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| 00:37:39 | lovasoa | is there anyone ? |
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| 00:39:38 | lovasoa | youhou |
| 00:40:14 | lovasoa | Does everyone sleep ? |
| 00:40:47 | wodz | If you have rockbox related question just ask |
| 00:40:57 | lovasoa | yes I have |
| 00:41:27 | lovasoa | I am trying to hack iap.c, and got some problems |
| 00:42:41 | lovasoa | When I shut down my iPod dock, the playback in rockbox doesn't stop, so the dock immediatly switch back on |
| 00:43:40 | lovasoa | So I went into iap.c, and added a case in "mode Ox00 |
| 00:43:55 | wodz | Fill bug report with as much details as possible. There is some work done currently in this area |
| 00:44:11 | lovasoa | But I created a patch |
| 00:45:02 | wodz | great |
| 00:45:12 | lovasoa | But in the code all the "cases" send a response to the accessory. And I don't knox what response to send |
| 00:45:24 | lovasoa | *know |
| 00:46:27 | wodz | ipodlinux had some iap documentation but the site is down I think |
| 00:46:51 | lovasoa | All the doc I found is http://stud3.tuwien.ac.at/~e0026607/ipod_remote/ipod_ap.html |
| 00:47:22 | lovasoa | But it doesn't mention the code my dock is sending when shutting down |
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| 00:50:16 | wodz | have you seen this: http://nuxx.net/wiki/Apple_Accessory_Protocol ? |
| 00:50:33 | wodz | it looks like a copy from old ipodlinux wiki |
| 00:50:35 | bluebroth3r | a case Ox00 can't work. |
| 00:51:05 | bluebroth3r | it needs to be 0x00 if at all |
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| 00:51:48 | lovasoa | Sorry, it was a missplelling |
| 00:54:04 | lovasoa | My dock sends, when shutting down 0x00 as mode, and 0x06 as command |
| 00:54:47 | lovasoa | According to the page you gave, it's "Switch to iPod Remote mode (same as 0x01 0x02?) " |
| 00:56:15 | wodz | I guess you mix up command and response |
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| 00:57:13 | wodz | hmm or maybe not |
| 00:58:47 | lovasoa | Hmm? I got this information by reading the "serbuf" array... This array only contains commands, doesn't't it? |
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| 03:30:15 | JdGordon | [Saint]: changing list item icons is dead simple, its just a matter of changing a value in the code, no real code changes... so if you're game you could fix it all |
| 03:32:51 | JdGordon | even adding items wouldnt nivolve any actual code changes |
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| 03:42:12 | Buschel | only the m4a demuxer keeps using malloc |
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| 04:14:07 | mt | Buschel: Nice work. :) |
| 04:14:37 | Buschel | still not finished though :) |
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| 04:36:44 | pepsi | im trying to compile code for a mini2440, but im getting undefined references to __divsi3 and similarly named functions |
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| 04:37:27 | pepsi | i tried linking with libgcc but that didnt resolve it |
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| 04:42:41 | kugel | pepsi: I think nobody tried to compile for the mini2440 in a long time |
| 04:43:11 | kugel | we provide our own functions for (u)divsi3, IIRC, in some .S file so you might start looking if it's compiled at all |
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| 04:50:54 | pepsi | so this is a common problem for bare metal code? |
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| 04:54:45 | JoshuaChang | while try to cmpile the manual under cygwin, it report: ! LaTeX Error: File `inputenx.sty' not found. |
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| 05:00:36 | furoni | im having issues locating any type of changes for my mp4 player, the current rock box doesnt detect it. im using a Altus MP4 player. and find very little help with searching forms |
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| 05:07:05 | JoshuaChang | are you sure your player is in the rockbox's support list? |
| 05:08:00 | furoni | its not on the support list, i was just wondering if they had, any type of support coming with it. all ive gathered is its a rockchip player. sorry if im wasting peoples time |
| 05:20:19 | JoshuaChang | i don't think it could be possible to support all the player, even with similar cpus |
| 05:21:31 | furoni | ok thanks for your help i will keep my search ongoing |
| 05:23:10 | JoshuaChang | rockbox support running as an application on android, if you have one android compatible device, it's possible to be supported by rockbox |
| 05:25:44 | furoni | ok i think this isnt quite as high tech as android i will probly have to attempt to find some new coding or auto run on my player. its just a 22 dollar mp4 4gigi player form menards |
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| 07:41:46 | pixelma | JoshuaChang: you need to get an inputenx.sty from some newer tex package, the tetex ones provided by the cygwin package manager are quite outdated. There is one report in the forums where to get one and bluebroth3r updated the install instructions (and split them to another page) just a few days ago and recommends texinfo if I remember correctly |
| 07:42:54 | JoshuaChang | thanks, i'll check the instructions. |
