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#rockbox log for 2011-03-26

00:00:48[Saint]and I don't have a recording capable target remotely close by presently...
00:02:02mystica555uhh.. the only one ive got is the iriver h320; would ff/rw == left/right on the dpad?
00:02:22[Saint]sorry, caps.
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00:15:18bluebroth3rI've heard a quiet pop in the room after changing the USB charger on my Mini. Not sure what happened but could this be a failure of the battery? The battery menu shows a drop in voltage even with the charger connected
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00:16:09bluebroth3rthere's no bad smell or anything visible. Voltage started going up after several seconds again
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00:19:16[Saint]sounds normal.
00:19:32[Saint]when I plug my charger into my Color the voltage drops, then climbs.
00:19:47bluebroth3rhmm, but what about that pop?
00:20:08[Saint]It could be a bad connection in the plug?
00:20:24[Saint]I've heard electrical outlets make similar noises to what you describe.
00:20:38[Saint]sorry "plug" may not mean the same thing to you.
00:20:43[Saint]"wall socket".
00:20:44bluebroth3rI heard that a while after I connected it. And I never experienced that before ...
00:20:59[Saint]No smell, at all?
00:21:07bluebroth3rthat's what makes me a bit nervous
00:21:10[Saint]from the device, charger, or socket?
00:21:13bluebroth3rno smell at all
00:21:17bluebroth3rneither :)
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00:22:08[Saint]I'd be worried enough to open the thing's a mini so it's dangerous to do so though :/
00:22:24[Saint]unless you have a spare clickwheel ribbon.
00:22:33[Saint]or surgeons hands.
00:23:12bluebroth3rI had that mini open several times already, so I don't worry too much about the procedure
00:24:50[Saint]I'd be looking for a bulging battery.
00:24:53mystica555[Saint]: sorry i got called away for a few mins.. i'm still runing 3.7 on my h320, would you need me to upgrade to a newer build for the test?
00:25:19[Saint]if the battery looks fine, then there's not much else to do...other than look at it cautiously for the next few weeks or so. ;)
00:25:30mystica555err i dunno what ver itd be.. revision 28763
00:25:32bluebroth3rbattery looks completely normal
00:25:47[Saint]mystica555: nah, that'll be fine.
00:26:27mystica555on my end, i have a standard selection 'lightbar' thing, and whatever it highlights, right/left changes the option.. volume, gain, etc
00:27:01mystica555im going to have to take this apart again... theres something rattling around insied
00:27:16[Saint]mystica555: right...ok, thanks. So I'll leave them highlighted and active in the .sbs during recording then.
00:27:23mystica555no prob
00:28:55[Saint]I assume it'll be a while before RaaA has recording, but if I get onto this quickly enough I can get it to the touch target(s?) we have that do support recording.
00:29:15[Saint]and FM radio will be similar I think.
00:30:37bluebroth3rok, Ipod reassembled and running again. Lost its time though. Let's see if the battery will continue to work properly
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01:37:49mrgeminiI'm runing rockbox on a Sansa Fuse. How do I change it to default to the Sansa OS on startup?
01:38:18LloreanModify and compile your own bootloader, that's not a standard option.
01:38:50[Saint]It's not for the faint hearted either though...
01:39:02[Saint]that is a step where bricking your device is indeed possible.
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01:42:25mrgeminiim no stranger to code. although i haven't messed with rockbox at all. an ideas where i can get some info on modding my own bootloader?
01:42:31[Saint]If you're lucky, there might be a patch floating around that does this somewhere...but I wouldn't trust it to be in sync with current svn. And after patching it becomes difficult if you want to report an error, as it needs to be verified on a supported binary (ie. not modified)
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01:56:59maznosI need help
01:57:14[Saint]Sweet, well...ask a question.
01:57:21[Saint]If someone can help, they will.
01:57:39maznosI have an archos av380 and my brother installed AVOS firmware on it
01:58:05maznosthe readme file stated that to recover I need to get
01:58:14maznosthe file is not there anymore
01:58:22maznoscan anyone help me get it
01:58:32LloreanWhat readme? Rockbox doesn't run on that device, and Rockbox's tools shouldn't have anything to do with it.
