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#rockbox log for 2011-04-02

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00:02:37AlexPbertrik: So you are happy with a release soon? (this weekend maybe)
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04:13:53jawsI have installed rockbox, stable build. took me a while to figure out the utility has some bug in which it keeps asking for a firmware file (windows). After completing the downloads and installation I unplugged my clip v2 and its bricked. I have read a few forums for fixes and none of them prove useful. Not even the backlight turns on.
04:14:00jawsThe player will not connect through USB either. Pointers? The rockbox utility was not really all that accessible when using my screenreader with it so I might have missed something on the prerequisites dialog box.
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05:51:34kendellhi all
05:55:18kendellI've been attempting to generate talk files for my player's music and audio books. I've selected sapi as my speech engine and the voice, as well as testing it to make sure it works. but the generation fails halfway through, it reads the fileList, and starts to encode, but then fails. am i missing something? the manual doesn't give much info on this.
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06:14:43[Saint]Can someone give the forums a kick in the nuts please?
06:14:58[Saint]It seems to think my last forum post is spam, and has hidden it :/
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06:15:19[Saint]I can see it in the "recent posts", but not in the thread it's intended to be in.
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06:56:19kendellIs it possible to select a synthesizer to create voice files with tat are not listed in the rockbox uktility? I doubt it, but I have eloquence from jfw and wanted to try to use it, but not sure if there is a driver for it. sapi seems to fail, and espeak doesn't load, have selected the dll, but nothing so far
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07:26:30kendelltrying that now. does the rockbox utility work with sapi4? no offense but I can't understand the default voice.
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07:27:33jawskendell: I would assume, the problem is that the utility says sapi but not which one. Most often sapi4 is used though
07:28:53kendellah. I'm seeing sapi 5 voices, and for some odd reason creation of the talk files fails. it can't for some reason encode them
07:28:53kendellsays something like, error *filepath\filename.wav failed to encode. then it cleans up and aborts
07:30:14jawskendell: mmm, sapi 5 voices.. try using the realSpeak pack, which works with sapi 5. Unfortunately my sansa clip V2 is currently bricked so i wasn't even able to start using rockbox
07:30:14jawskendell: try supplying the wav files in some other way? create them out of an OCR package.. or with some textToSpeech utility?
07:30:28kendellrealspeak pack. mmm, I think I have an old copy lying around taht works with jfw that will work. I have noticed taht with high quality voices such as natural voices the player seems to be bogged down, maybe it's the quality of the files?
07:30:35jawskendell: I also suspect this has to do with something in the speech api in the control panel
07:31:00kendelldefinitely could be. forgot to installl the sapi4 runtime so am doing that now
07:31:02jawskendell: maybe the size affects too but lower khz would most likely avoid trouble. Mono files must help out some.
07:31:40kendellah. have no idea about the specks of my player but I do know it runs on z80. thought that chipset was long obsolete?
07:33:03jawskendell: haha.. well, I was just refferring to the quality of the files. A file that does not have a stereo atribute or a higher bitRate or resolution is lighter on resources.
07:33:21jawskendell: not too good with hardware myself
07:34:25kendellI have noticed that you can use espeak, but no matter how I try to load it it fials. tehre doesn't seem to be much help that I can find about what synths the utility works with and how to add new ones. I have an eloquence driver for nvda but doubt it can be adapted for rockbox. don't know what language the program is written in
07:34:43kendellarg, i need a new keyboard
07:36:02kendellwell, looks like rockbox util uses sapi5 and as far as i know eloq is in sapi4. sighs
07:37:05jawskendell: as far as i know, window eyes has got a sapi 5 version of eloquence; but because it is proprietary and ... rigidly lisenced it will only be granted operation while window eyes runs.
07:37:33jawskendell: I also doubt the realSpeak talk files would be that big
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07:38:02kendellhmmm, need to disassemble that sapi5 driver. arg, too hard. i'll just go get realspeak
07:39:26kendellwhat I really wish would happen is rockbox wuold get some sort of daisy player, but that would mean implementing a tts and as far as I know mp3 player's can't handle that? no clue?
