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#rockbox log for 2011-04-05

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00:01:14Buschelsaratoga: I seem to have a solution for the resume issue that will not change too much code. ->
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00:01:57saratogaBuschel: I've never even looked at playlist.c so i'm not much help here
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00:13:56Buschelkugel, JdGordon|, n1s: you seem to have worked a bit on the playlist implementation in the past months. could you please take a look at FS #12043 and the attached patch?
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00:30:01phcoderHello, guys. Today I've installed rockbox on my ipod 6G. Thank you very much. Very good job. Is someone working on WMA support? If no which code can I take as the base? (I think I would be able to transform float arithmetics into integer ones)
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00:44:41AlexPphcoder: we support wma
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00:45:56phcoderAlexP: Ok. Then it was some outdated page which claimed that you needed someone to do the math.
00:46:05AlexPvery very outdated
00:46:11AlexPwe support wma pro too
00:47:01AlexP is probably a bit more up to date
00:50:01phcoderIs USB mass storage protocol operated in hardware or rockbox? I thought of playing a bit with the protocol, in particular emulate 512byte sectors to allow to boot from ipod
00:50:31phcoderIs ipod co-processor already supported?
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00:50:56AlexPdepends on the player, some are hardware usb, some are software
00:51:10AlexPAs yes, the co-processor is supported
00:51:15gevaertsIf you want to play with that sort of thing, may be a good start
00:51:18AlexPand used for various codecs etc.
00:51:34gevaertsWhat co-processor do you mean exactly, an which ipod?
00:51:42phcoderwhy is HE-AAC not realtime then?
00:51:50AlexPI was assuming the dual core bit
00:51:58phcodergevaerts: ipod 6G (classic 1G)
00:52:07AlexPoh, dunno on that
00:52:12AlexPIs it even dual-core?
00:52:20AlexPI was talking about all the previous ipods
00:52:36gevaertsIt's not dual-core, no. There might be some dsp bit in it, I don't know...
00:52:38AlexPwhere dual core 80 MHz is not enough for HE-AAC
00:53:53phcoderI think it's purpose-build co-processor or ASIC for MPEG4 and AAC
00:54:48AlexPI doubt we use anything like that
00:54:57AlexPTheSeven is the man to talk to about the 6G
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00:56:23*TheSeven extends his ears
00:56:30AlexPsee above :)
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00:57:13TheSeveni don't know of any coprocessor, except for maybe a h.264 decoder or some part of it
00:58:11TheSeven[00:50] <phcoder> Is USB mass storage protocol operated in hardware or rockbox? << that's all software
00:58:38pixelmaAlexP: I *believe* that the only codec really using both cores is mp3 also (and on mpegplayer the cores are also shared)
00:59:08pixelmanot a 100% sure though
00:59:11gevaertsThat matches my memory
00:59:13AlexPpixelma: Right, but it itself is "supported" in that it can be used :)
00:59:15TheSevenphcoder: can the apple firmware even play he-aac?
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00:59:24TheSevenlc-aac should work fine on it IIRC
00:59:27AlexPpixelma: anyway, wrong ipods in the end :)
00:59:33TheSeven(with software decoding)
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00:59:51pixelmaAlexP: only about the HE-AAC
01:01:27phcoderTheSeven: Would have to recheck. H264 is surely supported in original firmware
01:03:07TheSevenyeah, but so far I have no idea if they do it in software or hardware
01:03:18TheSevensome hardware acceleration seems likely at least
01:04:50phcoderTheSeven: have you identified all the chips in iphone disect?
01:05:54TheSeventhe most important ones at least
01:06:06TheSevenbut that kind of thing would be in the CPU and not a separate chip
01:06:24TheSevenand as that's a custom apple CPU, we don't really know anything about it
01:07:27phcoderHave you cross-checked with Apple patents?
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01:14:35phcodergoing to sleep. Good night all
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01:18:28saratogabaseline profile at 640x480 definitely has hardware scaling and YUV conversion, not sure if you'd need hardware for the decoder
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01:48:58num1your website appears to be misconfigured
01:49:16num1when I try to talk to it, ipv6 fails to connect and I must fall back on ipv4
01:49:31num1this process takes about 90 seconds
01:52:53saratogaunfortunately its the middle of the night for the people who run the webserver, so you're probably going to want to come back during the day in Europe in order to get someone who knows about that
01:57:13JdGordon|are we even setup for ipv6?
