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#rockbox log for 2011-05-22

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01:49:30rigelhi, i am trying to rockboxify an old ipod color that i found while i was moving
01:49:39rigelbut it's not recognized as an ipod by ipodpatcher
01:50:23rigelit initially was formatted hfsplus, so i reformatted that partition as fat32
01:50:36rigelbecause i couldnt get the .rockbox dir on there otherwise
01:52:39EspreonDid you allow it to be used as an hdd in iTunes?
01:52:48rigeli dont have a mac
01:53:00rigeli cant do anything with it that requires one
01:54:25rigelthats why i just formatted it, the rockbox manual suggests finding a mac, and changing it there
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01:59:56gevaertsrigel: how did you reformat?
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02:00:44gevaertsRight. That's probably not sufficient
02:00:53gevaertsHave a look at
02:01:36gevaertsDoes the rockbox manual really suggest finding a mac? That probably wouldn't be helpful at all
02:02:44rigelthe color 20gb is the 4th gen right?
02:03:25rigeloh, maybe i'm conflating the manual with the other stuff ive been reading like ubuntu forums
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02:05:14gevaertsI suspect for mbr purposes that's the right one, yes
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02:11:28rigelso the mbr is on partition 3?
02:11:36rigelthat doesnt make a whole lot of sense
02:13:23gevaertsuh, no
02:13:54rigelpart c of the manual conversion is not very clear
02:14:04rigelit says of=/dev/diskN
02:14:17rigeli'm used to sdXY
02:14:29gevaertsRight. That page is written from an OSX perspective where device names are concerned
02:14:36rigelthats silly
02:14:54gevaertsOSX is the main system where people actually have this problem
02:15:01gevaertsHave a look at as well
02:18:23rigelyeah, im not sure which ipsw to download now
02:18:41rigelbecause the "find which firmware you need" function isnt working
02:20:43gevaertsWell, if it's a 20GB Color, I'd recommend Color firmware
02:21:56rigelthere are two of them though
02:22:30gevaertsAs far as I know they'll both work
02:22:30rigel4g photo/colot (11/1.2.1) and 4g photo/color (5/1.2.1)
02:22:50gevaertsThat's the case for mini and video anyway
02:23:56TorneThe one with a higher number is a later version. THey both work.
02:24:04*S_a_i_n_t may have missed something, but a mac shouldn't be needed.
02:24:09TorneThat's one of the few models that apple actually updated
02:24:21S_a_i_n_tA windows system with iTunes should say "Can't use this, it's a macpod, format it"
02:25:29S_a_i_n_tpissing around with manual restore is a big PITA if you can avoid it with iTunes easily
02:28:56rigeli dont have a windows system either
02:29:07rigelso theres that
02:29:16rigeli just finished the manual restore
02:29:24rigelit didnt seem like a huge pain in the ass really
02:29:51S_a_i_n_tCompared to it "just working" with iTunes, it is ;)
02:30:39rigelnow i get the icon telling me to plug it in
02:30:55gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: Even assuming you have itunes installed, just finding the right icon and clicking on it takes more time than the manual restore I'd say :)
02:31:06gevaertsrigel: did you unzip the ipsw file?
02:31:31S_a_i_n_tgevaerts: You'd think so ;)
02:31:39S_a_i_n_tLooking at the logs here suggests otherwise :P
02:31:42gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: well, it is for me :)
02:31:47rigeli think i may have bricked it
02:31:48S_a_i_n_tMe too ;)
02:32:55gevaertsYou haven't
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02:33:45rigelright, just found that out
02:33:55S_a_i_n_tIt's *incredibly* hard to brick an iPod...but, it *is* possible.
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02:34:02S_a_i_n_tIt usually takes brute force, though.
02:36:11gevaertsrigel: what exact steps did you do?
02:36:13S_a_i_n_trigel: You have an AC charger, right?
02:36:26S_a_i_n_t(You'll need it to complete the restore)
02:37:40rigeli plugged it in and it booted again
02:37:58rigeli wonder if that charger has to be apple branded. mine was, but i know they do weird shit to their power connectors
02:38:05gevaertsAh, ok
02:38:30S_a_i_n_tIt doesn't need to be apple *branded*, but it needs to do "the right magic".