01:58:41maznosI know
01:58:51[Saint]If it's not Rockbox firmware, it's not supported here...that tool just happens to use a tool from the Rockbox SVN apparently.
01:59:00maznosmy brother used AVOS on my archos
01:59:12maznosyes Saint
01:59:19maznosI need that tool
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01:59:33[Saint]It'll still be in the SVN.
01:59:48[Saint]though, it may well have changed considerably...who knows.
01:59:53maznoscan you helpme get it
02:00:24maznosi am in deep problem now
02:00:35maznosi need that file to solve it
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02:02:13maznosSaint, from where I can access the SVN
02:02:52Lloreanmaznos: Google SVN, and visit the Rockbox website.
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02:03:04LloreanSeriously though, this has nothing to do with Rockbox.
02:03:32LloreanIf you're having problems with AVOS contact them, whatever it is.
02:03:37maznosI know Llorean, I am sorry to ask about it
02:03:56maznosbut the tool is from rockbox
02:04:03maznosI thought I can get it here
02:04:12gevaertsYes, you can get the rockbox source and compile it
02:04:44[Saint]sorry, I was away...yes, get svn for your OS, and checkout either our whole repo, or just the file you need. likely you'll need to build it, so you'll probably need the whole tools dir at least.
02:05:34maznoscan you at least give me the first steps to do that
02:05:50[Saint]we have some docs on using svn.
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02:06:02maznosI am a newbie and this issue ruin my whol laste week
02:06:34maznosThanks Saint
02:06:41maznosI'll give it a try
02:06:42gevaertsmaznos: I've put an UNTESTED build of it at gevaerts/descramble.exe">
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02:11:15maznosThanks my friends
02:11:23maznosI got it working now
02:11:33*gevaerts removes that download again
02:11:48maznosgevaerts you are my hero
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02:13:06[Saint]we have a paypal ;)
02:13:22mrgeminiis there a way to look at the rockbox file system from my PC?
02:14:42LloreanIt's a file system. So.. through a file browser?
02:14:44LloreanWhat are you asking?
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02:18:02mrgeminiWhen I plug in my Sansa through usb i just see the regular sansa folders
02:18:21mrgeminithere is no rockbox folder
02:20:59wtachimrgemini: it's named .rockbox, with a period, which means it's hidden in some OSes
02:21:02LloreanIf it's in MSC mode, you may still need to set your browser to show hidden files as the folder's named ".rockbox" and some operating systems will hide that.
02:22:35[Saint]heh, remember what I mentioned earlier about the volume? something's definitely weird...the volume bar displays full at -60db
02:22:57[Saint](it's keeps going up past "full" though)
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02:26:08[Saint]Hmmm, I can't seem to reproduce that volume bar weirdness again. bah.
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02:30:58[Saint]'s an edge case I admit, doesn't seem to fit too well that you can't use the HW volume keys to change volume in the sound settings menu
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02:42:00mshathlonxpwhen putting video on my 5G with gtkpod, it appears that it wasn't copied to hard drive...
02:43:36LloreanDoes GTKPod even sync the file format of video Rockbox uses, since it's not supported in the Apple OS?
02:44:08mshathlonxpwhy rockbox format video? :)
02:44:29LloreanYou're missing some words for me to know what you're asking.
02:44:43mshathlonxprockbox format video I would copy without any "media managers"
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02:45:10LloreanSo, why are you asking about it in #rockbox then?
02:45:26mshathlonxpwrong channel :D
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03:27:05coop66Hello everyone. I figured I'd stop by here to see if anyone else has had major issues with 3.8 on the 80gb iPod video? I've installed it several times, but each time I do I end up with one or many errors (depending on how long I use it before downgrading to 3.7.1).
03:28:40coop66I'm attempting to note what errors I've been getting and what I have done to cause some of them, but there are some I haven't managed to reproduce.
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03:29:37coop66So far I've had several memory read errors, a divide by zero error (that I haven't managed to reproduce, I just remember it had something to do with playlists), and I haven't managed to get the database to initialize properly at all since installing.
