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#rockbox log for 2011-03-30

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00:55:32Hindu_Ah I suppose , my net conn. went off , sry for that
00:56:47Hindu_Yeah , I was saying that I understand the kind of work involved , thats why I am constantly struck with this project
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01:00:55HinduAnyways , thanks stripwax for your suggestions . I shall certainly follow them. :0
01:02:21stripwaxany time
01:02:23stripwaxhappy to help!
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03:44:57saratogascorche: ban cenfdavuj
03:54:01L-Strife89timccc: If you're going to format your iPod's disk, DEFINITELY follow IpodManualRestore.
03:54:09krazykittimccc, the easiest thing to do would be to install the new hard drive and let itunes take care of reformatting
03:54:23L-Strife89krazykit: He is on Ubuntu
03:54:45krazykitthat doesn't make my statement any less wrong ;)
03:55:00krazykitit just means timccc uses the manual restore or finds a friend
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04:07:38timcccso sends me to but felix's device lookup thing doesn't work. i know i need either 5.5 or 5(13) or 5(20)
04:10:54saratogawhy can't you use the 5.5?
04:11:37timcccis it correct for an ipod video 60gb?
04:12:24saratogais it a 5.5?
04:13:19timccc! thats my question
04:14:10saratogawell i can't tell you what ipod you have
04:14:17timccci mentioned it here because links to a place that claims to have the answer, but doesn't
04:15:25saratogadid you try apple's support page? i think they have an article explaining what each ipod is
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04:16:29oldbushieI'm trying to compile the Android port under Cygwin but I keep getting error messages about a missing arm-linux-androideabi-gcc
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04:17:04JdGordondidnt it warn you about missing the NDK?
04:17:21oldbushieI had tried running but although it downloaded and extracted the sdk and ndk correctly, it failed with a weird Java error afterwards
04:17:36oldbushieit said that sdk and ndk were present I think
04:18:07JdGordoni doubt that script would work with cygwin
04:18:47oldbushiewell, at least I *have* the sdk and ndk now, so I thought as long as I ran ../tools/configure && make -j3 with the right paths set I would be fine
04:18:55oldbushieand I did confirm that those environment variables got set
04:19:10JdGordonif it cant find the compiler they havnt been set
04:20:16Strife89timccc: If it's a 60GB, it's probably a 5 (not 5.5)
04:20:39Strife89timccc: That would mean you want firmware 20.1.3
04:21:09timcccya, i got it now Strife89, thanks :D
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04:25:28oldbushiewell, CygWin's being an utter pain...
04:25:45oldbushiedoes anyone have a recent build for Android? preferably 480x800
04:26:22oldbushieI don't have a full-fledged irc client though so a url would be much appreciated, thanks
04:27:40*JdGordon is feeling generous.. gimme a min
04:27:51timcccso the last step in IpodManualRestore tells me to 'mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdX2' but mkfs.vfat complains 'mkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing reserved sector'
04:27:52oldbushieheh, thanks :)
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04:31:44oldbushieawesome, thanks!
04:31:56oldbushiethat should tide me over until I manage to figure out what's screwing up cygwin
04:32:04oldbushieprobably have to dick around with the main PATH
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04:35:09oldbushiehm, the logo was all screwed up when it first started, wrong dimensions inserted maybe? it does run though :)
04:35:26oldbushiealso, <3 AndFTP, I have an FTP server on my home machine and it's so easy to move files around
04:35:33oldbushieI just got a smartphone for the first time Sunday
04:36:00JdGordonignore the logo issue, i didnt do a full rebuild from my patched version, it shoud have all the current bits though
04:36:09oldbushieah, gotcha
04:36:21oldbushieshould be enough at least to test if I can stream music to the phone
04:36:29oldbushieI have an edna mp3 server set up
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04:43:09oldbushieoh, and I think I found out the issue
04:43:21oldbushiethe bins that *do* exist are not executable under cygwin for some reason
04:43:27oldbushiethus why they're "not available"
04:43:45oldbushieI guess I need a different sdk+ndk version to get things working
04:46:46oldbushieoh, you know what??
04:46:52oldbushieI think this might be a 64 bit version of cygwin
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04:48:08[Saint]oldbushie: don't waste your time trying to build RaaA on CygWin
04:48:16oldbushieheh, ok
04:48:32[Saint]the lead developer of RaaA said a long time ago that it's probably not even possible.
04:49:13[Saint]Someone looked into it a while back, and there was a patch...but that was a *long* time ago and a lots changed since then.
04:49:29[Saint]I couldn't even get it to build on CygWin when it *was* supposed to work ;)
04:49:29oldbushieso, I'm better off just using virtualbox then
04:49:40oldbushiewhich is fine, I do have a Linux vm already
04:52:27oldbushiecygwin is a pain in the arse anyways
04:54:29[Saint]If you don't use it for anything else specifically, it's a bit painful to set up for this sole purpose.