07:41:03jawskendell: there are also spoken daisy books, though... I think it would use up much more CPU when there would be a try to implement an engine. A midi player would e interesting, though... I htink it would require more computing/memory also.
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07:41:52kendellwhat would really be nice is if it could play the books from the talking book library. much more portable than that digital player, but sighs it won't happen too many legal hoops
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07:42:35kendellbut rockbox has the best audio quality I've ever heard. much much better than the stock firmware
07:43:13jawskendell: which player have you got?
07:43:49kendellthe digiamp3 player? the sansa fuze v1.
07:44:04kendelloops. scratch that, I meant the mp3 player. forgot to clear input box
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07:46:07jawskendell: I was waiting on a rockbox release for the clip V2 which was the one i had.. until i installedd rockbox the "recomended way" and it completely bricked. no screen, no hardware power off, no USB connection, no flash when connecting it via USB. 0
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08:57:50pixelmakendell: as far as I know voice generation with the Utility failing on Windows is currently a bug in the Windows port of the Utility and I think independent of the selected TTS. One of the main developers started looking into it but I don't know how far he got.
08:58:45pixelmathere's also some script you could use but I don't know any details
09:00:01bertrikhm, odd, for AMS/AMSv2 devices we often write to a GPIO port that is configured as input, which would make no sense normally.
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09:00:32bertrikPerhaps setting the data bit for a specific GPIO pin configured as input means that a pull-up is activated?
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09:01:30bertrikAlso, we seem to have several AMS/AMSv2 display drivers that try to set a control line of the display both using GPIO and using DBOP
09:03:06kendellgeneration of talk files is still failing. I did manage to create voice files though. does anyone have any ideas? I read the voice wiki article, but it fails during generation of the wav files
09:07:20pixelmakendell: hmm, didn't see you weren't around currently when I answered you about 5 minutes ago. I believe it's a bug in the Windows port of the Utility. Alternatively there should also be a script for generating the talk files but I know nothing about it
09:08:00kendellyup, sorry about that, my internet went down and I just now fixed it. I just downloaded the script and am playing with it
09:08:27kendellsure would be nice if they'd add in a tts, even espeak. I don't get it, must be a bug. will try the script
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09:10:29pixelmaas far as I know, espeak on Windows uses the SAPI, at least that's one way of installation (the one I used). So I only get the espeak voices under the list for SAPI
09:10:38kendellglares, now there's a bug in the script. windows script host reports a file missing
09:11:44kendellmmmmmaI tried to use the copy of espeak included with nvda, wich failed, and tried using eloquence with sapi4, wich again failed, so now I'm trying loquendo voices under sapi5.
09:13:48kendellyou've bot to be kidding me, this thing doesn't support wildcards?
09:14:45pixelmaI really think that it's not the TTS, the bug in the Utility probably occures whatever you chose. In case you have access to a computer running linux or MacOS that might be more successful
09:15:07pixelmawildcards? What for?
09:17:34kendellarg, don't mind me, i"m an idiot. didn't run the hta file. I tried to drag and drop onto the script file when I should've run teh html one.
09:17:48kendelloh nice, my tea's done
09:22:04bertrikhm, more oddness, the clip+ display driver messes with the pin used for i2c at initialisation
09:24:43bertrikThose lcd drivers could use a nice cleanup, I think I'll do the clipv1 and clip+ first.
09:25:41pixelmajaws: some people experienced hard freezes with the Clip or Clip+ where the unit sprang to life after the battery had been run down completely
09:27:41kendellone thing I found amazing is that my sansa fuze had been dead for months and the player still remembered where I left off and with what file.
09:27:53pixelmajaws: and I don't think it's a bug that the Utility asks for a firmware file. If I remember correctly, that's what you need for the first installation of Rockbox on those newer Sansa players (you need an original firmware file from Sandisk's site that gets patched and installed)
09:28:44pixelmakendell: the resume position is stored in a file
09:29:09kendelloh, duh, hello, why didn't I figure that out. well that explains it. still, excellent audio quality. best I've ever heard
09:29:27kendellif only there were a daisy bok reader on there...
