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00:25:35 | kugel | Zagor: honeycomb is 11, isn't it? |
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00:28:44 | Zagor | kugel: no, 11 is 3.0. honeycomb is some preview thing that for some reason got its' own sdk id |
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00:29:48 | kugel | Zagor: ah right, I rememeber there was a preview |
00:30:00 | kugel | but actually all, the preview, 3.0 and 3.1 are honeycomb :) |
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00:31:35 | pamaury | gps working \o/ |
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00:32:50 | bertrik | You found the data sheet? |
00:33:13 | pamaury | I have the sirf protocol manual but it's actually sending nmea data |
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00:33:26 | pamaury | I "just" needed to figure out the init step and the uart settings |
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00:35:36 | bertrik | hm, enabling wide bus mode for the internal sd memory on the clip v1 results in 70% faster read speeds for large reads |
00:36:47 | bertrik | but apparently this fails on some models, according to the source code comments. I wonder if it failed on the internal memory, or on the external memory. |
00:38:14 | bertrik | maybe the original fail has been fixed in the meantime |
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01:47:33 | romki | Hello. I just installed rockbox (stable) on a sansa clip plus. The playlists are saved in the root directory. So they don't appear in the catalog. As reported here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/8056 looks like. |
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01:55:36 | JdGordon | it isnt commited because it isnt really needed yet |
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02:24:42 | pixelma | any other RaaA on Android user having the impression to be able to hear buffering or so? At low volume in a calm surrounding I can hear noise which gets worse on track start and stop with actual silence at the actual track change. I first thought it was my hardware but the bit of silence makes me wonder if it's a software problem too |
02:30:31 | pixelma | hmm, the built-in player seems to have the same problem though |
02:31:03 | JdGordon | noisy flash like the sansas? |
02:31:30 | mystica555_ | i've never heard that sort of noise on my G1.. what kind of phone, and, have you tried the stock mediaplayer for comparison? |
02:33:11 | pixelma | JdGordon, reminds me of it yes, I notice sometimes on my c200 |
02:34:58 | pixelma | mystica555_: SE X10 mini pro, and that's what I meant with 'built-in'. I'm comparing right now |
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08:00:35 | [Saint] | kugel_: I realise it's *way* late....but, you rang? |
08:00:55 | [Saint] | (get back to me when you can if it's still important and/or valid/required) |
08:05:39 | [Saint] | bluebroth3r: Congrats, btw...the only major patch of yours left in my tree now is the resources on uSD one. I wonder if that could be a compile-time option that defaults off? Would that please the masses I wonder? |
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10:38:09 | bluebroth3r | [Saint]: what I could think of is asking the user on first startup where to extractthe data to. |
10:38:31 | * | [Saint] nods. |
10:39:00 | [Saint] | I probably don't understand all involved, but I just think it's a good idea to cram as much as possible onto the uSD |
10:39:43 | bluebroth3r | you can't do thatasasetting because atthat time Rockbox is starting - and you need to know where to extractto cirst. |
10:41:38 | [Saint] | assuming widgets end up as seperate .apks eventually and it's safe to move RaaA to the uSD on 2.2+ then the size of the isntall isn't too much an issue. |
10:41:55 | [Saint] | But 2.1 and under users will appreciate as much as possible on the uSD |
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10:54:05 | bluebroth3r | [Saint]: see mycomment in the FS task about the size thing. |
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11:19:45 | n1s | saratoga: about that tremor iram patch giving a speedup even if the codec is in riam already is probably because tremor does some extra copying to try to use iram efficiently on targets with small iram this is also the default configuration so "no choice" == small iram, see FS #11268 |
11:19:45 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11268 Optimization for tremor on targets that don't use iram. (patches, new) |
11:20:26 | n1s | i should probably try to see if i can fix and commit that patch |
11:21:05 | n1s | maybe it has been magically fixed by other things :) |
11:28:00 | CIA-58 | New commit by nls (r29962): Delete old unused macro. |
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11:31:16 | CIA-58 | r29962 build result: All green |
11:32:27 | amiconn_ | Stream ist online again: http://j-tv.me/ik1p0s |
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11:38:08 | bertrik | bluebroth3r, there's still a long-standing bug with the lcd/backlight on both the c200 and e200 |
11:38:22 | bertrik | I get a white screen when switching from "Off" to "On" |
11:39:04 | bertrik | So I think something is still not right between powering up/down the lcd and the backlight |
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11:39:54 | bertrik | (in relation to FS #9874) |
11:39:54 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9874 sansa - Make lcd_sleep work (patches, closed) |
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11:40:36 | b1uebrother | bertrik: feel free to reopen the task −− I'm not aware of such an issue and are trying to get the number of tasks down a bit so I might be a bit too trigger happy right now :) |
11:40:56 | n1s | bertrik: that's FS #10966 |
11:40:57 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10966 c200 v1 LCD doesn't turn on when changing Backlight setting from Off to On (bugs, new) |
11:41:17 | bertrik | ah yes, thanks n1s |
