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#rockbox log for 2011-07-16

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00:19:01bertrikoh, we're starting to see RDA-type tuners in more players now (RDA5807 in the rk27xx)
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08:14:18evilnick[Saint]: Your Android theme is fantastic, thanks for putting in that work :)
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08:15:28[Saint], thanks. Best praise I've had for it yet. Did you pull it off the forums, or a link of mine from recently?
08:15:42[Saint](easy way to tell...does it have the tabs on the sides when in the WPS?)
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08:16:10evilnickIt has *something* on the sides, but they disappear when touched
08:16:30[Saint]Aha...I have a later version. One sec.
08:16:35evilnickAnd I got it from a link in one of the Unofficial builds, paulheu, I think
08:17:10[Saint]480x800 I assume?
08:17:22*evilnick is seriously flabbergasted by how good the Android version of RB is!
08:17:24evilnickYes, sir
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08:20:03[Saint]extract that to the uSD, and you'll probably have to go to Settings - Theme Settings - Browse Themes - DEFAULT to reapply any changes.
08:20:44*evilnick goes to the Windows PC to test this out
08:23:31[Saint]I *really* need to update the themes forum thread with my current changes.
08:24:08[Saint](I was waiting until I had the 320x480 port done, but real life, sickness, and hospitals have delayed my progress in that regard)
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08:33:03evilnickHmmm, there's quite a major bug in that
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08:33:51evilnickDuring the menus, it's fine but on WPS the volume icon is gone :(
08:35:19evilnickIf I click in the space where it's supposed to be then I can use the slider to increase/decrease the volume but there's no visual feedback except for the dB where the tracks/playlist is shown
08:39:23[Saint]Hmmmm....ok. Weird. I'll have a play with it after I've finished stuffing my face.
08:40:01evilnickThere are a few more strange things, but I'm not sure if they are theme related or Android port related!
08:42:12[Saint]when you say "no visual feedback"...does that just mean that the volume icon is missing, or is the slider not "sliding" either?
08:42:20evilnickBoth are missing
08:42:31evilnickThere's the gap for the slider, but no actual slider
08:42:52evilnickThe only way to know that you're changing the volume is audibly (!) and the dB increasing
08:43:03evilnickStill very much usable though!
08:44:22evilnickI can't see the tabs either
08:44:38evilnick(Are they supposed to be either side of the album art?)
08:46:13[Saint]Hmmmm...I can't see any reason as to why this should be happening. By chance, did you let the extraction over-write everything it wanted to?
08:46:25evilnickI did the first time
08:46:59[Saint]You've tried extracting it twice now?
08:47:07evilnickAnd then to test if the zip software was overwriting, I then removed anything with DEFAULT in it from the wps, theme, etc. folders and extracted again
08:47:10evilnickThen re-loaded it
08:47:21evilnickSame issue though :(
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08:50:20*evilnick wants the Android port to auto-submit the .scrobble.log :D
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09:49:23clmoeRuntime: 42 hours or so - Battery: about 76%
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09:49:51clmoeBut if I'm reading that right the battery had a nice .02-4 volt drop when I turned the screen on
09:49:54clmoenot cool.
09:50:22clmoesup brah
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09:51:40serenityAre/were there any plans to port rb to car stereos?
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09:52:04clmoeI don't know much, but I wouldn't think they would
09:52:48serenitywas rather hypothetical. ;)
09:53:18clmoeWell, you could always try coding it yourself
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09:53:42clmoeI don't do coding though, so I wouldn't know
09:53:50clmoeall I know is how to hook up big batteries to my clip plus
09:54:29serenityProblem about the stereos is the variable hardware
09:55:28clmoeI don't think the hardware varies any more than portable devices
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09:56:05clmoebut what rockbox ends up on is largly based on developer interest, FWIK
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09:56:37serenityas always :)
09:56:45serenityi know it from "my" users ;)
09:56:53serenitywontfix :-P
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10:51:04CIA-14New commit by bluebrother (r30142): Remove BrowseDirTree. ...
