#rockbox 2011-04-15

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00:00:56	bluebroth3r	but that could be triggered by a post commit hook, couldn't it? Or is there a reason to keep the manual update thingy?
00:01:07	AlexP	no idea
00:01:17	TheSeven	security perhaps?
00:01:59	gbl08ma_	And isn't a rst file in SVN a manual update?
00:02:16	gevaerts	Automatic updating from a specific rst directory could work, automatic updating of the entire website is dangerous
00:02:34	bluebroth3r	well, I wouldn't want to update everything of course :)
00:02:38	bluebroth3r	just some content files
00:02:48	gevaerts	bluebroth3r: well no, your scheme would work :)
00:03:16	*	bluebroth3r did something like that in the past (though not with rst files, and by parsing it with php)
00:03:47	pixelma	bluebroth3r: yes, I do experience the audio stopping on my phone. It seems to happen mostly after manual track skips, aditionally I hear short "drop outs" while just playing back for a while
00:04:42	bluebroth3r	pixelma: I usually have that after unlocking the screen. I've increased the size of the buffer in RockboxPCM.java and don't seem to be able to reproduce the issue anymore.
00:04:55	bluebroth3r	private static final int buf_len = ...
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00:05:17	bluebroth3r	I've basically made it 4*getMinBufferSize()
00:05:24	bluebroth3r	maybe it's worth a try?
00:06:01	pixelma	I'm currently using my phone the first time to listen a bit longer than just quick test. The dropouts seem to occur on higher CPU activity (from other apps etc.)
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00:07:01	*	bluebroth3r will now go back to an unmodified Rockbox and see if he can reproduce it when causing higher CPU load
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00:08:36	bluebroth3r	I came to the impression that the dropout is caused by the buffer running empty. In my case the minimum buffer is around 12k, and with a buffer of 24k there isn't that much room (especially since the documentation says that the minimum buffer does not guarantee smooth playback)
00:08:41	pixelma	ok, I think I'll try tomorrow in the evening at home - I'm currently abroad and even if I could get an apk (and even build it), getting the apk from an EDGE connection won't be nice...
00:09:03	bluebroth3r	indeed.
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00:11:21	pixelma	I also wonder about the hiss that's most noticeable on each track start. My first thought was that it is some hardware thing but it's gone for a short moment during the actual track change
00:11:27	bluebroth3r	still plays fine :)
00:12:21	pixelma	I wonder how buffering works on RaaAA
00:12:55	*	pixelma is in wondering mood it seems
00:13:38	bluebroth3r	no idea, but the data is passed to this AudioTrack instance AFAIU, and that gets a callback when new data is needed (or a configured position in the stream is reached)
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00:15:15	pixelma	constantly, or is something buffered in advance - or is this the OS's thing?
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00:16:06	bluebroth3r	AFAIU there is a playback buffer you need to fill. Then you get notified when new data is needed.
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00:27:46	gbl08ma_	Yesterday I discovered that my contacts plugin in LUA (FS #11989) is able to do magic with Rockbox's menu API, when there are too many contacts. From empty spaces in the menu (no item at all!) to items with strange characters that shouldn't exist, my plugin is able to bug the menus in lots of ways, it seems...
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00:30:52	gbl08ma_	The empty space in the menu is particularly interesting, if I could make use of it intentionally. I'd like to have a separator in some menus - nothing better than a empty space!
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00:35:16	sideral	AlexP: I've just had the DB add my first file dynamically :)
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00:46:40	gbl08ma	How can I attach a file on the wiki? I'm trying to add a new iconset.
00:47:26	*	gbl08ma thinks that's why stuff.rockbox.org should exist - but that's a subject for another discussion.
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01:12:52	smk	saratoga: had some questions. if you are free, can i ask them now?
01:12:58	saratoga	sure
01:14:40	smk	can i get an idea of what libfaad exactly is and how does it fit in the big picture? i started working on making libfaad malloc-free. i used cscope to do the analyses and found that no external function actually calls any of libfaad's services
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01:16:30	smk	the libfaad headers are included in aac.c. but then aac is not calling the library.
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01:19:33	smk	and also, i am coming to grips with the code architecture just. i ran the uisimulator and ran gdb in the background, so i could track which function does what while i am using the ui.
01:20:19	saratoga	libfaad is a decoder library used by aac.c to decoder AAC audio
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01:22:12	smk	yeah right. hmm. i didn't find any explicit calls made to faad though. i might be wrong. i will look into that again.
01:23:57	saratoga	smk: you're looking at aac.c right?
01:24:10	smk	yeah
01:24:14	saratoga	check the line "Decode one block - returned samples will be host-endian"
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01:27:10	saratoga	thats the main decode block for libfaad
01:27:31	smk	ok. i was looking for an interaction of faad with the rest of the code. that's the call. i will follow that.