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11:44:50 | Zagor | what is the minimum android sdk level we require? |
11:44:59 | CIA-58 | New commit by kugel (r29963): Android: Greatly simplify the pcm callback mechanism on both, the Java and the C side. Should be more reliable now (if the old wasn't already). |
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11:45:15 | kugel | Zagor: 8 or 9 |
11:45:26 | Zagor | how do we find out? |
11:45:54 | kugel | by trying to compile with different versions :) |
11:46:03 | kugel | I'll try, I have a couple installed |
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11:46:40 | Zagor | level 8 is android 2.2. do we really require such a recent version? |
11:46:54 | pixelma | no |
11:47:05 | pixelma | it works on my 2.1 phone at least |
11:47:35 | kugel | Zagor: no, we have compatibility code for downto 1.5 |
11:48:00 | gevaerts | But we probably require it to *build* |
11:48:07 | CIA-58 | r29963 build result: All green |
11:48:07 | Zagor | gevaerts: ? |
11:48:38 | kugel | the build time requirement is higher than the runtime requirement |
11:48:47 | Zagor | oh, ok |
11:49:37 | kugel | 8 works |
11:49:56 | Zagor | I'll use that in the check then. thanks. |
11:50:58 | kugel | but clients will need to upgrade if we use new APIs, even if they're already available now, so it might be better to require the latest one |
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11:52:52 | Zagor | yeah, I guess it can't hurt. |
11:54:35 | amiconn | New stream url: http://j-tv.me/k4RnLZ |
11:54:48 | amiconn | Mr. Someone pulled the usb cable... |
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11:58:55 | kugel | GodEater: perhaps, but rather unlikely, your random stops are gone |
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12:00:14 | [Saint] | kugel: You pinged? |
12:00:34 | kugel | [Saint]: yea, can you try if latest svn fixes your audio problems? |
12:01:19 | [Saint] | yeah, will do. I need to sync up my tree after lots of recent commits anyway. I'll do it now. |
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12:09:50 | pixelma | Mr. Someone is here? Go catch him, he has stuff to do ;) |
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12:11:30 | pixelma | kugel: the audio problems seem to be fixed for me, it worked fine the 2 times half an hour stress test this night and morning |
12:11:46 | kugel | great |
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12:23:10 | amiconn | Hmm. X5 dualboot code is basically working, but not much luck with either firmware on my X5 at least |
12:23:57 | amiconn | The OF doesn't seem to like my SSD, and the rockbox part of the bootloader shuts down because of the on_button/ hold switch check |
12:24:37 | amiconn | That check conflicts with the way the dualboot code decides which firmware to boot |
12:25:26 | * | amiconn isn't sure how to solve that yet |
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12:26:09 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11735 move dbg_hw_info() to target tree (patches, new) |
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12:26:42 | bertrik | Did anyone bring an ipod accessory? |
12:28:53 | CIA-58 | New commit by bluebrother (r29965): Manual: describe key clicks feature. ... |
12:29:39 | CIA-58 | r29964 build result: 3 errors, 1 warnings (wodz committed) |
12:30:06 | bertrik | Zagor, I'm getting some perl warning on the rbtest client |
12:30:26 | Zagor | yeah, I'm fixing those now. going "use strict" even. |
12:31:15 | b1uebrother | isn't FS #10766 pretty similar to what skip length does? |
12:31:15 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10766 Enable Binary Skip / Search as an option for Skip Length (patches, unconfirmed) |
12:32:51 | CIA-58 | r29965 build result: 3 errors, 1 warnings (bluebrother committed) |
12:33:44 | CIA-58 | New commit by wodz (r29966): fix red |
12:37:10 | CIA-58 | r29966 build result: All green |
12:39:05 | pixelma | bluebroth3r: it's a bit different, I believe there was also a forum thread about it |
12:39:30 | pixelma | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25489.msg170454#msg170454 |
12:41:31 | amiconn | So how to solve the dualboot conflict on the X5? |
12:41:44 | amiconn | (also on the other iAudios) |
12:42:17 | amiconn | We cannot use another button than Power (or Remote power) without using the PCF code really early in the bootloader |
12:43:23 | amiconn | Patch is based on the last one in fs#5289 |
12:43:24 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5289 Dual Boot for X5 (patches, unconfirmed) |
12:44:23 | amiconn | But the rockbox part of the bootloader nowadays compares on button state with hold state in order to decide whether it has to shut down again |
12:45:13 | amiconn | Since you have to let go the On button in order to boot rockbox with that dualboot solution, it won't be pressed when the later code checks it |
12:45:37 | amiconn | -> Rockbox just says "Shutting down.." (and does it) |
12:48:32 | pixelma | rasher: seen http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12108 ? |
12:48:57 | pixelma | I first was confused because he used english as example but it also happens for other languages |
12:49:56 | [Saint] | kugel: after some very heavy stress testing with playback, I can confirm svn works for me. |
12:50:15 | kugel | awesome |
12:50:40 | [Saint] | lots of stops, starts, heavy seeking, forced rebuffer...everything that made it fail previously without a patched build now "just works". |
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12:52:50 | Zagor | bertrik: I made a mistake, you need to grab a new client manually: bertrik: I made a mistake. curl -O rockbuild.haxx.se/test/rbclient.pl |
12:53:04 | bertrik | ok, will do |
12:54:11 | [Saint] | so, is the official git repo up yet? |
12:54:20 | AlexP | yes, but it is a secret |
12:54:31 | amiconn | Hmm, the only solution I can think of is somehow save the state of the power buttons detected by the dualboot code, and use that in the rockbox boot code path later on |
12:54:48 | amiconn | That leaves the question how to handle this in a single boot bootloader |
