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#rockbox log for 2011-05-14

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00:28:52CIA-16New commit by sideral (r29876): FS #11931 part 2: Allow a short rewind when playback is paused. Patch ...
00:28:57CIA-16New commit by sideral (r29877): Manual changes for rewind on pause. (Fixed a few typos while we are ...
00:34:42CIA-16r29876 build result: 75 errors, 0 warnings (sideral committed)
00:37:07pamaurynice score!
00:37:09linuxstbwtachi: Hi!
00:38:02sideralpamaury: 75 is kinda lame
00:38:32sideralstupid mistake, I should have catched that
00:39:37CIA-16r29877 build result: 75 errors, 2 warnings (sideral committed)
00:40:20wtachilinuxstb: hi
00:41:23keyb_grNews from the radio front - seems like radio on c200v1 behaves the same in OF, e.g. not good for high deviation. I think I also know why...
00:41:52linuxstbwtachi: How are things going? Do you have time to start thinking about your project yet?
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00:43:38wtachiI haven't done much since my last exam Wednesday
00:44:01wtachiI'm going to post a summary of my project to the ML tonight
00:45:41keyb_gr...That LV24020LP chip seems to have fairly tight IF bandwidth (limited by low-IF design @110 kHz) and no apparent signs of deviation compression. It'll never be great at handling loud FM stations, though probably ~OK for .de..
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00:50:03linuxstbwtachi: OK, good. I have had some thoughts about it, but will wait to see what you post to the ML, and reply there.
00:51:18CIA-16New commit by sideral (r29878): mpegplayer: Adapt to new pause_rewind setting and apply it for all ...
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00:54:52CIA-16r29878 build result: 0 errors, 2 warnings (sideral committed)
00:59:39sideralamiconn: Using gcc 4.6 on the build client for an SDL build?
01:01:22*sideral disclaims responsibility for this -Wunused-but-set-variable warning
01:01:57pamauryappare nt
01:02:05pamauryapparently Buschel did not succeed
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01:20:30jhMikeSpause rewind is replacing HP rewind?
01:21:01jhMikeSnvm, now saw commit message :P
01:21:31kugelsideral: your commit only works on the wps?
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01:23:11jhMikeSa middle control layer needs to exist that everything uses if we want things to work everywhere
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01:24:26sideralkugel: no, pause of rewind works for every pause invocation
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01:25:11kugelsideral: I mean if you unpause in the wps
01:25:58sideralkugel: That shouldn't matter, as the rewind is applied on pause, not on unpause
01:26:59kugelthen if the pause happens if you're in the wps :)
01:27:45xbhyaI'm trying to unbrick a v2 sansa clip following the wiki. I've managed to get recovery mode working, and now I'm on a step where I'm to "write the whole OF-Image onto the hidden part of the NAND flash." Where would I get this OF-Image? assuming that stands for original firmware?
01:28:13sideralkugel: Maybe I misunderstand, but that shouldn't matter. Maybe rephrase the question?
01:28:21xbhyafeels like maybe I should've dumped an image of something before I hit it with rockbox utility and bricked it
01:28:32xbhyaI never did that.
01:28:56kugelsideral: the code for rewinding is in wps.c, so I'd expect it's only executed when you currently are in the wps
01:32:03jhMikeSxbhya: they should be available at SanDisk as firmware updates
01:32:39sideralah, now I understand. No, it's also called from elsewhere, misc.c (headphone unplug) for example. wps.c is where the pause/fade/rewind code happened to land after having been factored out from four different places
01:33:31sideralThe refactoring happened in r29844
01:33:32namnufxbhya: are you sure it's bricked? let the battery discharge completely before doing things you could regret
01:34:01jhMikeSsideral: several things don't work outside the WPS anyway right now, like the fade on stop/pause, cuesheets, etc. there is playback control in plugins.
01:34:42xbhyareasonably sure, it's been unresponsive for about a month (already desoldered one of the leads on the battery, think it's too late anyway).
