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#rockbox log for 2011-05-26

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02:07:51*[Saint] wonders if anyone is able to test the RaaA builds he linked early this morning (my time).
02:08:34[Saint]specifically the 480X80 build...I'd really like someone to verify it installs/works correctly so I'm not putting a broken build up for testing.
02:09:27[Saint]480X900 build's link:
02:09:33[Saint]*800 too
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02:11:56JdGordon[Saint]: im testing.... turns out i put a 320x240 build on my phone last night accidentally
02:12:37[Saint]JdGordon: thanks, sonce you know how the theme works already, it's pretty much just "does it install".
02:12:39JdGordonsuch a pain in the ass with the different singing keys though
02:12:55[Saint]the sooner these are build by the farm, the better.
02:13:01[Saint]*built too
02:13:45[Saint]I suspect we either need one trusted machine for that, or to build up to make zip, then pass back to a trusted machine for the make apk/signing?
02:14:07*[Saint] admits to not really knowing how it could work "well" as yet. One trusted machine is probably best.
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02:14:57JdGordonyeah, something like that
02:15:23JdGordonohh.. you ship a english.voice!
02:15:31[Saint]I did indeed ;)
02:15:38JdGordonthats a nice/annoying addition :)
02:16:06JdGordontabs are broken
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02:16:46JdGordonno, it shuold be using my copy of the theme
02:16:56JdGordonyour copy is in the .zip?
02:17:14JdGordonwe need unionfs :)
02:17:57JdGordonyour boot logo sucks :)
02:18:47JdGordonok, your theme works fine
02:21:21[Saint]sucks is a strong word ;)'s..errr..."android-i-fied" :D
02:21:35JdGordonyes, it sucks!
02:21:51JdGordonand so by the trasitive property... so do you!
02:21:59*JdGordon ejoys being an asshat :)
02:22:59[Saint]unless you were running the patch anyway, you'll probably find no need to move this to uSD to save space/whatever.
02:23:12[Saint]the install is *tiny* when we dump what we can onto the uSD.
02:23:14JdGordonwhich pathc?
02:23:35JdGordonoh, it unzips to the sdcard?
02:23:48JdGordonhmm... then why on earth did the theme not work the first time?
02:23:49[Saint]Most of it, everything it can get away with and still run.
02:24:12[Saint]FS #12063
02:24:22[Saint](really should be committed IMO)
02:25:42JdGordonbluebrother doesnt want to apparently thuogh
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02:27:00[Saint]Oh? Hmm...I like the idea, especially for 240X320, as that gets all the regular default themes built by default, and the whacking great big ~7MB GNU Unifont.
02:27:09[Saint]it make sht e RaaA install ~20MB
02:27:58[Saint]with the patch, only ~3MB of internal storage is's a bug difference.
02:28:03JdGordonI still think that adding an rbutil activity (either in the rockbox.apk or a completly seperate apk) which can download themes and apk updates is the best way forward
02:28:05[Saint]*big too
02:28:36[Saint]JdGordon: I seem to remember suggesting that RaaA should handle that and getting shot down rather violently.
02:28:46[Saint]I thnk it'd only happen in a seperate .apk
02:29:18[Saint]widgets really need to be seperate .apk's too, so it can be moved to uSD and "just work".
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02:30:48[Saint]eeeeek! JSON!
02:30:54JdGordonbut yes, the most likely chance of this ever happening is a compeltly seperate project to do it
02:30:55[Saint](someone's braver than I ;))
02:31:51[Saint]side note about the widgets, seperate .apk's for them would allow them to be installed as needed, or removed if unwanted.
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02:32:08[Saint](which I think would be cool)
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02:36:10JdGordonwe should also use a specific rockbox track change broadcast message with as much info as possible and then have that seperate rbutil package pass it off to the various scrobbler apps
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02:42:28[Saint]Oh, that's 46pt for the .sbs sufficient/too big/just right?
02:42:29lampliterafter months of no problems, my sandisk e260v1 broke. it does not boot. the control ring lights but no screen and no response to button presses
02:42:34[Saint]JdGordon: ^
02:43:20[Saint](wrt fonts)
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02:43:49[Saint]lampliter: How have you verified that it's not booting?
