#rockbox 2011-04-05

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#rockbox log for 2011-04-05

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00:01:14	Buschel	saratoga: I seem to have a solution for the resume issue that will not change too much code. -> http://pastie.org/1756270
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00:01:57	saratoga	Buschel: I've never even looked at playlist.c so i'm not much help here
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00:13:56	Buschel	kugel, JdGordon\|, n1s: you seem to have worked a bit on the playlist implementation in the past months. could you please take a look at FS #12043 and the attached patch?
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00:30:01	phcoder	Hello, guys. Today I've installed rockbox on my ipod 6G. Thank you very much. Very good job. Is someone working on WMA support? If no which code can I take as the base? (I think I would be able to transform float arithmetics into integer ones)
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00:44:41	AlexP	phcoder: we support wma
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00:45:56	phcoder	AlexP: Ok. Then it was some outdated page which claimed that you needed someone to do the math.
00:46:05	AlexP	very very outdated
00:46:11	AlexP	we support wma pro too
00:47:01	AlexP	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs is probably a bit more up to date
00:50:01	phcoder	Is USB mass storage protocol operated in hardware or rockbox? I thought of playing a bit with the protocol, in particular emulate 512byte sectors to allow to boot from ipod
00:50:31	phcoder	Is ipod co-processor already supported?
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00:50:56	AlexP	depends on the player, some are hardware usb, some are software
00:51:10	AlexP	As yes, the co-processor is supported
00:51:15	gevaerts	If you want to play with that sort of thing, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11332 may be a good start
00:51:18	AlexP	and used for various codecs etc.
00:51:34	gevaerts	What co-processor do you mean exactly, an which ipod?
00:51:42	phcoder	why is HE-AAC not realtime then?
00:51:50	AlexP	I was assuming the dual core bit
00:51:58	phcoder	gevaerts: ipod 6G (classic 1G)
00:52:07	AlexP	oh, dunno on that
00:52:12	AlexP	Is it even dual-core?
00:52:20	AlexP	I was talking about all the previous ipods
00:52:36	gevaerts	It's not dual-core, no. There might be some dsp bit in it, I don't know...
00:52:38	AlexP	where dual core 80 MHz is not enough for HE-AAC
00:53:53	phcoder	I think it's purpose-build co-processor or ASIC for MPEG4 and AAC
00:54:48	AlexP	I doubt we use anything like that
00:54:57	AlexP	TheSeven is the man to talk to about the 6G
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00:56:23	*	TheSeven extends his ears
00:56:30	AlexP	see above :)
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00:57:13	TheSeven	i don't know of any coprocessor, except for maybe a h.264 decoder or some part of it
00:58:11	TheSeven	[00:50] <phcoder> Is USB mass storage protocol operated in hardware or rockbox? << that's all software
00:58:38	pixelma	AlexP: I believe that the only codec really using both cores is mp3 also (and on mpegplayer the cores are also shared)
00:59:08	pixelma	not a 100% sure though
00:59:11	gevaerts	That matches my memory
00:59:13	AlexP	pixelma: Right, but it itself is "supported" in that it can be used :)
00:59:15	TheSeven	phcoder: can the apple firmware even play he-aac?
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00:59:24	TheSeven	lc-aac should work fine on it IIRC
00:59:27	AlexP	pixelma: anyway, wrong ipods in the end :)
00:59:33	TheSeven	(with software decoding)
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00:59:51	pixelma	AlexP: only about the HE-AAC
00:59:58	AlexP	?
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01:01:27	phcoder	TheSeven: Would have to recheck. H264 is surely supported in original firmware
01:03:07	TheSeven	yeah, but so far I have no idea if they do it in software or hardware
01:03:18	TheSeven	some hardware acceleration seems likely at least
01:04:50	phcoder	TheSeven: have you identified all the chips in iphone disect?
01:04:52	phcoder	*ipod
01:05:54	TheSeven	the most important ones at least
01:06:06	TheSeven	but that kind of thing would be in the CPU and not a separate chip
01:06:24	TheSeven	and as that's a custom apple CPU, we don't really know anything about it
01:07:27	phcoder	Have you cross-checked with Apple patents?
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01:14:35	phcoder	going to sleep. Good night all
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01:18:28	saratoga	baseline profile at 640x480 definitely has hardware scaling and YUV conversion, not sure if you'd need hardware for the decoder
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01:48:58	num1	your website appears to be misconfigured
01:49:16	num1	when I try to talk to it, ipv6 fails to connect and I must fall back on ipv4
01:49:31	num1	this process takes about 90 seconds
01:52:53	saratoga	unfortunately its the middle of the night for the people who run the webserver, so you're probably going to want to come back during the day in Europe in order to get someone who knows about that
01:57:13	JdGordon\|	are we even setup for ipv6?
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02:01:15	saratoga	ha the spam thing caught your posts now
02:03:10	num1	sure thing, I can come back in 8 or 12 hours
02:03:14	num1	and yeah you are
02:03:26	num1	brian@kramer:~$ host rockbox.org
02:03:27	num1	rockbox.org has address 80.67.6.50
02:03:27	num1	rockbox.org has IPv6 address 2a00:1a28:1200:9::2
02:03:27	DBUG	Enqueued KICK num1
02:03:27	num1	rockbox.org mail is handled by 10 mail.rockbox.org.
