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#rockbox log for 2011-04-10

00:02:41pamauryTheLemonMan: just a side note, my recovery mode uses PIV/VID 066F:3780
00:02:49pamauryinstead of 066F:3700
00:02:59TheLemonManslightly different board
00:03:00 Quit ender (Quit: drug, n: A substance that, injected into a rat, produces a scientific paper.)
00:03:14TheLemonManthe returned value is a standard hid report
00:03:26TheLemonManeverything is thrown in interface 0
00:03:47TheLemonManand data is sent using a class interface request
00:04:10TheLemonManthat i dunno how to replicate
00:04:17pamauryTheLemonMan: you made a slight mistake i think
00:04:24pamauryput32(p, 0x1) is bad
00:04:29pamauryit should be "put24" :)
00:04:47pamauryerr, sorry, made a mistake
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00:06:24pamauryhum, but "p = &msg[0x11];" seems wrong
00:06:24pamauryit should be 0x10
00:07:44TheLemonManpamaury: yeah, i started counting from 1
00:07:55TheLemonManbtw, heres my last log
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00:10:02TheLemonManso control transfers are used only for retrieving the response
00:11:41pamaurywhich responses ?
00:12:23TheLemonManthe hid descriptor response
00:13:32pamauryit's only because of the way urb are handled, there is no "response"; it's just a ack for the device, it has 0 size
00:13:35pamaurywith some modifications I made it work apparently. I need to try to send the whole file
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00:14:21TheLemonManmind telling me how ? :)
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00:17:50TheLemonMantimes out for me still D:
00:20:47TheLemonMandoes usbhid driver get loaded when you plug it ?
00:21:44pamaurydon't think so: generic-usb: probe of 0003:066F:3780.0008 failed with error -22
00:23:46TheLemonMangot it working ;)
00:24:08pamaurywhat was the problem ? usbhid ?
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00:25:43pamauryI'll try to finish the program
00:27:04TheLemonManhaxx++; freescale−−;
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00:27:43jennywhooHi, can someone help me with a sansa fuze problem?
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00:31:40jennywhoowhy is there a blank database "RECENTLY ADDED" folder when i just added new music??
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00:54:45domonokyrasher: the themesite locked-up again... so its definitly some problem with the checkwps run.. can you please kick it again ? :-)
00:55:07rasherWell that sure sucks
00:55:29rasherMy guess is as good as yours
00:58:27rasherI can do the same, but we're not solving any problems here :\
00:59:56rasherdomonoky: I'm simply moving themes.db and themes.db-journal into another dir
01:02:28domonokythat gets it running again at least. we need someone with apache/php knowledge to find out what is really going wrong here.. i dont have a idea
01:07:31pamauryarg, TheLemonMan is not there anymore
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01:12:15pamaury(for the logs) TheLemonMan: I had the tool working, see here: pamaury/pa-tools/blob/master/fuze%2B/recovery_hid/recovery_hid.c">
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09:58:09HinduI had submitted a proposal for a project in Rockbox......Is anybody interested in GSOC over here?
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10:23:08AlexPHindu: We are in the process of evaluating the proposals
10:23:57u42pTheSeven: did it arrive?
10:24:38[Saint]u42p: iiuc, he recieved it.
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10:24:58[Saint]he mentioned recieving "a busted Sansa" in particular.
10:25:06u42pyeah, that's the one
10:25:10[Saint]I believe that would be yours.
10:25:36[Saint]now we wait for #freemysansa ;)
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10:42:59bertrikI've seen forum posts of people getting only about half of the runtime when using certain microSD cards and I'd like to investigate this further a bit.
10:43:31bertrikI've noticed that the min/max current shown in the disk info debug menu is probably invalid, because for some of my sd cards it shows a higher "min" value than the "max" value.
10:44:36bertrikIIRC, the card-specific-data (CSD) from an sd card has subtle variations between sd v1, sd v2 and mmc. We probably don't take those into account.
