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| 00:00:24 | Torne | aanyway. |
| 00:00:28 | Torne | Oh, one thign someone mentioned |
| 00:00:38 | Torne | You don't have to commit with the same email as your OpenID has |
| 00:00:45 | Torne | you can add alternate email addresses in your settings in gerrit |
| 00:00:50 | Torne | (it will mail them to verify) |
| 00:01:00 | Torne | and then any of those addresses will be accepted in commits |
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| 00:01:10 | Torne | (you can pick which one gerrit mail goes to, also) |
| 00:01:27 | Torne | any other open questions I missed? :) |
| 00:02:32 | Torne | There's another nice trick if you have a whole topic branch to upload: if you push to refs/for/master/some-topic it will label them all on the site as being for some-topic |
| 00:02:39 | Torne | which you can click on to find other patches on the same topic |
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| 00:19:32 | AlexP | I assume I can use a different email for rockbox than is set as my global e-mail in git? |
| 00:19:41 | Torne | yes, see above. |
| 00:19:48 | Torne | you can add more addresses |
| 00:19:54 | Torne | and change which one it sends email to |
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| 00:20:14 | Torne | the one your openid provider gave is just the default |
| 00:20:49 | CIA-58 | r29996 build result: All green |
| 00:21:15 | AlexP | Torne: I'm talking about the git −−global user.name bit |
| 00:21:21 | AlexP | Which is different to my global id |
| 00:21:25 | AlexP | *open id |
| 00:21:40 | AlexP | which is different to the e-mail I want to use for Rockbox/gerrit :) |
| 00:21:55 | Torne | yes, you can use anything that gerrit knows about |
| 00:22:07 | Torne | and you can set it in just one repo by omitting −−global |
| 00:22:31 | pixelma | moving tracks in an already existing playlist doesn't work very nice on touchscreen, especially if the list is already longer than what fits on the display then it's next to impossible to get the track to its spot if you would have to scroll the list up or down for that |
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| 00:23:03 | AlexP | Torne: Ta, so when I do my checkout I'll set it in the test repo |
| 00:23:13 | Torne | yah. |
| 00:23:27 | Torne | gerrit just requires that Committer: be an email that's associated with your gerrit account to stop forgery :) |
| 00:23:36 | Torne | (Author can be anything) |
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| 00:44:38 | NOTBANNED | so I charged my ipod video 5th generation on my ipod dock with the default firmware, switch to rockbox and suddenly the battery is empty and automatically shuts down? What, is it accessing some other battery than the one that's in there? argh |
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| 00:46:53 | AlexP | Torne: I tried to review and submit my own change and get server error requires code review - I guess this is as it is not set up that we can accept our own changes? |
| 00:47:22 | Torne | You can review and submit your own changes |
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| 00:47:31 | AlexP | Or is is because gevaerts rejected the first patch set? |
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| 00:47:34 | Torne | Nope |
| 00:47:38 | Torne | State resets with new uploads |
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| 00:47:47 | AlexP | hmm, so why can't I do it? |
| 00:47:48 | Torne | You need +1 verified and +2 reviewed to submit |
| 00:47:55 | AlexP | yeah, I set that |
| 00:47:57 | Torne | verified is supposed to mean "i built and tested this" |
| 00:48:01 | Torne | for reference :) |
| 00:48:24 | Torne | Oh |
| 00:48:26 | Torne | It has a -2 |
| 00:48:29 | Torne | so it can't be submitted |
| 00:48:34 | Torne | hmm. |
| 00:48:34 | NOTBANNED | the ipod has one battery |
| 00:48:36 | NOTBANNED | not two |
| 00:48:40 | NOTBANNED | apple's firmware says 100% |
| 00:48:41 | Torne | Oh, right. |
| 00:48:42 | NOTBANNED | rockbox says 0% |
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| 00:48:46 | NOTBANNED | somebody's lying |
| 00:48:49 | AlexP | no |
| 00:48:52 | AlexP | They aren't |
| 00:48:57 | Torne | Yeah, you need to get gevaerts to change his to something other than -2 first |
| 00:49:02 | AlexP | They are just reading it in different ways |
| 00:49:12 | NOTBANNED | why is rockbox's so inaccurate? |
| 00:49:13 | AlexP | So you can't overrule someone else? |
| 00:49:18 | Torne | No |
| 00:49:23 | Torne | Well, only negatively |
| 00:49:24 | NOTBANNED | because I just charged it. it's full |
| 00:49:35 | Torne | it has to have at least one +2 and no -2's |
| 00:49:39 | AlexP | Torne: OK, makes sense |
| 00:49:48 | Torne | (and the same for verified with +1/-1) |
| 00:49:49 | AlexP | And one -2 will overrule any number of +2? |
| 00:49:53 | Torne | yes |
| 00:49:55 | gevaerts | NOTBANNED: how long does the battery last in the OF? |
| 00:49:55 | Torne | it's not arithmetic |
| 00:49:59 | Torne | two +1's are not a +2 |
| 00:50:09 | AlexP | So given that anyone can review, this means non-committers can block committers |
| 00:50:15 | Torne | AlexP: no |
| 00:50:23 | Torne | AlexP: non-committers can only give +1 and -1 |
| 00:50:26 | AlexP | OK |
| 00:50:31 | NOTBANNED | gevaerts, days. |
| 00:50:35 | AlexP | So a +2 overrules a -1 |
| 00:50:38 | Torne | the sandbox repo gives everyone the same permissions as committers |
| 00:50:41 | Torne | -1 doesn't do anything |
| 00:50:43 | Torne | +1 doesn't do anything |
| 00:50:45 | NOTBANNED | it's like i'm charging two different batteries |
| 00:50:46 | Torne | they are just advisory |
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| 00:50:49 | AlexP | OK |
| 00:50:53 | AlexP | makes sense |
| 00:50:59 | NOTBANNED | it went from 0% to 50% in Rockbox charging it via USB right now in 15 minutes. |
| 00:51:12 | gevaerts | NOTBANNED: I'm not aware of any ipod lasting days in the OF |
| 00:51:22 | AlexP | Torne: I was confused by you saying "Any Gerrit user can review your change if they choose" in the guide :) |
| 00:51:23 | NOTBANNED | the amount i use it |
| 00:51:25 | NOTBANNED | it's days |
| 00:51:29 | Torne | AlexP: they can review it, yes :) |
| 00:51:36 | Torne | NOTBANNED: we mean continuously/intotal |
| 00:51:39 | Torne | not how many days |
| 00:51:42 | AlexP | yeah, but not to the same extent :) |
| 00:51:45 | NOTBANNED | i never tested. it's a long time |
| 00:52:01 | NOTBANNED | rockbox does drain the battery more quickly |
| 00:52:02 | AlexP | My players last months if I don't use them |
| 00:52:04 | NOTBANNED | but that isn't the issue |
| 00:52:06 | AlexP | No it doesn't |
| 00:52:10 | NOTBANNED | yes it does |
| 00:52:11 | NOTBANNED | actually |
| 00:52:15 | AlexP | Rockbox gets longer battery life on those ipods |
| 00:52:24 | Torne | Rockbox gets 10-15% more life on ipodvideo |
| 00:52:25 | NOTBANNED | not from my experience |
| 00:52:26 | Torne | depending on settings. |
| 00:52:30 | Torne | I assure you it does |
| 00:52:34 | AlexP | It really does |
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| 00:52:36 | NOTBANNED | maybe it's because I play flacs |
| 00:52:43 | AlexP | which the apple OF can't |
| 00:52:50 | NOTBANNED | don't be biased |
| 00:52:51 | AlexP | You need to compare like to like |
| 00:52:54 | Torne | If you play FLAC in rockbox and ALAC in the OF, rockbox will last longer |
| 00:52:59 | AlexP | I'm not biased |
