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#rockbox log for 2011-07-15

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04:39:47seraceraGreetings from Toronto
04:41:06seraceraI finally got around to installing Rockbox on my v2 Clip but am having a couple of issues and I'm wondering if anyone could be of help (I've been searching for a couple hours now)
04:43:12wtachiseracera: what issues are you having?
04:44:36seraceraHi there,
04:45:22seracerafirst, when I'm booted into Rockbox and connect to my computer (win7) via USB, nothing happens except charging; is this normal?
04:45:51wtachiseracera: yes; Rockbox USB on Clipv2 has problems for some people, so it isn't enabled
04:46:05wtachiif you turn it off first, and then connect it, it will boot into the original firmware
04:46:10wtachiand you can use that to copy files
04:46:22seracera2nd, a great number of my music files aren't displaying names because they are in Korean and Japanese, is there a certain font I can switch to so they'll display?
04:47:03seraceraAh, thanks for confirming that for me. I suspected as much.
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04:50:28seraceraI have a huge list of blanks at the bottom of my database, so it's really a problem for me...
04:50:50wtachiI haven't tried other languages, but try the Sazanami Mincho font
04:51:01seraceraThat's what I've done,
04:51:22seracerait displays some files but not all.
04:51:27wtachior you might need to change Settings -> Display -> Default Codepage
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04:55:11seraceraOh nice, I'm giving that a try now
04:55:52seraceraNichts. Still nothing.
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04:59:50seraceraHahah, oh man, now there are no words displaying in the system menus at all
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05:01:20seraceraFunny that this is a Korean mp3 player but Rockbox doesn't seem to have proper Korean support for it... Or I'm doing it wrong.
05:03:38wtachiit should be possible somehow
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05:03:53wtachiif you ask at a different time, maybe someone more knowledgable than me will answer :)
05:04:03seraceraIt's very strange. I don't know why they would offer all the Korean options if they don't actually work.
05:04:46seraceraMaybe it's just that I need to load a font with Korean in it, but I don't know where to get one.
05:05:01seraceraNone of the preloaded ones worked.
05:05:31wtachieven Unifont?
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05:08:31seraceraI tried, but nothing.
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05:11:02robin0800seracera, rockbox has a fonts wiki look at the front page additional items I think
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05:22:25seraceraHmm, somehow I'm not seeing it listed in the wiki, could you send a link?
05:24:53seraceraI'm reading somewhere else, it's saying I need a "6+12x13 font".
05:32:59seraceraSuccess!! I set the Codepage to Unicode and the font to 13 Fixed and it displays Korean now <3
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05:43:00seraceraThank you~ That was exactly what I needed
05:43:12seraceraIt's displaying Korean and Japanese simultaneously now
05:44:21seraceraI'm surprised at how much better everything sounds after installing Rockbox.
05:44:41seraceraI miss some of the default features though,
05:45:18seraceralike, why is it so hard to get back to the Now Playing screen, and why can't I just simply select a song to listen to? Why does it have to be added to a playlist?
05:46:17seraceraI turned the Playlist Clear notification off, but it still has to clear a playlist every time I select a song. Strange.
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05:54:44robin0800seracera, not sure that's right perhaps check the manual for your device
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06:06:06seraceraI was looking over it for hours and couldn't find much about it
06:06:49seracerait was basically just explaining that Rockbox is a playlist-based system, so whenever you want to play a random song from the database that's not in the current playlist, it has to clear the current playlist to do so
06:07:09seracerait takes about 3 seconds to do so, so I guess it's not the worst, just kind of strange.
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06:10:16robin0800seracera, its true that 1 song is a playlist but once that has played what is being cleared?
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07:05:26seraceraThanks for the help today guys, I'll get the rest figured out eventually
07:05:30seraceratake care (V)
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09:17:35Cptn_Sandwichhi, what is the ircplayer plugin? i didnt find anything on it on the net
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09:22:05Barracuda72Hi 2 all
09:22:36ZagorCptn_Sandwich: it's not irc, it's lrc. for displaying lyrics.
