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#rockbox log for 2011-04-11

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00:52:21kev2011i'm currently writing a lua script for rb and i wanna know how to use floating point numbers
00:54:11wtachikev2011: do they work the way they would in a normal lua script?
00:55:17kev2011well i dont know how to use it
00:55:26kev2011its always integers
00:55:47wtachikev2011: try figuring it out on a computer first
00:56:04wtachilook through the Lua documentation
00:56:12kev2011it work on a computer
00:56:17kev2011not on rb
00:56:25kev2011in my case ipod nano 2g
00:56:29wtachikev2011: in that case, I don't think floating point numbers work in RB
00:56:53wtachimost embedded processors don't support floating-point, and it isn't worth the trouble of emulating
00:57:11kev2011there's a calculator plugin that work for division
00:57:17kev2011so it must have a way
00:57:34wtachiit does, but you can't use it from Lua
00:57:37wtachiwhat are you trying to do?
00:58:04wtachiI mean, what kind of program are you trying to write?
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00:58:43kev2011hum it a mental calculation practice program
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00:59:25martiihey :)
00:59:39martiiI have a slight problem
00:59:45martiiI'm getting such error
00:59:59kev2011is there a way wtachi ?
01:00:07martiiData abort at 0004cc48 (0)
01:00:13martiiis this known issue?
01:00:28martiithis is happening after I have put plenty of files onto my ipod 4th gen
01:00:43wtachikev2011: you can use fixed point−−basically you store 6333 and display it as 6.333
01:00:43martiiand I can see for a second that library is beeing updated
01:00:47martiithen I get this error
01:00:48Leifkev2011, Have you ever considered doing fixed point devision?
01:00:51wtachikev2011: you can find a tutorial online
01:01:08kev2011i didnt know about that i never programmed for embebed devices before :)
01:01:19kev2011i will check this thank you!
01:03:35martiiany idea? what's wrong? :)
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01:49:06PerfMI'm new here!
01:50:48JdGordon|we have rules here... stick to them or go away
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01:52:34email1459r u still love me?
01:53:11PerfMJdGordon: what or the rules?
01:53:30JdGordon|read the topic
01:53:42email1459where is it?
01:54:00email1459copy paste please
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01:56:11Mode"#rockbox +o JdGordon|" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
01:59:10kev2011hi perfm
01:59:17[Saint]cut/paste the topic? ha!
02:00:15PerfMkev2011: hi!
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02:05:27PerfM[Saint]: your name rhythms with paint
02:05:48[Saint]PerfM: Your time with us will be short lived if you fail to stay on topic.
02:06:02[Saint]if you want to chat to random people, don't do it in a development channel.
02:06:07[Saint]Please read the topic.
02:06:18PerfMLife is short boyo. I was born with out eyes
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02:11:37PerfM[Saint]: you've got the love
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02:13:08[Saint]Please do yourself a favour (and us) and type "/tpoic #rockbox" and read it.
02:13:14[Saint]*tpoic too
02:13:27[Saint]that was fun.
02:15:50PerfMyou're fun ;)
02:16:16PerfMI was born with out eyes, means I dont have the ability to read.
02:16:34Mode"#rockbox +q PerfM!*@*" by JdGordon| (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon)
02:16:52JdGordon|learn to follow the rules, you'll be unmuted in 10min
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02:30:07kev2011what your blind ?:O
02:30:25kev2011oh yeah rules ..
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03:46:16[Saint]sideral: (logs) what is the state of GS#11883?
03:47:55[Saint]It's apparently with the attached debug patch that there is indeed files left open during shutdown, and USB plug, I wonder however why it only seems to affect hy HDD based targets.
03:48:32[Saint]well, by affect I mean "affect detrimentally". I assume it affects my flash based players also.
03:49:16[Saint]But with the HDD players I have, I can repair the FS, boot RB, shut down, mount the player again and the FS is toast.
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08:22:08JdGordon|[Saint]: I know you're online..... did you test that 2 line patch yet?