| 00:53:04 | NOTBANNED | that has nothing to do with the problem I have |
| 00:53:09 | AlexP | If you want to compare you need to do the same thing with both |
| 00:53:10 | NOTBANNED | 100% apple firmware battery charge |
| 00:53:14 | NOTBANNED | 0% rockbox |
| 00:53:19 | AlexP | Otherwise it is meaningless |
| 00:53:21 | NOTBANNED | auto shut down when I turned it on |
| 00:53:41 | gevaerts | That usually means your battery is just about dead |
| 00:53:49 | NOTBANNED | it's been charging on usb for about 15-20 minutes now |
| 00:53:51 | NOTBANNED | and it reads 75% |
| 00:53:59 | NOTBANNED | this is a bullshit reading |
| 00:54:05 | NOTBANNED | nothing charges that quickly over usb |
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| 00:54:11 | NOTBANNED | something's amiss |
| 00:54:54 | kugel | Torne: can different authors update patches? |
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| 00:55:00 | Torne | kugel: yes |
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| 01:04:29 | sideral | jhMikeS: Have you experienced any problems with FS #12132 <http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12132>? I'd like to commit it before the freeze |
| 01:04:30 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12132 tagnavi: Support "basename" in formats and conditions; replace <Untagged> in track views (patches, new) |
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| 01:09:06 | fml | Hello. I don't remember wether this has been discussed before, but: wouldn't it be a good idea to have an index in the manual? Or is the table of contents enough? |
| 01:09:23 | Torne | Indexes have to be maintained to be any use, this gets pretty tedious |
| 01:09:33 | Torne | you can search it, is that not sufficient? |
| 01:10:01 | pixelma | bluebrother started one but I believe gave up then (IIRC there are still some sign of it in the code) |
| 01:12:43 | fml | Torne: the index would be of course generated automatically by latex. We only have to mark the appropriate places in the text. |
| 01:12:54 | Torne | fml: yes, that's the tedious maintenance I refer to |
| 01:13:01 | Torne | deciding what's index-worthy |
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| 01:13:14 | Torne | making sure index terms don't wander away from useful descriptions, etc |
| 01:13:39 | Torne | assembling a good index is annoyingly difficult :) |
| 01:13:50 | fml | Yes, I see. |
| 01:14:09 | Torne | the manual is short enough that searching it generally works |
| 01:14:20 | Torne | someone suggested at devcon that there should be a single-page html version |
| 01:14:27 | Torne | which would be easier to search :) |
| 01:15:18 | fml | There is a single document PDF version! |
| 01:15:29 | Torne | PDFs suck :) |
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| 01:18:34 | sideral | AlexP: At which time of the day will the freeze take effect? |
| 01:18:50 | AlexP | sideral: Afternoon EU time I expect |
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| 01:20:11 | sideral | OK, thanks |
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| 01:41:39 | * | sideral decides to not rush FS #12132. Users will have to cope with <Untagged> in track views for another full release. |
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| 02:27:09 | kugel | Torne: any particular reason to not allow merge commits? |
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| 03:28:14 | JdGordon | Torne: isnt merge commits basically the point of git? |
| 03:28:28 | JdGordon | and I'm voting for requiring all commits go through gerrit and get a review |
| 03:29:22 | JdGordon | and I know for sure thats going to annoy me later :) |
| 03:56:46 | JdGordon | [Saint]: grrrrrr |
| 03:56:53 | JdGordon | stop spreading lies and slander!!!! |
| 03:57:12 | JdGordon | (otherwise known as ping+bad thread comment) |
| 03:59:31 | JdGordon | hmmmm, actually looks like CustomWPS is badly worded/outdated |
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| 05:00:17 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Can you explain to me how the "image" param maintains backward compatibility please? |
| 05:00:42 | [Saint] | will the additional params just be ignored by older builds, instead of failing to parse? |
| 05:02:56 | [Saint] | also, in "%xx(x,y,w,h,image.bmp,image,foo)" the image with identifier foo is given preference? |
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| 05:08:49 | RoMeow | Hi |
| 05:09:02 | RoMeow | Help me to remove the autoreverse please! |
| 05:09:11 | RoMeow | :( |
| 05:09:28 | [Saint] | what exactly do you mean by "remove"? |
| 05:09:42 | RoMeow | disable |
| 05:09:44 | RoMeow | turn off |
| 05:09:47 | RoMeow | xD |
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| 05:09:56 | [Saint] | and, what fuction are you talking about exactly? |
| 05:10:07 | RoMeow | auto reverse |
| 05:10:19 | RoMeow | the spiral arrow |
| 05:10:36 | RoMeow | the playback |
| 05:10:45 | [Saint] | there are several settings that can rewind the current track by <X> value, you need to be more specific. |
| 05:10:53 | RoMeow | when you end the album it starts again to reproduce |
| 05:11:22 | [Saint] | this is repeat. change it via the playback settings. |
| 05:11:31 | RoMeow | where are them!?!? |
| 05:11:33 | [Saint] | or via the quickscreen. |
| 05:11:39 | RoMeow | I didn't change them |
| 05:11:58 | [Saint] | Repeat isn't enabled by default, you must have. |
| 05:12:13 | RoMeow | done! |
| 05:12:16 | RoMeow | xD |
| 05:12:52 | RoMeow | what's up mates? |
| 05:13:28 | RoMeow | are you ready for the pit? |
| 05:13:44 | RoMeow | hooga hooga chakka hooga! |
| 05:13:45 | RoMeow | hooga hooga chakka hooga! |
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| 05:13:46 | RoMeow | hooga hooga chakka hooga! |
| 05:13:50 | RoMeow | xD |
| 05:14:12 | [Saint] | Apologies, but this is a support/development channel. Please keep on topic, and do not spam the channel. |
| 05:15:15 | RoMeow | :) |
| 05:15:26 | RoMeow | I love you Saint |
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| 06:28:13 | JdGordon | [Saint]: no, you misunderstood, I meant to keep backwards-compat with older skins in new builds |
| 06:28:24 | JdGordon | and yes, the image optin always overrides the filename |
| 06:29:13 | [Saint] | it just seems weird to me that the example I posted is valid. |
| 06:29:31 | [Saint] | I'd rather see the compatibility broken. |
| 06:30:19 | [Saint] | ....,<other options>,image,identifier" seems saner to me. |
| 06:30:42 | [Saint] | or, the alternative. |
| 06:30:50 | JdGordon | yes, but if you arent using any other options there is no real reason to force the 'image' param |
| 06:31:20 | [Saint] | but the fact that you can have both image_name.bitmap *and* specifiy the "image" param with an identifier seems...I dunno, just...weird. |
| 06:31:41 | JdGordon | you want it to fail if that is there? |
| 06:31:44 | JdGordon | seems pointless |
| 06:31:51 | [Saint] | I feel it should. |
| 06:31:57 | JdGordon | especially with the shit debugging we have |
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| 06:33:01 | JdGordon | wasnt android going to be moved to unstable? |
| 06:34:19 | [Saint] | "%xx(x,y,w,h,image_name.bmp,some_option(s),image,identifier)" seems batshit crazy to me. |
| 06:34:37 | [Saint] | I'm not sure I can say *why* exactly, but...it does seem odd that it's valid. |
| 06:34:37 | JdGordon | yes, it is |
| 06:34:54 | JdGordon | but you'd be wrong to put both there |
