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#rockbox log for 2011-05-23

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00:08:15	sideral	amiconn:
00:08:59	sideral	amiconn: Do you have any comments regarding FS #12107?
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02:14:33	*	JdGordon has skinned lists working in the menus with inbuilt list in the rec screen working \o/
02:15:10	JdGordon	which means we can do different themes for the listy itself depending on whch screen we are in
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03:00:15	[Saint]	JdGordon: Clarify?
03:00:33	[Saint]	You mean, not only can we skin the lists, but, we can skin the lists per-screen?
03:01:18	JdGordon	yes
03:01:59	JdGordon	my use case there is a tiled list (for touch targets) for the main main menu and regular but themed for other lists
03:02:10	[Saint]	also, will these list/list-child viewports allow bitmap drawing as usual? As I proabbly won't bother with drawing a fg/bg colour, but instead just do it with bitmaps.
03:02:34	JdGordon	yes
03:02:39	[Saint]	woo!
03:02:44	JdGordon	they are in every way regular skin viewports
03:02:49	JdGordon	except no scrolling
03:02:55	Llorean	JdGordon: Yeah, I've thought the same thing was needed (tiled for the base menu, but lists for other ones)
03:03:19	[Saint]	no scrolling at all?
03:03:36	[Saint]	that's a bit of a serious ass kick.
03:03:49	JdGordon	we arent quite there yet because the "current screen" tag isnt fine grained enough (yet)
03:04:05	JdGordon	[Saint]: you'll be able to scroll in the current selected viewport, not the others
03:04:52	[Saint]	Ah, right. Yeah, that was kinda what I thought as per last nights conversation...but I got the impression just now there's be no scrolling at all.
03:05:35	[Saint]	on a side note...I got a little further with my icon/windowing system.
03:05:43	JdGordon	right now though scrolling will break things
03:06:05	[Saint]	I now have the conditions for conditional placement of the viewports depending on what's expanded/collapsed at the time. But, it's a LOT of code.
03:06:35	JdGordon	well, tell me how to make it better?
03:06:57	[Saint]	Oh, there's not really any way to do that ;)
03:07:03	[Saint]	Except what you're doing now.
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03:07:19	[Saint]	what you're doing now is the "propper" way to do a grid style menu.
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03:09:22	[Saint]	the only real benefit I can see from my hacked up version is that the menu can be arranged however you want it to be. The downside is how foolishly complicated the code gets.
03:10:12	[Saint]	Even I look at it and cry, so you'd probably consider flying over here specifically to punch me in the face for writing such a horribly complex theme.
03:10:24	[Saint]	;)
03:10:28	JdGordon	you've been fiddling with the code? or a skin?
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03:10:42	[Saint]	It's all done with the skins.
03:10:57	JdGordon	no way, send it over... im always interested in crazy uses :)
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03:15:39	[Saint]	Is what you're playing with on Flyspray yet?
03:17:06	JdGordon	FS #12124
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03:21:25	*	[Saint] has a hard time parsing "%?Lc<%>%>%>>%ac%LT"
03:21:37	[Saint]	specifically "<%>%>%>>"
03:21:59	[Saint]	Oh! aha...got it.
03:22:27	JdGordon	need for visual indication ftw
03:22:51	[Saint]	man that looks weird... I assume it's ">>>List_Item_title"
03:23:29	JdGordon	title is centered
03:25:18	[Saint]	your %Vi positioning bug me ;)
03:25:23	[Saint]	*bugs
03:25:48	JdGordon	well, make me a better test sbs for me
03:25:50	JdGordon	:)
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03:31:24	[Saint]	I don't understand from looking at it what you're doing with the %VI tag in your example...
03:31:41	[Saint]	isn't that only needed for displaying UI viewports conditionally?
03:31:57	JdGordon	offsetting it a bit to make sure my positioning works
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03:33:59	[Saint]	I didn't even think the %VI tag took args like that.
03:34:13	[Saint]	I was under the impression it was only "%VI(label)"
03:34:45	JdGordon	VI isnt in my example
03:34:50	[Saint]	and that the params were defined by the %Vi tag
03:35:00	JdGordon	its little L
03:35:05	[Saint]	Aha!
03:35:15	[Saint]	right, that makes a shitload more sense then.
03:36:17	[Saint]	well...kinda.
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03:36:22	[Saint]	is it ever actually called?
