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#rockbox log for 2011-06-28

00:00:26B4gderyes I believe so
00:00:57AlexPOK, I'll update that once stuff is in place :)
00:01:20B4gdereverything should be in place now
00:01:28AlexPgreat :)
00:01:43CIA-27New commit by alex (r30086): We have a 3.9 release, update
00:02:44AlexPB4gder: Does anything need to be updated for ?
00:03:04B4gderno, they seem to show 3.9 now
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00:04:02AlexPWould you mind sticking a note on the front page?
00:04:24B4gderI'm on it
00:04:34AlexPI'll send some emails
00:04:51CIA-27r30086 build result: All green
00:05:15CIA-27New commit by bagder (r30087): front page: 3.9 is released
00:06:54skfunnyboyyay finally
00:08:17skfunnyboythe release note still say NOT RELEAHED YET
00:08:23Topic"3.9 released! | Rockbox accepted for GSoC 2011 | Please read before speaking: | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at | An upgrade caused issues with the wiki. We are on the case" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
00:08:29AlexPskfunnyboy: Give me a chance...
00:08:40skfunnyboySorry ... :S
00:08:47skfunnyboyIf you need help .. i can :P
00:09:26AlexPNo, it's OK thanks - done now :)
00:09:30B4gderwe don't use any mirrors right now though so the remark about them isn't accurate...
00:09:39B4gdernot that it matters a lot
00:09:42AlexPB4gder: Ah, didn't realise
00:09:50AlexPPeople will just think it is quicker :)
00:10:02AlexPDo we still need that note about the wiki in the topic?
00:10:40AlexPWe've been on the case for months now apparently :)
00:11:49kugelno mirrors anymore?
00:12:57B4gdernot since a while before 3.8
00:13:55kugelthe sponsor list is off then isn't it?
00:13:56AlexPI've been feeding misinformation for a while :)
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00:14:12skfunnyboyI dont want to rush anyone, just saying ... the rockbox installer still say 3.8.1
00:14:22skfunnyboyAnd if rockbox need a mirror, i can host
00:14:30AlexPIt should sort itself out shortly
00:14:33AlexPI think
00:14:42B4gderkugel: yes, but we haven't really officially stopped using them forever so we've just left them there until we decide
00:14:46AlexPunless I've forgotten something :)
00:19:24AlexPI think rbutil gets its info from , but I don't know how often/when that gets regenerated
00:19:46AlexPB4gder: Any idea?
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00:20:31AlexPLooks like at 03:00 (CEST) when the builds get done?
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00:21:44B4gderit might be the case, yes
00:22:26AlexPI don't know if Zagor prodded it before, or if we just left it to get done by itself
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00:22:44AlexPMaybe a good job I left in the mirror spreading bit :)
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00:29:29kugel\o/ for 3.9, btw
00:29:34AlexPRight, time to go git! :)
00:29:49kugelDamn yea!
00:41:28rasherOh man, did someone touch the lang files after the freeze?
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00:51:22rasherah, it was in the branch as well
00:51:26rasherguess that's alright then :)
00:53:27*rasher is unhappy about r30007
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01:16:19CIA-27New commit by rasher (r30088): Add American English and some revisions to ignore
01:20:09JdGordonrasher: I pinged you specifically about that change more than a few days before commiting....
01:21:06rasherI don't see how it's a good idea to add a translation blindly
01:21:17rashertranslators *won't* see it
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01:21:34rasherat least you could've removed the colon :S
01:22:21saratogawhats different in american english?
01:22:52JdGordonspelling only i guess?
01:24:24saratogaah color is spelled differently
01:24:28saratoga lcd_color: "Invalid colour"
01:24:49saratogaso the us translations reverts the spelling to the spelling the code uses anyway
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01:26:33JdGordonbut.... but.....
01:26:47JdGordonstupid americans :)
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03:29:17RoastedIs there a way I can remove rockbox from my sansa?
03:29:36krazykityes. the manual details the uninstall process
03:29:57Roastedwhen I put rockbox on my sansa, I believe it actually altered my default user interface. what are the chances of it being restored?
03:30:36krazykitdo you have a sansa e200r?
03:30:49RoastedI dont believe...
03:30:51Roastedits a Fuze
03:30:58krazykitthen rockbox won't affect the OF
03:30:59JdGordonrockbox didnt touch anything in the sansa firmware
03:31:14Roastedwell, once I put rockbox on, my default interface changed
03:31:16Roastedand become unuseable
03:31:20JdGordonit *may* have removed your ability to play DRM audio though
03:31:24krazykitit changed because it was booting into rockbox
03:31:30Roastedno, like
03:31:36Roastedif I hold down the key and boot it up, it goes to the sansa firmware
03:31:39Roastedits clearly not rockbox
03:31:41Roastedhowever, its altered
03:31:44Roastedit wont read my music, etc.
03:31:58krazykitis your music in a format that the OF understands?
03:31:59Roastedit sees 2 or 3 songs out of thousands. and they come up with random characters as the name.
03:32:04Roastedit's all mp3
03:32:21Roastedit worked fine when I got it. worked fine with this very music, mp3, etc.
03:32:33RoastedI put rockbox on, eh okay fine, try out sansa firmware again and oh what the... I couldnt even use it.
