| 00:01:17 | bertrik | if it's possible, then someone should implement it |
| 00:02:27 | bertrik | I see there's a *huge* flyspray entry about it ... |
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| 00:14:33 | bertrik | silly patch won't even apply on the exact SVN revision is was based on |
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| 00:38:44 | the_kyle | AlexP: Sorry for the delay. My perl version is 5.14.1 |
| 00:39:08 | AlexP | I suspected so |
| 00:39:12 | AlexP | You need FS #12188 then |
| 00:39:13 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12188 Fix perl scripts that used Switch. (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 00:39:25 | AlexP | I'll commit it in a few days |
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| 00:41:29 | the_kyle | AlexP: Perhaps this is the problem. The Perl upgrade came in about a week ago, and I hadn't updated my Rockbos SVN until late last night. |
| 00:41:50 | AlexP | With current perl Rockbox won't build without that |
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| 02:09:33 | the_kyle | AlexP: Thanks. I'll try to build with the patch. I remember seeing that switch thing somewhere. I guess they just took it out in the latest version of Perl. |
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| 02:33:20 | the_kyle | FS #12188 works like a dream! Thanks. |
| 02:33:21 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12188 Fix perl scripts that used Switch. (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 02:33:51 | the_kyle | Or well at least it builds correctly. :P |
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| 02:46:40 | mdd5 | hey anyone around |
| 02:46:53 | [Saint] | 121 peole, not including yourself. |
| 02:47:16 | mdd5 | yoo |
| 02:49:15 | RansomTime | [Saint]: you counted ChanServ as a person |
| 02:49:29 | [Saint] | and a bot too..."meh" ;) |
| 02:50:07 | JdGordon | 2 bots |
| 02:51:13 | mdd5 | who are the mods in here? |
| 02:51:58 | JdGordon | this is a rockbox discussion channel, not a social one.. if you dont have a question you are welcome to idle |
| 02:52:05 | [Saint] | You won't know until you piss someone off ;) |
| 02:52:11 | [Saint] | Also, that. |
| 02:53:17 | mdd5 | darn.. trying to get ahold of one of them. |
| 02:53:24 | scorche | why? |
| 02:55:02 | mdd5 | im trying to tracker down a old user that use to come in this irc channel. would like to know whens the last time he was in here. |
| 02:55:47 | scorche | you could search through the logs on rockbox.org/irc |
| 02:55:56 | RansomTime | /cs access #rockbox list |
| 02:56:14 | scorche | RansomTime: no, that wouldnt help |
| 02:56:19 | RansomTime | ? |
| 02:56:51 | mdd5 | idk if you guys know him his irc nick is mrlala |
| 02:57:28 | scorche | mdd5: the logs are indexed by google too.... |
| 02:57:34 | [Saint] | "/nickserv info username" |
| 02:57:39 | RansomTime | [01:57] -NickServ- mrlala is not registered. |
| 02:57:55 | [Saint] | well, there ya go..its log searchin' for you. |
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| 03:00:20 | biopyte | hi. fm radio frequency counts only in 0.2 steps, but i need 0.1 steps to adjust for the full signal (as could be done in the native firmware). any ideas? |
| 03:00:23 | biopyte | clip+ |
| 03:00:54 | scorche | biopyte: you can adjust the region in the settings |
| 03:01:14 | biopyte | ok, i try |
| 03:04:03 | biopyte | it worked, great ... thanks |
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| 03:17:39 | biopyte | i have difficulties navigating back from submenus to the top level menu. whats the trick? |
| 03:18:16 | [Saint] | you should be able to navigate the menus with nothing more than left and right |
| 03:18:30 | [Saint] | |<< and >>| |
| 03:18:52 | biopyte | i'm stuck in FM radio menu and cant get back to top level |
| 03:19:14 | * | [Saint] suggests reading the manual. |
| 03:19:24 | JdGordon | mdd5: pming mods on the forums is not a good way to win friends |
| 03:19:33 | biopyte | you mean ... RTFM? |
| 03:19:40 | biopyte | ;-) |
| 03:19:58 | [Saint] | biopyte: I do indeed, its usually expected that you do so before coming here. |
| 03:20:28 | biopyte | well ... |
| 03:20:40 | mdd5 | heh sorry... |
| 03:28:38 | JdGordon | [Saint]: get to testing that patch yet? :) |
| 03:29:56 | biopyte | i selected several FM presets but switching off they dissappeared. do i necessary have to my presets in preset list. i dont need lists, i have only one set of presets. |
| 03:41:06 | [Saint] | iirc, you need to actually save the preset list. |
| 03:41:19 | [Saint] | this isn't done automatically, I believe. |