02:01:15saratogaha the spam thing caught your posts now
02:03:10num1sure thing, I can come back in 8 or 12 hours
02:03:14num1and yeah you are
02:03:26num1brian@kramer:~$ host has address has IPv6 address 2a00:1a28:1200:9::2
02:03:27DBUGEnqueued KICK num1 mail is handled by 10
02:03:29num1sorry for the line spam
02:08:28JdGordon|akismet is more trouble than its worth
02:09:52JdGordon|,27659.msg179798.html#msg179798 hehe
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02:17:27saratogaPM him and ask him to please read the new port forum rules before posting there
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05:06:39JdGordon|S_a_i_n_t: you drongo.... did you try that change?
05:07:27S_a_i_n_tI haven't had a chance to yet, well...I've had plenty of chance to but KEYTOOL isn't playing nice with me.
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06:54:17num1If I have my timezones correct, england should be waking up soon
06:54:30num1actually scratch that, europe should be waking up soon
06:54:43num1is there anybody here that works on the website?
07:00:32JdGordon|that would be Bagder or Zagor..
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14:04:43kugelZagor: the live log viewer doesn't work well in ff4
14:05:27Zagoraha, so they finally dumped it?
14:06:27Zagorit will replaced with web sockets, whenever they put that foot down
14:07:51B4gderany year now! =)
14:07:52Buschelkugel: that's the euphemistic view ;)
14:09:03kugelit doesn't work at all with default settings; and only partly with html5.enable set to false (that helped in previous versions)
14:09:17kugelZagor: can we do somethign about it?
14:09:37ZagorI don't know. it depends on what they changed.
14:10:15CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
14:10:15*kugel would be fine with at least a way to disable live updating
14:10:50Zagoroh, so it's even worse than "not working"?
14:11:10*Buschel filed a bug report and then went back to 3.6.16
14:11:21n1sprevious ff is a bit broken with the live updating too
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14:12:08kugelZagor: it's not viewable
14:14:31Zagorkugel: try now
14:15:13kugellive updates seems disabled; it shows the entire log and I get the notice
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14:29:45kugelI posted my application draft to the gsoc page now
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14:37:35Luca_Sbertrik (for the logs): one of your recent AMSv2 SD changes broke uSD on my player. Latest SVN version on FuzeV2 variant 0: the card is recognized fine and I can browse folder fine, but locks pretty much immediately when playing music from uSD. The player unresponsive until I eject uSD, at that point it resumes working fine.
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14:38:02Luca_SThe card is a Sandisk Class 6 8GB.
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14:42:37sideralLuca_S: Please post this to FS #11870 −− it's likely to get lost here
14:44:13sideralLuca_S: Also, it would be great if you could bisect (binary-search and test) the revision history to check which commit caused the breakage
14:46:44Luca_Sdone. Thanks sideral.
14:47:10sideralthanks Luca_S!
14:48:59num1anybody who maintains the website here?
14:49:23num1your ipv6 is broken on
14:49:25num1that is all
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14:50:57gevaertsnum1: known problem, the ISP has been contacted
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14:51:20num1gevaerts, cool.
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15:19:20[Saint]mshathlonxp: (option 3 or 4)
15:19:55[Saint]3 supports dual-boot, 4 does not.
15:22:50[Saint]mshathlonxp: Methos 3 will boot the OF slightly slower than the standard method of installation, but if you only use it occasionally that's not really an issue.
15:23:49*mshathlonxp is too lazy to change something that works acceptably :)
15:24:38[Saint]it's running ipodpatcher as a commandline instruction and entering 2 commands you can c/p right out of the wiki ;p
15:25:13mshathlonxpwhat's the "disk stop" value for flash based ipods?
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16:16:21mshathlonxphow does the rockbox uses the playback buffer when song is bigger than buffer - is that song filled as much as possible or some data from song and beginning from next song?
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16:17:19mshathlonxpwhich one?
16:17:36B4gderoh if the song is larger than the buffer, then as much as possible of the song is loaded
16:17:50B4gderand then it loads more when it reaches a particular low-water-mark
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16:18:19B4gderand when it reaches the end of the song, it starts loading the next
16:18:47gevaertsBut what if it's an orchestral piece?
16:19:10B4gderthen you need to sing along!
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16:27:03HillshumDoes it make a big difference which TTS engine I choose?
16:30:09Tornethe biggest difference, surely
16:30:21Tornedifferent TTS engine -> voice will be generated totally differently
16:31:23HillshumBut will I notice? My Clip+'s screen died, and I'm hoping to get voicing working
16:31:34B4gderyou will notice, yes
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16:32:26HillshumWill I care?
16:32:50B4gderyou may prefer one voice compared to the others
16:33:23Tornethe TTS engine determines *everything* about what the voice sounds like
16:33:26HillshumI don't need one installed to use the menu voices right? Those aren't working
16:33:36Torneyou need a TTS engine to generate voice samples, for anything
16:33:57Torneif you are downloading our precreated voice files you don't need to generate those.