03:32:58RoastedI'm just a little bummed because rockbox, from what I can tell, sees my microsd card and my onboard media as 2 devices
03:33:12Roastedwhich, no offense, is a real big pain. the original firmware didn't do this. it lumped everything into 1 pool nicely.
03:33:15Roastedhence why I wanted to gob ack...
03:33:43JdGordonyou can get different themes for rockbox if that is the only issue you have with it
03:33:52Roastedis that theme based?
03:33:56JdGordonrockbox doesnt touch the *sansa firmwares user interface*
03:33:56Roastedthe microsd vs onboard media?
03:34:14RoastedJdGordon, okay, that may be true. But I'm saying, as a fact, once I installed rockbox, my sansa interface changed.
03:34:16JdGordonrockbox is a complete firmware and doesnt use the sansa ui
03:34:20RoastedThere's just no getting around that.
03:34:25JdGordoni dont beleive you
03:34:29RoastedIt either touched it or I had very inconvenient timing.
03:34:29JdGordontake a photo
03:35:19Roastedunder music in sansa firmware
03:35:22Roastedunder "artists"
03:35:29RoastedUnknown, Unknown, and a single square
03:35:34Roastedthat's all I have, of thousands
03:35:40Roastedthis wasn't like this prior to installing rockbox
03:35:47Roastedeither it changed it, or it's very inconvenient timing
03:35:59JdGordonyou need to get sansa to rebuild its database
03:36:01Roastedis rockbox's ability to detect microsd vs onboard memory theme based?
03:36:19Roastedso any theme I go to, I'll always have microsd listed separately?
03:36:37Roastedtime to rebuild the DB then
03:36:51*JdGordon is very lost and confused
03:36:56Roastedover what
03:37:03JdGordonyour issue
03:37:13Roastedmy issue is once I installed rockbox, the default sansa interface borked
03:37:29RoastedI just want my music in 1 location
03:37:29JdGordonthat a good way to get me more confused.... take a picture of the brokenness
03:37:33Roastedrockbox doesn't seem to do that
03:37:39RoastedI don't know what the picture will do.
03:37:45RoastedUnder artists, I see Unknown, Unknown, and a square
03:37:50Roastedwhen there should be hundreds of artists.
03:38:43JdGordonok. so please try to get your terminology correct. Rockbox didnt touch the ui at all, sansas music database got deleted (and not by rockbox)...
03:38:54JdGordonremoving items in the track listing is not a ui thing...
03:39:16Roastedis there a way to make rockbox see all of the music as one?
03:39:24Roastedso I dont have to browse to 2 different locations for different music?
03:40:20JdGordonif you want to browse your music like a filesystem then no. if you want to browse by track metadata then yes
03:40:30Roastedmetadata as in id tags?
03:41:38Roastedthanks for your help. that may be all I need then.
03:41:45Roastedsansa's interface didn't work off of id tags like taht
03:41:59JdGordonim pretty sure it does
03:42:02Roastedit just kinda listed it the way I put the music on the device.
03:42:10mystica555_go thru the database and not the file browser
03:42:12Roastedunder the Music folder were bands. Under band folders were their music.
03:42:12JdGordonI havnt used my fuze in months so so may be forgetting
03:42:26RoastedSo if I would go Music > Pearl Jam > Black, etc.
03:42:42Roastedanother question...
03:43:08Roasteddoes rockbox give the ability of linux to support more devices? AKA would an ipod with rockbox be better supported than an ipod with its regular OS on it?
03:43:41Roastednice, nice...
03:43:44Roastedthanks for your time guys
03:43:51mystica555_turns the player into simply a mass storage device, auto updating its own database itself, rather than working via software syncing the databases on the host pc
03:44:04Roastedcan I still sync with something like banshee, etc?
03:44:22Roastedwait a second...
03:44:30Roastedmy girlfriend gave me a zune, and I'm finding this zune doesnt work worth a damn in linux
03:44:37Roastedif I rockbox it...................................
03:44:45mystica555_but, you don't need any ipod specific stuff to do it. banshee will see it as a filesystem and go from there.
03:45:04RoastedI suppose I need to figure out how to mount it first, as its erroring out when I mount it
03:45:15Roastedbut if I rockbox the zune it should work fine then, eh?
03:46:12mystica555_if one could rockbox a zune..
03:46:17Roasteduh oh
03:46:20RoastedI just assumed it was possible
03:46:21Roastedis it not?
03:46:22JdGordonsure, once you write the code to be able it
03:46:36RoastedI figured if an ipod was possible... a zune should be possible
03:46:41Roastedsince ipod = apple, and apple is, well...
03:46:51JdGordoninteresting logic
03:47:07Roastedwell, it's based on years of enterprise experience with both MS and Apple.
03:47:10RoastedSo far, it's been dead on.
03:47:25RoastedI guess that's not the case here :P
03:47:45mystica555_depends on how many fun blocks put in place to prevent it.
03:48:02saratogaif the database in the Sansa firmware got corrupted i'd check to see if the file system is corrupted as well
03:48:12Roastedsaratoga, that's waht someone else had told me.
03:48:19saratogaah must have missed it
03:48:23Roastedbut I put it in my ubuntu pc and ran a gparted check on it, and it seemed fine.