02:03:29	num1	sorry for the line spam
02:08:28	JdGordon\|	akismet is more trouble than its worth
02:09:52	JdGordon\|	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27659.msg179798.html#msg179798 hehe
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02:17:27	saratoga	PM him and ask him to please read the new port forum rules before posting there
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05:06:39	JdGordon\|	S_a_i_n_t: you drongo.... did you try that change?
05:07:27	S_a_i_n_t	I haven't had a chance to yet, well...I've had plenty of chance to but KEYTOOL isn't playing nice with me.
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06:54:17	num1	If I have my timezones correct, england should be waking up soon
06:54:30	num1	actually scratch that, europe should be waking up soon
06:54:43	num1	is there anybody here that works on the website?
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07:00:32	JdGordon\|	that would be Bagder or Zagor..
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14:04:43	kugel	Zagor: the live log viewer doesn't work well in ff4
14:05:27	Zagor	aha, so they finally dumped it?
14:06:27	Zagor	it will replaced with web sockets, whenever they put that foot down
14:07:51	B4gder	any year now! =)
14:07:52	Buschel	kugel: that's the euphemistic view ;)
14:09:03	kugel	it doesn't work at all with default settings; and only partly with html5.enable set to false (that helped in previous versions)
14:09:17	kugel	Zagor: can we do somethign about it?
14:09:37	Zagor	I don't know. it depends on what they changed.
14:10:15	Ctcp	Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
14:10:15	*	kugel would be fine with at least a way to disable live updating
14:10:50	Zagor	oh, so it's even worse than "not working"?
14:11:10	*	Buschel filed a bug report and then went back to 3.6.16
14:11:21	n1s	previous ff is a bit broken with the live updating too
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14:12:00	n1s	it often ignores when i try to clik bookmarks or go back and just reloads the irc log instead
14:12:08	kugel	Zagor: it's not viewable
14:13:01	Zagor	aha
14:14:31	Zagor	kugel: try now
14:15:13	kugel	live updates seems disabled; it shows the entire log and I get the notice
14:15:19	Zagor	yes
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14:29:45	kugel	I posted my application draft to the gsoc page now
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14:37:35	Luca_S	bertrik (for the logs): one of your recent AMSv2 SD changes broke uSD on my player. Latest SVN version on FuzeV2 variant 0: the card is recognized fine and I can browse folder fine, but locks pretty much immediately when playing music from uSD. The player unresponsive until I eject uSD, at that point it resumes working fine.
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14:38:02	Luca_S	The card is a Sandisk Class 6 8GB.
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14:42:37	sideral	Luca_S: Please post this to FS #11870 −− it's likely to get lost here
14:44:13	sideral	Luca_S: Also, it would be great if you could bisect (binary-search and test) the revision history to check which commit caused the breakage
14:46:44	Luca_S	done. Thanks sideral.
14:47:10	sideral	thanks Luca_S!
14:48:59	num1	anybody who maintains the website here?
14:49:23	num1	your ipv6 is broken on rockbox.org
14:49:25	num1	that is all
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14:50:57	gevaerts	num1: known problem, the ISP has been contacted
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14:51:20	num1	gevaerts, cool.
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15:19:20	[Saint]	mshathlonxp: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/IpodPatcher#Advanced_Rockbox_install_methods_with_ipodpatcher (option 3 or 4)
15:19:55	[Saint]	3 supports dual-boot, 4 does not.
15:22:50	[Saint]	mshathlonxp: Methos 3 will boot the OF slightly slower than the standard method of installation, but if you only use it occasionally that's not really an issue.
15:22:56	[Saint]	*method
15:23:49	*	mshathlonxp is too lazy to change something that works acceptably :)
15:24:38	[Saint]	it's running ipodpatcher as a commandline instruction and entering 2 commands you can c/p right out of the wiki ;p
15:25:13	mshathlonxp	what's the "disk stop" value for flash based ipods?
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16:16:21	mshathlonxp	how does the rockbox uses the playback buffer when song is bigger than buffer - is that song filled as much as possible or some data from song and beginning from next song?
16:17:10	B4gder	correct
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16:17:19	mshathlonxp	which one?
16:17:36	B4gder	oh if the song is larger than the buffer, then as much as possible of the song is loaded
16:17:50	B4gder	and then it loads more when it reaches a particular low-water-mark
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16:18:19	B4gder	and when it reaches the end of the song, it starts loading the next
16:18:47	gevaerts	But what if it's an orchestral piece?
16:19:10	B4gder	then you need to sing along!
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16:27:03	Hillshum	Does it make a big difference which TTS engine I choose?
16:30:09	Torne	the biggest difference, surely
16:30:21	Torne	different TTS engine -> voice will be generated totally differently
16:31:23	Hillshum	But will I notice? My Clip+'s screen died, and I'm hoping to get voicing working
16:31:34	B4gder	you will notice, yes
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16:32:26	Hillshum	Will I care?
