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#rockbox log for 2011-05-03

00:00:21amiconnH300 OF handles files >2 GB just fine (4GB -1 is the fat32 limit)
00:01:43bertrikI vaguely remember size_t being the problem, because it's both used for reporting the size and for a seeking offset within a file (which can be a negative number too)
00:02:27n1samiconn: aha
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00:09:23amiconnbertrik: Exactly, and in several places in the posix file api <0 means error
00:09:41amiconnWhen trying to play a 2.5 GB WAV file, rockbox just skips to the next track
00:09:53bertrikouch :)
00:11:15n1swould just switching over to 64 bit types work or does it need some cleverness?
00:12:05bertrikI guess a 64 bit type would work, but it seems a bit of a waste
00:12:20amiconnYes - we'd just need one extra bit..
00:12:55n1swould a 33 bit type be any cheaper?
00:12:57amiconnWe could only change the signed types to 64 bit and keep the unsigned ones 32 bit - I'm not sure that's a good idea though
00:13:55amiconnWe *might* support other filesystems in the future (if any new target demands that), e.g. exfat (if possible wrt licenses)
00:15:47n1susing 64 bit types for offsetts should mainly be a code size cost
00:17:01bertrikI think the problem just isn't a problem for most users to notice
00:17:46amiconnWe could also move away from posix style
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00:18:54amiconnIf seek direction and error reporting are separate from file offsets, 32 bit offsets would be sufficient, but it would make porting external stuff harder
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00:23:00saratogai don't know how hard it would be to do, but as a compile time option it might be nice to have
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00:48:18sideraljhMikeS: The rewind-on-pause patch, FS #11931, doesn't work quite right since the playback-engine rework. Can you help figuring out why?
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00:52:48CIA-87New commit by pamaury (r29816): fuze+: use mdelay and not udelay in lcd sequences
00:52:57CIA-87New commit by pamaury (r29817): sbtools: generate a unique name for each section ...
00:55:51CIA-87r29816 build result: All green
00:59:31CIA-87r29817 build result: 0 errors, 5 warnings (pamaury committed)
01:00:27[7]hm, jupiter again...
01:01:46*[7] wonders if he should switch to that build setup as well to produce even more yellows :)
01:02:12pamauryat least, those warning are not mine ;)
01:02:57[7]yeah, bertrik is trying to take care of them :)
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01:17:16jhMikeSBuschel: you need to tell me if it happens during a transition (last few second of a track) and exactly what the thread states are when it does happen. I do know of some things that can happen with pcmbuf.
01:21:38jhMikeSsideral: swcodec requires audio_pre_ff_rewind if you want a seek _now_ that removes old pcm
01:22:24sideraljhMikeS: Thanks, I'll try adding that!
01:22:24jhMikeSit used to matter if it was paused or not, but not now
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01:26:58jhMikeSBuschel: Ok (read above again), you said in the middle of a track...still need to know the thread states though.
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02:20:07[Saint]Bwaahahahaha! iLike Nano is at ~11K downloads since the 15th of January this year 0_o
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02:52:22jeplersweet. rebuilt 'dualboot' so that my clip+ boots into rockbox when hooked into USB
02:52:29jepler-> fixing it for car mode
02:53:07*jepler was unsure whether it was OK to build dualboot with 'make CROSS_PREFIX=arm-elf-eabi' .. but it is
02:53:20jepler(before editing I built and saw that dualboot.c was identical)
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03:06:01BovinosHello! Is there any kind sould who could help me with an issue with my Clip+?
03:06:17saratogajepler: could you pastebin your diff?
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03:07:13jeplersaratoga: but it's noisy
03:07:42jeplerthe -#ifdef SANSA_CLIPV2 is for a different device. It's really the -#if defined(SANSA_CLIPPLUS) that is important.
03:07:57jeplerand the rest is changes to generated files that are stored in svn, so they're not too interesting to look at
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06:11:43Peddyis there a tool to decrypt sansa official firmware files?
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06:33:01saratogaPeddy: which player?
06:33:12Peddysaratoga, Fuze v2
06:33:30saratogai don't think they're encrypted
06:33:44saratogabut we do have a tool for dumping it into library blocks
06:33:48Peddyhow would the .bin firmware be... extracted (decompiled?) is it possible?