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| 09:58:47 | jhMikeS | pixelma: skipping is different enough now I'd be surprised to see the same issue if in fact that originates in playback.c, rather than say, pcmbuf.c or something else. |
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| 12:12:23 | PurlingNayuki | Hi everyone! |
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| 12:12:41 | PurlingNayuki | I have a question. |
| 12:13:27 | PurlingNayuki | In the source code of Rockbox, SYS_FONT stands for the built-in font, then how can I use the user-selected font? |
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| 14:48:57 | dfkt | would it be possible for someone with no experience in C programming (i.e. me), to add a "swap L/R channels" feature to the channel configuration settings? |
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| 15:23:43 | Kuschel | hi everyone, is there a way to modify the output format of %bs in a theme? |
| 15:32:08 | CIA-87 | New commit by bluebrother (r29758): Use System TTS if none is set. ... |
| 15:32:16 | CIA-87 | New commit by bluebrother (r29759): Make TTS names translatable and change Sapi to SAPI. |
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| 15:38:25 | CIA-87 | r29759 build result: All green |
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| 16:38:47 | linuxstb | dfkt: Look at dsp.c and see if you can work it out. It looks relatively easy to do if you can understand the existing code... |
| 16:46:58 | pixelma | fml said he was interested in adding this feature just yesterday |
| 16:47:08 | pixelma | or maybe the day before |
| 16:48:51 | JoshuaChang | what feature？ |
| 16:50:48 | dfkt | linuxstb, thanks. i had a look at dsp.c, sound.c, sound.h, and audiohw.c, all of them containing some sound channel references. will try to work it out :) |
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| 17:00:54 | pixelma | JoshuaChang: swap left and right channels |
| 17:02:15 | * | pixelma also points to the link to a channel log in the topic |
| 17:03:14 | JoshuaChang | i'm also reading dsp.c, try to understand the buf[] |
| 17:03:55 | dfkt | pixelma, fml wanted to add channel swap? |
| 17:04:01 | JoshuaChang | i do want to write a delayline process function, if there is a workaround |
| 17:05:02 | JoshuaChang | don't want |
| 17:08:12 | pixelma | dfkt: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20110420#21:46:44 , fml is hard to catch "live" in IRC though but he usually reads logs |
| 17:10:03 | dfkt | ah very nice. thank you. i see bertrik finds that to be a "useless feature". well, i have several pairs of in-ear phones that are more comfortable worn with the 'wrong' earbud per ear, and having channel swap would be a much better choice than soldering a swap cable adapter |
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| 17:38:44 | CIA-87 | New commit by bluebrother (r29760): Fix "Test TTS" button not working. ... |
| 17:42:11 | CIA-87 | r29760 build result: All green |
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| 17:46:11 | * | mshathlonxp is wondering why rockbox doesn't have "load .cfg" option [yes, I know how it's supposed to load them] |
| 17:46:29 | bluebroth3r | it does not? |
| 17:47:14 | mshathlonxp | executing them in file browser doesn't counts |
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| 17:47:41 | bluebroth3r | Settings / Manage Settings / Browse .cfg files |
| 17:47:48 | pepsi | this is driving me absolutely crazy.. i can't divide |
| 17:47:51 | pepsi | wtf |
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| 17:48:27 | bluebroth3r | it _could_ be named differently, yeah. But IMO there's no real reason for that |
| 17:48:31 | mshathlonxp | oh, sorry |
| 17:48:36 | pepsi | i get undefined references to things like __divsi3 and such, trying to build other code for an arm target |
| 17:48:42 | * | mshathlonxp as sometimes happens, overlooket that |
| 17:48:57 | mshathlonxp | overlooked* |
| 17:49:13 | pepsi | rockbox seems to be able to divide, but there are too many makefiles and scripts and whatnot to dissect it |
| 17:49:17 | bluebroth3r | there's always this thing when you're looking for something and those guys gave it a slightly different name ;-) |
| 17:50:36 | bluebroth3r | pepsi: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:51:00 | pepsi | bluebroth3r: compile code for a bare metal arm board.. not rockbox |
| 17:51:15 | pepsi | ive been looking at rockbox because it has a port for the mini2440 |
| 17:51:21 | bluebroth3r | ah, so you're missing division functions for that? |
| 17:52:08 | pepsi | yeah, but rockbox builds fine.. i had to comment out a line in the crt0.S file about a symbol beingf in a different section, but that was just to make it compile |
| 17:52:27 | pepsi | otherwise it builds perfectly, and division doesnt cause those undefined references |
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| 17:53:54 | wavedigit | hi, just a quick question, Rockbox OS itself is exclusively located in the HDD (of the iPod 5g 80gb) right? |
| 17:54:43 | wavedigit | so basically, if I were to remove an HDD with a working RB OS and put it in another (working) ipod, I would get a working RB OS right? |
| 17:54:56 | wavedigit | *the same working RB OS |
| 17:55:18 | dfkt | would this go in the right direction for sound channel swap? - http://pastie.org/1822817 |
| 17:55:45 | bluebroth3r | wavedigit: yes. |