01:27:59	smk	so the plan was to find how much mem is allocated, worst case. and then alloc that much statically
01:28:14	ml2	hi - im in trouble here :) have a sansa clip v2 and tried to install rb. but after the installation (manual and with the utility) it boots to the OF and not rb - any ideas what im missing/doing wrong?
01:28:28	saratoga	did you install the bootloader?
01:28:58	ml2	yes - automated full, only bootloader and manually with mk*.exe
01:29:35	ml2	no success :( - the firmware is v02.01.35 ...
01:29:59	saratoga	what do you mean no success?
01:30:07	saratoga	did it take the patched firmware?
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01:31:15	ml2	after unmounting and unplugging the device, it is updating the firmware - when i start it up again, it asks me for the language and region ... (old firmware again ...)
01:31:51	ml2	so i guess it is the bootloader - but how to verify that :D
01:33:40	smk	saratoga: all the dynamic alloc happens by calling faad_malloc. so i started by finding all functions that call faad_malloc and trace them back. the size allocated depends on some variables. so i started by assuming the worst case to be when these variables attain their maximum.
01:33:58	saratoga	smk: theres really no point in doing that
01:34:30	saratoga	if your changes just increase the amount of memory required to decode files then we're better off just leaving the malloc calls in there
01:34:52	saratoga	you should look at each call, determine how much memory is actually needed, and then statically allocate it
01:35:31	smk	right.
01:38:08	smk	i am using the simulator for debugging purposes. and i am also printing some debug info where necessary by calling DEBUGF. is there a way where i can force a call to the malloc , using the simulator?. just an idea.
01:38:30	saratoga	i don't understand the question?
01:39:08	smk	like reproducing a bug on a device and printing the debug info. but on the simulator.
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01:41:50	smk	i figured if i could print the variable values as debug info while the simulator is running, then i can get info on parameters and stuff. hence helping in the memory alloc calculation
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01:43:44	saratoga	smk: oh sure, you can print anything you want with debugf
01:44:00	saratoga	memory allocation should be the same on the sim as device
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01:46:28	smk	yeah but i couldn't produce the calls on the sim. say i did DEBUGF("hi") within faad_malloc. but while the sim is running, control never goes there. that is, no malloc is being done. so if there was a way where i could force a call or something to that effect, i can get sizes used for every call
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01:49:19	saratoga	smk: are you sure you had it in the right place? what happens if you put the print statement in the init or decode functions?
01:49:37	smk	in the init function it's working
01:49:52	smk	i could track the code till root_menu()
01:50:55	smk	i placed a debugf statement within faad_malloc and played a song on the simulator,hoping that might result in a call to malloc
01:51:29	smk	and yeah , i am rebuilding every time i make a change to the code :P
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01:52:51	smk	i will try with the decode function you mentioned though. i didn't notice the call made by aac earlier. so i will try that.
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01:59:15	ml2	@ saratoga any ideas how i could proceed?
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02:00:34	saratoga	ml2: random stuff, what version of rbutil did you use?
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02:01:34	ml2	1.2.8
02:01:43	ml2	rev 28154
02:03:12	saratoga	that should be fine
02:03:24	saratoga	when you got the firmware to update, did you use rbutil for that?
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02:04:31	ml2	first yes - then i tried it the manual way ...
02:05:06	saratoga	so the firmware updated both ways?
02:05:19	ml2	yes
02:05:38	saratoga	unless i've missed something, i have no idea
02:06:04	ml2	:) so we are on the same level now :D
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02:06:45	ml2	maybe i should try the stable build O:-)
02:07:35	saratoga	if you can't install a bootloader, changing builds won't do anything
02:08:08	ml2	yup you're right :/
02:17:14	ml2	hm - what is mkamsboot.exe doing? is there a docu about the bootloader for the different devices?
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02:26:35	smk	saratoga: a print statement in the decoder didn't work. i put it in this function: NeAACDecDecode , which is called from aac. and played a song on the sim. does it happen with specific audio files?
02:27:22	ml2	hm will try to hack into it tomorrow - its 2:30am :/
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02:29:33	smk	i will look for other functions or entry points and see if the give anything useful. will be off now. thanks for the help :)
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03:27:37	scorche	kugel_: see your proposal(s)' comments...
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03:36:24	[Saint]	Dominik: I'll give your RaaA patches a whirl this afternoon.
03:36:44	[Saint]	I was doing something similar (though, not as fleshed out) with "resources on SD" myself.
03:36:53	[Saint]	gah! why did I do that?!?
03:36:59	[Saint]	er... bluebrother: ^^
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03:42:19	[Saint]	(a (possibly) interesing thing to note is that I experience the lockups on my handset more frequently while the sdcard readahead value is at it's default. the "speed your sdcard read" "hack" floating around XDA etc had (or seemed to) a notable improvement in this respect)
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07:16:23	[Saint]	bluebrother: I've tested both your patches now.