03:36:47	JdGordon	sure, by Lb
03:36:59	[Saint]	Argh! I don't like that at all.
03:37:03	JdGordon	(I really need to find better tag names for alll the list tags)
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03:37:47	[Saint]	IMO, that's pretty bloody confusing that %Vl can be called by any other tag than %Vd
03:37:59	JdGordon	how else shold it be done?
03:38:26	[Saint]	Right now, I can't say...but, it's quite impossible to read.
03:38:39	JdGordon	I model the syntax on perl
03:38:43	[Saint]	(not for you obviously as you know what it's doing)
03:38:45	JdGordon	RO
03:38:49	JdGordon	i mean, WRO
03:39:20	[Saint]	I look at it and think "what the hell is that viewport defined for if it's never called"
03:39:41	[Saint]	Now I know it is, it's slightly better, but still pretty hard to read.
03:40:44	JdGordon	I could add a new tag which is identical to %Vl if that would make it easier?
03:41:23	[Saint]	It would make it easier to read, IMO, but I think you need more opinions than just mine.
03:41:39	[Saint]	Unfortunately, there's not a lot of people that actually have any opinion on skin syntax.
03:41:48	[Saint]	pixelma: ^
03:41:55	JdGordon	it would be an exact copy though... i.e just another tag for the same thing, they would be interchangeable
03:42:03	JdGordon	so i dont tihnk that is such a good idea
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03:42:21	[Saint]	I guess I just have to get used to it.
03:42:42	[Saint]	Trying to read that example .sbs nearly broke my brain though ;)
03:42:56	JdGordon	dammit! didnt make it bad enough then
03:43:02	[Saint]	:D
03:43:10	JdGordon	does that one have %Lb inside a conditional?
03:43:28	[Saint]	I'm looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12124?getfile=23690
03:43:43	JdGordon	so no :)
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03:59:25	[Saint]	Hmmmm....%Tl(timeout) is broken :/
03:59:40	[Saint]	it appears to ignore the specified timeout.
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04:00:31	[Saint]	default timeouts are ~2 seconds no? It seems to be defaulting, despite a user set timeout.
04:01:05	[Saint]	add that to flyspray JdGordon?
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04:04:10	[Saint]	glargh! the manual is such a mess for themers.
04:04:35	[Saint]	I really need to go through and find all the missing tags from the manual...as, there's quite a few.
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04:05:12	[Saint]	unless you're looking at the manual and CustomWPS there's no way you could possibly know of all the available skin tags.
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04:11:15	[Saint]	JdGordon: Can %vs share identifiers?(as in could two seperate conditions use the same identifier and set/inc/dec treat it as one value?)
04:11:25	[Saint]	(let me know if I need to word that better)
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04:19:08	[Saint]	fuck it...I can't work out this skin-var crap the way I need to.
04:21:05	[Saint]	and it's stopping me from putting this touch cabbie on flyspray. If anyone else feels like working it out, they're welcome to ( JdGordon I'm looking in your direction ;))
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04:21:51	[Saint]	well, that was amusing.
04:22:19	[Saint]	here, rather: http://pastebin.com/s1YMjhQE
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04:26:35	[Saint]	the "problem" is that "current track info - album art" and "next track info - no album art" both need to display their text conditionally based on whether "popup" or "popup - volume" is currently true.
04:26:45	[Saint]	Can't figure it out myself, no sir.
04:29:35	[Saint]	I've managed to do some pretty crazy things with themes before now...and I know this should be simple...but it just wants to break my brain.
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04:32:21	JdGord	Which timeouts are broken?
04:32:40	[Saint]	%Tl
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04:47:35	[Saint]	JdGordon: Just found out that the touch area "none" doesn't respect & or *
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04:54:48	yelped	I'm trying to compile my own build. I get an error by mpegplayer "missing makefile for mpegplayer". Can anyone help?
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04:56:21	[Saint]	yelped: Is this the first time you've compiled your own build, or have you compiled before?
04:56:31	[Saint]	(I ask that in case a "make clean" is enough)
04:57:17	yelped	I've compiled before?
04:57:24	yelped	. not ?
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04:58:21	[Saint]	erm...if you've compiled before, in the same build dir, but it was a long time ago...there's a chance that svn changed enough to break things and you'll need to do a "make clean" in your build dir.
04:58:38	[Saint]	if it's a clean (as in new) build dir, then, something else is wrong.
04:58:41	yelped	Oh thanks. Let me try.