12:55:32 | bertrik | [Saint], you know we already have a git mirror, right? |
12:56:00 | [Saint] | yes, but I was wondering if that one was going to be kept, if a new one started, <other>? |
12:57:53 | AlexP | tbc |
12:57:54 | CIA-58 | New commit by rasher (r29967): Fix problems.php not knowing that files are now in the rockbox subdir |
12:58:01 | b1uebrother | [Saint]: what's the state of FS #11717? I'd like to get that in |
12:58:02 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11717 RaaA (Or Similarly Large Target) Iconset (patches, unconfirmed) |
12:58:07 | Zagor | [Saint]: we'll start a new one |
12:58:18 | pixelma | rasher: nice, thanks |
12:58:53 | rasher | pixelma: Was an easy fix! |
12:59:32 | [Saint] | bluebroth3r: the consensus was that I needed to fix the rest of the iconsets to match before that went in. |
12:59:39 | [Saint] | (iirc) |
12:59:55 | [Saint] | ...I should probably get around to that. |
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13:00:04 | amiconn | Hmph. New stream url again: http://j-tv.me/iPbv2e |
13:00:12 | b1uebrother | I'd really like to (a) get a 24x24 icon set in and (b) close that task. |
13:00:15 | * | b1uebrother is on a closing spree |
13:00:47 | * | Zagor cheers for b1uebrother |
13:01:21 | b1uebrother | FS itself isn't the problem, it's the amound of outdated stuff that's in it (it still might not be the best tool, but well ...) |
13:01:31 | b1uebrother | still over 600 open issues :( |
13:01:54 | * | b1uebrother has an idea |
13:03:02 | * | b1uebrother goes closing all patches that do not have a real name attached |
13:03:56 | kugel | pamaury: I uploaded a dircache patch for dircache_copy_path() |
13:04:13 | b1uebrother | may I ask all Rockbox developers to put their real name in their FS profile? |
13:04:58 | bertrik | How about patches that add plugins? I've seen a few that I personally just don't care about that much, but could be useful to other people. And, being a plugin, it doesn't have much impact on the rest of the code. |
13:05:15 | AlexP | Loads of them are only one target etc. though I think |
13:06:00 | kugel | we once decided that we should have a low bar for plugins |
13:06:04 | pixelma | bertrik: any opinion on following his suggestion of changing "signal strength" to just "signal"? Sounds like a sensible solution to me and it currently takes up some space on small displays |
13:06:19 | pixelma | err... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12099 is what I'm talking about |
13:07:05 | bertrik | pixelma, fine with me |
13:07:07 | pixelma | I'd like to close the task for the rest of it |
13:07:54 | pixelma | it's really the problem with scrolling lines and dynamic content |
13:08:06 | bertrik | or maybe use "RSSI", but I guess a lot of people don't know what that means, so "signal" is fine. |
13:08:21 | amiconn | And again a new one: http://j-tv.me/mACZoy |
13:09:24 | pixelma | the µ is something we can't do for the built-in one though |
13:09:29 | pixelma | I guess |
13:09:49 | wodz | gevaerts: what about FS #10239? |
13:09:49 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10239 USB storage write caching (patches, new) |
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13:13:37 | pamaury | kugel: ok, I'll have a look |
13:14:18 | b1uebrother | any time set for building the tower bridge? |
13:14:57 | b1uebrother | we _need_ it to be a tower bridge this year! |
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13:15:00 | * | b1uebrother repeating himself |
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13:17:32 | Zagor | AlexP, bertrik: I'm afraid the test client has soiled your directories a bit. feel free to run "rm -rf build-*" |
13:19:09 | b1uebrother | anyone with H300 aware of the state of FS #9501? |
13:19:10 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9501 severe screen corruption on H300 (bugs, unconfirmed) |
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13:20:08 | bertrik | Zagor, it wasn't that bad for me. BTW, I'm still seeing "Use of uninitialized value $data in length at rbclient.pl line 167, <GEN0> line 6." |
13:20:33 | AlexP | bluebrother: I haven't seen any other reports, and it is old |
13:20:37 | n1s | bluebrother: Well we haven't heard any more from the reporter so it's impossible to develop a fix |
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13:21:50 | n1s | i remember a few people using a patch to slow down the lcd somewhat a very long time ago but i think that was committed |
13:22:42 | kugel | I'm going to commit FS #5153 |
13:22:44 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5153 Doom Scrollwheel Patch (patches, assigned) |
13:22:54 | kugel | it's a bit of a hack, but it's better than svn and better than closing it |
13:23:55 | CIA-58 | New commit by kugel (r29968): Accept FS #5153 - Doom Scrollwheel Patch ... |
13:23:56 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5153 Doom Scrollwheel Patch (patches, assigned) |
13:24:28 | n1s | yay for 5 year old patches :) |
13:24:30 | amiconn | It might be a problem to implement this for M3, but M5 should be easy |
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13:25:59 | * | pixelma scratches head a bit about what to do with the language string exactly if done correctly |
13:26:42 | n1s | pixelma: what are you doing? |
13:26:51 | pixelma | I don't want to change all languages because some translators may prefer a different word for that then |
13:27:11 | pixelma | n1s: changing "Signal strength:" to just "Signal:" for the radio screen |
13:27:16 | CIA-58 | r29968 build result: All green |
13:27:17 | pixelma | to shorten it |
13:27:58 | n1s | since the meaning changes the Right Thing would be to deprecate the old string and make a new one |
13:28:38 | n1s | Otherwise just chnge english and the translators will get a "source changed" notice on the next update |
13:29:11 | kugel | n1s: 6239 was actually accepted right (in r14517)? I'm going to close it |
13:29:15 | pixelma | yes, is there a difference to getting "this string doesn't exist" message? |