16:32:50	B4gder	you may prefer one voice compared to the others
16:33:23	Torne	the TTS engine determines everything about what the voice sounds like
16:33:26	Hillshum	I don't need one installed to use the menu voices right? Those aren't working
16:33:36	Torne	you need a TTS engine to generate voice samples, for anything
16:33:57	Torne	if you are downloading our precreated voice files you don't need to generate those.
16:34:21	Hillshum	RButil downloads the precreated ones right?
16:35:48	Torne	if you tell it to
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16:44:36	[Saint]	mshathlonxp: fwiw, if you can compile your own build...telling your video it now has a flash disk is a one line change.
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16:45:43	Hillshum	My .rockbox folder seems corrupt in Windows. Any ideas why?
16:46:29	[Saint]	Hillshum: There's a number of ways this may have happened.
16:46:38	Hillshum	And what do to about it?
16:46:49	[Saint]	chkdsk
16:47:27	*	Hillshum doesn't have admin rights
16:47:41	[Saint]	that's going to be problematic.
16:47:56	Hillshum	I think I'll boot my laptop into Ubuntu
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16:56:36	[Saint]	Hillshum: I use eSpeak with mBrola personally.
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16:57:05	[Saint]	It's quite highly configurable, and sounds better than plain 'ol MS Sam ;)
16:57:37	Hillshum	[Saint]: I picked espeak, once I get things working I might try others
16:58:08	[Saint]	eSpeak (in my opinion) is vastly improved by using mBrola
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17:00:08	Hillshum	Where is the RButil cache found?
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17:10:45	[Saint]	Hillshum: Did you install to the default location?
17:10:55	[Saint]	if so: \Program Files\RockBox Utility\rbutil-cache
17:11:00	Hillshum	I didn't install
17:11:21	[Saint]	then....why would you expect to find a cache?
17:11:32	[Saint]	I'm missing the point perhaps ;)
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17:13:08	Hillshum	It was my understanding that rbutil isn't installed, the binary is just left somewhere. It's on my Desktop; I see no folder that that might be a cache.
17:14:09	[Saint]	Hmmm...perhaps I did place it in Program Files manually...
17:15:40	[Saint]	regardless, the cache is in a folder named rbutil-cache in my Rockbox Utility folder (I did do that manually now come to think if it)
17:16:03	[Saint]	if it's present, searching for "rbutil-cache" will find it.
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17:17:22	Hillshum	I'll look around. It's been using cached downloads, so I assume it has a cache somewhere
17:17:49	[Saint]	I know I didn't place the cache there manually.
17:18:43	[Saint]	Oh, maybe I did.
17:19:34	[Saint]	Hillshum: launch rbutil, click "File", click "Configure", click the "Cache" tab.
17:19:43	Hillshum	Okay
17:22:20	[Saint]	From there, you can a: see the current path, and b: set a new one if desired.
17:23:07	[Saint]	Apologies for my assumption that it installed there automatically. I forgot I had placed it in that location myself.
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17:28:09	bluebrother	Hillshum: Rockbox Utilitys cache should be in the system temp folder
17:28:28	Hillshum	It's in a temp folder at the user level
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17:56:58	Hillshum	Can the voice system speak tags in the database?
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18:06:42	[Saint]	Hillshum: No
18:07:04	Hillshum	the cache folder?
18:07:19	[Saint]	the cache folder?
18:07:35	[Saint]	The database cannot be voiced.
18:07:51	[Saint]	Only the filebrowser, and only if you make .talk files
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19:13:33	AlexP_	Right, any objects to a 3.8.1 then?
19:13:44	AlexP_	Please check/add/edit to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes381
19:16:01	*	LambdaCalculus37 has no objections
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19:16:54	gevaerts	Looks good
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19:29:16	bertrik	AlexP_, there are some issues after all with some of the recent AMSv2 sd fixes in 3.8.1, so please delay the release a bit.
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19:29:43	bertrik	There's a report of a fuzev2 variant 1 not working properly on FS #11870
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19:31:57	AlexP_	ok
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19:34:52	bertrik	sorry, variant Fuzev2 variant 0
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19:43:32	gevaerts	bertrik: any idea on what "a bit" means?
19:44:34	bertrik	about 3 days to a week
19:45:24	gevaerts	hrm
19:45:41	bertrik	assuming the 3.8.1 release was imminent
19:46:30	bertrik	I think it can be fixed by reverting two commits, so at least until we have confirmation that reverting those fixes it
19:47:27	gevaerts	The thing is that we've been waiting for a while for the ams fixes now, which doesn't really help PP users
19:48:53	saratoga	has anyone else confirmed Luca's problem? my variant 0 clip+ has no issues
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19:49:06	AlexP_	It was going to be today :)
19:49:18	AlexP_	As 3.8 is quite broken for quite a few targets
19:49:26	bertrik	I have a clip+ variant 0 and I have no problems either, but Luca has a fuze v2
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19:49:51	leavittx	Hi! I'm trying to make a new raaa port (using sdl). What is "sim_tasks.h" header? Why it may be not generated for me?