03:48:26Roastedsaratoga, no like, not in here
03:48:29saratogabut yes, random file corrupt usually involves the file system dying
03:48:31Roastedanother user weeks ago said that
03:48:41Roastedmind you, this has been like this for uh
03:48:43Roasted10 months?
03:49:01RoastedI use it every day for hours. mountain biking, cycling, in the car, at work during the summer, etc.
03:50:05mystica555_do you ever pop it into a chkdsk?
03:50:19mystica555_and, did you ever try forcing the sansa db to rescan?
03:50:38Roastedno, I didn't. I didn't see an option that grabbed me when in the UI and just went back to rockbox.
03:50:48RoastedThe only reason I even considered using the sansa UI was because it saw my music as "one"
03:50:51Roastedthrough microsd and onboard.
03:50:59RoastedI didn't realize I had to use the db on rockbox to make it work the same way
03:51:15RoastedI just did the same thing on rockbox as I do on the sansa UI = Music, Pearl Jam, Black, etc.
03:51:16mystica555_hm; its been ages since ive even *seen* my sansa c260, but i think it rebuilt the database upon reboot..
03:51:24mystica555_now its lost in a box somewhere i bet
03:51:41Roasted*shrug* it doesn't matter to me, to be honest. if rockbox just needs some ID tags, I'd much rather use that than the default UI.
03:51:56saratogai think some of the sandisk players don't rebuild the database if they detect file system problems
03:51:57RoastedIts just a PITA to bounce between the music folder of 2 devices. I had no idea a better option existed. :P
03:52:01mystica555_the dir itself may be Music; thus rockbox would show that under filesystem.
03:52:09Roastedit is Music
03:52:13mystica555_so yeah just use the db :)
03:52:26Roastedyeah, its just my ID tags are a little out of wack
03:52:32RoastedI like my stuff to be a certain way, so
03:52:44RoastedGuess I'll take the laptop out back and have a beer while I pound out a few hundred tags :P
03:52:48saratogai always wanted to implement an option to merge the internal and external memory like XBMC does for hard disks, but never got around to it
03:53:23mystica555_filesystem layer needs symlinks ;)
03:56:19saratogawell thats one way to do it
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09:27:18sideralAlexP: thanks and congrats for 3.9!
09:28:00AlexPShoulder's of giants and all that :)
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09:41:12GodEater_so now that 3.9 is out the door, we can move on to the next project. Have enough people passed judgement on gerrit yet to decide if it's what we want to use?
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09:53:30AlexPGodEater_: My opinion is that if we can also just push then there is no reason not to. We need something to host git which this does as well as any, and it also brings many advantages if people chose to use it.
09:53:59AlexPIf we also open the mailing list up to patches, then we should cover all bases
09:54:03AlexPor most :)
09:55:00kugelI wonder if gerrit can be themed? It looks a bit hostile
09:55:11AlexPYeah, it is a bit garish
09:55:48kugelI bet it's not hard, it's just a website after all :)
09:56:02AlexPThat sounds like we have a volunteer! :) :)
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10:01:20GodEater_torne already said it could be themed
10:01:23GodEater_he just hadn't bothered
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10:02:56GodEater_I guess we need to work out how the set up is supposed to be done now.
10:03:27GodEater_I presume our swedish overlords would still prefer to keep access to the servers to themselves, and therefore they'll be looking for some sort of setup guide / script that they can just run?
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10:40:24kugelcan I close FS #12170? "Stop using mp3gain! It's madness"?
10:40:25fs-bluebot APEv2 tags disrupt continuous play (bugs, unconfirmed)
10:43:25gevaertskugel: do so! Use a proper message like "APE tags corrupt mp3 files, and we don't guarantee correct playback of corrupted files" though :)
10:43:55gevaertsAnd mp3gain *can* add id3 tags
10:44:46kugelit couldn't when I used it last
10:45:25gevaertsWell, the version I have here says it can anyway
10:46:29kugelinteresting that he complains that gapless isn't working due to this :)
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11:19:38TorneGodEater_: A good question
11:21:14wodzI kinda solved playback problem on rk27xx. Adding ~3s delay after codec initialization AND driving some gpio high I got stereo output.
11:22:35TorneGodEater_: So far I haven't heard any objections to gerrit as a tool; there is debate about whether we should allow merges or not but that's policy
11:23:13TorneI suspect the solution to that one is "write a guide that explains why you may want to take reasonable steps to keep history linear where that's sensible, and then let people give themselves permission to merge once they believe they understand it"
11:23:34Tornelargely for the benefit of people not super familiar with git
11:23:40wodzI briefly looked at the demo and it looks ok for me
11:24:09AlexPTorne: Yes, I'd appreciate it stopping me doing stupid things that break it by mistake, at least until I get to know it a bit better
11:25:03TorneRight. There's no problem configuring it like that: the owner of a group needn't be in the group, so I can make a group for "people who can do complicated stuff" and make "committers" the owner
11:25:12Torneso you are not in the group automatically but you can change who is
11:25:40AlexPyep, makes sense
11:26:19gevaertsTorne: can you do things like only allowing merge commits when the commit message has a specific string in it like "I know merge commit are to be avoided, but this is a special case so I'll agree to send all committers beverages of their choice if the consensus is that I got it wrong"?