13:30:00 | n1s | kugel: no idea |
13:32:14 | n1s | pixelma: yeah, the source changed message pops up by the already present translation which might save the translators some work, perhaps |
13:32:20 | b1uebrother | rasher: is FS #11783 still an issue? |
13:32:21 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11783 Themesite not accepting %T with setting_inc or setting_dec (bugs, unconfirmed) |
13:32:58 | rasher | Absolutely no idea. I haven't been involved with that code at all |
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13:33:53 | MonGoliat | Hi, anyone here good with Terminal? |
13:34:15 | * | kugel added a comment to FS #8668, it should be closed IMO |
13:34:15 | [Saint] | I'd say a few of us are, yes ;) |
13:34:16 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8668 battery runtime: experimental gui boost (patches, assigned) |
13:34:25 | MonGoliat | Cool! =D |
13:34:56 | MonGoliat | Im having trouble with the terminal part in the manual install of RB on my Sansa Clip+ |
13:35:19 | [Saint] | what are you having trouble with specifically? |
13:35:36 | MonGoliat | When i run the mkamsboot-mac it sais "Could not open bootloader-clipplus.sansa for reading" |
13:36:19 | MonGoliat | any idea why that acurrs? |
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13:37:14 | wodz | permissions problem probably |
13:37:25 | MonGoliat | how do i set the permition? |
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13:37:33 | GodEater | or the bootloader isn't in the same directory? |
13:37:51 | MonGoliat | It is in the same direcory as the rest of the files. |
13:38:09 | n1s | kugel: it seems it was committed in r18046 by sdoyon himself actually so yeah, closing it was fine |
13:38:39 | [Saint] | what do you mean by "mkamsboot-mac", should it not be either mkamsboot,exe or ./mkamsboot? |
13:38:47 | * | n1s does not like tasks that have multiple patches doing different things |
13:39:15 | GodEater | doesn't the mac version have a different name? |
13:39:29 | [Saint] | if it does, the manual has no idea of it. |
13:39:31 | MonGoliat | the file I got out of the mkamsboot.dmg was a called "mkamsboot-mac" |
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13:40:03 | GodEater | seems reasonable to me then |
13:40:29 | GodEater | so what permissions are on the .sansa file currently? (hint: 'ls -l *.sansa') |
13:40:37 | MonGoliat | The manual actualy said ./mkamsboot but that didnt make any sense.. |
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13:41:24 | AlexP | It does for linux |
13:41:31 | AlexP | And the installation section is the same |
13:41:43 | MonGoliat | Ah... |
13:41:45 | AlexP | We could either separate the linux/mac bits, or rename the mac binary |
13:41:46 | GodEater | who built the .dmg - do we know? |
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13:42:35 | b1uebrother | Zagor: do we have wiki markup in FS again? |
13:42:39 | MonGoliat | the permission? Im a total terminal dim-wad so I dont know how to check. |
13:42:48 | Zagor | b1uebrother: no |
13:42:55 | AlexP | MonGoliat: He gave you the command :) |
13:43:00 | AlexP | ls -l *.sansa |
13:43:14 | MonGoliat | *slaps his face* |
13:43:18 | b1uebrother | Zagor: interesting, I just saw something that looked like that in a task :) |
13:44:32 | * | [Saint] is driven insane by why RaaA causes haptic feedback events on shutdown |
13:44:45 | [Saint] | (either via the main menu, killing the task, or idle shutdown) |
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13:44:59 | [Saint] | it's the only app on my handset that does this. |
13:45:12 | GodEater | [Saint]: doesn't do it on my phone :P |
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13:45:20 | AlexP | Nor mine |
13:45:29 | [Saint] | I've seen a Glaxy Tab user report it too. |
13:46:00 | [Saint] | also the same "RaaA doesn't show up as a task in the task manager unless there's playback, and sometimes not even then" thing. |
13:46:02 | kugel | Nor mine :) |
13:46:18 | b1uebrother | GodEater: from reading the description this sounds like the issue you're experiencing? FS #12006 |
13:46:19 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12006 Android: OGG, SPX, MP3 playback problem (bugs, unconfirmed) |
13:46:22 | [Saint] | perhaps more crazy Samsung voodoo |
13:46:30 | pixelma | n1s: well, so go for "source changed" or "doesn't exist", I'm a bit confused by your answer |
13:47:01 | GodEater | bluebrother: nope |
13:47:09 | GodEater | it's not about playback starting on my phone |
13:47:14 | n1s | pixelma: i think source changed is fine for this |
13:47:14 | GodEater | it's playback stopping randomly mid-track |
13:47:24 | GodEater | although I've not had that problem since kugel's commit this morning |
13:47:30 | GodEater | so fingers crossed :) |
13:47:38 | MonGoliat | Ehmm. I think i managed to check the permission. is "staff" a valid answer? |
13:47:44 | GodEater | no |
13:47:48 | GodEater | paste the entire line you got back |
13:48:03 | MonGoliat | -rw-r−−rw-@ 1 myname staff 44948 Jun 4 19:54 rbinstall/bootloader-clipplus.sansa |
13:48:10 | kugel | [Saint]: we just decided to ignore all weirdness on your "madness ROM"/phone |
13:48:27 | GodEater | MonGoliat: can you type "pwd" now please? |
13:48:38 | AlexP | kugel: That's an official devcon decision :) |
13:49:02 | b1uebrother | yay, we're down to less than 600 open tasks! |
13:49:19 | AlexP | Tower time! |
13:49:36 | [Saint] | huh....interesting. |
13:49:47 | b1uebrother | AlexP: Tower Bridge! |
13:49:52 | [Saint] | it's the buffer/audio stop patch causing it. |
13:50:07 | AlexP | Always test SVN before reporting! |
13:50:09 | MonGoliat | pwd? |
13:50:17 | [Saint] | svn from prior to that commit breaks audio...but no haptic feedback. |
13:50:20 | GodEater | "Present working directory" |
13:50:29 | GodEater | just type it in the terminal and tell us what it says |
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13:50:36 | [Saint] | AlexP: it's a patch just committed |
13:50:49 | AlexP | [Saint]: I missed a :) :) |