| 03:42:52 | biopyte | ok, i saved my presets in RADIO.fmr |
| 03:45:44 | biopyte | i just deleted ##music# and ##port# in the files menu. hope that wasnt a mistake ... |
| 03:46:26 | [Saint] | If you had music in there, then yes...it was. If not, then no, don't worry. They'll be re-created the next time you boot the OF. |
| 03:46:55 | biopyte | ok |
| 03:47:44 | biopyte | very nice Rockbox ... i installed today for the first time |
| 03:50:10 | biopyte | making a mainframe computer from a stupid little clip+ player ... :-) |
| 03:52:01 | biopyte | i just wonder how you can compile the code for so many different players ... or is it always the same processor type? ARM? |
| 03:52:30 | JdGordon | no |
| 03:53:16 | JdGordon | most are ARM based but we support MIPS and SH and coldfire |
| 03:54:01 | biopyte | i see ... interesting |
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| 03:54:41 | JdGordon | and of course x86, but I dont tinhk there is a single line or x86 optimised assmebly in the source :) |
| 03:55:42 | biopyte | but this has nothing to do with linux, right ... rockbox itself is somehow an operating system |
| 03:56:08 | [Saint] | Not somehow, it is ;) |
| 03:56:21 | [Saint] | Its a complete firmware replacement. |
| 03:56:31 | biopyte | yep |
| 03:57:22 | biopyte | would it be possible to install a stripped down linux ... just for curiosity ... should ... |
| 03:59:05 | biopyte | turning the clip+ into a web server ... hehe |
| 03:59:30 | [Saint] | that would almost certainly be beyond its capability. |
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| 04:00:10 | [Saint] | Judging by the death of the SansaLinux project...I don't think anyone really cares about doing so. As it would take years and years of work to compete with Rockbox. |
| 04:00:12 | JdGordon | i wouldnt be so sure of that |
| 04:01:50 | [Saint] | Well, ok...fair call. Do we mean a webserver, or a webserver that actually can do anything useful? ;) |
| 04:03:50 | biopyte | sansalinux ... i see ...so they turned the player into a linux box ... whatever thats good for |
| 04:03:56 | the_kyle | Maybe not Apache, but it may be possible to get Lighttpd to run. :) |
| 04:04:04 | biopyte | cool, anyway |
| 04:05:24 | the_kyle | Not sure how you'd get a clip to connect to the internet though. A web server is no good without a network.:P |
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| 04:08:14 | biopyte | usb/rj-45 adapter |
| 04:08:23 | biopyte | ;-) |
| 04:11:10 | the_kyle | Well, in that case, even if a web server wouldn't run, it could still probably be the world's smallest router. Of course it would need multiple ports connected through the adapter. :P |
| 04:12:31 | biopyte | you need network hardware, no way you can connect a clip to the internet |
| 04:12:50 | the_kyle | A Clip likely wouldn't have much ufnctionality as a PC. It would have fairly good PDA functionality though, if you have a way to connect a more proper keyboard. |
| 04:14:06 | biopyte | keyboard connects to usb |
| 04:14:48 | the_kyle | Rockbox itself has a rather surprising featureset outside of the music player. Probably no need to stretch Linux to its lower memory limits for a Clip. |
| 04:15:25 | biopyte | right |
| 04:15:40 | the_kyle | Better to continue to make Rockbox run on Android. :P |
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| 04:16:32 | biopyte | though memory is not the limiting factor |
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| 04:19:42 | the_kyle | Disk space is good, and processor speed is actually acceptable for most small console-based or light-weight graphical applications. The real limitation is in the interface hardware. The Clip connects as a USB client rather than a host, and the keyboard interface is extremely limited. Not to mention screen size. |
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| 04:23:09 | biopyte | yeah there better things to do |
| 04:23:55 | biopyte | e.g. writing an eartraing app :-o |
| 04:24:07 | biopyte | eartraining |
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| 05:19:55 | [Saint] | the_kyle: regarding connectiong an external keyboard to a DAP...I'm not sure how many (if any) Rockboxable devices actually have a USB host port. |
| 05:20:09 | [Saint] | So...not possible. |
| 05:21:08 | tmzt | the_kyle: you could have a usb ethernet client profile though, would be nice to have to option to have my fuze pull down podcasts by itself |
| 05:23:07 | tmzt | would you imagine that sansalinux died with the pp sansas since it was a port of ipodlinux I assume? |