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06:26:12PurlingNayukiHi everyone! How to use rockbox_browse()?
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06:27:56yestinI'm in a sticky situation here
06:28:02yestinI have a macpod
06:28:14yestinand no access to a windows computer
06:28:24yestinonly a GNU/LINUX one and a Mac
06:28:53yestinI tried to just change the HFS partition to FAT
06:29:06yestinbut I just ended up having to format it
06:29:10yestinand restore it
06:29:23yestinis there a way to make it a winpod?
06:29:25krazykitthere's a wiki page for that
06:29:30yestinwithout itunes for windows?
06:30:23krazykitthere's a link to the IpodManualRestore wiki page too
06:31:44yestinI have a 15 gig 3rd generation ipod
06:31:50yestinnone of the tables match
06:39:56yestinwhat should I do
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06:43:59yestinis there a way to do it on mine?
06:44:12yestinnone of the partition tables on the wiki match my ipod
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06:55:32krazykityestin, i don't know. i guess find a friend with a windows computer?
06:58:21yestinI'm doing some crazy experimental stuff right now and things seem to be going to plan
07:00:55yestinoh nuts
07:00:59yestingonna restore again
07:01:04yestinwith my mac
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07:14:02yestinkrazykit: after some wacky partitioning experimentation, I got rockbox to work in a seemingly-flawless way!
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07:34:18sevendeuceHello all does anyone know how to disabe usb storage mode on a sansa fuze? My end goal is to charge and play music at the same time.
07:36:37Strife89Hold down the Select (center) button while plugging in the Fuze (if it's already on).
07:38:00sevendeucehmm tried that already didnt work :/
07:38:19sevendeucethanks anyway
07:38:58Strife89It should work on any Rockboxed Fuze
07:39:05Strife89I do it all the time
07:39:28sevendeuceit probably has something to do with my car charger
07:39:43Strife89You may need to continue holding the button for a few seconds after connecting the cable
07:39:43sevendeucei just verified it on my mac so :/
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11:14:18bertriksideral, just a thought: on AMSv2 we always try put the sd card into high speed mode, this may increase the max current consumption of the sd card (it may try to drive the data lines harder, with more current) to reach the higher speed. The increased max. sd card current may be become audible in the audio signal.
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14:12:28CIA-2New commit by roolku (r29646): use correct define for gigabeat fx to enable lineout (was broken in r29588)
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16:21:05mshathlonxpcan anyone please point me at lang files?
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16:43:46gevaertsAlexP: did you manage to keep a clear view of issues in 3.8?
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17:18:38manotrollto a bug in he did not start the md5 error
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17:22:42AlexPgevaerts: I'm planning to have a look this evening
17:23:42gevaertsSounds like a useful plan :)
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18:20:13bertrikI wonder about the sequence when changing an sd card into 4-bit mode: we send ACMD6 (set bus width) first, then ACMD42 (set_clr_card_detect) and only then change the sd controller into 4-bit mode too. I'm surprised that ACMD42 even succeeds because at that point the card is in 4-bit mode and the controller is in 1-bit mode
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18:54:44AlexPThat's what has gone into the 3.8 branch since release
18:54:59AlexPI think it is enough for a 3.8.1, especially the PP ATA stuff
18:55:24AlexPI'll have a quick scan of the other commits and see if there is anything obvious that should be backported
18:55:54gevaertsIs r29641 enough to fix the AMS issues?
18:57:06AlexPI don't know
18:57:17AlexPI don't think I have one to test
18:57:24AlexPOh, I have a fuse of some sort
18:57:32AlexPI'll have to see if I can find it :)
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19:05:13AlexPr29507 should be backported I think?
19:05:55AlexPand r29508 by extension
19:05:56u42p29640 is hanging quite regularly on a sansaclip+ for me
19:06:09u42pjust like the version i had on it before, ~2 weeks older
19:06:40u42pi always have to hold power for a long time so the force off happens
19:07:50u42pregularly as in: 2-3 times a day if i use the player a lot
19:08:06u42pnot reproducable with certain tracks or anything like that
19:08:41u42phappens during playback. if the screen was on, the screen is frozen and no more sounds come. if the screen was off, the same with the screen staying off :)
19:10:11AlexPr29577 too?
