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#rockbox log for 2011-06-26

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00:07:06castigousI have a problem with My Sansa Fuze v1, it's not getting recognized in any computer when I connect it...
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00:08:53castigousAnyone there?
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00:09:58bertrikcastigous, do you see anything on the display?
00:10:34castigousYes, thanks!
00:11:10bertrikDoes USB still work with the original firmware?
00:11:13castigousI connect it and it start with the rockbox logo (not the sansa one) and then shuts off itself, and the start again and so on
00:11:45bertrikMaybe the battery is just really low
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00:12:24castigousI can use it as a player with the files that are already uploaded but in all computers I;'ve tried, noe can recognize the uit
00:12:41bertrikYou can probably still boot to the original firmware by holding a specific button on power-on
00:13:35castigousyes, I tried that but I cannot find which specific procedure −−the unit has only one button and I tried that one but nothing different happens
00:13:59castigousthe battery holds 64% now
00:14:35bertrikok, then the battery's not a problem then, maybe it's the cable
00:14:41castigousthe weird thing is that I've been using it with v3.8.1 since a couple of months ago without problem
00:15:21castigousYeah, I've tried another cable −−from one unit that I lost or got stolen from me−− and the problem is still there
00:15:41bertrikDoes USB still work with the original firmware? Or can't you boot into that anymore?
00:16:15castigousthat's the problem I cannot (or doesn't know how to) boot to the original firmware either
00:17:16castigousAs it has only one button apart from the on/off/lock switch, I've tried with it to no avail
00:17:24bertrikthere should be a left button
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00:18:32castigousactually I just realized there is a 2nd button (at the center of the iPod style circle) but nothing happen with it either
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00:19:04castigousat the left side is the microSD slot and the tiny mic input
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00:19:27castigousat the right there is only the on/off/lock switch
00:19:53bertrikyou can press in 4 directions on the round thing inside the scroll wheel
00:20:14castigouson front of it is the circle (I don't know how to call it, the Ipod style thing), one button at the center of it and another "home" button
00:21:20castigousOK, so I should with each of the 4 directions in the wheel? I'll try, give a minute...
00:21:56bertrikthe user manual says to hold the "left" button on power-up (either by power button or USB plugin) to go to the original firmware
00:22:08castigousHi! I just found out that
00:22:22castigousthe original firmware is booting YEAH!!!
00:22:28castigousNow what should I do?
00:23:30bertrikcheck if your computer can see the flash disk now, then check the integrity of the file system
00:24:26castigousrecognized by the computer, startting the checking
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00:25:51castigousWindows 7 says that the disk was succesfully scanned and that there are no problems with the file system
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00:26:40castigousAlthough I didn't check on the option that says "Scan for and attepmt recovery of bad secotrs"
00:27:02castigousshould I?
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00:27:38castigouswhat do you recommend? Should I upgrade to the current version of RB?
00:28:06bertrikyes, that's worth a try
00:28:20bertriknot sure what could be wrong if it worked before and suddenly stopped working
00:28:27castigousOK, I'll give it a try!
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00:29:44castigousYes. that bugs me, it's been working for the last 3 or so months and yesterday when trying to upload new files (with plenty of space) Windows tells me it can't find the unit and next time I connetc it, this things start happening
00:32:53castigousIn the Installation tab on the Rockbox Utility should I install the bootloader again? or just Install Rockbox?
00:33:41bertrikfirst just install rockbox without a new bootloader I think
00:36:53castigousOK ejecting now, and corssing fingers...
00:40:00castigousApparently, it worked I shutted it uff after the iriginal firmware kind of restted itself to the original settings, then with the unit off I connect to the cable and it ...
00:40:53castigous...starts with RB USB driver −−although it's saying "USB Keypad Mode : Multimedia", is that normal?
00:41:34castigousthe other day (like one month ago) A macbook recognized it as a USB keyboard
00:42:08bertrikI don't know, I think that's normal
00:42:22castigousOK, it seems that's it
00:42:29bertrikyou can use the fuze to control your PC's volume
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00:42:58bertrikI don't know the exact differences between multimedia, presentation, browser and mouse mode
00:43:24bertrikyou should also get a (or maybe two) USB disk volumes
00:44:13castigousTrying controlling the volume but nothing changes...
00:44:52castigousand what do you mena by USB disk volumes? like external USB hard disks? what for?