16:34:21HillshumRButil downloads the precreated ones right?
16:35:48Torneif you tell it to
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16:44:36[Saint]mshathlonxp: fwiw, if you can compile your own build...telling your video it now has a flash disk is a one line change.
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16:45:43HillshumMy .rockbox folder seems corrupt in Windows. Any ideas why?
16:46:29[Saint]Hillshum: There's a number of ways this may have happened.
16:46:38HillshumAnd what do to about it?
16:47:27*Hillshum doesn't have admin rights
16:47:41[Saint]that's going to be problematic.
16:47:56HillshumI think I'll boot my laptop into Ubuntu
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16:56:36[Saint]Hillshum: I use eSpeak with mBrola personally.
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16:57:05[Saint]It's quite highly configurable, and sounds better than plain 'ol MS Sam ;)
16:57:37Hillshum[Saint]: I picked espeak, once I get things working I might try others
16:58:08[Saint]eSpeak (in my opinion) is vastly improved by using mBrola
17:00:08HillshumWhere is the RButil cache found?
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17:10:45[Saint]Hillshum: Did you install to the default location?
17:10:55[Saint]if so: \Program Files\RockBox Utility\rbutil-cache
17:11:00HillshumI didn't install
17:11:21[Saint]then....why would you expect to find a cache?
17:11:32[Saint]I'm missing the point perhaps ;)
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17:13:08HillshumIt was my understanding that rbutil isn't installed, the binary is just left somewhere. It's on my Desktop; I see no folder that that might be a cache.
17:14:09[Saint]Hmmm...perhaps I did place it in Program Files manually...
17:15:40[Saint]regardless, the cache is in a folder named rbutil-cache in my Rockbox Utility folder (I did do that manually now come to think if it)
17:16:03[Saint]if it's present, searching for "rbutil-cache" will find it.
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17:17:22HillshumI'll look around. It's been using cached downloads, so I assume it has a cache somewhere
17:17:49[Saint]I know I didn't place the cache there manually.
17:18:43[Saint]Oh, maybe I did.
17:19:34[Saint]Hillshum: launch rbutil, click "File", click "Configure", click the "Cache" tab.
17:22:20[Saint]From there, you can a: see the current path, and b: set a new one if desired.
17:23:07[Saint]Apologies for my assumption that it installed there automatically. I forgot I had placed it in that location myself.
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17:28:09bluebrotherHillshum: Rockbox Utilitys cache should be in the system temp folder
17:28:28HillshumIt's in a temp folder at the user level
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17:56:58HillshumCan the voice system speak tags in the database?
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18:06:42[Saint]Hillshum: No
18:07:04Hillshumthe cache folder?
18:07:19[Saint]the cache folder?
18:07:35[Saint]The database cannot be voiced.
18:07:51[Saint]Only the filebrowser, and only if you make .talk files
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19:13:33AlexP_Right, any objects to a 3.8.1 then?
19:13:44AlexP_Please check/add/edit to
19:16:01*LambdaCalculus37 has no objections
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19:16:54gevaertsLooks good
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19:29:16bertrikAlexP_, there are some issues after all with some of the recent AMSv2 sd fixes in 3.8.1, so please delay the release a bit.
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19:29:43bertrikThere's a report of a fuzev2 variant 1 not working properly on FS #11870
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19:34:52bertriksorry, variant Fuzev2 variant 0
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19:43:32gevaertsbertrik: any idea on what "a bit" means?
19:44:34bertrikabout 3 days to a week
19:45:41bertrikassuming the 3.8.1 release was imminent
19:46:30bertrikI think it can be fixed by reverting two commits, so at least until we have confirmation that reverting those fixes it
19:47:27gevaertsThe thing is that we've been waiting for a while for the ams fixes now, which doesn't really help PP users
19:48:53saratogahas anyone else confirmed Luca's problem? my variant 0 clip+ has no issues
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19:49:06AlexP_It was going to be today :)
19:49:18AlexP_As 3.8 is quite broken for quite a few targets
19:49:26bertrikI have a clip+ variant 0 and I have no problems either, but Luca has a fuze v2
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19:49:51leavittxHi! I'm trying to make a new raaa port (using sdl). What is "sim_tasks.h" header? Why it may be not generated for me?
19:50:20bertrikgevaerts, Alexp, I understand, and I apologise for having committed changes that now turn out to break things, I could have been more conservative
19:50:34AlexP_It's OK :)
19:50:40gevaertsbertrik: I'm not blaming you :)
19:51:19gevaertsI'm just thinking that in hindsight we should have released 3.8.1 weeks ago with the PP ATA DMA fix, and left the AMS stuff for 3.8.2
19:51:34AlexP_yes, that would have been better
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19:51:49AlexP_But I didn't know the sd stuff would still be going on
19:52:11AlexP_(which isn't a problem)
19:52:13gevaertsIndeed not
19:52:23AlexP_This is the advantage of hindsight :)
19:52:30gevaertsBut I think we now have to set a firm cut off date
19:53:44AlexP_bertrik: Is a few days realistic, or would you rather we release without the SD stuff now, and do a 3.8.2 in a week or two?
