#rockbox 2011-03-26

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#rockbox log for 2011-03-26

00:00:48	[Saint]	and I don't have a recording capable target remotely close by presently...
00:02:02	mystica555	uhh.. the only one ive got is the iriver h320; would ff/rw == left/right on the dpad?
00:02:17	[Saint]	YES.
00:02:20	mystica555	sec
00:02:22	[Saint]	sorry, caps.
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00:15:18	bluebroth3r	I've heard a quiet pop in the room after changing the USB charger on my Mini. Not sure what happened but could this be a failure of the battery? The battery menu shows a drop in voltage even with the charger connected
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00:16:09	bluebroth3r	there's no bad smell or anything visible. Voltage started going up after several seconds again
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00:19:16	[Saint]	sounds normal.
00:19:32	[Saint]	when I plug my charger into my Color the voltage drops, then climbs.
00:19:47	bluebroth3r	hmm, but what about that pop?
00:20:08	[Saint]	It could be a bad connection in the plug?
00:20:24	[Saint]	I've heard electrical outlets make similar noises to what you describe.
00:20:38	[Saint]	sorry "plug" may not mean the same thing to you.
00:20:43	[Saint]	"wall socket".
00:20:44	bluebroth3r	I heard that a while after I connected it. And I never experienced that before ...
00:20:52	[Saint]	Hmmmm.
00:20:59	[Saint]	No smell, at all?
00:21:07	bluebroth3r	that's what makes me a bit nervous
00:21:10	[Saint]	from the device, charger, or socket?
00:21:13	bluebroth3r	no smell at all
00:21:17	bluebroth3r	neither :)
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00:22:08	[Saint]	I'd be worried enough to open the thing personally...it's a mini so it's dangerous to do so though :/
00:22:24	[Saint]	unless you have a spare clickwheel ribbon.
00:22:33	[Saint]	or surgeons hands.
00:23:12	bluebroth3r	I had that mini open several times already, so I don't worry too much about the procedure
00:24:50	[Saint]	I'd be looking for a bulging battery.
00:24:53	mystica555	[Saint]: sorry i got called away for a few mins.. i'm still runing 3.7 on my h320, would you need me to upgrade to a newer build for the test?
00:25:19	[Saint]	if the battery looks fine, then there's not much else to do...other than look at it cautiously for the next few weeks or so. ;)
00:25:30	mystica555	err i dunno what ver itd be.. revision 28763
00:25:32	bluebroth3r	battery looks completely normal
00:25:47	[Saint]	mystica555: nah, that'll be fine.
00:26:27	mystica555	on my end, i have a standard selection 'lightbar' thing, and whatever it highlights, right/left changes the option.. volume, gain, etc
00:27:01	mystica555	im going to have to take this apart again... theres something rattling around insied
00:27:16	[Saint]	mystica555: right...ok, thanks. So I'll leave them highlighted and active in the .sbs during recording then.
00:27:18	[Saint]	thankyou.
00:27:23	mystica555	no prob
00:28:55	[Saint]	I assume it'll be a while before RaaA has recording, but if I get onto this quickly enough I can get it to the touch target(s?) we have that do support recording.
00:29:15	[Saint]	and FM radio will be similar I think.
00:30:37	bluebroth3r	ok, Ipod reassembled and running again. Lost its time though. Let's see if the battery will continue to work properly
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01:37:49	mrgemini	I'm runing rockbox on a Sansa Fuse. How do I change it to default to the Sansa OS on startup?
01:38:18	Llorean	Modify and compile your own bootloader, that's not a standard option.
01:38:50	[Saint]	It's not for the faint hearted either though...
01:39:02	[Saint]	that is a step where bricking your device is indeed possible.
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01:42:25	mrgemini	im no stranger to code. although i haven't messed with rockbox at all. an ideas where i can get some info on modding my own bootloader?
01:42:31	[Saint]	If you're lucky, there might be a patch floating around that does this somewhere...but I wouldn't trust it to be in sync with current svn. And after patching it becomes difficult if you want to report an error, as it needs to be verified on a supported binary (ie. not modified)
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01:56:34	maznos	Hello
01:56:59	maznos	I need help
01:57:14	[Saint]	Sweet, well...ask a question.
01:57:21	[Saint]	If someone can help, they will.