00:45:37bertrikOne or more drive letters that show the data on the fuze and it's microsd slot
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00:46:52castigousOK! yes I see one drive letter for the base "disk", the other one anly appears when there is a microcard
00:47:13bertrikok, so that looks normal now
00:47:29castigousCurious, the volume doesn't work but the play/pause and some other button works, Cool eh
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00:48:30castigousYeah, everything looks normal now, where did you find about the left button of the scroll-wheel being the one to use to start the original Firmware?, I didn't found anything of the sort
00:49:53bertrikparagraph 3.1.3 of the rockbox user manual for fuze
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00:51:24castigousI seet it now :( . Well that's seems to be all, THANK YOU Bertrik so much, you've been very helpful when I felt stuck with this problem, I hope it doesn't repeats...
00:51:36bertrikno problem :)
00:51:43castigous...but if it does, now I know what to do! Thanks!
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01:08:20castigousweird, it happened again ... it shuts itself off when transfering files, I'm gonna try with another computer to see if it happen there too
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01:17:25castigousIn the other computer the normal RB USB driver is not working but the sansa one does
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02:44:32owen1is there a way to revert back to the original OS on a sansa clip+ ?
02:44:58owen1i want to try rockbox but want to make sure it's reversible.
02:45:16krazykityes. installing and uninstalling is documented in the manual
02:45:33owen1krazykit: thanks!
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02:47:51owen1looks like it's dual boot. nice.
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02:49:48owen1i still have the original OS. i have a few mp3 in MUSIC folder. i can't find a way to play all my files (it's podcasts, btw) at once. i don't want to go back after i listened and pick the next one. am i crazy or just stupid?
02:50:33krazykiti guess you could just insert the whole directory. that'll make a playlist with everything on it
02:51:31owen1krazykit: so create a dir inside MUSIC?
02:52:10krazykitor wherever. making playlists and such is easy with rockbox
02:52:23krazykiti'd say just to install it, play with it, and consult the manual when needed
02:53:09owen1krazykit: ok. the issue i have is with the orinigal OS. i'll try putting all the podcasts in a folder inside MUSIC. thanks
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02:55:24owen1didn't work. i am shocked that this basic feature doesn't exist.
02:55:38owen1playing all my podcasts!
02:58:39krazykitwell, it doesn't have to be in music when you run rockbox
02:59:07krazykiti generally just keep mine in a seperate directory
02:59:25owen1krazykit: in the root? not inside MUSIC? let me try
02:59:34krazykitthis is with rockbox
02:59:39krazykiti've never used the OF on a clip
02:59:39owen1krazykit: oh
02:59:51krazykiti assumed you meant rockbox since we're in the rockbox channel
03:02:06owen1when i run rockbox with sh RockboxUtility i get RockboxUtility: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected. when i try it with ./RockboxUtility nothing happend
03:02:09owen1I use debian, btw.
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03:11:02krazykitwell, you're running X, aren't you? the latter command ought to work
03:12:04krazykitthe amd64 and x86 versions both opened up fine for me (64-bit debian)
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06:44:27owen1krazykit: wierd. it works now. trying it.
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07:14:23PurlingNayukiHi everybody. I wonder why the new vgm codec doesn't work on my OndaVX747.
07:17:55owen1i am trying to install rockbox on clip+. i downloaded the firmware ( but the install tells me 'ERR - original firmware unknown'
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07:39:23owen1figure it out. i used the wrong firmware.
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08:20:37owen1i installed rockbox. do i have to shut it down befor connecting to my comupter?
08:20:58PurlingNayukiNo you needn't.
08:21:04owen1when doing it i see the Original firmware(as mentioned in the manual).
08:21:11owen1ok. let me try without it.
08:25:35owen1is there any visual indication i should expect when connecting to my computer? i see nothing and dmesg shows nothing as well.
08:26:08PurlingNayukiRockbox itself should show a USB splash.
08:26:19owen1PurlingNayuki: nothing here
08:26:43owen1i was able to mount it only if after shutdown.
08:26:52PurlingNayukiWhat your device running Rockbox?
08:27:04owen1sansa clip+
08:29:09PurlingNayukiUSB support on Clip+/Clipv2/Fuzev2: USB support is currently disabled because it fails randomly with current svn code
08:30:42PurlingNayukiHowever, you can enable by defining something in autoconf.h when compiling.
08:31:28owen1PurlingNayuki: ok. i guess i'll shut it down for now. hopefully the next rockbox version will fix that.
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08:59:13owen1PurlingNayuki: thanks
08:59:44owen1can i delete all the folders I currently see (MUSIC, AUDIOBOOKS, etc)?
09:00:11PurlingNayukiOf course you can.
09:00:13PurlingNayukiBut, why?
09:01:35owen1PurlingNayuki: i only need my sansa for playing my podcasts. when i go to file i see this: ##MUSIC##, ##PORT##, AUDIBLE, AUDIOBOOKS, MUSIC, PODCASTS, ossible workaround the usb random failures on amsv2 (mainly clip+).