19:11:48gevaertsAlexP: looks harmless enough
19:12:40u42pAlexP: pass me a link to a r29577 zip to install and i will give it a try over the next days
19:12:56u42pwait, you were not talking to me
19:13:13AlexPu42p: No, sorry :)
19:13:38gevaertsu42p: is the filesystem clean?
19:13:47AlexPthat's it I think
19:14:03AlexPgevaerts: Which suggestion was the harmless to? :)
19:14:12gevaertsAlexP: the upside down one
19:14:20gevaertsOh, and the resistor help one too
19:14:46gevaertsI'd guess the bookmark one should be fine as well, but that's more core-y
19:15:35u42pgevaerts: sdcard seem to be alright. no clue how to fsck the internal memory
19:17:12u42pooooh, my bricked clip+ just came back to life once again just asi was trying to open the case
19:17:25u42pnow displays "ATA error: -2" "Press ON to debug"
19:17:30*u42p presses ON
19:17:52u42phaha, and then the case snapped back together and it was off again
19:18:37gevaertsu42p: what's different about fsck-ing the internal flash?
19:19:02u42pgevaerts: fdisk shows 4 unknown partitions for it. i dont know which ones to check with what fsck
19:19:43gevaertsu42p: are you sure it's partitioned?
19:20:44u42pfdisk -l :
19:22:22*gevaerts nods
19:22:53gevaertsThat does indeed look like no partition table being used
19:22:59gevaertsSo check the entire device
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19:23:42gevaertsI hope so
19:24:15u42pnow i get the choice between 2 FAT. "FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?"
19:24:19u42p1 or 2
19:24:47bertrikflip a coin, or look into a crystal ball
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19:29:40funmanbertrik: no news from flyndice?
19:30:01bertrikno, he hasn't been online for quite some time
19:30:52funmani may have a bit of time tomorrow evening to work on amsv2 SD (only on fuzev2)
19:31:28u42panyone with clip+ disassembly experience? i got the case open and the battery aside. trying to remove the electronice from the frontplate is hard, is the screen "glued" on? i already "opened" the one clamp on the side
19:31:39funmanit seems to work correctly now, so there's only the problem that you saw: high speed
19:31:43funmanu42p: yes it's glued
19:32:10u42pcan i apply careful force to remove it or am i stuck now?
19:32:24u42pprobably the same like the battery used?
19:32:35bertrikI'm seeing quite a few things that are not exactly wrong, but not completely correct either in the sd driver. Fixing them works for me, but I'm not completely sure it works for everyone.
19:32:37funmani'd unglue it gently with a knife
19:32:51funmanbertrik: you could make a test build
19:33:11funmanor commit things one by one every week and wait for bug reports
19:34:12u42pewwwrrcch, got it off
19:34:37u42pwell, the screen is in the case but i got the electronic "off" it (cable is intact ;) )
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19:39:13u42pi think i asked it before but could not get a definitive answer: what exactly is the orig_image.bin on ? can i download it somewhere?
19:39:21saratogadoes high speed matter? For me at least even the OF on the Clip+ can only write to the device at a couple MB/s
19:39:54funmansaratoga: perhaps we can get a bit more off the battery (just a bertrik's theory for now)
19:40:08saratogaby not using it?
19:40:18funman yes
19:40:24funmanu42p: the OF you download from Sandisk
19:40:36saratogayeah basically i was thinking that it doesn't seem to really matter for whatever reason
19:42:00u42pfunman: clppa.bin from from ?
19:45:36u42pgotta go shopping, back in an hour
20:04:41bertrikyes, clppa.bin is the file to write back
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20:11:13saratogaanyone familiar with the flac decoder around?
20:11:32saratogaif so could you look at FS #9186
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20:29:54preglowdoesn't flack files keep a checksum?