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10:54:11CIA-14r30142 build result: 1 errors, 1 warnings (bluebrother committed)
10:54:36*bluebrother considers dropping the "Rb" variant from the Rockbox Utility OS X logo for larger sizes
10:56:42pixelmaweren't you voted as "logo manager" at DevCon anyway? ;)
10:56:47pixelmaor elected
10:58:24bluebrotherwhich means I need to get my task done some time and as I'm currently looking at that logo it might be a good chance
11:02:11bertrikWhat's the cheapest rockchip based device that could possibly run rockbox?
11:06:22bertrika series of system-on-chip chips made by Fuzhou Rockchip Electronics Company and used in things like mp3 players
11:07:44bertrikwodz is working on those and has the basic framework up to run custom rockbox code (a hacked bootloader I presume)
11:10:38*[Saint] wonders about fs#11577 and fs#11767 again
11:11:08[Saint] bluebrother_bot?
11:11:20[Saint] I have to do work and type things.
11:11:53bluebrotherhmm, bot is around and running
11:12:05[Saint]Adjustable inter-ear delay (crossfeed), and Meier crossfeed.
11:12:38[Saint]I've had those two patches in my tree since day one of them being posted, and happen to think them very beneficial.
11:12:49bluebrotherand the log says it recognized those.
11:13:05JdGordon[Saint]: has anyone commented on them?
11:13:10fs-bluebot Adjustable inter-ear delay for crossfeed (patches, closed)
11:13:25[Saint]the *one* tweak I'd make would be to automagically set the crossfeed to "Custom" if an inter-ear delay is set, so it actually works.
11:13:43*bluebrother wonders if there is a bug with channel actions
11:13:49[Saint]bluebrother: Oh...guess it can't handle two taks per line?
11:14:10bluebrother[Saint]: it _should_, if even only pick the first. The log shows both though.
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11:14:36bluebrotherhmm, works fine if I'm trying directly.
11:14:40JdGordon[Saint]: both are bertrik's patches and he is a commiter.. so bug him
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11:19:05AlexPAny objection to me committing FS #12188 ?
11:19:06fs-bluebot Fix perl scripts that used Switch. (patches, unconfirmed)
11:19:11AlexPI cn't build without it
11:19:28AlexPCurrent perl removes switch
11:19:47[Saint]He appears to have given up on the adjustable inter-ear delay...but as far as I can tell the intent is to submit the Meier crossfeed implementation.
11:19:57AlexPThis replaces it with given/when, which was apparently introduced about three years ago
11:20:03[Saint]It seems that what's holding it back from being committed is a manual entry.
11:20:18[Saint]it ==
11:22:29AlexPeven debian stable seems to have a new enough version of perl
11:25:18JdGordonAlexP: if it works on debian stable it will probably be ok
11:25:23JdGordonwhat about cygwin? osx?
11:25:36AlexPJdGordon: It was introduced in perl 5.10, which is what is in debian stable
11:25:47AlexPno idea for cygwin/osx
11:25:55AlexPBut I don't think we have much choice
11:26:07AlexPthe feature used has been removed fro perl 5.14
11:26:18AlexPMy distro is already on that, others will be soon
11:26:25amiconnAlexP: I remember having done an upgrade from perl 5.8.x somewhere recently. Unfortunately I don't remember what that was
11:26:58amiconnCurrent Cygwin has perl 5.10.1
11:27:01AlexPJdGordon: You have a Mac right? Could you check what version is installed
11:27:11AlexPamiconn: OK, so cygwin should be fine at least
11:27:31JdGordonAlexP: i have physical access to a mac at my parents house..dunno about ssh access :)
11:27:38AlexPah :)
11:27:44JdGordonill see if it is on
11:27:53AlexPbluebrother: You have a mac yes? Could you check what version of perl it has?