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09:23:35Cptn_SandwichZagor: thanks, the nimbusfont made the l look like an uppercase I
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09:36:07[Saint]Cptn_Sandwich: You can find out all about lrcplayer (and many other plugins) here:
09:36:40[Saint]whoops...wrong link.
09:38:17[Saint]here we go:
09:39:00[Saint](It's from the iPod Video manual...but, it's the same text in each manual)
09:39:15[Saint]Cptn_Sandwich: ^
09:41:20[Saint] user rajon wants a ban.
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09:45:35wodzBarracuda72: Have you managed to force ADC to work?
09:47:50Barracuda72No, it's 0 on all 4 channels
09:47:58wodzthat's strange
09:48:15wodzcheck if adc clock isn't gated by mistake
09:49:18Barracuda72Code seems be like in OF, but didn't worked
09:50:05wodzHmm maybe there is some IOMUX involved.
09:52:39Barracuda72And did your player really have no rtc? My one has 8563, but for some reasons OF just doesn't include driver
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09:53:45wodzBarracuda72: the IC isn't soldered at all
09:54:17wodzBarracuda72: adc doesn't share pins with other functions so this is not IOMUX problem
09:54:42wodzmy OF does include driver for RTC but is missing the IC :P
09:56:16Barracuda72=) China
09:56:25wodzBarracuda72: If you want to help with the port - the part which really needs work is lcd code. I truly don't understand how OF updates screen and the way it is implemented now in rb is ugly and inefficient hack
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09:58:52Barracuda72I think we need dwdma working for that, but it seems very big piece of code
09:59:24wodzBarracuda72: dma is another problem. How to write to lcdif fifo is the problem
09:59:55wodzdwdma handling can be much simplified compared to OF I think
10:06:19Barracuda72Then I've tried to get display working without help of firmware, I have to use all code as in fw, and get strange results - only 4 first lines of screen was correct, any other is duplicate of first one
10:07:29wodzthats much better than my attempts
10:07:56wodzcould you share your code?
10:11:51Barracuda72No, it was about half year ago =) I said about it just for note
10:12:18wodztoo bad
10:12:59wodzthe best I can achive is some fancy pattern (similar to the one on AleMaxx site)
10:16:35Barracuda72But display works for now. Maybe it's ugly hack, maybe it's slow, but it works! =)
10:18:30Barracuda72Hm, bootloader panic. Unhandled irq 10
10:22:36wodzthats SD irq
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10:35:02Barracuda72It seems like I've got an adc working... Maybe
10:39:54Barracuda72Channel 0 (battery) works, but I need channel 1 =)
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10:48:16Barracuda72Ok, I've finally got it working
10:48:29Barracuda72But got some strange results
10:48:52wodzwhat's the trick?
10:53:13Barracuda72So, for first, to enable adc clock we need to &= ~(3<<23), not |= (3<<23)
10:55:12Barracuda72For second, I've put after this ADC_CTRL |= (1<<3), not needed, maybe
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10:56:10wodzyeh, silly mistake. So my idea that ADC clock is gated was right :-)
10:57:19Barracuda72And for third adc sometimes "hangs up". We can't reset it every time, but we need to reset it when the conversion is taking too long
10:57:55wodzthats simple - set timeout and reset adc on timeout
10:58:18Barracuda72Yes. But I got strange results
10:58:36wodz(1<<3) is set in adc_scan() so I think it is redundant
10:58:55Barracuda72Seems like channel 0 works as keyboard channel, but it should be channel 1...