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19:55:55bertrikLuca mentioned a release that *does* work for him, we can revert the patches that went in after those in 3.8.1, and do a 3.8.1 real soon now.
19:56:23bertrikThen I think we can fix the sd problems in trunk and put them in 3.8.2
19:56:32AlexP_OK, sounds good :)
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19:57:00AlexP_So it is Tuesday, shall we say release on Friday? Is that enough?
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19:59:36bertrikYes, fine for me. I hope Luca joins the channel tonight (I invited him to come here) so we can pinpoint the offending patches instead of wholesale reverting the latest patches.
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20:02:49AlexP_great :)
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20:12:19bertrikgevaerts, you have a fuzev2 variant 0 too, right? Can you reproduce the problem at Luca Leonardo Scorcia (LucaLeonardoScorcia) - Tuesday, 05 April 2011, 13:46 GMT+1 in FS #11870?
20:14:07gevaertsbertrik: I'll try in a bit. Eating now...
20:14:18AlexPheh, I have a fuze v2 :)
20:14:22AlexPI forgot about that
20:14:49AlexPvariant 0 too
20:14:59AlexPbertrik: What would you like testing? :)
20:15:47AlexPbertrik: needs to SDHC?
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20:16:01bertrikAlexP, see if uSD is visible in the Files menu and that you can play music from the uSD. Please also look if the button light acts strangly (won't go on or off, or flickers on sd access)
20:16:30AlexPrighto, just need to find a cable and update first
20:16:32bertrikAlexP, if you have a few different uSD cards, please try them all, it doesn't *have* to be SDHC
20:16:40AlexPwill do
20:17:54bertrikI don't expect any difference between trunk and 3.8.1, they are the same w.r.t. sd fixes
20:18:59AlexPI'm doing 3.8.1, just because I'm on it
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20:26:59AlexPbertrik: Works perfectly here - 16GB µSD, can browse it and play music without issue. Button light is normal. I can eject and insert the µSD with Rockbox running without problems
20:27:06AlexPI'll just find some other cards
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20:30:43AlexPbertrik: 2GB µSD also works perfectly
20:31:05saratogaif its not a wide spread problem lets just release
20:31:29saratogaits still a huge improvement on amsv2 even if its not perfect
20:31:33AlexPLet's let gevaerts check when he has finished eating :)
20:31:40AlexPbut here it seems fine
20:31:59u42panything i could test for you on a clip+?
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20:32:36saratogasd cards if you want, but we think they're mostly working now
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20:33:13u42pi only got one and its working
20:44:13gevaertshm, seems to work for me
20:44:20bertrikhm, so maybe it's turning out to be a lot of worry about a small (if any) problem. He did also have another patch applied (AMSv2 USB), that could possibly also have some influence
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20:58:15nettechHello all! Does ayone know the file system that is used for the Recovery partition of the Sansa Clip+ ? Currently, the device is showing m200plus and it was formatted as Fat32 by mistake, so i can't get the RB bootloader (or rockbox 3.8 Base) to boot. I just get a blank screen. Thanks!
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21:00:12TorneThere is no filesystem in recovery mode
21:01:32Tornewhat actually happened, what did you try, etc
21:02:57saratogathe clip+ doesn't even really have a recovery mode
21:03:09saratogajust some disk that shows up once you've destroyed the player
21:04:43nettechI was running Rockbox 3.8 previously. I decided to open up the sansa and placed a jumper over the recovery pins . I got the sansa to show me the m200plus partition, but then a mistake of formatting the partition (entirely my own stupid fault)
21:05:14Tornethat's not a partition, it's the entire flash, no?
21:05:17nettechso now it always comes up in m200plus mode, and I cant restore the bootloader
21:05:22Torneand formatting it is just like writing anything else invalid on there
21:05:32Torneyou need to copy the original firmware onto it
21:05:43Torneonto the raw device, not a filesystem
21:07:03[Saint]funman had some fun with this...
21:07:25nettechyes, that is what I tried, but I assume that because I trased the origional File system by formatting it with Fat32, the player can no longer recognize any file i place on it.
21:07:43TorneThere is no filesystem
21:07:59TorneYou don't put the original firmware on there by copying it onto a filesystem
21:08:09Torneyou write the file directly to the device using a tool like dd
21:08:14AlexPbertrik, gevaerts, saratoga: So what is the verdict - it works for gevaerts and me, so ignore this? Or wait for him to try some tests?