| 17:56:09 | wavedigit | bluebroth3r, thx! |
| 17:57:24 | linuxstb | dfkt: I haven't even tried to compile it, but this may work - http://www.pastebin.ca/2049395 |
| 17:57:48 | dfkt | oooh, i will give it a try asap - thanks! |
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| 17:59:14 | dfkt | i see i wasnt't too far off with the structure at least :) |
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| 18:00:55 | saratoga | nice work |
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| 18:12:22 | amiconn | Channel swapping would be possible on hwcodec too (in fact it's rather simple) |
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| 18:42:11 | dfkt | linuxstb, it compiled fine, but the channels aren't swapped |
| 18:44:25 | dfkt | oh, wait, the channels are swapped, but pan/balance still works as if it's regular stereo |
| 18:44:27 | bertrik | I guess there need to be more ++'es |
| 18:44:53 | bertrik | oh, no |
| 18:46:35 | dfkt | ie. panning left with swapped stereo results in a pan to the right |
| 18:46:58 | dfkt | when wearing earphones the wrong way around :) |
| 18:47:11 | * | bertrik is confused by channels_process_sound_chan_swap |
| 18:47:13 | dfkt | i guess that would be a separate issue |
| 18:47:50 | gevaerts | dfkt: I think balance is usually done by hardware |
| 18:48:01 | gevaerts | So that setting should be inverted too |
| 18:48:18 | gevaerts | And possibly others too... |
| 18:48:28 | dfkt | ah ok, i'm trying it on a clip+ at the moment |
| 18:48:55 | bertrik | some codecs already have a cross gain IIRC |
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| 18:49:26 | gevaerts | dfkt: see firmware/sound.c |
| 18:51:15 | bertrik | for the clip+ there is no cross gain from DAC to headphones unfortunately ... |
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| 19:17:07 | gbl08ma | hello everyone. I just came here to report a problem in the forums, more specifically at this thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27813.msg180436 |
| 19:17:49 | gbl08ma | I replied and I can't see my reply, again. It already happened before, and it has been commented on IRC already |
| 19:18:51 | gbl08ma | the worse is that I've just discovered that I wrote a mistake and i'd like to rewrite it, and I can't modify the post as I only see it on the reply page. |
| 19:21:35 | gbl08ma | Also, regarding the problem zlodey is having, I wonder if it's a problem like another that appeared on the forums some days ago, on the same iPod Nano model, related to LCD voltage reduction. |
| 19:22:16 | gevaerts | gbl08ma: I've marked it as not spam now |
| 19:22:52 | gbl08ma | I thought it was that spam filter again... thank you |
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| 19:26:40 | dfkt | gevaerts, i assume you mean there need to be additional instructions in case channels are swapped, to this part? - http://pastie.org/1823102 |
| 19:27:58 | gevaerts | dfkt: maybe the changes are better done in apps/settings* |
| 19:28:01 | gevaerts | Not sure... |
| 19:32:03 | saratoga | maybe it would make more sense to flip the channels earlier in DSP so that each individual effect doesn't have to be aware of the change |
| 19:33:26 | gevaerts | saratoga: the way I understand this (but these things confuse me anyway!), in this use case, i.e. actually swapping the left and right earphones, that won't work for at least balance |
| 19:34:07 | saratoga | ah ok |
| 19:34:41 | gevaerts | I actually suspect that this may need two separate settings to cover all cases |
| 19:35:16 | bertrik | why two? |
| 19:35:21 | bertrik | balance is the only other one I think |
| 19:36:05 | bertrik | I mean balance is probably the only thing to change in addition to swapping the channels |
| 19:36:20 | gevaerts | People who have left/right swapped files, or people who want to reverse because they don't hear well in one ear and want to find out what they're missing (IIRC that was mentioned on the forums) don't want to swap balance (and other similar things if they happen to exist), while people with dfkt's use case want to swap both channels and balance |
| 19:36:48 | saratoga | is balance done in hardware? |
| 19:37:09 | gevaerts | It's done in firmware/ for all players, and in hardware for several |
| 19:38:24 | dfkt | my confusion with linuxstb's patch actually stemmed from the fact that i hear less in my left ear, so i always use pan/balance (around -8 to -10) - thus why i falsely assumed the channels weren't swapped. |
| 19:38:28 | bertrik | alternatively, people could just accept that balance doesn't go along with the channel swap ... |
| 19:39:11 | CIA-87 | New commit by bluebrother (r29761): Better hilight detected item after autodetection. ... |
| 19:39:38 | gevaerts | dfkt: you could of course make your own lang file with "left" and "right" swapped :) |
| 19:40:49 | saratoga | we're so random about effects are applied, replaygain is software in dsp, while balance gain is firmware or even hardware :) |
| 19:41:33 | dfkt | gevaerts, i could blast loud noise in my right ear, so both ears are evend out ;) |
| 19:42:09 | CIA-87 | r29761 build result: All green |
| 19:42:19 | gevaerts | I think I once suggested that very solution to someone :) |
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| 19:43:40 | bluebroth3r | hmm, when trying a change just committed on a different machine I should update from svn first :o |
