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#rockbox log for 2011-06-08

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00:32:18bluebrother~
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00:40:13bluebrothersideraone thing about the svn to git convertion: if you want to not break existing repositories, how do you think that should work for repositories that f.e. use a username - realname mapping? Some of my repositories do that.
00:41:00AlexPI'd just do it cleanly and start over
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00:52:30bluebrotherhmpf, what did my ssh connection do?
00:54:03bluebrotherwhat I wanted to say: we will always breaking some git-svn clones, so not starting ovet cleanly is a bad thing
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01:44:09mshathlonxpwhy rockbox song database is in english without translation?
01:45:16[Saint]have you tried asking it?
01:45:20*[Saint] runs... ;)
01:45:40mshathlonxp?
01:46:59[Saint]what revision is your build?
01:47:24[Saint]if it's r29941 or higher, "<Untagged>" should be translated at least.
01:47:42mshathlonxpr29512M-110303
01:47:49mshathlonxpno, I don't mean untagged
01:47:51[Saint](or, be able to be translated)
01:48:04[Saint]what is it you mean, then?
01:48:22mshathlonxpbut when entering database, there's Artist, Album Artist, Album, Genre etc
01:49:33[Saint]No idea.
01:50:17gevaertsIt's because you haven't implemented the necessary support
01:50:39mshathlonxp:D
01:51:21gevaertsAnd that wasn't a joke
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02:27:31mshathlonxpcan anyone explain what I have to do to get TTS in rockbox utility working?
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07:55:40sqglOn my sansa c250 there is no "rename" in the context menu :(
07:56:03sqglThe context being that I am playing an mp3
07:57:34sqglNothing in the forums matching "no rename"
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07:59:46sqglSearching "rename option" only turns up an ipod thread
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08:09:04Lloreansqgl: Did you check the manual? I suspect you should be using the file browser context menu.
08:09:43sqglLlorean, I just found the problem
08:09:48sqglIt is Rockbox
08:09:57sqglbecause there are two version of my player
08:10:07sqglIt works on my old player
08:10:26sqglRockbox for the newer player is still not an official release
08:10:38sqglI should report the bug on the website
08:11:25LloreanYou're saying the c200v2 lacks the "Rename" option in the file tree (not WPS or database) context menu?
08:11:59sqglLlorean, sorry
08:12:08sqglI can't repeat it on the old one.
08:12:21LloreanThere is not supposed to be a 'rename' option in the WPS context menu.
08:12:21sqglIt must be different lenght of holding down the select button
08:12:25sqglAm experimenting now
08:13:38Lloreansqgl: I'd really recommend just reading the manual.
08:13:53sqglI did
08:14:12sqglI wouldn't be that rude to ask here otherwise
08:14:36sqgl"Long Select Enter the Context Menu."
08:14:40sqgl4.1.1
08:15:17LloreanWhere are you entering it from?
08:15:21LloreanYou get a different menu based on the context...
08:15:44sqglYes but the contect is the same - playing an mp3
08:15:57sqglsometimes rename appears in ontext menu, sometimes it does not
08:16:05LloreanAs I said to you a couple times, it doesn't offer that option in the WPS
08:16:13LloreanIt does if you do it from the file tree.
08:16:18LloreanThey are two separate contexts.
08:16:25sqglOK
08:17:21sqglOK, Short press gives me the file tree, *then* a long press gives rename option
08:17:32*sqgl Rereads manual to see if he misread it
08:17:38sqglLlorean, thanks
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08:20:18sqglIt is confusing becase both screens have "context menu" written at the top of the display
08:20:57LloreanDo you know what the word "context" means? It may simply be a langauge issue here.
08:20:58sqglEven if it said "WPS Context Menu" I might have missed it.
08:21:00sqglMy bad.
08:21:04sqglNo way around it.
08:21:37LloreanThe idea is that the menu is variable based on where it's invoked from, much like right clicking on many desktop PCs. What you right click on (say, a music player vs a file) gets you different options.
08:22:02sqglI do know what context means, thanks,I have no excuse there
08:22:54sqglActually the two context screens have a diferent icon in front of the title "Context Menu"
08:23:03sqglIt is designed as well as is possible.
08:23:12sqglJust a brain fart on my part.
08:23:19sqglThanks for the help Llorean
08:23:48LloreanGlad you got it working at least.