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08:23:12[Saint]Shit, no I haven't actually.
08:23:43JdGordon|ok, just asking if oyu had or not.. dont particularly care either way :p
08:23:47[Saint]I got stuck trying to figure out why KEYTOOL is failing in my RaaA development setup and kinda forgot about it.
08:23:50JdGordon|but if it works I'd commit
08:24:04JdGordon|KEYTOOL keeps annoying me about being deprecated
08:24:37[Saint]yes, it's fails to generate a key fullstop on my system.
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08:25:11[Saint]I'll have another stab at setting up an environment with Natty this evening.
08:25:36[Saint]I might go the Eclipse route and see if it makes a difference.
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11:09:01HinduHello dere , what are the updates regarding about our GSOC proposals ?
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11:18:15n1sHindu: what do you mean?
11:18:50HinduI mean , I applied for a Rockbox project in GSOC....
11:19:23HinduBut I don't see any activity in Rockbox mailing list / IRC regarding GSOC...
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11:20:06HinduI mean I am a new developer & I want to work for Rockbox but noone seems interested here
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11:21:57n1si'm not entirely sure of all the details but now we have to read and think about the project proposals and then discuss them and i suppose we have to vote or something to choose which ones we take
11:23:29n1si am personally sort of busy atm so i haven't read the proposals yet
11:23:41LinusNas far as i know, it is too late for students to apply, the deadline was april 8
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11:24:43n1sLinusN: i think he means that there has been no reactions to the proposals or public discussion
11:26:03LinusNwell, we are currently reviewing the proposals, and all students get instant feedback from the reviews
11:27:27LinusNHindu: which application is yours?
11:28:35n1sthe mp3 optimization one
11:28:47HinduI have applied for the MP3 codec optimization project....
11:29:05HinduI didn't get any comment till now
11:29:12LinusNi see
11:30:11HinduIf you guys see the proposal , then we have provisions to make some amendments in our proposal
11:30:57HinduWhatever , it will benefit both the applicants and Rockbox...
11:35:27LinusNall i can say is that we are reviewing the proposals, and yours will be reviewed too
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11:36:43HinduOK :)
11:37:51n1sLinusN: you should probably join the #rockbox-gsoc channel
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11:38:05LinusNn1s: yes, probably :-)
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12:02:45AlexPI already told him that yesterday :)
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12:29:15kugel[Saint]: try mkdir $HOME/.android before make
12:29:20kugelthat should fix KEYTOOL
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13:02:07[Saint]Thanks, I'll try that shortly.
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14:22:58kugel[Saint]: you didn't try it yet, did you=?
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15:52:59[Saint]I would say "Oh, the battery is toast"...but it charges in Rb when connected but not enumerated, and on the Apple FW>
15:55:20[Saint]Hmmm...yes, while connected and enumerated using ROckbox USB it claims to be charging, but the battery meter in the .sbs is obviously depleting, and the disk is spinning constantly.
15:56:01[Saint]if I connect whilst holding menu, or viewing the battery screen in debug, it charges fine.
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17:42:36deeice_Hi all. I updated my zipit RAAA build and this time let it install in /usr/local instead of /.rockbox. Is there documentation on installing themes with these paths?
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17:52:37deeice_I've been recommending ipod video themes for the zipit because they're 320x240, but those themes have the /.rockbox path hardcoded.
17:52:57deeice_Is there a plan to encode the paths different in the themes for RAAA?
17:55:43deeice_I suppose I could softlink /.rockbox to /usr/local/share/rockbox temporarily for easy theme installation.
17:57:57deeice_But I don't think that works if your SD card with rockbox is mounted on a Windows PC.
17:58:00nils_aren't themes zipped up with relative paths? you should just need to put them wherever your .rockbox dir is
17:58:43deeice_The problem is the dot in the .rockbox doesn't exist in the /usr/local/share/rockbox path
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17:59:31n1swhy don't you add one then?
18:00:06deeice_you mean like /usr/local/share/.rockbox?