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05:02:52	yelped	Does it delete the changes I've made?
05:03:08	[Saint]	No, any changes you've made to svn will still be there.
05:03:35	[Saint]	(you can verify that with "svn diff")
05:03:52	yelped	Ok, thaks for the help. It's in middle of compiling now. I'll report IY"H later.
05:04:03	yelped	*thanks
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05:12:04	JdGordon	[Saint]: %tl stopped working where? with svn?
05:12:21	JdGordon	and you really need to file bugs, im not aroudn enough anymore for irc reports :)
05:12:47	[Saint]	I don't understand the first question there.
05:13:06	JdGordon	replying from a while ago...
05:13:12	JdGordon	timeouts broke?
05:13:29	[Saint]	Yes, but I don't understand the "where" part.
05:13:38	JdGordon	which screen
05:13:43	JdGordon	skin?
05:14:17	[Saint]	I've only seen it in my own. I don't use any others.
05:15:09	JdGordon	.sbs or wps?
05:15:15	[Saint]	example from my theme: "%?Tl(e,10)<%Vd(e)\|%xd(Da)>" gives a timeout of 2 seconds.
05:15:25	[Saint]	(which I understand to be the default timeout)
05:15:37	[Saint]	.wps
05:15:51	JdGordon	thaqt 10 means 10s timeout no?
05:15:56	[Saint]	correct.
05:16:19	[Saint]	Changing the value gives no effect.
05:16:36	[Saint]	so I'm pretty sure it's not actualy applying the specified timeout.
05:16:55	JdGordon	does %t() work as expected?
05:18:11	[Saint]	yes.
05:22:46	JdGordon	hmmmm
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05:45:54	*	[Saint] is suspicious about the new user zliuyanb on the forums.
05:46:20	[Saint]	his last (and only) post is a carbon copy of a select line from the previous post from that thread.
05:47:21	[Saint]	(and also has links to various knock-off merchandise in his sig...so I call bot)
05:51:31	[Saint]	Yeah, googling says bot.
05:52:25	[Saint]	(unless it's a human that likes to post small excerpts from other forumgoers)
05:55:56	JdGordon	done
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06:09:30	JdGord	Hehe poor [Saint]... skin vars are simple :)
06:10:15	JdGord	And yes, vs can share identifiers (if I'm understanding you correctly)
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06:12:37	[Saint]	well, http://pastebin.com/s1YMjhQE ;)
06:13:13	[Saint]	That's the only thing stopping me from porting this theme to the other remaining resolutions.
06:13:26	yelped	Ok, thanks for the advice, it worked perfectly.
06:13:31	[Saint]	I just can't figure it out :/
06:13:40	[Saint]	yelped: Glad to hear it man.
06:14:22	[Saint]	(by the way...not being able to figure out theme related stuff is really hard for me to admit too, it hurts my nerd-pride :P)
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06:22:32	JdGordon	[Saint]: eeeek!
06:22:54	*	[Saint] wonders what in particular the "eeeek!" is about ;)
06:23:20	JdGordon	the paste
06:23:34	*	JdGordon lols at the 5 lines "end of file"
06:23:53	JdGordon	ok, how do you want it to work
06:24:21	[Saint]	the "problem" is that "current track info - album art" and "next track info - no album art" both need to display their text conditionally based on whether "popup" or "popup - volume" is currently true.
06:24:41	JdGordon	ok, so whats the problem?
06:24:58	[Saint]	remember the issue with the popups cancelling out the text because it just drew overtop of it?
06:25:25	JdGordon	no
06:26:18	[Saint]	Hmmm, well the popups draw overtop of "current track info - album art" or "next track info - no album art" depending on if there's AA or not. It needs to...not do that ;)
06:27:04	JdGordon	sounds like you need to rethink how you enable viewports
06:27:05	[Saint]	otherwise the only way to get it "back to normal" again after the popup dissappears is to exit/re-enter the screen, or do something that forces a fullscreen redraw.
06:27:27	[Saint]	Well, yes, that's it. There's no condition I can use to do that.
06:27:54	[Saint]	other than checking if the popup is true with skin vars...that's the whole reason you added them ;)
06:28:02	JdGordon	if you have a box you want to choose one of X viewports to put in there you need to use 1 skin var and have it set to different values from elsewhere
06:28:50	JdGordon	no, you dont want to check if the popup is true, you want to check if some var is saying th epopup should be displayed
06:29:34	[Saint]	no, the popup is displayed if it's %Tl is true or not.
