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#rockbox log for 2011-05-09

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01:23:53riv-C1-4DHey guys I have a question
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01:33:31saratogano one can answer you if you don't ask it
01:35:15riv-C1-4Dwell I was waiting for someone to make a comment so I knew I wasnt alone
01:35:40riv-C1-4DI have a Nano 2g and the old feture doesnt work is it the build or just a big that I could fix by reinstalling
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02:13:06[Saint]JdGordon: Possible silly question, but needs answering in my mind as I just thought of it and the code boggles me.
02:13:43[Saint]Is an image still %xl'd in a conditional viewport if that condition is untrue?
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02:13:59[Saint]I assume all %xl's are preloaded, but, not 100%
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03:49:31isidor3Which configuration file would I have to modify to let rockbox speak directory and file names?
03:51:48isidor3I'm unable to access the menus on the player, due to a broken screen.
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04:05:11isidor3_Anyone know, or did I just miss 100's of people answering because of a buggy webchat?
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05:46:19JdGordon[Saint]: yes, all %xl images are preloaded
05:46:28JdGordonthe asusmptino is that they will eventually be displayed
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06:27:20*[7] wonders if "Rockbox accepted for GSoC 2011 - Ideas at" in the topic is a bit outdated
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06:35:55Peddywhat does this change in svn: "AMSv2 USB: Write usb_delay() in assembly" do?
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06:52:36JoshuaChangwhy sometimes the cowon d2 boot whitescreen/mess ?
06:53:25JoshuaChangseems it's related to certain binary size?
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07:05:06JdGordonIIRC there is a very finiky timing issue with it
07:08:08saratogaPeddy: replaces the c version of that loop with one written in assembly
07:08:35Peddysaratoga, thanks. so nothing major for the end-user
07:09:15saratogaPeddy: depends if you consider "Ensure no changes when we use different versions of gcc (USB used to panic with gcc 4.6.0)" significant i guess
07:10:01Peddyah, I mean in terms of amsv2 USB performance/connection.
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07:37:03pixelma[7]: I guess it is, and you would have the right to change the topic here IIRC
07:38:09pixelmacould someone please ban sirensfg6 in the forum?
07:39:37[7]pixelma: I'm not exactly sure what to put there instead though... just remove it?
07:40:35pixelmawould be interesting to have a link to the accepted project but I'm not sure if there something up already
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07:42:04JdGordonpixelma: where is the problem posts?
07:42:36[7]also, is "An upgrade caused issues with the wiki. We are on the case" still true?
07:42:41[7]this has been here for months now
07:43:10pixelmaJdGordon: you can still see it in "Recent Posts", if it isn't elsewhere then it probably has already been caught by the akismet plugin
07:45:03pixelma[7]: no idea, probably not in general
07:45:23[7]apparently he submitted one post that doesn't exist any more
07:45:50*[7] heads off to work
07:46:26pixelmawell, it's kind of a buf/feature of this forum plugin that you can still see it here:;start=0
07:46:43pixelmaa bug too
07:53:37bluebrotherB4gder: thanks!
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08:49:24[Saint]JdGordon: Would it make more sense to preload the image only as the condition for it becomes true to keep as much buffer free as possible? Some conditions might never be true for instance, like in cases with targets with the same screen size but different feature sets.
08:49:45[Saint]It might not ever amount to a *massive* amount, but...just a thought.
08:50:01JdGordon1) the skin buffer is static so preloading doent affect anything
08:50:09JdGordon2) that means random disk accesses and lag
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08:50:46[Saint]Ah, right...I forgot about the fact the skin buffer is static. :/
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08:51:04JdGordonbut if it wernt static then sure, we could do that fairly easily
08:51:18JdGordonthe groundwork is there to do it for background images already
08:51:18[Saint]a tiny disk acces, once, when the condition becomes true the first time wouldn'
08:51:28[Saint]t be too bad I imagine.
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08:52:04[Saint]I don't mean to unload it when it's false...just only when it becomes true the first time.
08:52:18[Saint]anyway, static buffer kills that. So, thanks.
08:52:22JdGordoni understand that
08:52:43[Saint]what part?