19:50:20	bertrik	gevaerts, Alexp, I understand, and I apologise for having committed changes that now turn out to break things, I could have been more conservative
19:50:34	AlexP_	It's OK :)
19:50:40	gevaerts	bertrik: I'm not blaming you :)
19:51:19	gevaerts	I'm just thinking that in hindsight we should have released 3.8.1 weeks ago with the PP ATA DMA fix, and left the AMS stuff for 3.8.2
19:51:34	AlexP_	yes, that would have been better
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19:51:49	AlexP_	But I didn't know the sd stuff would still be going on
19:52:11	AlexP_	(which isn't a problem)
19:52:13	gevaerts	Indeed not
19:52:23	AlexP_	This is the advantage of hindsight :)
19:52:30	gevaerts	But I think we now have to set a firm cut off date
19:52:43	AlexP_	yes
19:53:44	AlexP_	bertrik: Is a few days realistic, or would you rather we release without the SD stuff now, and do a 3.8.2 in a week or two?
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19:55:55	bertrik	Luca mentioned a release that does work for him, we can revert the patches that went in after those in 3.8.1, and do a 3.8.1 real soon now.
19:56:23	bertrik	Then I think we can fix the sd problems in trunk and put them in 3.8.2
19:56:32	AlexP_	OK, sounds good :)
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19:57:00	AlexP_	So it is Tuesday, shall we say release on Friday? Is that enough?
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19:59:36	bertrik	Yes, fine for me. I hope Luca joins the channel tonight (I invited him to come here) so we can pinpoint the offending patches instead of wholesale reverting the latest patches.
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20:12:19	bertrik	gevaerts, you have a fuzev2 variant 0 too, right? Can you reproduce the problem at Luca Leonardo Scorcia (LucaLeonardoScorcia) - Tuesday, 05 April 2011, 13:46 GMT+1 in FS #11870?
20:14:07	gevaerts	bertrik: I'll try in a bit. Eating now...
20:14:18	AlexP	heh, I have a fuze v2 :)
20:14:22	AlexP	I forgot about that
20:14:49	AlexP	variant 0 too
20:14:59	AlexP	bertrik: What would you like testing? :)
20:15:47	AlexP	bertrik: needs to SDHC?
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20:16:01	bertrik	AlexP, see if uSD is visible in the Files menu and that you can play music from the uSD. Please also look if the button light acts strangly (won't go on or off, or flickers on sd access)
20:16:30	AlexP	righto, just need to find a cable and update first
20:16:32	bertrik	AlexP, if you have a few different uSD cards, please try them all, it doesn't have to be SDHC
20:16:40	AlexP	will do
20:17:54	bertrik	I don't expect any difference between trunk and 3.8.1, they are the same w.r.t. sd fixes
20:18:59	AlexP	I'm doing 3.8.1, just because I'm on it
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20:26:59	AlexP	bertrik: Works perfectly here - 16GB µSD, can browse it and play music without issue. Button light is normal. I can eject and insert the µSD with Rockbox running without problems
20:27:06	AlexP	I'll just find some other cards
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20:30:43	AlexP	bertrik: 2GB µSD also works perfectly
20:31:05	saratoga	if its not a wide spread problem lets just release
20:31:29	saratoga	its still a huge improvement on amsv2 even if its not perfect
20:31:33	AlexP	Let's let gevaerts check when he has finished eating :)
20:31:40	AlexP	but here it seems fine
20:31:59	u42p	anything i could test for you on a clip+?
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20:32:36	saratoga	sd cards if you want, but we think they're mostly working now
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20:33:13	u42p	i only got one and its working
20:44:13	gevaerts	hm, seems to work for me
20:44:20	bertrik	hm, so maybe it's turning out to be a lot of worry about a small (if any) problem. He did also have another patch applied (AMSv2 USB), that could possibly also have some influence
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20:58:15	nettech	Hello all! Does ayone know the file system that is used for the Recovery partition of the Sansa Clip+ ? Currently, the device is showing m200plus and it was formatted as Fat32 by mistake, so i can't get the RB bootloader (or rockbox 3.8 Base) to boot. I just get a blank screen. Thanks!
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21:00:12	Torne	There is no filesystem in recovery mode
21:01:32	Torne	what actually happened, what did you try, etc
21:02:57	saratoga	the clip+ doesn't even really have a recovery mode
21:03:09	saratoga	just some disk that shows up once you've destroyed the player
21:04:43	nettech	I was running Rockbox 3.8 previously. I decided to open up the sansa and placed a jumper over the recovery pins . I got the sansa to show me the m200plus partition, but then a mistake of formatting the partition (entirely my own stupid fault)
21:05:14	Torne	that's not a partition, it's the entire flash, no?
21:05:17	nettech	so now it always comes up in m200plus mode, and I cant restore the bootloader
21:05:22	Torne	and formatting it is just like writing anything else invalid on there
21:05:32	Torne	you need to copy the original firmware onto it
21:05:43	Torne	onto the raw device, not a filesystem
21:07:03	[Saint]	funman had some fun with this...
21:07:18	[Saint]	"fun"
21:07:25	nettech	yes, that is what I tried, but I assume that because I trased the origional File system by formatting it with Fat32, the player can no longer recognize any file i place on it.