02:44:07lampliterblack screen
02:44:18[Saint](afaik the only way to do this would be to load a Rockbox build with a .voice file included, and see if you get a voice prompt)
02:44:22lampliternon responding buttons
02:44:35[Saint]black screen doesn't *necessarily* mean it's not booting.
02:44:42lampliterwill not act as memory device on usb
02:45:08JdGordon[Saint]: yeah, the sbs font is good
02:45:18JdGordonwps tabs touch region still needs to be bigger
02:45:28JdGordonseriosuly, 1/4 of the horizontal width almost
02:46:01[Saint]wow...I find it hard to believe that some screens are *that* bad? Has it been calibrated?
02:46:33[Saint]my tabs on a 240 wide screen are ~15px, and I hit them accidentally all the time.
02:46:34lamplitergranted all of those things don't mean is not booting but that's the way to bet
02:47:15[Saint]JdGordon: I built it around what worked for my device, then scaled it up pretty much. I'll make them a lot larger.
02:47:17JdGordon[Saint]: the right one is ok (im right handed so hold it in my right hand) the left one is really hard to press
02:47:44[Saint]expecting all screens to be nicely calibrated is a little far fetched I guess ;)
02:48:27[Saint]lampliter: Can you power the device on/off as usual?
02:48:44lampliterno. I need to pull out the battery
02:49:00lampliterthe damn things that lit up in my pocket with no music for 45 minutes as I was on my no tunes exercise walk. :-)
02:49:02[Saint]But it doesn't recover after that I take it?
02:49:09lampliterNope it doesn't
02:49:23lampliterthe very first time it failed it came up with the splash screen from the hardware manufacturer but it has not splashed that way since
02:49:39[Saint]It really sounds like a hardware fault, I'm afraid.
02:49:48lampliterthat really sucks
02:50:30lampliter anyway I can extract the flash to recover whatever tunes I was foolish enough not backup?
02:50:47lampliterI've been going to a period of hard drive and laptop failures so my backup regime has been confused
02:51:05[Saint]Not if you can't get a machine to recognise it, no I don't think.
02:51:27lampliteris there anyway to do a factory reset?
02:51:41[Saint]Someone much more experienced with the device might have some magic up their sleeve, but it probably involves specialist hardware, if it is possible.
02:52:25lampliterProbably right that well, I can always go back and grab what I wanted from the infinite storage device, the intertubes
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02:53:24[Saint]I wouldn't give up on it completely...we have some *very* talented individuals floating around here.
02:53:41[Saint]It's just a time/effort/can I actually find "person X" thng.
02:53:50lampliterI have the last screw almost out. :-)
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02:55:46[Saint]If you haven't already, it would pay to post to our forums, as not everyone folows IRC, or if they do, have differing time-zones.
02:56:08[Saint]the benefit of posting the issue there is you don't have to actually be present for someone to respond.
02:56:45lampliterI will do that by the way do you know of any good deduplication software for music files
02:59:03lampliteralso if this thing is dead, I'm going to have to start hunting yard sales for a "new" MP3 player
03:02:52[Saint]There's plenty out there...but it depends on your requirements from a player of course.
03:03:20[Saint]If you want flash, and removable storage...I'd get a Fuze personally.
03:03:36[Saint]A large HDD player? either a iPod Video or a Classic
03:04:51[Saint]my preferred player is an iPod 4G with a 32GB CF card added...runs great.
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03:07:05[Saint]At the present, unless you find some rare gem in an obscure shop somewhere, the only player support you can buy new with much certainty is the iPod Classic, Clip+ is still available in some places too.
03:07:25[Saint]*s/player support/supported player/
03:07:38marazhow's the support for iPod Classic these days, I haven't followed
03:08:04[Saint]It's "working"'s a long way from "unstable", though.
03:08:05lamplitermy choice will be limited by what I find at a yard sale/flea market
03:08:39[Saint]lampliter: Probably some form of iPod, then.