13:51:24 | MonGoliat | ehm.. could you please us terms i understand? dos pwd mean /rbinstall/? |
13:51:43 | AlexP | It means type "pwd" |
13:51:48 | [Saint] | I had an older version of it in my tree for ages to make audio work...never assumed that could cause bloody haptic feedback events on shutdown. |
13:51:53 | [Saint] | looking at it, nor should it. |
13:52:01 | [Saint] | yet, it apparently does. |
13:52:15 | MonGoliat | "/Users/*username* " |
13:52:15 | [Saint] | Yep....madness. Samsung voodo. :/ |
13:54:30 | GodEater | that doesn't look very literal output |
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13:54:55 | MonGoliat | ehm... cuz i dont wanna write my full name here |
13:55:00 | [Saint] | 29960 (clean) == broken audio but no haptic feedback event on shutdown, 29961 (clean) == fixed audio and haptic feedback events approximately ~2 seconds after shutdown. |
13:55:00 | Zagor | how do you group commands in bash? |
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13:55:38 | MonGoliat | "/Users/myfullname" |
13:55:50 | GodEater | MonGoliat: paranoid much? :) |
13:56:07 | Zagor | "echo foo && echo bar >> logfile" only outputs "bar" to the logfile |
13:56:12 | MonGoliat | not much, just enough. =p |
13:56:22 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
13:56:29 | GodEater | ok - type "cd rbinstall", then "ls", and then cut and paste the full output to http://pastebin.ca/ - and then tell me what link pastebin gives you |
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13:59:51 | GodEater | the Tower Bridge of Rockbox has started construction :) |
14:00 |
14:00:00 | GodEater | unfortunately it's out of sight of the webcam |
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14:01:52 | GodEater | MonGoliat: srsly dude - paste it in the channel |
14:04:18 | Zagor | ahh, finally successful android build |
14:04:31 | MonGoliat | http://pastebin.ca/2075031 |
14:04:49 | GodEater | MonGoliat: what command did you type earlier to run this? |
14:05:00 | GodEater | (the mkamsboot-mac bit) |
14:05:12 | MonGoliat | non. U just typed what you told me to. |
14:05:30 | MonGoliat | I started a new terminal window |
14:05:36 | GodEater | so how did you get the message about not being able to open the file? |
14:05:58 | MonGoliat | dunno... |
14:06:17 | GodEater | did you run mkamsboot or not? |
14:06:20 | MonGoliat | Ive tried again and now the message says permission error |
14:06:22 | GodEater | I'm serisouly confused now |
14:06:31 | GodEater | what message? |
14:07:25 | MonGoliat | http://pastebin.ca/2075036 |
14:08:09 | GodEater | right |
14:08:17 | GodEater | so you're running the command from the wrong directory |
14:08:39 | GodEater | you'll note there is NO mention in that message about the wrong permissions |
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14:08:55 | GodEater | so please try to report *exactly* what you read, not invent messages ;) |
14:09:00 | MonGoliat | I was the last time i trired. Had do try again. |
14:09:16 | GodEater | do you still have the terminal open from when I told what to type? |
14:09:29 | MonGoliat | no. sorry |
14:09:44 | GodEater | why on earth did you close it? |
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14:09:48 | MonGoliat | I though I did the same thing both times. Apparently didnt |
14:10:06 | GodEater | ok so in whatever one you have open currently |
14:10:12 | GodEater | please type "cd rbinstall" |
14:10:20 | GodEater | and then "./mkamsboot-mac clppa.bin bootloader-clipplus.sansa patched.bin" |
14:11:35 | MonGoliat | thanks! |
14:11:41 | MonGoliat | I got the pached.bin now |
14:11:47 | GodEater | \o/ |
14:12:19 | MonGoliat | GodEater! Thanks for your patience |
14:12:37 | GodEater | ymw |
14:13:41 | GodEater | btw, is that *you* burying the dead naked chick? |
14:14:55 | Zagor | bertrik: are you still getting warnings in the latest build round? |
14:15:05 | MonGoliat | borrowing? |
14:15:31 | MonGoliat | What? |
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14:15:42 | bertrik | Zagor, no, revision 47 seems to give no warnings anymore |
14:15:47 | Zagor | good |
14:16:20 | GodEater | I said burying, not corrowing |
14:16:22 | Zagor | I think we're good to go live with this version |
14:16:23 | GodEater | *borrowing even |
14:16:53 | MonGoliat | ARe you reffering to the photographer with the same name as me? |
14:17:13 | GodEater | maybe ;) |
14:17:23 | GodEater | just having a little fun with you |
14:17:52 | MonGoliat | I got that. :p |
14:17:57 | kugel | Zagor: awesome |
14:18:52 | bertrik | What's actually different between the new and the current build client? |
14:19:19 | Zagor | the client isn't so different, chiefly added android tool check. the server has changed more. |
14:19:35 | Zagor | to make it more generic and expandable |
14:19:49 | Zagor | "fit for public consumption" :-) |
14:20:06 | MonGoliat | I now have RB running. Finaly, som volume! |
14:20:34 | GodEater | \o/ |
14:21:12 | MonGoliat | Any must have plugins or themes? |
14:21:29 | GodEater | you have all the plugins already |
14:21:43 | GodEater | themes are entirely a personal preference, so bit of a pointless question imo |
14:22:02 | GodEater | I never bother with them anyway. I use Rockbox to listen to music, not to admire the pretty pictures ;) |
14:22:12 | * | GodEater runs away from [Saint] |
14:22:23 | MonGoliat | :) |
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14:23:10 | [Saint] | it's a Clip isn't it? |
14:23:24 | [Saint] | No pretty pictures to be had there :P |
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14:23:38 | MonGoliat | :P |
14:25:14 | GodEater | I thought pictureflow worked on it? |
14:25:23 | GodEater | (badly) |
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14:26:41 | [Saint] | Ah, yes...it does. that's right, plugins can use greylib but not the core. |
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14:27:06 | * | [Saint] learnt that a few days ago so it's still embedded. |
14:27:45 | Zagor | we have the best tower ever this year |
14:27:55 | Zagor | with a london theme |
14:27:56 | GodEater | Tower Bridge of Rockbox is complete!!! |