21:07:43	Torne	There is no filesystem
21:07:59	Torne	You don't put the original firmware on there by copying it onto a filesystem
21:08:09	Torne	you write the file directly to the device using a tool like dd
21:08:14	AlexP	bertrik, gevaerts, saratoga: So what is the verdict - it works for gevaerts and me, so ignore this? Or wait for him to try some tests?
21:08:23	[Saint]	you need a copy of what is on that partition from a working player I believe.
21:08:42	saratoga	i think we should release
21:08:45	nettech	ahh okay. I will try that next.
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21:08:50	gevaerts	AlexP: ignore this and mention in the release notes that people may have microSD problems in which case they should go back to 3.8
21:09:13	nettech	Thanks for the info .!!!
21:09:21	saratoga	i suspect that anyone with sd problems in 3.8.1 probably won't be able to use 3.8 either
21:09:25	saratoga	so no real loss
21:09:39	saratoga	meanwhile the vast majority win
21:09:51	[Saint]	I'm going by menory here (which is dangerous for me) but I believe that copying the firmware to that partition is enough to get RB working, but the OF expecs some other magic to be on there.
21:10:13	[Saint]	*memory
21:11:51	AlexP	gevaerts, saratoga, bertrik: OK, building :)
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21:12:01	nettech	Ahh I see. hmm.. that probably means it will not be easy to get it to run again. OK, I will have to accept that. It was my fault for hitting "format" too fast before realizing that it was not supposed to be formatted.
21:12:20	saratoga	i don't think formatting it really broke anything
21:12:42	saratoga	it was already apparently garbage on the nand if you ended up needing to open the player
21:12:54	bertrik	ok, fine with me to release 3.8.1 too
21:13:10	[Saint]	I'm not sure of the legality of it, but you need some kind soul with the same player to give you a copy of the FW partition.
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21:13:42	AlexP	bertrik: I do wonder what is up with the other chap's player then
21:13:55	nettech	Yes, that may be it. I cant DD just clippa.bin.
21:14:25	nettech	I need the whole disk image
21:14:30	bertrik	regarding clip+ recovery mode, I've seen some reports of getting a 4 MB drive in recovery mode, I think I had a 32 MB one. I wonder the devs have really seen all bootloader levels.
21:14:52	saratoga	4MB one usually means you didn't short the pins right i think
21:15:10	bertrik	Could it be a RAM loader of some kind perhaps?
21:16:13	bertrik	I don't remember seeing a m200plus partition when I did recovery
21:16:27	saratoga	i think Torne argued that it was just dead code on the chips ROM exposing memory that didn't exist
21:16:36	saratoga	IIRC you can't actually write to it
21:16:38	gevaerts	bertrik: I guess "partition" means "device id" there
21:16:44	Torne	a theory
21:16:51	nettech	sorry, let me clarify. I see the sansa as a USB device called "m200plus"
21:17:17	nettech	the drive just shows up as an undefined USB mass storage device of 4mb
21:17:32	nettech	Yes
21:17:34	bertrik	ok
21:17:47	[Saint]	yes, iiuc the 4mb is the FW partition.
21:17:50	bertrik	can you dd something to it, then read it back?
21:18:18	bertrik	the firmware is bigger than 4 MB
21:19:06	nettech	yes, it writes and reads fine, but it is now partitioned as FAT32, as per my formatting it when i should have just left it alone
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21:19:49	bertrik	does the contents of this partition survive a power cycle?
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21:20:04	nettech	yes
21:20:26	nettech	it survives a power down and disconnect from the USB port
21:20:49	nettech	basically working like a Flash Drive now only.
21:21:14	*	nettech Doh!
21:22:26	*	nettech tries fdisk to kill the FAT32 partition
21:23:12	gevaerts	nettech: why?
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21:23:33	gevaerts	It's a raw device, it doesn't want a partition table in the first place
21:28:00	nettech	you are right! I guess DD 'ing the image is the best way to recover.
21:28:50	*	nettech Looks for DD on Mac OSX. hehehe!
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21:31:38	saratoga	DD'ing isn't going to help unless you get the 32MB device to appear
21:33:04	nettech	Ok. I will jumper the recovery pins again, and try again
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21:37:40	u42p	my 4mb clip+ is on its way to theseven now
21:38:12	[7]	u42p: thanks :)
21:38:17	u42p	ah, there you are
21:38:34	u42p	i consider it as finally having donated to the project ;)
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21:38:51	u42p	hope you can make any use of it
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21:51:57	sideral	bertrik: Probably too late, but a possible way ahead would have been to only include fixes for known problems in 3.8.1, and leave all the cleanups in the trunk only
21:52:42	saratoga	thats pretty much what happened
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21:53:34	sideral	saratoga: ? I didn't see any commits reverting cleanups on the 3.8 branch
21:54:14	saratoga	no i mean the sd stuff is mostly just fixes
21:54:49	sideral	plus some cleanups, one of which breaks Luca's FuzeV2
21:55:06	sideral	IIUC
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21:57:54	Luca_S	can anybody tell me how can I revert a specific revision?
21:58:47	Luca_S	i'd like to svn update then remove r29667 and r29656, as instructed by bertrik
21:59:12	sideral	Hi Luca_S, thanks for dropping by again. I'm afraid it's too late for 3.8.1, but if you'd like to help testing this anyway, go ahead :)
21:59:12	sideral	Are you using git or svn?
