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| 00:26:45 | saratoga | pamaury: maybe this is the same recovery mode you found? http://mympxplayer.org/sigmatel-recovery-guide-updated-vt8150.html |
| 00:26:57 | saratoga | or at least uses similar commands |
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| 00:28:04 | pamaury | no, I know this one |
| 00:28:37 | pamaury | but thanks for taking tiem |
| 00:29:04 | pamaury | Actually, some source code is downloadable on freescale website (like linux code, or wince6 code), perhaps I can find something |
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| 00:35:51 | pamaury | fucking god, I'm pretty sure I have the code under my eyes but it's so bloated that I can't get anything useful directly |
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| 01:07:59 | pamaury | and more than 50Mb just for a flashing tool :-/ |
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| 01:20:28 | pamaury | apparently I found a tool which might do the job, but I don't have the code, and I don't know the protocol, will need to experiment and reverse-engineer it seems :( |
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| 08:37:06 | [Saint] | gah! |
| 08:37:15 | [Saint] | why is convttf so damn broken? |
| 08:37:35 | [Saint] | -p 18 is outputting a 17pt font |
| 08:38:40 | [Saint] | and -T* doesn't respect the -p flag and trims off the total font height. (so -p 18 -Ta 1 -Td 1 == a 15pt font.....broken, very broken) |
| 08:46:49 | * | [Saint] wonders if he remembers what version of Unhelpful's convttf from that task actually worked. |
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| 08:47:06 | [Saint] | There was one I was using that woked perfectly... |
| 08:47:22 | Unhelpful | isn't, isn't there a merged version now? |
| 08:47:34 | [Saint] | Yes, it's kaput |
| 08:47:45 | Unhelpful | 18pt may not be achievable for your font, you know? ;) |
| 08:48:27 | [Saint] | 'tis, I converted it with another version of convttf ages ago. |
| 08:50:02 | [Saint] | It does 18pt fone, untill the -T* flags are added. |
| 08:50:26 | [Saint] | then, instead of adding/subtracting ascent/descent it is adding/subtracting from the total font height. |
| 08:50:34 | [Saint] | s/fone/fine/ |
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| 09:19:46 | bluefoxx | Anybody know anything about Samsung's RMA support? The ZIF drive made by them I had in my gigabeat S just died this afternoon, click of death it seems. |
| 09:22:05 | [Saint] | I suspect Samsung might. |
| 09:22:28 | bluefoxx | There is no product history, Please contact your reseller or distributor. is the best I got out of their site |
| 09:22:40 | bluefoxx | Was curious if anybody else had ever managed to RMA one |
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| 09:25:12 | [Saint] | iPod Classic/Video owners: |
| 09:25:15 | [Saint] | http://www.datafilehost.com/download-d278cedf.html <−− New iLike 320x240 |
| 09:25:46 | [Saint] | A new version of the iLike Video theme I have been working on, fonts still need a little work. |
| 09:26:15 | [Saint] | iLike Color/Nano to follow... |
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| 09:42:24 | kugel | [Saint]: play with the -X flag a bit |
| 09:42:29 | Unhelpful | [Saint]: iirc what i did was try to fit the size, use an exact fit if possible, fit at one less and pad if not. |
| 09:42:53 | bluebrother | can someone with a Cygwin installation other than 1.7 tell me what the output of uname -a is? |
| 09:43:15 | [Saint] | kugel: The -p flag should *always* be the total height. |
| 09:43:24 | [Saint] | the -T tags shouldn't alter this. |
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| 09:57:56 | CIA-87 | New commit by bertrik (r29696): AMS sd: use defines instead of direct values for drive number |
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| 10:02:25 | CIA-87 | r29696 build result: All green |
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| 10:16:19 | bluebrother | hmm. libspeex on Cygwin causes errors when building rbspeex. Using a mingw cross compiler on Cygwin 1.7 (since -mno-cygwin isn't supported anymore) reveals no mingw version of libspeex around, and the installer also doesn't find one. When building as cygwin binary it causes other errors. |
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| 10:17:13 | bluebrother | but since rbspeex has been built with -mno-cygwin it would make sense to not link with libspeex anymore and instead use the one from Rockbox sources, and try to figure if we're on Cygwin 1.7 to fix the -mno-cygwin issue |
| 10:17:27 | bluebrother | any thoughts? I think I have that working ... |
| 10:25:54 | [Saint] | it fails with a gcc with the -mno-cygwin flag present also. |
| 10:26:32 | * | [Saint] just tried building a voice file with gcc 3.4.4 )cygming special) with no joy. |
| 10:26:41 | bluebrother | yeps |
| 10:26:52 | [Saint] | 4.5.0 produces the error you just mentioned. |
| 10:27:07 | bluebrother | you are supposed to use mingw32-gcc instead of gcc |
| 10:27:17 | bluebrother | gcc -mno-cygwin that is |
| 10:27:23 | bluebrother | which works fine for me |
| 10:27:47 | bluebrother | but only if I don't try to link against a system libspeex, since there is no mingw32 libspeex available |
| 10:28:00 | [Saint] | Ah. |
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| 10:28:18 | [Saint] | Well, I'm happy to have a mess around if you need something tested. |
| 10:28:23 | [Saint] | just gomme a beep. |
| 10:28:29 | [Saint] | *gimme too |
| 10:29:10 | bluebrother | my current changes: http://pastebin.com/cLaR4MfL |
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| 10:29:42 | bluebrother | works for me, and should still work with Cygwin 1.5. But since I don't have that installed I can't test. |
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| 10:44:03 | bertrik | Anyone here with a AMSv1 player with 8GB internal storage? |
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| 11:29:13 | * | bluebrother found cygwin legacy |
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| 11:50:19 | [Saint] | bluebrother: ? |
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| 11:51:45 | [Saint] | AlexP: scorche`: The forum ate one of my posts again. |
| 11:54:02 | [Saint] | it's supposed to be in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27705.msg179958.html#msg179958 , it's visible on the "Recent Posts" section. |
| 11:54:22 | bluebrother | [Saint]: strange, if I install libspeex and pkg-config on Cygwin 1.5 it also doesn't link properly. Though I guess most people using Cygwin don't have pkg-config or libspeex so nobody noticed |
| 11:55:26 | [Saint] | I do, but not on 1.5 |
| 11:55:35 | * | [Saint] is using 1.7.9 |
| 11:55:54 | bluebrother | you are not "most people", are you? ;-) |
| 11:56:05 | [Saint] | I might be ;) |
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| 12:49:49 | AlexP | [Saint]: OK |
| 12:50:27 | AlexP | GuySoft: Sorry, was asleep - yes, I can |
| 12:51:01 | AlexP | GuySoft: What was it again? |
| 12:54:35 | bertrik | Would a nice and improved resampler be a good idea for GSoC 2011? |
| 12:56:19 | pamaury | I can't understand some chip use a HID based interface for recovery mode. DFU would be *much* more sensible |
| 12:56:56 | pamaury | or even a stupid interface with a single bulk out ! |
| 12:58:29 | bertrik | pamaury, the advantage of HID could be that you don't need a driver for it on windows |
| 12:58:48 | pamaury | true, but doesn't windows has a dfu driver ? |
| 12:59:24 | pamaury | I mean, DFU is a standard after all ! |
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| 13:06:06 | amiconn | bluebrother: For solving the -mno-cygwin issue we need to check for native gcc version. It has nothing to do with cygwin 1.5 vs. 1.7 |
| 13:06:48 | amiconn | gcc 3.x on cygwin 1.7 still supports -mno-cygwin |
| 13:07:39 | amiconn | I'm not sure about the rules that decide which gcc version gets installed |
| 13:08:22 | amiconn | My cygwin 1.7 setup had gcc 3.x first - installing a few -dev packages months later and the installer decided that it needs to upgrade to gcc 4 |
| 13:09:04 | pixelma | AlexP: soft keylock only working in the WPS is not a real bug, just that the design decision earlier was to not have it in the lists (idea is: you only need to go there to chose new music). You could discuss about the radio and recording screen but their keymaps are already very crammed |
| 13:09:16 | bluebrother | amiconn: well, for me gcc says "gcc: The -mno-cygwin flag has been removed; use a mingw-targeted cross-compiler." |
| 13:09:32 | bluebrother | and I can install a gcc-mingw32 package from the installer |
| 13:09:34 | AlexP | pixelma: OK, thanks |
| 13:09:39 | amiconn | And what does gcc -v seay? |
| 13:09:48 | bluebrother | mingw32-gcc doesn't complain about -mno-cygwin |
| 13:09:56 | AlexP | pixelma: Could you say that there? :) |
| 13:09:57 | amiconn | *say |
| 13:10:45 | pixelma | :/ |
| 13:10:52 | amiconn | bluebrother ^^ |
| 13:11:21 | bluebrother | Target: i686-pc-cygwin |
| 13:11:33 | amiconn | Version is the important part |
| 13:11:50 | bluebrother | gcc version 4.3.4 20090804 (release) 1 (GCC) |
| 13:12:08 | amiconn | Yes, so it's gcc 4 |
| 13:12:25 | bluebrother | do we want to keep using gcc3 then? |
| 13:12:36 | amiconn | That's my point - if you have cygwin gcc 3.x, it still supports -mno-cygwin |
| 13:12:50 | amiconn | I'd say we should use whatever is there |
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| 13:13:06 | amiconn | So the check should be for gcc version, not cygwin version |