09:02:10owen1sorry about the ending of my sentence. i pasted by mistake.
09:02:39owen1i wanted to say that i have so many items in the file menu that i don't understand (##MUSIC##) or don't need
09:03:03PurlingNayukiRockbox isn't strict with the place you put your musics and podcasts.
09:03:07owen1when i go to files, it will be nice to see the list of my mp3
09:03:44owen1ok. so i can delete ALL the folders under the file menu, and move my mp3 into the root of the player?
09:03:45PurlingNayukiSo if you're sure the files in those folder aren't important for you, you can delete them all.
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09:11:22owen1PurlingNayuki: i deleted them (using rockbox UI), shutdown the sansa, pluged into my computer, moved the mp3 into the root, shut it down again (to use the rockbox and not the original firmware, and guess what - all the folders are back...
09:11:52owen1at least my mp3 are under 'FILE'
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09:13:42PurlingNayukiHave you ever synchronised between your computer and your sansa using WMP?
09:14:01owen1PurlingNayuki: no
09:14:17owen1using debian and don't have WMP
09:15:35owen1another question. when i am in the radio section. i can't find a way to go back to the main menu.
09:15:44owen1so i stuck there forever (-:
09:16:34owen1the same for the recording section
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09:19:20amiconnThese folders are recreated by the OF if you delete them. There's nothing we can do about that as long as we're using the OF for USB
09:19:36amiconnThey are empty though
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09:20:17PurlingNayukiI have no idea.
09:20:27PurlingNayukiI'm using touchscreen target.
09:20:52owen1amiconn: true, but i have to scroll them until i reach my mp3. annyoing.. what if i delete them not via the rockbox UI but from my computer, after connecting the device and using the original OF?
09:21:12saratogaput your mp3s in a folder, then set that folder as the default for the file browser
09:21:15amiconnThe OF will recreate them either way
09:21:36PurlingNayukiBoot into the OF, and set the USB mode into MTD?
09:21:47amiconnYou could try to make them hidden. I'm not sure whether the OF will remove that attribute again though
09:23:15amiconnowen1: Leaving the radio screen or the recording screen is simple: Just a short press of the power button
09:23:44owen1amiconn: interesting. thanks
09:24:17amiconnThere's this useful thing called manual (hint)
09:24:42owen1another problem i have. right and left arrow resume the podcast i am listening to instead of going to the next or previous podcast!
09:24:49PurlingNayukiIt has only English version.
09:25:05owen1so i can't play all my podcasts sequentialy!
09:25:35amiconnYes, the manual is English only
09:25:39owen1maybe it's the location of my mp3s. i'll try moving them back to MUSIC folder.
09:26:10owen1i see 2 of 10 at the bottom, but it's always play 2. never goes to 3 or 1.
09:26:10amiconnIt's a lot more work to translate the manual than to translate the firmware strings. Both are moving targets, but the manual is way more text
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09:27:09amiconnWith rockbox you can put your files anywhere you want (it's just not recommended to put them into the .rockbox folder)
09:27:36amiconnDid you enable "repeat one" mode by accident?
09:27:44owen1amiconn: i read that as well. let me see.
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09:29:08owen1amiconn: yes (-:
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11:37:54bertrikamiconn, pixelma: how many characters can the "Building DB %d found" string be at maximum?
11:40:45bertrikhm, the %d is variable length of course
11:41:41Horschtiso, is there an application for the PC that allows building a rockbox database? I have a lot of music on my 80Gb Ipod and rebuilding the database on the device takes 30+ minutes, so I'd like to be able to build the database when the ipod is connected to my PC. Also, so I can make a batch file that syncs my music and updates the database with a single click
11:41:50HorschtiFS #9371 does no longer work :(
11:41:51fs-bluebot create database application (patches, unconfirmed)
11:43:49bertrikI don't know
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11:45:45bertrikThere is something in tools/database. gevaerts funman kugel and n1s did some work in that directory
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11:46:35n1syeah, there's a pretty barebones thing in svn that shoudl work
11:46:46n1sit's never tested though so it might not
11:47:10bertrikyou can build a "Database" target through tools/configure and it compiles, but I don't know what it does :)
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11:47:33bertrikit creates a database.<target> file
11:49:06HorschtiFS #9371 used to work fine until a few months back. Apparently the database file structure has changed
11:49:07fs-bluebot create database application (patches, unconfirmed)
11:49:23bertrikIt's an executable, but it doesn't give any −−help. I guess you provide it with a path to the target disk
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11:50:30Horschtisongdb.exe -r R: -m update
11:51:03Horschtithat was the syntax. Basically, you parse the target disk with -r and what to do (update/create) with -m
11:51:42bertrikn1s, "it's never tested", huh?
