#rockbox 2011-05-02

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#rockbox log for 2011-05-02

00:00:27	kugel	Llorean: I still don't agree with loss of functionality. multimedia buttons to unconditionally control playback adds convinience in my book
00:00:43	Llorean	Convenience as the cost of the ability of a remote like http://www.best-ipod-online.com/images/apple-ipod-remote.jpg to change playlists, ever.
00:01:09	Llorean	So you're willing to sacrifice some users' ability to actually do things at all, so that other users can do it slightly more conveniently
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00:01:30	bluebroth3r	yes, if and only if those buttons can get distinguished from the normal ones
00:01:39	kugel	you need to look onto the screen to interact with playlists, no? in that case you can use the ipod itself
00:01:50	Llorean	With a remote like the one I linked, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to access anything in core Rockbox.
00:01:55	Llorean	kugel: VOICE UI.
00:01:59	Llorean	How many times do I have to say that to you?
00:02:01	Llorean	Or are you just ignoring it?
00:02:22	bluebroth3r	I don't think that's the case though but haven't checked
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00:02:28	kugel	I didn't see it before
00:02:37	Llorean	kugel: That is literally the third time I mentioned it.
00:02:44	kugel	I didn't see it before
00:02:44	Llorean	Not to mention, you know it exists.
00:03:05	Llorean	If I'm in the car, using the controls on my steering wheel, it's vastly safer for me to browse through playlists via the voice UI than to pick up the iPod and look at the screen
00:03:16	Llorean	You want to take that option away entirely in favor of a slight added convenience.
00:03:35	Llorean	Which is "the ability to do things in the menu rather than having to press play first, then do them"
00:03:35	kugel	ok, I see that.
00:03:38	Llorean	It saves one button press
00:03:43	Llorean	Literally, in most cases.
00:03:54	Llorean	Two if we assume they're going to leave the WPS to resume what they're doing after.
00:04:28	Llorean	And in the hypothetical case of the user who doesn't have voice, so will need to get up anyway, they should never leave the WPS in the first place. So your "multimedia buttons" will always do "multimedia things" for that user anyway
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00:04:47	Llorean	So I'm not sure the benefit of having them work in the menu with the remote in the first place.
00:05:06	Llorean	As I said though, I'm all for it if we can distinguish 'minimal' remotes from 'full featured' ones somehow
00:05:44	bluebroth3r	as I said before: such extra buttons are nice if they can be distinguished from the "normal set" of buttons
00:05:55	*	bluebroth3r slow
00:06:49	Llorean	bluebroth3r: The problem is, the normal set of buttons are Play, Next, Prev, Vol+, and Vol- probably. The extras are the "navigation buttons", yet in the presence of such buttons it's the buttons that are always there that we'd want to change.
00:07:01	Llorean	So not just distinguishing the buttons is the problem, but knowing they're present in the first place
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00:14:28	Llorean	I asked this last night but nobody was around.
00:14:37	Llorean	Is there a reason there doesn't seem to be "pause on headphone unplug" on RaaA?
00:14:55	Llorean	Or, RaaA android, specifically
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00:17:10	bluebroth3r	Llorean: well, yes. Basically iap would need to support "play" and "always-play" as saparate buttons
00:19:16	*	bluebroth3r guesses it's simply that nobody implemented headphone detection on Android
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00:20:43	Llorean	bluebroth3r: Ah, I was just wondering if it was that or if there might be a technical reason.
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00:21:04	*	Llorean really enjoys leaving audible running and depending on headphone detection to know when I want to continue listening to my book.
00:22:35	bluebroth3r	I've missed that feature myself already. Too much things to do for the available amount of free time ...
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00:25:30	saratoga_	whats holding up getting Android builds working with the build system?
00:25:32	Llorean	I never really used it much on other MP3 players I've had.
00:25:57	Llorean	I could usually press the button fine, but pausing on android requires unlocking the screen and generally more handling.
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00:27:06	Llorean	Has there been any discussion of how to address the lack of long presses on the widget?
00:27:35	Llorean	Perhaps seek buttons that toggle seek on/off? Or perhaps being able to set a skip length exclusively for use on the widget, so that one can skip forward/back 30 seconds at a time on the widget, but not have to remember to turn that off when using the normal WPS?