01:36:31sideralarguably, misc.c would have been a better place for [un]pause_action
01:37:03sideraljhMikeS: aha, didn't realize that
01:42:28kugelsideral: oh well
01:42:49kugelI don't think wps.c is the right place for this but well
01:49:40xbhyaw00t it's alive! Think I'm gonna tape the battery lead down and try this rockbox install again.
01:49:50sideralkugel: then let's move it. any better suggestion than misc.c?
01:51:59sideral(Need to go offline now. I'll check the logs.)
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02:24:58CIA-16New commit by rmenes (r29879): Disktidy: New default files and folders for disktidy.config; ...
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10:25:38bertrikstaring at it until it makes sense :)
10:36:13Buscheldoes anybody have sample files for .sap, .nsf and .spc that could be attached or linked to FS #12133 ? I would like to test the patch and have no files available.
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10:41:40Unhelpfulhaving the source doesn't mean you understand the algorithm... and maybe, for some reason, say licensing, you'd like to reimplement rather than reuse.
10:43:21*Buschel just saw there came up new GCC warnings...
10:43:30Buschelthis is like whack-a-mole
10:47:49amiconnGcc 4.7 will probably again introduce new warnings etc...
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10:57:49bertrikis the new warning part of -Wall or something like that?
10:58:55n1sbertrik: think so
10:59:13n1samiconn: usually, new warnings are a good thing though
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11:12:26Buschelnew warnings are fine, but it is hard to fix all of them if only few build machines use the new GCC.
11:12:47Buschelespecially as they are building other versions each time
11:13:38[Saint]Possibly silly question...but why aren't the build machines all using the same packages?
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11:13:56[Saint]surely that would help curb things like this.
11:14:05[Saint]Or at least remove the surprise factor.
11:17:18bertrik[Saint], for the hardware target we do indeed use a specific version of gcc, for the sims we just use whatever gcc happens to be installed on the particular machine
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11:29:38AlexP[Saint]: Not all distros update packages at exactly the same time, and not everyone updates their distros at exactly the same time
11:30:03AlexPForcing a specific distro and a specific update schedule for Rockbox build clients would be too onerous
11:30:36[Saint]Can builds be sent specificaly to machines that meet <X> set of requirements?
11:31:15AlexPPossibly, but not much point for things like this
11:31:31AlexPYou cut down the number of machines that can do it, and only delay the issue anyway
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11:48:04bertrikI would have liked a more conscious decision about what warnings we enable and disable.
11:48:24bertrikThe build clients with the newer gcc make our build warning system less useful.
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12:24:51pixelmabertrik: why does it make it less useful? I suppose the warnings are there for a good reason and give reason to cleanup the code in question, no?
12:25:53bertrikpixelma, I would have like a good discussion about it, instead of basically enabling new warnings and let other people deal with them.
12:26:23bertrikIf i commit something and the build system suddenly throws errors, I have to double-check they weren't because of my commit
12:26:58pixelmanothing against that, I just didn't understand the less useful statement
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13:06:14kugel_bertrik: this warning was enabled automatically, no?
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14:25:54*Buschel found some sample files for .sap, .spc and -nsf
14:26:44Buschelusing IRAM on PP502x speeds up nsf by ~95%, sap by ~10% and spc by ~5%
14:27:55Buschelthe speed up should be more on Coldfire CPUs
14:27:58Buschelnsf is far from realtime, the sample I use requires ~880 MHz = 1/11 realtime capability
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16:08:24cambunctiousMy theme, Grooveshark was removed for using the Grooveshark logo. I have been given permission from Grooveshark to use their logo.
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16:12:45gevaertscambunctious: did they agree to terms compatible with the CC BY-SA license?
16:14:18cambunctiousHonestly, I'm not sure how that works. I sent them an email asking for permission and they said it was okay.
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16:14:56gevaertsHave a look at
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16:16:13cambunctiousI have seen that page. What do I need to do next?
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16:18:21gevaertsWell, the main point is that the license we want for themes on our theme site (CC BY-SA) allows other people to distribute modified versions
16:19:29gevaertsAnd that's often not what people intende when they say "Oh, sure, you can use our logo"
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16:21:55cambunctiousOkay. Should I direct Grooveshark support to that page? Should I include anything in the theme, such as the .cfg file, about copyright?