06:33:53saratogaits in utils/amsinfo
06:34:00Peddythat sounds useful, thank you
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07:10:31saratogawhat is with that seier guy on the tracker, hes been told like a dozen times to stop screwing around with stupid/meaningless bug reports
07:12:36JdGordonwell he does have a small point on that one
07:14:37saratogayeah but hes posted random bug reports that are just complaining about things a half dozen times, and everytime we tell him to come and talk about it on IRC or the mailing list
07:14:48saratogaand instead he just does the same thing over again
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07:15:05saratogaso i'm not really sympathetic that he doesn't seem to be able to get anywhere
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07:17:57Peddysaratoga, i asked about 'decompiling' firmware before - do you know if it's possible to 'extract' images from the OF? e.g., the bootlogo or charging animation
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07:18:31saratogaPeddy: use a hex editor?
07:19:23Peddyso I'd look for the... file headers (don't know English term) of jpg files, for example?
07:19:52saratogai doubt theres jpeg files in there, but thats one thing you could do
07:20:47Peddyokay, thanks. one last thing - when my fuze v2 is powered off, and I plug it in with USB, it boots to OF instead of rockbox. Is there a flag to change this behavior?
07:21:16[Saint]Nope, this is intended. I believe there is a patch on the tracker to enable USB though.
07:21:36[Saint]The OF is booted because (currently) we're using the OF for USB.
07:22:29Peddyah, I see. Well, I'm pleased to report I enabled the USB stack (no patches) and it's rock-solid so far!
07:23:05[Saint]Yes, some people have mixed results with USB ans these devices.
07:23:21[Saint]For some people it is very solid, for others it's not possible to mount at all.
07:23:57JoshuaChangipod classic using the S5L8702 chip, does it still based on a arm940 core?
07:24:38Peddy[Saint], is that on just the clip+, or the fuze v2 too? I don't understand why it would work for some devices, if they're on the same hardware revision
07:25:04[Saint]it's all AMS V2 devices IIUC
07:25:46saratogaJoshuaChang: no IIRC its arm9e
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07:27:41BuscheljhMikeS: you there?
07:27:56JoshuaChangbut arm940 and arm926 have very different efficiency with same frequency
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07:46:31jhMikeSBuschel: about to turn off
07:46:52saratogajhMikeS: FWIW I haven't had any issues on my CLipv1 using the second to last version of the playback rework
07:47:04saratogaput a couple hours on it this weekend
07:47:13saratoganeed to try the latest version but its in my car
07:47:39Buschelmy nano 2G was just again stuck -> you thread states from the "OS stack" debug screen?
07:48:16jhMikeSsaratoga: that's good to hear
07:48:21jhMikeSBuschel: yes
07:48:53Buschelcodec = *R 16 16 11%, audio = T 15 15 57%, buffering = T 15 15 25%
07:49:14jhMikeSBuschel: pcm?
07:49:15saratogadoes anyone understand how Ogg actually works?
07:49:30saratogai'm trying to figure out how to make the decoder skip embedded album art and not getting very far
07:49:57BuscheljhMikeS: I did not write it down :/ I already shut it down as I am on my way to work
07:50:11BuscheljhMikeS: will give you more details the next time
07:50:25jhMikeSBuschel: make sure codec really isn't *R/T
07:50:42Buschelit was not changing at all
07:51:03jhMikeSyou were holding an inert key to make it refresh differently?
07:51:06BuschelI compared it to a working playback where codec showed alternating *R/T
07:51:57jhMikeSthe timing is different now and sometimes it shows just *R if you aren't pressing anything (missing the T state entirely)
07:52:36jhMikeSesp. if just filling and waiting
07:52:43BuschelI had to touch the scrollwheel sometimes to wake up backlight. no change, it kept *R
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07:53:31jhMikeSBuschel: nowhere in the engine should it do that, ever...hmmm. which is why knowing the pcm state is important.
07:53:53BuschelI will write this down next time
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07:55:55jhMikeSwhat about the .config file?
07:56:19Buschelshall I open a bug report and attach it?