01:57:39	maznos	I have an archos av380 and my brother installed AVOS firmware on it
01:58:05	maznos	the readme file stated that to recover I need to get http://rockbox.haxx.se/tools/descramble.exe
01:58:14	maznos	the file is not there anymore
01:58:22	maznos	can anyone help me get it
01:58:32	Llorean	What readme? Rockbox doesn't run on that device, and Rockbox's tools shouldn't have anything to do with it.
01:58:41	maznos	I know
01:58:51	[Saint]	If it's not Rockbox firmware, it's not supported here...that tool just happens to use a tool from the Rockbox SVN apparently.
01:59:00	maznos	my brother used AVOS on my archos
01:59:12	maznos	yes Saint
01:59:19	maznos	I need that tool
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01:59:33	[Saint]	It'll still be in the SVN.
01:59:48	[Saint]	though, it may well have changed considerably...who knows.
01:59:53	maznos	can you helpme get it
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02:00:24	maznos	i am in deep problem now
02:00:35	maznos	i need that file to solve it
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02:02:13	maznos	Saint, from where I can access the SVN
02:02:15	maznos	?
02:02:52	Llorean	maznos: Google SVN, and visit the Rockbox website.
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02:03:04	Llorean	Seriously though, this has nothing to do with Rockbox.
02:03:32	Llorean	If you're having problems with AVOS contact them, whatever it is.
02:03:37	maznos	I know Llorean, I am sorry to ask about it
02:03:56	maznos	but the tool is from rockbox
02:04:03	maznos	I thought I can get it here
02:04:12	gevaerts	Yes, you can get the rockbox source and compile it
02:04:44	[Saint]	sorry, I was away...yes, get svn for your OS, and checkout either our whole repo, or just the file you need. likely you'll need to build it, so you'll probably need the whole tools dir at least.
02:05:34	maznos	can you at least give me the first steps to do that
02:05:50	[Saint]	we have some docs on using svn. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingSVN
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02:06:02	maznos	I am a newbie and this issue ruin my whol laste week
02:06:34	maznos	Thanks Saint
02:06:41	maznos	I'll give it a try
02:06:42	gevaerts	maznos: I've put an UNTESTED build of it at http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/descramble.exe
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02:11:15	maznos	Thanks my friends
02:11:23	maznos	I got it working now
02:11:33	*	gevaerts removes that download again
02:11:48	maznos	gevaerts you are my hero
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02:13:06	[Saint]	we have a paypal ;)
02:13:22	mrgemini	is there a way to look at the rockbox file system from my PC?
02:14:42	Llorean	It's a file system. So.. through a file browser?
02:14:44	Llorean	What are you asking?
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02:18:02	mrgemini	When I plug in my Sansa through usb i just see the regular sansa folders
02:18:21	mrgemini	there is no rockbox folder
02:20:59	wtachi	mrgemini: it's named .rockbox, with a period, which means it's hidden in some OSes
02:21:02	Llorean	If it's in MSC mode, you may still need to set your browser to show hidden files as the folder's named ".rockbox" and some operating systems will hide that.
02:22:35	[Saint]	heh, remember what I mentioned earlier about the volume? something's definitely weird...the volume bar displays full at -60db
02:22:57	[Saint]	(it's keeps going up past "full" though)
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02:26:08	[Saint]	Hmmm, I can't seem to reproduce that volume bar weirdness again. bah.
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02:30:58	[Saint]	Hmmm....it's an edge case I admit, but...it doesn't seem to fit too well that you can't use the HW volume keys to change volume in the sound settings menu
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02:41:34	mshathlonxp	khm
02:42:00	mshathlonxp	when putting video on my 5G with gtkpod, it appears that it wasn't copied to hard drive...
02:43:36	Llorean	Does GTKPod even sync the file format of video Rockbox uses, since it's not supported in the Apple OS?
02:44:08	mshathlonxp	why rockbox format video? :)
02:44:29	Llorean	You're missing some words for me to know what you're asking.
02:44:43	mshathlonxp	rockbox format video I would copy without any "media managers"
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02:45:10	Llorean	So, why are you asking about it in #rockbox then?
02:45:26	mshathlonxp	wrong channel :D
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03:27:05	coop66	Hello everyone. I figured I'd stop by here to see if anyone else has had major issues with 3.8 on the 80gb iPod video? I've installed it several times, but each time I do I end up with one or many errors (depending on how long I use it before downgrading to 3.7.1).
03:28:40	coop66	I'm attempting to note what errors I've been getting and what I have done to cause some of them, but there are some I haven't managed to reproduce.