02:38:55S_a_i_n_t(some chargers don't, usually the cheap "charge only" ones will fail here)
02:40:00rigelright, they throw an extra pulldown resistor on their data line or some weird shite
02:40:24rigeli forced my wife to get a pc and run ubuntu when her mac died
02:46:14rigelthanks for helping me with the troubleshooting, yall
02:46:18rigelreally appreaciate it
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06:50:53JdGordonI've been thinking about making the list skinnable again, how would we go about getting the user to specify the viewport to draw for the selected and unselected items? and how to set the spacing between them? and x/y offsets for the first item, etc?
06:51:41S_a_i_n_tI don't know if that would even be possible with the current system...would it?
06:51:55S_a_i_n_tI can't imagine it without some really radical changes.
06:52:12JdGordoneverything is possible.... my question is "how would you want to make it work"?
06:52:48S_a_i_n_teach list item pretty much needs to be a seperate vp, no?
06:53:11S_a_i_n_tas the selected itm could appear anywhere in the list.
06:53:47JdGordonthe only was I can tihnk it could work is that the user would specify two viewports, one would be displayed for each non selected item and the other for the 1 selected item
06:54:24S_a_i_n_thmmm, so "non selected" applies for *all* non selected items?
06:54:39JdGordonand for later, "selected" here would mean "the item with the current cursor" for later when multi-selec ever happens
06:55:24JdGordonthis could mean the skin could use vastly different colouring/sizing for the selcted item than the rest
06:55:32S_a_i_n_tHow would the viewports grow/shrink dynamically? I can't figure that magic in my head (but I'm not you :))
06:56:26S_a_i_n_tthey wouldn't need to.
06:56:32JdGordonthe NS (non selected) item viewports could *only* have static info in them (including no scrolling) because the actual viewport coords will be changed for each item
06:57:18S_a_i_n_tthat's not so bad, that's as it is now. but, without the "hold X to scroll" feature.
06:58:00JdGordonthat could be worked into it "fairly easily" too
06:58:12JdGordonthe big issue currently is making the UI for this work
06:58:45S_a_i_n_tWell, don't drive yourself insane, but...this could be very cool ;)
06:58:46JdGordondo we do it as a new tag? %xx(NS label, S label, x offset, y offset)?
06:59:01JdGordonwhere the offsets start from the UI viewport border
06:59:13S_a_i_n_tI'm still pissing around with a way to completely re-implement the lists with skin vars and viewports.
06:59:23S_a_i_n_tit takes an obscene amount of code, though.
06:59:27S_a_i_n_tand, it;s not pretty.
07:00:14S_a_i_n_tI'm hoping I'll look at it one day and think of a way I can do it with a lot less code.
07:00:26S_a_i_n_tbut at present, it's not happening.
07:00:48JdGordonlists? you mean menus?
07:00:59S_a_i_n_tI figured out a way to do an "icon/windowing" system to collapse viewports :D
07:01:01S_a_i_n_tand, yes.
07:03:01JdGordonanyway, apart from time, the only thing stopping me doing the coding for this is not having an idea how to make it usable for users
07:04:08S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure about how it *should* be done. I've never been so good at that. I always seem to just accept your ideas, and then find a way I can abuse them to do things later ;)
07:04:53S_a_i_n_tmy general view is, as long as the code to do it isn't too complicated, and the outcome is very cool...themers will adjust.
07:05:20S_a_i_n_t(hopefully without breaking too much/any stuff to do so)
07:06:15JdGordonI think i could get it to a pretty usable state in an afternoon of coding
07:06:43JdGordonbut the skin system will need more stuff like actual drawing tags (at least colouring tags) to be fully usable
07:07:18S_a_i_n_tit will? Our fg/bg tags aren't enough?
07:07:47JdGordonno, bg is ignored when there is a bg image
07:07:59S_a_i_n_tOh, no...right, as it'd need selected/non-selected values.
