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#rockbox log for 2011-06-18

00:00:27pamaurythere are some subtle differences
00:00:35gevaertsI believe the connections are, but as far as I understand (which isn
00:00:49TheSevenyeah, but i would have expected the vast majority of defines to be identical?
00:00:50pamaurythe electrical part is the same however (I think)
00:00:51TheSevenoh, and in that file there's also some unrelated stuff: MMC_CMD_CEATA_* and all those emcore compatibility macros at the top
00:00:54gevaertst *that* much), the reader needs to handle both separately
00:02:25pamauryyou can leave the unrelated stuff
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00:02:46pamauryand hardcode the things without BIT and BITRANGE
00:02:53pamauryor discuss to have them everywhere :)
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00:04:36TheSevenBIT(x) seems much more readable to me than (1 << x), especially in deeply nested expressions
00:04:48TheSevenand bitrange is even worse
00:05:23TheSeventhe other defines aren't needed in the header file, but will be needed in the ATA driver
00:05:24bertrik(1<<x) is obvious to me, I'd have to look up BIT(x)
00:05:44TheSeveni consider both pretty much obvious
00:06:22TheSevenbut for masks you'd usually use hex notation, which is rather prone to mistakes
00:06:57TheSevenBITRANGE(x, y) allows to specify the start and end bit numbers (both inclusive), rather than having to calculate the mask by hand
00:07:22Espreonbertrik: Are you busy? If not, I wanted to talk about the status of my translation, which I sent to the dev list.
00:08:01AlexPEspreon: It is just nobody has got round to it
00:08:14AlexPI will try to this weekend if nobody else does first
00:08:27EspreonOh, all right then. Thanks.
00:08:32bertrikWhat translation is this?
00:08:50bertrikI wonder if we really need a translation for that.
00:08:54EspreonYes, we do.
00:09:05AlexPbertrik: I don't see the harm
00:09:26AlexPUnless you go looking for it you won't notice it
00:09:34EspreonHaving to see Frenchie spellings makes me want to smash my iPod.
00:09:50AlexPEspreon: Now you know how we feel in everything else :)
00:10:23bertrikAlexP, ok
00:10:23AlexPTorne: yes, humour him :)
00:10:43gevaertsTorne: they have the statue of liberty, and all other French stuff annoys them :)
00:10:57AlexPbertrik: I agree in a way, but having to put up with American spellings in most things annoys me somewhat too
00:11:08AlexPSo I can understand the desire for this
00:11:28Espreongevaerts: Honestly, I don't want to have to see it.
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00:12:13AlexPAt least proper spellings are still default :)
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00:13:11EspreonAnd there you go! Unaware that a good deal of our spellings are just older.
00:13:36AlexPThis isn't the place for this argument
00:13:58EspreonI don't wish to have it.
00:15:20AlexPI am British, I use British spellings, you are American, you use American spellings. We obviously prefer what is to each of us correct. As I've said, I understand why you want this (as I have to put up with far more US spelling in stuff than you have to put up with UK) - I've even said I'll commit it.
00:15:55EspreonYes, I accept that. I just don't like people being smartasses about it.
00:16:08AlexPer, what?
00:16:44gevaertsAs in people saying things about Frenchie spellings and stuff like that, you mean?>
00:16:58AlexPWe can both be snide and insulting
00:17:06AlexPBut let's not
00:17:11EspreonJust take my stuff, leave me alone about, and we call all be happy.
00:17:14Espreon*about it
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00:31:00CIA-27New commit by pamaury (r30010): fuze+: add more clocking code, add dma code, add ssp code, add stub usb code, update storage to SD + MMC, beginning of the driver
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00:32:04chai16for the person who suggested rsync to sync music to my rockboxed ipod, what script did you use?
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00:35:18CIA-27r30010 build result: All green
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00:41:57*pamaury hopes to have internal storage working on fuze+ really soon now
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01:36:50CIA-27New commit by bertrik (r30011): FS #12162 - Second June update of Czech language by Marek Salaba
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01:40:36CIA-27r30011 build result: All green
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04:39:42caterwaulis there anything I can do to help get my Monster iCarPlay Wireless 200 accessory working with my ipod Video 5g? i'm not a developer and I'd like to help get it working because i own one
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09:23:05*[Saint] wonders if JdGordon noticed his commit regarding "Mode" language strings doesn't take into account the position of the colon with RTL languages and just assumes the LTR "<word>:" which would look bloody weird I assume.
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09:23:31[Saint](not a criticism...just something I noticed ;))
09:25:46[Saint]the colon should probably be removed from the voice it doesn't become "Mode<semicolon>" when voiced.
09:27:01[Saint]Ah...whoops. just noticed the "Translators need to verify the voice string" in the commit description. my reader cut it off. I guess that "fixes" it...kinda :-S
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09:42:56pixelma[Saint]: why is the colon interesting in the voice string?