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03:29:37	coop66	So far I've had several memory read errors, a divide by zero error (that I haven't managed to reproduce, I just remember it had something to do with playlists), and I haven't managed to get the database to initialize properly at all since installing.
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06:26:12	PurlingNayuki	Hi everyone! How to use rockbox_browse()?
06:26:22	PurlingNayuki	Thanks
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06:27:46	yestin	guys
06:27:56	yestin	I'm in a sticky situation here
06:27:58	yestin	so
06:28:02	yestin	I have a macpod
06:28:06	yestin	(3G)
06:28:14	yestin	and no access to a windows computer
06:28:24	yestin	only a GNU/LINUX one and a Mac
06:28:53	yestin	I tried to just change the HFS partition to FAT
06:29:06	yestin	but I just ended up having to format it
06:29:10	yestin	and restore it
06:29:23	yestin	is there a way to make it a winpod?
06:29:25	krazykit	there's a wiki page for that
06:29:30	yestin	without itunes for windows?
06:29:49	krazykit	yes
06:29:59	krazykit	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodConversionToFAT32
06:30:23	krazykit	there's a link to the IpodManualRestore wiki page too
06:31:44	yestin	I have a 15 gig 3rd generation ipod
06:31:50	yestin	none of the tables match
06:39:46	yestin	krazykit
06:39:56	yestin	what should I do
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06:43:51	yestin	so
06:43:59	yestin	is there a way to do it on mine?
06:44:12	yestin	none of the partition tables on the wiki match my ipod
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06:49:46	yestin	krazykit:
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06:55:32	krazykit	yestin, i don't know. i guess find a friend with a windows computer?
06:58:21	yestin	I'm doing some crazy experimental stuff right now and things seem to be going to plan
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07:00:55	yestin	oh nuts
07:00:59	yestin	gonna restore again
07:01:04	yestin	with my mac
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07:14:02	yestin	krazykit: after some wacky partitioning experimentation, I got rockbox to work in a seemingly-flawless way!
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07:34:18	sevendeuce	Hello all does anyone know how to disabe usb storage mode on a sansa fuze? My end goal is to charge and play music at the same time.
07:36:37	Strife89	Hold down the Select (center) button while plugging in the Fuze (if it's already on).
07:38:00	sevendeuce	hmm tried that already didnt work :/
07:38:19	sevendeuce	thanks anyway
07:38:58	Strife89	It should work on any Rockboxed Fuze
07:39:05	Strife89	I do it all the time
07:39:28	sevendeuce	it probably has something to do with my car charger
07:39:43	Strife89	You may need to continue holding the button for a few seconds after connecting the cable
07:39:43	sevendeuce	i just verified it on my mac so :/
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16:43:46	gevaerts	AlexP: did you manage to keep a clear view of issues in 3.8?
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17:22:42	AlexP	gevaerts: I'm planning to have a look this evening
17:23:42	gevaerts	Sounds like a useful plan :)
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18:20:13	bertrik	I wonder about the sequence when changing an sd card into 4-bit mode: we send ACMD6 (set bus width) first, then ACMD42 (set_clr_card_detect) and only then change the sd controller into 4-bit mode too. I'm surprised that ACMD42 even succeeds because at that point the card is in 4-bit mode and the controller is in 1-bit mode
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18:54:30	AlexP	gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/k3wxdeYn
18:54:44	AlexP	That's what has gone into the 3.8 branch since release
18:54:59	AlexP	I think it is enough for a 3.8.1, especially the PP ATA stuff
18:55:24	AlexP	I'll have a quick scan of the other commits and see if there is anything obvious that should be backported
18:55:54	gevaerts	Is r29641 enough to fix the AMS issues?
18:57:06	AlexP	I don't know
18:57:17	AlexP	I don't think I have one to test
18:57:24	AlexP	Oh, I have a fuse of some sort
18:57:32	AlexP	I'll have to see if I can find it :)
18:57:36	AlexP	*Fuze
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19:05:13	AlexP	r29507 should be backported I think?
19:05:55	AlexP	and r29508 by extension
19:05:56	u42p	29640 is hanging quite regularly on a sansaclip+ for me
19:06:09	u42p	just like the version i had on it before, ~2 weeks older
19:06:40	u42p	i always have to hold power for a long time so the force off happens
19:07:50	u42p	regularly as in: 2-3 times a day if i use the player a lot
19:08:06	u42p	not reproducable with certain tracks or anything like that
19:08:41	u42p	happens during playback. if the screen was on, the screen is frozen and no more sounds come. if the screen was off, the same with the screen staying off :)
19:10:11	AlexP	r29577 too?