09:32:11kendellarg, can't generate talk files for the entire drive, fais with a can't find file error
09:32:28kendellI must be missing something, I cna't be this thick
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09:41:16kendelloh, hello, i didn't look inside the directory for the talk files. haha wow
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10:24:18CIA-48New commit by bertrik (r29668): Sansa clip+: do not set GPIO B7 in the display driver, it's already used for FM radio I2C
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10:28:16CIA-48r29668 build result: All green
10:28:35bertrikfixing (potential) bugs by removing code :)
10:31:04bertrikhuh? fuzev2 and clipv2 just got bigger when removing clip+-only code ...
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11:02:10bertrikthis thing seems to have 6 control lines and only 4 data lines ...
11:02:56CIA-48r29669 build result: All green
11:03:03bertrik3 control lines should be enough in theory (reset, command/data select, strobe)
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11:32:14amiconnHmm, I've been getting several "reported post" mails from the forum - I wonder why
11:34:06*amiconn hardly ever looks at the forum and has no idea what he's supposed to do with these reports
11:34:27bertrikI got a couple of those too, and ignored them so far
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11:36:40[Saint]well...dont ;)
11:36:56[Saint]I posted something earlier that the spam protection's annoying.
11:38:49[Saint],27629.msg179711.html#msg179711 <−− visible in "recent posts" (but only after entering the recent posts section), but not in the thread it's intended for. :/
11:38:52AlexPamiconn: Ignore them and let someone else deal with them
11:39:21AlexP[Saint]: And if you get that, let me or soap or gevaerts or JdGordon| or GodEater or a Swede know
11:39:39AlexPor scorche of course
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13:15:01[Saint]bluebrother has a post that's been eaten by the spam protection too apparently.
13:15:24[Saint]again visible in the "recent posts" section, but not anywhere else.
13:15:37[Saint]AlexP: scorche: ^
13:17:44[Saint]Thanks. Any idea *why* it does this? I guess if you did it wouldn't be doing it right?
13:17:56[Saint]Just wondering if it's something I'm doing that I could avoid.
13:20:16AlexPThere is no configuration
13:20:25AlexPIt is a "cloud" thing
13:20:46AlexPIt is
13:21:07AlexPjust that with any automated spam thing you will get some false positives
13:21:37AlexPIt would be nice to be able to get it to ignore anyone in certain groups
13:21:52bluebrotherwould it be possible to whitelist all users with any kind of badge?
13:21:54[Saint]Apparently I need to figure out how I act, and be more consistent ;)
13:22:06AlexPbluebrother: apparently not
13:22:23AlexPI don't have any access to any of this incidentally
13:22:25bluebrothertoo bad. That could save the forum admins some work
13:22:40AlexPYou need scorche for that, I'm just repeating what he has said in the past
13:22:51AlexPbluebrother: yes, it would be nice
13:25:07pixelmascorche said it wouldn't be possible as the plugin is some cloud thing. It should "learn" by time
13:25:29pixelmasorry for repeating, didn't read thoroughly
13:25:44[Saint]It's had enough time to learn I'm no threat. Or bluebrother
13:26:00AlexP[Saint]: I'm not sure about the first part of that :P
13:26:31[Saint]haw haw.
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13:34:17mshathlonxpis it possible to use my own background image only by creating theme with it?
13:35:06*b42 is (yet another) gsoc applicant coming to say hi
13:35:20AlexPhi :)
13:35:51AlexPmshathlonxp: You should be able to select set as backdrop on a bmp from the context menu IIRC
13:36:02mshathlonxpah, bmp
13:36:13AlexPIt needs to be exactly the right size too
13:36:57mshathlonxpyeah, thanks
13:37:02b42i'm thinking of applying for "Standalone playback core/library" or "Multiple/Relocatable Plugins"
13:37:27b42does anybody have an idea how deep understanding for multitasking do i have to have to apply for the former?:)
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13:40:43mshathlonxpAlexP is there some more requirements for the file, for example, colour count?