11:28:09amiconnCygwin 1.7 that is - not sure what perl version the legacy cygwin 1.5.25 has
11:28:20bluebrotherAlexP: yes
11:28:56amiconnCygwin 1.5.x is only kept available for use on win9x and isn't supported anymore, so I think we can ignore that
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11:29:07AlexPamiconn: OK, great :)
11:29:18bluebrotherAlexP: 10.6 comes with Perl 5.10.0
11:29:33AlexPOK, that's just new enough
11:29:59amiconnHmm, what about some older osx versions, like 10.4? (iirc the last one that supports ppc)
11:30:01AlexPbluebrother: How trivial or otherwise is it to update stuff like that on mac (thinking about older version)
11:30:42bluebrotherAlexP: installing Perl using MacPorts is simple. In fact the default Perl on my machine is now 5.12.3 from MacPorts :)
11:31:05AlexPOK, so people on older OSXs can update without too much pain if necessary
11:31:08amiconnbluebrother: Is that available for ppc as well?
11:31:08bluebrotherhow many people are using OS X for building Rockbox anyway?
11:32:05AlexPbluebrother: Well as I say I don't think there is much choice - up-to-date linux distros will already be on perl 5.14 (such as Arch), which needs this change or you can't build, and others will soon follow
11:32:52AlexPI'll post to the dev list anyway letting people know
11:32:52bluebrotherwhich version of Perl introduced given/when?
11:33:33bluebrotherI would expect people developing on OS X to have a rather recent version anyway.
11:35:12bluebrotheramiconn: MacPorts builds from sources, so I'm rather sure that works on ppc as well.
11:35:37bluebrotherhmm, according to the MacPorts website they target 10.6 and 10.5
11:37:15bluebrotherbut they have a package for Tiger, so I guess it would work there too
11:38:27bluebrotherActiveState has a perl package for OS X that is built as universal binary. So if you only want to update Perl it's even easier.
11:38:56bluebrotherso I don't see any problems here and vote for committing
11:39:17pixelmaI don't have access to a PPC Mac running 10.4 anymore, so that probably won't get testers
11:40:02bluebrothermight be interesting to see how many people are building Rockbox on a Mac anyway. My guess would be that there are almost none
11:41:06pixelmaoh that too, it was only a work computer so I didn't want to install a build environment anyway
11:42:20bluebrotherwe can always argue that Mac users can also use a VM ;-)
11:43:41AlexPI'll post to the dev list then commit in a couple of days if nobody complains
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12:29:28[Saint]Hey, about?
12:30:03[Saint]I found out what happened to those fs-bluebot notifications that "dissappeared" when I included two FS#'s in one post.
12:30:10[Saint]it PM'd them to me ;)
12:30:39[Saint]I only just noticed the chat window now, lol.
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12:39:01clmoeRuntine: 45 h
12:39:11clmoeBattery voltage: 3.92~
12:39:51clmoeThe drain curb is pretty level, so it looks like a huge dip whenever the screen is turned on. It's actually more like .02v
12:40:00bluebrother[Saint]: yeps
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12:40:24bluebrotherah, so there is a bug with actions then ;)
12:40:34*bluebrother will look into that later
12:40:55clmoeHey, what would be the easiest way to modify the max charge time on the clip plus?
12:40:55bluebrotherwe said during devcon that the box should be in front of the Rock, correct?
12:41:23clmoeI think the charge time and charge amperage are in the same file but I don't have a clue as to changing it
12:42:33bluebrotherclmoe: see firmware/export/config/sansaclipplus.h
12:42:54clmoecan I edit it as text?
12:43:21clmoe(I can't do anything to it at the moment, doing a batterybench run)
12:43:51*[Saint] feels he's being too literal
12:49:26bluebrotherclmoe: that's a source file, you need to compile afterwards anyway
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12:58:05bluebrotherhmm, Rockbox showing the Album Art in the notification would be nice :)
13:04:54JdGordonwould it? :p
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13:08:38bluebrotherno, I was just kidding :P
13:10:10JdGordonI would like to get the native statusbar going though instead of the rockbox one
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13:11:16JdGordonnot sure how we'd do that and keep the rockbox display to 480x800 (or whatever)
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13:18:29bluebrotheris the size of the Android status bar known?
13:18:40bluebrotherknown as in fixed?