| 13:13:17 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 13:13:32 | bluebrother | that could of course result in a binary linked to cygwin-1.dll |
| 13:13:47 | amiconn | Why? |
| 13:13:48 | bluebrother | which happens if I use gcc4 without -mno-cygwin (unsurprisingly) |
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| 13:14:27 | amiconn | 'configure' should check gcc version, and if it's gcc4, switch to gcc-mingw32 (and complain if it's not installed) |
| 13:14:53 | * | amiconn rarely uses the cygwin environment these days |
| 13:14:56 | bluebrother | that doesn't work if running make in the tools folder manually |
| 13:15:27 | amiconn | I mainly use it for building voice files, and there it doesn't matter whether rbspeexenc needs cygwin1.dll |
| 13:15:30 | amiconn | hmm |
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| 13:15:34 | bluebrother | but speaking about rbspeex*, is linking not to cygwin-1.dll really an issue? Do we distribute it separately at all? |
| 13:16:16 | amiconn | Well, it's needed as a separate binary for voicebox (which is apparently still in use) |
| 13:16:28 | bluebrother | so we could safely just remove the -mno-cygwin, and in case someone wants to distribute a binary of rbspeex* he needs to either build using mingw or also ship cygwin-1.dll |
| 13:17:04 | bluebrother | is voicebox updated often? You should need the binary just once :) |
| 13:17:04 | amiconn | I guess that for rbspeexenc it could be removed; there are more tools built which all need checking |
| 13:17:16 | ruskie | so I got a sansa clip+ and am trying to figure out rbutil... from the select device dialog it seems that I need to point it to a mount point not a device file... and autodetect fails to detect it as well |
| 13:17:17 | bluebrother | yep. |
| 13:17:36 | ruskie | also I downloaded the latest available build of rockboxutility from the site and it keeps claiming there's a newer version |
| 13:17:37 | * | bluebrother wants convttf to work when built with MinGW and / or VS |
| 13:17:45 | amiconn | No, voicebox is rarely updated. We'd only need to update the binary if there are important bugfixes |
| 13:17:49 | bluebrother | ruskie: you're on Linux 64bit? |
| 13:17:53 | ruskie | yup |
| 13:18:09 | bluebrother | ruskie: that's a known issue and fixed in svn. Just ignore it. |
| 13:18:13 | ruskie | ok |
| 13:18:36 | ruskie | but it's correct that I need to point it to the mount point? |
| 13:18:42 | bluebrother | 1.2.9 shouldn't complain anymore about that :) |
| 13:18:47 | bluebrother | yes, you need to point to the mount point |
| 13:19:31 | ruskie | would help if it said mount point not device in the dialog for selection |
| 13:19:47 | bluebrother | hmm? It does speak about mount point |
| 13:20:16 | ruskie | Select your device in the filesystem: -> Browse to the destination folder: |
| 13:20:33 | ruskie | confusing |
| 13:21:08 | bluebrother | well, speaking about mount point will confuse all non-linux users |
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| 13:21:46 | AlexP | And quite a lot of linux users these days |
| 13:21:47 | bluebrother | and after all it talks about _device_, not _device file_ ;-) |
| 13:21:55 | ruskie | for me device == device file ;) |
| 13:22:05 | bluebrother | not for me (also linux user btw) |
| 13:22:16 | AlexP | I think we expect those who know what mount points are to be able to cope with this :) |
| 13:22:25 | bluebrother | but yeah, it's possible to improve that. But honestly I'd like to change quite a bit of the GUI anyway |
| 13:22:42 | ruskie | yeah I assumed that it wanted a mount point once I figured out it didn't list devices |
| 13:23:10 | ruskie | odd that it didn't autodetect... but it said it tried 4 devices and none of those was valid... |
| 13:23:20 | ruskie | I have a ton of sdX devices |
| 13:23:41 | bluebrother | are you running it as root? |
| 13:23:46 | ruskie | tried both user and root |
| 13:24:09 | bluebrother | plus, autodetection isn't 100% reliable for all devices. We have some devices we can't detect the mount point at all |
| 13:24:13 | ruskie | ahh |
| 13:24:27 | ruskie | is the autodetection relying on stuff like udev? |
| 13:24:29 | bluebrother | unless someone explains me how I could resolve USB ID -> device file |
| 13:25:31 | bluebrother | no. It tries various things: check USB IDs to figure the correct device. Check for special files in the filesystem. Check for special markers on the drive (firmware partition on Ipods and AMSv1) |
| 13:25:43 | ruskie | ahh |
| 13:25:49 | bluebrother | check for Rockbox files (once you have Rockbox installed detection works 100% reliable :) |
| 13:26:49 | ruskie | haven't yet gotten to that point |
| 13:27:07 | ruskie | since I first want to try if it actually works out-of-the-box... then I'll get rockbox on it |
| 13:28:16 | ruskie | also will the clip+ charge normaly via usb through rockbox?(I've read some bugs about it and someone that uses it mentioned some issues with charging)... |
| 13:28:23 | bluebrother | the installation usually only needs to write files to the device, hence we don't need the device file at all. There are a few exceptions (like Ipod bootloader installation), but those steps are usually just necessary once |
| 13:29:18 | * | bluebrother doesn't own a clip+ |
| 13:30:00 | ruskie | hmm I'm impressed that the clip+ is about as big as a shuffle 2g or a pebble... |
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| 13:34:57 | ruskie | hmm will an ext2 formated mSD card work with rockbox? |
| 13:35:26 | [Saint] | ruskie: No |
| 13:35:34 | [Saint] | that's a "RTFM" question |
| 13:35:53 | ruskie | :( |
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| 13:36:55 | MazlinG | moo. i'm wondering: is anyone interested in porting to the apple ipod nano 3g? |
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| 13:38:19 | [Saint] | MazlinG: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/IpodNano3GPort |
| 13:38:49 | MazlinG | [Saint]: yeah i read that, but people can quietly get on with dev and not tell anyone ;) |
| 13:39:21 | [Saint] | Defeats the purpose of a community, though. |
| 13:39:40 | [Saint] | People aren't in the business of keeping these thigns secret. |
| 13:39:49 | [Saint] | since, they usually need all the help they can get. |
| 13:40:01 | [Saint] | it's a *massive* undertaking. |
| 13:40:36 | MazlinG | but teh eearly, tentative stages in feeling out whether people would use it, or whether things are possible, is quiet ;) |
| 13:40:47 | [Saint] | Not at all. |
| 13:41:00 | [Saint] | Maybe to you, but, not to us. |
| 13:41:03 | AlexP | MazlinG: Speak to TheSeven |
| 13:41:04 | MazlinG | oh well, we can disagree |
| 13:41:07 | [Saint] | Or those who involve themselves. |
| 13:42:07 | MazlinG | i was just under the impression that the nano 3g wasn't as popular, because it was too small |
| 13:42:18 | MazlinG | i think it is perfect but, you know ... |
| 13:42:36 | [Saint] | It isn't as popular. You're right. |
| 13:42:39 | benedikt93 | many don't like its design so much (form what I heard) |
| 13:42:51 | [Saint] | this is sliding offtopic now though. |
| 13:42:57 | benedikt93 | MazlinG, I'm actually personally working a bit on this |
| 13:44:10 | benedikt93 | but it's a damn lot of work I don't really have the time & experience for to work that fast |
| 13:44:23 | MazlinG | yeah :'( |
| 13:44:34 | MazlinG | especially if very few can make use of your work |
| 13:44:38 | bluebrother | anyone using Rockbox Utility on Windows for generating voice / talk files with espeak? I'm considering to remove espeak support on Windows. Since espeak exposes its voices via SAPI I don't see much point in using it via espeak.exe |
| 13:44:38 | benedikt93 | also, most of the early iPod side dev work is done over at #freemyipod |
| 13:44:49 | bluebrother | or are there any advantages I'm not aware of? |
| 13:45:05 | [Saint] | bluebrother: I agree. |
| 13:45:21 | [Saint] | Since it's available with SAPI...no point. |
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| 13:46:21 | MazlinG | benedikt93: pfft, seen the logo at top-left? :E |
| 13:46:33 | bluebrother | plus it "fixes" this "sEpeak support needs work" but (which I personally find a rather annoying and unjustified "bug") |
| 13:47:03 | [Saint] | bluebrother: Agreed. |
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| 13:53:41 | * | pamaury thinks he managed to run some code on the fuze+ |
| 13:53:52 | [Saint] | woooo! |
| 13:53:56 | [Saint] | \0/ |
| 13:53:59 | [Saint] | nice work. |
| 13:56:39 | pamaury | now, to be completely sure, I need to have usb working |
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| 14:02:45 | bertrik | pamaury, do you have a recovery method too, in case your code hangs? |
| 14:03:58 | * | [Saint] seems to remember seeing that pamaury did indeed find recovery mode. |
| 14:07:03 | pamaury | I'm using the recovery mode |
| 14:07:29 | bluebrother | hmm −− where did the "use SAPI v4" option in Rockbox Utility go? |
| 14:07:43 | pamaury | unfortunately, currently I must use a crappy windows programs but as soon as I have a solid proof that my code works, I'll rewrite a linux tool |
| 14:09:18 | bluebrother | [Saint]: ok, there is one drawback: w2k doesn't ship SAPI5, and espeak doesn't support SAPI4 |
| 14:09:58 | [Saint] | is not supporting w2k much of a drawback? ;) |
| 14:10:07 | bluebrother | but are there still people using w2k anymore nowadays? |
| 14:10:36 | [Saint] | Possibly... |