21:08:23[Saint]you need a copy of what is on that partition from a working player I believe.
21:08:42saratogai think we should release
21:08:45nettechahh okay. I will try that next.
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21:08:50gevaertsAlexP: ignore this and mention in the release notes that people may have microSD problems in which case they should go back to 3.8
21:09:13nettechThanks for the info .!!!
21:09:21saratogai suspect that anyone with sd problems in 3.8.1 probably won't be able to use 3.8 either
21:09:25saratogaso no real loss
21:09:39saratogameanwhile the vast majority win
21:09:51[Saint]I'm going by menory here (which is dangerous for me) but I believe that copying the firmware to that partition is enough to get RB working, but the OF expecs some other magic to be on there.
21:11:51AlexPgevaerts, saratoga, bertrik: OK, building :)
21:11:53***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:12:01nettechAhh I see. hmm.. that probably means it will not be easy to get it to run again. OK, I will have to accept that. It was my fault for hitting "format" too fast before realizing that it was not supposed to be formatted.
21:12:20saratogai don't think formatting it really broke anything
21:12:42saratogait was already apparently garbage on the nand if you ended up needing to open the player
21:12:54bertrikok, fine with me to release 3.8.1 too
21:13:10[Saint]I'm not sure of the legality of it, but you need some kind soul with the same player to give you a copy of the FW partition.
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21:13:42AlexPbertrik: I do wonder what is up with the other chap's player then
21:13:55nettechYes, that may be it. I cant DD just clippa.bin.
21:14:25nettechI need the whole disk image
21:14:30bertrikregarding clip+ recovery mode, I've seen some reports of getting a 4 MB drive in recovery mode, I think I had a 32 MB one. I wonder the devs have really seen all bootloader levels.
21:14:52saratoga4MB one usually means you didn't short the pins right i think
21:15:10bertrikCould it be a RAM loader of some kind perhaps?
21:16:13bertrikI don't remember seeing a m200plus partition when I did recovery
21:16:27saratogai think Torne argued that it was just dead code on the chips ROM exposing memory that didn't exist
21:16:36saratogaIIRC you can't actually write to it
21:16:38gevaertsbertrik: I guess "partition" means "device id" there
21:16:44Tornea theory
21:16:51nettechsorry, let me clarify. I see the sansa as a USB device called "m200plus"
21:17:17nettechthe drive just shows up as an undefined USB mass storage device of 4mb
21:17:47[Saint]yes, iiuc the 4mb is the FW partition.
21:17:50bertrikcan you dd something to it, then read it back?
21:18:18bertrikthe firmware is bigger than 4 MB
21:19:06nettechyes, it writes and reads fine, but it is now partitioned as FAT32, as per my formatting it when i should have just left it alone
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21:19:49bertrikdoes the contents of this partition survive a power cycle?
21:20:03 Part sol0
21:20:26nettechit survives a power down and disconnect from the USB port
21:20:49nettechbasically working like a Flash Drive now only.
21:21:14*nettech Doh!
21:22:26*nettech tries fdisk to kill the FAT32 partition
21:23:12gevaertsnettech: why?
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21:23:33gevaertsIt's a raw device, it doesn't *want* a partition table in the first place
21:28:00nettechyou are right! I guess DD 'ing the image is the best way to recover.
21:28:50*nettech Looks for DD on Mac OSX. hehehe!
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21:31:38saratogaDD'ing isn't going to help unless you get the 32MB device to appear
21:33:04nettechOk. I will jumper the recovery pins again, and try again
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21:37:40u42pmy 4mb clip+ is on its way to theseven now
21:38:12[7]u42p: thanks :)
21:38:17u42pah, there you are
21:38:34u42pi consider it as finally having donated to the project ;)
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21:38:51u42phope you can make any use of it
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21:41:58saratogawtachi: ping
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21:51:57sideral(catching up with the log)
21:51:57sideralbertrik: Probably too late, but a possible way ahead would have been to only include fixes for known problems in 3.8.1, and leave all the cleanups in the trunk only
21:52:42saratogathats pretty much what happened
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21:53:34sideralsaratoga: ? I didn't see any commits reverting cleanups on the 3.8 branch
21:54:14saratogano i mean the sd stuff is mostly just fixes
21:54:49sideralplus some cleanups, one of which breaks Luca's FuzeV2
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21:57:15Luca_Shello everybody
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21:57:54Luca_Scan anybody tell me how can I revert a specific revision?