04:55:03oldbushiewell, I had already used it for something before, namely a font editing program, but yeah
04:55:15oldbushieI should just stick with a vm for anything linux related from now on
04:55:25oldbushiecygwin is slow as balls
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04:57:09oldbushiehm, it's not playing m3u files
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05:15:46oldbushieman, I haven't started this vm in ages
05:15:52oldbushiedoing a ton of updates
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06:15:22LeifSo, I'm just about ready to send my GSoC proposal. Did any of you have any of you who read it have any recommendations? (Too short, too long, not technical enough, etc.)?
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06:16:11DJeXeCuteI have a question will Ipod Classic ever be supported?
06:17:29JdGordondepends how long you wait
06:17:57LeifDJeXeCute, A quick search on the webpage:
06:18:31LeifMeh, actually, that's really old:
06:18:51Leif^^^May be more relevant^^^
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06:31:04[Saint]DJeXeCute: It's "supported" now.
06:31:19Leif[Saint], Cool. :)
06:31:37[Saint]It's classed as "unusable" (it's actually very usable), but it's still "supported".
06:31:54[Saint]As in, "there is a functional port, that works, and plays audio"
06:32:29[Saint]there is however, no dual-boot support, and until *very* recently installation was a bit of a PITA
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06:37:09DJeXeCuteOk so how do I go about doing this I tried to install EmCore but it need me to boot it into DFU mode and my Ipod Refuses
06:37:25[Saint]I assure you it doesn't.
06:37:31[Saint]you just won't be doing ti right.
06:38:02[Saint]if you plug in the dock connector, and hold menu+select for ~12+ seconds, it *will* go into DFU mode.
06:38:24DJeXeCuteIt does but then boots back into normal Ipod mode
06:38:40[Saint]you're releasing the key combination too quickly then.
06:39:25[Saint]you need to hold menu+select, the iPod will reboot, *keep holding menu+select*, the apple screen will show, *keep holding it*, it will fade to black, *this* is DFU mode.
06:40:11DJeXeCuteIt says Found new Hardware DFU blah blah driver failed then reboots
06:40:36[Saint]are you pointing it to the driver whn it asks?
06:41:03DJeXeCuteOk tried the USB 3.0 PCI card and it worked
06:41:22DJeXeCuteMy Ipod now says UMSboot
06:41:35DJeXeCuteAnd something about a UBI file
06:44:29[Saint]DJeXeCute: follow that link, answer the questions, do what it says.
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06:45:02DJeXeCuteOk I got the File but I see no "UMSBoot" volume its just a blank drive no files or folders
06:45:16DJeXeCuteShould I drop it straight in
06:45:29[Saint]the volume label should be "UMSboot", and it should be 64MB
06:45:39DJeXeCuteOh nvm forget I asked that
06:45:53DJeXeCuteI clicked finish on drivers and it changed from Ipod to UMS
06:45:53[Saint]there's no directory called UMSboot, that's the volume label of the RAMdisk
06:49:39DJeXeCuteBooted into rockbox
06:50:06DJeXeCuteNow how do I get doom and gameboy emulators on it?
06:50:16DJeXeCuteThats why I bought this
06:51:11[Saint]they are already there, for rockboy (the gameboy/gameboy colour emu) you need to provide your own ROMs, and we can't talk about that here unless it's legal homebrew.
06:51:23[Saint]and for doom, you need to freedoom WAD from our extras page.
06:51:48DJeXeCuteThere nothing under Games apps or demos though there already on there?
06:52:05DJeXeCuteAnd I already have my roms pulled from cart
06:52:18[Saint]what? there's *nothing* under games apps or demos?
06:52:37DJeXeCuteYou can go any further then plugins
06:54:26[Saint]TheSeven: This sounds like your area of expertise...I'm not *that* clued up on how complete the Classic port is, but I assumed that plugins would "just work" from what's already there with the Video port. ^
06:54:59[Saint]DJeXeCute: TheSeven is the lead developer of that port, he's been pinged if he can answer he will, but you might have to idle here for a while.
06:55:58DJeXeCuteThats fine
06:56:33DJeXeCuteI just want to use this for music, movies, homebrew, and gameboy games thats all so I can wait
06:59:14DJeXeCuteOh theres no .rockbox directory
06:59:53DJeXeCuteIs there something I could just drop in like the video's .rockbox folder?
07:00:39[Saint]there's no .rockbox dir? What OS are you using?
07:01:15DJeXeCuteWindows XP but its my ipod that says it
07:01:25DJeXeCuteRockbock is giving me the no .rockbox error
07:01:58DJeXeCute"No .rockbox Directory" "Installation Incomplete"
07:02:24DJeXeCuteThats what it says when i try to play a song I dropped on it
07:02:49[Saint]has it been rebooted since the installation?