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| 19:45:51 | Buschel | gbl08ma: the photos of the nano 2g look like photos I have seen before (about beginning of this year) |
| 19:46:02 | gbl08ma | hmmm |
| 19:46:33 | Buschel | might be connected to the voltage stuff. I should build a test build for him |
| 19:48:11 | gbl08ma | What do you mean by seeing the photos before? Are they reused, or?? |
| 19:48:49 | Buschel | no, the issue looks very similar |
| 19:52:16 | Buschel | gbl08ma: btw, from what voltage on does your display start to buzz? |
| 19:53:41 | gbl08ma | I don't know, I never messed up with that values |
| 19:54:00 | gbl08ma | and I'm away from my build PC now |
| 19:54:33 | Buschel | I didn't for a while... Can you do some tests when you have access again? No need to hurry, but I would like to check how much we could go up. |
| 19:54:54 | Buschel | btw, the voltage is +100 mV per step |
| 19:54:54 | gbl08ma | I didn't even know the buzz was related to the voltage the display is working at. |
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| 19:55:40 | gbl08ma | OK, but I'll only have time perhaps next week |
| 19:56:24 | Buschel | that's fine, I'll work on my aac stuff until then :) |
| 19:57:12 | saratoga | Buschel: did you see that new Google AAC decoder? |
| 19:57:42 | Buschel | no, I just read in the logs that it must be documented very well |
| 19:57:52 | saratoga | yes that was my impression |
| 19:58:14 | saratoga | many of the headers had references for the algorithms implemented |
| 19:58:47 | saratoga | was going to suggest that before you go too deep into rewriting bits of libfaad you check if the equivalent code is any better |
| 19:58:57 | Buschel | fixed point? |
| 19:59:41 | saratoga | yeah |
| 19:59:48 | CIA-87 | New commit by bluebrother (r29762): Implement simple run for non-multithreaded TTS. ... |
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| 20:00:04 | saratoga | sadly they did not include any significant ASM |
| 20:00:08 | bluebroth3r | sooo ... anyone around who did experience the voicefile problem with Rockbox Utility? |
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| 20:02:06 | saratoga | does the database still hang if theres no music on the device? |
| 20:02:38 | bertrik | I see there are ipods (besides the nano 2g and the classic) that do not support iap in rockbox, any special reason for that? |
| 20:03:00 | CIA-87 | r29762 build result: All green |
| 20:03:09 | linuxstb | bertrik: Which ones? |
| 20:03:19 | bertrik | like the ipod 3g |
| 20:03:49 | linuxstb | The ipod 1g-3g use a different SoC to the later ones. So I guess no-one has written the low-levle drivers. |
| 20:04:23 | saratoga | plus the 3g port became stable in rockbox so much later that hardly anyone has that device |
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| 20:06:07 | gbl08ma | I'm under the impression that those who have 3G iPod and don't use apple FW use IPL, not Rockbox. |
| 20:06:46 | bertrik | Which SoC is in the 3G? |
| 20:06:48 | saratoga | probably not, they're even less function then we are |
| 20:06:51 | saratoga | pp5002 |
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| 20:08:22 | zlodey | hallo |
| 20:08:23 | bertrik | iap is currently using a PP serial driver AFAIK |
| 20:08:40 | Buschel | zlodey: good to see you! |
| 20:08:49 | zlodey | me too |
| 20:08:57 | zlodey | it's the first time i use irc ;) |
| 20:09:06 | zlodey | so i guess i did everything right |
| 20:09:07 | zlodey | :) |
| 20:09:11 | Buschel | zlodey: I just updated the forum and placed a link to a new buiild |
| 20:09:35 | bertrik | so with some luck and minimal changes it could work for the 3g as well |
| 20:09:42 | Buschel | zlodey: would be good if you could give http://www.sendspace.com/file/48pt0c a try |
| 20:11:29 | bertrik | assuming the serial port stuff is similar between pp5002 and pp502x |
| 20:11:32 | zlodey | and put it instead of the one on my iPod ? |
| 20:11:41 | gbl08ma | zlodey: yes. obviously, you need to have Rockbox bootloader installed - in case you have uninstalle dit already, install it using RB utility |
| 20:13:38 | zlodey | the one installed on iPod is 40 MB weight |
| 20:13:56 | zlodey | the one you gave me is 8.77 MB |
| 20:14:06 | zlodey | is OK to replace it ? |
| 20:14:11 | saratoga | yes |
| 20:14:14 | Buschel | yes |
| 20:14:21 | saratoga | to upgrade rockbox you just copy a new folder over the old |
| 20:14:26 | saratoga | the OS merges the two |
| 20:14:49 | zlodey | and now eject iPod ? |
| 20:15:28 | gbl08ma | yes |
| 20:15:49 | gbl08ma | and reboot using menu+select |
| 20:15:53 | zlodey | great !!!! |
| 20:15:58 | zlodey | it work good |
| 20:15:58 | Buschel | works? |
| 20:16:03 | zlodey | i see the screen |
| 20:16:04 | zlodey | :D |
| 20:16:11 | Buschel | \o/ |
| 20:16:28 | gbl08ma | Buschel: oh well. I wonder how many million devices need to have voltage at max to work. |
| 20:16:38 | Buschel | ok, then let's go deeper :o) |
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| 20:18:10 | * | Buschel wonders why it took so long to have bug report for this issue... |
| 20:19:06 | zlodey | how does the seek function works here ? |
| 20:19:17 | * | gbl08ma wonders how many users have tried Rockbox on their nano2g and thought it was a piece of s*** because the LCD worked incorrectly! |