14:28:46 | [Saint] | pics! |
14:29:16 | GodEater | on their way |
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14:33:27 | Buschel | n1s: what do you think of FS #12146 ? if someone could verify the patch on a Coldfire target it is fine to commit imho. nice finding |
14:33:28 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12146 Fix libcook bugs introduced in r22055 (patches, unconfirmed) |
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14:38:24 | n1s | Buschel: yeah, it looks good, i can test on cf in a while |
14:38:43 | n1s | in fact, that cf asm could be faster :) |
14:39:33 | Buschel | then you should make it faster and submit the whole thing :) |
14:39:47 | n1s | yeah, i'll do that |
14:40:30 | bertrik | bluebroth3r, saratoga : how about creating a new clip+ bootloader ( http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=27926.0 ) ? |
14:40:52 | bertrik | What's the work involved? Just someone building it and uploading it to xxx.rockbox.org? |
14:42:18 | n1s | bertrik: you should tag it in svn too |
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14:48:13 | * | [Saint] has a WIp that drops both "popup tabs" but still keeps the "popup windoes" available. |
14:48:23 | [Saint] | windows too |
14:48:55 | [Saint] | (I also moved the volume popup window permanently and solely to the volume icon. |
14:48:57 | [Saint] | ) |
14:49:44 | wodz | bertrik: what is the story of FS #11767? |
14:49:44 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11767 Meier crossfeed (patches, new) |
14:50:05 | [Saint] | If I address the font...that *should*, in theory, be the immediate concerns of everyone (that I'm aware of) taken care of. |
14:50:20 | [Saint] | GodEater: Anything I'm forgetting? |
14:50:33 | [Saint] | the tabs and the font were your two major piss-offs? |
14:51:35 | [Saint] | I'm not sure if I'll have it clean enough to make a "release" just yet...the theme is spattered with test code, but I'll continue it through the night. |
14:52:31 | Buschel | n1s: do you see anything that might speak against accepting FS #12143? the patch seems fine for me and saves some binsize |
14:52:31 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12143 Clean up the NSF codec (patches, unconfirmed) |
14:52:51 | [Saint] | Oh...one minor thing remains is blocking the alternate popup window from opening if/when the other is open...but this is possible iiuc, I just have to find the right magic to get things firing at the correct time. |
14:53:22 | n1s | Buschel: i haven't looked at it but it sounds fine to me |
14:53:55 | [Saint] | AlexP: I should point that out to you also, of the above listed things I mention...anything else you remember that I'm forgetting? |
14:54:39 | [Saint] | (Oh...yeah, I fixed the spacing inthe lists up for the UI viewport in the 480x800 theme too...again, I've just got these changes locally though, not public, yet) |
14:55:38 | [Saint] | Even if it has a short shelf life...I think there's a chance this theme *can* be shaped into something quite usable 'til there's a full native alternative. |
14:56:22 | [Saint] | *s/quite usable/quite usable for all/ |
14:58:20 | bertrik | wodz, I'm still undecided about the meier crossfeed, I found a bug in the coefficient calculation, but people seem to like to old version better with the bug still in it, so I have to make a choice between the old or new one. |
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15:01:18 | * | Zagor crosses his fingers and starts the new buildserver |
15:06:46 | bertrik | I get "Unterminated <> operator at rbclient.pl line 1." |
15:07:16 | Zagor | wonderful... |
15:07:22 | bertrik | that's a piece of html |
15:08:06 | bertrik | http://pastie.org/2022342 |
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15:09:02 | Zagor | yes, I saw that too. looks like every client got that for some reason. |
15:09:23 | Zagor | nice of viewvc to croak right now... |
15:09:35 | Zagor | you need to grab it manually: curl -o rbclient.pl "http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/buildserver/rbclient.pl?revision=29971" |
15:10:51 | bertrik | I get a warning "Use of uninitialized value $buildmaster in concatenation (.) or string at rbclient.pl line 41." |
15:12:54 | CIA-58 | New commit by nls (r29973): FS #12146: Fix libcook bugs introduced in r22055 by Sean Bartell. |
15:12:54 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12146 Fix libcook bugs introduced in r22055 (patches, unconfirmed) |
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15:17:03 | Zagor | bertrik: yeah, I saw that too. so even if viewvc hadn't broken the farm, I would have :-) |
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15:24:39 | Zagor | ok, update manually again: curl -o rbclient.pl "http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/buildserver/rbclient.pl?revision=29974" |
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15:29:14 | Zagor | this applies to *ALL* build client owners. you need to manually update rbcient: curl -o rbclient.pl "http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/buildserver/rbclient.pl?revision=29974" |
15:29:23 | Zagor | this is not a drill :-) |
15:29:55 | bertrik | ok, I have two clients upgraded |
15:32:21 | bertrik | I guess we lost roolku's farm for the time being :| |
15:33:59 | Zagor | yes. I'm writing a mail to the rbclient list now |
15:38:20 | GodEater | updated ;) |
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15:47:10 | JdGordon | someone mentioned wanting to enforce a commit style with git... how are we going to do that if we want people to commit locally for us to pull instead of us apply patches? |
15:51:49 | Zagor | we can't ask to pull. most people don't have servers we can pull from. |
15:52:39 | JdGordon | I figure alot would clone to github |
15:52:42 | bertrik | Zagor, I got another "Use of uninitialized value $data in length at rbclient.pl line 168, <GEN0> line 18." with version 47 of the client |
15:52:45 | JdGordon | or similar |
15:52:46 | B4gder | well, most people could post to github etc |