03:08:43lampliterafter having gone through a rather nasty financial situation, I am taking a great deal of pride in never buying anything new if I can find a good whatever used
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03:09:13lampliterI think the only thing I won't be able to get that way is an energy-efficient flat screen TV with 120 Hz refresh rate
03:09:26lampliterthat is probably going to be a new device :-)
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03:13:53lampliterposted in the forum. thanks for the help
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03:22:40JdGordon[Saint]: can you do something about the playback controls on the sbs? if there is no music nothing should be displayed at all, not even greyed out
03:22:51JdGordonand if they *must* be there... the stop button shuold be the play icon
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03:28:37*[Saint] doesn't understand the last bit there.
03:28:42[Saint]Clarify please?
03:29:29[Saint]I can easily make them conditional to playback states...but, no other cabbie does that, and I didn't want to "break the mold".
03:29:47JdGordonthe mold is ugly and stupid :)
03:29:58[Saint](idea being, I want to get this in SVN...but with the DevCon agenda...I wonder if my work is futile?)
03:30:28[Saint]I'm scared of "Well...we looked at the way we want to do it, and it isn't this..."
03:32:02[Saint]My heart really dropped when I saw that come up on the I started pushing to get it finished and out for testing so (for lack of not wanting to lie about it) I could bias the outcome a little by having something already done.
03:32:51[Saint]Selfish?...probably. More like "fuck, I worked on this for months and it might get thrown in the crap bucket".
03:34:16[Saint]The sheer amount of trial revisions for layouts I've been through is....well, a lot. The version we're playing with now is r204
03:34:31JdGordonyou're actually using vcs? good man
03:34:52[Saint]My own system, it's not public, though it should be.
03:35:04JdGordonand no, i tinhk the issue is becauase we had no plan for updating cabbie for all the touch targets... i dont see any reason for this to not become the default
03:35:18JdGordonyeah, you really should put it on github
03:35:46JdGordonor ask Bagder to setup a git/svn host for it
03:36:12[Saint]I'll probably start over with what I have now as "r0", so that the revisions to it come directly from user feedback, not just me deciding "clean slate time, I messed up". ')
03:36:32JdGordonthats anal retentive and a waste of time
03:37:02[Saint]That's, me, unfortunately ;D
03:38:02[Saint]I kept spitting of branches of it, and going off into weird layout tangents...just wasting my time pretty much as I hardly ever look at anything I've created as being "good enough".
03:38:22JdGordonthats just silly
03:38:31[Saint]I'm *quite* satidfied presently, but I know it stills needs fix-ups here and there.
03:38:37JdGordonput it on github
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09:59:33n1s[7]: did you get any test results from others with usb problems and the patch?
10:06:39[7]only the results i already reported
10:07:36[7]i've still not heard of any nano2g problems... so i'd need some testers for that who are experiencing them
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10:12:17n1sah, ok. I want to do a side-by-side comparison of the classic and nano2g bootrom sometime to see if they do things differently but i don't have the time atm
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10:12:58n1sDid a patched emcore help for the people that had problems with the patch on nano2g's?
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10:19:10n1sthere's a bug report in the rb tracker about a nano2g user with usb problems that sounds like the ones i had but i haven't had any response to a post on that task for over a month
10:19:41n1shmm, s/over/about/
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11:02:35[7]n1s: i didn't manage to contact one of them either
11:04:23[7]if you manage to get hold of some of them, please point them to these files:
11:04:54[7]er, wait, that was for the ones with usb issues on the classic
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12:55:38n1si should try the fixed emcore on my classic too i suppose
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13:35:48[7]n1s: should work
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17:10:14bug2000sideral: Hey.
17:11:22bug2000sideral: I already deleted the backup :\ I don't really know what causes it, but it does happen from time to time.
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17:18:31sideralbug2000: We won't find out what causes it unless there's a way to reproduce it. ;)
17:18:31sideralDid the problem persist across reboots, or did it start out OK after reboot and get worse over the course of the session?
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17:22:26bug2000sideral: It's just kept that way.
17:23:13bug2000sideral: As in, as time passes, I think it just ignores the fact it got stuff in the database and re-adds 'em.