13:20:12bluebrotherreminds me that I wanted to get a larger iconset in
13:24:51JdGordonthe simple solution (if the bar height is known) is simply fix the ui viewports to draw under it
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14:02:20pamaurywhat does the BUTTON_REL qualifier means ?
14:02:45JdGordonit means the button was *just* released
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14:18:05pamauryare there some standard names for keys ?
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14:23:14JdGordonpamaury: IIRC the only keys which need to be defined are BUTTON_LEFT and BUTTON_RIGHT
14:23:19JdGordonnew port?
14:24:19pamauryI have two: the fuze+ and another device. The other device is touchscreen and has four buttons: volume up&down, menu and power
14:25:10bertrikthe meizu m3 doesn't have a LEFT nor a RIGHT key :)
14:26:37JdGordonit probably has them #defined to other buttons though no?
14:27:08pamauryyes, to 0
14:28:05AlexPbertrik: It also doesn't really do anything :)
14:29:34pamauryis it important that those do something ?
14:31:17bertrikit runs a hacked rockbox bootloader with some test functions IIRC (at least if it still compiles ...)
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14:38:00jbotalanquick question. what's the policy on bringing outside code into rockbox? specifically i'm looking at a piece of code that's under the new bsd license. i'm not a lawyer and don't want to cause trouble...
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14:38:43Torneanything that's compatible with GPLv2+ is no problem
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14:40:18jbotalanah−−cool thanks
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18:04:44pamauryI see that we have drivers for WM89{71,75,85} how does WM8976 compare to these ones ? is it handled ?
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18:10:41pamauryby the way I can't find the datasheet of the WM8975 so I can't compare, but I have the one of the WM8978. However that would help if someone familiar already know this
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19:56:12*pamaury has fun reverse engineering c++....
19:56:32pamauryseriously, who would write a WAV device driver in C++ ?
19:56:47pamauryin that some kind of torture or something ?
19:58:58Bagderit sure sounds like torture to me!
20:01:32pamauryeven worse, using inheritance when you don't need it
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20:11:58hunternet93How do I send and receive serial messages from within a program on a device? I enabled USB serial in the source, but haven't found the commands. I'm very new to Rockbox development so I don't know where to look.
20:16:15pamauryyou can call usb_serial_send to send from the device to host
20:16:25pamaurythe other direction is not implemented
20:16:42pamauryon the host side, it depends on your OS
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20:22:03pamauryif you are using writing a plugin, you can't do this and your best chance is to use the HID interface. It mainly depends on what you are trying to achieve
20:22:30hunternet93I want to send stuff to and from a Linux computer
20:22:47hunternet93I've used serial before. never and HID stuff
20:23:45hunternet93My idea is to have a program that will send images from a computer to be displayed on the Sansa e200's screen
20:23:55pamauryand are you writing a plugin ?
20:24:27pamauryI'm afraid you can't do that without modifying the usb_serial driver
20:24:33hunternet93Are there any examples of a HID plugin I could use?
20:25:08pamaurythe problem with HID is that the plugin interface kind of assumes device -> host transfers iirc. There is a HID plugin
20:26:13hunternet93What would you suggest I do to be able to send from a computer to the Sansa?
20:26:48pamauryit's called remote_control
20:27:25hunternet93I've used the remote control before
20:27:33hunternet93It's pretty cool actually
20:27:51pamauryit depends on lots of things, like the speed, how much data you want transfer, etc. If it's just an small image, usb serial will do but you will need to modify the driver. Let me think about it
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20:32:24hunternet93Serial would be nice because of it's simplicity. I don't need the image to be updated quickly, just once every few seconds.
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20:38:38pamauryhunternet93: something like this could do
20:38:56pamauryit's untested, I don't really have a device to test on it unfortunately
20:39:10hunternet93I'd be happy to test
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20:39:30hunternet93So... how do I install the patch?
20:39:33pamauryyou must call usb_serial_recv to start receiving, it's blocks until the data is there.
20:39:50pamaurypatch -p1 < file.diff
20:40:04hunternet93in the root of the rockbox svn?