| 14:10:38 | bluebrother | well, with the espeak command line client you can use it on w2k. Though I'm not declined in dropping that |
| 14:10:48 | [Saint] | it wouldn't surprise me. |
| 14:11:11 | bluebrother | well, I'm one of those people still using w2k :) But only for a build setup inside of a VM, not for actual work. |
| 14:11:19 | [Saint] | though I'm sure if we get a complaint about it "your OS is 11 years old" is a valid reason for lack of support :D |
| 14:11:51 | bluebrother | we don't support Windows 98 / ME which isn't muc holder |
| 14:13:19 | mystica555_ | win98/me are also much different codebases whereas 2k is NT based... |
| 14:14:13 | bluebrother | sure, but from a users perspective that's irrelevant :) |
| 14:15:26 | mystica555_ | indeed; but, oldness does not equal ease to support/not support |
| 14:15:38 | mystica555_ | at least, not directly without comparing other *(architectural) differences |
| 14:16:30 | bluebrother | sure. Supporting old OSes can be quite a pain :) |
| 14:16:50 | mystica555_ | but why? the archigecture changed :) |
| 14:16:57 | bluebrother | anyway, there might be a reason not to remove espeak support for Windows |
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| 14:27:04 | smk | hi, had applied for the buflib project. Any chance i can know about the number of proposals or review process etc? |
| 14:27:29 | smk | just curious :P |
| 14:27:33 | bluebrother | smk: would knowing that make any difference? |
| 14:28:20 | smk | no. it wouldn't. |
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| 14:31:29 | smk | just got a tad bit edgy. so asked. sorry |
| 14:31:31 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: talking of freescale imx23 ? |
| 14:31:43 | bluebrother | smk: no problem :) |
| 14:33:03 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: yes |
| 14:33:21 | TheLemonMan | you have documentation for the bootloader recovery mode ? |
| 14:33:28 | TheSeven | [13:38] <MazlinG> [Saint]: yeah i read that, but people can quietly get on with dev and not tell anyone ;) << he's right as far as propagating information from e.g. IRC to the wiki is concerned at least |
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| 14:34:32 | MazlinG | TheSeven: moot point imho, i was just wondering if anything was quietly going on :) |
| 14:35:24 | TheSeven | well, we can execute arbitrary code on it, but that's about it |
| 14:35:55 | TheSeven | someone needs to reverse engineer the hardware init code and write the flash and codec driver and FTL |
| 14:36:20 | TheSeven | once that's done it can probably share most of the remaining code with the ipod classic, which is very similar hardware |
| 14:41:55 | domonoky | bluebrother: i think i hid the "use sapi4" checkbox in rockbox utility some time ago, because it was not working correctly.. :-) |
| 14:50:03 | pamaury | any arm expert ? Reading the imx23, it says which exceptions are recognized and directed to the core; among them is "breakpoint" but I can't find it in the ARM doc so does it correspond to an interrupt vector ? |
| 14:52:59 | bluebrother | domonoky: ah, that might be the reason why SAPI isn't working on w2k :) |
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| 14:57:27 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: <TheLemonMan> you have documentation for the bootloader recovery mode ? |
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| 14:58:31 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: not really, I found a freescale program on the web, it uses some HId report to directly upload a sb file it seems, should be pretty easy to understand |
| 14:58:42 | pamaury | I also contacted freescale to get some doc, we'll see |
| 14:59:02 | TheLemonMan | the bastards down at freescale refused to give me some docs |
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| 15:00:26 | pamaury | what were you asking for ? |
| 15:02:33 | TheLemonMan | the bootloader docs |
| 15:02:58 | TheLemonMan | on the manual it's clearly stated that are freely available if requested |
| 15:03:16 | TheLemonMan | but they said i had to sign a NDA or something that way |
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| 15:03:55 | pamaury | for imx233 ? |
| 15:04:10 | pamaury | yes the manual says so |
| 15:04:12 | TheLemonMan | yup |
| 15:04:36 | pamaury | on the other hand, if I manage to reverse engineer just the part we need, that's will be sufficient |
| 15:04:42 | pamaury | do you have a imx233 based device ? |
| 15:04:52 | TheLemonMan | yeah, a samsung yp-q2 |
| 15:05:05 | TheLemonMan | i hacked the firmware and got code running on leenux |
| 15:05:28 | TheLemonMan | but wanted to do some low level stuff |
| 15:06:25 | TheLemonMan | as most of the drivers are just hacks (eg. the framebuffer has just a couple of ioctls implemented and uses tons of proprietary ones to do stupid stuff) |
| 15:07:11 | CIA-87 | New commit by jethead71 (r29697): Playlists forget to set playlist.started when creating new playlist on SWCODEC and which leads to flush-and-rebuffer messages never being sent again ... |
| 15:08:06 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: do you have access to the recovery mode ? |
| 15:08:27 | TheLemonMan | yep, i even tried sending SCSI commands but got no luck |
| 15:08:39 | TheLemonMan | when i figured it was HID based i gave up |
| 15:08:47 | pamaury | you can doesn't the windows tool on freescale's website |
| 15:08:50 | pamaury | *download |
| 15:08:57 | pamaury | the protocol seems pretty easy |
| 15:09:11 | pamaury | I had a keep look with wireshark |
| 15:09:14 | pamaury | *quick |
| 15:09:34 | TheLemonMan | does the tool supports simple inquiry command ? |
| 15:09:53 | TheLemonMan | as i dont want to risk to flash something |
| 15:10:07 | pamaury | the tool is clumsy, there is not doc but I manage to make it download a file to the RAM |
| 15:10:30 | pamaury | basically you provide a sb file (produced with elftosb2) and it loads it |
| 15:10:58 | TheLemonMan | oh, thats awesome |
| 15:11:13 | TheLemonMan | link to that tool ? |
| 15:11:30 | CIA-87 | r29697 build result: All green |
| 15:13:51 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: wait a minute, freescale's website isn't working great at the moment |
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| 15:14:15 | TheLemonMan | thanks :) btw did you capture the traces on windows or using a vm ? |
| 15:14:34 | pamaury | I used a vm and capturing everything with wireshark |
| 15:14:41 | pamaury | works great with this tool |
| 15:15:10 | pamaury | While I wait for the website here is what I think the protocol might be |
| 15:15:10 | TheLemonMan | i think i'll do the same |
| 15:15:29 | pamaury | All commands are sent with the SET_REPORT command |
| 15:15:55 | pamaury | the first one has a report ID of 1 iirc, and contains some data (always the same iirc, no idea of the meaning) |
| 15:16:14 | pamaury | then it directly sends the sb file |
| 15:16:42 | pamaury | each transfer is made up of 1025 bytes: '2' and then 1024 bytes of data; always with report 2 |
| 15:16:51 | pamaury | I didn't check if there was a final report at the end |
| 15:17:08 | TheLemonMan | the ID 1 might contain some handshake data |
| 15:17:21 | TheLemonMan | like a checksum of the incoming buffer |
| 15:17:42 | pamaury | not sure it's useful since the sb file itself has 2 SHA1 checksums !! |
| 15:17:56 | pamaury | but you're right, there might be something here |
| 15:18:01 | pamaury | like the size for example |
| 15:18:44 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: can you reach freescale.om ? |
| 15:18:44 | pamaury | c |
| 15:19:19 | TheLemonMan | nope |
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| 15:19:58 | pamaury | do you want me to send you the file ? Actually the freescale download is 100Mb Large but there is only one small interesting file in it :) |
| 15:20:42 | TheLemonMan | yeah, thanks :) |
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| 16:07:46 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: mind giving an hand to set up wireshark ? |
| 16:07:59 | wodz | ha, I finaly got datasheet for this nand chip (under NDA from micron) |
| 16:08:12 | pamaury | I'm not an expert but I can tr |
| 16:08:13 | pamaury | y |
| 16:08:33 | AlexP | wodz: The NDA still lets you publish code written from the datasheet? |
| 16:08:33 | pamaury | you probably need to run it as root to have access to the usb bus (or tweak some permissions) |
| 16:08:39 | wodz | yes |
| 16:08:51 | AlexP | nice |
| 16:08:53 | TheLemonMan | ive added my user to the wireshark group so i dont need root |
| 16:08:55 | wodz | it states I can't reveal the documentation itself |
| 16:09:00 | AlexP | yep |
| 16:09:04 | pamaury | otherwise that would a ROA (Read Only Agreeement) :) |
| 16:09:26 | AlexP | pamaury: Well you might well be able to publish a closed source thing written using it |
| 16:09:32 | AlexP | But not the source |
| 16:09:37 | pamaury | hum, true |
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| 16:09:49 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: can you capture on the usb buses ? |
| 16:10:03 | TheLemonMan | the usb0 interface doesnt show up |
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| 16:11:04 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: see http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/USB, under older versions of my distrib I needed this |
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| 16:21:04 | TheLemonMan | bleh doesnt show any usb device |