13:41:08*mshathlonxp is trying to use 320x240 bmp file as wallpaper, but nothing happens
13:41:20mshathlonxpon ipod video, of course
13:41:51stripwaxmshathlonxp - can it be loaded by rockpaint (on your ipod)?
13:42:01AlexPb42: You could try to catch people like saratoga, linuxstb, Unhelpful, JdGordon|
13:42:19AlexPstripwax: Are you a standalone playback/core library man?
13:42:19[Saint]mshathlonxp: works here.
13:42:26[Saint]How are you tring to do this?
13:42:34stripwaxAlexP - not as far as i know
13:42:38AlexPOK :)
13:42:49stripwaxbut not sure i really understand the question :)
13:42:51b42AlexP: ok, thanks ... i'll just hang here
13:42:58AlexPstripwax: I meant in terms of discussing the gsoc project for that with a potential student
13:43:16mshathlonxpstripwax no I can't
13:43:24mshathlonxp"file load error"?
13:43:33AlexPmshathlonxp: something is up with the bmp then
13:43:39AlexPWhat depth is it?
13:43:56[Saint]AlexP: RB will downscale the botdepth
13:44:03AlexP[Saint]: I know
13:44:04[Saint]or, should.
13:44:22AlexPBut, I think on some targets there are some restrictions
13:44:31AlexPAnyway, it would be interesting to know
13:45:07AlexPb42: Yep, sounds like the best plan :)
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13:45:34stripwax__hrm, seems down
13:45:41mshathlonxpsomething's wrong
13:45:52[Saint]Hmmm....I expected the "Properties" section in the context menu to list the bitdepth of the file, seems not.
13:45:56mshathlonxpgwenview also refuses to open it now :D
13:46:30AlexPstripwax: yes, here too
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13:47:13AlexPBagder, Zagor: seems to be giving a blank page
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13:51:25n1sAlexP: same here
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14:20:08amiconnmshathlonxp: The requirement for a backdrop bmp is that it needs to be exactly screen sized. Bit depth doesn't matter; the rb bmp loader supports all bit depth. It only supports the most common layouts for 16/24/32 bit though, and the bmp must be uncompressed (i.e. no rle support)
14:21:06mshathlonxpexactly sized?
14:21:24mshathlonxpso 320x239 isn't going to work just because it's missing 320 pixels?
14:22:20mshathlonxpoh, then probably it's the problem
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14:23:27amiconnHmm, unsuitable bmps should probably show a splash
14:29:48mshathlonxprockpaint opens this one but still no luck with setting it as wallpaper, looks like it's time to decrease colour count...
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14:32:40mshathlonxpif I've removed previous background, does it turns off background or simply sets background to nothing?
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14:54:59Unhelpfulb42: multitasking is probably not so much the issue as arranging some sort of malloc-ish thing that can allocate plugin-buffer-sized chunks at will, and a relocating loader for plugins.
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14:56:54mshathlonxpah c'mon, only visible technical difference between default backdrop and the one is size difference by two bytes and unability to use it...
14:57:07*mshathlonxp has no idea what to try else
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15:00:04Unhelpfulmshathlonxp: so it *is* the correct size? might be to do w/ pixel format or compression...
15:00:22mshathlonxpyes it is
15:00:55*mshathlonxp compared to original one which loads without any problem
15:01:53Unhelpfuldoes the debug sim say *why* a background load was failed?
15:02:11mshathlonxpdebug what?
15:02:35mshathlonxpthere's no error message
15:02:55mshathlonxpsimply default backdrop is turned off
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15:04:17Unhelpful...the simulator. one built w/ debugging enabled. :P
15:05:59mshathlonxphm, now default backdrop doesn't loads until I turn it off and on, but my backdrop doesn't loads that way either
15:09:23stripwaxtry loading and then resaving from microsoft paintbrush?
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15:12:52*mshathlonxp is trying to paste error message from simulator
15:13:16mshathlonxpread_bmp_file: can't open '/.rockbox/backdrops/lole_seja.bmp', rc: -1
15:13:22mshathlonxpwhat is that supposed to mean?