07:08:36JdGordonplus, I think it will need child-viewport support somehow to be able to finely contorl the icon/text placement
07:09:29S_a_i_n_tblast you! you're going to force me into making a theme where 52 VPs finally aren't enough one day! :P
07:11:28JdGordonmaybe I get the user to speficy the list item bounding box size and a label to use and any viewport with that label is drawn with the correct offsets inside that box?
07:11:56JdGordoni.e %Vp(5,5,-,-,-) would draw at (5,5) inside the item viewport box and not the screen
07:13:20JdGordonthat probably makes tthe most sense actually
07:16:13S_a_i_n_tIt sounds a little odd to me, but, as I can't even begin to imagine a "saner" option...I think it holds up pretty well so far.
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07:22:33JdGordonalso, someone will need t make kinetic scrolling work with whatever i do :p
07:24:23S_a_i_n_tthat's barely works now ;)
07:24:47*S_a_i_n_t doesn't like the way it's almost impossible to "keep" scrolling.
07:25:10S_a_i_n_tie. every time your thumb/finger hits it again it stops the list dead in its tracks.
07:25:36S_a_i_n_tit's bloody hard to scroll through a long list with it.
07:25:38JdGordonwhile im here... looking at the list code, I think implementing it using the native android widget would be pretty damn simple
07:25:51JdGordonespecially if we can tell that to draw in a View
07:26:05JdGordonit being the lists
07:31:42JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: tag idea for the one for "use this vp label and box to draw the non selected items" tag?
07:31:49JdGordonand the same but for the selected item?
07:31:54JdGordon%Lb() is meh
07:32:04JdGordonshould be L <something>
07:33:22JdGordonOH... this will also allow touch lists to be grid style...
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07:56:50S_a_i_n_tSo does my rather hackish alternative ;)
07:57:17S_a_i_n_tthough, it's far, far, far too much of a kludge to call it "usable".
07:57:53S_a_i_n_tit can only really be done on a target where thee'd be no worries about overflowing the skin buffer.
07:59:14*mshathlonxp uploaded upgraded latviesu.lang and lietuviu.lang to tracker
07:59:18JdGordonwith te way im doing it the ui viewport would only be used for the actul list items, you'd have to put a scrollbar in manually (ditto the list title)
07:59:22JdGordonsound reasonable?
08:00:29S_a_i_n_tIt does indeed, does this mean I'll finally get bitmap scrollbars? :)
08:00:42S_a_i_n_t(even without, it sounds reasonable)
08:00:59JdGordonwell, the scrollbar tag would be the same as any bar tag, so yes
08:01:36S_a_i_n_tWell, then, yes...with that added bias I see it as very reasonable ;)
08:03:56*jhMikeS protests the bitmap scrollbar
08:04:52S_a_i_n_tvalid protests only! :P
08:05:22*jhMikeS should probably just stick to dumb things like playback :)
08:05:42JdGordonyeah, dealing with broken files is far simpler than broken people
08:06:04S_a_i_n_tthemers are broken?
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08:06:13S_a_i_n_t...actually, yeah...I can dig that.
08:06:15jhMikeSJdGordon: I'll not trouble you further then
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10:45:43bertrikuser msh = Mārtiņš Šimis, right?
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11:22:06CIA-16New commit by bertrik (r29907): Update Latvian language, FS #12123 by Mārtiņš Šimis
11:25:42CIA-16r29907 build result: All green
11:30:36bertrikIs it a problem if I change the order of phrases in a language file?
11:31:02bertrikI'm considering to synchronise the ordering of a language file with the order in the english language file
11:31:11pixelmaIIRC no but why would you want to?
11:31:56JdGordonbertrik: no, only english.lang matters for ordering
11:32:10JdGordonits pretty pointless reordering the others though
11:32:13bertrikpixelma, to make it easier to view it in a file diff tool
11:35:35pixelmayeah ok, I did that too when updating the German translation after the langv2 switch. As JdGordon said it's no problem if you don't change the order in english.lang but people asked me the same question I did back then. It may have impact on SVN history things, guess it's not so important in the language file though
11:37:05bertrikthe <source> section differs in several places, so I thought it could be easy to fix that with a diff viewer, but in order to properly do that it's nice that the phrases are in the same order as in english
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11:40:32bertrikor maybe I shouldn't bother and just revert all the changes I made so far
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11:54:39JoshuaChangwhat about gigabeat fx's battery life?