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05:49:31	coden	hi
05:50:34	coden	Who can patch Rockbox to save a listen track's position when the player shuts down because of an empty battery, or make it a bookmark at this moment? It should be useful for listening long audiobooks.
05:51:09	coden	Model of player Sansa Clip +
05:51:56	saratoga	that already happens if possible
05:59:00	coden	saratoga, how to adjust
05:59:05	coden	?
05:59:08	saratoga	?
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06:00:45	coden	At me last version Rockbox
06:01:12	coden	There it is impossible
06:03:21	saratoga	did it used to work for you?
06:04:11	coden	Yes
06:09:10	saratoga	you're right, just tried pulling the battery and it doesn't resume
06:09:57	saratoga	although actually thats different then low battery
06:10:05	saratoga	since that should still shutdown and save state
06:10:58	saratoga	not sure how to test that short of running the battery down
06:11:59	Llorean	coden: Do you have 'bookmark on stop' enabled?
06:12:25	coden	Llorean, yes
06:12:36	Llorean	Does it bookmark when you manually stop?
06:13:11	coden	Yes
06:13:49	Llorean	Then the battery may just be dying at a higher level than Rockbox expects it to, so that there's not a chance to write the bookmark.
06:17:13	coden	It is necessary that Rockbox to save a listen track's position when the player shuts down because of an empty battery, or make it a bookmark at this moment
06:17:30	saratoga	if you get the "low battery" shutdown message then it should have made a bookmark if I understand that code correctly
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06:17:54	saratoga	if it just hard powers off, then nothing gets written to storage
06:18:18	coden	saratoga yes
06:18:35	coden	if it just hard powers off, then save
06:18:46	saratoga	well thats not possible
06:18:53	Llorean	Sometimes it doesn't power off, but rather runs out of power while still on. Then it may fail to save.
06:19:10	saratoga	looking at the code it doesn't write the bookmark if the battery is below a certain threshold, that actually might not be needed on flash devices
06:20:08	Llorean	saratoga: Probably not, since there's no spinup needed.
06:22:40	saratoga	ha it writes the scrobbler log regardless
06:22:47	saratoga	so i guess if thats safe, writing out the resume info should be fine too
06:24:20	saratoga	ah no it doesn't
06:24:26	saratoga	i misread
06:29:05	saratoga	i wonder how useful this is though, i thought we shut down before the battery reached critical levels anyway
06:29:22	saratoga	although maybe if your battery is very old they both happen at about the same time
06:30:36	coden	old battery
06:31:10	coden	necessary to trace charge level
06:31:51	coden	And to keep a bookmark before deenergizing
06:33:19	coden	difficult to make it?
06:38:07	coden	Why developers have not provided it
06:39:40	Llorean	They have, but we're having a hard time explaining it to you due to language difficulties.
06:40:10	Llorean	Rockbox already saves playback position when shutting down, unless your battery is too old for it to be able to do it reliably, or unless there is a bug.
06:43:41	coden	understand, thanks
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07:07:05	pixelma	is our forum software not DST aware in the time offset setting?
07:07:29	pixelma	hmm, or maybe there is a location setting
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07:21:19	Peddy	while doing sansaams recovery by bridging two pads, should the sansa logo appear when i plug usb in?
07:21:30	Peddy	i.e., does the sansa logo appear when it's entering recovery mode?
07:29:16	saratoga	Peddy: no, when you bridge the pads, you disable all the sandisk code on the system
07:29:32	saratoga	i've never done it, but i doubt much shows up on the screen
07:33:10	Peddy	saratoga, thank you. i was soldering incorrectly, apparently. heh, I'm repairing an old fuze (its LCD connection is broken) and going to put a 'headless' rockboxed fuze inside a shower radio
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08:10:36	saratoga	B4gder: would it be possible to raise the flyspray file limit from 2MB to 4-5MB so that its easier for people to report files that crash rockbox?
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08:24:17	saratoga	Buschel: maybe close FS #12046?
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08:51:33	JoshuaChang	does it possible to use a very large delay-line array in the dsp.c?
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10:11:23	n1s	has something changed with the sim and gdb, it's not being very friendly
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10:20:27	JoshuaChang	crash?
10:20:49	JoshuaChang	how to reproduce?
10:21:32	n1s	FS #12088
10:23:31	JoshuaChang	Reduce warnings?