18:00:49n1seither that or you need some way to fix the zip files
18:01:21deeice_Yeah, so what are the android folks doing? Fixing the zip files, or some other trickery?
18:03:05gevaertsn1s: those are never there for apps
18:03:19gevaertsYou're not supposed to put user-installed themes there
18:03:25n1sdunno, but the android app doesn't use existing themes
18:03:37n1sgevaerts: what?
18:03:41deeice_Why no user themes for apps?
18:03:56gevaertsAs far as I understand, they should go to the .rockbox dir that exists in your home directory or something similar
18:04:29n1sas i understood it he renamed the .rockbox dir to "rockbox" (and moved it)
18:04:44gevaertsIt's not that simple
18:05:00n1sgevaerts: you mean that rockbox is for codecs etc and .rockbox for theme stuff?
18:05:11deeice_The home dir has config/ That doesn't match the theme files either.
18:05:38n1sthis app stuff is a mess imo
18:05:39deeice_I didn't move anything. I compiled with the default paths for an app.
18:06:10deeice_Previously i hacked the paths to use the /.rockbox dir like the good ole days.
18:06:28*gevaerts is sure that kugel can help...
18:06:58deeice_I think I'll go back to the /.rockbox path. How do the themes get installed on the pandora app?
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21:11:45CIA-87New commit by bertrik (r29703): Do not show IRMax/IWMax in the disk info debug screen for sd cards with CSD version > 1.0
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21:30:41bertrikbah, getting data aborts when skipping in ogg albums
21:35:04pamauryI have a reply about imx233 bootloader commands, surprise...
21:36:03pamauryarg, not available since it's under NDA :(
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21:48:51smkhey. doubts of a newbie. rockbox has it's own kernel. so when it is installed on a DAP, does it run over the existing kernel on the device?
21:49:19pamauryit fully replaces the software
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21:50:36smkthere is an android port of rockbox. how does it work in that case?
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21:51:15smki mean does it run at the application level?
21:51:19emolonzi need voice activated recorder on sansa fuse with rockbox
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21:51:26gevaertssmk: it does, yes
21:51:26emolonzit is possible ?
21:52:25smkokay. so the android port uses the services of the android kernel.
21:53:16evilnick_Bemolonz: Have you checked the manual?
21:54:50saratogafor application builds you're basically just running the app part of rockbox, most of the operating systme parts aren't compiled
21:55:03saratogaor at least they're reduced to wrappers around host functions
21:56:51evilnick_Bemolonz: Have you read this part of the manual?:
21:58:02emolonzthank you :(
21:58:05bertrikhm, doing a make clean and rebuilding fixed my ogg skipping problem, odd...
21:58:26evilnick_Bemolonz: No problem, I couldn't remember if that was in there or not
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21:59:41*bertrik spots a spelling error in the user manual
22:01:24*evilnick_B too
22:01:24bertrikseperate should be separate I think
22:01:24kisakbertrik: random question, what is IRMax/IWMax?
22:01:24gevaertsbertrik: indeed
22:01:24evilnick_Bbertrik: s/concidered/considered/ too
22:02:28bertrikthe max read and max write current for an sd card
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22:06:43bertrikI can fix those errors, but I'm not sure I can build the manual to verify
22:08:39bertrikis this correct english: that chord the guitarist strokes
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22:09:06AlexPcould be, but strokes is rather idiosyncratic
22:09:13evilnick_Bbertrik: Plays would be more usual
22:09:15AlexPI'd just use plays normally
22:10:38evilnick_BMaybe the nearest word is "strums" but "plays" is probably correct in that context
22:11:41evilnick_BAlexP: Incidentally, who's (mostly) maintaining the manual these days?
22:12:05AlexPevilnick_B: Whoever :) I do bits when I can, as does pixelma
22:12:23AlexPPlus a few others from time to time :)
22:12:27smkwhere do i post build errors?