| 06:34:58 | JdGordon | one or the other |
| 06:35:13 | [Saint] | the fact that you can and it won't spit is what bugs me. |
| 06:35:21 | [Saint] | I'd expect it to fail parsing. |
| 06:35:28 | JdGordon | no |
| 06:35:31 | JdGordon | well, naa |
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| 06:36:30 | [Saint] | And yeah, RaaA being promoted was something I thought was happening also. |
| 06:36:47 | [Saint] | perhaps it's "will happen in the not-so-distant future" |
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| 09:11:09 | * | GodEater_ fiddles with gerrit a bit |
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| 09:14:04 | dt84 | hi. is it possible to add to the scrobble.log file the album-artist? |
| 09:19:14 | GodEater_ | If the scrobble format allows for it, then yes, it is possible. |
| 09:26:49 | JdGordon | [Saint]: I'm fixing the %cs tag in the playlist viewer and pitch screen... any others? |
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| 09:30:07 | dt84 | GodEater_: According to http://www.last.fm/api/show?service=443, it is an optional field. Is it something that should be reported as a bug in rockbox.com/tracker ? |
| 09:30:24 | GodEater_ | well since it's optional, its not really a bug is it? |
| 09:30:58 | dt84 | lets call it a "feature request"? |
| 09:32:21 | GodEater_ | unfortunately for you, we don't accept them :) |
| 09:32:44 | dt84 | oh. :-/ |
| 09:32:49 | GodEater_ | if you care to code it up youself - we'll take it as a patch. |
| 09:33:22 | CIA-58 | New commit by jdgordon (r29997): Fix the %cs tag for the pitchscreen and playlist viewer |
| 09:33:22 | GodEater_ | or, if someone benevolent here is listening, they might choose to do it anyway - but when we ran a feature request system, it just filled up with stuff that no-one ever wanted to actually do. |
| 09:33:30 | GodEater_ | so we concluded it was basically useless. |
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| 09:34:02 | JdGordon | Torne: oh, question re gerrit... your example always pushes the HEAD branch... can you push a local branch also? |
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| 09:34:31 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: it's a git implementation, so yes. The question is more, "do we want you to do that?" |
| 09:34:32 | * | JdGordon hopes 1) that question makes sense, and 2) isnt completly stupid :) |
| 09:34:46 | GodEater_ | s/you/people in general/ |
| 09:35:21 | JdGordon | whats really the benefit to forcing linear history? |
| 09:35:24 | GodEater_ | we did discuss this briefly at devcon, I seem to recall we decided having people push branches wasn't a great plan. |
| 09:35:42 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: so people can report "feature X didn't work against build Y" more easily. |
| 09:36:31 | JdGordon | I meant pushing a local branch to a review, which would eventually get merged to HEAD by gerrit |
| 09:36:36 | dt84 | i'll explain my problem: i have several albums with multiple artists participating on it, each on a different song. so i want to send the data to last.fm as followed: song: X artist: Y album artist: Z. |
| 09:36:42 | CIA-58 | r29997 build result: All green |
| 09:36:43 | JdGordon | and i dont see why linear history fixes that |
| 09:37:00 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: ah sorry, I misunderstood. Not sure how easy that is to do. |
| 09:37:21 | JdGordon | I agree that we shouldnt put feature branches on our repo (iun general anyway) |
| 09:37:28 | JdGordon | github is for that :) |
| 09:37:30 | GodEater_ | dt84: I understand your problem completely, and I agree it would be nice for Rockbox to do. I'm just saying don't expect anyone to just jump on it and do it. |
| 09:37:48 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: I suspect you can just send a local branch as a patch |
| 09:37:53 | GodEater_ | I don't see why it wouldn't work |
| 09:38:01 | JdGordon | thats what I was checking :) |
| 09:38:13 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: why not just try it against the sandbox and see? |
| 09:38:26 | JdGordon | i havnt got it going yet :p |
| 09:38:38 | GodEater_ | oh come on, it takes about 1 minute |
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| 09:39:48 | dt84 | GodEater_: totally understand. lets say i'll ever have the time to implement this - can you give me some pointers on where to start? |
| 09:40:11 | GodEater_ | first step would be to check out the source code |
| 09:40:18 | GodEater_ | and get yourself a working build environment |
| 09:40:24 | GodEater_ | (which we have several guides for in the wiki) |
| 09:41:11 | GodEater_ | and then the code you're looking for is most likely in apps/scrobbler.c |
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| 09:44:02 | dt84 | greate. i hope i'll manage. thanks a lot. |
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| 09:57:44 | JdGordon | yes, ok, HEAD was just an example... you can push local branches as patches |
| 09:58:35 | GodEater_ | \o/ |
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| 10:21:00 | JdGordon | any thoughts on FS #11564? |
| 10:21:01 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11564 new tag to talk other tags (patches, new) |
| 10:21:10 | kugel | what, no branches in the git repo? |
| 10:21:25 | Torne | JdGordon: I think we *should* put feature branches on our repository |
| 10:21:30 | Torne | not on github |
| 10:21:32 | Torne | that's silly |
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| 10:23:18 | Torne | you can push any branch to gerrit. |
| 10:23:37 | Torne | (HEAD is the head of the current branch, not the head of the default branch) |
| 10:23:39 | kugel | good |
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| 10:23:46 | JdGordon | allowing feature branches but not merge commits seems a bit wierd |
| 10:23:55 | Torne | if the branch has more than one commit and you push it as a review then it will create multiple reviews |
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| 10:24:01 | Torne | but that's fine; that's a patch series. |
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| 10:24:33 | JdGordon | one review for each commit? |
| 10:24:40 | Torne | yes. |
| 10:26:08 | JdGordon | errr... oh.. kay... wierd.. (but screw it, all better than FS+svn :) ) |
| 10:26:15 | Torne | how is that weird> |
| 10:26:23 | Torne | it's a patch series. |
| 10:26:28 | JdGordon | im more interested in seeing the finished patch against master, not individual steps |
| 10:26:48 | Torne | yes, so you rewrite local history to that form |
| 10:27:19 | Torne | the point of being able to upload multiple commits in a branch is to create a patch series |
| 10:27:27 | JdGordon | ok |
| 10:27:36 | Torne | i.e. set of discrete steps deliberatley created that way |
| 10:27:38 | kugel | IMO we should allow merge commits |
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| 10:28:02 | kugel | the point of git is easy branching and merging |
| 10:28:28 | JdGordon | I also really dont see the point of requiring linear history |
| 10:29:02 | Torne | kugel: no it isn't :) |
| 10:30:30 | Torne | JdGordon: because if you just push merges then history becomes a stream of nothing but merges and the graph of changes is always really wide |
| 10:30:30 | kugel | why don't allow them? |
| 10:30:53 | kugel | who cares how wide the graph of changes is? |