10:59:46wodzWhy do you think so? Only dissasm of OF can tell. SDK sources aren't authoritative
11:01:04Barracuda72In the OF keyboard driver uses channel 1
11:01:41Barracuda72But maybe I asking for data from adc too fast
11:02:00Barracuda72Will try with some delay
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11:09:00Barracuda72Yes, something wrong with delay
11:09:10Barracuda72Need to calibrate
11:09:43wodzyou should check the flag to see if adc is ready
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11:16:00Barracuda72Yes, I'm checking, but with different delay between asking different channels I've got different results =) Values are seems ok
11:17:19Barracuda72With 100-steps "for" battery on channel 0, but keyboard on 3 =)
11:18:37Barracuda72Maybe use interrupts? Adc has this feature
11:19:23wodzpastebin your code so I can have a look
11:22:05Barracuda72It's simple - i0 = adc_scan(0); for(i = 0; i < 100; i++); i1 = adc_scan(1); and so on
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11:22:54Barracuda72Can't pastebin - don't have internet on pc =(
11:23:06madmac2501hi, i have read that usb support is disabled in sansa clip+
11:23:15madmac2501then how can i load songs into the sansa?
11:23:46Zagormadmac2501: boot into the Sansa system
11:23:56wodzBarracuda72: try to check if adc is busy at the very begining of the adc_scan()
11:23:59Zagorrockbox is always dual-boot
11:24:44madmac2501Zagor: thanks, i have not yet flashed my sansa, i was asking because of that
11:28:42Barracuda72wodz: Nothing changes
11:31:19wodzBarracuda72: weird
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11:32:14Barracuda72Hm. Increasing cycle parameter from 100 to 1000 and to 10000 didn't have effect on anything
11:32:45Barracuda72Cycles wasn't wasted by gcc optimisation
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11:34:31Barracuda72But if I decrease parameter to 10, i've got garbage
11:35:43Barracuda72Not garbage, actually, but duplicate values on different channels
11:37:32wodzcould you try to clear 3bit in ADC_CTRL at the end of adc_scan() ?
11:42:34Barracuda72No effect
11:42:46wodzhmm also one can uderstand datasheet in a way that you 1) set bit 3 in ADC_CTRL, 2) set channel 3) set bit 4 to start conversion - all in separate steps
11:45:27Barracuda72I've put some delay in adc_scan between initializing adc and waiting for busy bit set - now channels are in reverse order, eg 3 is battery, 2 is keyboard, 1 is unused and 0 is something else
11:48:05wodzI can't test this till monday so you are on your own :/
11:48:11Barracuda72Tried you scheme - nothing changes
11:49:26Barracuda72Maybe just forgot about? Let it be reverse
11:50:10wodzTry to change adc clock. It is set near it upper limit.
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12:09:57Barracuda72But the original firmware uses same clock
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12:18:09Barracuda72Tried 1/2 and 1/4 of original clock - nothing changes
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16:23:35pamauryah, I finally have rockbox bootloader working on my mio \o/
16:26:36AlexPcongrats :)
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16:33:38CIA-14r30138 build result: 3 errors, 0 warnings (wodz committed)
16:35:30pamaurynow "only" audio, nand, bluetooth, gps to program
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19:27:50*evilnick is rather impressed with the state of RB on Android and so high-fives kugel
19:38:59bluebrotheris the non-mp3 playback on Android still too soft?
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19:40:05pixelmatoo soft?
19:40:40bluebrothernot loud enough
19:41:06bluebrothera while ago playing back e.g. ogg files was hardly hearable even with maximum volume
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19:42:00bluebrotherthough mp3 was fine
19:42:05bluebrotherhaven't checked since.
19:43:38evilnickm4a are working fine for me
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19:56:17bluebrotherany comments? bluebrother/rbutil-newmountpointselector.jpg">
19:56:30bluebrother(the new part is the mountpoint dropdown selection)
19:57:40RansomTimebetter than browse...
19:57:52bluebrotherthat was my intention ;-)
19:58:42RansomTimeYou've got &filesystem instead of the f underlined - is that some kind of dev tool, or a typo
19:59:02bluebrotherplus, there's still the idea of showing the volume name around.