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20:40:39hunternet93Ok, patched
20:40:41user_I just checked out a new svn and compiled, make fullzip, and copied the zip contents into the root of my clip to replace the previous .rockbox folder, but now it says "loading firmware firmware not found"
20:41:31hunternet93pamaury: Make gives me "/home/hunter/devel/rockbox/apps/plugin.c:793: error: ‘usb_serial_send’ undeclared here (not in a function)
20:41:33hunternet93/home/hunter/devel/rockbox/apps/plugin.c:794: error: ‘usb_serial_recv’ undeclared here (not in a function)"
20:42:12pamauryor yeah, you must #include "usb_serial.h"
20:42:21pamauryin plugin.c
20:43:33hunternet93error: usb_serial.h: No such file or directory
20:44:29pamaurytry #include "usbstack/usb_serial.h"
20:45:31hunternet93Now I get: /home/hunter/devel/rockbox/firmware/usbstack/usb_serial.c:245: error: conflicting types for ‘usb_serial_recv’
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20:48:08hunternet93it returns an int so line 245 should be "int usb_serial_recv(..."
20:48:37hunternet93that fixed the error
20:48:42pamauryand it's semaphore_wait(&recv_sema, TIMEOUT_BLOCK);
20:49:56hunternet93It make-ed without errors now! It should be finished in a few minutes
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20:50:49hunternet93To make a plugin, do I just add it to the apps/plugins folder or do I need to do something else?
20:51:30pamaurysee the wiki, I don't remember exactly
20:51:49pamauryyou probably need to add to SOURCES or something like that
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20:52:00hunternet93I'm unzipping the new firmware onto my sansa
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20:52:56hunternet93It booted, I just need to write a program to test serial now
20:53:25pamaurynote that this is a rather ugly hack, it might crash or do weird things depending on which other you close the plugin or the usb connection
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21:02:22hunternet93How do I get the data from usb_serial_recv()?
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21:04:03pamaurycall usb_serial_recv(buf, size) and it will return when it has data
21:04:48hunternet93And it'll put the data in buf?
21:04:50pamaurydon't call it with a too large size
21:05:28pamaurysomething like a 8Kb is ok
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21:07:02pamauryI suggest you to first try using serial_send because it's has been tested
21:07:30hunternet93I'll test it, I'm trying to set up a call-response kind of thing
21:07:40hunternet93I'll have it send first
21:09:15noteventimeIs USB audio support still being worked on, the latest information I could find was from the feature request from about a year ago.
21:11:32pamaurynoteventime: no, I don't have time for it; and it currently supports only one usb core (ARC) and would like to have support for at least two before committing something like this
21:12:41noteventimepamaury: Ok, thanks.
21:13:25pamaurybut if by chance you have a device with such a usb core, it should work
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21:18:22noteventimepamaury: How do I tell?
21:18:52pamaurywhich device do you have ?
21:18:56noteventimeA Cowon D2
21:20:47pamauryunfortunately not, and the cowon d2 driver is quite unstable iirc
21:21:28noteventimeYes, I read about that
21:21:46hunternet93How do I disable the USB storage mode on a Sansa e200
21:22:29pamauryin config.h, you comment HAVE_USB_STORAGE or something similar
21:22:54noteventimepamaury: It has a broken screen (to the extent of making it rather unusable), so I figured it was worth a try to get some use out of it. Thanks for the help though.
21:28:01hunternet93What baud rate should I use for serial?
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21:31:13pamaurydoesn't matter
21:31:20pamaurybaud rate is not relevant for usb serial
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21:32:32hunternet93I have a test plugin that will send a message over serial, but when I try to run it it gives me the error: "Can't open /.rockbox/rocks/apps/testSerial.rock"
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21:32:59hunternet93The plugin tutorial said nothing about .rock files
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21:34:07hunternet93testSerial.rock exists on the sansa... weird
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21:34:16pamauryrock files are plugin files, that's the file produced by the compilation which you should put on the device
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21:34:46pamaurymake sure both the core and the plugin are up to date, the plugin interface has to match
21:36:35hunternet93I put the freshly-compiled containing the serial tester on, do I need to do anything else?