10:45:04S_a_i_n_tgood catch.
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10:46:07S_a_i_n_tWhen you were looking for an 8GB Fuse the other day, I was tempted to speak up...but I'm still missing an LCD for it, so debug is pretty much non-existent :/
10:46:55bertrikS_a_i_n_t, never mind, I thought I could make a little improvement to the AMSv1 sd driver, but it didn't even work on clip v1 (1 GB)
10:49:30S_a_i_n_tHmmm. I will most likely send the money order for shipping in a few days, then <X_period> for shipping. I feel bad sometimes that a simple thing like a missing LCD stops me from being able to do pretty much any testing.
10:49:41S_a_i_n_tThe player is perfectly functional barring the LCD>
10:50:41S_a_i_n_tI'm *hoping* Fuse V1/2 LCD's will be compatible.
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11:05:02bertrikah, I see what happens, the sd_parse_csd takes the CSD version into account but parses only a subset of sd/mmc parameters. The disk info debug menu does some of the parsing *again* and does *not* take the CSD version into account.
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11:30:37TheLemonManyay! i booted my player trough the usb :D
11:36:22TheLemonMani tried sending the nand bootloader but hangs somewhere
11:36:41TheLemonMani guess because of faulty initialization of some parts of hw
11:37:04bertrikI see there are at least 3 places where a CSD gets parsed, in the ondio MMC driver, in sd.c and in the debug menu ...
11:38:00bertrikI could parse it in a more central location but then I'd have to add more fields to the tCardInfo struct, which would probably increase binsize
11:38:25S_a_i_n_tsanity wins over binsize imo
11:38:49S_a_i_n_tunless you're talking a *drastic* increase.
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12:01:05bertrikthe CSD parsing is all over the place, seems to be duplicated a lot in the various drivers ....
12:01:16pamauryTheLemonMan: ping
12:01:49pamauryI finished the program yesterday
12:01:50TheLemonMani got my tool working, i uploaded the nandloader from the original fw package and it booted
12:02:19pamaurycan you show the code, here is mine: pamaury/pa-tools/tree/master/fuze+/recovery_hid">
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12:04:47TheLemonMansure, let me set up a git repo
12:05:12pamauryyou can pastebin it also :)
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12:07:59pamauryhum, interesting that you reset the device
12:08:41pamauryin my case, it's sufficient to handle the interrupt int sent by the device (probably a kind of status)
12:09:07pamaurythe tool I have also pads the last transfer with 0xff, I don't know if it's needed
12:09:44TheLemonMandon't think it's needed
12:11:27pamaurywell, I least we come up with the same protocol, except for this last reset
12:12:34bertrikAFAIK, the erased state of NAND is all 0xFF, so (in theory) you could re-write memory containing 0xFF without erasing again
12:12:49TheLemonManhaving all other commands documented would be cool
12:13:58pamauryunfortunately, we don't have any documentation and the tool only does that
12:14:18kugelbertrik: I thought csd parsing has been unified?
12:15:30TheLemonManthere are some commands for flashing to NAND and passing arguments to the bootloader if i havent misread the doc
12:16:49pamaurythe tool works in two steps: first upload a file to RAM and then use this second stage loader to send other command; the protocol is UTP, the code is provided by freescale
12:17:21TheLemonMananyway, the reset command is useless, can you try on your player without the intr read ?
12:17:28pamaurydoesn't work
12:17:31bertrikkugel, yes, it is mostly indeed, I was looking at some old diffs. Parsing CSD is now done mostly in sd.c and in ata_mmc.c and some bits in debug_menu.c
12:17:52TheLemonMancan you bake a framebuffer filler ?