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| 16:21:40 | pamaury | do you run wiresharl as root ? |
| 16:22:00 | TheLemonMan | yup |
| 16:22:27 | TheLemonMan | yay i got it working :D |
| 16:22:40 | TheLemonMan | i forgot to load usbmon |
| 16:22:49 | pamaury | lol |
| 16:23:06 | pamaury | ok, now it's easy, just capture on the bus you have the device on |
| 16:23:21 | pamaury | you might want to filter out using the "usb.device_address=??" filter |
| 16:23:24 | TheLemonMan | shit, it's on the same bus as the webcam D: |
| 16:24:29 | pamaury | is that a problem ? |
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| 16:25:29 | TheLemonMan | i must filter the stuff now |
| 16:25:45 | wodz | or change the usb port |
| 16:26:04 | TheLemonMan | they all share the same bus |
| 16:26:07 | pamaury | just filter using the device address |
| 16:27:08 | pamaury | (the address doesn't change when you give it to a VM of course) |
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| 16:28:54 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: did you manage to capture some traffic ? |
| 16:29:15 | TheLemonMan | err, how do i get the device address ? |
| 16:29:29 | pamaury | dmesg for example |
| 16:29:30 | pamaury | or lsusb |
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| 16:34:44 | TheLemonMan | virtualbox wont proxy the usb device ,yay |
| 16:35:21 | pamaury | why ? |
| 16:35:35 | pamaury | you need the non-open-source version I think |
| 16:35:58 | pamaury | and some kernel modules compiled by virtualbox |
| 16:37:04 | * | pamaury leaves for a while and hopes TheLemonMan will overcome all these problems :) |
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| 17:21:12 | TheLemonMan | got the trace :D |
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| 17:26:47 | TheLemonMan | and figured some part of the protocol already |
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| 17:30:49 | TheLemonMan | brb in a few hours, cya |
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| 18:10:17 | bluebrother | gnah. |
| 18:10:39 | bluebrother | trying to debug the Windows TTS problem in Rockbox Utility and now it crashes in various other places. Great :( |
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| 18:16:52 | Gnos | What is the screen called where it is all black, except 3 options −− Top & bottom of screen = 'Show Files', sides of screen = 'Shuffle' and 'Repeat'? I'm asking so I can disable it, because I operate my player in my pocket a lot, and I keep accidentally entering that screen. |
| 18:17:18 | gevaerts | That's the quickscreen |
| 18:17:32 | Gnos | And it can be disabled through normal options? |
| 18:17:59 | gevaerts | There's no setting to disable it, no |
| 18:18:13 | Gnos | Could someone please tell me how to do it in the source code? |
| 18:19:26 | gevaerts | Comment out the "#define HAVE_QUICKSCREEN" line in the appropriate file in firmware/export/config/ |
| 18:19:42 | Gnos | Thank you so much ! |
| 18:19:46 | gevaerts | And hope that this didn't break at some point... |
| 18:20:17 | mshathlonxp | sounds like my problem :) |
| 18:21:03 | Gnos | gevaerts: hope that the ability to turn it off didn't break? |
| 18:21:08 | gevaerts | yes |
| 18:21:15 | gevaerts | That's not tested very often |
| 18:21:23 | Gnos | ok |
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| 19:52:33 | bluebrother | why is it a bug that the manual (is claimed to) use bitmap fonts instead of postscript fonts? |
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| 20:01:41 | [Saint] | bluebrother: I could come up with some suggestions, but they would be bugs lodged against the user ;) |
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| 20:06:19 | bluebrother | [Saint]: :) |
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| 20:08:56 | AlexP | bluebrother: Yeah, I thought that |
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| 20:14:30 | gbl08ma | hello everyone. today i've put some new musics on my player, including some MP3s with embedded album art. On the WPS, the album art is displayed correctly, but PictureFlow doesn't understand how to parse embedded AA yet, correct? at least, it doesn't display it on the album I put on the player. |
| 20:17:01 | AlexP | I believe that is correct |
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| 20:18:00 | ruskie | thanks to all that work on rockbox... it works great |
| 20:18:36 | AlexP | thanks (on behalf of all) :) |
| 20:19:06 | ruskie | why companies don't want to help with it... I don't get it... |
| 20:19:20 | bluebrother | because they don't make money out of it |
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| 20:19:42 | bluebrother | it's basically people are buying what they throw at them, so why create something better? |
| 20:19:59 | ruskie | and they make money out of what??? writting their own half broken implementations of things??? |
| 20:20:14 | bluebrother | yeps |
| 20:20:37 | ruskie | the way I see it that's loss not profit |
| 20:20:41 | bluebrother | and then creating the new version which is slightly better so people will spend money on their product again |
| 20:21:40 | bluebrother | I'm still using an Ipod Mini2g as my main player. Upgraded with a CF card and Rockbox it beats most players available on the market. |
| 20:22:12 | bluebrother | the only thing is that it looks less fancy because it's greyscale. Which I don't mind (I like it even better because you can read the display in direct sunlight) |
| 20:22:19 | ruskie | hehe |
| 20:22:35 | bluebrother | however, from the manufacturers point of view this is bad: I haven't bought a new player because of this. |
| 20:22:44 | ruskie | well the players I have are samsung pebble(2 of those) an ipod shuffle 2g and now a sansa clip+ |
| 20:23:05 | bluebrother | (well, I have bought a couple of players in the last year but that's for developing / testing, and those are used players so no profit for the manufacturer) |
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| 20:23:41 | ruskie | well in my case I'm always a loss customer since I won't buy things that don't qualify for my specs |
| 20:24:14 | bluebrother | it's the same for all the industry: why should Microsoft make MS Office better? They need features they can implement so people will buy the new version |
| 20:24:25 | AlexP | like AA fonts :) |
| 20:24:25 | bluebrother | (like: now can also print your documents! Get the new version!) |
| 20:24:31 | AlexP | buy RB 3.9! |
| 20:24:46 | bluebrother | AlexP: with a broken convttf? ;-) |
| 20:25:01 | bluebrother | it still creates nonsense when compiled with MinGW or VS. |
| 20:25:02 | ruskie | give it a fair price, package it on a nice shinny cd with sources and I'd pay for it most likely |
| 20:25:09 | AlexP | bluebrother: That'll be in 3.10 :) |
| 20:25:42 | bluebrother | but speaking about convttf, any objections to change to code so it's c89 compatible? I did that a while ago to be able building it with VS |
| 20:25:43 | AlexP | Actually, we ought to create a few AA fonts for the font pack before 3.9 |
| 20:26:04 | bluebrother | do we have free fonts we can do that with? DejaVu? |
| 20:26:22 | AlexP | I'm sure we can use some linux ones |
| 20:26:27 | AlexP | If we don't |
| 20:26:36 | ruskie | hmm need to look into converting fonts... |
| 20:26:46 | gbl08ma | the Ubuntu one looks pretty nice on my iPod nano. |
| 20:26:58 | bluebrother | what's that? |
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| 20:27:11 | gbl08ma | Ubuntu has its own font type since version 10.10 |
| 20:27:29 | gbl08ma | it's not copyrighted, IIRC it's GPL-like |
| 20:27:46 | * | ruskie prefers Aerial Mono for most of his font use... |
| 20:27:49 | Bagder | it has to be copyrighted to be GPL... |
| 20:28:06 | gbl08ma | i mean, not proprietary. sorry for the confusion. |
| 20:28:13 | bluebrother | Libertine? |
| 20:28:27 | AlexP | http://font.ubuntu.com/ |
| 20:28:37 | AlexP | ubuntu font licence 1.0 apparently |
| 20:29:29 | AlexP | who fancies reading it? :) |
| 20:29:33 | gbl08ma | ah it's a specific licence. that's why i didn't remember. |
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| 20:30:20 | gbl08ma | the licence isn't very big... |
| 20:30:29 | bluebrother | hehe, that Suetterlin font is funny |
| 20:30:31 | | Part vnl |
| 20:30:42 | bluebrother | maybe pretty unreadable on a DAP though |
| 20:31:31 | bluebrother | that looks like a good start: http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 20:33:31 | kugel | bluebrother: does convttf use c99 features msvc doesn't support? |
| 20:33:36 | bluebrother | and the fedora wiki also seems to have some list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Font_wishlist |
| 20:33:52 | bluebrother | kugel: msvc doesn't support c99 at all |
| 20:34:06 | [Saint] | regarding AA fonts... |
| 20:34:12 | bluebrother | the "features" it uses is basically only declaration of variables |
| 20:34:20 | kugel | not completely yes, but it supports most c99 features. IIRC |
| 20:34:25 | [Saint] | I have DroidSans/Bold converted from 12~50 |
| 20:34:31 | [Saint] | it's Apache licensed |
| 20:34:33 | bluebrother | no, it doesn't support c99 _at all_ |
| 20:34:47 | bluebrother | they _might_ have changed that with msvc2010, haven't checked that |
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| 20:34:54 | AlexP | [Saint]: go on... :) |
| 20:35:10 | [Saint] | you can have them. I'll upload. |
| 20:35:14 | bluebrother | but the last time I've checked it didn't look like MS was planning to add c99 |
| 20:35:22 | [Saint] | I converted them before convttf went nuts ;) |