08:24:12sqglcya
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11:01:24GodEaterInitial cut of notes on devcon uploaded to wiki - needs some serious formatting work though. Feel free to pitch in.
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11:09:32GodEaterDoes anyone know where LinusN got to with the iRiver bootloaders?
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11:12:32linuxstbGodEater: I think I read in -community that LinusN is going to do some soldering to gevaerts's irivers, meaning gevaerts can test new bootloaders.
11:13:46GodEateroooh nifty
11:14:02GodEaterby test, I presume you mean "test in some relative safety" ? :)
11:14:34GodEatersomeone who knows the details should probably add that to the devcon notes too
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12:35:32CIA-58New commit by nls (r29985): codeclib: make selective inclusion of macros and inline functions from the codeclib_misc.h header easier and clean out some old libtremor stuff.
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12:52:33n1sindeed, at O2 cook is faster on the beast if the asm MULT31 and 32 functions are disabled
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12:56:50n1shmm, not the MULT31_SHIFT16 though...
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14:51:44GodEateris it just me, or is it bloody quiet in here today?
14:54:30TorneQuiet ;)
14:55:06TorneWas there anything we wanted to sort out for the gerrit demo otehr than it sending email from a garbage address?
14:56:35GodEaterNope
14:56:41GodEatereverything worked as intended as I recall
14:57:41Torneok, so if i bring that back up later once i fix my MTA, and maybe post some instructions for how to get set up and some things you may want to try to the list..
14:57:48Tornethat should probably be reasonable?
14:58:09Torneand hopefully we can convince a sufficient number of folks that it's a good idea :)
14:58:27GodEaterI've got a patch waiting for it
14:58:28GodEater:)
14:58:36TorneWell the demo doesn't have the real code
14:58:43GodEaterdarn
14:58:50Tornei can't have twenty odd people pulling 180MB of history from my machine at home
14:58:55GodEatertrue dat
14:59:04Tornei just committed 1MB of code with no history :)
14:59:21GodEaterwas the install pretty straight forward?
14:59:29Tornevery
14:59:32GodEaterI wonder if I can put it on ice.cream.org
14:59:37GodEaterwith a real code repo behind it
14:59:45GodEaterthat has bandwidth to abuse
14:59:46Tornehm. well, i'll do it if you give me access/want?
14:59:56TorneAlso, hm
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15:00:02GodEaterI don't have root tho
15:00:11TorneB4gder was going to give me a tarball of the svn repo
15:00:16GodEaterhe was
15:00:20GodEaterI saw him promise it!
15:00:20Torneso i could try various conversions to see what gives us the best fidelity
15:01:05GodEatergerrit required two ports iirc?
15:01:14GodEaterand neither of them in the privileged range?
15:01:14Torneyeah
15:01:19Tornewell, or one port and a reverse proxy
15:01:22TorneThe ports are arbitrary
15:01:26TorneThe SSH port can be anything
15:01:37Tornethe HTTP port should ideally be 80 for a real deployment but we can use something else for a demo
15:01:58GodEaterI have a virtual host on the box
15:02:04GodEaterso port 80 should be easy enough
15:02:12Tornecan you reverse proxy?
15:02:16Tornei guess
15:02:36GodEaterhttp://godeater.cream.org/ is not overly used currently ;)
15:02:59Torneyah but i mean, it contains its own webserver
15:03:11GodEaterah
15:03:15Torneit's a J2EE app
15:03:17GodEaterthat's a lot more problematic then
15:03:21Torneit jsut comes with all its dependencies internally
15:03:26Torneso by default it will run itself on Jetty
15:03:27GodEaterso we'd need the reverse proxy on this box then
15:03:40Torneyou can run it on an existing servlet host
15:03:50GodEaterI have no idea how to set that up on an apache virtual host
15:03:53Tornebut you probably don't have that either :)
15:03:57GodEaternot sure
15:04:05Tornetomcat or simialr
15:04:07GodEaterthere's all sorts of nonsense on ice
15:04:11GodEaterI'll ask.
15:04:19Tornereverse proxy is easier
15:04:34Torneas long as the apache install has proxy_http.mod loaded
15:04:37GodEaterdammit - tab completion of addresses in my gmail is broken :(
15:04:37Tornehttp://gerrit.googlecode.com/svn/documentation/2.2.0/config-reverseproxy.html
15:06:25GodEateranyone remember our contact at postive-internet for the mirror they host for us?