11:26:37Tornegevaerts: technically yes :)
11:26:42Torneprecommit hook or something
11:28:07Torneright. so there are two blocking issues right now: I need to discuss how/where exactly we are going to host the real gerrit with the swedes, and we need to decide what to do about the remainder of the email addresses for svn users
11:28:23TorneWe did get quite a lot of those filled in after I spammed people's last known addresses
11:28:40Tornebut nobody new has added their address for a week
11:28:45Torneso that's probably all we are going to get
11:29:17wodzlet's create and assign all unknows to that
11:30:15gevaertshm, some of those aren't *that* inactive
11:30:30Torneyes, some of the people who haven't done it have actually committed in the last ~year
11:30:33Tornee.g. uchida ;)
11:30:51gevaertsAnd lenzone
11:31:17wodzTorne: BTW. have you got a chance to look at "weird charger bahaviour and mini"?
11:31:31Tornewodz: not yet
11:31:41Tornei should get my housemate to do it :)
11:31:49Tornehe has electronics powers
11:32:22Tornedidn't we come tot he consensus that the right hting is probably to stop doing driver detection and only do usbcore detection, though?
11:32:33gevaertsI thought so
11:32:40TorneWe have 88 of 132 user's addresses. 44 missing
11:32:46gevaertsWe need to clean up usb a bit
11:33:00Torneso exactly two thirds :)
11:35:19Tornelenzone10, moos, teru and uchida have committed in the last year but not given their address
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12:05:28sideralmaybe you can glean their addresses from their Flyspray account?
12:10:06Torneright, but the point of this excercise was to get people to volunteer what they wanted published, not find out how to contact them
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12:12:47*kugel votes for the <svn username> solution
12:13:06*GodEater_ seconds this vote
12:13:29sideralTorne: One way to get out of the dilemma is to separate the history from the future by starting a fresh history, starting at the 3.9 spawn point, and attach the old history by using a git graft. That way we can change the history retrospectively
12:14:11sideralbut I like the as well
12:14:18Tornegrafting is not really necessary :)
12:15:35sideralYeah, you can also use "git replace" :) but that's probably not what you meant?
12:16:53Torneno, i mean it's not that important that we need to revise history to deal with it
12:17:00Torneby any mechanism for revising history. ;)
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12:17:37JdGordonthe emails in git can change so why do we *really* care so much about long gone commiters getting the right email?
12:17:47JdGordonI agree with <svn>
12:18:09gevaertsLooks like we have a consensus :)
12:18:15Torneok, doing it now :)
12:18:27JdGordonor maybe even and have them forwarded to the commiter ml
12:18:28JdGordonor dv ml
12:18:37Tornemeh, username is fine
12:18:43Torneand tbh it's probably fine if they just bounce
12:18:51Torneuntil/unless those people return
12:19:14JdGordonand the go on gerrit?
12:19:31Tornewe shall go to gerrit, yes :)
12:19:36Tornei need to talk to the swedes about how we host it for real
12:20:03sideralyeah, go for gerrit! We can change hosting easily enough if it turns out to be crap
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12:20:26JdGordonI just assumed it owuld go on the existing server?
12:20:30gevaertsJdGordon: the thing with gerrit is that you can (if you want to) allow certain people (such as committers) to pretend it's not there, so it's easy :)
12:20:37*GodEater_ wonders if he should be honest to the nice man at positive and tell him he can have porpoise back or not
12:21:19JdGordongevaerts: I know im going to be the first to admit it is annoying, but that may not be such a great idea really
12:21:21TorneJdGordon: yes, but i don't have root on the existing server :0
12:21:34sideralTorne: have you already setup a github account for mirroring? sadly, "rockbox" seems to be taken already
12:21:40Tornealso there are boring technical things about reverse proxying on 80 and so on
12:21:41Tornesideral: no
12:21:45Tornei haven't done anything about that
12:21:47Tornewe can set that up any time
12:21:57Torneif you want to take ownership there feel free :)
12:22:14gevaertsJdGordon: oh, we most likely *will* have rules and enforced stuff, it's just that we *can* disable it for us while still having the review system for other patches
12:22:34TorneJdGordon: we can always change the rules as we go along
12:22:54Tornegerrit supports a pretty wide range of workflows since the permissions are quite fine grained and are also per-ref, not per-project
12:23:17Torneso you can have different permissions for master vs release branches vs personal experimental branches etc
12:24:17Torneanyway. i've taken edit permissions off the spreadsheet and added a note, so i will start the conversion on my machine now :)
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12:26:30TorneOh, er, I guess nobody knows who andy actually is
12:26:37Torneand so his name is just going to be recorded as andy? :)
12:27:31GodEater_guess so
12:27:43GodEater_or perhaps "MrH" ? :)
12:27:47*Torne forgets how to use sed.
12:30:25[Saint]"sed −−help" ;)
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12:36:57TorneOK, converting!
12:37:02Tornewell, converting the tarball i have, anyway
12:37:11Tornewill need to do it some more later to pick up recent svn changes
12:39:11Tornethis is going to take a while.
12:40:48JdGordonhow long does it take?
12:41:05Torneeh, hour or three, not sure.
12:41:31TorneI have a local copy of the svn history up to a couple of weeks ago so it's just how long it takes my server to churn through all the IO and hash calculations
12:41:44JdGordonwouldnt it make more sense then to just close svn - when everyone is ready - and do it once on the final server?