07:56:43jhMikeSthe nano 2g's pcm driver is certainly interestingly odd
07:58:21saratogahaha wait just freeing the pages containing the coverart as they're parsed seems to work fine
07:58:31saratogaeven though it lets all sorts of freed pointers keep floating around
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08:00:36saratogahmm maybe not
08:05:06BuscheljhMikeS: FS #12093 -> will add the .config file later today
08:05:08Buschelsee you
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08:11:59Peddywhere should I report a bug in a theme? I have the fix, too
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15:08:28wodz\o/ - I just read MBR successfully from sd on rockchip
15:09:55kugelsaratoga: how does embedded albumart on ogg/vorbis work?
15:12:10n1skugel: the ones i've seen just have a custom vorbis comment field containing a jpeg
15:12:28pamaurywodz: nice
15:12:28kugelas binary data?
15:12:44kugelUnhelpful once said somehting about base64 encoding
15:12:45n1swhich can make the first page or packet (i never remember the term) quite large
15:13:14n1skugel: ah, dunno about that, afaik there's no standard to it so you can probably find all manner of weird things
15:13:37kugelthat means we can cook our own stuff :D
15:14:07pamaurywodz: to compete with you, I can only provide the video data that is played at boot time by the OF :) It's a 240x320 videos with 10 frames !
15:14:48wodzpamaury: -)
15:14:58pamaurythat's rather useless, I admit it
15:15:26pamaurybut at least I reverse engineered 3mb of code in two hours ;)
15:17:16n1skugel: seems you are right and base64 encoding is recommended
15:17:26n1sapparently the smae as flac
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15:37:54preglowany android hackers around?
15:49:56kugelpreglow: here for a bit
15:49:57kugelpreglow: here for a bit
15:53:14Unhelpfuln1s: i'm pretty sure that a raw binary jpeg as a vorbis comment is illegal?
15:53:35Unhelpfulthere isn't a spec for what tags mean but their contents are supposed to be utf-8
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15:53:58n1sah, that's probably true
15:54:17n1si've only come across album art in a few files that don't play
15:55:52n1syeah wikipedia agrees
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15:56:30lineinthesandWhere can I get the tcctool source code?
15:57:03n1slineinthesand: from our svn repo
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15:58:15lineinthesandpamaury: thanks
15:58:52lineinthesandAnother thing: can I compile and run tcctool on linux?
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16:00:58pamauryI think it is meant to be compile and run on linux (or cygwin)
16:02:06lineinthesandOk, thank you. I'm desperately trying to get my new J3 debricked after a failed firmware update… :o(
16:02:12preglowkugel: playback often freezes when i press the power button to wake it up again, known issue?
16:02:20preglowwake the phone up again, that is
16:02:46kugelkind of known, it seems to happen only in HTC firmwares
16:03:05kugelFS #12064
16:03:15pregloweasy enough to resume playback as well, just seek a time or too
16:06:25lineinthesandHey! It works!!
16:06:35kugelpreglow: you can try if that patch help
16:07:13preglowkugel: yeah, i will
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18:05:35webguest58is anyone there
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18:06:17webguest58hi saratoga
18:06:26saratogaabout a hundred people
18:06:36webguest58do you know who I would ask about a c clip+
18:07:14[Saint]that depends what you want to ask about it, assuming it's Rockbox related, just ask the question.
18:07:22[Saint]If someone can answer, they will.
18:09:18webguest58well I have a brocken clip+ It was stuck in a reboot loop an would not get past the sansa logo. I took the unit apart and found the leads to short to get the unit into recovory mode. I now see the unit a s 4gb removeable media. I was able to do the install with the rockbox installer but now the unit will not boot at all. any ideas
18:10:48saratogadid you see this page:
18:11:01saratogaI think your best bet is to try and get it back into recovery mode and then follow those directions
18:11:23webguest58yes that is where i found how to get into recovory mode.
18:11:35saratogadid you follow them?
18:11:39[Saint]Doesn't that assume that one just so happens to have a dd image of the OFW?
18:11:59saratogayeah its unclear to me what happens if you just DD an OF image file patched with rockbox to it
18:12:07saratogado you get rockbox working and no OF, or nothing at all
18:12:18webguest58I get nothing at all
18:12:27saratogawhat did you dd to it?
18:12:27[Saint]RB will work if you dd a patched OF on there.
18:12:32[Saint]but not the OF iiuc
18:12:38webguest58I can plug into a computer and i see it as a gb removable hard drive
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18:13:03webguest58I tried both a of and using a patched of
18:13:21[Saint]Are you actually DDing to the recovery partition, or just the whole FS?