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15:40:48sideralWhat's the reason for allowing soft key lock only in the WPS screen? Shouldn't this be a decision of the key map?
15:41:17sideralBackground: I'm experimenting with a new soft-lock key for the Clip+, and want it to work everywhere
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15:54:17GodEaterTorne: I've poked our contact at positive-internet to see if there's a small corner of our download mirror server we could use to host the demo gerrit temporarily
15:54:43TorneHm
15:54:50TorneWe can try
15:55:19TorneThe requirements is basically "the JVM, an arbitrary listen port for SSH, and a reverse proxy or direct port for HTTP"
15:55:28Tornegerrit has all its java dependencies packaged with it
15:55:37Torneso it's just download and java -jar gerrit.war
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15:58:10mcuelenaere-mobiTorne: if you want, I could give you a Debian VPS, but only for the demo (limited bandwidth)
15:58:41Torneif we have limited bandwidth i may as well use my machine :)
15:58:45*Torne shrugs
15:58:47Torneit's not a huge deal
15:59:02TorneI will bring it up again on my machine at home unless someone gives me something better
15:59:10TorneThe point here is not to demo how git works, but specifically gerrit
15:59:16Torneso having our history/files is not super important
15:59:43mcuelenaere-mobiok
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16:18:58BagderTorne: http://daniel.haxx.se/tmp/rockbox-svn.tar.bz2 the local svn server directory tarballed up
16:19:07TorneBagder: thanks, zagor already linked me :)
16:19:15Bagderaha
16:19:17Tornei have a copy now and will experiment later
16:19:26Tornei'm collecting emails for a proper migration
16:19:32Torneand looking at tools which can preserve our release branches/tags
16:19:42Tornein proper git tag/branch form, not weird remotes like git-svn does
16:19:54Tornebecause hey might as well, it's there :)
16:22:05CIA-58New commit by torne (r29986): Remove superfluous executable bits on a bunch of files.
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16:22:27TorneI'm not actually going to commit a change to remove any of the other svn properties because a migration will destroy them anyway
16:22:29Bagderpersonally I would be much happier with real names in git too
16:22:38TorneBagder: yes, that's my intention
16:22:51Tornethe list i started with is the one from COMMITTERS so it should already have most/all real names
16:22:55Bagderright, I was mostly commenting on sideral's choice
16:23:11TorneOh, I haven't been watching
16:23:44Tornesideral: can you leave your real name int he list please
16:24:00Tornei didn't mean change your name to anyhing you feel like, i meant correct spelling/accents/etc if there's a typo
16:24:11*Torne hides from accusations of hypocrisy :)
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16:24:55TorneBagder: one possibly useful feature of gerrit is it can require contributor agreements
16:25:06Torneand you can require them before anyone can upload anything
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16:25:24Torneso people submitting patches would ahve to agree that the name they're using is real etc
16:25:32Torne:)
16:25:41CIA-58r29986 build result: All green
16:26:01Tornei should hope removing execute on a bunch of textfiles is all green, yes
16:27:44Torne..who is Adam Boot?
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16:28:02Tornethey've added themselves to the top of the list without a svn username :)
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16:30:02n1sTorne: "rotator" or some variation of that iirc
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16:31:04Tornesideral: ah, just read your mail
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16:31:28Tornerotator: can you actually put yoru svn username in the list also? :)
16:31:33Tornerotator: i assume it's rotator, but still
16:31:40Torneit doesn't work to map things from an empty string ;)
16:31:47Tornesideral: i don't know if we agree that that's reasonable
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16:37:23n1sBagder: Zagor: are you aware that the daily voice files have vanished from the site?
16:37:35Bagderno
16:37:38BagderI'm not
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16:41:01n1sTorne: is changing email adress impossible in git?
16:41:14Tornen1s: Not at all
16:41:35TorneIt's just easiest if I migrate your old commits in the email address you intend to use going forward
16:41:40Torneif you change at some point in the future that's fine
16:42:02n1sgreat, i just got the impression it couldn't be changed from your mail
16:42:12TorneAh, ok
16:42:26TorneThe reason I said that is because if we use gerrit it checks for submit forgery
16:42:40Tornei.e. it requires that your commit's submitter be you
16:42:59Torneyou can change your email in gerrit or add more than one, but it'll be easier if we already know it ;)
16:43:54n1salso you can remove hcl from the list since he's passed away
16:44:23Tornehrm.