10:24:02	n1s	ah, sorry 12065
10:27:25	n1s	gdb is being weird though, it often cannot step through a function or find vars in the context
10:28:29	JoshuaChang	well……i never use gdb......
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10:32:40	JoshuaChang	have tried in d2 simulator, seems no error?
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12:22:30	Peddy	is it possible, on a hardware level, to pause music when headphones are unplugged?
12:24:23	Peddy	is it hardware-dependent?
12:25:50	[Saint]	I should think that depends on the hardware.
12:26:31	Peddy	I think so too (which explains why my Fuze doesn't have the setting, but iPods apparently do). Pity.
12:26:50	[Saint]	Devices that are capable of this already have this setting.
12:27:10	[Saint]	So, if it's missing it either can't be done, or hasn't been done.
12:27:28	[Saint]	which of those two it is, though, I'm unsure.
12:27:29	Peddy	Ah, thanks. Do you have any idea how the hardware physically achieves this?
12:29:19	Peddy	ah, it measures impedence! thanks google, thanks [Saint].
12:33:18	Llorean	[Saint]: not all hardware physically capable has the setting. In some cases it's not enabled yet.
12:34:02	[Saint]	that's kinda what I meant by "or hasn't been done", though...I hope you and I mean the same thing.
12:34:14	Llorean	Oh, yeah
12:34:20	Llorean	Somehow I read right through that without seeing it. Sorry
12:34:21	[Saint]	'twould be pretty sily if it were possible, and the code just sitting there, and it not enabled.
12:34:47	[Saint]	No worries, just making sure we were on the same page.
12:34:53	Llorean	yup
12:49:49	JoshuaChang	compile target error, need help:
12:49:51	JoshuaChang	/usr/local/lib/gcc/arm-elf-eabi/4.4.4/../../../../arm-elf-eabi/bin/ld: /cygdrive
12:49:52	JoshuaChang	/f/rockbox/rb_wdhge/d2p/rockbox.elf section `.iram' will not fit in region `SRAM
12:49:53	JoshuaChang	'
12:49:55	JoshuaChang	/usr/local/lib/gcc/arm-elf-eabi/4.4.4/../../../../arm-elf-eabi/bin/ld: region `S
12:49:56	JoshuaChang	RAM' overflowed by 111424 bytes
12:50:10	JoshuaChang	in simulator build, it's ok
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12:54:22	[Saint]	JoshuaChang: Expand the IRAm to accomodate.
12:54:25	[Saint]	*IRAM
12:55:13	[Saint]	oh, I read that wrong
12:55:20	JoshuaChang	does iramsize related to hardware?
12:55:50	[Saint]	I read it wrong, I read IRAM...no idea what you did to overflow SRAM.
12:56:18	JoshuaChang	i wrote a reverb effect, it's delayline eat about 120000bytes memory
12:56:43	[Saint]	what target is this?
12:56:54	JoshuaChang	cowon d2+
12:59:29	[Saint]	does that still use the TCC780x CPU?
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13:00:38	[Saint]	if I'm right, it should be sufficient to increase the SRAM size in firmware/target/arm/tcc780x/apps.lds
13:02:50	[Saint]	Aha, yes...yes, that should work.
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13:06:24	JoshuaChang	i think the sram was related to hardware?
13:06:24	JoshuaChang	i've searched that the tcc7801 only have 96k onchip sram
13:07:28	JoshuaChang	that's mean, although i have all the sram in hand, i still didn't have enough memory to run the reverb
13:07:28	gevaerts	You can't magically add RAM like that...
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13:08:34	[Saint]	gevaerts: No, I realise that...but I should have looked at the amount it overflowed by.
13:09:15	JoshuaChang	i have deleted the IDATA_ATTR in my struct definition, now it can build, maybe it will affect the speed...
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13:10:14	gevaerts	Well, it won't really affect the speed, since it won't even run with IDATA_ATTR :)
13:11:38	JoshuaChang	what does the iram exactly mean? does it related to chip hardware, or it just occupy the system memory?
13:11:38	n1s	heh, it depends on the cpu but if it has a cache it should be reasonably fine with dram
13:12:00	n1s	iram is usually chip internal sram
13:12:20	n1s	so usually faster although not on all chips
13:13:29	JoshuaChang	well, i don't think my "huge" arrays should run on "high cost" sram
13:15:18	n1s	you should probably buffer_alloc it if you want to get that committed
13:17:29	JoshuaChang	eh...how?