21:58:47Luca_Si'd like to svn update then remove r29667 and r29656, as instructed by bertrik
21:59:12sideralHi Luca_S, thanks for dropping by again. I'm afraid it's too late for 3.8.1, but if you'd like to help testing this anyway, go ahead :)
21:59:12sideralAre you using git or svn?
22:00:00Luca_Si'm happy to be of some help, after all if i'm the only one with a problem, i'll have a workable solution :)
22:00:17saratogaupdate -r revision_number
22:00:28sideralsvn merge -r <endrev>:<startrev>
22:00:45saratogaah yeah thats better
22:01:49sideralin this case, svn merge -r 29657:29656, then svn merge -r 29668:29667
22:02:14CIA-87New commit by bluebrother (r29681): Fix a warning.
22:02:51Luca_Sok, I did it as per sideral's command (had to add a dot at the end, right?)
22:03:19sideralno idea, I don't use svn that often these days :)
22:03:33Luca_Scurrently making, thank god I have an ubuntu vm here
22:04:25[Saint]Hmmm...tht's quite different than how I would have done it.
22:04:28[Saint]thanks sideral ;)
22:04:55sideralAh, "svn merge -c -29667" should also work :)
22:05:11sideralmind the negative rev no.
22:05:26pixelmanot sure if that's a good way to test revisions though, what if follow-up and/or other seemingly unrelated changes play a role too?
22:05:50gevaertspixelma: in general that's true
22:06:29sideralpixelma: bertrik's theory is that the bug is in these revs, as Luca_S bisected it down to r29667. r29656 merely depends on the former.
22:06:53sideraler, vice versa
22:07:04CIA-87r29681 build result: All green
22:07:15Luca_Scan I safely assume that since the card works fine in the OF it shouldn't be an hardware problem?
22:07:35Luca_S(i have excluded filesystem issues by running a scandisk)
22:07:47[Saint]Unless the OF does something very broken and out-of-spec, I'd say yes.
22:07:51sideralLuca_S: it's a good working theory, yes :)
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22:10:19Luca_Sif anybody else wants to test, a good way to reproduce the problem was skipping from songs in the internal SD to songs on the uSD
22:12:03sideralah right, gevaerts' and AlexP's testing earlier tonight might have been a bit too shallow to reproduce this problem. it doesn't break right away, right?
22:12:32gevaertsI did try to play stuff from the card, which is what flyspray told me :)
22:13:03sideralOK gevaerts, that's good :)
22:13:15Luca_Ssomething's fishy, rockbox is stuck to the bootloader image? let me check the filesystem again
22:13:51Luca_Si'll disable rockbox usb and use OF for firmware transfer... gonna take a while :(
22:15:29sideralBTW pamaury and jhMikeS, I seem to be able to reproduce the AMSv2 USB ephemeral filesystem corruption regularly on my brand new Clip+. No problems for a long time on my ClipV2, though.
22:16:05sideralIf I manage to find a way to reproduce it reliably, I can start to bisect it
22:16:35Luca_S[ usb on my fuzev2 works very well from a long time, used on windows 7 never gave me 1.1 connections, that's why I always keep it enabled ]
22:17:04Luca_Saha... svn diff shows the wrong files
22:17:21Luca_Si'll try to reapply the reverse changesets
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22:18:03sideraldang, looks like my svn skillz have rottened away, sorry
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22:18:46Luca_Snot too much: svn revert -c works perfectly
22:18:54Luca_Sops svn merge -c
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22:24:55AlexPsideral: I played music from it too
22:25:32sideralAlexP: cool
22:26:41AlexPLuca_S: Can you try with a clean 3.8 branch? No USB or anything
22:26:44Luca_SI'm starting to think that my uSD is haunted.. :) i also have problems with database scanning files on it, EXCEPT if I turn on dircache. coincidence or not, this trick seems to work for the db
22:27:07Luca_SAlexP: sure, as soon as the stupid OF stops updating the db :(
22:27:07AlexPI suspect both mine and gevaerts were absolutely stock, no extra patches and things enabled
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22:30:24sideralNeed to go offline for a while. Luca_S, please keep us posted, and may I ask you to update FS #11870 when you're done?
22:30:35Luca_Swill do. thanks
22:30:43sideralthank you!
22:31:12Luca_Sis there a 3.8.1 build already somewhere?
22:32:43[Saint]bluebrother: Just noticed that RbUtil defaults the TTS speed for SAPI to 10
22:33:21AlexPLuca_S: fuzev2?
22:33:29AlexPof course!
22:33:37[Saint]this makes it absolutely impossible to understand, and it's likely "average joe" expects sane values and wouldn't know why voice was "broken".
22:33:41[Saint]bluebrother: ^
22:34:00Luca_Sthanks, I'd like to test official 3.8 and 3.8.1 just to check..