09:44:11pixelmawell, maybe it should have been removed altogether. I don't know how the different TTSs handle it, I could even imagine that there are differences
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09:57:44[Saint]Yeah, I mixed it up and realised that there's different sections for the voiced/displayed the LTR/RTL stuff I mentioned doesn't matter. IIUC some TTS will voice the punctuation though, and I'm not sure if that's desired or not.
09:58:00[Saint]If it is desired, then RTL/LTR differences come into play there.
09:59:43pixelmathere can also be other differences between voiced and displayed string (e.g. to keep the latter short for small displays which isn't necessary for voice). I'm not too happy with blindly copying one to the other
10:01:14[Saint]my initial concern was caused by me not noticing the "Translators need to verify the voice string" bit and assuming it would be left as-is.
10:02:24pixelmayes, and I'm afraid that this sentence can quickly get lost - I saw the email though which helps against that a bit at least
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10:03:40[Saint]I guess it helps a bit that it's a freeze period, and translators are usually given a poke during a freeze are they not?
10:04:39[Saint]ie. "Hey, release <foo> is around the corner, het your translations in before <date>"
10:06:35pixelmathey are but there are no "regular" translators for all languages - and now that the phrase is filled, it won't show up when running genlang (though it's possible that this would have happened anyway, as I seem to remember that voice only changes weren't found). So yeah
10:08:12JdGordonthe things people choose to have a hissy about.....
10:08:29JdGordonhow about complain that the voiceing merges the strings in an english speicifc way?
10:08:32[Saint]No one's hissy...
10:09:32pixelma"merge strings in an english specific way" - care to elaborate?
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10:14:02pixelmahwcodec targets could also have kept an empty string to keep the voice file a bit smaller and IIRC it's possible to have different features for dest and voice string
10:15:54JdGordonit was *: "" for all targets before so no
10:16:17pixelmasure... hwcodec: ""
10:16:26JdGordonand not all languages will want it voiced as "Mode foo"
10:16:47JdGordonpixelma: ok, so go for it
10:19:17pixelmathe merging is something that's not easily solvable I think, e.g. there is also a similar problem with numbers > 20 in German as word order is different to English
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13:15:59bluebroth3rAlexP, pixelma: what do you think of including the version in the manual footer like this?
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13:30:18pixelmalooks useful. It would be nice if people could tell which manual they are looking at, especially when they are using a release version (I think I saw some confused users due to this before)
13:30:49pixelmathis = running a release version but looking at a daily manual (or vice versa)
13:34:29bluebroth3ryep. The main concern I have is how it looks :)
13:34:51bluebroth3r(since we said it's useful at DevCon I don't have any concerns about that :)
13:41:50pixelmahmm, I didn't remember that we did. About the looks... welll the string looks quite long but I don't think there are many (other) choices where to put it
13:42:21pixelmaputting it there makes sense to me
13:43:41bluebroth3ryes, there's not much space left.
13:44:13bluebroth3rI guess I'll commit it that way then. We can always change it later, but then I can check that entry on my todo list :)
13:44:42bluebroth3rbtw, did you check the spell checking script I posted to gerrit?
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13:54:43pixelmaI'm also not sure if I could understand a spell checking script
13:55:18AlexPbluebroth3r: The footer looks nice
13:55:33AlexPFor the script I haven't got round to trying yet :)
13:57:41bluebroth3rpixelma: that script simply wraps aspell with a couple of options for checking the tex souce files
13:59:05pixelmadoesn't aspell require linux (or a linux package)?
14:02:18bluebroth3rno idea if it's available on Cygwin.
14:02:54bluebroth3rhmm, the cygwin website says it's available to I guess it should just work then.
14:03:00bluebroth3rmaybe I should try it later :)
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17:02:59kugel[Saint]: ?
17:03:15kugelmy screenshot was from the buflib-in-core debug output
17:03:58[Saint]Your paste. Basically me saying "Yay! I know what it is, but...the numbers mean nothing to me" ;)
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17:10:15n1si'd guess adress, size, thread but i don't know what kugel wants to say with it :)
17:11:32CIA-27New commit by learman (r30012): FS #12161: Correct the gapless processing for AAC, so that it doesn't remove too much from the start of a track. Also simplify the logic a bit.
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17:15:59CIA-27r30012 build result: All green
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17:20:30kugeln1s: address, size(+metadata and /sizeof(void*)) and alloc name
17:21:51n1skugel: so what do you want to tell us with it?
17:22:57kugeljust showing that I have buflib-in-core running (my gsoc project) :)
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17:24:32n1skugel: ah, ok
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17:43:33gevaertskugel: nice!
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19:06:43Davide-NYCFolks, I'm giving away a Palm Pre to anyone that is willing to take a stab at porting Rockbox to WebOS.
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19:10:54kugelDavide-NYC: I wish I had time
19:11:45[Saint]Hmmmm....perhaps the maemo/pandora dude might be interested?
19:11:55[Saint]I can never remember his nick
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19:19:53[Saint]Davide-NYC: It might be a better idea to attempt to pull someone already developing for WebOS (and that's interested in Rockbox as a project) into the Rockbox community, rather than trying to pull someone from the Rockbox development community into WebOS development.