15:52:57 | Zagor | B4gder: true, that would work |
15:52:57 | B4gder | but I don't think we need to do it that way |
15:53:23 | Zagor | yeah, that's only for patches. committers will push themselves. |
15:53:27 | B4gder | I prefer us all pushing, as that's more similar to how we've worked in the past |
15:54:09 | JdGordon | was a timeline discussed? |
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16:04:14 | JdGordon | petur: you didnt add anything skin related for the hystogram changes right? |
16:08:16 | JdGordon | doesnt look like it. do i assume you dont plan to? |
16:08:40 | JdGordon | (which would be the only way it is useable for playback... unless i've misread the commit) |
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16:54:37 | petur | JdGordon: no, one thing at a time.... |
16:54:52 | petur | and I'm not into skinning anyway ;) |
16:55:25 | petur | maybe wait until I also added another new peakmeter feature which allows them to work vertically :) |
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17:22:34 | Buschel | does anybody have an idea why FS #12147 results in a codec speedup? I thought as3525 targets have the whole codec in IRAM |
17:22:35 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12147 Assigns bigger IRAM for libtremor (patches, unconfirmed) |
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17:24:54 | bertrik | does it indeed result in a speedup? |
17:25:05 | bertrik | the clipv1 is very memory-limited IIRC |
17:26:03 | Buschel | well, the author *states* the patch speeds up the codec on his clip+ |
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17:44:16 | kugel | Buschel: I suspect he did something wrong |
17:44:43 | Buschel | kugel: maybe... |
17:44:59 | Buschel | does anybody have a clip+ to verifiy? |
17:45:18 | kugel | codec is entirely in IRAM already |
17:45:22 | kugel | we have some clip |
17:45:40 | kugel | clip+ here, but there's no need if you ask me. could also compare the map files |
17:47:39 | Buschel | good point. is it possible that his patch changes the memory layout (e.g. moving an data array to another position in IRAM)? |
17:49:43 | Buschel | this could maybe affect chaching |
17:50:02 | Buschel | caching, of course :/ |
17:50:59 | n1s | Buschel: i think i know why |
17:51:24 | n1s | i wrote for saratoga this morning |
17:51:31 | n1s | "n1ssaratoga: about that tremor iram patch giving a speedup even if the codec is in riam already is probably because tremor does some extra copying to try to use iram efficiently on targets with small iram this is also the default configuration so "no choice" == small iram, see FS #11268" |
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17:52:02 | n1s | the same happens on targets that dont have or use iram at all |
17:52:14 | n1s | wastes about 2MHz on the beast |
17:53:18 | bertrik | Is there a way to tell if the LCD is on? I'd like to stop the polling of the radio tuner chip if the lcd is off to avoid interference on the clip+ |
17:54:38 | n1s | extern bool lcd_active(void); sounds probable |
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17:56:50 | bertrik | hm, the radio stuff is polled from the skin_engine, so it gets a little trickier to make it stop polling I guess |
17:59:44 | pixelma | lcd updates are also audible on stations with bad reception on the ondio and the FM Recorder - which has a system to stop lcd updates (enabled by a button press - the "freeze" button, but that's not possible on the Ondio due to lack of buttons |
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18:00:25 | Buschel | n1s: where is this copying hidden? I cannot believe 2 MHz are consumed by copying within the init-routines. |
18:01:06 | pixelma | turning off the lcd completely won't be too nice because it's nicely readable |
18:01:50 | pixelma | I'm not sure if it's still working though, the FM Recorder is a rare target and of the ones I know, only LinusN has one IIRC |
18:02:04 | bertrik | I suppose the LCD on the ondio and FM recorder takes almost no power (no backlight), right? |
18:02:39 | amiconn | Actually on the newer Ondio FM (Philips tuner) it isn't that bad, but both the older Ondio FM and the FM recorder have a Samsung tuner, and there interference is really bad |
18:02:44 | bertrik | I'm not completely sure if the interference is caused by the display update, or by access over i2c to the tuner chip |
18:02:50 | pixelma | the FM Recorder has backlight, only stock Ondios don't. Mine does thoguh |
18:02:53 | pixelma | *though |
18:03:15 | amiconn | We even go as far as slightly shifting the MAS PLL when the FM frequency would otherwise be a harmonic of it |
18:04:08 | amiconn | This does have a noticeable effect |
18:04:22 | bertrik | funny, the tuner in the clip+ has a similar problem, it thinks there's a strong station at 96 MHz, probably a harmonic of the 24 MHz main crystal, I guess we can't do anything about this. |
18:05:18 | bertrik | the OF seems to have a work-around for this, effectively ignoring detected stations around 96.0 MHz |
18:05:40 | n1s | Buschel: see FS #11268, iirc it copies blocks to iram before running the mdct on them or somesuch so it's not just a start up cost |
18:05:41 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11268 Optimization for tremor on targets that don't use iram. (patches, new) |
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18:07:40 | n1s | look for iram_pcm_doublebuffer in block.c |
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18:08:10 | n1s | the patch fixing this used to cause a problem on sims i couldn't figure out but i haven't looked at it for a year |
18:08:43 | Buschel | n1s: now I got it! thanks :) |
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18:10:18 | Buschel | n1s: so, the patch itself is somehow correct. because now the codec *assumes* its iram is large enough |
18:11:23 | Buschel | are there any other targets / CPU's which completely have the codecs in IRAM? |
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18:26:01 | keyb_gr | bertrik: Have you ever tried obtaining a current RDA5802(E) datasheet @RDA Micro? (Think they're at 3.0.) Otherwise I'll fill out their little form now. |