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| 20:19:30 | Buschel | zlodey: http://www.sendspace.com/file/cvu9js <- can you copy this to your ipod (into the /.rockbox folder) and restart? |
| 20:19:36 | zlodey | i mean, in it's firmware i click SELCT and rotate the wheel |
| 20:20:56 | Buschel | zlodey: you navigate in rockbox via the scrollwheel and using SELECT or LEFT/RIGHT |
| 20:22:21 | zlodey | yes but when a song is playing, if i click SELECT, then the root menu appears |
| 20:22:32 | wavedigit | where can I find some basic troubleshooting tips when I'm having the sad ipod logo (and a link to the apple ipod support) is showing up everytime I try to start my 5g ipod 80gb |
| 20:22:45 | gbl08ma | zlodey: you should really read the manual! You press and hold >> (next) or << (back) during a music to jump on the song- |
| 20:22:52 | zlodey | in ipod by clicking SELECT i could navigate IN track with wheel |
| 20:23:06 | zlodey | yes |
| 20:23:12 | zlodey | i tryed this |
| 20:23:17 | zlodey | and it works |
| 20:23:51 | zlodey | but i wanted the apple naviagtion :) |
| 20:24:00 | zlodey | hold a minute |
| 20:24:11 | zlodey | will try to copy the file you gave me |
| 20:24:31 | Buschel | zlodey: can you please copy this http://www.sendspace.com/file/cvu9js to your ipod (.rockbox folder) and restart it again? I would like to see from which voltage on your LCD work properly |
| 20:24:46 | gbl08ma | Rockbox is not Apple FW. If you want to use Rockbox like Apple FW, you use Apple FW, not Rockbox. |
| 20:32:44 | * | Buschel nano2g = silent @2.6V, low buzz @2.8V, very low buzz @2.6V |
| 20:33:41 | Buschel | ahem: loud buzz @3.0V, low buzz @2.8V and very low buzz (near silent) @2.6V |
| 20:33:43 | zlodey | pasted |
| 20:33:45 | zlodey | restarted |
| 20:33:50 | zlodey | nothing unusual |
| 20:33:59 | Buschel | good |
| 20:34:38 | zlodey | the one i pasted was of the same size as the old one |
| 20:34:43 | zlodey | is this important ? |
| 20:35:24 | Buschel | zlodey: no, they only differ in one value which is set to the power controller |
| 20:35:41 | Buschel | next one: http://www.sendspace.com/file/m6t4kb |
| 20:36:09 | Buschel | this uses 2.8V (which in the middle of the non-working and the last firmware) |
| 20:37:01 | gbl08ma | We need to test lots of builds because we are changing the voltage every build in order to discover what voltage works. |
| 20:37:38 | Buschel | well, there is a range from 2.6V to 3.0V in 0.1V steps. not too many ;) |
| 20:37:49 | Buschel | 3 of 5 we already have |
| 20:38:04 | gbl08ma | Buschel: perhaps a temporary test setting on a single build that allow voltage to be changed from inside RB would be useful for debugging more cases like this, no? |
| 20:38:29 | saratoga | yeah but thats harder then just compiling a bunch of builds :) |
| 20:38:36 | Buschel | yes ;) |
| 20:39:09 | zlodey | works good |
| 20:40:03 | zlodey | and a some kind of bug |
| 20:40:38 | zlodey | when i scroll a list, the cursor goes to the end of list and then skips to the first item in list |
| 20:40:46 | zlodey | 2 or 3 times this happens |
| 20:40:57 | zlodey | then doesn't happen |
| 20:41:00 | Buschel | does it wake up from sleep properly (just letting it switch off after timeout of a few seconds, and then wake it up again via pressing a button) |
| 20:41:55 | Buschel | final test build -> http://www.sendspace.com/file/1gv3hl |
| 20:41:55 | zlodey | where do i find sleep menu ? |
| 20:42:32 | Buschel | isn't the sleep timeout on by default? |
| 20:43:18 | zlodey | 0.05 are minutes ? |
| 20:43:26 | zlodey | or second ? |
| 20:43:30 | gbl08ma | Buschel: the "few seconds" are 30 by default, I think. It only sleeps after backlight has turned off. |
| 20:43:50 | Buschel | zlodey: Settings / General Settings / Display / LCD Settings / Sleep (After Backlight Off) -> 10 |
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| 20:44:39 | zlodey | on my ipod it's the following menu |
| 20:44:57 | zlodey | system - time&date - sleep timer |
| 20:45:21 | zlodey | and there i se 0:05 0:10 |
| 20:45:33 | Buschel | that's another timer. go to the main menu and follow the path I wrote above |
| 20:45:35 | zlodey | these are minutes or seconds ? |
| 20:45:40 | zlodey | ah |
| 20:45:42 | zlodey | go |
| 20:47:36 | zlodey | by "sleep" you mean that the display turns off after the light goes down ? |
| 20:47:43 | gbl08ma | yes |
| 20:47:47 | Buschel | yes |
| 20:47:57 | zlodey | and then when i touch the will it lights on |
| 20:48:04 | zlodey | seems to work good |
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| 20:48:35 | Buschel | gbl08ma: I think it will be a good idea to go for 2.8V. this will ensure function for iPods like zlodey owns. and it is still not as loud as OF |
| 20:48:46 | Buschel | zlodey: thanks, sounds good to me |
| 20:49:11 | gbl08ma | Buschel: but does it buzz? |
| 20:49:11 | Buschel | zlodey: can you just update to the last test build -> http://www.sendspace.com/file/1gv3hl |
| 20:49:20 | zlodey | yes |
| 20:49:33 | Buschel | gbl08ma: even 2.6V buzzes very slightly |
| 20:50:02 | Buschel | gbl08ma: try it -> http://www.sendspace.com/file/m6t4kb :) |
| 20:50:14 | Buschel | (= 2.8V) |
| 20:50:55 | gbl08ma | ok, just let me find the iPod>USB cable, download, make a backup of my custom build, copy the files, etc. |
| 20:51:07 | gbl08ma | I'll let you know when I'm done |
| 20:51:12 | Buschel | ok |