15:15:42mshathlonxpUnhelpful any ideas?
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15:19:48[Saint][01:33] <mshathlonxp> if I've removed previous background, does it turns off background or simply sets background to nothing? <−−-same thing
15:20:28mshathlonxpthat question isn't actual anymore
15:20:48[Saint]it still aplies.
15:20:58[Saint]you asked, I answered.
15:21:25mshathlonxpwell, thanks for your answer
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15:22:17[Saint]What are you creating these bitmaps with?
15:22:30[Saint]Have you tried a "sene" ie. "well known" editor?
15:22:51mshathlonxpat first I used gwenview, but it was creating 320x239 instead, this time I used irfanview
15:23:34mshathlonxpare you suggesting ms paint? :D
15:24:05[Saint]What would be wrong with that?
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15:24:19mshathlonxplet's give it a try
15:24:35[Saint]At least it can *create* the image, instead of trying to convert one that might already be broken for whatever reason.
15:25:13mshathlonxpwell, I can't use just ms paint anyway
15:25:16[Saint]Oh, Hmmm...irfanview can do that too now apparently.
15:25:20[Saint]Hmmm, it;s been a while.
15:25:48[Saint][02:25] <mshathlonxp> well, I can't use just ms paint anyway <−−-why not?
15:26:08mshathlonxpbecause I'm not creating backdrop
15:26:16mshathlonxpI'm cropping part of jpg pic
15:26:28[Saint]mspaint can do that too...geeesh
15:26:29mshathlonxpand paint can't do that with reasonable quality
15:26:39mshathlonxpmaybe newest version
15:26:44mshathlonxpthe one that comes with winxp can't
15:27:03[Saint]errr.....yeah, it can.
15:27:45[Saint]regardless...doe sthe quality matter?
15:28:01[Saint]you're just trying to test it at the could be a blank screen for all the test cares
15:30:03mshathlonxpyeah, I'll try that :)
15:30:11*mshathlonxp is trying to locate ms paint executable
15:30:34mshathlonxpfound :)
15:30:42b42Unhelpful: which project are we talking about? (i asked about the multitasking, because it is listed as a needed skill for "Standalone playback core/library")
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15:31:27[Saint]There's really no *need* to test though...the more I think of it.
15:31:50[Saint]If the default backdrop loads...then there's something wrong with the images you're passing it.
15:34:05mshathlonxpstill no luck
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15:34:18[Saint]I mean...if backdrop loading was messed wouldn't see one at all. I don't think we have a way to discriminate against bitmaps made by <random_editor> ;)
15:35:16[Saint]if only *user backdrop* loading is fucked up...there's an easy test for that too.
15:35:32[Saint]that being: replace the cabbieV2 backdrop with yours.
15:36:06[Saint]rename it exactly, if it works...user backdrops are messed up somehow (fine in my current builds), if not, it's your .bmp's that are messed up.
15:37:40[Saint]rename your backdrop to replace the cabbie or <other_theme> backdrop, then reboot the player.
15:38:00mshathlonxpsimulator doesn't loads one of the cabbies now as well
15:38:09mshathlonxpthe one which has resolution in it's filename
15:38:26[Saint]Are you working *just* in the sim? Or on device also?
15:38:43[Saint]I don;t trust the sim to do any more than "look vaguely like Rockbox" anymore personally.
15:39:45mshathlonxpfirst device, after that sim
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15:40:49[Saint]The sim has like 0 ability to give skin related debug info anymore...which is a crying shame in this instance.
15:40:59mshathlonxpfile replacement works
15:41:23mshathlonxpwell, as I copied before, it shows file open error
15:42:05[Saint]yeah, it used to give incredibly verbose debug info. very useful for skin authors, but it...broke.
15:42:46[Saint]Hmmm...right, if you can confirm that user bitmap loading fails on device, it would be more use.
15:43:03[Saint]I can't personally, with current something's weird.