07:04:07*[Saint] shrugs
07:04:23[Saint]Sorry, this has definitely moved into TheSeven's feild of expertise ;)
07:05:07DJeXeCuteCrap how can i get it back to DFU to reformat it as a normal Ipod?
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07:06:25[Saint]Uninstallation is another reasonably tricky subject (it just got a lot easier, thanks to TheSeven's recent work), but it's almost certainly best to wait for him to confirm how to resotre the device.
07:06:47DJeXeCuteCrap I broke my brand new ipod
07:07:01[Saint]No, it's recoverable.
07:07:22DJeXeCuteYou sure?
07:07:29[Saint]You just need someone with more insight into it's inner workings than I.
07:07:52[Saint]And yes, anything past the Nano3G has DFU mode and can be recovered.
07:07:58DJeXeCuteI held down select and menu for 40 seconds and all it did was reboot into emCore
07:08:05[Saint](unless it's a serious HW error, which this is not)
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07:12:35DJeXeCuteI wish I would have looked into this more before buying the classic or I would have just got a ipod video and a 160gig replacement drive
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07:23:50*[Saint] wonders if any sweetheart has a "mute-bug free" (r29653+) RaaA build for 240x320 precompiled.
07:24:15[Saint]JdGordon: what's the state of your res-independant build?
07:24:54JdGordonfucked if I know... I didnt get any sort of answer last night, android is stopping me committing it
07:25:16*JdGordon can do a 240x320 for you
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07:25:41[Saint]when it's in, you could still specify a build at X res? or all .apk's become massive?
07:25:53[Saint]not that I mind the latter, I've got a lot of space left.
07:26:18JdGordonwhen its in plugins are excluded from the build which is why im hesitant
07:26:32JdGordonotherwise what ends up in the zip is up to whoever is making the zip
07:27:05[Saint]Ah...right. It's only random_folder_advance_config which is broken with symlinks, and coverflow
07:27:32[Saint]errr...pictureflow (don't sue, don't sue! ;))
07:27:38JdGordonand credits
07:27:57[Saint]ah, yeah...credits is one that matters if it's borked I guess.
07:28:19[Saint]thanks for the build
07:29:12JdGordonRFA config will work as it only uses the standard list widgets
07:29:26JdGordoncredits really shuold be reworked to use the multi screen api
07:29:36JdGordonand i dont particularly care about pictureflow
07:29:56DJeXeCuteI have a way to fix my ipod now but it won't show as connected now
07:30:09[Saint]It's nice to have...but it's one of those things I kinda know that if it gets broken, someone will fix it.
07:30:19[Saint](re: pictureflow)
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07:48:06*[Saint] wonders what the (seemingly arbitrary) count up to 206 is during RaaA installation.
07:48:17[Saint]"Installing */206"
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07:50:08JdGordonfiles in the zip *probab;y*
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07:52:40[Saint]it'd probably be of more use if that was converted to a percentile.
07:52:49[Saint]which, shouldn't be hard to represent.
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08:59:26silboI was just wondering which of them is more critical and essential: Codec Library and Optimization or Standalone playback core/library
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09:53:47JdGordonsilbo: standalone playback is probably more interesting
09:54:20silboJdGordon: ok
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10:02:34silboJdGordon: So as I understand this playback is enrooted to the rockbox kernel
10:03:21Zagorit's just very entangled with the application code
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10:04:32silboso the goal of the standalone project is to make a fully working standalone playback project
10:04:50JdGordonwith as minimal an interface as possible
10:05:58ZagorI'd say the goal is rather to make rockbox use this library
10:06:12ZagorI guess it can be debated though
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10:07:15Zagorin any case, I'd say the library should not be a fork
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10:18:20silboAnd which functionality does it need to have included
10:18:57silbolike you give it a mp3 file and you say play() forward() backward() get_curr_time() and so on?
10:19:26Zagorit needs to include all rockbox playback features
10:19:40silbook understood
10:19:58Zagorwe want the current code, just layered into a tidy library
10:20:43Zagordefining the library api is a big part of the task
10:21:00silbook, sound like a pretty cool project
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10:38:13silboZagor: sorry, but I did not understand if one of the goals is that this library could be used by other projects
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10:39:34JdGordonsilbo: well, that could be a goal, the bigger one (arguable of course) is to make debugging out playback more easy. right now its almost impossible
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10:39:52JdGordongetting the actual playback engine otside of the rest of rockbox gives us more options
10:39:53silboi see
10:40:25Zagoryes, external use is just one of the options a library would provice.
10:41:21JdGordonI'm not sure where the break would be though.. at buffering or below it?
10:42:11Zagorthe library needs to include the buffering
10:43:57JdGordonwell hang on, why?