16:44:33TorneTechnically he still needs a git id :)
16:44:37Tornesince he made commits in the past.
16:44:48n1sah
16:44:55TorneThis is for the svn->git migration primarily
16:45:00Torneusing it to configure gerrit/etc would be secondary
16:45:12Torneso it's everyone who has *ever committed*, not just the people whoa re active committers now
16:45:20TorneWe can just make up a dummy one in that case, though
16:45:26Tornei'll deal with it at the end ;)
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16:45:57sideralTorne: AFAIK we have that policy for only one reason (allow attribution of contributions to real persons), and that's covered. I don't agree with any additional policy that comes down to "I'd prefer..." or "I'd be much happier with...".
16:46:23Torneyes, and attributing contributions by having your name on them is the best way
16:46:36Tornethe reason i say "i'd prefer" is because it's not up to me
16:46:53Torneask people as a whole, or the RSB, if you want something concrete.
16:46:58Torneif everyone else is fine with it then so am I
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16:47:26Torneseriously though i am intending to delete that file, because it exists to map svn usernames to get around svn being crappy
16:47:31Tornethis will no longer be a thing after we migrate to git
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16:48:45sideralI understand, but I appreciate the level of indirection it adds
16:49:12Tornei'm not sure why, tbh :)
16:49:15Tornebut that's not really the point
16:49:37Torne(posting names seems irrelevant compared to posting emails) :)
16:50:38Torneanyway, i'm not the one to debate this i guess since my real name is artificial :)
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18:54:13pamauryTheLemonMan: ping
18:54:26TheLemonManpamaury, pong
18:54:37pamauryI just tried BitBurner on my device
18:54:47TheLemonMani'm having some (many) troubles configuring the windows box
18:55:06pamauryI think the tool uses BLTC to download some code on the device to access the bytes
18:55:18pamaury(just a first thought)
18:55:45TheLemonManit was my impression too by seeing the dumps and the box on the right side of the program
18:56:19pamauryso perhaps disassembling this file would be more interesting than the tool itself
18:57:04pamauryActually I'm not quite familiar with the fuzes but you can always change the value of any of them when you want or are some permanent ?
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18:58:34TheLemonMani guess those are normal fuses so once they are blown theres no way of recovering em
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19:01:26pamauryand why do you want to understand the protocol used ?
19:02:40TheLemonManbeen asked on github :) and it's part of my revenge against freescale
19:03:09TheLemonManless nda, more docz
19:04:16pamaurybut isn't it simpler to just write a blob of code to download on the device ?
19:05:15pamaurythe bltc protocol is useful because we can't change it but this pitc protocol is of no interest
19:05:38TheLemonManin case it's just communicating to that blob it becomes useless
19:06:30pamaurywe can always reimplement that
19:07:43TheLemonManthe blob can be reversed to implement an usb driver
19:08:26pamaurywe already know how to make usb work
19:08:38pamauryit uses the ARC controller
19:09:08pamauryI made it work on my device when writing the lcd driver so it shouldn't be too hard
19:09:51TheLemonManand are all the boards sharing the same usb contoller ?
19:13:21pamauryit's in the chip
19:13:32pamauryso yes
19:14:07pamaury(I can only talk for stmp3780 for sure of course, since we don't have the datasheet for other chips)
19:14:56TheLemonMandid you try my tool ? i have blindly implemented variable packet size and havent had it tested yet
19:20:44pamauryno, my tool does variable packet size tool but wasn't there another difference too ?
19:20:50pamauryI can try it if you want
19:21:38pamaurywhere is it ?
19:22:14TheLemonManon my github
19:22:27TheLemonManhttps://github.com/LemonBoy/OpenBLTC
19:25:44pamauryhum, isn't there this interrupt transfer difference at the end ?
19:25:44kugelpI would appreciate an @rockbox.org (for git) mail since its uncertain how long I will have my current address
19:26:33kugelp(I understand it'd only redirect to my real email)
19:26:56TheLemonManmmh, i noticed that once the device receives N bytes as stated into the header it automatically stops reading
19:27:00TheLemonManand starts the payload
19:27:45pamauryok, let's see
19:29:12Bagderkugelp: tell me where to redirect the mails and I'll fix you up
19:29:23pamauryTheLemonMan: doesn't work
19:29:46pamauryit seems this interrupt transfer at the end is really necessary
19:30:06TheLemonMancan you try to add it in the code and retry ?