08:52:58JdGordonnot wanting to unload them
08:53:08JdGordonI might question your sanity occasionally but not then :D
08:53:35[Saint]well if it gets loaded, there's a pretty good chance it'll be used more than once per run I'd imagine?
08:53:57[Saint]but, some conditions for some themes might never become true.
08:54:28JdGordonthen the themer should fix it
08:54:41[Saint]but when they have, it's probably safe to assume they will keep it around in buffer.
08:54:52[Saint]and it's not something a themer needs to fix.
08:55:09JdGordonthe only reason to want to do this is so you could swap in theme elements as required
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10:25:15*[Saint] wonders if there's a problem with using the Grooveshark logo directly:
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10:25:19[Saint]I would assume so.
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11:55:18amiconn[Saint]: Loading images on first use instead of preloading all of them would be a rather bad idea on hdd based targets
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12:27:19kugelamiconn: thanks for your info. I'm still confused because talk_buffer_steal() calls reset_state() which allocs a new buffer
12:29:09kugeland the callers of talk_buffer_steal() do the same
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15:11:44pamaurywow, did you really fixed 95 warnings at once or the build server is not the same ?
15:12:03sideralIt was 95 times the same warning ;)
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16:52:35amiconnsideral: pong
16:54:05sideralHi amiconn, Re the DB guessing the track number from the file name: I've had a look at the code, and my first analysis indicates that we could remove that code without loosing any feature except scrobbling the track number
16:54:39sideralwould you want to test a patch that disables the feature?
16:55:43sideralSorting in DB views w/o track numbers is alphanumerical by default
16:56:44amiconnYou'd only lose that if there is no track number in the tags, right?
16:57:49sideralNot sure of what value scrobbling the track number is anyway. I guess it allows to detect album scrobbles
16:57:59amiconnI would definitely be in favour of such a change. I can test, but not right now
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16:58:37sideralThat has time :) I'll post a patch on FS and give you a heads up
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18:10:10snaqohi. doesn't rockbox support ipod classic 7th generation?
18:11:53kkit|shsupported devices are listed on the front page.
18:13:11[Saint]That's not to say there isn't a port for it, though.
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18:13:35[Saint]It's classed as "unusable", but that's not to say it can't be used...either.
18:14:06[Saint]snaqo: Drop on over to #freemyipod and query there.
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18:14:35[Saint]At the present point, there's no Rockbox bootload, no dual-boot, and installation means wiping the entire device.
18:15:39[Saint]There's also a chance that your OS will have a spaz about connecting to Rockbox over USB.
18:16:04[Saint]...but, all those things considered, there *is* a port ;)
18:19:15snaqowell, thank you, guys
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19:26:41sideralamiconn: When your tracks have no track number, in which order do you expect them to be presented in database views −− in track-title order or in filename order?
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19:42:28evilnick_Bsideral: I'd personally expect filename order. The reason being that if there's no tracknumber tag then it's more likely that artist/title wouldn't be tagged either.
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19:42:50*[Saint] isn't so sure of that, personally.
19:43:08[Saint]I've seen a LOT of files with incredibly warped tags.
19:43:23[Saint]I don't think it's "safe" to expect sanity with metadata
19:43:50[Saint]but I do agree that it should be alphabetical...just not for the reasons that evilnick_B gives ;)
19:44:38[Saint]It seems to be that people either have perfectly sane tags, or wildly messed up ones.
19:44:46sideralI don't think the DB can do good things with untagged files, except for cataloging them as <Untagged>
19:44:47[Saint]there doesn't seem to be much of a middle-ground.
19:45:33sideralSo for useful DB views, I think we can assume that there's a title tag. Otherwise, the user likely uses the file browser
19:46:14sideralRight now, the DB sorts in alphanumeric title order by default if there's no track number
19:47:10sideralBut I guess that alphanumeric filename order would be better. The current track-number guessing actually is an approximation of that
19:48:11sideralthat fails in unexpected and confusing ways ;)
19:49:46sideralWhereas I want it to fail in a totally expected and nonconfusing fashion
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19:51:26sideralSaint: I think it's common for sanely tagged files to miss a track number. Many single-track downloads or podcasts cannot have a useful track number
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20:16:15kugelpamiconn: did you see my other question?
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20:18:29pixelmakugelp: pong?