19:11:48	gevaerts	AlexP: looks harmless enough
19:12:40	u42p	AlexP: pass me a link to a r29577 zip to install and i will give it a try over the next days
19:12:56	u42p	wait, you were not talking to me
19:13:09	AlexP	r29644?
19:13:13	AlexP	u42p: No, sorry :)
19:13:19	u42p	:)
19:13:38	gevaerts	u42p: is the filesystem clean?
19:13:47	AlexP	that's it I think
19:14:03	AlexP	gevaerts: Which suggestion was the harmless to? :)
19:14:12	gevaerts	AlexP: the upside down one
19:14:20	gevaerts	Oh, and the resistor help one too
19:14:46	gevaerts	I'd guess the bookmark one should be fine as well, but that's more core-y
19:15:35	u42p	gevaerts: sdcard seem to be alright. no clue how to fsck the internal memory
19:17:12	u42p	ooooh, my bricked clip+ just came back to life once again just asi was trying to open the case
19:17:25	u42p	now displays "ATA error: -2" "Press ON to debug"
19:17:30	*	u42p presses ON
19:17:52	u42p	haha, and then the case snapped back together and it was off again
19:18:37	gevaerts	u42p: what's different about fsck-ing the internal flash?
19:19:02	u42p	gevaerts: fdisk shows 4 unknown partitions for it. i dont know which ones to check with what fsck
19:19:43	gevaerts	u42p: are you sure it's partitioned?
19:20:44	u42p	fdisk -l : http://pastie.org/1718856
19:22:22	*	gevaerts nods
19:22:53	gevaerts	That does indeed look like no partition table being used
19:22:59	gevaerts	So check the entire device
19:23:22	u42p	vfat?
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19:23:42	gevaerts	I hope so
19:24:15	u42p	now i get the choice between 2 FAT. "FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?"
19:24:19	u42p	1 or 2
19:24:47	bertrik	flip a coin, or look into a crystal ball
19:25:28	u42p	http://pastie.org/1718874
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19:30:01	bertrik	no, he hasn't been online for quite some time
19:30:52	funman	i may have a bit of time tomorrow evening to work on amsv2 SD (only on fuzev2)
19:31:28	u42p	anyone with clip+ disassembly experience? i got the case open and the battery aside. trying to remove the electronice from the frontplate is hard, is the screen "glued" on? i already "opened" the one clamp on the side
19:31:39	funman	it seems to work correctly now, so there's only the problem that you saw: high speed
19:31:43	funman	u42p: yes it's glued
19:32:10	u42p	can i apply careful force to remove it or am i stuck now?
19:32:24	u42p	probably the same like the battery used?
19:32:35	bertrik	I'm seeing quite a few things that are not exactly wrong, but not completely correct either in the sd driver. Fixing them works for me, but I'm not completely sure it works for everyone.
19:32:37	funman	i'd unglue it gently with a knife
19:32:51	funman	bertrik: you could make a test build
19:33:11	funman	or commit things one by one every week and wait for bug reports
19:34:12	u42p	ewwwrrcch, got it off
19:34:37	u42p	well, the screen is in the case but i got the electronic "off" it (cable is intact ;) )
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19:39:13	u42p	i think i asked it before but could not get a definitive answer: what exactly is the orig_image.bin on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick ? can i download it somewhere?
19:39:21	saratoga	does high speed matter? For me at least even the OF on the Clip+ can only write to the device at a couple MB/s
19:39:54	funman	saratoga: perhaps we can get a bit more off the battery (just a bertrik's theory for now)
19:40:08	saratoga	by not using it?
19:40:18	funman	yes
19:40:24	funman	u42p: the OF you download from Sandisk
19:40:36	saratoga	yeah basically i was thinking that it doesn't seem to really matter for whatever reason
19:40:40	funman	(unzipped)
19:42:00	u42p	funman: clppa.bin from http://mp3support.sandisk.com/firmware/clipplus/clipplus01.02.15.zip from http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Clip-Clip/Sansa-Clip-Firmware-Update-01-02-15/td-p/150227 ?
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20:04:41	bertrik	yes, clppa.bin is the file to write back
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20:11:13	saratoga	anyone familiar with the flac decoder around?
20:11:32	saratoga	if so could you look at FS #9186
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20:29:54	preglow	doesn't flack files keep a checksum?