06:30:08	[Saint]	there's nothing else that can tell it when to display.
06:30:47	JdGordon	what tells it to display the first time?
06:31:18	[Saint]	look for "popup" and "popup - volume"
06:32:50	JdGordon	%?Tl(f,10)<%Vd(f)\|%xd(Db)> <- that shold be setting a var instead of enabling viewports
06:33:42	[Saint]	Well, that's kinda what I fugured...but I couldn't figure out the magic I need to do to pull this off correctly.
06:34:48	JdGordon	I dont remember the magic :)
06:34:53	[Saint]	feel free to butcher the syntax as you see fit (whenever you get around to it...there's no rush as there's no "official" RaaA) I can always make it readable again afterward.
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06:35:53	JdGordon	ok, so you need (at least) one var saying that a popup is being shown (so nothing else tries to show) right?
06:36:04	[Saint]	the way I learn things...I jsut kinda need to see it working, so I can expand on it. I've tried and tried and tried to get my head around it...but I always end up just trashing it because I botch it up.
06:36:23	[Saint]	Yes, that's correct.
06:37:18	[Saint]	I think there's need to be two, one that knows if "current track info - album art" is displayed and one for "next track info - no album art"
06:37:20	JdGordon	%?Tl(f,10)<%vs(popup_shown, set, 2)\|%vs(popup_shown, set, 1)>
06:37:30	JdGordon	put that in both popups, then elsewhere check that var
06:39:59	[Saint]	that'd need to go in "popup tag -*" iiuc.
06:40:06	[Saint]	*tab
06:40:47	[Saint]	that part I get...it's the checking for it, and where, part I don't get.
06:41:01	JdGordon	depends on ondering you might get screen draw problems... if it was me, I'd set all variables controlling viewports at the top of the skin
06:41:20	JdGordon	as well as the %Vd() lines based on only skin vars
06:41:43	JdGordon	you will need to keep setting the skin vars in popups but that is fine
06:42:18	[Saint]	these are things I know...but when I sit down to write the fucking thing I just can't do it.
06:44:09	[Saint]	I've even considered just going "flag it" and ripping the popup code out...but then there's no chance in Hell it'd ever get into svn as the touch areas aren't immediately obvious despite the fact it's perfectly usable without them.
06:44:52	*	JdGordon remembers concidering copiuous amounts of violence towards skin writers who use 1 letter labels!
06:45:11	JdGordon	%?C<%Vd(a)%Vd(b)\|%Vd(c)%Vd(d)> <- wrong on so many levels !
06:45:30	*	[Saint] remembers you being outnumbered on that one ;)
06:46:01	JdGordon	%?C<%Vd(a)%?vg(popupshown)<%Vd(b)\|%Vd(f)>\|....>
06:48:08	[Saint]	I do appreciate the pointers, but, pretty much the only way this is getting finished is if someone that isn't driven fucking insane by it does so. Until I can actually see the "right" syntax laid out in front of me, I just can't "see" it.
06:48:24	JdGordon	that line i pasted is what you want!
06:48:45	JdGordon	errrr
06:49:03	JdGordon	you need to choose which popup to display in that conditional also
06:49:59	JdGordon	I'm not fixing your code because 1) you need to give me the artwork to test it, 2) i outright refuse unless you write which letter goes to which viewport in a nice simple listing
06:50:39	[Saint]	I can put the theme up, and are the comments not a "nice, simple listing?"
06:51:01	JdGordon	yes they are not a nice listing
06:51:11	JdGordon	a - AA
06:51:15	JdGordon	b - aa track info
06:51:20	JdGordon	c - etc
06:51:23	JdGordon	all in one block
06:51:38	[Saint]	look at the comment, look at the %Vl...that's what I always do. But, I can add a comment block just for you ;)
06:54:03	[Saint]	whether it's in the code or in a list somewhere else in the code, you'd still need to go back & forth to check it out if you weren't sure what identifier == what, no?