| 20:51:52 | zlodey | no |
| 20:52:01 | zlodey | this is the problem i started with |
| 20:52:08 | zlodey | http://www.sendspace.com/file/1gv3hl this one |
| 20:52:19 | zlodey | ohh |
| 20:52:30 | zlodey | and the screen shakes |
| 20:52:41 | Buschel | ok, then 2.8V is the lowest possible voltage... |
| 20:52:42 | zlodey | and goes white |
| 20:53:07 | zlodey | not as white as a paper, but more whiter than mine first problem |
| 20:53:07 | * | Buschel does not like to not have any headroom... |
| 20:53:39 | zlodey | if it foes to sleep, and i touch the wheel, the screen jumps 2-3 times |
| 20:53:48 | zlodey | and then goes grey |
| 20:54:06 | Buschel | zlodey: Can you please enter the iPod's Diagnostic Mode (first press and hold MENU + SELECT until the iPod resets, then −− during the Apple logo −− press and hold BACK + SELECT). In the Diag Mode select "Others", then "Status", then switch to the 2nd page. How are "LCD Detect0" and "LCD Detect1" set? |
| 20:54:14 | zlodey | so i copy the 2.8 V back ? |
| 20:54:32 | Buschel | not needed, this is Apple Diagnostic Mode |
| 20:55:11 | gbl08ma | Buschel: I can't hear any buzz with the build you gave me. |
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| 20:55:31 | Buschel | zlodey: I just want to check the detailed LCD type |
| 20:55:47 | Buschel | gbl08ma: then my ears are still quite good :) |
| 20:55:55 | zlodey | after hitting STATUS i see: hp_detect: 0 |
| 20:55:58 | Buschel | (or my nano is louder) |
| 20:56:04 | zlodey | regn: 0x0013 |
| 20:56:08 | zlodey | and so on |
| 20:56:15 | zlodey | but not LCD detecd |
| 20:56:21 | Buschel | zlodey: enter the second page |
| 20:56:35 | zlodey | ah |
| 20:56:38 | zlodey | here it is |
| 20:56:53 | zlodey | lcd detect0:1 |
| 20:56:58 | zlodey | lcd detect1:0 |
| 20:57:03 | Buschel | same as mine |
| 20:57:05 | gbl08ma | Buschel: that, or my ears are as damaged as yours... I'm now going to switch to my custom build, I miss the piezo sound I have on my custom build... |
| 20:57:30 | Buschel | ok, so I will go for 2.8V for now |
| 20:57:44 | zlodey | me too ? |
| 20:58:06 | CIA-87 | New commit by bluebrother (r29763): Fix SAPI default speed being way too fast. ... |
| 20:58:28 | bluebroth3r | so, all issues I wanted to get done for Rockbox Utility 1.2.9 seem to be fixed now. Anyone want to test / tell me what I've missed? |
| 20:58:50 | Buschel | zlodey: yes, please play with it for a while. I will prepare the change to svn |
| 20:59:21 | Buschel | shall I also submit it to v3.8 branch? might be worth to update the nano2g build |
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| 21:00:46 | gbl08ma | Buschel: BTW, you should get a file hosting with less popups... not even Chrome blocked them... |
| 21:00:54 | zlodey | what exactly 2.8 V is ? |
| 21:00:59 | zlodey | the power it consumes ? |
| 21:01:07 | CIA-87 | r29763 build result: All green |
| 21:01:19 | Buschel | the voltage supply for the LCD |
| 21:01:28 | bluebroth3r | grmbl. Why does the binary still have a wrong revision number? |
| 21:01:35 | zlodey | the less possible, the better, right ? |
| 21:01:45 | Buschel | gbl08ma: any suggestion for a file hosting? |
| 21:02:06 | gbl08ma | no... I might set up one "for the friends" at my server... |
| 21:02:31 | Buschel | zlodey: the nano2g LCD buzzes when the voltage is not lowered. |
| 21:03:24 | zlodey | and a question i have: how much power does FLAC consumes |
| 21:03:25 | zlodey | ? |
| 21:03:29 | zlodey | more than mp3 ? |
| 21:03:30 | gbl08ma | and less voltage also saves some - very little - battery |
| 21:03:43 | zlodey | more than ALAC ? |
| 21:04:49 | zlodey | and if you know, the power that ALAC consumes, more or less than mp3 ? |
| 21:04:52 | Buschel | FLAC is one of the most efficient codecs in terms of CPU usage. of course it is consuming more power from the HDD/Flash compared to lossy codecs |
| 21:06:19 | CIA-87 | New commit by Buschel (r29764): Fix issues with iPod nano 2G displays reported on the forums. The voltage supply seems to be too low for several LCDs. The buzz of the display is ... |
| 21:07:13 | zlodey | what should i say in the topic i created on the site ? |
| 21:07:30 | zlodey | give the link to the .rockbox ? |
| 21:07:35 | gbl08ma | Buschel: is it technically possible to have an option in settings that allows changing of LCD voltage from inside Rockbox? not for public release, just for my own build. |
| 21:08:10 | gbl08ma | zlodey: don't do that. If you want, just say it's solved thanks to the help of Buschel on IRC. |
| 21:08:27 | mshathlonxp | hm |
| 21:08:34 | Buschel | gbl08ma: would you like to share it to others? otherwis you should just patch your build −− like I will |
| 21:08:35 | mshathlonxp | zlodey what ipod do you have? |
| 21:09:00 | CIA-87 | r29764 build result: All green |
| 21:09:28 | gbl08ma | Buschel: I was just asking if it was technically possible :) |
| 21:09:31 | Buschel | zlodey: you can now test the standard builds >r29764. they should work for you as well now |
| 21:09:39 | Buschel | gbl08ma: it is |
| 21:09:41 | Buschel | :) |
| 21:10:20 | gbl08ma | Buschel: Basically we can call pmu_set_voltage at any time, isn't it? |
| 21:10:28 | Buschel | yep |
| 21:10:34 | Buschel | that makes it easy |
| 21:11:04 | mshathlonxp | Buschel flac doesn't much increase power usage for flash memory :> |