10:44:11JdGordongive the buffering a good API and it could be easily replaced also
10:45:08Zagorsure, if/when you have layered the buffering that can be done. but not before.
10:45:30JdGordoni thought buffering actually had a reasonable api now?
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10:47:49Zagoryes. I'm just not confident it can be replaced easily. no work or tests in that direction has been done afaik.
10:49:25[Saint]JhMikes work greatly simplified the buffering system iiuc
10:49:49[Saint]Not sure that means much in the respect of how easy it will be to achieve this, though.
10:50:55Zagorthe rockbox library needs buffering code. until we can offer rockbox-compatible buffering code separately, the logical solution is to bundle it with the library
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10:51:19Zagorhaving test code or third-party apps implement it would be quite burdensome
10:51:36B4gderI agree that it seems logical to start off seeing them as one
10:53:02gevaertsThere's also of course the possibility of someone working on buffering too. Not wanting to refactor it at the same time that someone else is extending/changing it makes sense
10:55:09JdGordonanyone have any idea how the API would look? that a good qualification task?
10:57:27Zagorit's probably a good qualifier. the library task requires rather deep knowledge of gritty rockbox internals. the api design would give an indication how much of it an applicant grasps.
10:58:18ZagorI have been sceptical about having it as a gsoc task at all, due to the intimate rockbox knowledge required
10:58:53Zagorbut I'd be happy to be proven wrong
10:58:57JdGordoncan it be broken down to smaller tasks? or is it really all or nothing?
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11:02:43gevaertsCan someone ban denki75?
11:02:54ZagorI'm not sure "layering" smaller code portions out of the application code is necessarily making the job easier. you'd have to define a new api for each new code segment.
11:05:44*B4gder thinks gevaerts should get banning superpowers in the forum... scorche?
11:06:20*JdGordon too while you're at it...
11:06:32JdGordonconsidering the timezones and me being online pretty much all day
11:07:58B4gdergevaerts: done
11:11:18*[Saint] decides to start chewing over the skin var code needed for the popups in the .wps and .sbs
11:11:32[Saint]and also the new .sbs conditional viewport panel.
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11:13:30[Saint]Hmmm...I also wonder if I have the coding chops required to kick %cs in the arse and add the missing screen(s) to it.
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11:14:04[Saint]quickscreen, <other?>,
11:16:46*JdGordon remembers thinking about that, cant remember if it was commited?
11:17:26[Saint]Oh..yeah, that's did do some work there no?
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11:18:15[Saint]Aha...right, yes, now I remember something too
11:18:28JdGordoni cant remember how far it got
11:18:31[Saint]%Ts 's timeout is borked.
11:18:40JdGordonI actually ihnk i asked about it and got no response
11:18:51[Saint]I was *supposed* to put that on the tracker but I forgot.
11:19:01[Saint]shit %Tl
11:20:09[Saint]JdGordon: *did* do something
11:20:16[Saint]FS #11925
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11:21:14JdGordoncool! :p
11:21:47[Saint]"here's one I prepared earlier"
11:25:25JdGordonthat patch is mostly done, it just needs more calls to change screens which you should be able to do if oyu';re game :)
11:25:53*JdGordon goes back to trying to figure out why dyn screen size break android if it is disabled
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11:39:44JdGordonBUGGER.... my tree is crashing in the font cache code now...
11:39:53JdGordonthis patch just doesnt want t get commited!
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11:55:25silbohey guys, can anybody comment on my proposal
11:56:15JdGordonlink no worky
11:56:55mshathlonxpit does
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11:58:13silbofeel free to but me donw to misery xD
11:58:45[Saint]link works here.
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12:02:30JdGordonis our open()/read()/lseek() posix compliant? can buffering even be compiled (forget about linked) outside of rockbox?
12:04:10gevaertssilbo: one quick comment for now: I'm not sure if splitting out the code, reworking it, and then update rockbox to work with the new library is a good way to do this (I'd try to do it more incrementally)
12:04:41gevaertssilbo: also, you know you can submit the proposal to the melange site and still update it later (until the deadline)?
12:05:17silboyes, but all revisions will be there xD
12:05:48silboand if the text is like crap then .....
12:06:09gevaertsWell, you're showing it to the same people now
12:06:30silboI know xD
12:08:01silbogevaerts: ok so I would build up the new library project class by class, that is what you mean ?
12:09:28JdGordonmy initial thought was fix the build script to build the playback code to a seperate .a and do just enough code to make it compile/link.. then once thats done clean up the API
12:13:14silbohmm ok
12:16:02kugelJdGordon: they should be
12:17:01mshathlonxphow about updating estonian translation first? shouldn't take more than one day, presuming jokes that latvians are cracking about estonians aren't true :D
12:18:50gevaertsmshathlonxp: is that supposed to be a constructive comment?