21:59:28	Luca_S	svn
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22:00:00	Luca_S	i'm happy to be of some help, after all if i'm the only one with a problem, i'll have a workable solution :)
22:00:17	saratoga	update -r revision_number
22:00:28	sideral	svn merge -r <endrev>:<startrev>
22:00:45	saratoga	ah yeah thats better
22:01:49	sideral	in this case, svn merge -r 29657:29656, then svn merge -r 29668:29667
22:02:14	CIA-87	New commit by bluebrother (r29681): Fix a warning.
22:02:51	Luca_S	ok, I did it as per sideral's command (had to add a dot at the end, right?)
22:03:19	sideral	no idea, I don't use svn that often these days :)
22:03:33	Luca_S	currently making, thank god I have an ubuntu vm here
22:04:25	[Saint]	Hmmm...tht's quite different than how I would have done it.
22:04:28	[Saint]	thanks sideral ;)
22:04:55	sideral	Ah, "svn merge -c -29667" should also work :)
22:05:11	sideral	mind the negative rev no.
22:05:26	pixelma	not sure if that's a good way to test revisions though, what if follow-up and/or other seemingly unrelated changes play a role too?
22:05:50	gevaerts	pixelma: in general that's true
22:06:29	sideral	pixelma: bertrik's theory is that the bug is in these revs, as Luca_S bisected it down to r29667. r29656 merely depends on the former.
22:06:53	sideral	er, vice versa
22:07:04	CIA-87	r29681 build result: All green
22:07:15	Luca_S	can I safely assume that since the card works fine in the OF it shouldn't be an hardware problem?
22:07:35	Luca_S	(i have excluded filesystem issues by running a scandisk)
22:07:47	[Saint]	Unless the OF does something very broken and out-of-spec, I'd say yes.
22:07:51	sideral	Luca_S: it's a good working theory, yes :)
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22:10:19	Luca_S	if anybody else wants to test, a good way to reproduce the problem was skipping from songs in the internal SD to songs on the uSD
22:12:03	sideral	ah right, gevaerts' and AlexP's testing earlier tonight might have been a bit too shallow to reproduce this problem. it doesn't break right away, right?
22:12:32	gevaerts	I did try to play stuff from the card, which is what flyspray told me :)
22:13:03	sideral	OK gevaerts, that's good :)
22:13:15	Luca_S	something's fishy, rockbox is stuck to the bootloader image? let me check the filesystem again
22:13:51	Luca_S	i'll disable rockbox usb and use OF for firmware transfer... gonna take a while :(
22:15:29	sideral	BTW pamaury and jhMikeS, I seem to be able to reproduce the AMSv2 USB ephemeral filesystem corruption regularly on my brand new Clip+. No problems for a long time on my ClipV2, though.
22:16:05	sideral	If I manage to find a way to reproduce it reliably, I can start to bisect it
22:16:35	Luca_S	[ usb on my fuzev2 works very well from a long time, used on windows 7 never gave me 1.1 connections, that's why I always keep it enabled ]
22:17:04	Luca_S	aha... svn diff shows the wrong files
22:17:21	Luca_S	i'll try to reapply the reverse changesets
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22:18:03	sideral	dang, looks like my svn skillz have rottened away, sorry
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22:18:46	Luca_S	not too much: svn revert -c works perfectly
22:18:49	Luca_S	:)
22:18:54	Luca_S	ops svn merge -c
22:18:55	Luca_S	:)
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22:24:55	AlexP	sideral: I played music from it too
22:25:32	sideral	AlexP: cool
22:26:41	AlexP	Luca_S: Can you try with a clean 3.8 branch? No USB or anything
22:26:44	Luca_S	I'm starting to think that my uSD is haunted.. :) i also have problems with database scanning files on it, EXCEPT if I turn on dircache. coincidence or not, this trick seems to work for the db
22:27:07	Luca_S	AlexP: sure, as soon as the stupid OF stops updating the db :(
22:27:07	AlexP	I suspect both mine and gevaerts were absolutely stock, no extra patches and things enabled
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22:27:16	AlexP	thanks
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22:30:24	sideral	Need to go offline for a while. Luca_S, please keep us posted, and may I ask you to update FS #11870 when you're done?
22:30:35	Luca_S	will do. thanks
22:30:43	sideral	thank you!
22:31:12	Luca_S	is there a 3.8.1 build already somewhere?
22:32:43	[Saint]	bluebrother: Just noticed that RbUtil defaults the TTS speed for SAPI to 10
22:33:21	AlexP	Luca_S: fuzev2?
22:33:25	AlexP	durr
22:33:29	AlexP	of course!
22:33:30	Luca_S	yes
22:33:37	[Saint]	this makes it absolutely impossible to understand, and it's likely "average joe" expects sane values and wouldn't know why voice was "broken".
22:33:41	[Saint]	bluebrother: ^
22:34:00	Luca_S	thanks, I'd like to test official 3.8 and 3.8.1 just to check..