12:41:47JdGordonor still trial run?
12:41:54TorneThis is incremental
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12:42:28TorneI can do that repeatedly until we are ready to close svn
12:43:14Tornei'm just using my machine here because the box the gerrit demo is on doesn't have a lot of CPU :)
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12:43:38GodEater_it is in fact run on clockwork
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12:44:37TorneJdGordon: I need to do a bunch of doctoring on the repo to turn the svn tag branches into real tags and so on, so it's useful to convert history now so i can mess with it
12:46:12JdGordonfair enough
12:46:20Torneit's up to r3500 :)
12:46:24Tornerockbox 1.4!
12:46:36GodEater_that's pretty quick so far then
12:47:17Tornewe might want to prune some of these branches before we publish it, also
12:47:47Torneold release branches/tags are probably interesting enough to keep, but i'm not so sure about this "zagor" stuff ;)
12:48:35Tornewe also probably want repos for www and themes but i'll do those seperately as their history is unrelated
12:48:44Torneand they may want different permissions
12:50:33GodEater_is still up?
12:51:22Torneooh, actually www used to be in trunk
12:51:22GodEater_we should get Zagor to blow it away in preparation for hosting this then
12:51:34TorneGodEater_: Possibly ;)
12:51:52GodEater_well I don't see what purpose keeping it would server
12:52:01TorneWell, there are still people using it right now, no?
12:52:09Torneanyone with a git clone with ongoing development work in it
12:52:09GodEater_are there?
12:52:13GodEater_I've not idea honestly
12:52:34Torneanyway i'll talk to zagor later
12:52:52GodEater_is he still around, or has he gone on 6 week vacation like B4gder?
12:52:58Torneoh? heh
12:53:01Tornethat could be awkward :)
12:53:09GodEater_yes, we haven't timed this well!
12:53:24Torneeh, it's fine
12:54:00Tornewe'll work soemthing out
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13:03:28Tornebah, some people have managed to commit with uppercase in their usernames
13:03:53kugelis that a problem?
13:04:02Torneit just means i need to add more entries to the mapping file
13:12:46Tornegoing again :)
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13:51:48sideralTorne: using someone's up-to-date "git svn" mirror and running filter-branch a couple of times to convert stuff is going to be faster then freshly cloning the svn repo a few times
14:04:23Tornesideral: huh?
14:04:31Tornesideral: i'm not freshly cloning it
14:05:43sideralalright, just ignore me then. although I don't quite understand in this case what is taking 3 hours
14:05:59Torneit's not really faster to rewrite all of history than to just git svn fetch again
14:06:04TorneI have the repo locally
14:06:39Torneand filtering it to rewrite committers would require i actually work out how to write a script to do that ;)
14:07:28sideralIt's kinda easy, but I'll just let you do your stuff and keep silent now :)
14:07:31Tornethe current git-svn mirrors are missing loads of data and every commit needs rewriting
14:08:16sideralI know that the current git-svn mirror is incomplete, but there are at people (at least 2 I know of) that have the complete SVN history in their git repo
14:09:01Torneyah, well, i have half of it and counting ;)
14:09:02Torneso hey.
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14:57:24[Saint]the git svn mirror is incomplete?
14:57:33[Saint]incomplete in what way?
14:58:11*[Saint] perks up as he actually uses the svn wonders what exeactly is missing from it.
14:58:52*[Saint] pokes a sideral or a Torne for explanation.
14:59:22[Saint]HaHa! You have to do thinking stuff now ;)
14:59:34sideralthe official git mirror only hosts the main trunk, and none of the SVN branches
14:59:49[Saint]Oh, right. That's fine (for me)
15:00:00Torneit also doesn't contain the websites or other stuff
15:00:25[Saint]I expected some critical chunk to be missing that would actually have an effect on my builds (that I haven't managed to notice yet) or something.
15:00:43Torneno. history is incomplete, not the current version
15:01:00[Saint]Aha, thanks for the explanation.
15:01:46[Saint]Any guesstimation on when the *super*-official git repo will be up&running?
15:02:01Tornenot for a while
15:02:07Tornewe need to make a bunch of infrastructure changes
15:02:13[Saint]I assume that's what this talk is related to.
15:02:42Tornei'll bring up gerrit in its permanent home at some point, but it will be read only for a while while we work out how to get the buildserver and other stuff to talk to git instead of svn
15:03:02[Saint]I take it it's quite some effort to export the entirety of the SVN history/branches etc to git?
15:03:06Tornenot really
15:03:11Torneit's getting there
15:03:14[Saint]Just a time thing?
15:03:20Torneit's up to r21500 or so
15:03:57[Saint](I mean, how long has it taken to get there?)
15:04:09Torneeh, couple hours
15:04:19Tornewith some interruptions where it's stalled because the author list wasn't complete
15:04:29Torneit'll be done soon
15:04:30[Saint]Hmmm, not as bad as I'd thought. I pictured it chunking away for a full day.
15:04:43Torneit would take a lot longer if i was doing it over the network
15:04:52*[Saint] nods.