11:55:44bertrikwhat is your question?
11:57:16JoshuaChangi want to know the battery life about gigabeat fx while using rb to playback mp3
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12:03:33JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: everyone: <- first working proof of the list being drawn from the skin engine
12:03:43JdGordonas usual, my demo's are uber-ugly
12:04:06AlexPJdGordon: Is this for skinning lists?
12:04:35JdGordonthis *is* skinning lists
12:04:44AlexPyes, that is what I meant
12:04:56JdGordonusing a surprisingly small amount of code
12:05:03AlexPWhat sort of thing will be/is possible?
12:05:39JdGordonsame as the rest of the skin engine... whatever you can imagine!
12:06:00JdGordonI havnt implemented different viewports for selected/non-selected item yet but thats tiny
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12:06:08AlexPWell, if it is text based I can just imagine font/colour/position
12:06:21JdGordonand it will need some extra stuff, but I tihnk anyone able can take over from here
12:06:22AlexPWhich you can do already, so I suspect my imagination fails :)
12:06:37JdGordonhow does large touch tiles sound for the main menu?
12:06:52JdGordonand a text list for the rest?
12:06:55AlexPSo you can have images for items?
12:07:02*JdGordon tihnks that will "Just Work"
12:08:26AlexPIt'd be great to have an understanding of this in time for devcon (personally speaking I mean) as I've put the android/touchscreen default WPS on the agenda
12:09:00AlexPAs I think it is much more important there to have an agreed well thought out default, and it sometimes isn't as clear what that should be
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12:31:02jhMikeSJdGordon: that's so obviously photoshopped
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12:56:09JdGordonjhMikeS: gee thanks!
12:56:15Mikachuhi, i noticed the vmware image is updated, can i delete the copy i mirrored? (Debian-4.7z)
12:56:15JdGordonAlexP: well, I wont be there :)
12:57:25JdGordonand as for the default, meh, I'm making the options available, how its used is up to others
12:57:29pixelmanot? I thought I read about... when was it...
12:57:36pixelmaah, April 1st ;)
12:57:41*JdGordon doesnt tihnk this will be commited any time soon anyway
12:58:49jhMikeSJdGordon: /jk
13:03:10*JdGordon loves how stupidly simple it is to add new tags to the skin engine :)
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13:33:01pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: aha, you are right, the theme tags section in the D2 manual is also broken (that was masked by the other problem on Thursday), will have a look
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13:42:49pixelmabluebroth3r: which package does ! LaTeX Error: File `lmodern.sty' not found.
13:43:40pixelmabah... c+p error - wanted to ask which package lmodern.sty is from
13:43:57pixelmaor requires
13:44:05JdGordon <- who's up for some very early testing?
13:48:51gevaertsJdGordon: do I understand correctly that Lb is a "virtual" viewport, i.e. it will be reused for each list item?
13:50:23gevaertsAlthough if so, I'm not sure if I understand "x,y is offset from the UI viewport"
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13:54:41gevaertshm, I haven't been following wps development lately. Can you use "active" touch areas in the sbs these days and e.g. have a pause button there?
13:55:04gevaertsAnd if so, can you have that in a list item as well? :)
13:55:54JdGordongevaerts: yes, the viewport moves which means no scrolling (going to work around that later). x,y, offset is for the first item, although might be redundant
13:56:05gevaertsAh, ok
13:56:09JdGordongevaerts: and yes and no
13:56:18JdGordonwell, yes and yes
13:58:21gevaertsThe case I'm thinking of (although I'm not at all convinced that it makes any sense, rather the opposite) is to have settings touch areas on the main menu, so you could make a theme that exposes some radio settings on the radio item, bookmark settings on recent bookmarks, and so on
13:59:01gevaertsThat probably involves undefined behaviour right now (does the touch go to the menu or to the touch area?), and I can't really think of a reeason why you'd want this
13:59:26JdGordon"because you can"!