17:23:13Tornethere are commonly-suspected bugs in database updates
17:23:19Torneyou may find if you just do a full init of the db it doesn't do it :)
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17:27:03sideralbug2000: Did the number of dupes increase within on session? Or only after each reboot / autoupdate?
17:28:41bug2000sideral: I think it only happened on auto updates. But I really don't know.
17:31:29bug2000Torne: Ya, but then what do I gain over the original firmware in that matter?
17:31:29bug2000Torne: At least on the original firmware it's automatic forced initialize :P
17:31:29sideralTorne: I cannot fix the problem based on common suspicions. Next time you encounter (someone with) the bug, please ask him to provide some hard data
17:31:29bug2000sideral: Well, I have no clue how it happens :\ Sorry.
17:31:52sideralbug2000: I'll close your bug report now. If this happens again, you know what to do ;) and can ask here for it to be reopened, OK?
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17:32:28bug2000sideral: Ok. I hope it won't happen again though.
17:33:50Tornesideral: er
17:33:57Tornesideral: there's no use telling me that
17:34:34Tornei don't encounter people with the bug. i was just pointing out that this is a thing that's been observed before and that not updating appears to stop it happening
17:34:49sideralTorne: I know. There was no offense implied, I apologize if it came across awkwardly
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17:44:43sideralThis is actually one of the few DB-related issues that I have never run into, despite me being a heavy DB user
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18:25:22Luca_Shello everybody. i'd like to report a problem with the database on my fuzev2. db fully inited etc etc. in the Years view, if I select a specific year by long-pressing the center button, the playlist edit menu pops up but every option in there leads to a panic screen
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18:26:40Luca_SI found it yesterday when trying to create a playlist with music from 2010 and 2011. ultimately I got it working by entering the 2010 menu and long-pressing on the All tracks item
18:27:00Luca_Scan anybody else reproduce the problem?
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20:09:40mshathlonxpbertrik are you here? :)
20:14:35*mshathlonxp would like to ask comment about FS #12123
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20:16:34bertrikI noticed some differences in the source portions of the phrases of the language file, so I think it will be much work to get it fully and properly updated
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20:18:16mshathlonxplike... ?
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20:24:07mshathlonxpand if it is so bad, why the existing lituanian language isn't already deleted? :>
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21:02:15bertrikmshathlonxp, maybe someone else can have a look at it
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21:38:47*evilnick_B wonders offhand if the frontpage ought to be updated to show Cowon D2 (and D2+) or not?
21:40:01saratogaprobably a good idea
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21:54:18selectohhhow does one create a diff file for a brand new plugin? it returns "blahblah.c is not under version control".. sorry new at this.. googled to no avail
21:54:35selectohhie) i wrote a plugin, want to upload it to flyspray
21:54:42saratogaselectohh: svn add 'path to file'
21:54:57selectohhsaratoga: wouldn't that add it to the main build? am i allowed/supposed to do that?
21:55:02saratogathen it'll show up when you use svn commands
21:55:13saratogano, just your local build
21:55:24selectohhsaratoga: ah cheers
21:55:38saratogalocal checkouts are only sync'ed if you run 'commit', but you can't do that since you don't have write permission
21:56:35AlexPselectohh: Don't worry, whatever you do you can't affect SVN as you don't have access :)
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21:56:46selectohhsaratoga: sounds good. the svn thing kind of confuses me but that helps
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22:10:13mshathlonxpbertrik but what exactly you don't like in it?
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22:39:08kugeltagtree.c is horrible
22:42:38sideralkugel: when you've made your way through it, please explain it to me
22:43:20kugelthe worst thing is, the very few comments it has are mostly useless
22:43:37kugelno description of the functions or structs whatsoever
22:43:42sideralthat must be because it is to self-explaining?
22:44:23kugelnot in this case
22:45:06sideral:) I also have trouble groking that code. Still haven't understood how chunked browsing works, for example, or why DB updates aren't reflected immediately by the tag tree
22:47:57sideralkugel: do you have any specific question? I'm afraid I won't be able to help much with memory management, though
22:48:25saratogasome basic comments in tagtree.c would be nice
22:48:35saratogaeverytime i've wandered in there i've gotten hopelessly lost
22:48:59sideralso let's add some
22:49:25saratoga /*some random function # 3*/
22:50:39kugeltagtree.c is by far the one most difficult to understand for me (and I've seen playback.c, tagcache.c, dircache.c, ...)