15:04:55Tornebut fortunately i got a tarball of the svn repo a while ago ;)
15:05:03[Saint]Ah :D
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15:10:54mc2739forum admins: spammer sbobet365s needs a ban
15:11:15gevaertsNot any more :)
15:11:47gevaertsscorche: apparently the forums don't like to ban an email address with a + in it
15:26:38mystica555gevaerts: apparently gmail has the username+tag feature so blocking a + would make me very angry
15:27:04gevaertsmystica555: the forums don't block +. They block *blocking* +
15:29:44mystica555so the forums are buggy and don't know how to properly work with the +.
15:30:01*gevaerts nods
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15:48:45TorneHm, okay, so there are some.. interesting things happening in this repo
15:48:55Tornea number of our branches/tags are created from subdirectories of trunk
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15:49:03Tornegit has no sensible mapping for this so it results in, er
15:49:06TorneSome Weirdness
15:49:12*Torne will fiddle later.
15:49:33Torneup to r26000 now ;)
15:50:16webguest813first of all: thanks for rockbox! :)
15:50:48webguest813I use it with my Ipod nano 1gen
15:52:42webguest813sometimes the old Apple-Firmware comes back again, is this normal?
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15:53:15AlexPIf you boot it with hold turned on or menu pressed then yes
15:54:22AlexPAs that is how you boot the OF
15:54:22AlexPRockbox supports dual boot
15:54:22AlexPCheck the manual to double check the keys, but I think what I said is right (not 100%)
15:54:22webguest813thanks :)
15:54:29webguest813can I switch to rockbox again without the utility?
15:54:40AlexPYes, hold menu + select to reboot the ipod
15:55:35AlexPWhen it boots it'll go into Rockbox
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15:55:38webguest813thank you very much! :) another one:
15:57:55AlexPAt the risk of saying RTFM, this is in the manual: :)
15:57:55webguest813do you implement flv?
15:58:01webguest813flash video)
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15:59:19webguest813ok...I'm sorry and I promise, I'll read it!
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16:00:32AlexPheh, no worries :)
16:01:15webguest813thanks again! and good bye :)
16:01:20AlexPcheerio :)
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16:12:12hobby16hi all. I'd like to retrieve **real time** data from a playing 44khz WAV file. I use rb->pcm_get_peak_buffer(&count) and logically, adding "count" on 1 s duration should yield 44,000 samples. But I have about 200,000 samples instead ! Am I using the right function ?
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16:41:12kugelhobby16: realtime and 1s is a bit contracting isn't it?
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16:42:02kugelalso, the number of samples is *returned* in count, it's completely irrelevant what's in count before
16:42:38kugelthe function is correct, but you cannot get 1s with it
16:42:49kugelyou can whatever is queued for dma at the point of calling
16:51:45hobby16kugel, yes, I use count as a returned value. The wav file is playing in realtime, so after 1s, I should get 44,000 samples. Accounting for buffering, pcm_get_peak_buffer would return more for the first 1 s but I made the counting over 10s and still get about 4x more samples than expected ! BTW, what do you mean by "you can whatever is queued for dma at the point of calling" ?
16:55:06hobby16In fact, the 1s counting is not in the final implementation, it's just to verify that the real time data flow is consistent in values and sampling rate. And apparently, it's not and I don't know where the problem is ;(
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18:10:41kugelphobby16: the function returns the buffer dns pulls from
18:18:02kugelpso when is git switch time?
18:19:00kugelpstill a while since the Swedes are on vacations?
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18:28:39Tornekugel: depends on things like getting the build system to use git, also
18:30:27Tornefor now i am having great fun with git-svn
18:30:43Tornethe branches/tags we have which are not complete copies of trunk are entertaining to deal with
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18:34:28wodzWhat are transfer sizes in dma transaction of PCM subsystem? Some drivers seem to handle splited transfers some do not bother.
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18:37:05hobby16kugel, seems the problem comes from Simulator. In the target itself (Sansa Clip V1), things seem much more coherent. Still investigating and any suggestion is welcome !
18:39:03[Saint]hobby16: The simulator isn't the best thing for this I would say. Its only supposed to *appear* as though it behaves the same way as it does on the target itself.
18:39:24[Saint]playback/buffering/<pther> are handled quite differently in the sim iiuc
18:44:09[Saint]The simulator isn't an exact replica of the inner workings of the firmware as it is on the device itself...only a reasonably accurate representation of it.
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18:51:33TheLemonManis the MIPS target even used by any build ?
18:51:56[Saint]Aw...damn ;)
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18:54:08wodzalways :-)
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19:19:46CIA-27New commit by thomasjfox (r30089): Prepare 3.9 release for maemo
19:20:49AlexPAre we releasing for stuff like that?
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19:20:57AlexPI didn't know maemo was stable
19:21:27AlexPIt isn't noted on the front page
19:21:38AlexPMind you, maemo isn't noted anywhere
19:21:42[Saint]stable I mean.
19:22:26AlexPIf it isn't stable we shouldn't be releasing for it I thought
19:23:03[Saint]I think the word "release" there is a little (or a lot) erronious(sp?)
19:23:10CIA-27r30089 build result: All green
19:23:13AlexPSo is 3.9 then
19:23:20*[Saint] nods.
19:23:20AlexPSo I don't think so
19:24:00[Saint], it is in error. As there's no builds/releases for it available (from Rockbox at least)
19:24:40[Saint]thomasjfox may well have some "release" for it elsewhere...I'm not sure.