22:34:01	AlexP	Luca_S: Give me 5 mins
22:34:13	Luca_S	countdown started :D
22:34:16	Buschel	jhMikeS: you there?
22:34:24	AlexP	heh :)
22:34:32	AlexP	It might be a tad more :)
22:34:42	Luca_S	it sure will be: OF is still refreshing!!!
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22:40:10	AlexP	Luca_S: http://aeparker.com/files/rockbox-sansafuzev2-3.8.1.zip
22:40:19	Luca_S	thanks
22:40:36	AlexP	no probs, thanks for testing
22:40:42	Luca_S	downloaded
22:40:52	AlexP	wow, that was quick
22:40:58	AlexP	Is it the right size?
22:41:10	AlexP	4MB odd
22:41:18	Luca_S	4.024.468 bytes
22:41:28	AlexP	cool
22:42:43	Luca_S	ok, scandisk says both filesystems are fine... let's start with 3.8
22:44:17	Luca_S	will it harm if I hard poweroff the player while the OF is refreshing DB?
22:44:39	[Saint]	there's a chance it can corrupt the FS
22:45:03	Luca_S	ok... let's wait then :)
22:50:14	kugel	gevaerts: I think the reclaiming of memory for audio buffer is not that complicated actually
22:51:01	kugel	just make the audio buffer "non-movable", and use the new space at the front of the ring buffer on rebuffering. on rebuffering it should be pretty safe to adjust the ring buffer without stopping playback
22:51:16	gevaerts	kugel: I actually suspect that this will take a lot of hard thinking to check all edge cases, ending up in something rather simple
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22:55:29	wtachi	saratoga: pong
22:55:42	saratoga	were you going to submit a GSOC proposal?
22:56:11	wtachi	yeah, I was also going to work on memory allocation
22:56:24	wtachi	but I haven't found the time to really look at it
22:56:26	saratoga	which one was that?
22:56:41	wtachi	buflib, the one kugel's working on
22:56:44	saratoga	i thought you were interested in the codec projects
22:56:46	saratoga	ah ok
22:57:06	wtachi	the codecs did seem interesting, but I only know the basics of DSP and optimization
22:57:13	saratoga	btw, you're in NC right?
22:57:15	wtachi	yes
22:57:22	saratoga	which school
22:57:25	wtachi	NC State
22:57:29	saratoga	ah cool
22:57:36	saratoga	gf lives off glennwood
22:58:11	kugel	wtachi: oh, I thought I'd be pretty much alone with this project
22:58:30	saratoga	well the codec projects are a lot safer, so if you're interested in that you should talk to me about it
22:58:36	Luca_S	ok, confirmed: official 3.8 works fine. now, official 3.8.1
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23:01:48	wtachi	hm, now "Codec Library and Optimization" seems interesting
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23:03:47	saratoga	what program/year were you in at state?
23:04:04	wtachi	I'm a Junior in CSC
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23:04:34	*	wtachi doesn't like that the DSP class only works for EE students
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23:05:51	saratoga	yeah for that reason usually people who do codec stuff are ECE
23:05:56	Luca_S	ok confirmed: official 3.8.1 locks up when skipping songs on uSD
23:06:22		Quit ack` (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
23:06:23	AlexP	how many times?
23:06:31	AlexP	I skipped around with no issue
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23:06:47	Luca_S	just two or three skips is enough. I set up the database, then activated shuffle
23:07:12	AlexP	I don't use the database, but apart from that..
23:07:12	Luca_S	this gives me a playlist where songs are about 50% on the internal SD, 50% on the uSD
23:07:22	Luca_S	then I start playback
23:08:16	Luca_S	i skip two or three songs and as soon as it arrives on a song that's on uSD it locks up, the disk indicator never goes away, until i eject the uSD. at that point it resumes working, and skips to the next song on internal SD
23:08:49	AlexP	same thing here, mixed playlist (but not from database), works perfectly
23:08:57	AlexP	I can skip around to my heart's content
23:09:19	Luca_S	next check: custom build with r29667 and r29656 reverted
23:09:50	Luca_S	AlexP: my uSD has been picky in the past, I had various db problems that other people couldn't reproduce, it could be that. strange that it works on the OF though
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23:10:09	gevaerts	My mixed playlist also seems to be fine
23:10:22	AlexP	I really can't reproduce, no matter what I do
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23:10:33	gevaerts	Using recent svn (from a few hours ago)
23:10:52	*	AlexP using the just built 3.8.1 RC I uploaded
23:11:34	Luca_S	if I'm the only user affected I'll just live with it :)
23:11:53	AlexP	Well, 1 out of 3 isn't conclusively the only
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23:12:15	saratoga	i don't see how r29656 could impact a variant 0 device though
23:12:31	saratoga	the entire commit is inside an if(variant == 1) block
23:12:54	*	gevaerts checks his variant again
23:13:18	Luca_S	yes, but the previous code wasn't
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23:13:31	gevaerts	0, as remembered
23:13:37	saratoga	ah stupid, i'm looking at the reverse diff
23:17:34	bertrik	My theory is that in variant 0, the button light is controlled by GPIO B5, while in variant 1, the button light is controlled by some PWM output and GPIO B5 is used to switch the sd card command line between internal and external sd.