19:19:58[Saint]...Just a thought.
19:20:28Davide-NYCI'll post in the appropriate forums/channels over there.
19:20:43pixelmamaybe you could also try to get attention on the dev ml
19:20:46[Saint]Good idea. It couldn;t hurt to cover both bases so to speak.
19:21:31Davide-NYCPlease feel free to email the dev list. I'm ont on it.
19:22:30Davide-NYCThe thing abou t trying to pull WebOD devs to Rockbox is that my hardware bribe is worthless tothem.
19:22:36Davide-NYCTHey already have devices.
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22:05:18ukleinekis it possible to compile rockbox for an arm target with an arm-linux-gnueabi toolchain? This would save me from compiling my own toolchain.
22:09:32sideralukleinek: Likely possible with some fiddling, but unsupported and untested. It'll probably take less time to install the supported tool chain.
22:09:47ukleineksideral: ok, thanks
22:09:53sideralThere's a script in the repo that does this entirely automatically
22:10:21ukleinekyeah, already found that. /me just doesn't like to have unpackaged software ...
22:10:53sideralI can relate to that. But that's what /usr/local is for :)
22:11:54sideralThere used to be packaging tools that looked at the contents of /usr/local before and after an self-rolled install, and kept enough meta info for an automated uninstall
22:12:22ukleinekat least stow would be nice
22:12:46sideralBut I've forgotten what they were called. My sysadmin skillz have acquired some rust in the past decade or so
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22:23:51ukleineksideral: tar could work :-)
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23:14:31bluebrotherfs-bluebot: .explain Rockbox
23:14:31fs-bluebotRockbox: Rockbox is an open source firmware for mp3 players, written from scratch. Rockbox is not Linux.
23:16:21sideralfs-bluebot: .explain bluebrother
23:16:21fs-bluebotI don't know about bluebrother
23:17:40sideralfs-bluebot: .explain mp3
23:17:40fs-bluebotI don't know about mp3
23:17:49sideralfs-bluebot: .explain scratch
23:17:49fs-bluebotI don't know about scratch
23:17:53sideralfs-bluebot: .explain Linux
23:17:54fs-bluebotI don't know about Linux
23:18:00bluebrotherheh, we could add common nicks to the explanation list
23:18:04sideralHmm, needs some more work I guess :)
23:18:56sideralfs-bluebot: .explain nothin'!!1!
23:18:57fs-bluebotI don't know about nothin'!!1!
23:19:39bluebrothersure. I've just implemented the functionality.
23:19:44bluebrotherfs-bluebot: .excuse
23:20:08bluebrotherhmm, seems that's not working.
23:20:15sideralbluebrother: No worries. I like it! :)
23:20:17bluebrotherwould have been useful right now :)
23:21:34sideralfs-bluebot: .explain Linux
23:21:34fs-bluebotLinux: Linux is not Rockbox
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23:22:26tripelbsideral - linix is an operating system. Rockbox is a program.
23:23:21sideralThanks tripelb! Looks like we don't need fs-bluebot to explain that :)
23:23:46bluebrotherah, someone figured how to add items to the explanations :)
23:23:48tripelban OS (operating system) does file housekeepting and makes sure the programs can interact with the I/O devices. . . and not get in each other's way
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23:24:32tripelbsideral.. no negative words to anyone - We are all here to help the best we can. some by asking questions, some by answering. most by both.
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23:24:41tripelbor about anyone
23:25:25tripelbcan I help you any moer, do it now cause I have to run sideral
23:25:45sideraltripelb: Thanks tripelb, I'm fine for now!
23:28:18sideralfs-bluebot: .explain bluebrother
23:28:18fs-bluebotbluebrother: bluebrother is my master and I must obey him.
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23:33:19tripelboh, It's a bot.
23:33:48bluebrotherthere's a reason it has "bot" in its nick ...
23:33:55tripelbfs-bluebot, explain the question about life the universe and everything
23:34:05bluebrotherdoesn't work this way
23:34:13wtachifs-bluebot: .explain fs-bluebot
23:34:13bluebrotherplus, it only explains single terms
23:34:13fs-bluebotI don't know about fs-bluebot
23:34:15tripelbfs-bluebot: explain the question about life the universe and everything
23:34:42bluebrotherfs-bluebot: .excuse
23:34:42tripelbbluebrother, sorry I'm ussally in a channel that has people with bot at the end of their name
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23:35:44tripelbotU can tell I'm not-a-bot because bots dont make typing errors.
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23:36:11tripelbotWe have a bot that gives quotes from eno cards (some deck by brian eno or with his sayings)
23:36:44tripelbotfs-bluebot: define promiscuity
23:36:44scorchetripelbot: this channel is reserved for rockbox-related chat only - this is not a social channel
23:37:19tripelbotoh - triplelb changes her behavior. sorry I thought I was elsewhere. My bad.
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23:39:19bluebrotherfs-bluebot: .excuse
23:39:19fs-bluebotbluebrother, your excuse is: because Bill Gates is a Jehovah's witness and so nothing can work on St. Swithin's day.
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