12:19:19mshathlonxpforget about second half of it if you don't like it
12:21:53silbowhat xD I am an estonian I could make the translation xD
12:23:04JdGordonkugel: ?
12:23:19gevaertssilbo: feel free to work on it (see, or do it the old fashioned way in the source), but don't feel obliged by mshathlonxp's comment
12:23:48silbogevaerts, JdGordon: I think I did not quite get what you were suggesting me to write for the task descrition, I updated it a little
12:23:55kugelthe reason we don't use them directly from the library is the paths thingy
12:24:03kugel(.rockbox path)
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12:27:25JdGordonanyone have any idea what the heck would cause the messed up text in ?
12:27:48JdGordonmy first guess is a buffer overrun but no crash?
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12:28:44JdGordonhmm, it looks like lines which scroll dont have this problem
12:29:11JdGordonannoyingly i dont see this in sdl, only android
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12:30:52JdGordonand then only if dynamic screen size is enabled... and i cant see anywhere in the diff which might cause this :/
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12:46:31JdGordonkugel: DEBUGF() isnt hooked up by default?
12:46:52kugelit is in DEBUG builds
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12:50:56*JdGordon wonders why rockbox is crashing on the first run every time after updateing the apk
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12:57:36[Saint]No idea.
12:57:40[Saint]Black screen hang?
12:57:56[Saint]like, not actually crashing, or an FC...but a black screen hang?
12:58:08JdGordonno, full on crashing
12:58:29[Saint]Hmmm, it happens to me as I describe.
12:58:42[Saint]I need to force close it.
13:00:14JdGordonyeah, I'm almost willing to bet its because of the *great* java<->c lcd code initing in the wrong order
13:00:26JdGordonbut i cant get the debugger going so me
13:03:07JdGordonok, well lcdputs is sending the correct string, so the framebuffer is getting updated wrongly
13:03:11*JdGordon confused
13:03:13JdGordonsomeone help! :p
13:07:06mc2739scorche|sh: or AlexP: please ban cenfdavuj
13:08:42JdGordondidnt he get banned once already?
13:13:45mc2739I don't think so - he is still online
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13:19:32mc2739thank you
13:24:26n1sare these accounts created by bots or real spammers?
13:25:11B4gderI think we have both kinds
13:25:28JdGordonaren't we lucky! :p
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13:38:05JdGordonWTF? seriously, what could cause such not-random garbage being displayed on the lcd when the sstring being sent to putsxy() is sane?
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13:46:01n1sbugs in putsxy
13:46:42JdGordonwhich noone has seen in 5 years?
13:47:21n1smaybe they like you more than other people? :)
13:47:39JdGordonand it apparently works fine with android with the dynamic screen patch enabled, the only difference being LCD_WIDTH/HEIGHT are #defined to a number when disabled
13:47:50JdGordondriving me insane!
13:51:47kugelJdGordon: perhaps compiler optimization
13:54:16JdGordonok, so it looks like it is actually trying to draw garbage
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13:55:32JdGordonbidi_l2v() seems to be broken
13:57:30JdGordonAH! makes sense now./.. thats returning a non-static array
13:58:32JdGordonthe patch broke it
13:58:59JdGordonunsigned short utf16_buf[SCROLL_LINE_SIZE]; <- that isnt really related to scroll line size... how should I fix this?
13:59:17JdGordonor just malloc that in scroll_init() and pretend it is related?
13:59:54JdGordonmalloc() on first use?
14:04:34JdGordon\o/ fixed :)
14:06:56dionoeaHello. I had a small question about the dynamic screen size patch. Wouldn't it be more logical to first try using WPSes with a filename containing the screen size/depth and then fallback to the generic one than the other way around? That way you can provide customised versions for some common sizes and provide a fallback for other targets.
14:08:24JdGordondionoea: well, doing it that way means theme zips cant be shared between targets as easily
14:08:54JdGordoni.e 320x240 android, sdl, real target can currently share the zip, with your suggestion they couldnt because the filenames in the config would be wrong
14:08:55kugeldionoea: that only works if the fallback is entirely text based
14:09:41kugelwhich doesn't make sense for 99% of the themes
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14:12:25dionoeahum ... ok. It still feels weird to test the sizeless version first :)
14:12:50*JdGordon intends to add the ability to change the lcd size at runtime next
14:13:00TheSevenDJeXeCute: why don't you just follow the instructions?
14:13:07JdGordoni.e portait <->landscape shenanigans :)
14:13:15TheSevenit's really, really dead simple
14:13:36dionoeabtw, what happens if you load a backdrop that doesn't match the current screen size? will it just crop/padd? or does the core provide a scaling engine?