18:13:40webguest58what is DDing?
18:13:59saratogadid you read those instructions :)
18:14:08[Saint]apparently not ;)
18:14:18webguest58yes i did
18:14:32saratogaso when you got to the part where it tells you to dd something, what did you do
18:14:40Torneyou need to actually follow the instructions for how to copy the image on there as well, not just how to get it into recovery mode
18:14:55Tornethe recovery mode is not just something you can use normally
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18:16:39webguest58the drive needed to be formated so I did after that I ran the rock box installer
18:17:05saratogathats not a good idea
18:17:11TorneIt does not need to be formatted
18:17:15[Saint]so, after reading the decided to ignore them completely?
18:17:17TorneIt needs to be accessed using dd, not using explorer
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18:17:28TorneYou can't use any of the normal tools of your operating system to access it.
18:17:37Torneignore them and anything they tell you to do :)
18:17:38webguest58I do not know what the dd was I do not have a linux computer
18:17:41Torneand follow the actual instructions.
18:17:57TorneWell then you ignored the instructions :)
18:18:16Tornethere is a windows version of dd, but it's harder to use because windows's raw device names are hard to infer
18:18:18webguest58guys I am sorry I did the best I could with what i had
18:18:31TorneSure, but don't say you followed the instrutions if you didnt
18:18:35Tornebecause that makes it hard for us to help
18:18:45webguest58again I am sorry
18:18:49TorneYou need to use dd. there's not really a way around it.
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18:19:09[Saint]the best advice at this point, is to get a linux distro LiveCD or a VM
18:19:34Torne is dd for windows
18:19:41Tornebut you will need to be very sure you are using the right device
18:19:46bertrik[Saint], you have both a nano 2g and an accessory, right?
18:19:48saratogaunrelated point: is there some code somewhere to dump the firmware area from inside rockbox?
18:19:48Torneotherwise you may destroy data on youra ctual hard drive.
18:19:56bertrikan ipod accessory I mean
18:20:39[Saint]bertrik: Yes, I have an inline remote.
18:21:47bertrikcan you try ? I likely won't work, but there's a small chance it does.
18:22:13[Saint]Oh, yes...thanks for reminding me. I need to comment on the tracker task for that.
18:22:27bertrikor perhaps you can find out which ADC channel monitors the accessory port
18:22:36[Saint]I did try it, but the remote doesn't function at all in RB
18:24:31[Saint]It's just a simple thing with a volume rocker, play/pause and next/prev/ffwd/rew bottuns...but, I'm pretty sure it's an "accessory" still.
18:25:20bertrikok thanks for trying, there's a lot of things that can make it fail unfortunately, like wrong baudrate calculation, another magic multiplexer that needs to be enabled, stupid bug on my side, etc.
18:25:55bertrik[Saint], does it work in RB with other ipods?
18:26:15Tornemaybe we should make the installer able to handle recovery mode on the ams devices.
18:26:19[Saint]Must be hard to work on, having neither part of the hardware that makes up the equation.
18:27:00[Saint]bertrik: It can't fit any other iPods.
18:27:16[Saint]It's specifically for the N2G
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18:27:48bertrikoh, I thought many ipod models shared at least the wide dock connector, including the nano 2g
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18:28:32[Saint]It does, but this particular thing has the 3.5mm jack connected to the dock connector also, as one unit.
18:28:35Torne[Saint]: if it uses the mic ring on the headphone port then we don't support any of those devices yet
18:28:56Torneon any ipod
18:29:03[Saint]At first glance it looks as if it would fit the Nano1G, but the jack and dock are slightly differently spaced on the 1~2G nanos
18:29:10bertrikTorne, good idea. There are at least three modes known now though AFAIK: 1) normal mode, 2) mode which exposes memory + 30 MB 3) 4 MB mode
18:29:24TheSeven[18:22:34] <bertrik> or perhaps you can find out which ADC channel monitors the accessory port << i might have a look later today
18:29:46webguest58Hey guys thats for pointing me in the correct dircetion. I have downloaded chrysocome. I am not sure what command to type.
18:30:08Tornewebguest58: If you cannot figure it out then don't try, to be honest; you are likely to accidentally destroy your hard drive
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18:30:23Torneit is not in any way logical or intuitive to work out which device is which on windows
18:30:38[Saint]Yes, that software is *dangerous*.