07:17:11	[Saint]	Audio dropouts: I have not yet had a singular audio dropout today, when usually I would have several.
07:19:07	[Saint]	Move resources to SDcard: with your patch, and my deleting all "non-essential" files in the .zip before running 'make apk' I have got the installed size of my 240x320 build down to 8.98MB
07:19:38	[Saint]	(the same tweaks to the .zip without your patch == 10.99 installed)
07:20:10	[Saint]	"stock" RaaA for 240x320 == ~14.8MB
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07:38:45	bluebrother	[Saint]: nice :)
07:38:50	[Saint]	shit.
07:38:57	[Saint]	I just discovered the drawback...
07:39:40	[Saint]	RaaA does the "Loading X of XXX" every time it starts up after the service is stopped now.
07:40:34	[Saint]	it's fine as long as the service doesn't get killed. (either by the OS, or by "Idle Timeout" etc.)
07:40:51	[Saint]	bluebrother: ^
07:43:27	[Saint]	It's not toooo much of an issue, I guess...as long as the service is still running. But it makes the application start time quite considerably longer.
07:45:20	bluebrother	yep, I've seen that too. But it's caused by the SD card move, and the more important thing to me is the playback fix
07:45:34	bluebrother	since previously playback was _really_ unusable for me
07:47:06	[Saint]	It happened to me (the audio dropout thing) approximately once or twice per day.
07:47:20	[Saint]	Heavy seeking/skipping aggrivated it.
07:48:00	[Saint]	I've been specifically trying to get it to hang all day since I applied the patch with heavy seeking and skipping and I have not managed to get it to drop out yet.
07:49:27	[Saint]	And I personally can tolerate +2 seconds for Rockbox to load, but others may not.
07:49:46	[Saint]	It's ok if I don't rely on idle timeout to close the application.
07:50:10	bluebrother	well, I had the audio issue like every second time the display went off.
07:50:25	[Saint]	Wow.
07:50:38	bluebrother	and afterwards I had a hard time getting playback working again −− stop and restart a couple of times, sometimes it was working afterwards
07:50:52	bluebrother	sometimes it was playing back like half of a second and hang again.
07:51:12	bluebrother	killing Rockbox from a task manager and restarting did fix it, but that's really unusable
07:51:50	[Saint]	Hmmm...I wonder if this fixes keyclick for me. I must check that soon. (keyclick used to promote the audio dropout after 1 "click". It would click, then audio output completely stopped)
07:52:37	burnedpotatoe	hi i have am trying to compile RB and I receive the following error : addtargetdir.pl: not found
07:52:42	bluebrother	never used keyclick on Android. Should try.
07:52:53	bluebrother	burnedpotatoe: what exactly are you doing?
07:53:04	burnedpotatoe	compiling rb simulator
07:53:08	bluebrother	I can't remember any addtargetdir.pl being required for building Rockbox
07:53:11	[Saint]	bluebrother: \o/
07:53:13	bluebrother	please be more specific
07:53:24	[Saint]	keyclick works, but it's really annoying :)
07:54:03	[Saint]	it never used to, this patch seems to have fixed it as an added bonus.
07:54:06	burnedpotatoe	well i'm following the http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator tutorial to build the sim for nano 2G
07:54:06	[Saint]	nice.
07:54:22	burnedpotatoe	and when I use make
07:54:36	bluebrother	[Saint]: nice, same here too
07:54:36	burnedpotatoe	i get this error : http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator
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07:54:44	bluebrother	keyclick comes a bit late :)
07:55:20	burnedpotatoe	* this error : addtargetdir.pl: not found
07:55:35	burnedpotatoe	strangely it is in the directory ..
07:55:53	bluebrother	burnedpotatoe: it should be in tools
07:55:59	burnedpotatoe	it is
07:56:10	bluebrother	what OS are you using?
07:56:41	burnedpotatoe	ubuntu 10.10
07:58:52	bluebrother	hmm, addtargetdir.pl is indeed called. Guessed I never noticed it then :)
07:59:01	burnedpotatoe	addtargetdir.pl: not found make: *** No rules to make the target « /Rockbox/build-rb/make.dep », necessary for « all »
07:59:48	burnedpotatoe	i'm pretty new to make and stuff :)
07:59:48	bluebrother	the sources are in /Rockbox?
07:59:58	saratoga	do you have build essential and perl installed in ubuntu?
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08:00:12	bluebrother	Ubuntu doesn't install perl by default?
08:00:20	burnedpotatoe	hum
08:00:24	burnedpotatoe	good question
08:00:59	bluebrother	type "perl" and see if you get an error message :)
08:01:23	burnedpotatoe	yes I have one
08:01:34	bluebrother	one as in error message?