14:13:38TheSeven[07:01] <DJeXeCute> "No .rockbox Directory" "Installation Incomplete" << this means that you haven't followed the instructions to the end and haven't extracted a rockbox build yet
14:14:03TheSeven[06:59] <DJeXeCute> Is there something I could just drop in like the video's .rockbox folder? << that's a surefire way to break it even more
14:14:11[Saint]He did manage to get it to it must have dissappeared after.
14:14:23TheSevenjust use the one for the ipod classic that's pointed to by the instructions?
14:14:38[Saint]eeeek, lag?
14:14:43TheSeven[07:05] <DJeXeCute> Crap how can i get it back to DFU to reformat it as a normal Ipod? << as always. connect to USB and hold menu+select for about 12 seconds
14:14:54[Saint]he did manage to get RB to boot, so...something happened to break it *after* the install.
14:15:24[Saint]TheSeven: ^
14:16:57TheSeven[14:14] <[Saint]> He did manage to get it to it must have dissappeared after. << yes, he booted it from the NOR flash (there's a compressed "recovery" rockbox in there since the transition to emcore)
14:17:17TheSevenhe just needs to continue following the instructions step by step and not break out in the middle of them
14:17:40TheSeven[14:14] <[Saint]> eeeek, lag? << nope, just me answering to the backlog
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14:18:11[Saint]Oh, wow...shit. I didn't realise there was an RB image in there already.
14:18:53[Saint]if that's the case, why doesn't it just stay there...or get written to the correct location if another build isn't loaded?
14:19:36[Saint]"RB works, then seemingly vanishes" seems a bit weird (if you don't follow the instructions...apparently)
14:19:57[Saint]though, you can't really accomodate for not following instruction too much.
14:20:12TheSeventhere's just the bare minimum on the flash, not a full rockbox build, that wouldn't fit
14:20:23TheSevenso no codecs, plugins, fonts, themes, ...
14:20:28TheSevenjust the builtin fallback stuff
14:20:37TheSevenit behaves as if you delete everything but rockbox.ipod
14:21:08[Saint]Right...well, I distinctly said "here's a link, answer the questions, do what it says"
14:21:11[Saint]I assumed he had.
14:21:12TheSevenand if explicitly moans about rockbox.ipod and .rockbox missing during boot
14:21:51[Saint]that's the one.
14:21:51TheSevenhe apparently broke out after "Wait for Rockbox to boot (Complaints about the rockbox.ipod file being missing are normal at this point.) "
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14:23:59[Saint]I wonder what made him choose to ignore ~50% of the instruction.
14:24:15[Saint]Is there a misleading step in the installation one could interpret as being finished?
14:27:00TheSevenwell, "Oooh, Rockbox is running, let's try playing around"
14:27:27TheSevenI'm wondering what's so hard to understand here: "Please follow the instructions closely, step by step. If any doubts arise, please ask for support before playing around. You could permanently damage your device!"
14:28:11[Saint]You can't accomodate for people chosing to ignore instruction.
14:29:32[Saint]maybe bold the "any" in "if any doubts arise" and the "permanently" in "permanently damage your device"
14:31:08TheSeventhat whole thing is bold!
14:31:21TheSevenand "support" is linked to a #freemyipod-support webchat and NOT here
14:32:40*[Saint] shrugs
14:33:45[Saint]I didn't suggest he try copy anything else to the disk as I'd assumed he'd actually gotten to the end of the instruction, it failed for whatever reason, and I didn't want to risk breaking things more.
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14:49:20kugelJdGordon: the lcd dimensions come automatically in the surfaceChanged (currently stubbed in the java code) callback so you don't need to query it
14:49:37kugelbut it comes in asynchron, possibly after the first lcd operations
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16:05:34kugelpffs, this volume blast needs to be fixed, it's pretty dangerous for the ears
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17:27:04[Saint]Hmmm...could someone add "touchscreen" as "Player Type" in Flyspray please?
17:28:02[Saint]otherwise there's no real way to accurately define the player type for a touchscreen specific skin bug.
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18:19:23kugeldid someone see my mail on the ml? it's not a lot of time left until the deadline
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18:24:04n1skugel: the one about two applications?
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18:25:37n1sassuming that the rules allow it and you feel equally strongly about both projects i think two separate applications is better
18:29:35kugelI think both are fun, interesting and can help rockbox a lot
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19:15:13kugelpit just came to my mind. we've talked about a tickless or dynamic tick system. that would be a nice gsoc project
19:17:10gevaertsI don't know
19:17:24gevaertsWould that really be that much work?
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19:18:05gevaertshm, maybe it would be
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19:18:12gevaertsBut do we really need it enough?
19:25:10AlexPkugelp: I don't see the problem in two applications
19:26:15kugelpgevaerts: it would be a win on all devices
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19:28:32gevaertsDepends on how flexible the hardware timers are
19:29:15gevaertsIn genral the tick tasks are easy to deal with I suspect. The tricky bit would be current_tick
19:31:47gevaertskugelp: about the other question, I'd say that while I don't believe that relocatable plugins are "completely pointless" as some people have said, I do agree that without memory management changes they're rather crippled. Maybe start with buffer management and work on the plugins if there's time left?