06:54:34	JdGordon	yes, but at least i know exactly where to find all of them, having to search through thee whole thing is impossible
06:57:06	jhMikeS	I have one suggestion: don't switch out of AA mode in the WPS by default but only when a change in album art status is well established so that it avoids the text flying all over the place
06:57:58	jhMikeS	* Suggestion based on working on playback so much, not any current conversation
06:58:49	JdGordon	I tihnk that happens already
06:59:01	JdGordon	the AA check only goes true when it is ready to be displayed
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07:05:11	jhMikeS	If it stayed in album art state regardless of the art being present it would only switch on definite transitions to tracks with or without AA
07:07:19	JdGordon	it does a full redraw on every track change anyway
07:07:22	[Saint]	Yeah, if the AA isn't ready...the "no AA" case is true. Sometimes the wps is ready quite some time before the AA is.
07:07:48	[Saint]	I assume this is because the next track is already in the buffer.
07:08:28	[Saint]	If AA was prefetched for all tracks that are currently buffered...it'd "fix" that no?
07:08:43	JdGordon	there isnt room for that
07:08:52	[Saint]	Oh.
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07:12:17	[Saint]	where is the AA stored currently?
07:12:28	JdGordon	on the buffer
07:12:44	[Saint]	an I correct in thinking it steals from the track buffer?
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07:13:45	[Saint]	Hmmm....some targets wouldn't really notice one or two more AA images loaded, others really would.
07:14:04	[Saint]	"Next AA" would be awesome, but faces the same problem.
07:14:56	JdGordon	well, the next tracks aa is likely to be there on big buffer targets
07:15:00	JdGordon	unless you're running flac
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07:20:30	[Saint]	On a target with exactly 0% danger of overflowing the skin buffer...I opt for readable vs. saving a few bytes.
07:21:46	JdGordon	See, I completly disagree with you that your comment borders makes things easier to read
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07:25:09	[Saint]	Well, needless to say it'll be trimmed to suit if/when it makes it to svn (which, I really hope it does...at least until something better comes along)
07:27:14	JdGordon	got it
07:27:17	JdGordon	that wasnt so hard! :)
07:28:15	JdGordon	http://pastebin.com/WWPnGKNp <- look for lines with %vs and %vg
07:28:22	JdGordon	3 lines
07:28:32	JdGordon	you can fix the no aa side :)
07:28:41	JdGordon	it works pretty well too!
07:29:41	JdGordon	need to figure out the volume bar though
07:29:52	[Saint]	Awesome, coolies....and, thanks. I really needed to see it, so I could copy/expand on it.
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07:56:04	JdGordon	%?Tl(V, 10)<%vs(P,set,3)> <- that should be enough to make the volume popup stay open (V being the volume touch region)
07:56:08	JdGordon	but no worky
07:59:41	[Saint]	that pastebin gives "invalid paste id"
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08:06:29	JdGordon	Not My Yellow :)
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08:23:51	JdGordon	[Saint]: http://pastebin.com/TJ0yG8zS <- use it with svn and the volume bar works awesomely
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08:24:10	JdGordon	although finish it in time for devcon
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08:37:33	jhMikeS	[Saint]: I was just talking about reducing the transition count so that every time an unbuffered track is selected, the WPS doesn't switch away from AA arrangement, if an unbuffered track is selected while in non-AA arrangement but does have AA, then don't change from that setup until it's decided the track does have AA. (any clearer by now? :)
08:38:15	JdGordon	jhMikeS: no point, the full screen is redrawn on every track change and no-aa is assumed
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08:40:55	JdGordon	you mean assume AA if the previous one had?
08:41:55	jhMikeS	yeah, and not if the previous one didn't, playback can easily send the "ready" event
08:42:41	JdGordon	as long as it doesnt crash when it tries to get the AA that can be done
08:43:16	jhMikeS	if it doesn't actually have a handle, it tells it so anyway
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08:47:00	jhMikeS	maybe I should just get to trying to load tracks in one go rather than splitting them between metadata/other and make it all a bit simpler :)
08:49:34	jhMikeS	That way of doing was preserved during the rework and I don't know exactly why it was chosen in the first place
08:51:00	JdGordon	whatever makes more sense :)
08:52:24	jhMikeS	Sometimes none of it makes sense no matter what :D
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09:29:37	jhMikeS	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12127 <== if anyone had the AA not showing up issue
09:31:20	jhMikeS	pixelma: a heads up this time...I'm working on butchering the PCM system
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09:49:10	jhMikeS	stupid coldfire DMA has problems with auto-align and getting junk into the FIFOs which command aligned buffers :\
09:50:36	jhMikeS	the problem is most evident with small audio frames and being unboosted
09:57:59	JdGordon	[Saint]: the tabs are too thin on my phone
09:59:10	JdGordon	I tihnk the touch region should be bigger but the tabs dont need to be
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10:15:20	[Saint]	the touch region is a bit bigger than the tabs...quite a bit actually, but you've mentioned a few things now that make me think that my screen is better than most...which surprises me.