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20:19:18kugelpyou have android 2.1 don't you ?
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20:19:39pixelmaI do
20:20:56kugelppixelma: can you quickly test if works?
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20:21:30pixelmanot quickly but I'll try to this evening
20:21:50pixelmawhich screen size is it?
20:22:01kugelpI mean the test is quick, just see if it runs and plays music
20:22:34pixelmaok, that's correct
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20:23:30amiconnsideral: I'd expect them to be in the same order as each group of tracks with identical track number, whatever that order is
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20:24:54sideralamiconn: That would be alphanumerically ordered track titles. That would also mean that filename-encoded track numbers would not be reflected in the DB view.
20:25:23sideralWhich may be what some people rely on.
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20:26:51sideralBut I'm relieved, because the patch to implement this consists only of "#if 0"s :)
20:28:09amiconnkugelp: Erm, no?
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20:36:08kugelamiconn: I realize it wasn't a question; but I'm still confused
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20:38:49Buschelkugel: you would better like codec_get_buffer() ? I am not insisting on the function name...
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20:39:08kugelBuschel: yea
20:41:48Buschelhmm, then it has the same name than the codec api function... what about codec_get_buffer_callback()
20:44:59kugelBuschel: which one?
20:46:13Buschelkugel: I propose to rename codeclib_get_buffer() to codec_get_buffer_callback().
20:46:54kugelBuschel: which one?
20:47:36Buschel? in svn there is only one codeclib_get_buffer() declared.
20:48:10kugelyou said "then it has the same name than the codec api function..."
20:50:01kugelah you mean because the other ci functions have a callback suffix?
20:50:28kugelwhat's the point of not making those functions a compile time constant anyway?
20:50:58Buschelgood question...
20:51:17kugelah, I think that's for test_codec
20:51:40Buschellet me see...
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20:53:00BuschelI would like to keep a different name for the funtion ptr in codec_api and the implementation. I chose codeclib_get_buffer(), but I am also fine to rename it
20:53:07kugeloverriding codec_get_buffer in test_codec seems a bit stupid otoh
20:53:36kugelBuschel: why do you want a different name? we don't do this for the other api functions or the plugin api
20:55:54Buschelkugel: the other codec_api functions also use different names for the ptr and the implementation (the _callback suffixes). 1st reason: consistency, 2nd reason: I often search for function names and like to be able to differentiate them
20:57:13kugelI'd actually make codec_get_buffer compile time constant
20:57:27kugeltest_codec doesn't need to, and shouldn't, override it
21:00:32kugelcallback isn't the right suffix IMO, but I don't really care. it shouldn't be prefixed codeclib
21:02:09kugelamiconn: why does talk_buffer_steal() result in a new allocation of the talk buffer?
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21:08:11bertrikpamaury, the yps3 button driver with the protocol I mentioned is at firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/yps3/button-yps3.c
21:08:41bertrikI think it's one of the synaptics protocols, but didn't realise that until after I reverse engineered it
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21:15:23pamaurybertrik: does it follows the mep protocol ?
21:15:23bertrikpamaury, I'm reading the protocol again to check :)
21:16:07pamaurybecause my protocol doesn't seem to match mep over i2c, the so-called "pec byte" doesn't match for example (neither the value nor the computation)
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21:17:21pamauryhmu, the yps3.c code is far too simple, the fuze+ use a *really* *weird* code
21:18:16pamauryI need to check if it matches the radio chip, we never know
21:19:35bertrikthe yps3 button code matches the synaptics 3-wire interface specification, but it only implements receiving data touchpad->cpu
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21:21:14wodzbertrik: ping
21:21:19bertrikhi wodz
21:21:48bertrikpamaury, if it's i2c for the radio, you should see 0x10 or 0x20 as an i2c device address somewhere
21:22:03pamaurythe si4700 reads/write the whole registers at once ? Mine is using 0x40
21:22:08wodzcard not reporting TRAN strikes again
21:22:22wodzbut apart from that transfers work
21:22:23pamauryhum wait, no it's 0x20 because it's shifted one bit
21:22:49bertrikpamaury, yeah, it has a really weird scheme for reading/writing registers
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21:23:12bertrikwriting starts at register 0x02, reading starts at 0x0A, IIRC
21:24:00bertrikso you might see code too to shift the raw radio register data around just before writing, or just after reading
21:24:03pamauryfor example, first command is write {0x25,0x20}, then {0x22,0x86}
21:24:24pamauryit always writes eithe 2 bytes or reads lots of them
21:24:39wodzbertrik: is there other method than SD_SEND_STATUS command to check card state?