22:12:40evilnick_Bsmk: pastebin/pastie
22:12:41smkif i am not able to solve it :P
22:15:50AlexPevilnick_B: Feel free to join in :)
22:16:35evilnick_BAlexP: I really, really want to. But rather than look at individual sections, I'd like to kinda homogenise the whole thing
22:16:49evilnick_Bi.e. Try and bring a lot more consistency to the writing in it
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22:17:00AlexPevilnick_B: Sure, that'd be useful too
22:17:16AlexPAnything would be good :)
22:22:14smkevilnick_B: sorry. didn't get that :(
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22:25:30evilnick_Bsmk: If these are build issues, then it's likely to be with your personal setup, so rather than pasting multiple lines in here, use or pastebin to post the log
22:25:41evilnick_B(If that's what you meant)
22:28:48smki am building for the simulator (1g,2g). configuration went fine. compiling gave this
22:30:24bertrikyou need svnversion
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22:33:53funmananything new about AMSv2 USB?
22:34:55bertrikAlexP, evilnick_B, can you confirm these fixes?
22:35:49evilnick_Bbertrik: They all look good to me
22:36:07funmanit looks like we could just enable USB in the current builds and wait for problem reports
22:37:05AlexPbertrik: looks good
22:37:16bertriksome people at abi are already distributing builds with USB enabled, but I think I already saw some problem reports from there too
22:37:21evilnick_Bbertrik: Although you should add in the change from strikes to plays too
22:38:58bertrikfunman, it would be nice to have AMSv2 USB in 3.9 :)
22:39:21funmanlet's be trustful and target 3.8.2 ;)
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22:41:25emolonzhow can i change file extention (*.wav to *.wav1) in audio record mode
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22:41:50evilnick_Bemolonz: After recording it? Or while recording it?
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22:42:28AlexPemolonz: You can't make Rockbox do it
22:42:39AlexPnot automatically anyway
22:42:49AlexPYou can rename it from the filebrowser
22:43:47emolonzbefore recording, with some configurations?
22:44:52evilnick_BNot unless you change the source to provide another option that uses the same procedure as for .wav only names the files .wav1
22:45:28Alchymistahow do I install the compiler arm on linux?
22:45:44AlexPAlchymista: run in the tools directory of the source
22:45:50AlexPIt'll set everything up for you
22:45:51bluebrotherhmm, convttf output showing different results depending on the convttf binary is strange
22:46:35bluebrotheremolonz: why would you want to use a different file extension?
22:47:33emolonzi will use with eye-fi wifi sd card, but this card only jpeg or avi extention support
22:48:02bluebrotherah, so you want to save the file with like .avi extension for the card?
22:48:13smkbertrik: getting svnversion didn't solve the error. i guess it was just a warning . the error still remains:
22:49:36bluebrothersvnversion not found is not a problem. But if you installed it and the warning still occurs then something is wrong with your setup
22:50:45smkno, the warning has gone. there is an "undefined reference to" error
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22:51:44bluebrotheryou're compiling on linux?
22:52:59emolonzwhich source file for recording file extention
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22:54:32bluebrotherhow does iaudio_bl_flash.c look like? Does it contain a big array?
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22:55:07bluebrotherlooks like iaudio_bl_flash.c wasn't generated correctly. The error indicates that the file is empty
22:55:26bluebrotherand then the linker can't find the symbol it defines
22:55:39smkyes the file is empty
22:55:54bluebrothertry deleting it, then run make again
22:58:21CIA-87New commit by bertrik (r29704): Fix various minor spelling issues in the manual.
23:00:38smki included the .h file which had an extern reference to that array. that didn't work. deleting the file now gives this:
23:01:55smkoh. bmp2rb is 64-bit executable. mine system is 32-bit. that caused the problem
23:02:18bluebrotherwhy on earth is bmp2rb a 64bit executable? It's build during the build process
23:02:38CIA-87r29704 build result: All green
23:03:28smkdoing a 'file' on bmp2rb showed it as ELF 64-bit LSB executable
23:03:48gevaertsDid you copy the source from somewhere else?