13:17:29	n1s	as 120k is quite a chunk of memory on some targets, see how other things do it
13:17:29	JoshuaChang	i have little experience on c programming
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13:29:34	JoshuaChang	Jesus, the reverb eat 120MHz cpu on d2 targets!
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15:45:32	kugel	n1s: I had gdb weirdness recently with another piece of software
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15:47:31	kugel	JoshuaChang: try plugin_get_buffer()
15:47:56	n1s	yeah, could be entirely unrelated to rb, did you get valgrind to work with the sim?
15:47:58	kugel	although that probably won't give you 120k if it fails to link statically
15:48:20	kugel	n1s: IIRC valgrind doesn't work with our sim unless you pass −−sdl-threads to configure
15:49:09	n1s	ah, i looked in the advanced options but didn't see it
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15:49:56	n1s	the two config interfaces apparenlty don't have the same options, lovely
15:50:13	n1s	i'll try this later
15:52:06	kugel	yea, it's not very consistent
15:52:13	kugel	but configure −−help should have it
15:52:41	n1s	yeah, i juast never thought there were options only on the command line...
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18:30:00	bertrik	Is there any kind of decision on the -Wunused-but-set-variable kind of warnings now?
18:30:54	bertrik	If we decide to accept having this warning enabled for gcc 4.6, maybe we should also enable it for other compilers.
18:32:12	[7]	is there any way to have hidden settings currently? (only shown somewhere in the debug menu / shown nowhere at all, configured by editing config.cfg)
18:33:12	bertrik	No, I don't think so.
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18:36:26	amiconn	Don't we use -Wall ?
18:36:43	amiconn	(and then disable a few specific things)
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18:37:13	amiconn	I thought the unused variable warning was added in 4.6 only, but that doesn't seem to be the case
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18:38:48	sideral	Saint: You're the only other database user in this chat, aren't you? ;)
18:39:17	[Saint]	One of the very few, yes.
18:39:20	[Saint]	Howcome?
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18:39:31	bertrik	sideral, I use the database, but I usually just browse by Album Artist and do nothing other fancy
18:39:44	sideral	Do you guys have any opinion on FS #12054 −− Highlight each album's last-played track in database views?
18:40:18	[Saint]	I was just considering chucking it in my RaaA tree earlier :)
18:40:39	[Saint]	I have no strong opinion about it as yet, having not reviewed it properly.
18:41:17	sideral	Saint: OK, I'd be interested in your review once you've played with it a bit :)
18:41:24	[Saint]	sideral: Am I to understand that this is completely seperate from "Follow Playlist"?
18:41:42	[Saint]	I kinda see it as an extension of that.
18:42:03	sideral	Yes, it is. It's meant for audiobooks, so that the right chapter is selected next time you browse an interrupted audiobook
18:42:54	sideral	but it does its thing for each DB view displaying tracks (typically album views)
18:43:42	sideral	Something to review for you: I wonder whether it should be the default or needs to be more configurable
18:44:29	[Saint]	It needs to be configurable, I'd like to see it integrated with the follow playlist setting.
18:44:50	[Saint]	well, when I say "needs", it obviously means very little ;)
18:45:10	sideral	Follow playlist is an inter-album thing, isn't it? I've never used it so far
18:46:34	[Saint]	I don't have a target handy, so I might miss some things it does, but it drops you back to the dir that playback was launched from in the filebrowser if it's selected.
18:46:58	[Saint]	with the selector at the last played track.
18:47:32	[Saint]	That's why I see the two as being very similar...but, the needn't be joined at the hip.
18:47:37	[Saint]	*they
18:48:03	sideral	Ah, interesting. I need to play with it. Anyway, this feature provides a per-album resume point for browsing, not just one global resume point
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18:49:17	[Saint]	Right, so that is quite different. the fact that it's per album.
18:50:37	[Saint]	Right, yeah...so it's not as similar to Follow Playlist as I suspected. But it should be configurable.
18:51:29	sideral	Globally, or per directory hierarchy, or in tagnavi.config?
18:52:20	[Saint]	Globally IMO, just "on/off, yes/no, whatever"
18:53:55	sideral	You wouldn't mind this feature highlighting the last-played track in a music album?
18:54:48	[Saint]	Not particularly, I don't think the media type has too much effect on its use.