16:23:39gevaertsAdding comments in the .cfg file that clarify these things is always good.
16:24:01gevaertsAnd yes, if they agree to those explicit terms, you're definitely fine
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17:05:21bluebroth3rkugelp: pong
17:05:47bluebroth3rkugelp: I guess you want me to test FS #12064?
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17:21:37kugelpbluebroth3r: yes, however it seems to cause playback stops here
17:23:01pixelmakugelp: was any of this included in the build you gave me to test
17:23:09kugelpbluebroth3r: however, I have another patch which is a slightly bigger rework and it seems to work better
17:23:14kugelppixelma: no
17:23:51kugelpthat build was to test if r29865 doesn't break 2.1
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17:43:18bluebroth3rkugel: the v2 patch makes the situation worse for me (compared to v1). Just commented on FS
17:43:40bluebroth3rand that pastie doesn't apply cleanly :o
17:46:08kugelbluebroth3r: this one?
17:46:12kugelv2 doesn't work well yes
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17:48:19bluebroth3rstill 2 failed hunks.
17:48:46kugelit's against latest svn
17:50:32kugelI'll try uploading the patch file to flypray
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17:53:44bluebroth3rhmm, just finished merging the patch manually :o
17:54:13kugelbluebroth3r: I also think the problem is more with the callback
17:54:37kugelit fails horribly for big buffers but small refill buffers which I also tried
17:55:08kugelv3 makes the callback have less code so perhaps it improves things
17:56:10kugel(I tried refilling by 8K when the buffer is at 24K which caused frequent drop outs)
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17:57:04bluebroth3rkugel: as I said in the FS comments, I also think that refilling more often makes the problem worse
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18:01:15kugelbluebroth3r: I identified that a buffer underrun happens. android tries to "restart" the stream, but I don't know how it restarts or whether we can do something to help it
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18:07:37kugelbluebroth3r: does the patch on FS apply?
18:09:20bluebroth3rkugel: yes, but is that patch complete? It makes playback completely unusable for me
18:09:54kugelshould be
18:10:00kugelI'm not entirely sure though
18:10:27kugelthe patch refills when getMinBufferSize() is reached
18:10:41kugel(or higher)
18:11:34kugelwhat do you mean by "completely unusable"?
18:11:39bluebroth3rwell, with taht patch playback stops after like half a second. In normal use :(
18:12:18kugeldoes logcat tell anything?
18:13:35bluebroth3rhaven't checked
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18:25:59kugelbluebroth3r: well, you can try increasing the buffers in my patch more but it should work better as svn theory
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19:30:36[Saint]kugel: Tried the audio-dropout patch on flyspray.
19:30:46[Saint]Playback is totally broken with it unfortunately.
19:31:11[Saint]"totally broken" == playback for approximately 2 seconds, then, nothing.
19:31:51[Saint]the progressbar indicates that playback is still happening, but there's no audio until stopping/restarting the service.
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19:39:37kugelit works perfectly on my device
19:40:01kugel2s indicates another underrun I guess
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20:43:38Buschelanyone with a Coldfire target here who could test FS #12133 ?
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20:55:16jhMikeSBuschel: got two. what would you like checked?
20:55:26saratogaban ross2joe
20:59:26BuscheljhMikeS: can you test a) compilation ofthe three codecs and b) make a speed comparison for a .sap, a .nsf and a .spc file?
20:59:41BuscheljhMikeS: I could provide files if required
21:00:14jhMikeSthat'll work since I don't have all of those handy
21:01:23BuscheljhMikeS: I just attached the files to FS #12133
21:02:06saratogaBuschel: did you attach the right patch?
21:02:07jhMikeSI'll just check MCF5249 because it had the compilation problems, for performance I expect similar to 5250
21:05:39BuscheljhMikeS: MCF5250 might see more performance gain as it has larger IRAM.