08:02:28	burnedpotatoe	hum I have perl package but when I type perl it doesnt do anything
08:02:40	bluebrother	do you get an error message?
08:02:44	burnedpotatoe	nop
08:02:47	bluebrother	or only "nothing"?
08:02:49	saratoga	then its working
08:02:55	saratoga	do you have build essential?
08:03:22	burnedpotatoe	no :D
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08:06:39	[Saint]	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling
08:08:01	burnedpotatoe	sorry i didnt read that :S
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08:11:49	burnedpotatoe	i will read that and tell you if i get the error again
08:13:22	[Saint]	There's no need to apologize ;) If you follow the steps outlined there, you should have a functional development environment in no time.
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11:09:39	kugel	it's indeed quite short notice
11:12:48	kugel	actually, something like 16:00 (UTC) suit me better, anytime on the weekend would be best.
11:13:23	kugel	but I think I can do it on the proposed date, it'll just be a bit tricky for me to organize
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13:00:34	csetera	I'm the guy that build the tagcache database generator being discussed in the forums. The suggestion was that I stop by here to get some help getting write access to the wiki.
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13:01:31	csetera	If there is anyone around that could help me out with that, I'd appreciate it!
13:04:09	bluebrother	do you have signed up for the wiki yet?
13:06:04	csetera	bluebrother: I tried and it failed for me.
13:06:09	csetera	I can try again right now if you'd like
13:08:01	bluebrother	you should be able to sign up. If not I can't help you, but if that works I can give you write access
13:08:43	bluebrother	is there a specific problem with signing up?
13:09:32	csetera	Let me give it a try again… hold on
13:09:38	csetera	(juggling some work stuff :-) )
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13:12:30	csetera	It looks like despite the errors I saw the other night that my user was created anyway. CraigSetera appears to work for login and just needs write access
13:16:01	bluebrother	ok, so you can login as that user, and that user nane is your real name?
13:16:08	csetera	It is
13:16:18	csetera	http://www.setera.org is me
13:19:14	mshathlonxp	how does screendump works?
13:19:47	gevaerts	The framebuffer is written to a file together with a bmp header
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13:20:51	mshathlonxp	all the time it's enabled?
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13:21:40	n1s	mshathlonxp: no, when you trigger it
13:22:11	mshathlonxp	how?
13:22:28	n1s	by googling? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ScreenDump
13:23:17	mshathlonxp	nice, thanks
13:23:43	mshathlonxp	just one more question - does "usb connector" here means just usb power or data as well?
13:24:01	mshathlonxp	will it do screenshot when I'll plug my ipod to wall charger?
13:24:38	bluebrother	csetera: should work now.
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13:29:00	csetera	bluebrother: ok
13:30:06	csetera	yep. Looks like it is allowing me to change it now
13:30:20	bluebrother	mshathlonxp: try it?
13:30:29	csetera	I will change it to add my tool and then find some time this weekend to update the format to match what I found while working on it
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13:30:39	bluebrother	csetera: good :)
13:35:53	mshathlonxp	just usb power :>
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13:57:02	csetera	Thanks for the help with the wiki. I've made an initial change and will do more updates this weekend. For now, need to drop off
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15:28:43	promyloph	I have a sansa clip+ and everytime I add files with the original firmware rockbox' settings are lost/reset. Bug?
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15:51:31	TheLemonMan	does "BMP" have a meaning when talking about nand?
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16:03:27	sinless	hello
16:03:54	sinless	alexp,i saw chinese language fixed,then try,but also the same
16:05:34	sideral	sinless: Yeah, n1s fixed an unrelated bug that came up when he reviewed the language file. The bug you reported hasn't been found yet.
16:06:23	sideral	It would be best if you reported it on the bug tracker. Please include your findings regarding which releases work and which don't.
16:08:48	CIA-87	New commit by bluebrother (r29713): Remove empty folder.
16:09:19	sideral	promyloph: definitely not intended behavior. Check whether the .rockbox/config.cfg still exists. I also suggest checking the file system.
16:10:47	sideral	sinless: It would also be helpful if you checked whether the problem also occurs with the simulator (with or without the same simdisk contents as you have on your player)
16:12:35	CIA-87	r29713 build result: All green
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16:24:02	sinless	sideral,I just wrote the problem on bug tracker,please help me check the words,I'm poor in English- -
16:24:08	sinless	thanks.
16:24:10	sinless	This bug was found after I update my 7 ipods from 3.3 to 3.8.1
16:24:10	sinless	when using simp-chinese and open database RAM cache, enter database choose one of the sections,rockbox then freeze.only happens with simp-chinese.have already tested on 7 ipods.gen1~5 have the same problem,ipod classic will show a data abort.
16:24:19	sinless	is it right?