13:59:28gevaertsAnd you'd need a way to reliably figure out which menu item you're on
13:59:32gevaertsWell yes :)
13:59:56JdGordonthe skin system currently lets you change settings from touch regions, so sure it could be possible
14:00:06JdGordonbut insanley complex to do (i think)
14:00:46gevaertsI *think* that if you want to allow people to do this in a well-defined way, you'd need something like a dedicated touch area that does the menu action instead of the entire item area
14:01:03JdGordonyou lost me
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14:01:26gevaertsI mean, right now when you tap on a menu item, you "activate" the menu item, right?
14:02:11gevaertsWhich means you go to another menu, another screen, or you start playback, or something like that
14:02:36JdGordonregions are very specific.. you either press a reigion or you press void (which means nothing happens)
14:02:44gevaertsNow if you have touch areas on the menu item, it's not clear what happens (or what should happen even) when you tap one of those
14:04:04JdGordonoh... aaaah.... right, hmm
14:04:23gevaertsFor now I'd say "don't do that then" :)
14:04:32JdGordonyeah, ok, right now any touches in the ui viewport will be given to the list widget to figure out what to do
14:06:18gevaertsAnd if someone comes up with a real use case, I'd say the cleanest way from the theme desiner's point of view is to allow defining a "menu touch region", and if that's defined, only that region gets passed on to the list code
14:06:45*JdGordon smiles and nods at the crazy lunatic
14:07:50gevaertsIs there a way to figure out what sort of list you're drawing?
14:08:09JdGordonerrr.. sort of... you have access to the current screen
14:08:57gevaertsAnd if it's not a generic file list, is there a way to get at the current item in a somewhat meaningful way? Maybe the untranslated string could be doable?
14:09:12*gevaerts admits that he's just thinking rather wildly now
14:09:38JdGordonthere is a tag which lets you find out if this is the current selected item
14:10:17gevaertsWell yes, but that doesn't help me implement "icon animations" :)
14:10:25*gevaerts will need about a gigabyte of skin buffer
14:11:11bertrikare we going to do a full widget toolkit now?
14:14:04gevaertsJdGordon: hm, thinking about this, why do you need this x,y offset? Isn't that what the UI viewport itself is for in the first place?
14:14:19JdGordonyeah, probably dont need it
14:15:01gevaertsI'd imagine that dropping that would make it easier it re-add smooth scrolling
14:16:18JdGordonmaybe, I havnt tested this with multiple child-viewports at all so i just thought it owuld be needed, but yes, width/height is probably enugh
14:16:43JdGordonnow, can I assume that if width < height we want to tile the items horizontally instead of using the normal list?
14:17:13gevaertsI'd say yes, but I'm not sure about the reverse
14:17:36gevaertsi.e. I can imagine tiling with landscape aspect ratio as well
14:18:48JdGordonI also need to work out how to specify the selected-item viewport
14:18:59JdGordonpossibly an optional string param on the end for both
14:19:25JdGordonwe could even add umm.... overlapping items to give it a 3d look!
14:19:43JdGordonok, LUA really is needed here
14:20:15gevaertsNow who's the crazy lunatic? :)
14:22:49*JdGordon has a really wierd redraw problem with the patch
14:23:05JdGordonthe first line draws immediatly, the rest of the list takes ~1s to display!
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14:34:10djp_hi. does anyone know why rockbox (3.8.1) on the sansa clip v2 plays .ogg files flawlessly, but the same .ogg files won't play on sansa clip v1 (again using rockbox 3.8.1)?
14:35:29djp_i'm presuming it's something to do with the bootloader. sansa clip v2 uses bootloader 3, while the clip v1 reports bootloader 2...
14:35:42JdGordonclip v1 has less ram than the v2
14:35:48JdGordonnothing to do with the bootloader
14:36:11djp_JdGordon: ah... so it is lack of ram?
14:36:39JdGordonI assume so
14:37:13djp_JdGordon: thanks... well thankfully i have a v2 so i'll just stick to that :)
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14:54:53CIA-16New commit by pixelma (r29908): Manual: Fix theme tags section and hence the complete manual for touchscreen targets . The _ needs escaping (but the * doesn't).
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14:56:27pixelmaurgh... could have adjusted for the change in the meaning of * and & too while at it
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15:11:33pixelmakugel: what was it again - & is now "hold and repeats" and * is "hold but only trigger once"?