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| 21:11:21 | zlodey | i have iPod nano 2g 8 GB |
| 21:11:50 | Buschel | if I would go for lossless I would most likely go for flac. |
| 21:12:05 | Buschel | if I would go for lossy I −− of course −− go for mpc :) |
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| 21:12:26 | mshathlonxp | my ipod video with 32 GB CF card and crappy battery did ~17h with flac and some 15 minutes more with mp3 |
| 21:13:09 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: did you use FS #8668 ? |
| 21:13:40 | mshathlonxp | what's that? |
| 21:14:14 | Buschel | a patch that allows to increase your battery runtime of PP502x when you use low CPU power codecs |
| 21:14:38 | mshathlonxp | and when it was included in current version? |
| 21:14:56 | Buschel | it was not included |
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| 21:15:08 | mshathlonxp | that means I'm not |
| 21:15:33 | mshathlonxp | why it isn't - does it creates some side effects? |
| 21:16:47 | Buschel | yes. it makes the GUI very slow. that's why the patch boosts the CPU during GUI action. this is great (!) for standard usage but makes games hard to use |
| 21:17:19 | mshathlonxp | plugin games? |
| 21:17:27 | Buschel | yes |
| 21:17:30 | CIA-87 | New commit by Buschel (r29765): Port r29764 to v3.8 branch. Fixes iPod nano 2G LCD issues. |
| 21:17:54 | mshathlonxp | if it would be option with ability to turn it on or off would be great :) |
| 21:18:09 | zlodey | <Buschel> zlodey: you can now test the standard builds >r29764. they should work for you as well now |
| 21:18:18 | zlodey | where do i get them ? |
| 21:18:19 | Buschel | I was using svn today to test some stuff. svn gui is so sloooow compared to a build patched with FS #8668... |
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| 21:18:37 | Buschel | zlodey: from www.rockbox.org −− the main site |
| 21:18:59 | pamaury | hum, apparently the fuze+ has two kinds of lcds... |
| 21:19:15 | mshathlonxp | so what does that patch does? |
| 21:19:23 | bertrik | pamaury, annoying |
| 21:19:25 | mshathlonxp | how fast is CPU running when playing something? |
| 21:19:39 | mshathlonxp | and how fast CPU is running when GUI is being used? |
| 21:20:35 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: on a iPod Video the CPU is running at 30 or 80 MHz. in svn the CPU is boosted by codecs (if required) but not for GUI. I guess several plugins also boost the CPU |
| 21:20:40 | pamaury | bertrik: the good point is the OF includes code for both apparrently |
| 21:20:55 | pamaury | (and the method to disciminate, which I've disassemble but not yet tested) |
| 21:21:01 | zlodey | i don't see any ">r29764" on the main site. |
| 21:21:05 | mshathlonxp | so where's the power saving comes from? |
| 21:21:05 | pamaury | ((and which is nighmarish)) |
| 21:21:15 | zlodey | or do i need to seek harder ? |
| 21:21:24 | Buschel | zlodey: all builds from r29764 on |
| 21:22:02 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: from underclocking the CPU to 24 MHz instead of 30 MHz. this saves 1.5mA −− which is quite a lot |
| 21:22:29 | mshathlonxp | and 24 mhz is enough for flac? |
| 21:22:33 | mshathlonxp | or it is boosted anyway? |
| 21:22:38 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: nearly twice as much |
| 21:23:05 | mshathlonxp | and mp3? |
| 21:23:07 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: flac will not boost, except when buffering |
| 21:23:13 | pamaury | bertrik: you worked on sd for amsv2 right ? |
| 21:23:20 | mshathlonxp | damn |
| 21:23:32 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: mp3 is fast on PP502x as it uses the dual core CPU. mp3 is slow on single core |
| 21:23:56 | bertrik | pamaury, yes, but the initial code was mostly done by funman and FlynDice I think |
| 21:24:18 | pamaury | do you have an idea of what could cause the usb to only work correctly when sd is inserted ? |
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| 21:24:27 | pamaury | this could be related to some initializatioin |
| 21:24:31 | mshathlonxp | and why there's problem with games - are the games being boosted and running too fast? |
| 21:24:50 | pamaury | I had a look but I can't see anything related, I guess I would need to try but some advice can help |
| 21:25:57 | bertrik | pamaury, not really |
| 21:26:23 | mshathlonxp | and why there's need to boost CPU during GUI action - because it's too slow @ 24 mhz? |
| 21:26:28 | bertrik | sd also uses dma, perhaps we do something for sd dma that has an effect on usb dma |
| 21:27:14 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: let me try to explain again. the CPU is not boosted for gui action. so, it is running at 24MHz with this patch. this makes the gui extremely hard to use. solution: boost the CPU during gui action. this is done via boosting on button presses and unboost after timeout. -> effect: when playing games or playing around with plugins you normally hit buttons -> you will have alternating boos |
| 21:27:16 | Buschel | t/unboosts |
| 21:27:28 | bertrik | or perhaps we're running into trouble when trying to access an empty sd slot for MSC |
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| 21:27:53 | Buschel | zlodey: btw, many thanks for your time and help! |
| 21:28:11 | pamaury | bertrik: don't think so, the problem is before, even basic control transfers fail |