| 10:31:24 | Torne | people who have to bisect to find bugs. people who have to work out what users' build versions are. |
| 10:31:33 | kugel | rebasing can be a a real PITA while merging just works |
| 10:31:37 | Torne | er, what? |
| 10:31:46 | Torne | that's nonsense :) |
| 10:32:00 | kugel | it's not |
| 10:33:19 | Torne | for most things there is no difference |
| 10:33:34 | kugel | except if there are conflicts |
| 10:33:47 | Torne | No, for most things the conflict set will be the same either way |
| 10:34:37 | * | Torne will be back in a bit. |
| 10:35:54 | kugel | Torne: how do merge commits make bisecting harder or determining a version number? |
| 10:38:14 | ukleinek | Torne: merging works in the kernel to, and git-bisect can handle it just fine |
| 10:38:40 | ukleinek | and rebasing might make your code actually untested |
| 10:40:08 | kugel | it's just inconvinient too |
| 10:40:45 | ukleinek | http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg39091.html |
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| 10:44:28 | * | ukleinek reads the backlog about your git discusstion |
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| 10:45:57 | * | JdGordon doesnt believe that was really Linus |
| 10:46:09 | JdGordon | not enough belittliing :) |
| 10:47:08 | ukleinek | JdGordon: I guess airlied behaves good in general, so he didn |
| 10:47:15 | ukleinek | 't decend far |
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| 10:48:13 | B4gder | I think Linus just had gotten an exceptionally nice lunch just before he sent that |
| 10:48:17 | B4gder | =B) |
| 10:49:39 | * | ukleinek doesn't know gerrit, but the projects I know work with plain git good enough |
| 10:50:18 | B4gder | well, we agreed to give it a try |
| 10:50:33 | ukleinek | B4gder: it=gerrit or git? |
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| 10:50:48 | B4gder | there needs to be some defined work flow, and gerrit provides one way |
| 10:50:58 | GodEater__ | ukleinek: for the purposes of this discussion, gerrit/git is not relevant |
| 10:50:59 | JdGordon | has Torne enabled email notifications on it? |
| 10:51:07 | kugel | yes |
| 10:51:07 | GodEater__ | JdGordon: yes he has |
| 10:51:15 | B4gder | ukleinek: we are switching to git, that's decided |
| 10:51:26 | GodEater__ | gerrit provides one implementation of hosted git is all |
| 10:51:36 | GodEater__ | if we hate it, we might use gitosis or something else |
| 10:52:27 | ukleinek | we use gitolite in my company, works pretty well, though I don't have anything to do with it's administration. |
| 10:52:53 | ukleinek | our admin told that gitosis was ugly, gitolite strait forward. |
| 10:53:16 | GodEater__ | the admin side of gitosis is a bit of a pain |
| 10:53:33 | GodEater__ | gerrit's is much nicer, plus you get this nice code review feature too |
| 10:57:31 | * | kugel can second this |
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| 11:14:16 | JdGordon | gerrit is code only right? flyspray is staying for old patches and bugs? |
| 11:14:22 | JdGordon | assuming of course we go gerrit |
| 11:15:10 | JdGordon | I thought someone said gerrit lets you upload a plain diff? |
| 11:15:45 | GodEater__ | no - we're binning patches on flyspray |
| 11:16:00 | JdGordon | and bugs? |
| 11:16:05 | GodEater__ | it'll be mailling list or gerrit only for patches in future. |
| 11:16:12 | GodEater__ | bugs will stay in flyspray |
| 11:17:07 | kugel | if we decide for gerrit :) |
| 11:17:14 | GodEater__ | well, true ;) |
| 11:17:27 | GodEater__ | this is the initial plan, subject to change ;) |
| 11:18:34 | n1s | will old fs patches just be dropped? |
| 11:21:03 | GodEater__ | I think that's the plan - especially for very old ones that no-one works on any more. |
| 11:21:13 | GodEater__ | I suspect we'll archive them off somewhere so we don't lose them forever |
| 11:21:18 | GodEater__ | but just remove public access to them |
| 11:22:06 | n1s | ok |
| 11:22:16 | JdGordon | does anyone know of a better bug tracker? FS isnt really great |
| 11:22:43 | GodEater__ | there's bugzilla, but that's horrific ;) |
| 11:22:50 | GodEater__ | or JIRA |
| 11:22:55 | GodEater__ | which we use at work |
| 11:23:02 | GodEater__ | I *think* JIRA is free for OSS projects. |
| 11:23:22 | GodEater__ | (as in beer, not as in libre) |
| 11:24:24 | JdGordon | we use JIRA at work also, i dont tihnk its any better |
| 11:24:34 | B4gder | bugzilla is great for really large groups and amounts of bugs imho |
| 11:24:59 | B4gder | I also suspect it is a bit of a pain to setup nicely |
| 11:25:22 | n1s | the newish bugzilla look at least makes it bearable to look at |
| 11:25:48 | n1s | FS is pretty much dead, isn't it? |
| 11:26:46 | B4gder | I think trac is decent, but I haven't used it in a project with massive amount of bugs |
| 11:27:56 | GodEater__ | JdGordon: can you articulate what you think is wrong with FS? And what features bug tracking software 'Z' must implement to be better? |
| 11:28:40 | JdGordon | (not being difficult) No, not really.... just umm |
| 11:29:05 | n1s | i'd like if it could just present patches as text instead of binary |
| 11:29:22 | n1s | the mime thingy i suppose |
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| 11:30:02 | GodEater__ | n1s: I think ignore FS's patch features, since the idea is not to use it for them anymore anyhow. |
| 11:30:46 | n1s | might still post a patch for testing in a bug report, no? |
| 11:30:57 | GodEater__ | ideally no |
| 11:31:17 | GodEater__ | post a patch to gerrit (or whatever we go to), and a FS# with it. |
| 11:32:26 | n1s | what if the patch isn't for inclusion but just a quick hack to confirm a suspicion, will it still go into gerrit? |
| 11:33:02 | GodEater__ | yes, because it's still a much better place to work with patches |
| 11:33:31 | B4gder | right, but if the patch isn't meant to be committed, I think gerrit feels like the wrong destination |
| 11:34:29 | B4gder | like if you provide a patch that is a recipe to repeat a bug |
| 11:35:11 | GodEater__ | mailling list then |
| 11:36:17 | * | B4gder is a mail person so everything that suggests mail is a good suggestion =) |
| 11:36:18 | kugel | or pastebin :) |
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| 11:56:26 | Torne | I think ukleinek's link there to linus's mail makes my point, not yours :) |
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| 11:57:04 | Torne | there's no value, generally, in merging whatever random local changes you have made, rather than you rebasing them to be a neat single patch that you would happily email |
| 11:57:29 | Torne | when people collaborate on actual feature branches which get merged from master repeatedly, that is the time you want to be merging |
| 11:58:24 | Torne | for the vast majority of changes, pushing a merge just makes history more complicated for literally zero benefit to anyone |
| 11:58:49 | Torne | so yeah. gerrit does a lot of the work for you there. |
| 11:59:07 | Torne | If you upload a patch for review and then submit it, it will cherrypick it for you. you get it applied as if it had been rebased but you don't have to do anything |
| 11:59:42 | Torne | the point of disallowing pushing merge commits by default is to encourage people to use that workflow unless they have a really good reason |
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| 12:00:21 | Torne | I think there is a lot of value in the process linus describes there, where once you are done with a thing you go back and look at how to present it |