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20:31:25	preglow	saratoga: looks like a simple out of bounds check per sample, not fault proof and won't exactly do wonders for performance
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20:51:53	u42p	bertrik: alright, thank you!
20:52:44	CIA-2	New commit by bertrik (r29647): AMSv2 SD: sd card communication speed can be changed back to full speed after CMD3 (SEND_RCA)
20:56:22	CIA-2	r29647 build result: All green
20:59:08	preglow	looks like the proper way would be slower anyway, at least on arm
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21:00:54	bertrik	u42p, I just used the tip of a screwdriver to keep it bridged through the boot process
21:01:27	u42p	ah, good idea. that should be easier to keep in place too
21:02:15	u42p	wish me luck
21:03:28	u42p	i see "Disk /dev/sde: 3965 MB, 3965190144 bytes"
21:03:52	u42p	is the " It should report a drive without partitions, with a size of 979.75MB (approximately, there is some 1000/1024 Bytes rounding" for another device?
21:04:30	bertrik	could be
21:05:00	u42p	hm no, i think it booted "normally". trying to "head" the device hangs.
21:05:13	bertrik	I remember a much smaller partition though, only about 32 MB, but I could be wrong
21:09:34	u42p	tried again, same 4gb device. this time i can access it though. currently dd-ing to my harddisk
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21:12:18	bertrik	u42p, this 4GB only appears when bridging the pins, or also without bridging the pins?
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21:13:58	u42p	the device is somewhat haunted. it randomly showed things in the past (will search for logs in a moment) but i did not try to plug it in without shortening today. i am not 100% sure i shortened properly, it is somewhat hard to feel
21:14:26	u42p	i did see a 4mb (iirc) device at some point in the past
21:19:17	saratoga	preglow: i tested and it gets roughly half a Mhz slower on the clip+
21:19:40	saratoga	UNLIKELY macros might help
21:19:44	saratoga	maybe you could comment in that task? i don't know much about flac
21:19:52	preglow	saratoga: i will throw in a comment
21:20:15	preglow	i know of one other solution that might or might not be faster depending on div speed and block size
21:20:24	u42p	http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110301#17:54:15 (no need to scroll further), http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110302#21:53:35 (no need to scroll further), http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110306#19:01:44
21:20:28	saratoga	also are all of those checks needed? seems like if hte file is corrupted then just checking once and a while might work
21:20:43	u42p	dumped ~600mb so far
21:21:00	u42p	i guess it is the normal 4gb internal memory
21:21:17	preglow	saratoga: it checks once each sample to see if the decoded sample exceeds the possibly dynamic range given the bit range
21:21:29	preglow	saratoga: so using that method you need all those checks
21:21:58	saratoga	hmm
21:22:05	bertrik	oh, I probably know now why the order of ACMD6 and ACMD42 does not seem to matter: 4-bit mode probably only applies to data transfers, not command transfers. This isn't exactly clear from the sd spec though.
21:22:12	saratoga	maybe just checking for positive excursions would be enough then
21:22:19	saratoga	and 2x as fast
21:22:52	preglow	usually it would
21:23:12	preglow	it basically assumes the filter has gone unstable and explodes, spreading values randomly around
21:23:18	saratoga	yeah
21:23:25	preglow	thanks to overflow
21:23:43	saratoga	well in that case why do we need to check all those different cases like in decode_subframe_lpc, fixed, etc
21:23:43	preglow	another scheme would be converting the lpc coefs to reflection coefs, and checking if any of those exceeds +/-
21:23:48	saratoga	couldn't we just check some of them
21:23:51	preglow	that can be done once, for each block, outside the inner loop
21:24:04	preglow	but it involves divides
21:24:21	preglow	+/- 1, btw
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21:25:05	preglow	saratoga: i wouldn't recommend just checking some, that would mean another branch just to pick out every nth sample, and introduces the random possibility of letting unstable blocks through
21:25:25	saratoga	ok
21:27:52	preglow	i would go for the reflection coef method if it turns out to be fast enough
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21:51:55	bertrik	funman, we aren't using 4-bit mode for the sd in the bootloader, do you remember why?
21:57:46	u42p	i/o error after i dumped ~2gb
21:59:31	u42p	whatever i dumped looks rather different from the 4gb device my working clip+ has, if i hexdump it's head
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22:00:26	u42p	it looks a lot like clppa.bin (the OF image)
22:01:57	AlexP	gevaerts: Any objection to me backporting r29507 and r29508 ?