18:55:20	[Saint]	It could be useful for video too if/when the DB can catalogue this also.
18:55:47	*	[Saint] is thinking big :P
18:56:09	sideral	OK, thanks for your comments, and I'm looking forward to any comments you have after playing with it!
18:56:16	sideral	Another DB-related question: Does anyone remember the rationale for DB track resurrection allowing resurrection for tracks that have both been renamed and retagged (in one of their {album,artist,title} tags)? This is causing problems -> FS #12076
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19:42:48	saratoga	is there someway to hide my email on Flyspray?
19:43:15	*	[7] would like to have a power consumption measurement mode, that:
19:43:22	[7]	- removes USB current limits
19:43:33	[7]	- powers down USB data circuitry (OTG/PHY)
19:43:40	[7]	- disables charging (if possible)
19:43:54	sideral	saratoga: I thought it's only shown to users that have logged in
19:43:57	sideral	?
19:44:21	saratoga	yeah, but i'd still rather people who have problems ask in IRC then email me at work
19:45:28	sideral	use your spare-time email address then?
19:45:52	saratoga	well i like getting notification emails in general
19:46:12	sideral	use a forwarding filter at your spare-time email address?
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19:56:54	pixelma	[Saint]: do you use a touchscreen WPS that has fwd or rew touch region actions with your apk? For some reason my WPS even fails to load now and the only thing I did was changing the &fwd/rew to *fwd/rew as suggested
19:58:01	pixelma	hmm... ffwd, need to check if something got lost there
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20:00:03	Horscht	hey, just a quick question: what is the default capacity (in mA) of a Ipod Video 5.5G? It seems Rockbox is set to 300mA by default, which... sounds a bit weak to me
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20:01:19	pixelma	[Saint]: damn, that was it. Sorry for the false alarm
20:02:47	pixelma	(and *rwd but that was correct, just lost one f while deleting the & from the &ffwd ;) )
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20:04:41	Buschel	Horscht: default should be 400 mAh (=30 GB model). the battery capacity of the 60 GB model is 600 mAh
20:05:12	Horscht	60Gb is 5G, but I assume the 80Gb 5.5G would have the same as the 60?
20:05:27	Buschel	yes, 60/80 is the same
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20:06:13	Horscht	ah, it's set to 400 by default
20:06:18	Horscht	so I had to up it to 600
20:06:22	Horscht	thanks Buschel
20:06:36	Buschel	you're welcome
20:06:54	*	gevaerts still has to fix that...
20:06:54	[Saint]	doe sthat setting actually do anything?
20:06:59	Horscht	I had a hard time finding that answer on google
20:07:02	[Saint]	It's just for runtime estimation no?
20:07:11	gevaerts	[Saint]: yes, that's all
20:07:11	Horscht	[Saint], it improves the battery estimation, yes
20:09:48	Horscht	ah, the manual is where it's hidden :D
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20:28:45	pixelma	surprise ;)
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20:36:22	pixelma	[7]: there could still be the hidden horizontal scroll setting that you can only set via cfg file but I don't know if it still exists and how it is called exactly - I believe something with "lrscoll" in it though longer and I'm not sure at all). I actually didn't want to advertise that one because I don't like it though
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20:44:40	[Saint]	pixelma: Isn't that "hidden" .cfg setting exposed if you dump the config through "Manage Settings"?
20:45:25	[Saint]	iirc, that doesn't just list config settings that have changed, but all settings.
20:47:18	pamaury	I'm confused, only one key of the fuze+ seems to wired to a GPIO or I'm missing something :-/
20:49:13	saratoga	maybe they've got some stupid other way of reading pins like on the Fuze
20:49:30	saratoga	where half of them are driven by one of the LCD bus pins
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20:50:04	pamaury	I don't know, I'll have to reverse engineer the OF :(
20:52:52	pixelma	[Saint]: indeed it is. The setting is called... hold_lr_for_scroll_in_lists
20:53:56	bertrik	pamaury, I thought the fuze+ used some touch keys, so I guess you can poll some bitmap from the touch key controller
20:56:09	pamaury	bertrik: the touch keys do not concern the power button and volume up/down
20:56:18	pixelma	defaults to on and IIRC one reason to make it settable was that it interfered with the Ondio buttonmap as this one doesn't have a Select button so uses holding right for context menu (way more important than forcing horizontal scroll) but I also seem to remember that the setting itself also didn't work correctly and so the buttonmap problem was solved differently by assigning a combo for the scrolling
20:57:16	[Saint]	what's the reasoning for hiding it?