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| 12:00:37 | Torne | git handles this pretty well in general, interactive rebase is super awesome. |
| 12:01:07 | Torne | As the demo page says none of this is final |
| 12:01:23 | Torne | gerrit doesn't require you do it this way; I have just configured it this way for now to see what people think |
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| 12:03:36 | Torne | http://blog.prelode.com/2011/04/history-cleanliness-in-git/ discusses some of this |
| 12:03:43 | Torne | possibly interesting. |
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| 12:11:16 | kugel | Torne: I'm not meaning to encourage merge commits, but they some times make more sense especially if you push changes that are not your work (i.e. what linus describes) |
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| 12:15:59 | kugel | and generally rebasing/rewriting history is bad once you published anything |
| 12:16:39 | kugel | so having branches in our git repo, but not allowing to merge them back into master without rebase is kinda wrong |
| 12:17:25 | Torne | huh? |
| 12:17:55 | Torne | of course you don't rebase branches that have been published |
| 12:19:23 | Torne | not allowing merges by default is to stop people doing it by accident |
| 12:21:33 | Torne | we aren't going to have the workflow linux has where people aggregate loads of other people's patches |
| 12:21:46 | kugel | true |
| 12:21:54 | Torne | almost all commits to our tree will be single things people have written in one locla commit |
| 12:22:02 | kugel | yes |
| 12:22:04 | Torne | those things gain nothing by being merged instead of rebased/cherrypicked. |
| 12:22:12 | kugel | yes |
| 12:22:32 | Torne | and when you have a locla branch often you do want to flatten that before submit anyway because your intermediate state was not actually interesting to anyone else. |
| 12:22:49 | Torne | So, yeah. When someone actually uses a shared feature branch for some time and the history of that is considered important, then you merge it. |
| 12:23:05 | Torne | this is the process i prefer to keep a moderate level of history cleanliness. |
| 12:23:22 | Torne | Do you agree with that in principle? Or do you prefer something else? |
| 12:23:32 | JdGordon | I think Torne gets to control it if he's driving the change over anyway :) |
| 12:23:37 | Torne | JdGordon: not at all |
| 12:23:40 | kugel | yes, in principle |
| 12:23:54 | kugel | but currently there's no way of merging is there? |
| 12:23:56 | * | JdGordon wants someone to push the button already |
| 12:24:04 | Torne | JdGordon: we're not doing it until after release |
| 12:24:11 | JdGordon | ok |
| 12:24:13 | Torne | kugel: right. so to that end, i've configured gerrit to cherrypick when applying patches, and i've disallowed all uploading of merges. |
| 12:24:20 | Torne | but that's not a global option or anything :) |
| 12:24:29 | Torne | i can give people permission to merge |
| 12:24:37 | kugel | great |
| 12:24:46 | Torne | i just don't think it should be the default for everyone |
| 12:24:58 | Torne | because the workflow that most git tutorials push you towards cause *lots* of merges |
| 12:25:48 | Torne | also it can be different on different branches/refs |
| 12:26:17 | Torne | so if we host feature branches on our gerrit, we can allow merging into those by whoever so that people can easily keep up to date from master |
| 12:26:37 | * | bertrik will probably accidentally screw things up if given the opportunity |
| 12:26:56 | Torne | kugel: it's just a sanity thing |
| 12:27:07 | Torne | kugel: similarly I wasn't intending to give everyone the ability to push tags by default |
| 12:27:20 | Torne | because tagging stuff is Significant and we don't want it done by accident |
| 12:27:41 | Torne | but that doesn't mean we can't tag anything; you just give whoever's looking after the release permission to do it |
| 12:28:03 | Torne | does that make more sense? |
| 12:28:10 | kugel | not sure |
| 12:28:12 | Torne | I was going to explain some of this on the demo guide page but I ran out of time |
| 12:28:19 | kugel | is tagging easy to do by accident? |
| 12:28:32 | kugel | with svn everyone can tag and we haven't had problems with this |
| 12:28:51 | Torne | tagging stuff locally is quick and easy and sometimes useful to keep track of stuff when you rare doing complicated things |
| 12:29:03 | Torne | pushing doesn't push tags by default, though |
| 12:29:16 | * | kugel never used tags locally |
| 12:29:26 | JdGordon | you're hardly the only person to use git though |
| 12:29:52 | Torne | well, it's still not trivial to push a tag by accident. |
| 12:30:06 | Torne | The difference with svn here is that git tags are part of history |
| 12:30:21 | Torne | so if you *do* tag the wrong thing then you are not able to undo that without revising history and breaking people's repos |
| 12:30:32 | Torne | if you tag the wrong thing as 3.9 then, yeha. time to release 3.9.1 |
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| 12:31:14 | kugel | I don't see accidental tagging as a probable problem |
| 12:31:25 | Torne | probably not |
| 12:31:34 | Torne | but deliberate tagging is very infrequent |
| 12:31:52 | bertrik | Do we have someone who knows how to fix things if something goes wrong anyway? |
| 12:31:59 | Torne | bertrik: You generally *can't* |
| 12:32:05 | Torne | revising history once it's been public is bad |
| 12:32:17 | Torne | for tags, if you tag 3.9 and someone clnes the repo, they get that tag |
| 12:32:28 | Torne | if you later revise what that tag points to, those people who cloned the bad one *will not see it change* |
| 12:32:39 | Torne | unless they explicitly discard and refetch the tag in their clone |
| 12:32:56 | Torne | so you end up with more than one different thing which identifies itself as the same version :) |
| 12:33:31 | kugel | git tag −−help says there's two ways: 1) a new tag with different name, 2) make a big announcement for breaking all clones :) |
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| 12:33:41 | Torne | yes, exactly |
| 12:33:47 | Torne | you don't actually do 2) ;) |
| 12:33:57 | Torne | and 1) is not really a fix ;) |
| 12:34:24 | bertrik | In that case, I'm very much in favour of having just a few people (e.g. release manager) having the ability to tag |
| 12:35:05 | Torne | aanyway, my point was that the same knda thing applies to merges. |
| 12:35:17 | Torne | if everyone can merge then lots of people will merge; this is much easier to do by "accident" |
| 12:35:35 | Torne | and the result is a complicated history that includes uninteresting intermediate states of development |
| 12:35:50 | * | Torne idles. |
| 12:38:21 | kugel | Torne: so I need to ask you for permissions the first time I want to merge? |
| 12:38:32 | kugel | or can I give it myself? |
| 12:39:34 | bertrik | I think maybe we should have voted for (git+workflow) instead of just saying "let's go git" |
| 12:40:18 | kugel | we're working out the workflow currently :) |
| 12:40:44 | kugel | so, you should take the chance and have a play with the gerrit demo |
| 12:43:15 | bertrik | I would have very much preferred the situation where the git proponents proposed a reasonable work flow beforehand |
| 12:45:00 | GodEater__ | bertrik: well technically we're still in "beforehand" |
| 12:45:19 | GodEater__ | if we can't agree on a workflow, the decision to go to git can still be reversed. |