15:43:20*mshathlonxp now can confirm
15:43:43mshathlonxpI have another idea what to try
15:44:00[Saint]I can't see how it could be device specific...but, weirder things have happened.
15:44:18[Saint]Working fine on my Nanos and Color
15:51:22mshathlonxpit loads file "cabbiev2.bmp"
15:51:38mshathlonxpregardless if it's original cabbiev2.bmp or one of mine renamed
15:52:16[Saint]so...user backdrops are inexplicably broken...and only on the Video (apparently)..weird.
15:53:02mshathlonxpmaybe I'll try current version
15:53:11*mshathlonxp video is running 3.8 at the moment
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15:56:57mshathlonxpbut if simulator is current version, I guess I should expect the same
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16:02:57mshathlonxpyeah, the same
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16:03:46mshathlonxpand setting "cabbiev2.bmp" as backdrop sets the one which is @ backdrop folder, not something else
16:04:12mshathlonxpthat means I should try to copy one of my files in backdrop folder and try it
16:04:25[Saint]that's what I suggested ages ago.
16:04:42mshathlonxpno no, with my name
16:05:02mshathlonxpnot cabbiev2.bmp or something else
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16:07:20mshathlonxpyeah, that works
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16:14:36[Saint]Add a bug report
16:14:56[Saint]"User backdrop cannot be applied unless located in /backdrops"
16:15:15[Saint]s/applied/applied manually/
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16:27:49kugel[Saint]: that's not a bug
16:28:48kugelyou can apply backrops outside /.rockbox/backdrops, but they won't be restored after reboot
16:28:58[Saint]'s not? A user backdrop used to be able to be applied from anywhere on the disk?
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16:29:11AlexPare you sure about that?
16:29:32mshathlonxpkugel yeah right
16:29:43mshathlonxpI guess black background means it's not applied
16:30:05kugelthis behavior is perhaps questionable, but not a bug
16:30:27mshathlonxpwell then bug is option "set as backdrop" in menu then :D
16:30:29[Saint]I'm pretty sure it used to work...not confident, but pretty damn sure.
16:30:36AlexPI'm not
16:30:42*mshathlonxp grabs 1G nano
16:30:48mshathlonxplet's try with it
16:31:04kugelI'm very certain it always worked this way
16:31:19gevaertsWell, not *always*
16:31:31gevaertsThe Player never did backdrops in the old days :)
16:32:13kugeloops :)
16:32:38mshathlonxpwhat was the resolution of that nano thing?
16:35:52mshathlonxplooks like it works the same way
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16:36:09AlexPwell yes
16:36:28AlexPRockbox works the same across targets when not limited by hardware differences
16:36:47[Saint]Yes, I only loaded backdrops from my /backdrops I expected the user application method to be the failpoint, not it;s location.
16:37:18[Saint]being able to select "set as backdrop" for a bitmap not in the /bacdrops dir seems a little broken.
16:37:18mshathlonxpso I guess the bug is that it shouldn't show such option or it should copy the same file to /backdrops when set as backdrop :)
16:37:29AlexPIt isn't a bug
16:37:33AlexPas kugel has said
16:37:48AlexPIt does set it, so the option is correct
16:37:49[Saint]it's a "thing that needs looking at", but not a bug specifically, no.
16:38:04AlexPWe shouldn't copy things about unless told to
16:38:17AlexPSo you could have en e.g. "set permanently" option that would
16:38:21*mshathlonxp would like to call it bug because it offers what it can't do :)
16:38:27AlexPNo, it doesn't
16:38:35AlexPIt sets it as the backdrop, does it not?
16:38:38[Saint]I think the problem is that there's no reason for a user to think it won;t be permanent.
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16:38:50AlexPOh yes, I'm not saying it is perfect
16:38:50mshathlonxpit offers me set "lole.bmp" as backdrop but it doesn't
16:38:54AlexPyes, it does
16:39:00AlexPIt just isn't permanent
16:39:11AlexPI agree it is slightly confusing, but it does do what it says
16:39:14mshathlonxpwell, is it for one milisecond?