20:57:30	[Saint]	it's something I always turn off as I don't see the point.
20:58:01	pixelma	I don't remember
20:58:33	pixelma	as I said, I don't like hidden settings at all
20:58:56	[Saint]	Nor I, especially if no one can remember a good reson for it being this way ;)
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22:05:50	bluebroth3r	woah, \tblhdrstrut? That's really a nonintuitive name for a macro :(
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22:11:34	n1s	[7]: yeah there are settings that are just in the .cfg, like the playlist catalog dir
22:11:42	n1s	and the one pixelma mentioned
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22:12:04	n1s	i don't particularly like this in general
22:13:42	n1s	[7]: i managed to fix the usb on startup hang by making the usb_drv_exit function do things more like the bootrom
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22:17:15	Buschel	jhMikeS: I just had the first issue with playback since the rework (using r29794) -> after ~1h of playback the playback just stopped in the middle of the track. play symbol was still visible in the WPS. play/pause or seek did not get it back to play. after skip the next track started to play normally.
22:17:42	Buschel	jhMikeS: the track which stopped also played fine afterwards
22:18:00	Buschel	jhMikeS: nano 2G
22:19:33	bluebroth3r	n1s: I've had a try on nano2g yesterday evening. The results were mixed.
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22:20:06	bluebroth3r	basically USB on startup was starting correctly but in general it was less stable
22:20:21	bluebroth3r	at least for the connect-disconect-connect-disconnect-... test I did
22:20:34	Buschel	jhMikeS: my experience sound similar to what was reported on the mailing list
22:26:19	[Saint]	bluebroth3r: Snap.
22:26:27	n1s	bluebroth3r: oh, less stable how?
22:26:43	[Saint]	Similar expierence here, plug-in-ou-in-out doesn't pick up the device every time.
22:27:01	[Saint]	it's about 50% fail rate on WIn XP here
22:27:08	n1s	and was that with the v3 patch?
22:27:12	[Saint]	n1s: ^
22:28:02	[Saint]	Yeppers.
22:28:06	n1s	does it hang or just not work?
22:28:19	[Saint]	Just had to check, I grabbed the last from the task but didn't remember a version number.
22:28:35	[Saint]	For me, it just doesn't work.
22:28:46	[Saint]	The device acts as though nothing has happened at all.
22:28:54	[Saint]	It doesn't even seem to want to charge.
22:29:23	[Saint]	If I plug it in once every minute or so, it seems to be a lot more reliable.
22:29:37	[Saint]	Plugging in/out reasonably rapidly causes issues.
22:29:58	bluebroth3r	n1s: works in less cases, and also shows some "missing" output in syslog
22:31:36	n1s	i don't have anything like that, maybe the s5l8700/1 and the s5l8702 are slightly different
22:31:59	Buschel	n1s: shall we close FS #11124 ?
22:32:51	n1s	after it stopped hanging it's worked beautifully, i just did 10 connects and disconnects with no failures :(
22:32:54	n1s	Buschel: sure
22:34:05	Buschel	n1s: done
22:34:25	n1s	i'd still guess on too large blocks or something not handling files larger than 2gb nicely
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22:35:03	n1s	we could support larger blocks on targets with large codec buffers if anyone cared
22:35:21	n1s	but that is certainly a deliberate limitation and no bug
22:36:33	n1s	i guess comparing the usb code from a nano2g bootrom could help...
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22:39:18	Buschel	does anybody here use rockboy on a nano 2G? I would like to check whether FS #10949 is valid or can be closed
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22:45:36	n1s	[7]: did you ever compare classic and nano2g bootroms?
22:45:46	n1s	with regard to usb?
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22:47:52	[7]	yeah, roughly
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22:48:24	n1s	any notable differences?
22:48:27	n1s	it seems my patch made usb connects less reliable on the nano2g
22:48:40	[7]	hm, bad :/
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23:13:04	Buschel	jhMikeS: playback stuck again now
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23:19:36	Buschel	after some seeks, play/pause and skip the nano 2G totally locked up in pause state. I cannot even leave the WPS now.
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