15:12:01pixelmaor better "long press" instead of hold
15:12:49pixelmais this on the CustomWPS page?
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15:26:04NatanielI got a question because something is unclear to me; I got all Ipods Classic listed up to 4th G, and I got Ipod Classic 5g 2r, and I can't find 5g on builds list...
15:26:17bluebroth3rpixelma: search for a package lmodern :) On my Fedora box it's in the texlive-texmf-latex package
15:26:29bertrikI see some inconsistency about 'centre' vs. 'center' in the user manual, do we care about that?
15:26:47bluebroth3rNataniel: there is no Ipod classic 4G.
15:26:49AlexPNataniel: Video
15:26:56AlexPThe Classic 1G = old 6G
15:27:08bluebroth3rbertrik: originally it was decided to have the manual in british english
15:27:09AlexPif Apple hadn't changed the numbering
15:27:09Natanielit's so unclear D:
15:27:17AlexPbertrik: yes, it is centre
15:27:23JdGordonwhats the command to not use sdl threads in the sim?
15:27:23pixelmabluebroth3r: googling already helped but I thought it may be a part of some bigger package. Thanks anyway :)
15:27:28AlexPThe manual + Rockbox use UK English
15:27:30JdGordonand why isnt it in the −−help text?
15:27:41bluebroth3rnot really. They had Ipods up to 5.5G. That was "Ipod". Then they started with this stupid "Classic" thing.
15:28:59Natanielso when I have what's on wikipedia is called 'sixth (classic) (2nd revision)' then I need a build for iPod Video, do I get this right?
15:29:06bluebroth3rpixelma: well, it usually depends on the LaTeX distribution. Fedora seems to like putting multiple LaTeX packages together in one big system package, TexLive and MiKTeX don't. So it's a bit hard to say which package you need :)
15:29:18AlexPbertrik: The same is true if you spot e.g. colour vs color, favourite etc. etc.
15:29:19bluebroth3rno, Ipod Video is 5G
15:29:31AlexPNataniel: No, ipod video is the 5G
15:29:40bluebroth3rmight make sense to run aspell or similar on the manual sources
15:30:03bluebroth3rat least every now and then :)
15:30:14AlexPbluebroth3r: Might be a little tricky as I think some of the opts use e.g. Ipod Color
15:30:19Buschelamiconn: thank you for the measurement
15:30:22AlexPI'd have to double check yhough
15:30:26pixelmaAlexP: would you mind having a look at the English here: (just a short patch)
15:30:32Natanielso 6g2r is which one D:
15:30:41amiconnBuschel: Probably not the kind of results you'd like
15:30:51Buschelexactly :)
15:31:28AlexPpixelma: looks fine to me
15:31:29bluebroth3rAlexP: 6g2r? 6 gramms?
15:31:36bluebroth3rthat has to be a light Ipod.
15:31:36pixelmaAlexP: thanks
15:31:42AlexPbluebroth3r: Don't ask me!
15:31:42bluebroth3rmake sure not to loose it :P
15:31:57AlexPNataniel: What does 6g2r mean?
15:32:06AlexPWhere are you getting this designation?
15:32:19Natanieli mean 'sixth (classic) (2nd revision)'
15:32:30Natanielon wikipedia
15:33:06Buschelamiconn: what happens on PP5020 if you do not patch libcook/cookdata_fixpoint.h ?
15:33:24NatanielI checked on wikipedia cause I'm pretty sure I got the last one, and there's nothing I can see on box
15:34:23CIA-16New commit by pixelma (r29909): Manual:r29866 changed the meaning of & and * for touch region actions, update the manual accordingly and add some short explanations.
15:34:31gevaertsNataniel: that's the Classic
15:35:11JdGordondid anyone else suddenyl have gmail put flysrpay emails into spam?
15:35:18Natanielso on builds site it's called?