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20:31:25preglowsaratoga: looks like a simple out of bounds check per sample, not fault proof and won't exactly do wonders for performance
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20:38:59preglowi believe there's a better way to ensure stability in lpc encoded coefs, i'll check it out
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20:51:53u42pbertrik: alright, thank you!
20:52:44CIA-2New commit by bertrik (r29647): AMSv2 SD: sd card communication speed can be changed back to full speed after CMD3 (SEND_RCA)
20:56:22CIA-2r29647 build result: All green
20:59:08preglowlooks like the proper way would be slower anyway, at least on arm
21:00:01u42presuming . i now have to bridge the pins. will a tiny piece of copper wire do? i'd say it is about 0.5mm thick or a bit less
21:00:54bertriku42p, I just used the tip of a screwdriver to keep it bridged through the boot process
21:01:27u42pah, good idea. that should be easier to keep in place too
21:02:15u42pwish me luck
21:03:28u42pi see "Disk /dev/sde: 3965 MB, 3965190144 bytes"
21:03:52u42pis the " It should report a drive without partitions, with a size of 979.75MB (approximately, there is some 1000/1024 Bytes rounding" for another device?
21:04:30bertrikcould be
21:05:00u42phm no, i think it booted "normally". trying to "head" the device hangs.
21:05:13bertrikI remember a much smaller partition though, only about 32 MB, but I could be wrong
21:09:34u42ptried again, same 4gb device. this time i can access it though. currently dd-ing to my harddisk
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21:12:18bertriku42p, this 4GB only appears when bridging the pins, or also without bridging the pins?
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21:13:58u42pthe device is somewhat haunted. it randomly showed things in the past (will search for logs in a moment) but i did not try to plug it in without shortening today. i am not 100% sure i shortened properly, it is somewhat hard to feel
21:14:26u42pi did see a 4mb (iirc) device at some point in the past
21:19:17saratogapreglow: i tested and it gets roughly half a Mhz slower on the clip+
21:19:40saratogaUNLIKELY macros might help
21:19:44saratogamaybe you could comment in that task? i don't know much about flac
21:19:52preglowsaratoga: i will throw in a comment
21:20:15preglowi know of one other solution that might or might not be faster depending on div speed and block size
21:20:24u42p (no need to scroll further), (no need to scroll further),
21:20:28saratogaalso are all of those checks needed? seems like if hte file is corrupted then just checking once and a while might work
21:20:43u42pdumped ~600mb so far
21:21:00u42pi guess it is the normal 4gb internal memory
21:21:17preglowsaratoga: it checks once each sample to see if the decoded sample exceeds the possibly dynamic range given the bit range
21:21:29preglowsaratoga: so using that method you need all those checks
21:22:05bertrikoh, I probably know now why the order of ACMD6 and ACMD42 does not seem to matter: 4-bit mode probably only applies to data transfers, not command transfers. This isn't exactly clear from the sd spec though.
21:22:12saratogamaybe just checking for positive excursions would be enough then
21:22:19saratogaand 2x as fast
21:22:52preglowusually it would
21:23:12preglowit basically assumes the filter has gone unstable and explodes, spreading values randomly around
21:23:25preglowthanks to overflow
21:23:43saratogawell in that case why do we need to check all those different cases like in decode_subframe_lpc, fixed, etc
21:23:43preglowanother scheme would be converting the lpc coefs to reflection coefs, and checking if any of those exceeds +/-
21:23:48saratogacouldn't we just check some of them
21:23:51preglowthat can be done once, for each block, outside the inner loop
21:24:04preglowbut it involves divides
21:24:21preglow+/- 1, btw
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21:25:05preglowsaratoga: i wouldn't recommend just checking some, that would mean another branch just to pick out every nth sample, and introduces the random possibility of letting unstable blocks through
21:27:52preglowi would go for the reflection coef method if it turns out to be fast enough
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21:51:55bertrikfunman, we aren't using 4-bit mode for the sd in the bootloader, do you remember why?
21:57:46u42pi/o error after i dumped ~2gb
21:59:31u42pwhatever i dumped looks rather different from the 4gb device my working clip+ has, if i hexdump it's head
22:00:26u42pit looks a lot like clppa.bin (the OF image)
22:01:57AlexPgevaerts: Any objection to me backporting r29507 and r29508 ?