21:06:32jhMikeSthe patch you had didn't seem to check which CPU was being compiled for
21:07:07jhMikeSthen the next one is a manual patch :)
21:08:06*jhMikeS repeats saratoga's question
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21:11:29Buschelsorry, back again
21:11:45Buschelhehe, wrong patch :)
21:12:22Buschelnow the right one is attached
21:15:58saratogaweird that the nano2g is so much faster then PP
21:16:16saratogaprobably a lot of single loads somewhere
21:17:14Buschelyes, I also wondered about this. especially as the RAM is much slower on the nano
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21:23:01jhMikeSbah, test_codec really needs to be interruptible
21:23:19Buschelthe nsf file? ;)
21:23:51jhMikeSno, I hit navi twice in a row and in start another benchmark :)
21:23:56jhMikeS*it started
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21:24:31jhMikeSdid you want it compared boosted?
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21:24:44BuscheljhMikeS: yes
21:24:56Buschelthe standard way
21:32:29bertrikCan someone test an IAP patch and verify that iap still works as before with the patch?
21:32:31jhMikeSwtf, NSF is really _slow_ indeed
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21:33:35bertrikThis iap patch updates the de-framing code, to add support for large packets (> 255 bytes):
21:33:55BuscheljhMikeS: yes, I was surprised as well. I should add a remark to the manual. I cannot imagine there is a target that plays this format in realtime
21:34:02jhMikeSthe beast spoils the GME enthusiast :)
21:34:35jhMikeSyeah, the gigabeat S does it np at all
21:34:51amiconnBuschel: Be careful wrt PP speedups. PP5020 and PP5020 oftem perform different due to the IRAM access flaw on the latter
21:35:05amiconnPP5002 is yet again different of course
21:35:34jhMikeSyou mean PP5020/PP5022, right? :)
21:35:35amiconnErr, I mean PP5022 and PP5020 in my first statement
21:36:04jhMikeSwoo hoo, 8.08% realtime lol
21:36:45jhMikeSyou sure this isn't just a snafu with the way it uses set_elapsed?
21:37:37jhMikeSit uses it to mark tracks, not time
21:38:58jhMikeSthe .nsf seems to actually play
21:39:22Buschelamiconn: you have any PP5020 or PP5002 device to test?
21:39:56*amiconn has all PP flavours available
21:41:24*jhMikeS is only seeing 12-15% boost actually playing the .nsf
21:41:42amiconnActually 2 devices for each of PP5002, PP5020 and PP5022
21:42:30BuscheljhMikeS: oops, you're right. maybe I'll fix this as well
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22:09:51CIA-16New commit by rasher (r29880): Remove a tab character from the bulgarian translation
22:13:46CIA-16r29880 build result: All green
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22:38:01BuscheljhMikeS: any numbers?
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22:39:01jhMikeSgetting there
22:39:25jhMikeSI had an interruption but I'm almost done
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22:39:44jhMikeS.spc looks like it suffers quite badly
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22:53:40jhMikeSBuschel: posted results
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22:53:56saratogahow does IRAM make CF slower?
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22:55:48jhMikeSmaybe he shuffled it around to different resouces?
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22:56:07jhMikeSIt's bugging me too but there it is.
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23:01:34rasherHm, the French translation uses a ’ (right quote, codepoint u2019) in a single location, but ' (regular ascii apostrophe) everywhere else. This seems like a bad idea
23:01:47rasherNot present in a bunch of fonts
23:01:48BuscheljhMikeS: interesting. I have an idea...
23:07:01BuscheljhMikeS: I had disabled ICODE for MCF5250. Can retest nsf and spc with this one -> ?
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23:11:13jhMikeSBuschel: will do
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23:30:01saratogaits really amazing how much work we've done for PP over the years
23:31:00saratogasince i did the WMA port all those years ago, WMA and vorbis have both gone from ~190% realtime to ~320%
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23:32:49saratogaAPE, MPC improved even more, AAC almost as much
23:33:14saratogaMP3 is through the roof if you count the dual core stuff
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23:43:26BuscheljhMikeS: thanks for the new results. looks good now. :)
23:45:47BuscheljhMikeS: btw, you don't have time for a quick test of FS #12115 ? ;)
23:46:39jhMikeSI don't know. I had to clean up a dog accident while doing the last one...:P We'll see what happens this time.
23:47:26jhMikeSwhile test file?
23:49:52BuschelI have just attached a test file
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