15:36:04Natanielbecause there's no classic there
15:36:06AlexPNataniel: It isn't, we don't support it yet
15:36:17gevaertsStrangely enough the ipod classic is called "ipod classic" in the rockbox world :)
15:37:03AlexPalthough it seems to be here if you want to experiment:
15:37:34Natanieloh, too bad. I don't like apple's soft, just need really a lot of disk space :F
15:37:39CIA-16r29909 build result: 0 errors, 3 warnings (pixelma committed)
15:37:52AlexPYou'll need to use a non-rockbox bootloader too
15:38:07bertrikAlexP, I'm running parts of the manual through an online spell checker and 'center' was one of the things it warns about. I think I won't fix that now, we probably should fix those for the entire manual some time.
15:38:07AlexPAnd not expect a huge amount of support :)
15:38:15AlexPbertrik: yep
15:38:29AlexPNataniel: Details are on the wiki somewhere
15:39:19NatanielAnd what's the risk with this experimental? Can my ipod seriously damage, or simply not work and force me to install original soft back?
15:42:34NatanielBecause on some devices it's that wey, and on others another, and I simply don't know how it is with ipods...
15:50:55AlexPIt won' do any harm
15:51:07AlexPIt might just be a bit unstable, or be missing features
15:51:16AlexPI'm not sure of the current status
15:51:34AlexPBut I think it misses things like recording, has bad battery life and might crash every now and again
15:51:38gevaertsIsn't the Classic a bit tricky to recover if you manage to do things wrong in the right way?
15:51:39AlexPBut that is from memory
15:52:06AlexPMake sure you have a back up of your music etc.
15:52:27AlexPgevaerts: Possibly if you try, not sure
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15:53:32CIA-16New commit by Buschel (r29910): Fix some residual 'defined but not used' warnings by GCC 4.6.0 for touchscreen targets.
15:53:34gevaertsWell yes, but rockbox not breaking anything while it's running doesn't help you much if things broke when you tried to install it :)
15:53:42AlexPtrue enough
15:57:00CIA-16r29910 build result: All green
15:59:52bluebroth3rAlexP: we can in fact use aspell. This isn't too bad: aspell -t -l en_UK-ise −−add-tex-command="opt pp" −−add-tex-command="nopt pp" −−add-tex-command="screenshot ppo" −−add-tex-command="reference p" −−add-tex-command="fname p" −−add-tex-command="wikilink p" -c configure_rockbox/playback_options.tex
16:00:07AlexPbluebroth3r: cool :)
16:00:23bluebroth3rtweaking those −−add-tex-command options might need some more tweaking but as far as I looked it looked quite ok
16:01:03bluebroth3rmaybe it makes sense to have a small script in manual/ to do that? It's running aspell interactive, but a human needs to look over the matches anyway
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16:01:20bluebroth3ror a make manual-spellcheck?
16:01:29CIA-16New commit by bertrik (r29911): Fix various minor spelling issues in the rockbox manual.
16:02:07bluebroth3rok, bertrik already fixed it :P
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16:03:15linuxstbbluebroth3r: People are probably more likely to see/use it if it's a script.
16:03:32bluebroth3rgood point
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16:07:12bluebroth3rthinking about it, we could easily have both. Just make the make target call the script :)
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18:17:12lovasoabertrik: is the iap.c patch you posted on FS safer then the one I tested before ?
18:21:42bertriklovasoa, it's basically the same
18:22:31bertrikit wasn't quite clear to me if iap behaviour got worse with this patch or was still the same
18:22:32lovasoaSo, it has the bug that I warned you about ?
18:23:19bertrikI don't know what bug, I believe the patch is bug-free
18:24:20lovasoaBut last time, it freezed my player.
18:24:49lovasoaBut if you want, I will try this new patch, and make a more precise bug report ...
18:26:10bertrikI think the iap code has a race condition though, there is no guarantee that the buffer currently being processed isn't overwritten by the serial character interrupt
18:27:01bertrikso if rockbox is slow to process the packet and the accessory sends a new one, things get overwritten and possibly seriously confused
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18:29:23bertrikmaybe we should double buffer the iap data
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19:01:01amiconnBuschel: That reduces the loss, but it's still slower than svn
19:02:47Buschelamiconn: ok, in the meantime I further reduced the code change.
19:03:12lovasoabertrik: just tried your patch. My iPod crashed again. I just tried to start a playlist from my accessory, and the iPod crashed. I've had to connect it to the computer to have it booting again.