21:36:50hunternet93Here's my code:
21:38:47pamaurynormally no
21:39:09pamauryhowever I don't remember if also contains the plugins...
21:39:38hunternet93I checked, my plugin is on the Sansa
21:39:56hunternet93It won't run, I probably did something wrong in the code
21:41:51hunternet93Here's the problem: None of the plugins run!
21:42:00hunternet93It gives the same error on everything...
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21:45:05hunternet93I'm building a simulator right now
21:45:24hunternet93Does my serial tester code look OK?
21:46:39pamauryactually, it doesn't do much so it should at least display the splash
21:47:21hunternet93Trying to make a simulator failed.
21:48:06pamaurythe simulator build will probably fail anyway because it doesn't emulate usb
21:48:27hunternet93I was just going to see if it would run _any_ plugins, my Sansa won't right now.
21:51:54pamaurytry to make clean
21:52:07pamauryand then rebuild everything
21:53:27hunternet93I did
21:53:44hunternet93...and it's still not working...
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21:56:00hunternet93Also, I'm not getting a /dev/ttyUSB device when plugging the device in. It shows up in dmesg, just won't register as a serial device.
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21:56:45pamauryyou must enable the serial driver in system > debug
21:56:47hunternet93wait, i got it to connect now
21:57:04hunternet93i had to rmmod the module and then modprobe with vendor and product ids
21:59:12hunternet93is there any way i can make it output stuff without running a plugin?
21:59:15hunternet93just to test?
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22:00:20pamauryyou can enable logf, then logf output is logged to serial
22:00:49noteventimepamaury: Out of curiosity, ARC usb controller means it's for PortalPlayer devices?
22:00:54pamaurybut you need to explicitely do so, so it's a bit tricky and
22:01:11pamaurynoteventime: no, it can be found on several devices, not all pp based
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22:03:37pamauryyou should investigate why plugins don't work
22:03:48pamaurythe serial_send part works for sure
22:04:08pamaury(but you need to start the plugin after usb connection)
22:04:48hunternet93I'll try deleting the old .rockbox folder and try again, maybe the plugins are old or something
22:05:26pamauryas I said, make sure the contains the plugins
22:05:59hunternet93I did a make fullzip this time instead of make zip, that might make a difference
22:06:38pamaurymake help will tell you exactly what it does
22:06:48hunternet93Plugins are working now! Time to test serial!
22:09:38hunternet93Do I need to enable the logf option for it to work?
22:10:53hunternet93It's not showing up a /dev/ttyUSB device though.
22:11:04hunternet93let me try the modprobe thing again
22:11:04pamaurydid you enable the serial driver in system > debug ?
22:12:23hunternet93the debug menu has nothing about serial...
22:12:50hunternet93I think I hit normal instead of advanced during the configure, maybe that broke this
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22:18:25hunternet93I got the testSerial program to work, but it just gave me gibberish. I think I need to change the baud rate.
22:19:01pamauryif I were you, I would use a dedicated program, I never really got it work properly with the /dev/tty interface
22:19:20hunternet93What do you mean?
22:19:41pamauryOn my side, I use this to read on the host: pamaury/pa-tools/tree/master/serial_reader">
22:20:23hunternet93I got screen to read properly, by the way.
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22:21:36pamauryas I said, baud rate is irrelevant for usb serial, the physical speed is the usb one
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22:25:54hunternet93Thanks for the patch and for helping me figure this out. I have to go now, so bye.
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22:33:18paulkHello, I'd like to contribute to the effort to port rb to philips gogear sa52xx since I have 2 of these devices, but I have some trouble with the screen: one is apparently defective and one shows everything "reverted"
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22:33:38paulkis there a chan where I could help fixing these issues on freenode?
22:34:19paulkit's not quite related to rockbox
22:34:32Bagdersorry, I didn't read it properly
22:34:45BagderI doubt you'll find anything philips related on irc
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23:09:39tmzthaven't checked in in quite a while, usb is getting pretty useful/advanced
23:14:00bluebrotherrendering is somewhat ugly but that's because this is on w2k
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