| 20:35:41 | bluebrother | seems we now need fonts.rockbox.org :) |
| 20:35:53 | AlexP | [Saint]: Nice :) |
| 20:36:00 | AlexP | How do we want to name AA fonts? |
| 20:36:07 | AlexP | Have -AA at the end? |
| 20:36:37 | bluebrother | nah, we need something more subtle :) |
| 20:37:04 | ruskie | '+' ;) |
| 20:37:12 | ruskie | or maybe ~ ;) |
| 20:37:37 | gbl08ma_ | bluebrother (about fonts.rockbox.org): yep, it seems so :) now seriously, there should be a site to let users share not only themes, but also LUA scripts, icon packages, and things alike. |
| 20:38:17 | gbl08ma_ | IMO the AA fonts should have had a different file extension when support for them was added to RB. |
| 20:38:44 | bluebrother | gbl08ma_: well, I want to create fmpresets.rockbox.org since quite a while. Shouldn't be hard since it's only files with a couple of lines of text. But these days we're getting even more stuff to distribute. |
| 20:39:01 | bluebrother | .aafnt? |
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| 20:39:27 | AlexP | gbl08ma_: Hmm, could do |
| 20:39:37 | gbl08ma_ | .aafnt is ok for me. |
| 20:39:37 | [Saint] | AlexP: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-164b5d98.html |
| 20:39:54 | AlexP | I'd like to commit some aa fonts ([Saint]'s for instance) to give people some without having to convert |
| 20:40:01 | bluebrother | we can still change the extension for aa fonts |
| 20:40:15 | AlexP | yeah |
| 20:40:21 | AlexP | What do people think? |
| 20:40:26 | AlexP | I don't mind really |
| 20:40:27 | kugel | why should we change the extension? |
| 20:40:32 | kugel | it's the same file format |
| 20:40:33 | AlexP | That might be a bit artibtrary |
| 20:40:48 | AlexP | I'd lean towards just have -AA.fnt in the filename or something |
| 20:41:02 | * | kugel doesn't think naming them differently is necessary, but can understand the desire for it |
| 20:41:13 | gbl08ma_ | there should be a site: extras.rockbox.org (or) extensions.rockbox.org (or) usercontrib.rockbox.org |
| 20:41:15 | gbl08ma_ | btw, why do we need to distinguish between AA and non-AA fonts before selecting them? |
| 20:41:35 | gbl08ma_ | won't AA fonts always have a different name from the non-AA fonts that already exist? |
| 20:41:37 | AlexP | gbl08ma_: Some people don't like them, might only want to use one or the other without trying all |
| 20:41:58 | AlexP | gbl08ma_: Of course, but we have loads of fonts and the name gives no hint |
| 20:41:58 | [Saint] | Keeping it named "XX DroidSans/ -Bold" seems a bit weird to me, I don't think there's any obligation to keep the naming scheme is there? |
| 20:42:19 | [Saint] | even though that's what the font is called t seems weird, |
| 20:42:42 | AlexP | I think we do want to keep that |
| 20:42:56 | AlexP | You need to know the size for themes, and the other bit is just the name |
| 20:42:59 | bluebrother | gbl08ma_: stuff.rockbox.org ;) |
| 20:42:59 | AlexP | Why change that? |
| 20:43:49 | [Saint] | I wasn't suggesting changing formatting with the size, just the name "Droid" seems weird to me to associate with a non-RaaA target. |
| 20:43:56 | [Saint] | But, it's just me. |
| 20:44:07 | * | gbl08ma_ checks is the rockbox SVN includes the source for the website (like many OSS projects do) |
| 20:44:20 | AlexP | gbl08ma_: It does |
| 20:44:27 | AlexP | but not in trunk |
| 20:44:28 | AlexP | in www |
| 20:44:30 | gevaerts | [Saint]: that's the name of the font... |
| 20:44:39 | gbl08ma_ | thanks, I'll check it out. |
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| 20:45:34 | AlexP | gbl08ma_: themes.r... and translate.r... are separate also: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/ |
| 20:45:38 | kev2011 | hey |
| 20:45:49 | AlexP | hi |
| 20:46:01 | kev2011 | wasup ? |
| 20:46:10 | AlexP | Rockbox related please :) |
| 20:46:33 | kev2011 | is there any lua api documentation? |
| 20:46:45 | [Saint] | It's a nice fontset, anyway. I made it for various people complaining about not having large enough fonts for RaaA, and I needed a 12pt one and a 24pt one for a theme. So, I figured "Ah what the hey..." and sat down and converted the range in between. |
| 20:47:06 | gbl08ma_ | AlexP: I agree on keeping translate separated from user contributions (although it is a user contribution anyway), but themes should go along with other contribs. |
| 20:47:26 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: unfortunately, not much documentation is out about LUA in Rockbox. |
| 20:47:40 | AlexP | kev2011: Sort of: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginLua |
| 20:47:51 | kev2011 | ya i saw it but its aweful |
| 20:47:52 | AlexP | [Saint]: Yeah, tis good work |
| 20:48:07 | kev2011 | is there any other smaple code ? |
| 20:48:25 | gbl08ma_ | sample in the sense of teaching, no. |
| 20:48:29 | gbl08ma_ | (I think) |
| 20:48:32 | AlexP | kev2011: Only the (one?) plugin in svn |
| 20:48:44 | kev2011 | not teaching but like other lua script |
| 20:48:56 | [Saint] | AlexP: It's a whopping 17MB though, which isn't too bad considering GNU Unifont. |
| 20:49:07 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: You can take a look at the (very few) LUA plugins available in the tracker. |
| 20:49:47 | AlexP | [Saint]: Well the current fonts zip is 3.2mb, so this adds 1.3 I think |
| 20:49:54 | AlexP | So not too bad |
| 20:49:58 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: there is a lua game (pixel painter) and a contacts application (written by me) on the tracker. |
| 20:49:58 | kev2011 | so it's the only thing available right now? |
| 20:50:10 | gbl08ma_ | key2011: I think so |
| 20:50:11 | AlexP | Other than the code, as far as I am aware yes |
| 20:50:22 | kev2011 | i know about pixel painter but not contacts |
| 20:50:30 | kev2011 | im gonna check this out! |
| 20:51:04 | gbl08ma_ | everyone: the existence of a stuff.rockbox.org site for user contributions would motivate the development of LUA scripts |
| 20:51:35 | [Saint] | would it have AI? ;) |
| 20:51:39 | * | gbl08ma_ thinks that he hasn't had much time to look to his LUA contacts plugin |
| 20:51:50 | kev2011 | a way better documentation would motivated it |
| 20:52:11 | * | gbl08ma_ also has forgot to check pixel-painter on the official build. |
| 20:52:29 | [Saint] | that's where people like yourself that care enough about it to want it come in handy. |
| 20:52:38 | [Saint] | coupled with the fact we have a wiki. |
| 20:52:44 | gbl08ma_ | I posted some sample code to the PluginLUA wiki page |
| 20:52:53 | [Saint] | good job! |
| 20:53:08 | gbl08ma_ | my intention was to write a comprehensive LUA tutorial on how to code for RB in LUA |
| 20:53:41 | kev2011 | gb108ma did you wrote pixel painter? |
| 20:53:47 | gbl08ma_ | but I haven't had time to write it yet. the biggest obstacle is that it seems nobody knows what LUA is able to do exactly on RB! |
| 20:53:51 | gbl08ma_ | key2011: no |
| 20:54:31 | [Saint] | gbl08ma_: The source code knows exactly what it's allowed to do. |
| 20:54:42 | gbl08ma_ | I mean, it seems nobody is really interested on LUA development amongst the RB community. |
| 20:54:52 | kev2011 | i've sucesfuly written my first lua script and run it on my ipod nano 2g :D |
| 20:54:54 | gbl08ma_ | Thus, there is very few documentation available. |
| 20:55:46 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: if you have a nano2g, the contacts plugin should run perfectly on it as it was developed using that exact device model :) |
| 20:55:56 | kev2011 | yeh :D |
| 20:56:31 | gbl08ma_ | About the stuff.rockbox.org site, is anyone willing to work on it? |
| 20:56:42 | kev2011 | whats that |
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| 20:57:11 | gevaerts | gbl08ma_: we tend to be good at having ideas and discussing what *should* be done... |
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| 20:58:27 | kev2011 | xD |
| 20:58:49 | gbl08ma_ | yes, i'm not saying it's gonna be done right now... ;) I wanted to ask if any more people think that a site, that allows people to share RB-desgined stuff, would be interesting. |
| 20:59:12 | gevaerts | Ah, *now* you're talking! |
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| 20:59:21 | gevaerts | Of course I think it would be a good idea :) |
| 20:59:53 | * | gevaerts hopes someone will work on it |
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| 21:00:01 | kev2011 | yup i agree |
| 21:00:30 | gbl08ma_ | Other thing to be discussed is, what kind of things would that site allow users to share. |
| 21:00:36 | [Saint] | gbl08ma_: Couldn't you just create a wiki page? |
| 21:01:11 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: ohai |
| 21:01:27 | gevaerts | [Saint]: themes moved away from the wiki for a reason I guess |
| 21:01:35 | gbl08ma_ | a wiki page is a very difficult way to contribute with files IMO. |
| 21:02:13 | kev2011 | humm.. gb108ma your script just crashed XD |
| 21:02:28 | gbl08ma_ | on the wiki, everybody willing to publish a script or a theme (when themes were on the wiki) needed to have an active wiki account, edit the themes page carefully to not break the whole page... what a hassle! |
| 21:03:02 | bluebrother | gbl08ma_: I don't think allowing _anyone_ to post / share / edit files is a good idea these days |
| 21:03:02 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: details please. (if you're going to write much, reply on the tracker item to avoid offtopic here) |
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| 21:03:13 | bluebrother | too much spam, bots, abuse |