19:24:49AlexPI don't know :)
19:25:05AlexPI imagine for something like that it would be in a repo or something
19:25:06thomasjfoxok, next time I call it "prepare 3.9 build" ;)
19:25:13[Saint]The commit ID certainly is missleading in that sense, though.
19:25:21AlexPthomasjfox: I'm just confused, not complaining :)
19:25:44[Saint]thomasjfox: why 3.9 at all?
19:25:57[Saint]if there's no release...why the evrsioning?
19:26:03[Saint]*versioning too
19:26:13thomasjfox[Saint]: Right now it's based on 3.8 + SVN something
19:26:33thomasjfoxI've synced my "maemo-port" tree to the 3.9 SVN tag and build from there
19:26:45[Saint]Ok...sure, but in that case why not just leave it with the revision number it has?
19:27:00[Saint]It just confuses people that see the commit ID IMO
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19:27:33thomasjfoxAh ok. The actual build still contains just a date as version number
19:27:34[Saint]the X.Y numbers (to me, anyway) imply there's a stable release.
19:28:05AlexPthomasjfox: Yeah, when I do the release builds I hack up to just do e.g. VERSION="3.9" at the end
19:28:12AlexPI should commit that actually
19:28:17AlexP(each time)
19:29:40thomasjfoxI'd like to sync the maemo build to upstream releases if possible. This makes tracking down bugs easier than some random SVN revision
19:29:46thomasjfoxSame for the pandora build
19:30:03AlexPyeah, I don't really see the problem here.
19:30:10AlexPI'd be more concerned if it were android
19:30:43AlexPAs a release suggests some sort of stamp of we consider this good enough for release, which I don't think is quite there for android
19:31:09[Saint]Yeah, I don't particularly care either way...I just think it looks a little weird/potentially confusing when you're browsing through the commit messages.
19:31:10AlexPBut maemo users are I would guess a) not very many and b) more technical minded :)
19:32:29[Saint]I had a play with the maemo port the other day...and IMO if it's not quite there for Android, it's a long way off for maemo ;)
19:32:46[Saint]No offence thomasjfox...
19:32:58AlexPThe main issue with android for me is the interface
19:33:05CIA-27New commit by thomasjfox (r30090): Prepare new, unofficial pandora build
19:33:06AlexPWe really need native widgets I think
19:33:19AlexPthomasjfox: hehe, I didn't mean it! :)
19:33:23[Saint]"native widgets"?
19:33:28AlexPnative UI
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19:34:16[Saint]I got a reasonable amount of my theme done in was *so* sad, I was coding on PAPER!
19:34:37thomasjfox[Saint]: Yeah, I know. That might be due to a) I'm the only one "actively" working on it and b) it already does the job perfectly for me
19:34:46*sideral pings Slasheri
19:34:49[Saint]no electronic/wireless communication devices allowed :-S
19:36:17CIA-27r30090 build result: All green
19:36:47[Saint]But yeah, I removed the points of contention noted in the ML/theme's forum thread. I just have some small tweaks to do with the images (that I'll do this morning), then I'll "release" builds with the theme inclusive/standalone themes on the forum thread for public scrutiny.
19:37:41[Saint]No more "weird" (subjective) additional "bits" in the looks just as any other cabbiev2 does, just with *full* touch capability.
19:37:54AlexP[Saint]: Yeah, it isn't a criticism of your/anyone else theme, rather of the whole (and I hat myself for this next word) paradigm
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19:38:02Slasherisideral: hello
19:38:06AlexP*hate too
19:38:08[Saint]I'm quite proud of it and its certainly enough to tide people over 'til Mr. Someone does the full native UI
19:38:24AlexP[Saint]: yeah, exactly
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19:38:44AlexPwhich may be a while :)
19:38:52*[Saint] nods
19:39:08[Saint]The main reason why I've kept working on it as opposed to dropping it like a hot rock.
19:39:20patheticblisshey guys quick question: is there a place yet to download new anti-aliased fonts for 3.9?
19:39:54[Saint]I was happy with my version of it ages ago...but I want other people to have an enjoyable (as much as possible anyway) user experience for Android RaaA as well.
19:40:00AlexPpatheticbliss: I'm not sure if we ship any actually
19:40:12[Saint]patheticbliss: Nope, there's not.
19:40:26[Saint]It's *really* trivial to convert your own, though.
19:40:31patheticblissOk. I guess I'll look foreward to that.
19:40:37AlexPWe ought to ship some
19:40:42AlexPYet another ought :)
19:40:48[Saint]patheticbliss: One second.
19:41:11patheticblisshaha. Well I did try to compile convttf, but it didn't work.
19:41:29[Saint]patheticbliss: I'm uploading a pack for you now, one sec.
19:41:59wodzdo we have any codec with non linear dB gain steps?
19:42:18sideralHi Slasheri. Looks like your playlist fix does not solve my DB-browser-shows-trash problem
19:42:44[Saint]patheticbliss: <−− Here 'ya go.
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19:43:15[Saint]there's sizes 12~50pt in normal and bold from the DroidSans font family.
19:43:20Slasherisideral: ok, great that you figured it out. Then something else has to be wrong (and i have to double check the playlist fix too)
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19:44:24Slasherisideral: with trash, do you mean it actually displays corrupted information or just wrong entries from db?
