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#rockbox log for 2011-05-08

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00:39:31lovasoaI just posted a small new patch. When creating a new playlist, it prefills the name of the playlist with the name of the folder from which the playlist is created. It's here :
00:43:32lovasoaMaybe I'm a bit silly to expect an answer at 0:43 on the morning.
00:45:17lovasoaI'll try my luck again tomorrow... (Well... Today, but later)
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00:51:47kugelugh, tagtree.c is a buffer_alloc *mess*
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01:30:43JdGordonkugel: really, what were you expecting? you cant want to completly redesign something and not expect things to be dificult to move across :D
01:31:27kugelyea, but when you think you've seen the worst... :)
01:32:35JdGordonconverting skin buffer to a handle+offset base is going to be fun :D
01:32:58kugelor not gonna happen :)
01:33:41kugelthe skin buffer can easily be statically allocated
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01:36:26JdGordonso much for making things dynamically sizeable then
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01:40:56kugelJdGordon: making things dynamic that aren't by now isn't my project
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02:17:30kugelsomeone needs to explain to me what talk_buffer_steal() means
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05:38:17ricemark20my sansa fuze v2 won't boot right
05:41:36ricemark20can I re-install the latest rockbox from the external micro SD card? my usb is dead
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10:08:40lovasoaHi! I posted a new patch, to prefill the playlist name when creating a playlist from a folder. Here it is: . Do you think it's a good idea?
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12:34:10CIA-87New commit by Buschel (r29831): codeclib: Declare several variables static and remove unused variables.
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15:05:30*bertrik wonders about the difference between the RADIO_SCAN_FREQUENCY and RADIO_FREQUENCY method in the rockbox radio api
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15:45:54amiconnkugel: Iirc talk_buffer_steal() is there to tell the voice UI on hwcodec (and maybe lowmem swcodec too if it's implemented the same way these days - don't know) that the buffer containing the voice file (+ room for .talk clips) is gone
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15:47:34amiconnUnlike with bigmem swcodec, hwcodec loads the voice file into the audio buffer. (Re)starting playback, or starting recording etc throws it out again
15:49:56amiconnSince there's only one audio channel possible anyway, this isn't limiting anything more than the hardware already does. Imo it would make sense to use the same method on lowmem swcodec too
15:50:27amiconn(since the other choice is to not have voice at all)
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18:00:36TheSevenn1s: two out of how many nan2g users testing your usb patch did report problems?
18:02:26[Saint]afaik only 2 of us did, and we both had problems.
18:03:16TheSevenok, that means that I'll hopefully able to reproduce that
18:03:26TheSevencan you describe the problems in more detail?
18:03:37TheSevenbe able*
18:04:48[Saint]Sure, I had issues where it wasn't detected by the OS about 50% of the time, and "rapid" plugging hung explorer.
18:05:25[Saint]I didn't find time to test on a linux machine.
18:06:05TheSevenif it wasn't detected, what were the symptoms?
18:06:14TheSevenno device at all?
18:06:23TheSevenor did it just fail to mount?
18:06:30[Saint]Literally nothing, neither the OS nor the iPod was aware of the connection.
18:06:40[Saint]if even didn't charge, which I though was odd.
18:07:08TheSevenbut the ipod didn't lock up completely?
18:07:21TheSevenif it doesn't charge, that means that at least the USB thread is hanging
18:09:14TheSevenhm, works perfectly fine over here
18:09:24TheSevenso maybe applying the same patch to emcore as well fixes it
18:11:23[Saint]Ah...that could well be it.
18:11:40[Saint]I would have been the only one using emCORE out of those that tested probably.
18:11:47[Saint](barring yourself)
18:13:24TheSevenI've built current SVN head with the patch applied to both rockbox and emcore, and can't reproduce any problems
18:14:52[Saint]Hmmm. I might try again later and see if I don't have the same results.
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18:15:42teratazhi is there a way to completely disable OF on clip+? i don't want it ever to boot
18:19:38[Saint]Just use Rockbox, and never boot the OF?
18:19:56[Saint]Booting the OF is a conscious descion on the Clip+ no?
18:20:05u42pit boots if you usb it
18:20:11u42psadly :)
18:20:22[Saint]Ah, right...yes, sorry. No, not at them present point.
18:21:25teratazI take this has not being fixed in RB 3.8.1 right?
18:22:25gevaertsWell no. We're never going to make that sort of changes in point releases...
18:23:08gevaertsEven if the USB issues had been fully resolved
18:23:17*gevaerts doesn't know the exact USB status on AMSv2
18:23:27pamaurynot fully working
18:23:31[Saint]terataz: If you can compile your own build, you can try enabling USb and applying FS #11664
18:23:46[Saint]that's as good as it gets presently iiuc.
18:23:51u42pi was listening to fm radio on my clip+ earlier today and noticed a LOT of inteference from the screen. is that a known problem, is there a fix (apart from switching to a static screen or waiting for it to turn off)?