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19:47:30saratoga(reading the logs) for what its worth we do have a contained implementation of the buffering system, test_codec.c
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20:16:22DJeXeCuteHey I rockboxed my Ipod Classic 80gig with emCORE and now it won't link up to any of my computers at all It shows the USB Picture on the ipod screen but no drive under my computer on windows xp 32x pro any ideas on how to either reset it to factory since hard reboot set it back into emCORE and it won't go into DFU with emCORE?
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20:44:22TheSevenDJeXeCute: it *will* go into DFU
20:44:32TheSevenyou're once again not following the instructions correctly
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20:53:06DJeXeCuteNo matter how long I hold Select and Menu it does not
20:53:34ChickeNESIs there anyone on that I can discuss GSoC with?
20:53:48DJeXeCuteNo Matter how long I hold it it continualy does looping restarts
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20:54:07DJeXeCuteIt just keeps on going to the boot menu
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20:55:18DJeXeCuteBoot menu comes up goes black comes up again and stays up
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20:55:47DJeXeCuteI'm doing it right now and have now been holding the menu and select for 40seconds and counting
21:01:10AlexPChickeNES: It depends in what detail about what project :)
21:01:29ChickeNESI would like to do the Arm Emulator
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21:02:57*AlexP thinks who to prod about that :)
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21:06:00saratogaChickeNES: i can talk for a little bit
21:06:24ChickeNESsaratoga: ok
21:07:03saratogabasically we spend a lot of our time reverse engineering devices, and writing assembly code, so having an emulator would be useful for testing, reverse engineering, etc
21:08:32ChickeNESsaratoga: how much documentation exists for each device?
21:08:55saratogasome have a lot of documentation, others have no documentation
21:09:07saratogabeyond the reverse engineered stuff in the source code
21:09:20saratogado you have a rockbox player?
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21:09:53DJeXeCuteSorry I Got a bluescreen
21:11:20ChickeNESI've never used rockbox, but I have various iPods lying around (4th gen and Video)
21:11:47AlexPThat's outrageous, get it installed :)
21:12:03ChickeNESI was thinking of trying it out this weekend.
21:12:37ChickeNESThe emulator drew my attention as I have written emulators in the past
21:12:56DJeXeCuteDon't put it on any ipod classics unless you really know what your doing I think I permanently bricked a 80gig ipod classic I just bought yestarday
21:13:16AlexPUnless you can follow all the instructions to the letter
21:13:50saratogaDJeXeCute: hopefully someone writing an emulator is a bit better with computers
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21:14:21DJeXeCuteI did and I was going to use my xbox 360 vision cam to record a vid of how its not working but my computer wont pick it up microsoft wont provide drivers im begining to think the source of my problems is crappy windows xp
21:14:32saratogaChickeNES: so you would be targeting an ipod?
21:15:10saratogathat could be challenging because theres no documentation for the CPUs used in the 4G and Video, although they have undergone an enormous amount of reverse engineering over the years
21:15:20ChickeNES I would be willing to buy another player or two if necessary
21:15:25DJeXeCuteI'm gunna search for my windows 7 box
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21:16:13saratogaChickeNES: you said you'd worked on another emulator?
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21:16:33DJeXeCuteGot it im gunna install Windows 7 and see if itle work then
21:16:47AlexPDJeXeCute: We don't need a running commentary
21:17:47saratogaAlexP: can you unflag me as spam
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21:18:24ChickeNESsaratoga: I've written a couple of different emulators
21:18:31saratogacan you talk about them
21:18:47AlexPsaratoga: Done. I don't know why it keeps getting you
21:19:17saratogatheres no way we can improve that system to not flag existing users?
21:19:19ChickeNESI first wrote a NES emulator in C, with graphics and input support
21:19:40ChickeNESI've been in the process of rewriting it in C++
21:19:43AlexPsaratoga: No idea, scorche's plaything
21:20:04ChickeNESI also used the same cpu core to write an Apple II emulator
21:20:33saratogaah nice, so working with peripherals shouldn't be too hard for you
21:20:43scorchesaratoga: nope - it is one of those magical "cloud" things that shouldnt need any configuration because it works perfectly for everyone
21:20:56saratogais it at least flagging a lot of spam?