22:02:01	bertrik	the raw data contains the OF image at offset 0, with the user accessible disk data (file system etc.) starting at offset 30MB
22:03:33	u42p	looks like http://upurs.us/image/24877.jpeg
22:03:38	gevaerts	AlexP: it's not really my area. It looks like a suitable fix
22:04:00	AlexP	gevaerts: It is a pretty simple patch, if it works in trunk I can't see it being a problem here
22:04:33	bertrik	u42p, you could try dd-ing the OF image to offset 0
22:04:53	bertrik	to "refresh" the OF image in case it somehow got corrupted
22:04:53	preglow	saratoga: this patch is from a gsoc dude, yea?
22:05:09	u42p	bertrik: that would be simply dd straight to the device, yes?
22:05:14	bertrik	yes
22:05:19	u42p	ok
22:05:26	saratoga	preglow: yeah
22:05:36	saratoga	he said he was interested in codecs, although not much more
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22:05:59	AlexP	except the file seems to have been played with since then; I can find the section but it isn't where it was
22:09:33	preglow	saratoga: i'll just post my thoughts in the fs entry, then, and see what he makes of it
22:10:38	saratoga	thanks
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22:12:18	CIA-2	New commit by bertrik (r29648): AMSv2 SD: reorganise code to select 4-bit mode data transfer mode a bit and add comments
22:13:29	AlexP	gevaerts: ah, it seems to have been reverted in r29555 anyway
22:14:08	CIA-2	New commit by alex (r29649): Backport r29577 to the 3.8 branch - Fix FS #11894 - Sansa Clip+ Volume Buttons don't switch when Upside Down is activated
22:14:16	CIA-2	New commit by alex (r29650): Backport r29644 to the 3.8 branch - Fix error in Ohm's law formula as provided in FS #12023. Thanks to Leif Andersen.
22:15:39	u42p	woooooot, "refreshing your media"
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22:16:02	CIA-2	r29648 build result: All green
22:18:51	u42p	hm, still refreshing
22:19:42	preglow	saratoga: will probably fly over the head of anyone not well aquinted with dps, we'll see, doesn't hurt :>
22:19:47	preglow	dsp
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22:22:36	CIA-2	New commit by bertrik (r29651): AMSv2 SD: wait for response to command SD_STOP_TRANSMISSION instead of ignoring the response
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22:25:50	CIA-2	r29651 build result: All green
22:27:50	u42p	hm, now i am getting the "4mb" device
22:27:59	u42p	(simply connected to usb)
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22:39:39	u42p	whatever i try now, i always get 4mb. probably ram, it is always slightly different. enough for today. one hopefully last attempt tomorrow
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22:51:32	bertrik	interesting thought that it could be RAM
22:57:33	amiconn	bertrik: Iirc commands are always using one data line only, even in 4 bit mode. Only data is transferred across all 4 data lines
22:59:22	bertrik	yes, I realise that now, commands are transferred over the 1-bit CMD line
22:59:52	amiconn	preglow: Did you get any result wrt a better resampler out of thse test recordings?
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23:49:02	FlynDice	bertrik: re: ams SD, The way I remember the thinking on HS was that If we got the data to transfer quicker the controller would be active for a shorter period since we were unclocking it unless a tranfer was going on. I don't remember if anyone benched that though.
23:49:30	FlynDice	I beleive you figured out that the command line and data lines are separate....
23:51:39	FlynDice	4 bit bus wasn't in the bootloader because it's really not necessary and 1 bit bus is simpler.
23:53:38	bertrik	FlynDice, I'm inclined to just remove the part that switches the card in high-speed mode. It's only half done, since it only switches the card into high-speed, not the sd card controller.
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23:54:22	bertrik	To do high-speed properly, we'd also have to clock the entire sd controller differently and actually handle the data phase from CMD6 (switch to high speed)
23:55:13	FlynDice	I can't remember but I thought the controller switched automatically.... I'm really out of touch with this now though...
23:55:59	bertrik	And we don't really need the high-speed mode, since we're already doing 4-bit transfers (unlike AMSv1 which does high-speed in 1-bit mode)
23:57:10	bertrik	The sd controller does indeed synchronise sd speed changes on command boundaries, but does not automatically switch to a higher speed as far as I can tell.
23:57:52	bertrik	I've found documentation about the sd controller by the way, this controller is described in the user manual of the NXP LPC3100 range of microcontrollers.

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