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21:25:31bertrikwodz, I don't know
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21:35:25bertrikHi lovasoa
21:35:34lovasoaWould someone please review my 2 lines patch?
21:36:08bertrikwodz, I wonder, don't we get the card status as response to a lot of other commands too? I'll check
21:37:22pamauryI think most sd command send the status back
21:37:51wodzbertrik: we do (at least for SD_SEND_RELATIVE_ADDRESS)
21:38:12evilnick_Blovasoa: I love the idea of that patch
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21:38:26bertrikmaybe the AMS isn't exactly the best example for sd code
21:39:32wodzbertrik: I reviewed all sd implementations in rb tree :-)
21:39:49CIA-87r29846 build result: All green
21:40:09*pamaury thinks AMS isn't exactly best example of XXX code :)
21:40:13lovasoaThank you! I don't think much developers do create playlists from the DAP, but as I can't always access my computer, this patch made me spare a lot of time...
21:40:38[Saint]lovasoa: I think it's a sane choice you've made regarding only filling the playlist when added from a folder.
21:41:01[Saint]though, I think some of the reasons why you came to that descision are possibly a bit of a stretch.
21:41:17[Saint]ie. *never* assume a user wants to do only "sane" things ;)
21:41:40[Saint]I think it's the right choice, though.
21:41:45pamaurylovasoa: I can't say anything about the code but the idea seems sensible, entering text of a dap is a nightmare :D
21:42:41[Saint]the one specific assumption I think is reaching a bit is "If it's generated from a file, the user will want to add other files, and rarely to name the playlist according to the first file in it."
21:42:52[Saint]I can imagine some users wanting one track playlists.
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21:43:20[Saint]and in that case, for it to share the name of said file.
21:44:44[Saint]In saying that though, I do believe it's "sane" to prefile the playlist name iff it's generated from a folder.
21:45:51lovasoaMaybe *sometimes* an user will want to create a 1 file playlist. But in most cases, the playlist will contain other files. And as this patch is here to make the user save time...
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21:46:30[Saint]Yes, like I said. I believe it's the right descision. Though I don't think all the reasons why you came to it necessarily hold true.
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21:48:50lovasoaBut not having too much code is also a good reason!!!
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22:01:55lovasoaSo, if it's a good idea, can you please commit this patch?
22:03:00[Saint]lovasoa: Perhaps raise it on the dev mailing list.
22:03:19[Saint]make a note of the positive reception it's recieved on IRC.
22:04:10*pamaury found another i2c synaptics protocol that could match: RMI
22:05:25*kugel is slightly worried about the cache usage of tree.c in tagtree.c
22:06:00pamaurykugel: what is the problem ?
22:07:40kugeltree.c is the "parent" of filetree.c and tagtree.c. tree_context has a cache. filetree uses it for struct entrys, tagtree uses it for struct tagentrys. but tree.c also uses it for struct entrys and I think it does so even when they're actually tagentrys
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22:09:00pamaurythat recalls me of really weird casting I found in tagtree.c (and corrected)
22:09:17kugelI'd be less worrid if those were at least compatible structs, but they really aren't
22:10:17*pamaury definitely thinks that RMI protocol over i2c could match the fuze+ code
22:11:14kugelah sure...tree.c just regularly checks for (*dirfilter == ID3DB)...
22:12:35pamaurykugel: it seems that on each of you gsoc you have to fix nasty code :D
22:12:55kugelthere probably should be some tree api
22:13:30BuscheljhMikeS: you there?
22:13:55[Saint]fix some/add some...that's the way it goes ;)
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22:16:07jhMikeSBuschel: yes
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22:17:02BuscheljhMikeS: your latest patch works very well for me. no more issues since I am using it.
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22:17:48BuscheljhMikeS: do you want to find a smarter fix? or would you submit it to fix the playback in svn?