19:30:15pamauryyes
19:30:33TheLemonManthanks :)
19:32:44pamauryit works
19:32:50pamauryadded this: libusb_interrupt_transfer(dev, 0x81, packet, packet_size, NULL, 1000);
19:33:40TheLemonManarr, i guess its time for a new revision
19:34:05pamauryyou might want to add a boolean or just wait 1 sec to see if the device answers
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19:34:38TheLemonManbefore sending the interrupt transfer ?
19:35:21pamauryiirc, the current code waits 1000msec(=1sec) so the code will just hang 1sec if the device doesn't send this interrupt transfer
19:35:25pamauryI believe it's fine
19:37:02TheLemonManthe usb module crashed and can't test it right now, need to reboot.
19:37:05TheLemonManbrb
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19:46:46kugelpBagder: for the time being its the I use for the mailing lists
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21:32:45bluebrother-bothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8668 battery runtime: experimental gui boost (patches, assigned)
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21:58:25kugelpBuschel: nope
21:58:34kugelpmight as well put it on the tracker
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22:02:50kugelpBuschel: but anyway, the tracker isn't a place to slap random patches on it. it's for patches meant for svn
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22:24:44belakWhat's the recommended MP3 player to use with Rockbox? I was hoping for something with >=120 GB storage...
22:25:18LloreanThere's not so much a "recommended" one as "look at the list of supported ones, pick one that has what you like"
22:27:35belakAre there any with that much storage?
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22:29:29wodzthere are a few where you can replace drive
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22:30:51wodzor wait for ipod classic port to mature
22:31:18wodzpamaury: ping
22:32:38belakiPod classic port?
22:32:54belakI thought it already worked on up to 5.5 gen
22:33:05belakand anything above that was impossible
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22:34:03gevaertsWell, 5.5gen isn't the classic, and anything newer used to be though to be very difficult, but we changed our minds
22:34:26belakYou changed your minds?
22:34:29wodzbelak: there are works going. See www.freemyipod.org for more info
22:34:37belakI thought they encrypted the firmware?
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22:35:00wodzbelak: they do
22:35:14TheSevenbelak: and they have a nice buffer overflow bug in the signature verification code :)
22:35:15gevaertsWell, we don't think it's too hard any more
22:35:36TheSeventhe hard part will be sorting out the remaining issues, things like sporadic lockups and bad battery runtime
22:38:35belakThat's tempting...
22:39:14bertrikwho's working on the 6g (besides TheSeven)?
22:39:55TheSevensome other people have provided some testing and fixes, like for example n1s with this USB issue
22:40:09belakAny idea how long this might take?
22:40:24TheSevenbelak: until someone figures out what's actually happening
22:40:33TheSevenfixing it will probably be much easier than discovering the root cause
22:40:40TheSevenso it might happen tomorrow or never
22:41:49belakI hate apple. Is that the main issue stopping rockbox from working?
22:42:29gevaertsYou hating apple? Unlikely
22:43:17belakHeh
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22:43:35LeoTindallhelloes!
22:43:40belakBut true. They make good media stuff, but I hate how locked down on everything they are.
22:44:07LeoTindallWill someone add me to the WikiUsersGroup please?
22:44:38LeoTindallI'm working on Lua plugins and want to create pages for them.
22:44:48 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: "Nothing is true, everything is permitted")
22:45:02gevaertsLeoTindall: your wiki name is also LeoTindall?
22:45:13LeoTindallyep!
22:46:07gevaertsLeoTindall: I added you. If all went well, you should now have write access
22:46:13LeoTindallthanks!
22:47:26bertrikTheSeven, what do we need 2 i2c buses for in the s5l8702?
22:47:40TheSevenno idea, have never seen the second one actually being used
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22:48:40bertrikit looks like doing i2c_off for one bus, possibly also disables the other i2c bus
22:49:13TheSeveneven if it would (which should be fixed) it shouldn't cause harm as the second one will never be touched
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22:52:53LeoTindallWhere would I put a list of my Lua apps?
22:53:21LeoTindallon the wiki?
22:53:27LeoTindallbut where on the wiki?
22:54:55LloreanA list of them? So not posting them directly?
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23:08:19LeoTindallnever mind. I found a place. It's called mLua.
23:08:43LeoTindalllook under Misc on the front page, you'll see the link.
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23:10:06*Llorean isn't sure that page is really appropriate for the Rockbox wiki.
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