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| 21:03:25 | gbl08ma_ | then, what is done on the themes site? |
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| 21:03:50 | gbl08ma_ | doesn't it allow everyone (even without a forum or tracker account) to publish a theme? |
| 21:03:53 | bluebrother | the themes site is limited to themes, and it does quite a lot of checking so people don't misuse it for something else |
| 21:04:22 | [Saint] | specific file types, confirmation email. |
| 21:04:34 | gbl08ma_ | Yep, it is true that LUA scripts can be done to do many things... |
| 21:04:48 | gbl08ma_ | specially when they have access to filesystem (delete...) |
| 21:04:56 | [Saint] | indeed. |
| 21:05:44 | gbl08ma_ | to securely share LUA scripts, we would need to implement Application-Control-Access on Rockbox, making Rockbox buggy like MS Vista :) |
| 21:06:06 | kev2011 | gb108ma your script work fine but when you add a contact and you type something then you cancel it crashed |
| 21:06:18 | gbl08ma_ | then Rockbox would ask "contacts.lua wants to have access to your hard drive. Allow?" |
| 21:06:27 | kev2011 | iim gonna run it on the sim |
| 21:06:46 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: I'm aware of that, don't waste your time running it in the sim |
| 21:07:11 | kev2011 | ok ;P |
| 21:07:52 | gbl08ma_ | Now that I think on the security aspect of LUA scripts, I'm not sure if it is really a good idea to share scripts... |
| 21:08:04 | kev2011 | why |
| 21:08:24 | gbl08ma_ | Given that writing a "rm -rf /"-type script in LUA for Rockbox is very easy |
| 21:08:47 | gbl08ma_ | And you don't want to see your player flash contects wiped by a script, do you? |
| 21:08:51 | kev2011 | why wiykd someone do that |
| 21:09:05 | kev2011 | *would |
| 21:09:15 | gevaerts | People do |
| 21:09:21 | gbl08ma_ | By the same reason MS Windows has lots of viruses and more are created every day. |
| 21:09:24 | kev2011 | for rb ? |
| 21:09:56 | gbl08ma_ | For any platform. Remember that while Linux is almost virus free, it doesn't mean it's impossible to write virus for Linux. Same for RB. |
| 21:09:56 | [Saint] | no. |
| 21:10:22 | [Saint] | I suspect the rb viral saturation is low-to-nonexistent ;) |
| 21:10:30 | gbl08ma_ | "Same for RB", if you run a LUA script without checking its contents first, obviously |
| 21:10:39 | kev2011 | yup but i mean why would someone do that on rb its not as used as windows |
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| 21:11:26 | gevaerts | Why do they do it on windows? |
| 21:11:38 | gevaerts | Some people just like destroying other people's stuff... |
| 21:11:55 | bluebrother | nice warning: convttf.c:210: warning: string length ‘1352’ is greater than the length ‘509’ IS |
| 21:11:58 | bluebrother | O C90 compilers are required to support |
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| 21:12:11 | bluebrother | urgh, what happened with this paste? |
| 21:13:08 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: if you compare things relatively, you see: Windows is for PC - it's the most used OS; RB is for players (and now for Android and Maemo too) - it's not as used as Windows, but runs in lots of players (more than any proprietary firmware) |
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| 21:13:54 | kev2011 | yeah maybe more than i think .. |
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| 21:15:32 | kev2011 | well if the script is not in the official relase of rb then the user has to be awared that it might be a malicious script |
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| 21:16:25 | gbl08ma_ | I don't think there would be a big problem on sharing LUA scripts through the site because 1. the scripts would be there for anyone to see, and it's a bit stupid to code a "virus" then put it on the scripts gallery for everyone to see, no? |
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| 21:16:47 | gbl08ma_ | And if we find that a script is malicious, we can always take it off the gallery, no? |
| 21:16:49 | AlexP | gbl08ma_: Only if anyone with a clue checks them |
| 21:16:52 | kev2011 | and there so purpose to make a virus on rb .. |
| 21:17:00 | kev2011 | *there is no |
| 21:17:14 | bluebrother | what if someone posts material that infringes copyright? |
| 21:17:40 | bluebrother | someone posting any kind of virus is nothing I have too much concerns about |
| 21:17:42 | kev2011 | kill him |
| 21:17:47 | gbl08ma_ | AlexP: Remember that there aren't so many people developing LUA scripts like that... at least for now |
| 21:17:55 | gevaerts | What if someone just uploads a "lua" script that has lots of spammy URLs in it? |
| 21:17:56 | bluebrother | and 1000s of users already downloaded it |
| 21:18:09 | gevaerts | The "attack" target doesn't have to be a rockbox device |
| 21:18:09 | AlexP | exactly |
| 21:18:16 | kev2011 | ah i see |
| 21:18:21 | AlexP | I think as a project we have to be very careful about this |
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| 21:18:52 | kev2011 | i didnt think about that :S |
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| 21:19:06 | gbl08ma_ | A LUA code parser could be written in PHP or CGI (if some doesn't exist already) and if the script returns errors, the site won't accept |
| 21:19:22 | gbl08ma_ | or instead of not accepting, it could put the script for manual reviewing. |
| 21:19:50 | bluebrother | sure. But that leaves us to what we currently have with the theme site: some software that does rather strict checking |
| 21:19:53 | gbl08ma_ | You see, a LUA code parser won't parse http://thisisspam.com as that isn't valid LUA code. |
| 21:20:06 | bluebrother | which in turn means that you need such a site for any file type users want to share. |
| 21:20:07 | gbl08ma_ | exactly. |
| 21:20:15 | gevaerts | gbl08ma_: no, but presumably something like "http://thisisspam.com" *is* |
| 21:20:26 | bluebrother | one for fonts. One for fm presets. One for lua. One for ... |
| 21:20:37 | gevaerts | And spammers are getting more sophisticated all the time |
| 21:20:51 | gbl08ma_ | Fonts are easy as they have a specific file header, no? |
| 21:20:56 | bluebrother | given the fact that we already have enough code to write and too less time to do so I wouldn't want to add more work there |
| 21:21:09 | gbl08ma_ | And how would you put spam on a RB font? |
| 21:21:28 | wtachi | every character appears as http://thisisspam.com |
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| 21:21:33 | bluebrother | so upload an mp3 file that has the font file header in front of it, and post a text saying "strip the first 10 bytes of the file to play it"? |
| 21:22:06 | gevaerts | Well, font files presumably can be checked a bit more without too much difficulty |
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| 21:22:11 | gbl08ma_ | wtachi: that's a bit difficult to put a url on a 32x32 (at max) square, no? |
| 21:22:15 | wtachi | oh |
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| 21:22:46 | bluebrother | font files - yes. But what other files can't? |
| 21:22:47 | gevaerts | But yes, I agree that a decent checker is needed if we want "easy" font sharing |
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| 21:23:22 | gevaerts | bluebrother: we have to be careful not to go overboard in the other direction either |
| 21:23:24 | gbl08ma_ | if people and bots were to post spam on the RB sites, we would have the theme site full of spam, with, for example, themes which backdrop is an ad. |
| 21:23:50 | gevaerts | "We can't check lua scripts, so we won't do *anything*" isn't a good idea either |
| 21:24:50 | kev2011 | all of the files that user post are validated by people right now? |
| 21:24:51 | [Saint] | gbl08ma_; the likelyhood of a spambot figuring out what's needed to be a valid theme is so remote..it's not funny. |
| 21:25:00 | [Saint] | the themesite is a poor example. |
| 21:25:11 | gbl08ma_ | And hey, humans are not sooo stupid as we are making them. if such site lets users post comments, or at least, rate and report items, a way too reported (or bad rated) item (script, font or whatever) would catch the attention of the site admins, no? |
| 21:25:27 | gevaerts | gbl08ma_: yes |
| 21:25:40 | gevaerts | We need to find a proper balance |
| 21:25:59 | gevaerts | Well |
| 21:26:00 | gbl08ma_ | about massive bot attacks (1000's of scripts being posted every minute), that's easy to control too IMO |
| 21:26:19 | gbl08ma_ | just impose a limit on how much a specific IP can upload per day( or hour). |
| 21:26:52 | [Saint] | you should go solve the spam problems on the forum ;) |
| 21:26:58 | gbl08ma_ | that, combined with captcha and email confirmation gives a pretty secure bot protection I think. |
| 21:27:09 | gevaerts | Spam isn't done by bots any more |
| 21:27:10 | gbl08ma_ | I don't see that much spam on the forum :) |
| 21:27:28 | gevaerts | gbl08ma_: do you know how many people clean up the forum? :) |
| 21:27:29 | [Saint] | gbl08ma_: it's mostly removed before you see it. |
| 21:27:40 | gevaerts | Spam doesn't *stay* long, but it is there |
| 21:27:52 | gevaerts | And it's tweaked to look harmless and on topic |
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| 21:28:28 | [Saint] | saying "spam is easy to solve" is practically laughable. |
| 21:28:42 | gbl08ma_ | compare the number of forum posts and the expected number of lua scripts per day |
| 21:28:44 | gbl08ma_ | it'd be much easier to check for SPAM fonts and LUA scripts than for spam forum posts |