10:18:29	[Saint]	so, JdGordon...is that the whole thing done?
10:18:39	[Saint]	I'd just need to clean it up to add it to the tracker?
10:19:48	JdGordon	http://pastebin.com/eBJ4TBRw fixes the non-aa viewports
10:20:20	JdGordon	needs a bigger font in the sbs though :)
10:21:01	[Saint]	That seems to be a very personal thing...everyone else that tried it when I had the .sbs font a 50pt said it was way too big ;)
10:21:59	JdGordon	hmm... the volume bar needs a way to disapear forcefully
10:22:26	[Saint]	yeah, I thought that too...I think it's "good enough" as is, though.
10:22:30	[Saint]	(for now at least)
10:22:53	JdGordon	i find the left tab really hard to press
10:22:53	[Saint]	Compare it to the "real" RaaA theme of that res and it's a million times better even before these fixes.
10:23:09	JdGordon	dont like the playback controls in the sbs thougrh
10:23:16	JdGordon	they should be in a droptab too :)
10:23:35	[Saint]	I tired that, but the UI viewport is a real cow.
10:23:43	[Saint]	(when it's used conditionally)
10:24:05	[Saint]	Changing the UI viewport conditionally doesn't do a fullscreen redraw...so, it leaves artefacts
10:24:10	JdGordon	it shold be better with fixes from my WIP
10:25:36	[Saint]	you chose "V" as a %Tl identifier?
10:25:40	[Saint]	Gah! insanity! :P
10:26:24	[Saint]	"g" is the next unused identifier...tsk tsk :P
10:26:54	JdGordon	at least use 2 letters so you know what is an image, and what is a viewport, and what is a var
10:26:54	[Saint]	Anyway, aside from my irrelevant chiding of our differences in skin coding...what'd'ya think?
10:27:02	JdGordon	i like it
10:27:15	JdGordon	need to fix the tab sizes and font size, but i would be very happy with this as default
10:27:28	*	JdGordon waits for a 1024*600 version
10:27:29	[Saint]	Awesome. Have you managed to find all the touch areas? I guess looking at the code helps.
10:27:41	JdGordon	i havnt investigated much
10:27:48	JdGordon	i hate that aa goes to the playlist viewer thoguh
10:28:08	[Saint]	it's Hotkey
10:28:19	[Saint]	long press is playlist viewer iirc.
10:28:38	JdGordon	bah
10:28:54	[Saint]	Now that the popups are working, I can cut a few of them out...I added a lot to make it usable without the popups.
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11:13:02	jhMikeS	wodz\|work: (for logs I guess) low level PCM drivers shouldn't not have to have changes to accomodate it
11:13:07	jhMikeS	*should not
11:23:27	[Saint]	JdGordon: ...between the two of us...we just made a very, very beautiful thing.
11:24:10	*	jhMikeS gets terrifying images
11:24:15	[Saint]	(You probably won't like what I did to your identifiers though...I shared them where I could...but I added an "identifier legend")
11:24:39	[Saint]	Yes jhMikeS, we made a beautiful code-baby.
11:24:46	[Saint]	with our nerdy man-love.
11:25:35	jhMikeS	o_O
11:25:48	*	JdGordon admits no part of this
11:26:16	[Saint]	JdGordon: Over tonight and tomorrow I'll work on the 340X480 images (and the images for your tablet (they're half done) and following that, add it to the tracker.
11:26:55	[Saint]	this theme + svn timeout fix == awesome.
11:29:00	[Saint]	JdGordon: http://pastebin.com/cdsmVukt is what I came up with...it's a reasonable compromise between my coding style and yours.
11:29:07	[Saint]	(you probably won't think so ;))
11:30:04	[Saint]	I'll rename "BUTTONS" to "TABS", but I'm unsure of a more fitting name for "VOLUME FROM PRESS"
11:30:44	[Saint]	...not that it really matters, as that'll all be cut out if it makes it to svn anyway to keep the size and white/grey space down.