18:24:00[Saint]and it might not work 100% even then.
18:24:03pamauryI'm rewriting the driver in PIO mode to see if it's better, we never know
18:25:03terataz[Saint]: thanks i'll try recompiling
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18:25:23gevaertsu42p: sounds like FS #12050
18:26:05[Saint], dammit. :)
18:26:17u42pyeah, that's how i noticed it too
18:26:24teratazpamaury: please let every knows it that works
18:26:35gevaertsSo yes, it's known, and no, there's no fix yet
18:26:41u42pi then loaded the plasma(?) plugin and the noise got really bad
18:27:22pamauryterataz: when it's done, I'll add it to the FS task so people can test it
18:27:42gevaertsu42p: that might be interesting. Can you add a note there?
18:28:25u42pgevaerts: is there a bugmenot type account?
18:29:25[Saint]I'm not sure we'd be too happy about that...
18:29:37[Saint]I'm not to sure how strong we are on real name use in the tracker
18:29:40gevaertsu42p: no
18:29:48gevaertsAnd please don't ask for one
18:29:57u42poh god i started "pictureflow" and now my ears bleed. high loud rythmic screeching (data access i guess)
18:30:31u42pthen i will prepare a text later and ask someone here to post it
18:30:57[Saint]there shouldn't be a heck of a lot of disk access during pictureflow really...perhaps it's CPU related?
18:31:10gevaerts[Saint]: we don't care too much about real names of reporters I think
18:31:14[Saint]is it worse when scrolling rapidly?
18:31:41[Saint]gevaerts: Aha, thanks. I wasn't sure about that.
18:32:10u42pi gotta run in a moment
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18:33:27u42pif i go to the main list (where files, database, system etc are) and hold up or down, it will give a quiet pop on each line and then popopppopopopopopop when i reached the end and keep holding
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18:34:47[Saint]that's...odd. I wonder what could cause that? I also wonder if the "popopop" is tied to the button_repeat rate.
18:36:11[Saint]It sound to me like it's more noise from CPU than disk access...especially if plasma.rock really set it off.
18:36:24[Saint]Does it get worse if you "zoom in" on plasma.rock?
18:36:26u42pbooted OF and tried there (no problems). now back in rockbox it got much less
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18:36:38u42pwait, i also took out my sd card
18:37:58u42pput sd card back in, it is worse like before
18:38:06u42pi cannot say if zooming out chances it significantly
18:38:13u42pgotta go, will be back later
18:38:52TheSevenbertrik: looking at your comment in fs#12050 it seems to me that it might be worth a try to play with the i2c bus speed?
18:39:31[Saint]Haven't there been some fairly recent changes to the sd setup on some Sansa devices? I wonder why inserting sd would make it worse.
18:39:38TheSevenand maybe just switch to high impedance instead of pushing, if you're doing bitbanging i2c
18:41:28CIA-87New commit by Buschel (r29833): Use MEM_ALIGN_ATTR and CACHEALIGN_SIZE in oggmalloc to ensure optimal alignment.
18:41:54bertrikWe're doing i2c at about 250 kHz now, should work.
18:42:08bertrikI experimented a bit with high-impedance SDA, but then i2c stopped working
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18:42:19TheSevenso probably no pullups in place?
18:42:34TheSevenso you're doing 250khz bitbanging?
18:43:37TheSevenwhat about switching to high impedance briefly while transitioning from high to low or the other way round?
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18:44:05bertrikthe interference problem on the radio doesn't just appear to be i2c as I thought first, a lot of it seems to be coming from the display too
18:44:37u42pappointment cancelled, i am back alredy, heh
18:45:14u42pam i meant to be able to eject the sd card from the player while rockbox is running (of course not playing a track on it) without problems?
18:45:39TheSevenin theory yes, but I don't know the specifics of that target
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18:47:48bertrikI'm hearing a bit of interference on the OF too if I put my finger on the display, and some when "refreshing your media", but it doesn't seem to be as bad as rockbox
18:50:15u42pwhilst running fm and plasma, i had ejected the sd card before i asked ^ and got a panic. put it back in, turned on, running fm and plasma, now i hear no mentionable interference. only if i eject the sd card (short noise), or put it back in (longer distinct noise)
18:51:07bertrikmy buildclient shows a lot of "Server connection stalled", perhaps it's related to the slow build times
18:51:21u42poh, my headphones are part of the problem!
18:53:06u42pok, this is getting too complicated. i can now hover my arm above the cord and make the noise loud (like earlier) or almost silent. the actual radio signal seems to be unaffected but then i can barely hear it when the noise is loud
18:54:03u42pnow i am confused and have no idea how to make a useful bug comment out of all this
18:56:04CIA-87r29833 build result: All green
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20:49:58CIA-87New commit by bluebrother (r29834): Rockbox Utility: bump version to 1.2.10.