16:27:02	sideral	that's OK, thanks sinless. Please add the complete data abort message, including the hexadecimal address displayed on the screen, and the version number of the Rockbox release you were running on your iPod Classic
16:27:53	sideral	sinless: have you tested any versions between 3.3 and 3.8.1?
16:28:12	sideral	if so, please include your results with these versions as well.
16:28:30	promyloph	sideral: config.cfg exists, but fsck.vfat reports "FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ?".
16:28:45	sideral	choose FAT 1.
16:28:50	sinless	no,only 3.3
16:29:03	sideral	promyloph: That's normal on the Clip, the OF sometimes does not update the 2nd FAT
16:29:26	sinless	on 3.3 it works
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16:32:32	promyloph	sideral: Ok, now I'm seeing lots of errors. Need a sample?
16:32:45	kugel	bluebrother: what device/android version?
16:33:03	kugel	htc sense with 2.1 or earlier has a severe bug
16:33:22	sideral	promyloph: Yes, please. Please use pastebin.com for long copy/paste
16:34:35	promyloph	sideral: http://pastebin.com/wwRyE2pv I have no idea which solution is the best, so I just pressed '1' all the time...
16:34:59	promyloph	Looks like this is going on for a long time like this.
16:35:18	sideral	Ugh, looks like it's format time for your disk :)
16:35:54	sideral	BTW, fsck.vfat only really fixes the errors when you run it with the -r flag
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16:37:18	sideral	Next time you write stuff to your player, make sure to unmount it properly before you detach it from the host ;)
16:37:40	promyloph	I'll give it a try. It should be possible to do this with mkfs or do I have to use the OF's format command?
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16:43:14	bluebrother	kugel: the audio issue? HTC Sense on Android 2.2
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16:44:16	bluebrother	device is a Desire, so not a less powerful one
16:45:53	sideral	promyloph: I suggest using the OF's format command. I personally wouldn't dare doing this without flashing a non-Rockbox'd OF first, but YMMV
16:47:21	sideral	BTW, last time I did this, the Clip+'s format procedure did not restore the disk's volume label ("SANSA CLIPP"). I did that manually using mlabel.
16:49:22	promyloph	Looks like mkfs.vfat works too ;)
16:54:02	promyloph	sideral: Ok, that solved my initial problem. Thanks. Another question: rockbox does not support USB data transfer/charging for this device yet, does it?
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16:55:20	sideral	It's there in the code, but not enabled by default because of various issues with it.
16:56:17	promyloph	Can I help with this somehow?
16:57:39	sideral	Check out FS #11664 and FS #11877 if you feel adventurous and want to help testing. Enabling it is a four-line patch to an include file.
16:58:29	sideral	I personally use Rockbox USB on my ClipV2 without any problems, but have run into FS #11877 on my Clip+
16:59:22	sideral	Correction: USB charging is supported out of the box; just USB slave mode is off by default
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17:00:53	promyloph	Thanks. I'll take a look at these.
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17:28:24	burnedpotato	hi i'm trying to compile rb simulator and I receive the following error : addtargetdir.pl: not found when using "make"
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17:33:41	kugelp	bluebrother: so it's not the infamous HTC bug
17:34:55	kugelp	increasing the buffer can work but it's of course bad for latency
17:35:45	kugelp	although, I always thought we don't need a big buffer because we already double buffer with our own pcm buffer
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18:09:31	pamaury	TheLemonMan: just so you now, my program doesn't work with the fuze+ when sending 64 bytes at a time
18:09:48	pamaury	so somehow it needs to be 1024 bytes
18:10:08	[Saint]	kugelp: I was also getting hit by these audio drop-outs, but nowhere near as frequently as bluebrother it seems. It would only occur for me 1~2 times a day under normal use but I was anle to trugger it deliberately with heavy skipping/seeking or enabling keyclick.
18:10:22	TheLemonMan	pamaury: with final intr write ?
18:10:33	pamaury	doesn't matter, transfer fails before
18:10:39	pamaury	(timeout it seems
18:10:40	pamaury	)
18:10:41	[Saint]	I haven't been able to do so sinch I have been running a build with bluebrother's audio dropout patch applied.
18:10:49	[Saint]	*since
18:11:12	pamaury	I'll try your program when I have a reliable feedback but changing this makes it fail :-/
18:11:42	TheLemonMan	i'll add a command to override the packet size then
18:12:18	pamaury	me too, and to choose intr vs reset :)
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18:12:33	pamaury	since I don't know if it matters or not
18:12:57	TheLemonMan	i added the reset just to be sure the connection gets flushed properly
18:13:11	TheLemonMan	it's not needed for me
18:14:05	pamaury	I have an answer to your question: the bootloader doesn't init sdram
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18:14:19	pamaury	since if I write to sdram, it segfaults and reboot
18:15:12	pamaury	I'll try to copy the fuze+ OF hw init stages to see if it works
18:15:17	TheLemonMan	i have reversed just the video init sequence
18:15:52	pamaury	does it work ?