16:39:22mshathlonxpfor one frame?
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16:39:29AlexPI can't be bothered
16:39:32AlexPDo what you want
16:39:39[Saint] you're saying it isn't applying the backdrop *at all* mshathlonxp?
16:40:02mshathlonxpI guess it sets such backdrop in config but doesn't loads it because there is no such file in /backdrops
16:40:16AlexPyeah, guessing works well
16:40:40mshathlonxpwell, I would like to call "set" when it shows backdrop, not black background
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16:41:02[Saint]well, yeah...the apparent limitation of the file needing to be in /backdrops I was not aware of.
16:41:15[Saint]in that respect the "set as backdrop" menu is broken.
16:41:41[Saint]if that context isn't called from the backdrops dir, it shouldn't be accessible.
16:42:18mshathlonxpor it should copy that file to /backdrops
16:42:22gevaertsCan we get a clear answer here? Is the problem that the backdrop isn't set *at all*, or that it doesn't survive a reboot?
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16:42:48mshathlonxpisn't set at all if looking from user viewpoint
16:42:55gevaertsCan we get a clear answer here? Is the problem that the backdrop isn't set *at all*, or that it doesn't survive a reboot?
16:43:05[Saint]gevaerts: actually both.
16:43:25[Saint]it's not set at all depending on location, and a user backdrop never survives a reboot.
16:43:34[Saint]so both.
16:43:41mshathlonxpwell, black background survives reboot
16:43:56mshathlonxpis it auto set to "no backdrop"?
16:43:59[Saint]black backgroun == no background.
16:44:43mshathlonxpwhat I got when I try set as background file not present in /backdrops as well
16:45:53[Saint]Huh? so if you set a backdrop (from outside the /backdrops dir), and a file of the same name is in the /backdrops sets the one in the backdrops dir?
16:46:28[Saint]Ok, yeah...that's messed up.
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16:54:54gevaerts[Saint]: what do you mean by "a user backdrop never survives a reboot"? I just set a backdrop manually and rebooted, and it was still there
16:56:17gevaertskugel, AlexP: loading backdrops from outside .rockbox/backdrops does indeed seem to be broken
16:56:20[Saint]where did you set it from?
16:57:25[Saint]yes, that's expected to work. I guess I should have been more clear, "setting a user backdrop from elsewhere than the backdrops dir", rather.
16:57:48gevaertsSo when you said "it's not set at all depending on location, and a user backdrop never survives a reboot", you meant to say the same thing twice?
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16:58:00[Saint]that's apparently not expected to survive a boot, which is news to me, but something I consider broken.
16:59:20gevaertsLook, I don't care what users expect to work that isn't expected by developers. I care about what actually *happens*. If you keep mixing everything up, don't expect people to keep taking your reports seriously
17:01:32mshathlonxpgevaerts shouldn't developers expect that users will expect that every menu option will work? :)
17:01:42gevaertsmshathlonxp: shut up, now
17:01:51*mshathlonxp runs away
17:03:06AlexPgevaerts: OK
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17:04:56tguinotMhh I still don't see any mentor for the Dock subject (GSOC) does anybody know who it can be?
17:05:23AlexPtguinot: For sansas in particular?
17:05:48AlexPI think it is one of those that will be more a multi dev effort than a very specific person
17:06:24AlexPWhat I'd suggest for this one is to post to the rockbox-dev mailing list
17:06:40AlexPAs then multiple people can chime in without all being here at once
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17:13:03piggzhi, rockbox 3. just bricked my ipod 5.5g :) ....... just says 'scanning disk'
17:13:22AlexPyou didn't brick it
17:13:28AlexPand what version?
17:13:39AlexPdid you turn dircache on?
17:15:43AlexPOr maybe it is default now (/me should check)
17:15:48rasherI think it is
17:15:55rasherDefault changed didn't it?