11:31:13	jhMikeS	if my PCM butchery works out then playing pcm from plugins while playing music should operate too (how well? can't tell yet :)
11:32:46	[Saint]	so I can have sound effects while playing doom while listening to death metal? :D
11:33:10	jhMikeS	of course
11:34:07	jhMikeS	it's not anything that's being deliberately done to make it work, it sort of just becomes doable it looks like
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11:42:11	JdGordon	[Saint]: can you make sure to use the setting font for the sbs and specify the font in the wps?
11:43:19	[Saint]	"the setting font"?
11:43:22	[Saint]	and yes.
11:43:31	JdGordon	the one set in the menus
11:43:35	[Saint]	Oh, right...gotcha.
11:44:10	JdGordon	I'd like a way to say "use any 15pt font for this viewport" and allow the user to configure which 15pt font they want
11:44:32	JdGordon	or be able to rewrite skins from a plugin to change parts of it
11:45:59	[Saint]	I guess I need to make the tabs conditional to %Tp (touch present) for the 240X320 theme...as I sincerely doubt there's any point in having a touch and non-touch theme for the same res.
11:46:10	[Saint]	...you think this has a decent chance of making it?
11:46:16	[Saint]	to svn I mean?
11:46:21	JdGordon	agreed, and yes
11:46:49	JdGordon	we should have a skin preprocessor to strip the touch stuff out in make zip :)
11:47:26	[Saint]	that'd be nice...but, it's probably less complicated to just code it properly to begin with :)
11:47:37	[Saint]	I didn't have non-touch targets in mind while writing this.
11:51:50	[Saint]	what's up with the themeing and customization sub-forum?
11:52:01	[Saint]	Last Post: N/A in N/A by N/A
11:52:33	JdGordon	akismet decided the whole forum was spam! :p
11:52:40	JdGordon	(probably not really the case)
11:52:43	[Saint]	hahahahahaha!
11:52:43	JdGordon	scorche`: ^
11:52:57	[Saint]	aw. that would've been mildly amusing.
11:56:26	jhMikeS	all of forums.rockbox.org?
11:56:58	jhMikeS	oh, themeing
11:57:00	[Saint]	nah, just the themeing and customization sub-forum has wacky last post details.
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20:51:36	Buschel	amiconn: nothing changed regarding IRAM configuration
20:53:23	Buschel	the refactoring of VLC tables has been changed for all targets of course
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22:05:48	bluebrother	Zagor: ping
22:05:58	Zagor	yup?
22:06:14	bluebrother	what do you think about enabling wiki markup in Flyspray?
22:06:28	Zagor	is that just a switch?
22:06:54	bluebrother	you need to edit a single line in a configuration file
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22:07:55	bluebrother	Zagor: see http://flyspray.org/manual:installation on the bottom
22:09:24	Zagor	ok, enabled
22:09:30	bluebrother	cool
22:09:45	bluebrother	should I try it? ;-)
22:09:58	Zagor	go wild :-)
22:10:37	bluebrother	oh, now there are a lot of deprecated warnings in FS
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22:12:56	bluebrother	works fine but the warnings are a bit annoying :(
22:13:16	*	bluebrother goes looking how the notification mail looks like
22:13:30	bluebrother	wiki markup. Pretty readable. Great.
22:14:09	bluebrother	Zagor: can you do something about the deprecation warnings? And btw, is our Flyspray installation current?
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22:14:24	Zagor	I doubt that
22:14:53	Zagor	though "current" is a matter of definition since flyspray hasn't released anything for three years
22:15:23	bluebrother	hmm. Not sure if that's good news.
22:15:49	bluebrother	can you edit php.ini? According to the web you can disable those warnings by setting "error_reporting = E_ALL ^ E_DEPRECATED"
22:16:28	TheSeven	E_ALL & ~E_DEPRECATED might be better if the definition of E_ALL changes in the future
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22:17:25	bluebrother	another site (wordpress related) tells to add error_reporting(0); to the top of the script
22:17:45	TheSeven	er, that's a bit too much
22:18:04	bluebrother	yeah, sounds a bit much
22:18:09	TheSeven	you would probably want to use error_reporting(E_ALL & ~E_DEPRECATED) there
22:18:26	bluebrother	especially the 0 as literal looks a bit strange
22:18:30	Zagor	umm, where is php.ini?