| 21:28:13 | Buschel | zlodey: the issue could only be solved with your help |
| 21:28:44 | mshathlonxp | sounds interesting |
| 21:29:25 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: the patch brings 5-10% more battery runtime |
| 21:30:08 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: and makes the gui really fast |
| 21:30:20 | zlodey | Buschel: i'm glad to know i could help in some way :) |
| 21:30:22 | mshathlonxp | really fast means what? |
| 21:30:26 | mshathlonxp | what is faster? |
| 21:30:31 | Buschel | I am even using the gui boost on my nano 2g :) |
| 21:30:35 | zlodey | i did one good thing for the humanity :D |
| 21:30:39 | mshathlonxp | scrolling or changing menus? |
| 21:30:40 | Buschel | the gui, list scrolling etc. |
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| 21:32:57 | mshathlonxp | Buschel how do you think, what would happen with battery life of my CF ipod video with rockbox compiled for flash memory - decreased? |
| 21:33:50 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: comparing HDD vs. CF ? |
| 21:33:55 | mshathlonxp | yep |
| 21:34:06 | Buschel | I expect CF to have more runtime |
| 21:34:15 | mshathlonxp | yes, it has more runtime |
| 21:34:18 | Buschel | but not much |
| 21:34:28 | mshathlonxp | but what if rockbox would expect flash memory? |
| 21:34:56 | mshathlonxp | currently the difference for battery runtime playing flac is huge |
| 21:35:57 | mshathlonxp | when rockbox will expect flash, will it keep it turned on? |
| 21:35:58 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: I cannot follow you. Can you try to explain in other words? It seems I am now lost in mixing up flash vs. CF vs. HDD and mp3 vs. flac |
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| 21:36:51 | mshathlonxp | rockbox ipod video port is compiled for HDD, but I have CF card - what would happen with rockbox compiled for flash? |
| 21:37:10 | Buschel | it will not work. |
| 21:37:28 | mshathlonxp | why? |
| 21:37:39 | bertrik | pamaury, I have no other idea, it's very odd |
| 21:38:20 | Buschel | the CF card uses the standard ATA interface and river, not any flash driver |
| 21:38:59 | Buschel | mshathlonxp: does flac has a decreased runtime compared to mp3? |
| 21:39:05 | pamaury | bertrik: ok thanks, I'll try when I have time |
| 21:39:14 | mshathlonxp | does ipod nano 1g uses something special? |
| 21:39:31 | mshathlonxp | Buschel yes, in benchmark about 15 mins :> |
| 21:39:47 | mshathlonxp | with HDD that difference was four and half hours |
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| 21:40:08 | Buschel | 15 min can easily be "noise" ;) |
| 21:40:18 | mshathlonxp | what noise? |
| 21:40:31 | Buschel | precision of the measurement |
| 21:41:22 | mshathlonxp | why measurement wouldn't be imprecise? |
| 21:41:30 | Buschel | with HDD the difference was flac = 4 hours less than mp3? |
| 21:41:37 | mshathlonxp | of course |
| 21:41:47 | Buschel | reasonable |
| 21:42:05 | Buschel | the HDD is sucking *lots* of power if running |
| 21:42:16 | mshathlonxp | but how about measurement? |
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| 21:44:56 | Buschel | the runtime depends on several things: e.g. can a shutdown be triggered by low voltage. the battery voltage might just drop below such critical value because of a higher current consumption by CPU-boost, HDD-spinup, CF-access, backlight, ... |
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| 21:45:47 | mshathlonxp | no backlight during test run :> |
| 21:45:55 | Buschel | but buffering |
| 21:46:37 | mshathlonxp | well, with HDD and flac it did turned off because of buffering |
| 21:46:51 | Buschel | well, let's not overstress this. the 15 min difference is not much −− even if the measurement could be that precise |
| 21:53:07 | bluebroth3r | argh, svn keywords caused the problem in that script :o |
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| 22:20:43 | CIA-87 | New commit by bluebrother (r29766): Correct revision replacement string gotten replaced by svn itself. |
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| 23:02:22 | bertrik | pamaury, maybe you can try to disable use of the uSD slot and see if that makes a difference |
| 23:03:00 | pamaury | nice idea, I'll try :) |
| 23:04:33 | bertrik | undefine HAVE_MULTIDRIVE, set NUM_DRIVES to 1 and undefine HAVE_HOTSWAP, I think |
| 23:05:09 | bertrik | I checked the card detect pin (GPIO A2) and there seems to be nothing special about it |
| 23:05:30 | bertrik | (checked it in the datasheet, I mean) |
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| 23:17:44 | bertrik | TheSeven, I see a lot of functions/variables in storage_ata-ipod6g.c that can be made static, would you mind me changing those? |
| 23:23:03 | TheSeven | which ones are you talking about specifically? |
| 23:23:14 | TheSeven | if it doesn't break things, I certainly won't mind :) |
| 23:23:41 | TheSeven | this might be remnants of emcore's USB debugging interface (from where this file has been forked) |
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| 23:27:40 | bertrik | things like mmc_send_command, mmc_init and ata_rw_chunk_internal |
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| 23:39:20 | CIA-87 | New commit by bertrik (r29767): ipod6g: make functions and variables static where possible |
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