22:02:01bertrikthe raw data contains the OF image at offset 0, with the user accessible disk data (file system etc.) starting at offset 30MB
22:03:33u42plooks like
22:03:38gevaertsAlexP: it's not really my area. It looks like a suitable fix
22:04:00AlexPgevaerts: It is a pretty simple patch, if it works in trunk I can't see it being a problem here
22:04:33bertriku42p, you could try dd-ing the OF image to offset 0
22:04:53bertrikto "refresh" the OF image in case it somehow got corrupted
22:04:53preglowsaratoga: this patch is from a gsoc dude, yea?
22:05:09u42pbertrik: that would be simply dd straight to the device, yes?
22:05:26saratogapreglow: yeah
22:05:36saratogahe said he was interested in codecs, although not much more
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22:05:59AlexPexcept the file seems to have been played with since then; I can find the section but it isn't where it was
22:09:33preglowsaratoga: i'll just post my thoughts in the fs entry, then, and see what he makes of it
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22:12:18CIA-2New commit by bertrik (r29648): AMSv2 SD: reorganise code to select 4-bit mode data transfer mode a bit and add comments
22:13:29AlexPgevaerts: ah, it seems to have been reverted in r29555 anyway
22:14:08CIA-2New commit by alex (r29649): Backport r29577 to the 3.8 branch - Fix FS #11894 - Sansa Clip+ Volume Buttons don't switch when Upside Down is activated
22:14:16CIA-2New commit by alex (r29650): Backport r29644 to the 3.8 branch - Fix error in Ohm's law formula as provided in FS #12023. Thanks to Leif Andersen.
22:15:39u42pwoooooot, "refreshing your media"
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22:16:02CIA-2r29648 build result: All green
22:18:51u42phm, still refreshing
22:19:42preglowsaratoga: will probably fly over the head of anyone not well aquinted with dps, we'll see, doesn't hurt :>
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22:25:50CIA-2r29651 build result: All green
22:27:50u42phm, now i am getting the "4mb" device
22:27:59u42p(simply connected to usb)
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22:39:39u42pwhatever i try now, i always get 4mb. probably ram, it is always slightly different. enough for today. one hopefully last attempt tomorrow
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22:51:32bertrikinteresting thought that it could be RAM
22:57:33amiconnbertrik: Iirc commands are always using one data line only, even in 4 bit mode. Only data is transferred across all 4 data lines
22:59:22bertrikyes, I realise that now, commands are transferred over the 1-bit CMD line
22:59:52amiconnpreglow: Did you get any result wrt a better resampler out of thse test recordings?
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23:49:02FlynDicebertrik: re: ams SD, The way I remember the thinking on HS was that If we got the data to transfer quicker the controller would be active for a shorter period since we were unclocking it unless a tranfer was going on. I don't remember if anyone benched that though.
23:49:30FlynDiceI beleive you figured out that the command line and data lines are separate....
23:51:39FlynDice4 bit bus wasn't in the bootloader because it's really not necessary and 1 bit bus is simpler.
23:53:38bertrikFlynDice, I'm inclined to just remove the part that switches the card in high-speed mode. It's only half done, since it only switches the card into high-speed, not the sd card controller.
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23:54:22bertrikTo do high-speed properly, we'd also have to clock the entire sd controller differently and actually handle the data phase from CMD6 (switch to high speed)
23:55:13FlynDiceI can't remember but I thought the controller switched automatically.... I'm really out of touch with this now though...
23:55:59bertrikAnd we don't *really* need the high-speed mode, since we're already doing 4-bit transfers (unlike AMSv1 which does high-speed in 1-bit mode)
23:57:10bertrikThe sd controller does indeed synchronise sd speed changes on command boundaries, but does not automatically switch to a higher speed as far as I can tell.
23:57:52bertrikI've found documentation about the sd controller by the way, this controller is described in the user manual of the NXP LPC3100 range of microcontrollers.

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