18:30:50[Saint]Not at all for an inexperienced user.
18:31:07webguest58darn I guess I will have to get a live distro
18:31:16TorneIt's not really any safer on linux, incidentally ;)
18:31:18TheSevenyou might want to try hxd or something instead
18:31:29Torneour recovery instructions assume you are already reasonably comfortable with normal unix command line usage ;)
18:31:44Tornelinux's dd is just as dangerous if you identify the device incorrectly
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18:33:51Tornebertrik: i assume that in recovery mode the device is still identifiable by its VID/PID and so on?
18:33:57Torneand there's some reasonably sensible way to tell that it's in recovery mode
18:34:05Torneif so tehre's no problem :)
18:34:30Torneit's "just" a matter of working out what the block device name for it is, and writing the image on there.
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18:51:11bertrik[Saint], if your remote is some kind of resistor-based one, it shouldn't be that hard to get it to work, once we find what ADC it is on
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18:52:33saratogabertrik: in sd_transfer_sectors, if I remove then the += AMS_OF_SIZE, then block 0 is the start of the OF right?
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18:52:52bertrikyes, pretty sure of that
18:53:17bertrikI don't know why the reserved space is twice as big as the OF image size though
18:53:32bertrikmaybe as some kind of backup copy?
18:54:44saratogaaccording to funman, if you don't setup that reserved space, the OF won't boot (although rockbox dual boot still works)
18:54:52saratogawas going to try and dump it to disk and see whats in it
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19:07:00[Saint]I wonder...could we make a plugin that makes a backup of this area of the disk?
19:07:33[Saint]Or an option in RButil perhaps?
19:07:39Tornea plugin yes
19:07:50Tornewell, if you extend pluginapi
19:07:55Tornethere's no raw sector access functions in there atm
19:08:10[Saint]It seems to me that having a backup of the OF image would be a handy thing to have, and iiuc, we can't distribute it.
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20:22:14pixelma[16:02:51] <kugel> kind of known, it seems to happen only in HTC firmwares <- it happens on my phone too, running the stock Sony Ericsson Android. I'm sure I told it already
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20:25:41pixelmabluebrother's patch helps in my case
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21:18:01bluebrotherpixelma: might help if all affected (isn't [Saint] too with a non-HTC phone?) could add a comment to the patch :)
21:18:37bluebrotherbtw, I'd really like to get that patch committed. Is there any better solution for this issue?
21:19:47bluebrotherpreglow: ^^
21:20:05bluebrotherplus I'm convinced it's not a HTC issue at all but a load problem
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21:23:16pixelmaI believe [Saint] has a Samsung phone
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21:24:46bluebrothermaybe I should ask people in the forums if the issue is more widely experienced (and if my patch helps in all cases)
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21:36:03webguest58hi guys i am trying to unbrick my sansa clip+. I have downloaded ubuntu and i am running it from a live cd. I am at the point where i am running the dd but I don't know where to bup the OF "Im a newb"
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21:40:39webguest58you guys where a big help last time I was here I don't think I would be able to do it without you
21:47:53webguest58anyone know how to unbrick a sansa clip+
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22:03:24webguest58hello I'm a new guy and I could use some help with a clip+
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22:29:03CIA-87New commit by Buschel (r29819): Fix even more 'variable set but not used' warnings reported from GCC 4.6.0.
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22:36:59webguest58hi i have a question for someone that knows how to unbrick a clip+
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22:49:35saratogajust ask a question, if someone knows they'll probably answer
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23:29:56sideraljhMikeS: Thanks for your audio_pre_ff_rewind hint last night, that fixed the problem with the rewind-on-pause patch (FS #11931)
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23:37:35*bluebrother has pause on headphone unplug working on Android :)
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23:38:18bluebrotherit lags a bit though.
23:41:28bluebrotherhow often does Rockbox check the headphone state?
23:41:54sideralI thought that typically would be interrupt-driven, not polled?
23:42:18Tornedepends on hardware
23:42:24bluebrotherwell, the application calls headphones_inserted()
23:43:00bluebrotherand either this JNI stuff getting the value is really slow or headphones_inserted() isn't called that often
23:43:28bluebrothersince on unplugging the headphones it takes long enough for the phone to playback around 1 second via speaker until pause kicks in
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