12:18:32pamauryI don't know how to initialize the display on the fuze+ yet; I have reverse engineered the code but it's really complicated
12:18:48pamauryI think I'll first got for a usb driver so I can do some debug
12:19:38TheLemonMani started reversing my player fw but found tons of undocumented reads/writes
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12:22:47pamaurythat's unfortunate, perhaps the imx233 doesn't exactly match your SoC
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12:23:22pamaurythe PID/VID suggest it's the stmp3700 while the doc is for stmp3780; perhaps there is a difference
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12:33:26*bluebroth3r found the problem with convttf
12:33:49bluebroth3rI really thought I did check for opening in binary mode
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12:51:08TheLemonManshit, the bootloader is using a console over the debug uart
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12:52:31pamauryis that a problem ?
12:53:24TheLemonMani cant use the debug output
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12:59:39pamaurywhy not ? when the bootloader is over, you a free to use the debug output
12:59:52pamauryif you know where the debug uart wires end
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13:09:29TheLemonMandunno how to hook the uart
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13:15:16bertrikpossibly on the dock connector (if it has one)
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13:19:32bertrikhm, all of my sansa device (c200, e200, clip, clip+) all report a range of 100..80 mA for max read/write currents.
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13:26:03CIA-87New commit by bluebrother (r29699): Fix Win32 native convttf creating invalid output files. ...
13:30:20CIA-87r29699 build result: All green
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13:56:05bluebroth3rhmm, convttf crashes on DejaVuSans.ttf
13:56:48bluebroth3rthe one build with MSVC doesn't.
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14:01:40bluebroth3rat least there is a way to create a binary for distribution that doesn't depend on cygwin1.dll
14:14:57JdGordon1[Saint]: did you ever test that sbs kick-the-ui-viewport-in-the-balls patch?
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14:20:19JdGordon1anyone know where AA images are actually loaded?
14:20:22JdGordon1I cant find the code
14:20:32JdGordon1or specifically... how do I load and resize a jpeg?
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14:22:51kugelJdGordon1: load_image() or so in buffering.c
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14:23:34JdGordon1eeek.... ta
14:25:02JdGordon1ah, this shouldnt be too hard
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14:42:50JdGordon1how much of the struct bitmap needs to be filled in to load a jpeg? just the .dat and width/height?
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14:47:57JdGordon1how much buffer space is needed for a jpeg? apparently more than the same size bmp?!
14:52:52JdGordon1erm... struct jpeg isnt in a .h and is pretty big.... how much extra ram do i add for jpeg loading?
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15:06:26pixelmawhat for?
15:08:21*[Saint] smells jpg skin support cooking.
15:08:34[Saint]though, I kinda hope I'm wrong.
15:08:43*Llorean wonders why you'd even want jpeg skin support.
15:08:59LloreanAre there actual benefits?
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15:09:40[Saint]Not that I could immedaitely think of, but I'll reserve judgement until I know I'm correct or not ;)
15:10:11JdGordon1jpeg backdrops
15:10:16JdGordon1+ resizigin
15:10:35BuscheljhMikeS: Did r29697 solve your issue with resume after playlist re-shuffle?
15:10:41n17ikhdoes input on targets with scroll wheels - ipods, etc - work like in the OF? e.g. spin a finger around on the wheel to scroll through menus
15:10:42[Saint]Oh...hey...that's something.
15:10:57pixelmabut what?
15:11:08[Saint]but, it? where does the resizing part come in?
15:11:43JdGordon1load a 480x800 jpeg onto a 320x240 target
15:11:50JdGordon1if im wasting my time i'll stop
15:11:58[Saint]why would one do that?
15:12:09[Saint]I'm not saying "it's a waste of time".
15:12:13[Saint]just fleshing it out.
15:13:02Buscheln17ikh: yes
15:13:31n17ikhBuschel: I was wondering this, because on my H10, the scroll pad is used more like a "button"
15:13:34n17ikhor two buttons
15:14:03n17ikhbut after digging though some code I see that the pad does report an absolute finger position
15:14:43Buscheln17ikh: I do not own a h10, but two iPods. the iPods scrollwheel used to navigate like you described
15:14:57Buschel*is used
15:16:23n17ikhwell, the recent acceleration patch (by you?) makes it a bit better, but it'd be greatly improved to have OF-like behavior (actually use the scrollpad as a scrollpad)
15:17:29n17ikhit's probably not worth the coding time to fix though to be honest, I can't imagine that many people use the H10 these days
15:17:59[Saint]jpg support would be nice, maybe, if there is a clear advantage to using it over bitmap (is there? I'm not sure I know of one), but the resizing aspect pretty much falls into the hole of "we can resize with a lot better quality off device, so why not just do that?"