18:16:26	TheLemonMan	i havent written anything yet
18:16:46	TheLemonMan	im wondering if i have to reverse some pwm/gpio initialization too
18:18:07	pamaury	it might be possible. pwm can be useful for backlight, if you don't backlight you won't see anything :) Also some gpio pins can enable power to some external devices...
18:19:00	TheLemonMan	the touchpad is interfaced over i2c wich is accessed via gpio pins
18:19:15	TheLemonMan	and no idea about backlight D:
18:19:49	pamaury	you can try with just lcd init
18:19:53	pamaury	if it works, it's great
18:20:07	pamaury	if it doesn't, then it becomes harder :)
18:20:35	TheLemonMan	are you using the official elf2sb ?
18:21:16	pamaury	for now, yes
18:23:54	pamaury	but ultimately, I'll want to rewrite one, I don't want to depend on such a tool
18:25:26	TheLemonMan	had the same idea, heh
18:26:15	pamaury	based on sbinfo that I wrote, it shouldb't be too hard to rewrite elftosb, not with the same syntax file but something similar
18:28:04	TheLemonMan	the xml-ish config idea was kinda cool
18:28:40	*	pamaury doesn't find xml too existing for such a task
18:30:52	pamaury	If I add to go for something standard, a ini-like syntax seems sufficient
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18:33:01	pamaury	hum, copying the first init stages doesn't seem to work, even when not using the sdram...I hope the problem is not in sbinfo
18:33:17	kugelp	AlexP, gevaerts: is tomorrow 15:00 utc now official?
18:33:30	AlexP	hmm?
18:37:00	*	pamaury wonders if he found a bug in sbinfo
18:37:11	AlexP	kugelp: One moment
18:39:36	pamaury	hum, there is definitely a bug
18:40:19	AlexP	kugelp: What about 18:00 UTC (20:00 CEST) on Saturday?
18:41:01	kugelp	but it looks like my today's schedule changed, I should have time today now
18:41:33	AlexP	hmm :)
18:41:42	gevaerts	Decisions...
18:41:59	AlexP	kugelp: Which would you prefer?
18:44:24	kugelp	one moment
18:47:16	[Saint]	Hmmm...I've actually added shutdown to the main menu, but I fear I may have re-invented the wheel. Is there a define some place that does this automagically?
18:48:22	pamaury	is there a ELF expert around ?
18:49:27	kugelp	AlexP: this is one interview for both proposals? so it'd possibly take longer in which case I would still prefer tomorrow
18:49:27	TheLemonMan	pamaury: i can try answering your question
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18:49:35	AlexP	kugelp: Yeah, one for both
18:49:38	AlexP	OK
18:50:36	AlexP	15:00 or 18:00 UTC?
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18:50:36	kugelp	both are fine, I have nothing planned for tomorrow
18:51:02	AlexP	let's say 18:00 then
18:51:11	AlexP	stamp, done :)
18:51:24	pamaury	my sbinfo tool generate one section per program header, but when I dump it with objdump, the first section always disappear, is there something special with the first section ?
18:51:29	kugelp	alright, cool :-)
18:54:15	pamaury	hum, apparently the first section is undefined
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18:57:37	pamaury	cool, works much better this way !)
18:59:14	pamaury	hum, but it still doesn't work on the device :(
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19:00:53	[Saint]	is there an "#if <foo>" that will cover RaaA?
19:01:21	[Saint]	I can't seem to find what I should be using just poking around in the source.
19:04:27	pamaury	TheSeven: it works ! By copying the init bits from the OF I have sdram working ! I need to commit a fix to sbinfo...
19:05:15	CIA-87	New commit by pamaury (r29714): sbinfo: fix section headers generation (first section is always undefined)
19:05:47	TheSeven	huh? what works?
19:06:00	pamaury	sdram
19:06:13	TheSeven	on which target?
19:06:19	pamaury	fuze+
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19:06:34	pamaury	the recovery mode doesn't do sdram initialization
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19:09:10	CIA-87	r29714 build result: All green
19:09:41	Torne	i assume it downloads teh code into iram?
19:10:12	pamaury	yeah, in the on-chip-ram
19:10:35	pamaury	well, it can download it where your want actually
19:10:52	pamaury	but if you write to sdram before init, it fails nicely of course
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19:35:07	bluebrother	kugelp: do you have some more information about this infamous HTC bug? "some HTC phones with 2.1 are broken" is a bit ... terse
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19:44:41	[Saint]	Am I correct in thinking there's some commented out define somewhere to add shutdown to the main menu, or am I wasting my time on some fools quest looking for it?