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| 05:23:33 | mystica555_ | [Saint]: h3xx irivers do; whether its enabled or not is a matter of debate / which country yours was bought in |
| 05:23:39 | mystica555_ | atleast, usb-otg |
| 05:23:48 | mystica555_ | so thats prob not host specifically... |
| 05:25:31 | [Saint] | tmzt: Along a similar line, there have been a number of people (myself included) that have mentioned how cool it would be if Rockbox had some degree of internet connectability. Whether that be directly, or through a connected host. This could be useful for such things as a form of "social networking" or filesharing with other Rockbox users. |
| 05:26:14 | [Saint] | Being able to automatically pull music from another connected DAP (based on user privacy settings), and suggest playlists for "friends" etc. |
| 05:26:14 | tmzt | I was hoping that wifi players would become more available (other than connect which was linux/mono and killed) |
| 05:26:31 | tmzt | also, someone mentioned audioscrobbler uploads |
| 05:26:45 | tmzt | but I'm just talking about a small ip stack, mostly as an experiment with such things |
| 05:26:54 | tmzt | or something like uIP |
| 05:27:07 | tmzt | I guess usb code is getting to the point it would work |
| 05:27:29 | [Saint] | I think it would be nice for (again, based on suer privacy settings) for my "friends" to be able to edit my playlist/currently playing track. And to be able to share music/files with "friends" also. |
| 05:27:41 | [Saint] | Legality of such a thing is questionable, though. |
| 05:27:43 | tmzt | is there a way to controll songs playing through usb serial yet? |
| 05:27:57 | JdGordon | [Saint]: that could happen with android but unlikely |
| 05:28:55 | [Saint] | Being able to access the music libraries of anyone running Rockbox that happened to be connected at that point (and allowed it in privacy settings) would be PURE AWESOME |
| 05:29:18 | JdGordon | and pure lawsuit-bait |
| 05:29:25 | [Saint] | streaming from any connected user that allows it, basically makes a devices physical storage irrelevant (whilst connected) |
| 05:30:23 | tmzt | DAAP could work too |
| 05:30:32 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Oh, yes. Very, very questionable legality....but, "meh" ;) |
| 05:30:40 | tmzt | it's nice because it's cross platform, you just need rndis etc. |
| 05:30:59 | JdGordon | DAAP is far more likely |
| 05:31:02 | [Saint] | Offering the ability to do so isn't illegal, using it to share copyrighted material may well be in your locality, though. |
| 05:33:11 | [Saint] | Implement a Rockbox version of DAAP and call it "Hello.rock" (as opposed to Bonjour) :D |
| 05:33:43 | [Saint] | it *is* Bonjour that's Apple's DAAP service, no? |
| 05:33:57 | tmzt | DAAP uses Bonjour (mDNS) |
| 05:34:04 | [Saint] | Ah. |
| 05:34:04 | tmzt | for discovery |
| 05:34:28 | tmzt | also DOAP which is the audio streaming protocol they have, but it has some crypto in it |
| 05:34:34 | tmzt | maybe a little much for a sansa |
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| 06:56:09 | clmoe | run time: 88 hours |
| 06:56:28 | clmoe | battery: 3.775v |
| 06:58:33 | [Saint] | clmoe; What target is that? |
| 06:58:55 | clmoe | target? |
| 06:59:03 | [Saint] | device. |
| 06:59:08 | clmoe | oh, clip plus |
| 06:59:24 | clmoe | it's been -slightly- modified though |
| 06:59:25 | clmoe | hold on |
| 06:59:36 | [Saint] | that's a *really* unbelieveable runtime. ~4 days!?! |
| 06:59:48 | JdGordon | slightly omdified? with a 6 cell battery? :D |
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| 07:00:23 | clmoe | Two cells, actually |
| 07:00:24 | clmoe | http://i.imgur.com/VBotZ.jpg |
| 07:00:32 | [Saint] | Oh. Right. Yeah...that pretty much makes the battery bench irrlevant. |
| 07:00:52 | clmoe | I want to post it on the sansa battery runtime |
| 07:00:56 | [Saint] | And my god that's ugly as hell. |
| 07:01:09 | [Saint] | clmoe: No, I wouldn't do so. |
| 07:01:11 | clmoe | hey I've got the hip purple buttons going on |
| 07:01:27 | clmoe | http://i.imgur.com/yKr3p.jpg and you didn't see the back |
| 07:01:37 | [Saint] | that's for the runtime of players with factory batteries. Or at the least commercially available aftermarket ones. |
| 07:01:55 | [Saint] | posting your runtime there really wouldn't be suited. |
| 07:01:56 | clmoe | if it doesn't at least get 150 hours I'm going to be rather mad. These batteries are still under spec, but better than the last set I got |
| 07:02:20 | clmoe | Those are commercially avalible. Got them for 15$ or so off of amazon |