19:44:41sideralit shows wrong entries from the DB
19:45:09Slasheriok, then it isn't that bad, and could still have something to do with the playlist
19:45:33sideralyes, it could.
19:46:05wodzinternal codec of rk27xx has ackward output stage gain setup - first 8 steps are 0.5dB, than 12 steps 1.0 dB and 12 steps 2.0dB
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19:47:44Slasherikugel: the dircache problem was that dircache_build(0); does not correctly re-use/re-allocate the dircache buffer with the same size it was previously allocated
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19:48:28Slasherikugel: and dircache_disable() is called before calling dircache_build(0);
19:49:19patheticbliss[Saint]: Thanks for the fonts!
19:50:04[Saint]patheticbliss: No worries, hope it keeps you somewhat occupied in antialiased goodness for a while ;)
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19:50:55[Saint]I'm *supposed* to be making another, better (as in cleaner) fontset for the AA fonts...well, it's on my ToDo list, but I'm not exactly sure when that will be.
19:52:29patheticblissthe 12-bold one looks nice on my e200. But I have to say the interface (scrolling) feels a little 'laggier' compared to the normal one. Not that bad, but noticable.
19:54:03[Saint]Hmmmm....I'm not familiar with the HW of the E200, but its certainly possible if its not a particularly powerful target.
19:54:35AlexPportal player
19:55:23[Saint]That's, odd...then. Is it a lowmem target/
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19:56:58[Saint]I can't say I've noticed a difference in UI lag on any of my targets with/without AA fonts, and I have a reasonably wide (not as wide as some, though) selection of DAPs to test on.
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19:57:07[Saint]I just don't have any lowmem targets.
20:01:30CIA-27New commit by thomasjfox (r30091): Forgot to update the short log for (unofficial) maemo build
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22:37:20thomasjfoxgrrr, the n8xx build fails in apps/fracmul.h:78: error: impossible constraint in `asm'
22:40:24bertrikthe zipitz2 fails at that point too
22:40:37bertrikoh, in line 79 actually
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22:46:16bertrikhm, yes, like it was incorrectly modified from a macro to a function
22:48:30thomasjfoxstrangely FRACTMUL() compiles, FRACTMUL_SHL() doesn't
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22:56:14bertrikI think we should apply some of the recent language patches to the 3.9 branch too, right?
22:59:46TorneOne of them already only got applied to the 3.9 branch it seems, btw
22:59:54Torneno, wiat
23:00:00Tornei mean one of them got applied after we tagged 3.9
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23:07:33CIA-27New commit by bertrik (r30092): FS #12171 - Polish translation update by Wojciech Lesniak
23:10:36Stephen___Just wanted to let people know moreso for the logs than anything else, the following works with a 64gb SDXC card, had to format to FAT32 of course but works none the less once you have the adapter. is a bit fiddly, need to find a way to fix it to the clip/fuze/e280 i have.
23:11:00CIA-27New commit by bertrik (r30093): FS #12171 - Polish translation update by Wojciech Lesniak
23:13:13bertrikStephen___, cool, does it work in rockbox too?
23:13:14gevaertsStephen___: lots of hot glue? :)
23:13:25Stephen___also, pixelma, that player wps has been uploaded now. i think that's all the themes bar cabbie
23:13:33Stephen___yep haven't tried the OF
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23:13:47Stephen___used the clip usb to transfer 30gb odd to it ;)
23:13:52CIA-27r30093 build result: All green
23:16:40CIA-27New commit by thomasjfox (r30094): Remove leftover backslash from macro conversion in FRACTMUL_SHL
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23:19:20CIA-27r30094 build result: All green
23:21:56CIA-27New commit by bertrik (r30096): FS #12172 - Update for serbian translation by Ivan Pesic
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23:23:03Stephen___gevaerts, glue won't work if i want to transfer the adapter to any of my othe rplayers ;)
23:24:34CIA-27r30096 build result: All green
23:25:44Stephen___seems to fit the fuze the best, naturally
23:27:00amiconnStephen___: 32GB microSDHCs are available nowadays. No adapter needed
23:27:48Stephen___I know, I have one but I wanted to test the 64gb sdxc
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23:31:42*amiconn should get one
23:32:25Stephen___a 32 microsd or 64gb sdxc ?
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23:36:48amiconnStephen___: The bootloaders aren't released yet though, which is on purpose
23:37:03Stephen___Yeah the auto-on problem again it seems ?
23:37:08Stephen___for the clock ?
23:37:17amiconnI want to get rtc alarm into svn, including bootloader support
23:37:29amiconnDidn't want to do that before the release
23:37:32Stephen___waited years for that!
23:37:54Stephen___I can test it if you want, just ping me as I read the logs and don't be on irc a lot.
23:38:03amiconnYeah, it's low priority stuff for myself, because I don't use rtc alarm on any target, but that patch is rotting...
23:38:33Stephen___I could use it, atm for recording I wait up to near the time, this would be handier. I can go to bed earlier.
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23:38:51Stephen___Whats the roadblock ?
23:38:55kugelamiconn: get your stuff done before we're going git! :)
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23:56:53PikelI got referred here by someone when I asked if they knew how to unbrick an iPod 5th gen (I think it's got a bad drive anyway)
23:58:32AlexPTry #rockbox-community - here is for support and development of Rockbox :)

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