22:18:10jhMikeScool. You're right in your comment though about just submitting...other development on more correct implementation can wait
22:18:47lovasoa[Saint]: I have to suscribe to the ML to be able to post to it. MUST I really do so?
22:19:04Panasonichello rockbox channel
22:19:17[Saint]lovasoa: No, but...if you intend to keep contributing, it would pay to.
22:19:28[Saint]It would also help your chances of seeing it committed.
22:19:35[Saint]as not everyone hangs out in IRC
22:20:23BuscheljhMikeS: perfect :o) just let me know if there is another patch to test, I'll be happy to support
22:20:27lovasoaBut that are really 2 lines of code!
22:20:29linuxstblovasoa: If you want to post, then yes, you must subscribe. But you can set your preferences to not receive any emails IIRC.
22:20:47[Saint]lovasoa: 2 lines, 200 lines...doesn't matter.
22:21:08pamaurybertrik: what is the difference between i2c_read and i2c_readmem ?
22:21:11gevaertslovasoa: it's a change in behaviour. That's more important than how big the thingis
22:21:15[Saint]people still need to be gven ample time and opportunity to either object, or review it.
22:21:24jhMikeSBuschel: in that moving of that codec_get_buffer, was that really correct to remove the signed comparision and use the unsigned parameter?
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22:22:45bertrikpamaury, I don't know. It could be i2c_read just does raw read and i2c_readmem first writes the address to read from, then does a read
22:23:04lovasoa"a change in behaviour" ?! 10 poor characters preffilled in a textfied that apparently noone never uses...
22:23:47Panasonici am interested in bringing Rockbox to a Sony NWZ-A845
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22:25:00gevaertslovasoa: well, it's up to you, but I think that if you bring this up on the mailing list it will be committed in a few days, while if you don't it may be a while before someone cares about it *and* feels confident enough that there's no objection
22:25:12linuxstbPanasonic: is the place to start
22:25:38Panasonici downloaded a service manual and som cpu docs and bought a new notebook
22:26:08linuxstbWhich CPU is it?
22:26:38PanasonicEMMA mobile 1-D with 64 MB RAM on chip
22:27:28BuscheljhMikeS: damn, I have overseen the double-s :/ why isn't the compiler complaining?
22:27:49Panasonicbut do i need to scan the board
22:28:44jhMikeSBuschel: I suppose it's not "wrong" to use <= 0 on an unsigned since it can be true, but not always
22:30:03Buschelyep, compiler complains if I compare "(*size < 0)"
22:30:06linuxstbPanasonic: You need to try and identify all the major components on the board. Normally you can't do that immediately, so we recommend scanning it and posting the scans on our wiki so others can help.
22:34:18CIA-87New commit by alle (r29847): Manual: add metadata section (FS #12090 by Andree Buschmann with slight modifications by me)
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22:36:21bertrikCan someone test an ipod accessory patch? I plan to write support for iap large packets, but want to make sure I don't break iap with normal size packets.
22:38:41CIA-87r29847 build result: All green
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22:41:30fmlBuschel: Hello. I hope you wouldn't object to the modifications I made to your patch.
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22:43:31Buschelfml: I did not recognize any changes at a first glance. so, they must be minor ;)
22:43:38CIA-87New commit by Buschel (r29848): Use signed variable to check available buffer size.
22:44:07Buschelthing is: I was not finished with the patch...
22:44:11fmlI just pulled the commas out of \fname and removed the \newpage
22:44:52fmlBuschel: he-he. But that's the manual: the more the better ;-)
22:45:02Buschelbut nevermind, I will create a new patch for the next steps :)
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22:56:48lovasoaI just posted on the mailing list
22:57:08lovasoaI hope I will get an answer...
22:58:43evilnick_Blovasoa: Is that your first message to the list?
23:00:06evilnick_Blovasoa: Never mind - I was under the impression that it might have to be approved before it gets sent round, but according to: it should be fine
23:00:22lovasoaYes it was
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23:19:16CIA-87New commit by jethead71 (r29849): Provide a reasonable fix for FS #12093 - Playback hanging after codec/playback rework. Also, get rid of an impossible buffering case (BUF_USED is ...
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23:52:08CIA-87New commit by Blue_Dude (r29850): Fix whitespace and some comment typos

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