17:16:20AlexPI have wanted it to for ages, but I must have missed the actual change (or just can't remember) :)
17:16:33AlexPpiggz: In which case just wait a little
17:17:16piggzAlexP: bah, i just put it in disk mode and installed current build :)
17:17:25AlexPWill do the same thing
17:17:44gevaertsAlexP: depends
17:17:59gevaertsThere's the ATA DMA issue some people have with 3.8
17:18:08gevaertsIf that's the problem, a current build will fix it
17:18:18piggzgevaerts: yes, i found some other ppl sayig it hung 5.5g devices
17:19:28AlexPgevaerts: ah yes, I assumed it was just doing the dircache scan
17:19:41piggzgevaerts: AlexP: yes, current build boots fine now
17:19:48AlexPah, great
17:19:55AlexPI really want to get 3.8.1 out
17:20:12gevaertsAlexP: yes, but the dircache scan accesses the disk :)
17:20:31piggzwas hoping to get the rumoured 3second boot....but still takes a while (ipod sleep mode would be nice! :P )
17:21:43AlexPgevaerts: indeed :)
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17:49:25gevaertsok, backdrop loading outside .rockbox/backdrops was broken by r28073/r28074
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17:54:39gevaertsIf I understand the change correctly, it now first updates the setting and then applies it, where the behaviour used to be to set the backdrop and update the setting independently
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18:15:44*gevaerts submitted FS #12041 about this
18:19:35[Saint]the patch is a nice addition.
18:20:28gevaertsI'm not sure what the "proper" fix should be
18:21:12[Saint]I was wondering that myself just now, however sane it is to load backdrops from the backdrops dir, is forcing it necessary?
18:21:31gevaertsRequiring absolute paths would be rather annoying for themes, especially in the modern world where the path isn't always .rockbox/backdrops
18:23:25gevaertsActually, the context menu provides absolute paths that start with /, so it should be possible to assume .rockbox/backdrops in case the name doesn't start with / and absolute paths otherwise
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18:42:19gevaerts[Saint]: there doesn't seem to be any support for file settings with absolute paths...
18:42:52[Saint]Hm :/
18:43:18[Saint]So, your patch is correct.
18:43:54gevaertsWell, I'm not giving up *yet*
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18:44:54[Saint]well, no..of course not. But if it's not going to be trivial, it at least removes potential confusion until support for absolute paths is added.
18:45:02gevaertsoh, of course there isn't
18:45:14[Saint]Unless you feel that the patch just gives a reason to not fix it later.
18:45:17gevaertsThat's just a strlcpy(), no point in having a dedicated function
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18:48:44kugelgevaerts: dont we want get back to the old behavior instead?
18:49:13gevaertskugel: I'm not sure
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18:49:52kugelI mean, I don't care afterall, but I thought the old behavior was intended
18:50:22gevaertsFrom the brief look I had, the new code structure makes it a bit awkward to have the old behaviour
18:50:31gevaertsAnd I think the new code structure makes sense
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19:24:51gevaerts[Saint_]: another patch for you to test
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19:27:10leavittxhi! where is set path for installing raaa sdl app? (e.g. /usr/local)
19:27:57gevaertsThe configure −−prefix option
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19:54:23leavittxoh, i run configure with −−prefix=./foo and the app doesn't get any codecs/themes/etc
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19:55:18gevaertsdid you install?
19:56:23gevaerts−−prefix probably needs an absolute path
19:57:55leavittxit works now! realpath allows to use relative path ;)
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20:03:29kugelit should use realpath
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20:10:38jawshow do I determine whether my player crashed with the screen off and is not bricked?
20:11:39gevaertsWhat model is it?
20:16:12jawsgevaerts: Sansa clip v2 4Gb
20:16:46gevaertsjaws: ok. If you plug in your headphones, do you hear a click?
20:17:11gevaertsjaws: actually, first of all, have you tried holding the power switch for a long time, like up to a minute?
20:19:42jawsgevaerts: just did that. screen continues completely off.
20:21:51jawsgevaerts: plugging headphones results in no sound at all either
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20:31:26jawsgevaerts: taking the thing appart is just... awfully complicated. and now sure if I can even access the recovery mode. USB does not work either. Maybe i can get a discounted player
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