22:34:01AlexPLuca_S: Give me 5 mins
22:34:13Luca_Scountdown started :D
22:34:16BuscheljhMikeS: you there?
22:34:24AlexPheh :)
22:34:32AlexPIt might be a tad more :)
22:34:42Luca_Sit sure will be: OF is still refreshing!!!
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22:40:36AlexPno probs, thanks for testing
22:40:52AlexPwow, that was quick
22:40:58AlexPIs it the right size?
22:41:10AlexP4MB odd
22:41:18Luca_S4.024.468 bytes
22:42:43Luca_Sok, scandisk says both filesystems are fine... let's start with 3.8
22:44:17Luca_Swill it harm if I hard poweroff the player while the OF is refreshing DB?
22:44:39[Saint]there's a chance it can corrupt the FS
22:45:03Luca_Sok... let's wait then :)
22:50:14kugelgevaerts: I think the reclaiming of memory for audio buffer is not that complicated actually
22:51:01kugeljust make the audio buffer "non-movable", and use the new space at the front of the ring buffer on rebuffering. on rebuffering it should be pretty safe to adjust the ring buffer without stopping playback
22:51:16gevaertskugel: I actually suspect that this will take a lot of hard thinking to check all edge cases, ending up in something rather simple
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22:55:29wtachisaratoga: pong
22:55:42saratogawere you going to submit a GSOC proposal?
22:56:11wtachiyeah, I was also going to work on memory allocation
22:56:24wtachibut I haven't found the time to really look at it
22:56:26saratogawhich one was that?
22:56:41wtachibuflib, the one kugel's working on
22:56:44saratogai thought you were interested in the codec projects
22:56:46saratogaah ok
22:57:06wtachithe codecs did seem interesting, but I only know the basics of DSP and optimization
22:57:13saratogabtw, you're in NC right?
22:57:22saratogawhich school
22:57:25wtachiNC State
22:57:29saratogaah cool
22:57:36saratogagf lives off glennwood
22:58:11kugelwtachi: oh, I thought I'd be pretty much alone with this project
22:58:30saratogawell the codec projects are a lot safer, so if you're interested in that you should talk to me about it
22:58:36Luca_Sok, confirmed: official 3.8 works fine. now, official 3.8.1
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23:01:48wtachihm, now "Codec Library and Optimization" seems interesting
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23:03:47saratogawhat program/year were you in at state?
23:04:04wtachiI'm a Junior in CSC
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23:04:34*wtachi doesn't like that the DSP class only works for EE students
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23:05:51saratogayeah for that reason usually people who do codec stuff are ECE
23:05:56Luca_Sok confirmed: official 3.8.1 locks up when skipping songs on uSD
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23:06:23AlexPhow many times?
23:06:31AlexPI skipped around with no issue
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23:06:47Luca_Sjust two or three skips is enough. I set up the database, then activated shuffle
23:07:12AlexPI don't use the database, but apart from that..
23:07:12Luca_Sthis gives me a playlist where songs are about 50% on the internal SD, 50% on the uSD
23:07:22Luca_Sthen I start playback
23:08:16Luca_Si skip two or three songs and as soon as it arrives on a song that's on uSD it locks up, the disk indicator never goes away, until i eject the uSD. at that point it resumes working, and skips to the next song on internal SD
23:08:49AlexPsame thing here, mixed playlist (but not from database), works perfectly
23:08:57AlexPI can skip around to my heart's content
23:09:19Luca_Snext check: custom build with r29667 and r29656 reverted
23:09:50Luca_SAlexP: my uSD has been picky in the past, I had various db problems that other people couldn't reproduce, it could be that. strange that it works on the OF though
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23:10:09gevaertsMy mixed playlist also seems to be fine
23:10:22AlexPI really can't reproduce, no matter what I do
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23:10:33gevaertsUsing recent svn (from a few hours ago)
23:10:52*AlexP using the just built 3.8.1 RC I uploaded
23:11:34Luca_Sif I'm the only user affected I'll just live with it :)
23:11:53AlexPWell, 1 out of 3 isn't conclusively the only
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23:12:15saratogai don't see how r29656 could impact a variant 0 device though
23:12:31saratogathe entire commit is inside an if(variant == 1) block
23:12:54*gevaerts checks his variant again
23:13:18Luca_Syes, but the previous code wasn't
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23:13:31gevaerts0, as remembered
23:13:37saratogaah stupid, i'm looking at the reverse diff
23:17:34bertrikMy theory is that in variant 0, the button light is controlled by GPIO B5, while in variant 1, the button light is controlled by some PWM output and GPIO B5 is used to switch the sd card command line between internal and external sd.