20:51:04CIA-87New commit by bluebrother (r29835): Tag Rockbox Utility 1.2.10 release.
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21:00:53keyb_grbertrik: AFAICS, RADIO_FREQUENCY merely sets frequency while RADIO_SCAN_FREQUENCY checks tuning indication on top of that. As the name indicates, the latter may be helpful in scan tuning.
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21:25:04fmlCan anybody verify FS #12102 - Manual: Fix "Quick Start" section for AMSv2 players ?
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21:34:07CIA-87New commit by bluebrother (r29836): Fix BUILDID getting appended even if not set. ...
21:36:15CIA-87New commit by Buschel (r29837): Minor loop optimization in libfaad's is/ms decoding.
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21:43:55lovasoaHi! Maybe now there will be someone to tell me if my UI improvement patch is interesting... It's here:
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21:48:26CIA-87r29836 build result: 0 errors, 33 warnings (bluebrother committed)
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21:50:44CIA-87New commit by Buschel (r29838): Use CACHEALIGN_SIZE in codec_malloc for optimal alignment.
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21:59:54bluebrotherB4gder: can you move Rockbox Utility 1.2.10 to the download server?
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22:18:37CIA-87New commit by Buschel (r29839): Move implementation of codec_get_buffer() to codec.c, make related variables static.
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22:21:29bertrikamiconn's machine is generating builds with warnings again
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22:23:32saratogawe should probably disable that check for unused variables in plugins at least
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22:35:31CIA-87New commit by bertrik (r29840): More tab fixes
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22:45:39saratogadid my mail to the dev list go through?
22:46:04***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:46:14sideralHaven't seen it yet
22:46:20pamauryneither me
22:47:06saratogai just checked and apparently i haven't been getting mail from the list for a couple weeks
22:48:28sideralsaratoga: You can check out on to see what you've been missing
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22:52:05pixelmathere are also ml archives on
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22:52:47bluebrotherI'm under the impression that something is acting up with the MLs right now −− I'm missing some commit notifications
22:52:55bluebrotherbut perhaps it's also Google Mail
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22:57:00saratogaok i'll assume the email will go through eventually
22:57:10Buschelis it ok to change the doom plugin to fix those gcc 4.6.0 warnings? or is there any merging/updating going on?
22:57:15saratogai was just asking about the status of getting Android into the build system
22:57:33sideralpamaury: have you had any further insights regarding the USB dma-buffer sizing issue (word vs byte count)?
22:57:35saratogai doubt anyone is merging upstream doom changes
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22:58:54pamaurysideral: no, I don't that's an issue actually, I just ran into it because the distinction arises in PIO mode, not in DMA
22:59:21pamauryAnd I've finished the PIO mode code, something is not working, transfers on EP != EP0 just don't work, don't know why
22:59:29pamaury*haven't finished
22:59:49pamaurythe code is here if you want to have a try/look: pamaury/rockbox/commit/ec6f9c943a7512d79db3e1d86bb90baed6b14ade">
23:00:16sideralpamaury: Thanks! I'll have a look, but no promises
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23:06:41CIA-87New commit by Buschel (r29841): Fix a bunch of 'variable set but not used' warnings reported from GCC 4.6.0.
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23:14:27MaynardWaterscan someone remind me how to set an ipod in to usb mode
23:14:35MaynardWatersfor the early color video screen
23:14:42MaynardWatersi think its gen 5
23:15:17MaynardWatersThe Ipod screen says I am in USB kepad mode, but i do not see the library coming up in iTunes
23:15:41bluebroth3rare you on a Mac?
23:16:01MaynardWatersthe drive gets mounted
23:16:06MaynardWatersbut itunes doesnt take over
23:16:13bluebroth3rof course not
23:16:23bluebroth3ryou need to reboot into Apples disk mode
23:16:49MaynardWatersis that menu and the center select? button together?
23:17:21bluebroth3rshut down. Press Select to power up the Ipod, then immediately flip the hold switch on. The manual describes it ;-)
23:17:49MaynardWatersWhen I leave the hold switch on during ipod reboots, it hangs at the apple logo
23:18:11bluebroth3rthen the apple firmware installation is broken.
23:20:23MaynardWatershow would you attempt to reformate this drive?
23:20:46CIA-87r29841 build result: All green
23:20:49saratogaput it in disk mode and then restore it with itunes most likely
23:21:04CIA-87New commit by Buschel (r29842): Remove tabs.
23:21:22MaynardWaterssaratoga, thats what I am trying to do, yet I cant seem to get to a point where Itunes recognizes the ipod
23:21:46saratogacheck the apple docs, they explain how to fix this
23:21:57saratogabut basically you put it into emergency disk mode and then restore with iTunes
23:22:04MaynardWatersgot ya
23:25:00MaynardWatersthanks saratoga, "disk mode" was the perfect thing to google
23:25:36Buscheldoes anybody know why the build has become that slow?
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23:49:40B4gderbluebroth3r: done!
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