22:51:13*sideral is awfully proud of his first and only achievement with tagtree.c: FS #12054 - Highlight each album's last-played track in database views
22:51:36saratogathe problem i had was that i have no where to start, nothing to build off of
22:51:39sideraltagcache.c isn't difficult ;)
22:51:47saratogaits just a bunch of functions that talk to other functions I also don't understand
22:52:23sideralsaratoga: the header file helps somewhat to understand the basic API
22:53:38sideralbut it's not commented either :)
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22:58:19sideralthe tagnavi.config parser isn't that difficult to understand; and neither is the tagtree_*_event logic. It's just the tree browser that's impenetrable
22:58:57sideralAh, so actually I have another achievement with tagtree.c: I implemented logical-OR queries for tagnavi.config
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23:04:29sideralAnd the tree browser stuff seems to predate tagtree.c, and also isn't specific to this file. In conclusion, tagtree.c is not to blame. QED
23:05:25sideralI should probably jump in there, split out the tagnavi parser, and comment a bunch of stuff I already understand
23:05:37kugelsideral: perhaps the parser could be separated?
23:05:51sideralthat's what I meant
23:06:40kugeloh I didn't read the sentence above yet :)
23:06:49kugelgood plan anyway! :)
23:08:57Slasherithe parser should be easily separated, it's only used during boot
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23:10:21sideralHi Slasheri! :) I love it when you jump into DB-related discussions like Kibo!
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23:11:29sideralCan you explain how chunked browsing works and which limitations it has? Does it support online sorting at all?
23:13:04Slasherisideral: i have some keywords on my hilight list ;)
23:13:39sideralYou probably *are* Kibo, aren't you? ;)
23:13:55Slasherichunked browsing depends on pre-sorted lists because it is used on very low memory targets
23:14:33Slasheriso it only works with those main tables containing artist, album etc.
23:14:59wtachican someone review commit FS #12121 and FS #12130?
23:15:00Strife89 So do we have a working patch at the moment?
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23:16:10kugelSlasheri: what's this uniqbuf? why doesn't tagcache allocate it on it's own?
23:16:51sideralSlasheri: where is the chunking implemented?
23:17:14Slasherisideral: basically tagtree makes multiple requests of N entries to tagcache when chunked browsing is in use. Idea is that not much cpu power is needed
23:17:20sideralStrife89: No
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23:19:06Slasherikugel: that buffer is used to eliminate duplicate entries in some query situations (now i dont remember exact details)
23:19:49kugelSlasheri: shouldn't tagcache allocate it? only tagtree.c actually sets it and there can only be one uniqbuf at a time
23:19:57Slasherihave to go to sleep now but i am still here :)
23:20:14kugeloh wait, it's tied to the search
23:20:37Slasheriit is only needed during search
23:20:40saratogawtachi: sure
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23:22:16sideralSlasheri: could a too small uniq buffer make the uniq process fail, yielding the dreaded "duplicate DB entries" problem?
23:22:32CIA-16New commit by saratoga (r29927): Commit FS #12130 - Fix ADX decoding on 64-bit systems by Sean Bartell. Fixes an incorrect assumption in the ADX decoder that sizeof(int) == 32 when ...
23:22:47kugel64k is a lot
23:23:14sideralBut some people have many files :)
23:23:25saratogawtachi: not sure about the gcc thing, I'll leave that for someone better aware of the build system
23:23:29n1swtachi: i have been meaning to commit fs#12121, it look fine but i wanted to run a test build, i'll do it tomorrow unless someone else gets to it first
23:23:36saratogabut it looks good to me
23:23:41kugelwe've seen the problem on players on which you just can't have so many files
23:24:08sideralkugel: I just wagered a guess :)
23:24:40Slasherisideral: hmm! in fact that could be possible
23:25:19saratogawtachi: where are you at with your project?
23:25:31kugelwtachi: perhaps the parameter types sould be changed accordingly?