23:18:23bertrikThe weird thing is that the GPIO B5 direction (input or output) was already surrounded by a if(variant == 1) in the old code
23:18:51bertrikIt just happened to be configured as an output by the backlight/button driver
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23:22:53[Saint]post 3 of "recent posts" (as of right now) is not showing in its thread, but it shows in recent posts.
23:23:02[Saint]I want to reply to it but I canot for this reason.
23:23:09bertrikr29656 did also remove a check on sd_present(SD_SLOT_AS3525), maybe restoring that helps
23:23:10[Saint]it's definitely a human post.
23:24:30gevaerts[Saint]: Chronon's post about the h140?
23:24:52AlexPsideral: thanks
23:24:55AlexPer, [Saint]
23:24:59AlexPDone anyway
23:25:10*[Saint] nods
23:25:32[Saint]gevaerts: No, it's a post from cheenachatze re: RaaA
23:26:09gevaertsI can see that one
23:26:18AlexPIt is there now
23:26:22AlexPI just unmarked them
23:26:25[Saint]In it's thread? you will now, AlexP just fixed it.
23:26:34gevaertsYes, ok :)
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23:29:02*AlexP has lots of builds now
23:29:52nettechDoes anybody have an OF image file that they don't mind sending to me (DCC) so I can DD it to my bricked Sansa Clip+? Sorry, I dont mean to take up a lot of bandwidth here, I am just trying to get Rockbox up and running again.
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23:31:21saratogawtachi: (heading out for a while) the codec library project is also interesting, i suggest pairing it with some specific goal for optimizing one of the currently slow areas (e.g. AAC-HE, the mdct library, etc)
23:31:33saratogaand of course talking to us about what could be put in such a library
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23:32:30saratogayou don't need both a background in dsp or being good at assembly, but either would certainly help
23:32:53Luca_Si HATE bisecting. i did a svn update, then svn update -r 29655. According to my findings as of this morning this was supposed to fix my problem, but the lockup is still there (albeit after a handful more skips). back to square one :(
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23:34:04[Saint]why update, then check out an older revision?
23:34:24bertriknettech, the OF image is exactly 15 MB, it won't fit on the 4 MB
23:34:59*bertrik wonders if the 4 MB is perhaps some kind of lower level bootloader thing
23:35:01[Saint]Luca_S: svn update -r 29655 just reverts the whole tree to that revision.
23:35:09[Saint]It doesn't revert that specific commit.
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23:35:59nettechAhh okay. I was just trying to follow the instructions for unbricking shown on the RockBox wiki.
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23:36:32saratogai thought it was 32MB on the Clip+?
23:37:09saratogareserved space in the SD driver is 0xf000 sectors, which is 64MB, big enough for two copies at once
23:37:33Luca_S[Saint]: yes, I tried it out of frustration since reverting those commits did not work either. I'll resume bisecting.
23:38:05[Saint]what do you mean "didn't work"?
23:38:36Luca_Sthe problem was still present. probably this morning worked by sheer luck.
23:39:07Luca_Sanyway the girlfriend just gave me an unexpected interrupt :P gotta go now. see you tomorrow
23:39:08bertriksaratoga, 0xf000 sectors is 30 MB
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23:40:16[Saint]is the wiki incorrect, or am I looking at the wrong page? it seems to suggest the drive that is exposed by shorting these pads should be far greater than 4 or 32MB
23:40:28[Saint]979.75MB in fact
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23:41:11[Saint] no?
23:42:40nettechI see 979.75mb
23:42:49nettechI have a 4gb sansa clip+
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23:44:06nettechI verified that DD is working ok to xfer to the Flash, I just DD'ed clppa.bin to it, which is 15mb, and it wrote it properly
23:44:52[Saint]so, was the 4MB you reported earlier incorrect? Or did it just "magically work" this time around?
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23:47:55nettechyes it was incorrect, because at that point, i had already removed the jumper for recovery , and re-booted
23:48:22[Saint]Ah, right. Yes, that's bound to fail.
23:49:07bertrikI think there's a good chance it'll work now
23:49:26[Saint]What needs to happen now is you need someone else willing to break down their player and DD the image for you.
23:49:54[Saint]I'm not even sure about the legality of this, so, I won't touch it with a stick.
23:51:39nettechhmm.. okay. I dont want to have that to happen. I guess I will just toss this clip+ and get a new one. Maybe I will upgrade to a fuze.
23:52:26kugelI updated my gsoc proposal with some more thoughts on potential issues
23:52:58bertriknettech, I think you should just unplug it now and reboot it
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23:54:31nettechbertrick, I tried that (just wishful thinking), but still it mounts as m200plus, and the OLED screen is blank
23:56:36bertrikdo you still have the pads bridged?
23:58:57nettechcurrently, no.

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