| 12:45:24 | kugel | bertrik: if you havent used git you propbably don't understand the proposed workflow anyway |
| 12:45:56 | bertrik | kugel, if I don't understand it, then it's probably too complicated anyway :) |
| 12:46:23 | GodEater__ | it's not complicated, it's just quite different |
| 12:46:37 | GodEater__ | too many folks coming from svn assume it works exactly the same |
| 12:46:42 | GodEater__ | which is the stumbling block |
| 12:47:02 | Zagor | I for one welcome this examination and exploration of alternative workflows. it's not like we did things the perfect way before. |
| 12:47:39 | n1s | and complicated |
| 12:48:09 | n1s | hmm, wasn't scrolled down fully there |
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| 12:49:07 | n1s | yeah, investigating the workflow is good |
| 12:56:50 | JdGordon | have we frozen yet? |
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| 13:03:42 | kugel | where put I voice files into? .rockbox/langs/? |
| 13:04:00 | pamaury | where can we see the gerrit demo ? |
| 13:04:21 | kugel | see GerritDemoGuide |
| 13:04:23 | bertrik | pamaury, see the GerritDemoGuide wiki page |
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| 13:10:39 | AlexP | JdGordon: not yet |
| 13:10:49 | AlexP | You'll get an email and the topic will change etc. |
| 13:11:01 | AlexP | Basically I'll announce it :) |
| 13:11:37 | Torne | Zagor: that was the plan, yes |
| 13:11:47 | Torne | Zagor: letting people actually try things out and learn |
| 13:11:54 | n1s | kugel: yes |
| 13:12:01 | Torne | instead of asking people with minimal/no git experience to decide what the workflow should be |
| 13:12:05 | JdGordon | AlexP: yeah, I wasnt sure if I'd missed it yet :) I wont commit the patch anyway so no big deal |
| 13:12:22 | Torne | kugel: i can make it so you can give yourself permission. i don't know if we want to do that |
| 13:12:36 | AlexP | I'll just do what I'm told |
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| 13:13:00 | kugel | Torne: why not? it's not like we're going to abuse the system |
| 13:14:58 | GodEater__ | hahahaha |
| 13:15:06 | GodEater__ | no. of course not. We don't know ANY committers like that. |
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| 13:15:59 | JdGordon | NONE! |
| 13:22:46 | Torne | kugel: The thing there is that people will ;) |
| 13:23:02 | kugel | why? |
| 13:23:11 | Torne | if we want to encourage a given workflow then having one easy step to opt yourself out of *any* enforcement of that workflow is not super ideal |
| 13:23:17 | kugel | we don't trust committers to do the right thing anymore? |
| 13:23:50 | Torne | I don't trust a bunch of people who are new to a given tool and workflow to just do the right thing without any help, no |
| 13:23:51 | JdGordon | we never did |
| 13:24:20 | Torne | i'm not assuming malice here :) |
| 13:24:48 | kugel | Torne: I trust that bunch of people do not change the default until they're confortable with the tool and understand what the default does |
| 13:25:05 | kugel | JdGordon: pretty sure we did |
| 13:25:07 | Torne | kugel: Right. That might be reasonable |
| 13:25:18 | Torne | i'm just not sure if it's ideal |
| 13:25:19 | * | Torne shrugs |
| 13:26:01 | Torne | before we get into a great amount of detail about how to enforce/encourage workflow we should proabbly settle on what we want it to be :) |
| 13:26:50 | Torne | in terms of the capabilities of gerrit: it can allow/disallow merges based on what project and branch and user is trying to do it |
| 13:27:07 | Torne | it can have groups where you can add yourself (by having another group you are already in as the owner of the new group) |
| 13:27:21 | Torne | it can submit gerrit-owned changes by merge or fastforward or cherrypick |
| 13:27:42 | Torne | this is all up to us, and I'm not at all certain that the current config is even remotely like what we will want |
| 13:27:48 | Torne | it's just my first thought :) |
| 13:28:26 | kugel | is it possible to have multiple commits in one review? |
| 13:28:30 | Torne | no. |
| 13:28:33 | Torne | it's a patch review system |
| 13:28:38 | Torne | it reviews individual patches |
| 13:28:54 | Torne | flatten your history if you want to upload it as one patch |
| 13:29:12 | Torne | Hm, actualyl |
| 13:29:24 | Torne | I'm not sure what it actually does if you upload a branch that ends in a merge commit for review. |
| 13:29:58 | Torne | I suspect it will upload it as N+1 patches, for the N changes on the branch and then for the actual merge commit (which will have an empty diff if there are no conflicts) |
| 13:30:45 | Torne | how about this: i'll clone the sandbox repository and create a second one that submits by merging and allows merges to be uploaded. |
| 13:30:56 | Torne | then if you want to experiment with how that works you can |
| 13:31:05 | kugel | I think merging by cherry-pick is great |
| 13:31:18 | kugel | unless it can merge a series of patches at once? |
| 13:31:24 | Torne | it can, yes |
| 13:31:36 | Torne | if you set the submit method to merge, it will merge all dependent patches together |
| 13:31:48 | Torne | requiring that they *all* are reviewed +2 and so on |
| 13:31:58 | Torne | this doesn't work when submit is done by cherrypick. |
| 13:32:02 | Torne | dependencies are ignored |
| 13:32:16 | kugel | ignored? |
| 13:32:35 | kugel | does that mean accidentally submitting in the wrong order or forgetting a dependancy breaks things? |
| 13:32:52 | Torne | it means it will submit exactly the patch you tell it to submit, and no others |
| 13:33:15 | Torne | the cherrypick may fail because of an earlier patch in the series being missing, or it may not |
| 13:33:18 | Torne | depends what the actual changes are. |
| 13:34:17 | kugel | hm |
| 13:34:17 | Torne | so when you are submitting by cherrypick the dependencies are for human-reading only |
| 13:34:17 | kugel | not nice |
| 13:34:17 | Torne | Indeed. |
| 13:34:17 | Torne | But it's kinda unavoidable |
| 13:34:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Torne |
| 13:34:17 | Torne | The whole point of cherrypicking is the target branch doesn't have to be at the same point as the thing the change is based on |
| 13:34:33 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 13:34:33 | * | Torne goes to get some lunch, brb |
| 13:34:55 | * | GodEater__ expects Torne to be back in about 1 minute, given the proximity of the google restaurant. |
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| 13:59:34 | Torne | GodEater: you are foolishly assuming that i'm going to come right back to my desk ;) |
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| 14:00:20 | GodEater | Torne: ;) |
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| 14:04:06 | Torne | someone has managed to resort the committer list by name instead of username |
| 14:05:00 | GodEater | on the spreadsheet you mean? |
| 14:05:08 | Torne | yedah :0 |
| 14:05:16 | Torne | Oh, wait |
| 14:05:24 | Torne | rasher probably did it while he was generating the email list for me |
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| 14:21:17 | * | Buschel is surprised by the compile speed of Ubuntu under VMWare vs. cygwin |
| 14:21:42 | Buschel | 7:45m -> 1:50m for a clean build |
| 14:21:54 | Buschel | but the CPU's are only used 50% :/ |
| 14:22:02 | Torne | is vmware being multicore? |
| 14:22:18 | Torne | also that really shouldn't surprise you |