23:25:31saratogawe should talk, i was out this week in asheville
23:25:51wtachisaratoga: still refactoring
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23:26:24wtachiI'm not sure how much stuff to remove, e.g. AAC features that are disabled
23:26:33saratogai wouldn't worry about those
23:26:45CIA-16r29927 build result: All green
23:26:49sideralkugel, Slasheri: maybe it's not the uniq buffer but some other buffer that's too small... What's the tempbuf in tagcache.c?
23:26:50wtachikugel: I'm sure there are long's all over the place that should be int32_t's
23:26:55saratogayou're refering to the bitstream stuff?
23:27:13wtachisaratoga: codec stuff in general
23:27:16kugelsideral: tempbuf is a large hack :)
23:27:51wtachiI've just been removing unused code
23:28:06saratogain general i wouldn't go out of your way to do that
23:28:26saratogawe should consolidate things where reasonably possible
23:28:53saratogabut its probably not a bad idea to avoid removing code unless you're completely sure we'll never want to use it
23:29:02saratogawhat were you looking at?
23:29:11n1swtachi: with code from other projects we try to not change it unless necessary to make suncing easier
23:29:29Slasherisideral: that is used to arrange tables during sort, but if tempbuf is too small, tagcache engine should fail
23:29:34wtachin1s: yes, but only a few codecs have active upstreams
23:29:54saratogawhat specifically did you want to remove?
23:30:00Slasherinow i am gone till tomorrow
23:30:07sideralSlasheri: good night
23:30:25n1strue but for example tremor was pretty much silent for 4 years and then got like a hundred commits in a few months
23:30:58AlexPsaratoga: could you pop into -gsoc?
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23:34:09wtachisaratoga: the old MDCT, libfaad/output.c, leftover files in libmad, etc.
23:34:25saratogais the old MDCT still in there?
23:34:38saratogayeah that should probably go
23:34:53saratogabut the libmad stuff and libfaad crap probably isn't worth the effort
23:35:35wtachiI've already removed a bunch, so I'll try to make a clean patch of what I have
23:35:39saratogathe only thing left in libmad worth touching at this point is synth.c, and i'm probably the only one whos ever going to do that again
23:36:59saratogaregarding factoring out bitstream stuff, how many codecs would that involve working on?
23:37:18saratogaas i recall, several already share that code (e.g. the WMAs)
23:37:35n1sseveral use the ffmpeg code
23:37:51saratogayeah but buschel (IIRC) combined some of them last fall or so
23:38:10n1syes, i poked at it a bit too
23:38:40saratogai can't remember, but i thought there were only a couple left and this would be a good, quick way to get a look at how the codecs are setup
23:39:57n1svorbis and mpa have their own i think and probably speex
23:40:25kugelsideral: it does indeed fail; you can repro it on a clipv1 with some 60k files on it
23:40:37wtachiI found ~15 files with some relation to bitstreams or coding
23:40:48wtachiI'm not sure how many can be refactored
23:43:41saratogafor now i would just worry about the ones that use the ffmpeg implementation (e.g. get_vlc, skip_bits. etc)
23:44:36saratogawtachi: btw, if you're digging through the guts of libmad I guess you're interested in some of the codecs themselves?
23:45:20sideralkugel: have you reproduced just uniq failing, or also DB entry duplication?
23:46:13kugelnot personally
23:46:22wtachisaratoga: I was just looking for unused code
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23:46:42saratogaok, just curious what you were thinking about
23:46:44wtachithough I'm learning bits and pieces about the codecs
23:47:10saratogaif you have questions, please ask me
23:47:15wtachiwill do
23:47:26saratogai've dug through just about all of the lossy codecs at least
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23:49:49sideralkugel: what exactly does fail?
23:51:28saratogaalso i'm pretty much always gtalk so if you have a question just ping me and i can get on IRC
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23:54:43kugelsideral: I dont remember
23:56:51kugelgevaerts: I finished my buffer_alloc, I will now start looking into audibuf[] accesses and then playback/buffering
23:57:15gevaertskugel: Ah, different sorts of fun? :)
23:57:36kugeltagtree was no fun :(
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