21:21:04ChickeNESAnd I've also written a partial Z80 emulator for Space Invaders
21:21:06scorchesaratoga: however, between using it and not using it, it *has* caught a lot of spam and has proved its use to me
21:21:06AlexP228 messages so far
21:21:28ChickeNESand a partial MIPS emulator that is intended as the core for a N64 emulator
21:21:40scorcheAlexP: well, that is how many it has flagged - i would be willing to be around 20-40 of those at least are valid
21:21:46scorchebut still - worth it in my opinion
21:22:06AlexPscorche: Oh, I assumed that was non-unflagged messages
21:22:17AlexPI've unflagged probably 25 or so
21:22:28saratogaChickeNES: theres already a lot of open source arm emulators, so you'd probably be able to start with an existing one
21:22:54saratogatheres also a half working emulator on our patch tracker that emulates a sandisk player with the same SOC as your ipods
21:23:11saratogaso you may want to look into existing work when writing your application
21:24:03ChickeNESsaratoga: yeah, I'm going to check those out and see if they would be easy to build on
21:24:28ChickeNESotherwise, they'll at least be good reference material
21:24:31saratogathe one on our patch tracker is pretty cool, although i have my doubts about the correctness of its ARM emulation, but its neat to look at
21:25:40saratogaunrelated note, the AMSv2 SD issues seem vastly reduced if not fixed entirely, so maybe a point release in a week or two would be a good idea
21:26:06AlexPI can do it whenever, I'm just waiting for the all clear
21:26:24AlexPHave all the relevant patches been backported?
21:26:24saratogais it just a matter of forking the current 3.8 branch and then doing builds?
21:26:30saratogano not yet
21:26:35AlexPJust tag the 3.8 branch then build
21:26:49AlexPChange a few scripts for version numbers etc.
21:26:54AlexPWrite release notes
21:27:01saratogawe probably want a couple days just to make sure something else didn't break
21:27:13linuxstbChickeNES: Were any of these emulators you wrote released as open source?
21:27:56linuxstb(or released at all?)
21:28:14ChickeNESlinuxstb: I plan on putting the C++ nes emulator on github soon, the C one is a bit messy as I wrote it when I first taught myself C
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21:33:01bertrikAlexP, saratoga, I think I fixed a lot of minor things in the AMSv2 sd driver and we might as well copy the entire driver over to the branch, but maybe we should wait a week or so to see if any problem pops up anyway
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21:33:17AlexPer, woops
21:33:21AlexPSorry :)
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21:54:01AlexPpixelma: I remember you having an inputenx issue on cygwin, did you manage to sort it?,27615.msg179624.html#new
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22:02:34sharperguyHey. Does anyone know if there's a workaround for the Clip+ bug where 16gb cards aren't always detected? I looked around on the wiki etc. but haven't seen anything obvious.
22:03:12AlexPsharperguy: What build are you on?
22:03:28sharperguyHang on I'll just check.
22:03:55funmanget the current build
22:03:56AlexPCould you try a current build?
22:03:57sharperguyI should've checked what the newest was actually.
22:04:11AlexPNot 3.8, but the one labelled current build
22:04:12sharperguyCan I just update using the rockbox installer?
22:04:21AlexPBut current build, not release :)
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22:07:04pixelmaAlexP: no, I haven't. The problem is that the tex package that's usually provided (and still recommended) in our wiki is too old to include inputenx. I'm not sure how to go on from there (I had a quick look at the texlive installation but wasn't sure), bluebrother also wanted to look into it
22:08:36sharperguyOk copying.
22:09:07ChickeNESsaratoga: do you have a link to the emu in the patch tracker? I tried searching emulator and sandisk in the tracker but couldn't find it
22:10:11pixelmaAlexP: the tetex packages are too old and not developed anymore
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22:11:59ChickeNESsaratoga: ok, I'll take a look at that tonight
22:12:10ChickeNESWhat else do I need to do?
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22:14:40sharperguyWow nice the new build seems to work no problem.
22:14:56AlexPGreat :) We should have a 3.8.1 with it soon.
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22:17:36sharperguyCool. Thanks.
22:18:54Buschelpixelma: I am currently checking this inputenx installation ->
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22:36:31Buschelpixelma: works :)
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23:38:59s1ashdotHello, I am having an issue where my Sansa Fuze v1 is randomly unmounting. This never occurred until I installed RB 3.8. I saw that a Mac user also reported it happening.
23:39:00s1ashdotI am using Ubuntu
23:39:39s1ashdotAny suggestions on what I could try? I suppose I could work around it about booting the original firmware.
23:41:21gevaertsHave you tried a current build yet?
23:41:40s1ashdotIsn't 3.8 the current build?
23:41:54gevaertsNo. 3.8 is the latest release.
23:42:15gevaertsNew current builds appear whenever we work on the code, several times per day
23:42:37gevaertsRockbox Utility should be able to install a current build for you
23:42:42s1ashdotI simply erase the .rockbox folder and place the current build .rockbox folder in?
23:43:01gevaertsYes, or just overwrite it, or use Rockbox Utility
23:43:12s1ashdotAlright, I'll try that. Thanks for your help.
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