22:18:53	bluebrother	usually /etc/php.ini
22:19:19	Zagor	nope
22:19:22	TheSeven	bluebrother: well, 0 disables each and every error category. even fatal ones
22:19:38	bluebrother	doesn't FS let everything go through index.php? Then adding that error_reporting() at top of it might work
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22:20:15	*	bluebrother usually hates it when changing php.ini is necessary
22:20:16	TheSeven	...or adding it through a directory-level php.ini file
22:21:51	*	Buschel sighs
22:22:07	Buschel	there's so much float code in nsf codec...
22:22:31	bluebrother	so nsf is floating away? ;-)
22:22:35	*	Zagor finds six php.ini, all of which already have the recommended content...
22:23:35	bluebrother	urgh
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22:27:10	gartral	Hard freeze on Sansa e250 v1 when pulling usb and reinserting within ~3 sec, build r29887.
22:29:03	gartral	about too try too repeat with r29920
22:34:04	*	Zagor is adding error_reporting(0) to all kinds of places, to no effect
22:36:19	bluebrother	:(
22:36:27	gartral	Zagor: your going too whap me in a moment: are you defining it correctly? :(
22:37:23	Zagor	defining what, exactly?
22:39:00	gartral	error_reporting(0) looks like a function.. >.> i havent touched C in a while.. i might be babbling like a bafoon
22:39:13	Zagor	this is php
22:39:19	Zagor	so yes, you are :-)
22:39:20	gartral	oh >.>
22:39:37	*	gartral puts foot in mouth and shuts up
22:40:59	bluebrother	hmm, there's even an entry in the FS tracker about this: http://bugs.flyspray.org/task/1635
22:42:07	Zagor	I'm disabling dokuwiki for now. I'll try again later.
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22:42:43	bluebrother	hmm, found something talking about E_STRICT would make those warnings appear
22:43:06	bluebrother	Zagor: too bad. Thanks for the try anyway.
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22:52:06	TheSeven	Zagor: you'll probably have to fix it in php.ini
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22:52:21	TheSeven	those deprecation warnings are partially issued before the first line of code is even run
22:52:21	Zagor	oh, I did. all six of them.
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22:52:37	TheSeven	did you reload apache after that?
22:52:54	TheSeven	php likes to cache those things
22:52:57	Zagor	ah, no.
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22:56:21	Zagor	oh right, they were all already correct: error_reporting = E_ALL & ~E_DEPRECATED
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23:24:27	[Saint]	Torne: re the earlier post about self testing on device...did you ever get any further than "basic SMART reporting would be awesome"?
23:24:45	[Saint]	I remember you mentioning it vaguely, but not if you actually persued it or not.
23:24:47	Torne	i have a patch somewhere that does the SMART REPORT STATUS command on boot
23:24:54	Torne	That's probably useless thouhg
23:25:00	Torne	and i certainly have no way to test it
23:25:29	[Saint]	I guess it's "useless" in the sense that "if it's that bad, it probably won't boot anyway" ;)
23:26:23	Torne	Well it's useless in that it's just the drive's overall boolean status
23:26:28	[Saint]	I wonder how system intensive a full surface scan run by Rockbox would be...probably "very".
23:26:34	Torne	which i have never seen be anything other than healthy
23:26:55	Torne	useful checking would probably want to look at the drive attributes
23:27:03	Torne	which is way fiddlier due to there being absolutely no standards
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23:54:09	TheSeven	Torne: if you need SMART testing, I have an ipod with a certain broken drive :)
23:54:55	TheSeven	i've never seen its smart data so far, but I know that it's out of spare sectors, so I'd expect it to ring all alarm bells in the SMART report
23:55:02	Torne	you'd think that
23:55:11	Torne	but you know the report is one bit, right?
23:55:16	Torne	:)
23:55:25	Torne	i've never seen a drive that reports itself as not healthy
23:55:33	Torne	even ones with 100,000+ bad sectors
23:55:37	TheSeven	i could try :)
23:55:40	*	funman could have saved some for Torne
23:56:12	funman	my laptop always asked me to replace the hard drive immediately, until i changed the drive 3 years later
23:56:23	TheSeven	i've already seen multiple desktop drives reporting "expected to fail during the next 24h"
23:56:26	Torne	I bet that still doesnt' report as bad
23:56:44	Torne	TheSeven: Yup, that doesn't mean it's actually reporting its health as bad though
23:57:00	Torne	no software relies on that bit to judge the drive's health
23:57:15	Torne	they read all the attributes and rely on arcane speculation as to how they should be interpreted
23:57:15	*	TheSeven considers this message especially funny as the root cause of the problem was a bad sata power connector

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