| 14:22:25 | B4gder | cygwin is for the ones with patience, not for the ones in a hurry =) |
| 14:22:29 | Torne | the gcc driver forks a lot. |
| 14:22:33 | Torne | cygwin forking is agonisingly slow |
| 14:25:43 | Buschel | Torne: it uses 4 CPU's but multithreading does not seem to work |
| 14:25:43 | Torne | i mean is the VM actually emulating a machine with 4 cores |
| 14:25:43 | Buschel | Torne: yes, Ubuntu sees 4 PCU's |
| 14:25:43 | Buschel | CPU's |
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| 14:45:26 | Torne | does anyone have interesting photos from devcon? please email link to torne@wolfpuppy.org.uk so i can steal some for blog post about it |
| 14:55:50 | GodEater | Torne: did you have to do much butchery to the text? |
| 14:55:57 | Torne | i've not touched the text yet :0 |
| 14:56:03 | Torne | i've been doing, yaknow, actual work |
| 14:56:08 | GodEater | outrageous |
| 14:56:10 | Torne | i'll do it later this week |
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| 16:39:55 | Espreon | Uh, yeah... I made an American English translation file, and I was wondering whom I should send it to. |
| 16:40:38 | GodEater | rockbox-dev mailling list probably |
| 16:41:51 | Espreon | OK, I guess I'll do that. |
| 16:41:53 | Espreon | Thanks. |
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| 16:54:07 | AlexP | Espreon: I hope it doesn't feature any trailing prepositions :) |
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| 16:54:35 | AlexP | Right, any last minute things before we freeze? |
| 16:59:29 | GodEater | has JdGordon finished all the tasks we set him at DevCon yet? |
| 16:59:36 | Espreon | ... |
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| 17:00:00 | AlexP | Espreon: to whom I should send it :) |
| 17:00:57 | GodEater | thanks grammar nazi! |
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| 17:01:18 | AlexP | You are welcome :) |
| 17:01:19 | Espreon | From what I've read, the whole "trailing prepositions are pure evil" thing is just a result from Latin fetishism. |
| 17:01:33 | Espreon | So, yeah... |
| 17:01:42 | AlexP | Before this goes further, #rockbox-community |
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| 17:02:25 | Espreon | Oh, all right. |
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| 17:05:44 | Topic | "Now in feature freeze for 3.9 | Rockbox accepted for GSoC 2011 | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc | An upgrade caused issues with the wiki. We are on the case" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
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| 17:08:20 | Espreon | AlexP: Should I just assume that passing through genlang means that the translation file's fine? I can't really test, for my iPod is missing. |
| 17:08:33 | AlexP | Espreon: Whoever commits it will check |
| 17:08:39 | AlexP | It isn't a tough one anyway |
| 17:08:45 | AlexP | Just change some spelling |
| 17:08:45 | Espreon | OK. |
| 17:11:15 | AlexP | By that I mean that pretty much anyone can check it |
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| 17:14:05 | AlexP | Incidentally, we've been on the case with the wiki for ages now - it seems a bit superfluous in the topic. Are we still on the case of it thinking eery change is suspicious, or should that just be deleted? |
| 17:15:09 | Espreon | OK, sent. If it gets in, I won't have to put up with Frenchie spellings anymore. ;) |
| 17:15:53 | AlexP | heh :) |
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| 17:19:28 | Espreon | AlexP: Was I too late for 3.9? |
| 17:19:46 | AlexP | Espreon: No, translations can still go in |
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| 17:20:03 | Espreon | OK, cool. |
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| 17:35:42 | saratoga | running a battery bench on my variant 0 clip+ with and without sd card inserted (but nothing on it) decreases battery life by 15 minutes |
| 17:35:54 | saratoga | results may be different on variant 1 devices though |
| 17:38:03 | bertrik | saratoga, nice to know |
| 17:38:20 | saratoga | a couple months ago someone reported a huge difference, probably with a variant 1 device |
| 17:38:27 | saratoga | although maybe thats now fixed given all the changes |
| 17:38:29 | bertrik | I think sandisk mentions somewhere that their cards go into some kind of low power mode when the clock is stopped |
| 17:38:32 | gevaerts | saratoga: what's the total time? |
| 17:38:40 | saratoga | 16:30 without sd |
| 17:38:44 | bertrik | so I think it can depend hugely on the exact type of card |
| 17:38:46 | saratoga | playing lame v2 mp3s |
| 17:38:58 | saratoga | I used an 8GB kingston card |
| 17:39:24 | saratoga | don't we cut power to the card entirely when its not used? |
| 17:40:21 | bertrik | We stop the clock to the sd controller in sd_enable() when there is no access going on. I think we don't cut power to the card. |
| 17:43:35 | saratoga | if the cards unclocked it shouldn't be using power |
| 17:46:20 | bertrik | we're not doing so bad anyway on the clip+ :) |
| 17:46:41 | bertrik | about 18 mA |
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| 18:16:42 | CIA-58 | New commit by bertrik (r29998): FS #12155 - Update espanol.lang Spanish translation |
| 18:19:50 | CIA-58 | r29998 build result: All green |
| 18:34:00 | CIA-58 | New commit by bluebrother (r29999): Manual: update copyright year. We are still working on this. |
| 18:35:52 | Espreon | Hmmm, my message hasn't showed up in the archive. |
| 18:36:50 | AlexP | Did you subscribe before sending? |
| 18:37:02 | CIA-58 | r29999 build result: All green |
| 18:37:03 | Espreon | Oh, no. |
| 18:37:11 | AlexP | Right, you need to be :) |
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| 18:40:07 | Espreon | OK, I subscribed and resent it. |
| 18:40:20 | AlexP | yeah, it has turned up |
| 18:40:38 | Espreon | Yay. |
| 18:45:04 | bluebrother | Espreon: you could try the translation in the simulator. |
| 18:45:22 | Espreon | bluebrother: How do I compile the simulator? |
| 18:46:11 | bluebrother | Espreon: pretty similar than the normal build, just choose (S)imulator when running configure |
| 18:46:43 | Espreon | Ah, yes. |
| 18:47:21 | bluebrother | Espreon: see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator (not sure if that page is up to date but it doesn't seem to be terribly outdated on a quick look) |
| 18:47:33 | Espreon | OK. Thanks. |
| 18:47:44 | bluebrother | you're welcome :) |
| 18:50:12 | CIA-58 | New commit by kugel (r30000): Fix FS #11387 - PictureFlow runs jerkily while playing music on Nano2G after the recent feature addition ... |
| 18:50:40 | kugel | oh, r30k. nice :) |
| 18:53:06 | CIA-58 | r30000 build result: All green |
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| 18:55:04 | funman | hi |
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| 18:56:08 | Espreon | Hello. |
| 18:56:25 | funman | r29221 broke gcc 4.6.0, gcc can't ensure that the shift argument is within 0-32 (although it is always in this range) |
| 18:56:42 | funman | ("M" constraint in asm) |
| 18:56:47 | * | Bagder does the r30000 dance |
| 18:57:48 | funman | \o/ |
| 18:58:01 | kugel | \o/ |
| 18:58:18 | AlexP | kugel has been holding that commit back for ages :) |
| 18:58:21 | kugel | funman: are you sure you linked the right revision? I see no M constraint |
| 18:58:21 | * | gevaerts congratulates kugel on managing to get a *green* r30000 :) |
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| 18:58:50 | chkktri | http://cia.vc/stats/project/rockbox/.message/5b7e96 |