11:52:32bertrikit compiles! ship it! :P
11:56:50bertrikIt looks like it just does a database_init, _build and _reverse_scan in the current directory
12:01:43Horschtijudging by my limited skills of reading source code, it seems like a _very_ skeleton file to demonstrate building tagcache db on host
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12:26:03*Torne wonders if anyone else is going to try the gerrit demo.
12:26:36bertrikgevaerts, petur, markun : what do you think of this dutch translation : ?
12:28:41gevaertsSeems reasonable
12:31:31bertrikfor the "building database" thing, I'm following the german translation a bit to keep it short for the archos player
12:31:57bertriknot sure how short it really should be
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12:52:02CIA-27New commit by alex (r30073): Bump versions for release.
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13:00:24amiconnbertrik: The Player LCD has two lines at 11 chars each, so given the same word order and assuming that 5 digits are sufficient for the number, 'Building DB' should fit into 11 chars, and 'found' should fit into 5 chars (excluding the preceding space)
13:01:59bertrikOk, thanks, I think the dutch translation I chose should work then :)
13:02:29amiconnThat's why I abbreviated 'gefunden' in German with 'gefu.
13:04:25amiconnThere's a slight improvement that could be done in splashf() - while splitting at word boundaries is desirable in most lines, it would imo make more sense to put even a partial word at the end of the last line
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13:15:23CIA-27New commit by amiconn (r30074): Update German translation
13:16:45CIA-27New commit by amiconn (r30075): Update US English translation
13:18:12CIA-27New commit by amiconn (r30076): Update German translation
13:18:24CIA-27New commit by amiconn (r30077): Update US English translation
13:18:53CIA-27r30074 build result: All green
13:22:05CIA-27r30075 build result: All green
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14:22:09CIA-27New commit by bertrik (r30078): Fix missing strings in nederlands translation
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14:24:55kugelAlexP: perhaps we should refer to "since 3.8" instead in the release notes?
14:25:16CIA-27r30078 build result: All green
14:25:32kugel(instead of "since 3.8.1")
14:25:37AlexPkugel: I don't know - features are since 3.8, bugs are since 3.8.1
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14:26:10AlexP3.8.1 was the last release, so it feels a little strange to sort of ignore it
14:26:37AlexPBut I don't have terribly strong feelings about it :)
14:26:51kugelwell, but usually you compare major releases, not major ones with maintainence ones
14:27:39AlexPI don't mind either way
14:37:30amiconnFeature idea: for ata targets with an ssd installed we could detect that and automatically optimize a few settings
14:37:56amiconnsdd and cf, actually
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14:39:22quemthinking of getting a philips gogear vibe to replace my dying 1st-gen ipod nano. i know it doesn't run rockbox.. but is it any.. good?
14:40:02quemmaybe a question for #rockbox-community rather? :)
14:40:10AlexPquem: No idea, you are better looking for reviews for it/a community
14:40:16AlexPor yes, -community
14:40:30quemi'll try -community, i trust you guys. ;)
14:49:43amiconnHmm, rotation rate reporting is an ata-8 feature
14:49:59amiconnSo this automatism probably won't work in all cases
14:52:14kugelcan't you measure the time?
14:52:42kugel(spinup time I mean)
14:53:11amiconnThat might be a fallback option
14:53:24bertrikwhat do you want to optimize for ssd?
14:53:36amiconnReduce pre-buffering
14:53:59amiconnMaybe also change voice to partial buffering
14:54:54amiconnCurrently we use the measured spinup time to calculate the amount of necessary pre-buffering, but there's a safeguard if the measured spinup time is low
14:56:50bertrikmaybe you can get the spinup time from the SMART info
14:56:59Tornenot sensibly.
14:57:05Tornethat data is crazy
14:57:50amiconnIdentify info has rotational rate in word 217 for ata-8, and that's set to zero for SSDs
14:57:52n1samiconn: how big would the gains from this be?
14:58:22amiconnNot sure
14:58:31*amiconn is just throwing ideas around :)
14:59:03bertrikit would reduce the amount RAM for pre-buffering, so .... we have more RAM for buffering! :P
15:00:12amiconnYes, the time between two buffer refills would become a few seconds longer
15:00:24amiconnThe question is whether this actually matters
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16:51:17kugeln1s: I like this kind of commits :)
16:52:33n1sdeleting code without losing function is nice :)
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20:19:30Viperfang_ooh, new release?