15:18:24[Saint]see pictureflow, and the lovely mess that makes out of nice AA
15:18:46[Saint]it looks *acceptable*...good? nope.
15:18:55JdGordon1I'm only talking about backdrops now
15:19:09[Saint]which is why the resizing confuses me.
15:19:49JdGordon1and its not working and im going to bed pretty soon which means it wont be done in the next 3 weks by me
15:19:53JdGordon1never mind
15:20:11pixelmaI could even get the resize part as "stop gap solution if you don't have access to a PC at the time" but I'd think a plugin would be a nicer solution for this (it's a one time thing and this way you don't waste binsize for such an edge case)
15:20:46[Saint]not forcing bitmap for backdrops may be worthwhile.
15:21:19JdGordon1well all the jpeg code is there already anyway, we are talking about a 3 line patch
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15:21:20[Saint]it's probably the most likely thing a user will change other than a font if they aren't that familiar with the theme engine
15:22:19gevaertsI'd expect the binsize impact to be *very* small
15:22:24[Saint]so, I see the point in adding support for jpg backdrops. just not so much resizing on demand, because I don't think the current code could make a truly acceptable job of it.
15:22:49[Saint]depending on the detail involved I guess.
15:22:52gevaerts[Saint]: AIUC resizing is basically free
15:22:55[Saint](in the image itself)
15:23:36gevaertsJdGordon1: thanks for reminding me of the other patch :)
15:24:30JdGordon1its needed for jpeg loading :)
15:24:37JdGordon1I'd commit it now but my tree is dirty
15:24:52JdGordon1and yes, resizing and jpeg is free so there is no real reason to not do it
15:25:01Buscheln17ikh: the h10 button driver would need some to implement such behaviour. but as you already mentioned, there does not seem much interest to do so...
15:25:25[Saint]If it really is "free" or very minimal cost, then...that vastly changes my opinion on the subject.
15:25:29n17ikhyeah, I don't use my H10 anymore
15:25:52n17ikhmaybe I should look around on ebay for ZIF HDDs
15:25:52JdGordon1the downside is we would only support it on targets which already support JPEG
15:25:57CIA-87New commit by gevaerts (r29700): Support loading backdrops from anywhere in the filesystem. Fixes FS #12041
15:26:00JdGordon1I'm not sure if that is all targets
15:26:24gevaertsPossibly only non-mono?
15:28:25n1swe don't have backdrops on mno at all, do we?
15:28:45JdGordon1backdrops are only supported on 32bit
15:28:49JdGordon1err, 16bit
15:28:54pixelmaindeed, that would be next to impossible
15:28:59n1sanyway, resize and jpeg could be nice if you wanted to use a regular photo or something
15:29:03pixelmaJdGordon1: greyscale has backdrops too
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15:30:07JdGordon1ah so it does, my bad
15:31:08CIA-87r29700 build result: All green
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15:31:24gevaertsYay, a bugfix with a green delta :)
15:32:47smkgreen delta?
15:33:50[Saint]it's the bugfix special forces. they shoot bad code.
15:34:12n1sgevaerts: does it bring back the old behaviour or is any random path saved now?
15:34:20gevaertsn1s: any path is saved
15:35:02gevaertsThe old behaviour was (a) not trivial to get back, and (b) as far as I could work out only there for technical reasons that stopped applying *years* ago
15:35:21gevaertssmk: RAM usage reduction as measured by
15:35:24n1syeah, it was weird
15:36:18n1sLANG_BACKDROP_LOADED and LANG_BACKDROP_FAILED should be deprecated btw
15:36:40[Saint]How hard would it be to knock up a "start database here" context menu, and a similar "start database at /" menu entry like the filebrowser has?