23:03:57bluebrotherok, but _why_ is it a 64bit executable?
23:04:16bluebrotheror, how did you get the Rockbox sources?
23:04:24smki did the code checkout by svn as suggested
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23:05:28funmanbertrik: indeed shows USB problems with 3.8.1 on XP
23:06:48*bluebrother doesn't understand why people aren't discussion problems with Rockbox in the Rockbox forums
23:06:49smkused svn as here: svn co svn:// rockbox
23:08:14funmanbluebrother: in fact the discussion happens in the rockbox section
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23:08:34smkearlier i had cross compiled for ARM and it was smooth.
23:08:44smkthe simulator build gave that
23:09:06bluebrotherno, that's scamble. It's build as part of the tools for Rockbox
23:09:40bluebrotherso any build should result in that error if bmp2rb is broken.
23:10:06bluebrotherwhat did you do after building for ARM (and what target is ARM)?
23:11:11smkno i just built the final zip file for the heck of it. don't have a DAP to install it on. ipod 1g,2g (ARM v7 i guess) .
23:12:26saratogaarm7 (which is armv4)
23:12:44smkyeah. my bad.
23:13:59smki think i should get the source archive again. some error might have occurred there, if there was an error.
23:15:06bluebrotherhmm, there's a firmware 1.3 for the beast around.
23:16:15bluebrotherif that also rejects the single boot bootloader?
23:17:38funmansmk: just run svn up;svn revert . -R
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23:18:51bluebrotherand don't forget a make clean!
23:20:15gevaertsActually, I'd recommend make veryclean here
23:21:13*bluebrother considers "upgrading" his beast
23:21:53smkis there actually a target named "veryclean"?
23:22:21AlexPa make target, yes
23:22:26saratogayes, it deletes the build tools
23:22:28AlexPThat's why gevaerts said it :)
23:23:51smkk. never heard of a 'veryclean' target before. hence the surprise
23:24:11gevaertsWe could have a "ponies
23:24:17gevaerts" target if we wanted...
23:24:23AlexPYou call them whatever you want
23:24:24bluebrotherveryclean isn't an uncommon target
23:24:27smktrue that
23:24:36bluebrothergevaerts: smurf? ;-)
23:24:49bertrikThe manual for the clip and the clip+ has a sentence that appears to run off the right part of the page (end of paragraph 2.2.2), it's a web link
23:25:35bluebrothersounds like the usual problem with breaking URLs
23:26:48bluebrotheryep, looks exactly like that
23:27:08bertrikbluebrother, is there a solution for that?
23:27:35bluebrotherpossibly, but none I'm aware of. Never dealt too much with URLs in LaTeX myself ...
23:28:06bluebrotherthe url package is supposed to do that. IIRC we already use that package
23:28:30 Quit evilnick_B (Quit: Page closed) or might be a hack-ish workaround
23:30:01AlexPForcing a line break before the url is a less bad hack
23:30:09funmanor a redirect on
23:30:14gevaertsURL shorteners are just evil
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23:34:24bluebrotherhave to build a manual to check that
23:34:24bluebrotherwe could have our own url shortener! ;-)
23:35:04smkyes. new archive being built. no errors so far :) ;)
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23:36:31bluebrotherrockb.ox :)
23:37:08dfktnot sure bovine TLDs exist
23:37:33kisakthe oxford TLD
23:37:45G4OblivionRockbox utility requires a OF .bin file for installation on Sansa Clip+, but I don't see any mention of this under "Automatic Installation" in the manual.
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23:38:42G4OblivionJust thought I'd pop in and let someone know. Gotta go.
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23:44:12smkbuilt the simulator. nice.
23:44:18smkthank you.
23:47:29bluebrotherbertrik: enabling the hyphens option for the url package makes this better. It's not a good solution since it will then also hypenate at hypens which could be potentially confusing.
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23:47:42bluebrotherbut given the fact that the links are clickable I think this is acceptable
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