| 21:29:40 | gevaerts | How many scripts do we expect anyway? |
| 21:30:07 | gbl08ma_ | I don't see more than 10 scripts posted per day. even 10 is a high number. |
| 21:30:22 | gbl08ma_ | there will be weeks without posting scripts |
| 21:30:26 | gevaerts | I'd believe 10 per year :) |
| 21:30:29 | bluebrother | that doesn't make a script site less a target for attackers |
| 21:30:34 | gbl08ma_ | gevaerts: exactly |
| 21:30:40 | bluebrother | 10 per decade! ;-) |
| 21:30:49 | [Saint] | that's more likely. |
| 21:30:53 | gevaerts | bluebrother: no, but it does make it at least possible to consider a "moderator queue" |
| 21:30:54 | gbl08ma_ | bluebrother: not so much |
| 21:31:24 | gbl08ma_ | a moderator queue would be the best solution in the first times of the site I think |
| 21:31:43 | gbl08ma_ | if we see we're receiving too many scripts to be possible to check them manually, then we'll see |
| 21:32:04 | gevaerts | One problem these days is that we also have phone ports. That has the potential to make us *much* more attractive for attackers |
| 21:32:14 | gbl08ma_ | personally I have a couple of simple LUA scripts on my player that could be shared on a site like that. |
| 21:32:21 | AlexP | [Saint]: Do you have the bdf versions of those fonts? |
| 21:32:26 | bluebrother | gevaerts: true |
| 21:32:27 | wtachi | if it's that few, you could just have people ask in IRC to have a script posted |
| 21:32:56 | bluebrother | gevaerts: just remove the Android port. It's unusable after all :) |
| 21:33:02 | gbl08ma_ | wtachi: like having a page saying "We have these scripts available, contact XXXperson if you want some of them"? |
| 21:33:05 | [Saint] | AlexP: they were converted from a .ttf font. |
| 21:33:10 | [Saint] | I have those, somewhere. |
| 21:33:11 | * | domonoky thinks it would be nice to have more sites for user contributed things.. but it looks like we dont have many people who want to work on such sites.. and they need quite a bit of web-coding for checking etc.. |
| 21:33:14 | gevaerts | bluebrother: I agree! That will also resolve the debate about the "mission statement" :) |
| 21:33:26 | bluebrother | we have a mission? |
| 21:33:29 | AlexP | I'm under the impression that we have the bdfs in svn |
| 21:33:33 | domonoky | for example the themesite was still at 3.7 for checkwps (until today) |
| 21:33:40 | gevaerts | bluebrother: no, just a statement :) |
| 21:33:40 | wtachi | gbl08ma_: no, anyone can download a script, but only trusted people can upload them |
| 21:33:41 | AlexP | And .fnt formats are generated from those |
| 21:33:41 | gbl08ma_ | Hey, I don't think it makes sense to interpret LUA from Rockbox in Android anyway... |
| 21:33:44 | * | bluebrother wants to build convttf with VS and have it working, but that's not a mission |
| 21:33:45 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: did you figured out the protocol ? |
| 21:33:51 | AlexP | But I may be wrong :) |
| 21:33:51 | gevaerts | bluebrother: "Rockbox is an open source firmware for mp3 players, written from scratch" |
| 21:33:59 | bluebrother | ah, that one |
| 21:34:13 | bluebrother | gevaerts: "Rockbox is an open source firmware for outdated mp3 players" :P |
| 21:34:34 | domonoky | s/firmware/software/ and we are fine :-) |
| 21:34:42 | kev2011 | Xd |
| 21:34:44 | * | gbl08ma_ thinks that in the last minutes the IRC has 100000 times more activity than the SVN. conclusion: too many people talking and very few people working :) |
| 21:34:59 | gevaerts | bluebrother: "Rockbox is an open source place to argue about features" :) |
| 21:35:29 | kev2011 | that's sad |
| 21:35:54 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: yep, i just need to find out how to use libhid (or libusb) to send the commands back |
| 21:36:19 | pamaury | libusb is easy to use |
| 21:36:33 | pamaury | don't know about libhid, never used such a thing |
| 21:36:44 | TheLemonMan | is that enough to talk with the device ? |
| 21:36:44 | pamaury | perhaps you can document it on the wiki ? |
| 21:36:54 | pamaury | libusb is sufficient yes |
| 21:37:05 | bcoco85 | gbl08ma_: its saturday |
| 21:37:06 | TheLemonMan | so, gimme a few mins to write a tester |
| 21:37:27 | bluebrother | gevaerts: "Rockbox is a smurf for smurf written from smurf" :D |
| 21:37:45 | gevaerts | bluebrother: I *knew* that would come in useful some day! :) |
| 21:38:02 | bluebrother | hehe. I kinda liked that back then :) |
| 21:38:16 | bcoco85 | actually i love the "random trance loop" rockbox's feature |
| 21:38:46 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: if you want, I can provide with an example but really libusb is easy to use |
| 21:39:26 | TheLemonMan | np, i should have some code in the trash |
| 21:40:47 | kev2011 | gb108ma can you send me your couple of lua scripts that you were talking about? |
| 21:42:28 | * | AlexP posts to -dev about AA fonts |
| 21:46:09 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: they are just scripts to enable and disabling CPU boost quickly, for debug purposes. You won't find them useful, I think. |
| 21:46:17 | [Saint] | AlexP: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-70a6640d.html these are the .ttf fonts they were converted from. |
| 21:46:24 | [Saint] | (if that helps any) |
| 21:46:36 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: it's not difficult to write yours if you're interested |
| 21:46:59 | bluebrother | hmm, convttf copes with paths to the file but not if that path uses \ |
| 21:47:19 | AlexP | [Saint]: thanks, I'll see what the response to the e-mail gives |
| 21:48:06 | kev2011 | ok i'm gonna look at your contacts code then |
| 21:48:30 | bluebrother | and the output when build with VS is still wrong. |
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| 21:50:28 | gbl08ma_ | kev2011: note that the table save/open code is not written by me, I found it at lua official website under no explicit license. I take it as public domain. |
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| 21:55:55 | [Saint] | AlexP: It will be a while before I get the chance to reply to the mailing list properly, but IMO generating the .fnt's at build time is not an option, you can feel free to pass this opinion on if I have not found the time to do so yet. The reason I believe this is so, is that *every* single one of the fonts required different tweaks to the ascent'descent and character spacing to get them to appear "uniforom". |
| 21:56:33 | AlexP | [Saint]: Would be good to say that, you can just post this when you get the chance :) |
| 21:57:54 | [Saint] | It would be nice to generate them in this way, but there's no one value you could use as a "recipie" to get a consistent result through the range of sizes. |
| 21:58:32 | [Saint] | It required a lot of tedious editing for each size, but the end result was worth it. |
| 21:58:56 | AlexP | [Saint]: It would be very useful to say that when you get a second |
| 21:59:28 | [Saint] | I'll write it out with a bit more thought when I get home. |
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| 22:02:43 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: im having some issues with libusb :| |
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| 22:06:48 | wodz | libusb is tricky at first |
| 22:07:09 | gbl08ma_ | i'm getting a DB error on themes.rockbox.org |
| 22:07:19 | TheLemonMan | it keeps returning different errors each time |
| 22:07:39 | gbl08ma_ | and anyone knows that's the problem? |
| 22:07:49 | gbl08ma_ | *by that's I meant what's |
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| 22:08:59 | bluebrother | gevaerts: you had some patch to fix those escape sequences in convttf, right? |
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| 22:10:40 | gevaerts | bluebrother: I *had*, yes :\ |
| 22:10:47 | * | gevaerts seems to have mislaid it |
| 22:10:59 | whoismaple | Anyone know how to check battery level while charging? or if it is even possible. |
| 22:10:59 | gevaerts | It was quite hacky though |
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| 22:11:23 | gevaerts | I think I just used \r and some extra spaces at the end of the format string to make sure |
| 22:11:55 | [Saint] | whoismaple: system > debug (keep out!) > view battery |
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| 22:12:47 | bluebrother | gevaerts: well, at least better than some escape characters that don't work reliably |
| 22:13:01 | whoismaple | I'm actually on that screen right now, how would i know its at %100? |
| 22:13:02 | [Saint] | whoismaple: what is available in this screen is vastly target dependant. |
| 22:13:18 | [Saint] | what target is it? |
| 22:13:24 | gevaerts | bluebrother: the escape characters work quite reliably for me :) |
| 22:13:37 | whoismaple | sanza fuze v1 |
| 22:13:57 | gevaerts | rasher, domonoky: did you have access to the theme site? |
| 22:14:05 | [Saint] | you can *possibly* use the wheel to scroll to another page of the battery screen. |
| 22:14:47 | bluebrother | escape sequence to be exact |
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| 22:14:59 | [Saint] | whoismaple; Whoops, I forgot an easier way ;) |
| 22:15:05 | rasher | gevaerts: sure |
| 22:15:13 | [Saint] | system > debug (keep out) > Rockbox Info |
| 22:15:17 | gevaerts | rasher: "DB Error: database is locked" |
| 22:15:25 | rasher | Oh dear |
| 22:15:35 | gevaerts | No idea if user access is good enough to clean that up though |
| 22:15:36 | whoismaple | i tried that screen first it just says "charging" |