18:27:14 | bertrik | I found a more recent datasheet on a chinese web site (I think it was pudn.cn or something similar), I couldn't download the pdf, but the contents looked the same as the pdf we do have. |
18:27:23 | Buschel | n1s: do you want to search for a better solution or is FS #12147 good enough to submit? |
18:27:23 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12147 Assigns bigger IRAM for libtremor (patches, unconfirmed) |
18:27:24 | bertrik | I haven't tried asking RDA |
18:28:06 | bertrik | (or whoever made that chip) |
18:31:08 | keyb_gr | OK, gave it a shot. Haven't seen a 2KB/s download in a while. Aww, great, that's the first page of rev 1.7. ;-/ Oh well... |
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18:34:22 | keyb_gr | So no progress on these undocumented registers yet. |
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18:50:14 | Buschel | kugel: I just recognized you closed FS #8668. I disagree. The gui boost works very well for several people, and especially the 24 MHz clock gains lots of battery runtime. imho it is good to keep this open and visible |
18:50:15 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8668 battery runtime: experimental gui boost (patches, assigned) |
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19:45:37 | Buschel | kugel: any comment? |
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21:29:54 | n1s | Buschel: I don't think FS #12147 is the right aproach, i'd like to take another look at the thing and see if i can fix my patch |
21:29:55 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12147 Assigns bigger IRAM for libtremor (patches, unconfirmed) |
21:30:13 | * | n1s wonders if stripwax is around much anymore |
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22:18:32 | CIA-58 | New commit by nls (r29975): Safe part of FS #11268, saving some codec buffer space for targets that don't use separate iram. |
22:18:33 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11268 Optimization for tremor on targets that don't use iram. (patches, new) |
22:19:17 | n1s | hmm, that does in fact not save any space yet, just the copy... |
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22:31:14 | Buschel | n1s: goal of FS #11268 is to be able to set TREMOR_USE_IRAM only in case the codec uses both IRAM and DRAM, right? for as3525 this define will not be set, to avoid the extra copy? |
22:31:15 | bluebrother-bot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11268 Optimization for tremor on targets that don't use iram. (patches, new) |
22:32:21 | n1s | Buschel: yes |
22:33:27 | Buschel | the naming of the #define is a bit misleading imho, but not worth changing when commented reasonably ;) |
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22:34:37 | n1s | the special case with codec buffer in iram is handled like it's not in iram everywhere, so USE_IRAM is unset and the various ATTR's expand to nothing |
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22:36:18 | n1s | but sure i can add a comment |
22:38:02 | n1s | i'm looking for the bug in the patch atm, but haven't gotten any furter |
22:38:03 | Buschel | would be a good idea as this dynamic special handling (using the result of iram_malloc()) not common. |
22:38:33 | n1s | yeah, that is nbot my creation |
22:39:29 | Buschel | it is not bad, it is just special. libfaad might get more efficient with such handling as well. but not much. |
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22:41:16 | Buschel | n1s: the residual (sporadic) bug is the noise when skipping back to the beginning |
22:41:23 | Buschel | ? |
22:41:23 | n1s | yeah |
22:41:44 | n1s | something needs to be reinited somhow is my guess |
22:41:49 | Buschel | with TREMOR_USE_IRAM defined |
22:42:10 | n1s | no, in the no iram case, the iram case still works fine |
22:42:16 | Buschel | ok |
22:42:24 | Buschel | let me see |
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22:45:13 | n1s | i have a synced patch if you want |
22:45:40 | Buschel | no, the v3 patch in flyspray should be fine |
22:45:48 | Buschel | thanks :) |
22:49:07 | n1s | forward seeking does it too |
22:49:16 | n1s | sometimes... |
22:53:28 | Buschel | n1s: this pcm_copy[] usage looks weird. but it is not impacted by TREMOR_USE_IRAM |
22:54:51 | n1s | those pointers are only so we can free the allocated buffers easily |
22:55:04 | n1s | but no, it's not terribly pretty |
22:58:27 | Buschel | hmm, wait. pcm_copy[] is only accessed if TREMOR_USE_IRAM is not defined (or if the IRAM is too small) |
22:59:05 | n1s | yes, they are copies of the pointers from ogg_malloc |
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23:06:12 | Buschel | what happens if you comment both free(pcm_copy)? |
23:06:50 | n1s | if i make sure _vds_init is called when seeking it works... |
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23:07:47 | n1s | not freeing the pointers makes no difference |
23:09:20 | n1s | or well, making sure vorbis_synthesis_init is called on seek |
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23:12:00 | n1s | calling _vds_init does fix it so something from the setup needs to be redone it seems |
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23:13:18 | Buschel | what happens in case you have USE_IRAM set and v->iram_double_pcm is NULL? |
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23:17:32 | n1s | v->iram_double_pcm is null if the iram_malloc fails and then the second buffer is calloced |
23:18:48 | Buschel | sorry, my question was misleading. does the error occur in this case? |
23:19:57 | n1s | no |
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23:32:02 | n1s | ah, hmmm |
23:34:50 | n1s | nope |
23:36:55 | Buschel | sorry, I was not of many help tonight :/ |
23:37:01 | Buschel | good night! |
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23:37:09 | n1s | no problem, thanks for looking |
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