19:59:29bluebrotherthough I will add that later. No idea how that is possible on Linux though, and it might be more work on OS X.
20:00:38bluebrotherthat's a bug I haven't bothered about (replacing the LineEdit with a ComboBox destroyed the buddy connection)
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20:13:33CIA-14New commit by bluebrother (r30139): Show the total size of the volume along with the free space. ...
20:17:01CIA-14r30139 build result: 14 errors, 0 warnings (bluebrother committed)
20:18:44bluebrotherBagder: storebror seems to have problems with SDL
20:18:56BagderI've noticed but not yet bothered to fix
20:19:45BagderI'll get to it tonight or disable it
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21:00:04bertriksilly question: I get a bunch of "RCC: Error in 'rbutilqt-lang.qrc': Cannot find file 'lang/rbutil_cs.qm'" errors when running qmake trying to compile rb
21:00:18bertrikAm I missing something obvious?
21:00:40bertrik*rbutilqt I mean
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21:02:13bluebrotherbertrik: no, that's normal.
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21:02:38bluebrotherwhen building statically the qm files are put into that qrc file. But since they are not around during qmake run you get that warning.
21:03:11bluebrotherit's caused by the fact that we generate the qm files during the make run.
21:04:14bertrikok thanks
21:04:44bluebrotherthis does not appear if you build for debugging (with qmake -config dbg)
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21:08:13bluebrotherurgh. autodetection really needs some work.
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21:14:27CIA-14New commit by bluebrother (r30140): Replace mountpoint selection with combo box. ...
21:17:59CIA-14r30140 build result: All green
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21:46:50bluebrotheryay, volume name of the device displayed on Windows :)
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22:03:07CIA-14New commit by bluebrother (r30141): Show volume labels on Windows. ...
22:03:25promylophAre there rockbox builds for Clip+ with experimental USB support enabled somewhere?
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22:05:51saratogapromyloph: check google
22:05:58saratogabut most people probably just compile there own
22:06:07CIA-14r30141 build result: All green
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22:15:26promylophYeah, that's what I do too. I even set up a script that builds nightlies with USB stuff enabled...
22:15:30bluebrotherurgh. Getting the volume name seems to become fun on OS X
22:15:52promylophJust thought "official" binaries might attract more testers. And more trouble, of course ;)
22:17:02bertrikwe already know it's not working completely well
22:23:25promylophDoes the PIO patch from FS #11664 fix it?
22:23:27fs-bluebot Workaround for usb random failures on amsv2. (patches, new)
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22:27:45pamaurypromyloph: that thread already contains all the information we currently know
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22:30:23saratogawith the PIO mode patch i can't even mount the clip on Windows
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22:38:16promylophWell, what is missing to fix the issue?
22:38:30AlexPKnowledge of why it doesn't work on some devices
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22:49:16promylophAnd methods for obtaining this knowledge would be...? Or is this unknown too?
22:49:46saratogareverse engineering the retail firmware
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22:51:24pamaurybut this is nearly infeasible
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22:53:26promylophMh, reading and understanding more than a few lines assembler is a horrible job, I guess?
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22:56:18pamaurythe problem is that reading lots of horrible assembly lines of a complicated usb driver for a partly undocumented usb core which uses c++ vtable everything is a nightmare. But we never know, perhaps we'll figure out...
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22:59:26promylophAh, I see.
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23:26:00bluebrothergreat. The API function this example uses is deprecated since OS X 10.5. The new API is available since 10.5. We still support 10.4 with Rockbox Utility.
23:26:08bluebrothermaybe we should drop support for 10.4?
23:33:52alexbobpyeah, what kind of mac user is too cheap to pay for upgrades anyways
23:33:56alexbobpwhy would they have a mac in the first place!
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23:47:07bluebrotherthe point is not users not upgrading, the point is this stupid API breakage Apple does.
23:47:26bluebrotherok, that deprecated API might still exist for another while. It's annoying though.
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