19:03:18Buschelamiconn: what about this one (forget about the debugging stuff in it) ->
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19:03:47Buschelthe speed up is still the same on iPod Video
19:04:08BuschelI did not measure the nano 2G yet
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19:07:44amiconnExactly as fast as svn
19:08:02amiconn..on PP5020
19:11:42amiconnSame on PP5002. That is weird...
19:13:53*amiconn does a full rebuild of the codec to make sure
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19:24:05amiconnDoesn't change the results
19:24:05Buschelgood, can you test on MCF5250 as well?
19:24:05amiconnNot now (don't have my X5 with me)
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19:42:53amiconnBuschel: iAudio M5 (MCF5250): SVN 27.67: MHz, latest pastie: 26.82 MHz, that is ~3.1% speedup
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21:03:59CIA-16New commit by Buschel (r29913): Submit FS #12115: Use more IRAM in cook codec for several targets. Speeds up PP5022 and MCF5250 by ~3% and S5L87.0x by ~4%.
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22:07:17akbarhashwould like to report a bug in crossfade. when i am shuffling through songs and set crossfade to shuffle only it still fades when i do a manual track change this does not happen when i set shuffle off. this should not occur as there is an option for shuffle and manual track change only so the two options have the same functionality when i am shuffling it should be able to differentiate between them.
22:09:26Lloreanakbarhash: Bug reports belong on the bug tracker, since often things posted here will be missed.
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22:09:40LloreanDon't forget to include information like which revision of Rockbox, which player, etc.
22:09:43akbarhashyeah i am posting there too
22:09:58akbarhashbut since it is a small bug i thought i would bring it up here
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22:12:01akbarhashplayer tested on clip plus and fuze v2
22:12:32funmancan you test on sim too?
22:15:04akbarhashcan't am really sorry i tried setting up rockbox environment in the past but never succeded, i feel like a noob.
22:15:50akbarhashadded flyspray FS #12126
22:18:05LloreanYou report it's in 3.8.1
22:18:09LloreanHave you tried a current build?
22:19:29LloreanI'm not sure it's a buck though. Since it's on for "shuffle", shuffle is on when you're getting it in your description
22:19:39LloreanIt sounds like it's less a bug, and more your expectations don't match what it's actually offering
22:20:00akbarhashi could not put the current build there it has been there for quite some time but i didnt report it am sure somewhere from 28500+
22:20:04LloreanWith "shuffle" set as the conditions, it always crossfades if "shuffle" playback mode is enabled.
22:20:12akbarhashalso in the current build
22:20:17LloreanWith "shuffle & manual" it will do it if shuffling *or* if manual track skips while not shuffling
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22:20:51LloreanThere is no "shuffle, but not manual track changes while shuffling" option, which is what it sounds like you want.
22:21:16akbarhashyou are right
22:21:34akbarhashbut i guess that the two options are the same for me
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22:21:50akbarhashsince i am mostly on shuffle mode
22:22:06LloreanYeah, but the same for you doesn't mean they're the same.
22:22:33LloreanYou might want to edit the bug report to clarify that it's unclear terminology, not necessarily a bug.
22:23:12LloreanMaybe explicitly detail what you expect as the behaviour for each setting, and what you're getting instead so it's a little clearer where the difference is.
22:23:27akbarhashok just thought that i should put it there maybe there should be the option "shuffle, but not manual track changes while shuffling" Thanks for your time am editing the flyspray
22:26:43Strife89Anyone in here following FS #11664? The current patch is out of sync (and I failed miserably at trying to fix it).
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22:53:25[Saint]Hmmm...the forum seems to be hiding one of my posts :/
22:53:42*[Saint] wonders why Akismet hates him...haven't I been here long enough yet? ;)
22:53:53*gevaerts doesn't see anything
22:54:42[Saint]perhaps I'm blind, but I can't see :,28030.msg181381.html#msg181381 in the "recent posts"
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22:55:48gevaertsshould you? I mean, it's relatively old by now
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22:56:05[Saint]Oh, ok...browser being a menace.
22:56:42[Saint]FF doesn't want to show some posts...where Chrome does. Sorry Akismet, I still love you.
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