| 22:15:55 | whoismaple | but in the battery info on the last page it says 18% |
| 22:16:06 | whoismaple | perharps that is it? |
| 22:16:22 | [Saint] | Hmmm...odd. Well, there's the idea then. Apparently this infomation isn't presented in a sane way. |
| 22:16:29 | [Saint] | (on your device) |
| 22:16:31 | TheLemonMan | the control message keeps timing out, any idea ? |
| 22:16:45 | [Saint] | The only way to do it would be to use a theme that presents this info in the .sbs |
| 22:17:10 | whoismaple | good idea :) thanks im gonna try that |
| 22:17:18 | rasher | gevaerts: Well... |
| 22:17:51 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: that's not quite normal |
| 22:17:54 | bluebrother | interesting, msvc doesn't complain about that escape sequence but gcc does |
| 22:18:11 | pamaury | are you sure you're using it correctly ? and sending the good messages ? |
| 22:18:39 | gevaerts | bluebrother: it may not complain, but I doubt if the resulting binary will behave as intended |
| 22:18:55 | gevaerts | rasher: anything to see? |
| 22:19:05 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: if you are bored, just pastebin it so I can try to use/fix it |
| 22:19:16 | bluebrother | gevaerts: well, convttf doesn't behave as intended when built with MSVC or MinGW anyway. |
| 22:19:19 | gevaerts | Or do we need to find scorche|sh to kick the webserver? |
| 22:19:26 | bluebrother | though I'd really like to know why. |
| 22:19:39 | rasher | gevaerts: You probably don't want to hear this.. |
| 22:20:06 | gevaerts | rasher: uh, bad? |
| 22:20:15 | rasher | Sort of - it's sqlite |
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| 22:20:50 | rasher | I'm amazed it hasn't caused more trouble |
| 22:21:00 | gevaerts | What is it doing? |
| 22:21:28 | rasher | Trying to figure out how to tell |
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| 22:22:43 | gevaerts | hm, I seem to have some login data too. Let's see if that still works |
| 22:23:06 | rasher | Hm, there's a -journal |
| 22:23:52 | rasher | owned by www-data, of course >_< |
| 22:23:58 | kev2011 | hey how do you use the MENU button on ipod ? rb.actions.ACTION_KBD_MENU ? |
| 22:24:47 | gevaerts | hrm, yes |
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| 22:25:28 | rasher | Maybe scorche|sh forcefully apache will do the trick |
| 22:25:37 | rasher | er, forcefully restarting |
| 22:25:46 | rasher | It's supposed to fix itself the next time a process opens the db |
| 22:25:47 | AlexP | I prefer the first version |
| 22:26:00 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: http://pastie.org/private/zpdjtbxcq8c0hilt97rheg |
| 22:26:19 | rasher | But I suspect a hung apache process has the db open or something |
| 22:26:31 | rasher | Of course with only user access it's hard to tell |
| 22:26:55 | * | gevaerts nods |
| 22:27:46 | * | rasher vigorously pings scorche|sh |
| 22:28:45 | rasher | > If a crash or power loss does occur and a hot journal is left on the disk, it is essential that the original database file and the hot journal remain on disk with their original names until the database file is opened by another SQLite process and rolled back. |
| 22:29:20 | gevaerts | Yes, but if the original process is still there, that first has to stop |
| 22:29:25 | rasher | Indeed |
| 22:29:32 | rasher | Nothing you and I can do about it |
| 22:29:42 | gevaerts | Unless... |
| 22:29:46 | rasher | Oh? |
| 22:29:48 | gevaerts | What kernel is he running? ;) |
| 22:30:23 | rasher | "2.6.18.8-linode22" |
| 22:31:00 | gevaerts | hm, let's not go that way :) |
| 22:32:31 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: why payload size set to -1 ? |
| 22:33:06 | TheLemonMan | i was trying to send succesfully the handshake first |
| 22:33:56 | pamaury | in which direction is the transfer ? |
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| 22:34:20 | pamaury | and why sleep(2) ? |
| 22:34:42 | TheLemonMan | the direction is out |
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| 22:35:03 | TheLemonMan | the sleep is there because i taught it wanted some time to init |
| 22:35:21 | CIA-87 | New commit by bluebrother (r29698): Make convttf build with C89 compilers. ... |
| 22:35:25 | pamaury | I don't think it's needed |
| 22:35:53 | pamaury | I'll have a look later, thanks for trying. Did you documented the protocol somewhere ? |
| 22:36:05 | TheLemonMan | nope |
| 22:36:17 | TheLemonMan | want me to setup a wiki page ? |
| 22:36:32 | pamaury | yes, that would be nice |
| 22:36:56 | pamaury | perhaps we should create a imx233 page |
| 22:39:56 | CIA-87 | r29698 build result: All green |
| 22:40:19 | gevaerts | rasher: one thing we *could* do is copy the database and move both the database and journal file away |
| 22:40:52 | rasher | gevaerts: can we even move the journal file? |
| 22:41:05 | gevaerts | we should |
| 22:41:15 | gevaerts | The directory is ours |
| 22:41:21 | rasher | Ah hm |
| 22:41:27 | gevaerts | And no sticky stuff |
| 22:41:41 | rasher | I suspect that would be fine |
| 22:41:45 | rasher | it's probably just a vote or something |
| 22:41:49 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: could you please send me your usb traces ? |
| 22:42:22 | rasher | The journal is 20 bytes, how important can it be :) |
| 22:42:27 | gevaerts | Not much :) |
| 22:43:11 | rasher | Yeah, let's do that. Worst that can happen is it doesn't work, and we can go back to being stuck |
| 22:43:17 | * | gevaerts nods |
| 22:43:51 | rasher | Should I or are you going to? |
| 22:44:04 | gevaerts | Go ahead! |
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| 22:46:27 | rasher | That's.. weird |
| 22:46:39 | rasher | still locked? locked again? |
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| 22:47:42 | gevaerts | rasher: the copy should be named themes.db. Locking is on inode probably |
| 22:48:15 | rasher | oh ah |
| 22:48:18 | rasher | I did it wrong, then |
| 22:48:50 | rasher | okay here we go |
| 22:49:28 | gevaerts | Yay! |
| 22:49:35 | sideral | pamaury, jhMikeS: I have reopened FS #11877 - Spurious filesystem corruption after entering USB mode |
| 22:51:27 | wodz | interesting - rockchip nand module seems to have 0x200 buffer only and moves it along to fill the page. Have anyone seen something like this? |
| 22:52:48 | bluebrother | wow, MSVC2010 does include stdint.h! |
| 22:56:43 | bluebrother | still no c99 support though. Even the easiest stuff isn't working :/ |
| 22:57:38 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: I'll do that as soon as I can, let me re reboot under linux |
| 22:57:58 | TheLemonMan | nice :) |
| 22:58:23 | TheLemonMan | im reading the docs to find some more infos |
| 22:58:36 | TheLemonMan | but theres nothing new |
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| 23:01:37 | * | pamaury will reboot under linux$ |
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| 23:18:59 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: I've got a report |
| 23:19:18 | pamaury | s/report/trace |
| 23:20:51 | TheLemonMan | can you pastie it ? |
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| 23:21:39 | pamaury | do you have a preferred format ? |
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| 23:22:24 | TheLemonMan | plain txt is fine |
| 23:22:59 | pamaury | hum, export doesn't want to work :( |
| 23:24:42 | TheLemonMan | just like libusb, heh |
| 23:25:22 | pamaury | urg, wireshark is buggy as hell |
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| 23:28:32 | pamaury | huh, and now that I managed to export it, it didn't include the content of the packets ! |
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| 23:29:21 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: http://pastebin.com/iYNJxnxb |
| 23:31:19 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: http://pastebin.com/jKC4yc7D is the file I sent |
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| 23:33:38 | TheLemonMan | i guess there are some magic commands issued with intr transfers |
| 23:36:07 | TheLemonMan | what was that .sb meant to do anyway ? |
| 23:36:23 | pamaury | disconnect usb and disable usbphy |
| 23:37:02 | TheLemonMan | was thinking of fancy framebuffer filling |
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| 23:37:53 | pamaury | I think the protocol is simple: first report has some info and then it has the content; I'll have a look in a minute |
| 23:39:11 | TheLemonMan | im going to get another trace |
| 23:39:23 | TheLemonMan | with another cool program that decodes hid reports on the fly |
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| 23:44:40 | pamaury | TheLemonMan: is that me or the payload size is written once if LE and once in BE ? |
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| 23:46:00 | TheLemonMan | pamaury: right |
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| 23:54:28 | domonoky | hm, the themesite seems to have some problems.. i updated the release checkwps binarys today and started a checkwps run, that probably locked it up until rasher kicked it. Now some themes are still not checked with 3.8.1 checkwps binarys... should i start a new checkwps run, or is that too risky ? :-) |
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| 23:55:22 | rasher | domonoky: I'd say go ahead |
| 23:56:10 | domonoky | "error: attempt to write to a read-only database" :-) |
| 23:56:42 | domonoky | the themesite is now protected against any modifications :-) (including submitting new themes) |
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