| 18:59:02 | chkktri | AND WE HAVE A WINNER |
| 18:59:05 | chkktri | :D |
| 18:59:23 | funman | kugel: in FRACMUL_SHL |
| 18:59:56 | kugel | funman: that commit is about bit functions |
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| 19:00:32 | funman | ah that's 29921 sorry |
| 19:00:48 | kugel | also, gcc doesn't need to ensure shift arguments to be between 0 and 31. it can assume that, everything else is undefined |
| 19:01:17 | funman | it says something along the lines of "operand 4 probably doesn't match 'M' constraint" |
| 19:03:49 | funman | http://pastie.org/2061758 |
| 19:05:34 | Espreon | And it works. |
| 19:05:38 | Espreon | Hooray. |
| 19:05:41 | funman | with older gcc i already see these diagnostics with "I" constraint (>= 0 && <= 255) but only at -O0 |
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| 19:18:35 | * | GodEater wonders if bertrik will be making a habit of pushing text files with execute bits set on them |
| 19:18:55 | Torne | GodEater: heh |
| 19:19:05 | Torne | GodEater: i haven't done anything about line endings yet but I will sort that in the real repo |
| 19:19:14 | Torne | I will be forcing LF in all text file types |
| 19:19:27 | Torne | not sure about the execute bit |
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| 19:20:24 | Torne | git is supposed to detect if your repo is on a broken filesystem that doesn't handle execute bit right, and ignore it |
| 19:23:18 | GodEater | good |
| 19:23:37 | GodEater | I don't mind having it set on stuff that is supposed to be executed, but text files just annoy me! |
| 19:25:19 | Torne | i removed the superfluous ones from svn the other day |
| 19:25:24 | GodEater | I saw |
| 19:25:31 | Torne | there were a lot. :) |
| 19:25:36 | GodEater | yep |
| 19:25:45 | Torne | people's success rates with setting svn properties for keywords and eol-style appears to be pretty low also |
| 19:25:48 | GodEater | we ought to make people who commit them pay a forfeit |
| 19:25:58 | Torne | git handles EOLs more sensibly |
| 19:26:21 | Torne | (and we're killing keywords, yay) |
| 19:26:28 | GodEater | \o/ |
| 19:28:02 | * | Torne suspects the right strategy for EOL is to force LF in all text files not just on checkin but on checkout also |
| 19:28:11 | Torne | i.e. ignore platform EOLs entirely |
| 19:28:16 | Torne | such that you get linefeeds even on windows |
| 19:28:21 | Torne | and if your editor is too thick to handle that then tough |
| 19:28:27 | Torne | at least the *build tools* will sodding work |
| 19:29:22 | Torne | we alrady have, er, 42 files that behave that way in svn because someone set eol-style to LF by accident. amusingly |
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| 19:37:36 | CIA-58 | New commit by learman (r30001): Update Swedish translation. |
| 19:40:46 | CIA-58 | r30001 build result: All green |
| 19:43:35 | GodEater | Torne: I couldn't agree more with that strategy |
| 19:44:25 | Torne | unless there's any windows-specific util/tools files we ahve that need to have CRLFs to work |
| 19:44:43 | Torne | (but we can always mark those as, again, always having CRLF) |
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| 20:22:30 | chkktri | рь |
| 20:22:32 | chkktri | hm* |
| 20:22:40 | chkktri | se FLAC fils are unplayable |
| 20:22:47 | chkktri | is that know issue? |
| 20:23:49 | chkktri | n* |
| 20:24:29 | kisak | n what? |
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| 20:27:57 | chkktri | known* |
| 20:28:14 | chkktri | i wonder how many typos i can make at once >_> |
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| 20:38:19 | linuxstb | chkktri: What device are you running Rockbox on? What happens when you try to play them? Do other formats work OK? |
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| 21:07:41 | Szeraax | Hi! So I am compiling source, but while running Rockbox.sh for the cross compilers, I had to cancel the script with ^c. What can I do to resume the script correctly? |
| 21:08:36 | Szeraax | Hi! So I am compiling source, but while running Rockbox.sh for the cross compilers, I had to cancel the script with ^c. What can I do to resume the script correctly? |
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| 21:16:54 | Szeraax | Test |
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| 21:23:08 | saratoga | Szeraax: probably just rerun it |
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| 21:27:02 | chkktri | linuxstb, Cowon D2+, skips to next file, other formats fors fine |
| 21:27:12 | chkktri | sorry for delay v_v |
| 21:27:35 | chkktri | works* |
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| 22:11:42 | * | [Saint] congratulates the team on r30000 |
| 22:12:09 | n1s | \o/ |
| 22:12:49 | [Saint] | 30000 commits, ~6000 committers...that's really something. |
| 22:12:56 | [Saint] | d'oh! |
| 22:12:59 | [Saint] | *600 |
| 22:14:03 | Bagder | 600 contributors, "only" 126 ever committed anything =) |
| 22:15:09 | * | [Saint] cleaims that that's what he meant ;) |
| 22:15:28 | [Saint] | I just woke up, happened to see the 30K and thought "\o/" |
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| 22:21:06 | Szer | Test |
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| 22:21:09 | * | jhMikeS does the beef jerkily 30k dance |
| 22:22:18 | Szer | test |
| 22:22:35 | Bagder | Szer: please stop that |
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| 22:25:01 | Szer | Yay!, ok, so |
| 22:25:10 | Szer | Sorry, I have been having connection issues |
| 22:25:21 | AlexP | 30,000 commits and it still sounds like a bag of shit :) |
| 22:25:25 | Szer | Hi! So I am compiling source, but while running Rockbox.sh for the cross compilers, I had to cancel the script with ^c. What can I do to resume the script correctly? |
| 22:25:29 | Torne | just run it again |
| 22:25:42 | Torne | it doesn't really resume |
| 22:25:47 | Torne | but it will reuse the downloaded files |
| 22:25:48 | AlexP | delete the /tmp/rbdev-build directory if it complains |
| 22:26:10 | saratoga | Szer: i answered you above, check the logs |
| 22:28:26 | Szer | I get"mkdir ... " Error: cannot create directory, directory exists |
| 22:28:37 | AlexP | See what I said |
| 22:28:38 | Szer | do I need to put some sort of −−force? |
| 22:29:04 | AlexP | Just delete the /tmp/rbdev-build directory like I said |
| 22:29:16 | AlexP | I think that is what it is called |
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| 22:39:25 | pamaury | Shouldn't some values in target/arm/s5l8702/ipod6g/mmcdefs-target.h be in target/export/mmc.h ? |
| 22:39:33 | pamaury | like the commands and arguments ? |
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| 22:41:20 | Szer | Awesome, thanks AlexP and others for your help. Sorry for the frustrations from my connection... |
| 22:41:32 | AlexP | you're welcome |
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| 23:08:59 | bertrik | wow, so we have 238 commits on average per committer |
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| 23:39:09 | CIA-58 | New commit by bertrik (r30002): FS #12156 - Update Galician translation by Ismael Castiñeira Álvarez |
| 23:42:20 | CIA-58 | r30002 build result: All green |
| 23:46:30 | CIA-58 | New commit by pamaury (r30003): sbtools: add support for the mode command (rarely used) and explicit env variable to skip version check |
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