23:18:23	bertrik	The weird thing is that the GPIO B5 direction (input or output) was already surrounded by a if(variant == 1) in the old code
23:18:51	bertrik	It just happened to be configured as an output by the backlight/button driver
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23:22:53	[Saint]	post 3 of "recent posts" (as of right now) is not showing in its thread, but it shows in recent posts.
23:23:02	[Saint]	I want to reply to it but I canot for this reason.
23:23:09	bertrik	r29656 did also remove a check on sd_present(SD_SLOT_AS3525), maybe restoring that helps
23:23:10	[Saint]	it's definitely a human post.
23:24:30	gevaerts	[Saint]: Chronon's post about the h140?
23:24:52	AlexP	sideral: thanks
23:24:55	AlexP	er, [Saint]
23:24:59	AlexP	Done anyway
23:25:10	*	[Saint] nods
23:25:32	[Saint]	gevaerts: No, it's a post from cheenachatze re: RaaA
23:25:54	gevaerts	oh
23:26:09	gevaerts	I can see that one
23:26:18	AlexP	It is there now
23:26:22	AlexP	I just unmarked them
23:26:25	[Saint]	In it's thread? you will now, AlexP just fixed it.
23:26:31	gevaerts	hrm
23:26:34	gevaerts	Yes, ok :)
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23:29:02	*	AlexP has lots of builds now
23:29:52	nettech	Does anybody have an OF image file that they don't mind sending to me (DCC) so I can DD it to my bricked Sansa Clip+? Sorry, I dont mean to take up a lot of bandwidth here, I am just trying to get Rockbox up and running again.
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23:31:21	saratoga	wtachi: (heading out for a while) the codec library project is also interesting, i suggest pairing it with some specific goal for optimizing one of the currently slow areas (e.g. AAC-HE, the mdct library, etc)
23:31:33	saratoga	and of course talking to us about what could be put in such a library
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23:32:30	saratoga	you don't need both a background in dsp or being good at assembly, but either would certainly help
23:32:53	Luca_S	i HATE bisecting. i did a svn update, then svn update -r 29655. According to my findings as of this morning this was supposed to fix my problem, but the lockup is still there (albeit after a handful more skips). back to square one :(
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23:34:04	[Saint]	why update, then check out an older revision?
23:34:24	bertrik	nettech, the OF image is exactly 15 MB, it won't fit on the 4 MB
23:34:59	*	bertrik wonders if the 4 MB is perhaps some kind of lower level bootloader thing
23:35:01	[Saint]	Luca_S: svn update -r 29655 just reverts the whole tree to that revision.
23:35:09	[Saint]	It doesn't revert that specific commit.
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23:35:59	nettech	Ahh okay. I was just trying to follow the instructions for unbricking shown on the RockBox wiki.
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23:36:32	saratoga	i thought it was 32MB on the Clip+?
23:37:09	saratoga	reserved space in the SD driver is 0xf000 sectors, which is 64MB, big enough for two copies at once
23:37:33	Luca_S	[Saint]: yes, I tried it out of frustration since reverting those commits did not work either. I'll resume bisecting.
23:38:05	[Saint]	what do you mean "didn't work"?
23:38:36	Luca_S	the problem was still present. probably this morning worked by sheer luck.
23:39:07	Luca_S	anyway the girlfriend just gave me an unexpected interrupt :P gotta go now. see you tomorrow
23:39:08	bertrik	saratoga, 0xf000 sectors is 30 MB
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23:40:16	[Saint]	is the wiki incorrect, or am I looking at the wrong page? it seems to suggest the drive that is exposed by shorting these pads should be far greater than 4 or 32MB
23:40:28	[Saint]	979.75MB in fact
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23:41:11	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick no?
23:42:40	nettech	I see 979.75mb
23:42:49	nettech	I have a 4gb sansa clip+
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23:44:06	nettech	I verified that DD is working ok to xfer to the Flash, I just DD'ed clppa.bin to it, which is 15mb, and it wrote it properly
23:44:52	[Saint]	so, was the 4MB you reported earlier incorrect? Or did it just "magically work" this time around?
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23:47:55	nettech	yes it was incorrect, because at that point, i had already removed the jumper for recovery , and re-booted
23:48:22	[Saint]	Ah, right. Yes, that's bound to fail.
23:48:33	nettech	yes.
23:49:07	bertrik	I think there's a good chance it'll work now
23:49:26	[Saint]	What needs to happen now is you need someone else willing to break down their player and DD the image for you.
23:49:54	[Saint]	I'm not even sure about the legality of this, so, I won't touch it with a stick.
23:51:39	nettech	hmm.. okay. I dont want to have that to happen. I guess I will just toss this clip+ and get a new one. Maybe I will upgrade to a fuze.
23:52:26	kugel	I updated my gsoc proposal with some more thoughts on potential issues
23:52:58	bertrik	nettech, I think you should just unplug it now and reboot it
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23:54:31	nettech	bertrick, I tried that (just wishful thinking), but still it mounts as m200plus, and the OLED screen is blank
23:56:36	bertrik	do you still have the pads bridged?
23:58:57	nettech	currently, no.

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