20:26:27bertrikyes, tomorrow
20:33:58chkktriis it possible to add APE tags suppport for mp3 files?
20:35:10gevaertsYes, I believe there is a patch for that somewhere. Why do you want to use broken files though?
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20:36:31gevaertsThe way I understand it, mp3 files with APE tags in them aren't valid mp3 files
20:36:43gevaertsThat means that some decoders will choke on them
20:38:21chkktrii wonder if there's tools to convert them to standart ID3v2
20:38:31*gevaerts isn't an expert though
20:38:51crwlI don't think mp3 files with any tags are "valid" actually
20:39:16chkktrilooks like even itunes support them
20:40:01gevaertschkktri: we're not against supporting them (although we used to be), we're just questioning the sanity of people who want them ;)
20:41:06chkktriyou said there was patch somewhere?
20:41:49gevaertsI said I *believe* there is one
20:41:54gevaertsI haven't checked recently
20:42:51gevaertsHm, actually it might not be on the tracker. The history of that feature is a bit controversial and not entirely happy...
20:43:32gevaertsIt was in the tree at some point, despite it being (back then) on the NODO list, so it was reverted again
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20:44:53gevaertschkktri: have a look at the changes in r26048
20:46:51chkktriah i see
20:46:52kugelpgevaerts: is there anything in particular that you'd like to see (done/committed) before the mid term eval?
20:47:06chkktribut ID3 tag here present too
20:47:35chkktribut it's 1st version
20:48:34gevaertskugelp: let me have another quick look at things
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20:50:04kugelp(I'll probably havelittle time between exams so I already ask now)
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20:53:33chkktrioh wow
20:53:51chkktrithose tags were in Big5 codepage
20:54:59gevaertskugelp: is there anything you feel is stable enough to commit now?
20:55:13gevaertsMore than what's there already I mean
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20:55:36chkktrino, it wasn't
20:55:55chkktriso how can be priority set to APE tags instead of ID3v1?
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21:00:24Tornechkktri: it can't
21:00:41Tornefix your metadata. it's not hard :)
21:01:02chkktrilooking now
21:01:37TheLemonMani'd like to make some mips optimizations, how should i go for ?
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21:03:46bluebroth3rchkktri: I think foobar2000 can change tag types. If you happen to be on Windows :)
21:04:19chkktrithat's true but i don't want to install it
21:04:48bluebroth3rthat's your problem then. IMO it's one of the best audio players on Windows.
21:05:19bluebroth3r(you could look for a portable version though)
21:05:32chkktriyes but it can't play some exotic formats which can be played by winamp\xmplay
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21:24:11Viperfang_best for MP3 tagging:
21:25:41Viperfang_thats imho, ymmv
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21:40:19kugelpgevaerts: well I think only the audiobuf access one is left and I didn't have a panic with it yet
21:40:38kugelpI added a panic if things try to get the whole thing at once
21:41:06kugelpthe buflib-go-core one isn't in my repo iirc
21:42:04gevaertskugelp: I suspect it's best to wait. You don't want to have to fix issues when you have exams...
21:42:16gevaertsWithout that I'd say commit now
21:43:02kugelpI don't have exams now, I'd still have an hour or two to fix things
21:43:18kugelpotoh I can easily advance locally too
21:43:49gevaertsGetting things tested is nice of course
21:44:04AlexPDoes anyone have a few minutes to look at and commit for me? I would but I'm a bit indisposed at the moment.
21:44:27AlexP(translation update)
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21:45:21funmanAlexP: 我会做,但我看不懂中国
21:45:21funmanÉcouterLire phonétiquement
21:46:27funman(i'd do it but i can't read chinese)
21:46:38AlexPwell no, we trust the translator
21:46:48AlexPI meant look at in a technical sense
21:46:56AlexPAnyway, got to disappear :)
21:47:41gevaertskugelp: if you think committing won't interfere with your exams, I'd say go for it
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21:49:38funmanAlexP: done
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22:09:01kugelpgevaerts: so there's nothing else?
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22:11:16gevaertskugelp: I can't think of anything. I had a look at the timeline and milestones on melange, and while I suspect that timeline was a bit optimistic in hindsight, it doesn't look like you skipped anything
22:12:03gevaertskugelp: oh, maybe check if the wiki page is still up to date
22:13:03kugelpgevaerts: indeed I underestimated the uni workload a bit
22:14:26kugelpbut I did also more theoretical work beforehand than I.planned so I'm optimistic about the project
22:14:39*gevaerts nods
22:17:53gevaertsI don't think there's an actual problem at this point. Some schedule slippage isn't unexpected
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22:21:39funmanmc2739: thanks
22:22:46mc2739you're welcome
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