19:45:31	kugel	[Saint]: idle poweroff not sufficient for you?
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19:46:05	pixelma	bluebrother: my phone is not an HTC one so I think it's unrelated or maybe two different things with the same symptoms or so
19:46:10	gevaerts	[Saint]: the Player has a shutdown menu item I think
19:46:18	[Saint]	waiting a minute is a PITA when I have to reboot to enable something.
19:46:40	pixelma	it has indeed
19:46:46	[Saint]	gevaerts: yeah, I can see that in root_menu.c
19:47:07	gevaerts	[Saint]: so that's where you start looking for your define :)
19:47:10	[Saint]	I thought there was some define somewhere to enable it on all targets, but I seem to be incorrect.
19:47:32	kugel	[Saint]: the reboot-to-enable stuff is possibly solved by the end of the summer :)
19:47:40	kugel	(hopefully)
19:48:17	[Saint]	so, what could I do to include RaaA in this statement? "#if CONFIG_KEYPAD == PLAYER_PAD"
19:48:17	kugel	[Saint]: try #ifdef APPLICATION
19:48:42	[Saint]	Aha, thanks.
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19:54:15	AlexP	Could any devs/mentors join #rockbox-gsoc if they haven't already and are interested
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19:57:25	liquidAcid	hi there. i just noticed that my rockboxed fuze-v1 won't be detected anymore as mass storage device by my system. the OF still works though - any ideas what could be wrong there?
19:59:38	mishra	hi AlexP
19:59:49	AlexP	mishra: Hi, good to see you
19:59:54	AlexP	Hang on one moment
19:59:58	mishra	ok
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20:01:46	AlexP	mishra: see PM
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20:16:23	wodz	pamury: Is there some fundamental reason for bulk transfer sending correctly only first 128 bytes? The endpoint reports 512 max transfer size
20:17:27	pamaury	fifo size perhaps ?
20:17:51	pamaury	is that a usb 2.0 controller ?
20:18:06	wodz	yes
20:19:00	pamaury	do you know the fifo size of the controller ? (there is probably one)
20:19:05	pamaury	can you configure it ?
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20:21:45	pamaury	hum, I have the datasheet, I can have a look by myself. I can't see another reason
20:21:52	wodz	by the fifo you mean internal transfer register? If so the length config register is 11bits so I assume 2048bytes
20:23:02	pamaury	yeah, all usb controllers have a fifo because they can't send directly from sdram, they need internal storage
20:23:19	pamaury	manuals says 2640 x 32-bit space
20:23:58	wodz	yep, but I can't see how one can configure more than 2048bytes transfer
20:24:34	pamaury	It's quite possible you can't change anything, in which cases this 128 byte limit is strange
20:27:25	pamaury	wait
20:27:51	wodz	now that's weird. The transfers are ok in buffer and are screwed up when memcopying the data
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20:28:38	pamaury	I remember on the e200 (are others), we found out that there was a 64 byte limit if the cpu was not boosted: the dma would be slow of something similar
20:29:14	wodz	the cpu is running at full speed
20:29:52	pamaury	everything is working at maximum speed ?
20:30:07	pamaury	(depending on socs, lots of clocks might be configurable)
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20:31:07	wodz	pamaury: well default is 200 (or I believe 240 in case of rk2705) for arm core, 100 (120) for AHB bus and 50 (60) for APB
20:31:54	pamaury	well, if you say everything is at maximum speed, there is another problem :(
20:36:16	pamaury	when you say "The transfers are ok in buffer and are screwed up when memcopying the data", do you mean that if your read the data in the buffer it's ok but if you copy it after, it's garbage ?
20:36:20	pamaury	might a caching probleùm
20:36:25	pamaury	*be
20:38:25	wodz	caches are disabled I believe
20:38:55	wodz	but worth checking
20:39:34	pamaury	caches and buffer, well everything :)
20:39:37	[Saint]	cd ..
20:39:39	[Saint]	cd ..
20:39:44	[Saint]	oops
20:39:47	[Saint]	FAIL
20:39:52	pamaury	cd [Saint]
20:39:56	pamaury	cd [Saint] :)
20:40:21	pamaury	I'm not an ARM expert but we had problem on amsv2 because of caches, that was nasty
20:40:26	[Saint]	bash: No such file or directory
20:41:05	wodz	there must be some subtle configuration problem because this loader worked before I killed nand bootloader and relay purely on rom
20:41:42	pamaury	maybe the bootloader does some magic
20:41:48	pamaury	tweaking the sdram
20:41:58	pamaury	or some mysterious registers if there are any
20:42:10	wodz	no, I do ram init the same way as before
20:42:59	pamaury	do you know if there are registers to tweak usb ?