15:36:51JdGordon1I'm a bit surprised we dont have a general load_image_file/fd() which merges the bmp and jpeg load functions to make the loading simpler
15:37:18JdGordon1[Saint]: >0 effort.... usual problem of the db isnt resumable
15:37:24JdGordon1so it would be fiddly
15:37:38[Saint]RaaA could really use it.
15:37:59gevaerts[Saint]: you mean setting a search root?
15:38:24[Saint]I thought it might have just been a case of copying how the filebrowser was doing it, so...bugger :/
15:38:31[Saint]gevaerts: Yes.
15:38:59gevaertsShouldn't be too hard I guess
15:39:02[Saint]the exact way the filebrowser does it would be ideal.
15:39:14n1sgevaerts: ^
15:39:44[Saint]there's a contextmenu option for "start filebrowser here", and a menu setting to resit it to root
15:40:03gevaertsn1s: can you give some hints on how to do that?
15:40:35*gevaerts has managed to avoid touching language stuff so far...
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15:48:23n1sgevaerts: should be able to do it
15:49:45kugelJdGordon1: the pluginlib has such a wrapper function (read_image_*)
15:49:56[Saint]latest post on the forums is a weird one...
15:50:14kugeln1s: why deprecated? surely backdrop loading can still fail?
15:50:20n1sgevaerts: ../../tools/ −−deprecate −−id LANG_BACKDROP_LOADED,LANG_BACKDROP_FAILED −−inplace *.lang
15:50:37n1skugel: he removed the splashes so the strings are not used anymore
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15:51:03kugelthen a return value isn't checked where it should be
15:51:15kugeli guess
15:52:13gevaertsskin_backdrop_load_setting() is void
15:52:25gevaertsSo it can't check much
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15:54:10CIA-87New commit by gevaerts (r29701): Deprecate strings that are unused since r29700
15:54:55gevaertshm, actually, r29700 didn't take them out
15:55:03gevaertsr28073 did
15:55:09gevaertsSo it's all JdGordon1's fault :)
15:55:51kugelgevaerts: I think the checks should've been added instead of deprecating now
15:56:31gevaertsFeel free to add them
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15:56:56kugelis undeprecating possible?
15:57:05gevaertssure, just revert
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16:28:19bertrikjhMikeS, after your playback cleanup of r29387 it is no longer needed to have symbol othertrack_id global, it can now be made local (static) and save a few bytes :)
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16:29:57TheLemonManpamaury: what if some of the fields we considered pad are the actual ram destination ?
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16:39:18smkcan a newbie like me start working on bugs right away?. I mean, i was browsing through the bug tracker, but couldn't find a "easy" bug :P
16:40:18[Saint]There's nothing to stop you working on anything...
16:40:40kugelsmk: the easy bugs get fixed quickly :)
16:40:56kugelbut if you're lucky you should find something
16:41:45smkyeah i saw some tasks get closed soon. will continue searching
16:44:24bertriksmk, you can also help if you have a player that is relatively uncommon and look at a player-specific problem
16:44:58bertrikor try to reproduce a player-specific problem and, if it's no longer reproducible, help us close those tasks
16:45:56pamauryTheLemonMan: I don't understand
16:46:09pamaurythe actual ram destination is hold within the sb file you send
16:47:01pamaurya sb file is basically a set of "load <data> at <addr>"
16:50:21smki don't have a player. hmm i vl get a general grasp of the code base first.
16:54:40smkanyway, thanks. i vl carry on and get back. vl be off now
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18:46:07n1ssmk: depends on what you do but it's ok for most app layer code
18:47:17n1stricky timing things and low level code is not emulated
18:47:35n1sor the timing doesn't try to act like a player
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21:43:24n1si saw that error when trying to find some encoding problems a few days ago
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