20:43:17	pamaury	so general configuration bits, the manual is quite long, you know it better than me
20:43:19	pamaury	*some
20:43:25	wodz	hmm cache is at most 32kB so the problem should manifest earlier
20:44:45	pamaury	well, the important thing is that the usb controller has its own dma engine, so it bypasses the arm core caches, etc
20:45:12	pamaury	but if you disabled the cache, it should not be a problem
20:48:02	pamaury	did you reverse engineer the nand bootloader (or even have the code ?)
20:48:39	wodz	I started the disassembly
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20:50:16	pamaury	there is the DEV_PHYBUS16_8 bit in DEV_CTL, you can try it :)
20:50:42	wodz	:-)
20:50:55	pamaury	obviously you're sure the controller is running at high speed ?
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20:51:24	pamaury	(I'm asking the obvious I know)
20:52:38	wodz	I (almost) don't touch configuration of the controler and take what bootrom configured for me. But since I am able to transfer sdram init code and it works basic things are ok
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20:53:42	wodz	the difference is that sdram init is transfered as control transfer and is limited to 2048 bytes total
20:54:03	pamaury	that's a bootrom limitation ?
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20:55:03	wodz	don't know but tested
20:55:24	pamaury	2048 isn't too much :)
20:55:58	pamaury	recalls me of the 512 bytes limit for FAT on x86
20:56:41	wodz	for transferring sdram init code is more than enough
20:57:26	pamaury	how do you transfer code to sdram then ?
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20:59:14	wodz	first transfer is to iram
20:59:45	*	wodz facepalm
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21:00:21	wodz	placement of the buffer in iram is the limitation of that control transfer
21:00:34	saratoga	which device is this?
21:00:40	wodz	at least I understood something :-)
21:00:49	wodz	saratoga: rockchip rk2705
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21:10:41	wodz	victory!!!
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21:12:17	wodz	usb transfers were ok, I made mistake in code moving data from buffor to the final destination
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21:28:24	pamaury	nice
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22:25:19	Luca_S	hello everybody! today I had some time to retry bisecting my uSD problem with fuzev2, but I didn't have consistent results. that's strange. i'll try again :)
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22:35:55	bertrik	I haven't seen any other people reporting sd issues with 3.8.1, odd that you still have them.
22:36:25	pixelma	[16:57:05] <AlexP> We have dailies for a month IIRC <- nope, four days only (and old releases) :\
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22:39:16	Luca_S	bertrik, i'm puzzled too. i'd think about a hardware problem, yet in the of works reliably :(
22:41:50	AlexP	pixelma: Oh, it used to be a month though?
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22:42:17	pixelma	yes, that's quite some time ago though
22:42:27	AlexP	ok, thanks for letting me know :)
22:43:48	pixelma	I found and still find 4 days a bit too few, I remember a situation where builds were broken and until noticed all completely working ones were "gone" and I couldn't recommend a daily (was just a bit more than 4 days, maybe 7 or 8)
22:45:48	Bagder	I'm sure we can boost that
22:46:32	pixelma	well, IIRC it was Zagor who decided to reduce it to what it is now and I thought he had a reason
22:47:02	Bagder	right, but given a reason I'm sure it can be discussed
22:47:15	Bagder	we have disk space to spare
22:49:54	*	Bagder goes ahead and increases it to 28 days
22:49:55	pixelma	the occasion I remember is also quite some time ago now, so memory is quite blurry and I don't know any of the details and when it was exactly
22:51:07	pixelma	maybe 14 for a compromise? I won't complain about 28 though ;)
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22:51:54	Bagder	we have 173G available now, we can do it
22:52:57	pixelma	nice, thanks :)
22:53:46	pixelma	it could also help for bug tracking
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22:57:52	Leif	FYI, I'm awake.
22:58:10	Leif	although I appear to be 3 minutes early...
22:58:27	gevaerts	Don't worry, we'll get to you soon :)
22:58:31	Leif	okay
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23:01:42	AlexP	Leif: PM
23:10:15	kugelp	Leif: good luck :-)
23:11:19	Leif	thanks
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23:41:28	Luca_S	arrgh. a revision that this morning worked now doesn't work. i hate this uSD
23:42:02	Luca_S	i really need to test a different one.
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23:42:48	sideral	Luca_S: Probably makes sense. I remember you saying this SD is cursed ;)
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23:44:12	Luca_S	yep. unluckily i'm on a tight budget and have no room for another 8gb card right now. but i should have a 2gb one in my phone. i could try swapping them. let's check
23:45:54	CIA-87	New commit by sideral (r29715): Better dircache handling in simulator ...
23:45:56	CIA-87	New commit by sideral (r29716): Do not attempt to remove the temporary database twice during a database update.
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23:47:04	Luca_S	cool! the phone one is a class 4 8gb, let's swap the files on them and see.
23:49:21	CIA-87	r29715 build result: All green
23:53:07	CIA-87	r29716 build result: All green
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