| 07:02:39 | clmoe | it's no harder to put those on then it would be to replace the stock battery, just need some hot glue |
| 07:02:41 | [Saint] | Yes. that may be true, but they are not designed for that device. |
| 07:03:03 | [Saint] | If people see you getting 88 hours, they'll wonder why they aren't getting anywhere near that. |
| 07:03:21 | [Saint] | By all means make a "yay for me" post on the forums. |
| 07:03:23 | clmoe | if it died at 88 hours I'd buy 4 more of those and install them |
| 07:03:41 | [Saint] | But I really don't think that posting it on the sansa runtime wiki is appropriate. |
| 07:03:56 | clmoe | Eh, I guess I'll make a forum post |
| 07:04:13 | clmoe | I'm kinda tired of getting under spec batteries though. Last set I got were supposed to be 2x 3600mah |
| 07:04:34 | clmoe | Going by the runtime compared to the stock battery, they were around 1000mah between the two |
| 07:04:49 | [Saint] | I mean, you mod is cool and all...but it turns a perfectly functional DAP into a delicate mess ;) |
| 07:05:05 | clmoe | These are looking to be about 3100mah combinded, and are rated for 2200mah each |
| 07:05:08 | clmoe | actually, it's very durable |
| 07:05:38 | clmoe | That's why I put so much friggin hot glue on it. I could toss it just as much as I could a stock clipp |
| 07:06:34 | [Saint] | I'd almost be willing to put money on the battery and DAp being rendered in twain with relative ease. |
| 07:07:18 | clmoe | ok you've got me with that twain word, google isn't helping |
| 07:07:31 | [Saint] | two |
| 07:07:56 | clmoe | I honestly think it'd take a good throw to do it |
| 07:08:33 | clmoe | I couldn't forcefully remove the last set without heating the glue first. You'd have to be giving it a really hard time to break it. That said I think this one has a bit less glue between the batteries and the clipp, but nonetheless |
| 07:08:42 | [Saint] | or grabbing the battery pack in one hand, the DAP in the other, and giving a slight twist. |
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| 07:09:08 | clmoe | no it's not coming off |
| 07:09:18 | clmoe | I literally just tried it, it's pretty sturdy |
| 07:09:24 | clmoe | (sp?) |
| 07:09:46 | clmoe | good thing I had the buttons locked or I'd have turned it off |
| 07:10:19 | clmoe | Maybe someone would like it enough to trade me for an X5 daughterboard |
| 07:10:38 | clmoe | er, actually I'm not sure if I'd want to use my X5L anymore. It's bulkier than this is |
| 07:10:49 | clmoe | and less durable TBH |
| 07:11:03 | [Saint] | iirc, an X5L holds the current runtime record. |
| 07:11:19 | [Saint] | (without glueing a huge ugly battery pack to its exterior ;)) |
| 07:11:32 | pixelma | no, the M5L |
| 07:11:47 | [Saint] | Ah, right. I knew you'd chime in there pixelma ;) |
| 07:11:53 | [Saint] | What was the runtime again? |
| 07:12:00 | scorche | over 48 hours |
| 07:12:04 | clmoe | My X5L would pull about 40, I think |
| 07:12:07 | pixelma | 51 hours something, close to 52 |
| 07:12:22 | clmoe | is the M5L the one with the BnW screen or no screen? |
| 07:12:31 | scorche | B/W |
| 07:12:37 | scorche | no screen is the M3 |
| 07:12:46 | clmoe | ah. |
| 07:12:46 | pixelma | greyscale |
| 07:12:50 | pixelma | that was with new batteries though, I couldn't get near to it now |
| 07:13:14 | clmoe | I want to get at least 150 because there was some DAP made a few years back that claimed 150 |
| 07:13:31 | pixelma | though it *should* even be better now with an SSD instead of a spinning disk |
| 07:13:37 | clmoe | which looked a lot like what this would be with a case actually |
| 07:14:02 | clmoe | I'd offer you the batteries out of my X5L, but I think they are below their prime now |
| 07:14:07 | clmoe | since my X5L has been sitting for a bit |
| 07:14:21 | clmoe | since it's* |
| 07:15:25 | clmoe | http://www.amazon.com/mobiBLU-B153-512-Player-White/dp/B000EY1LXW this thing |
| 07:15:44 | pixelma | runtime is still ok but not as good as it was, and from what I saw from other X5s, it's some quality problem with those Iaudio batteries |
| 07:16:24 | clmoe | I know the battery in mine would have serious voltage drops if it got cold |
| 07:16:35 | clmoe | I'd have to warm it up for it to start |
| 07:20:15 | clmoe | I always seem to end up with the bulkiest DAPs |
| 07:20:34 | clmoe | the X5L was pretty big, but I owned (er, still have) a Q5W |
| 07:21:28 | clmoe | I think I have a picture of it next to a cowon U5 somewhere |
| 07:24:17 | clmoe | eh, I can't find it. It was like hauling around a small brick with you |
| 07:24:46 | clmoe | and a few months after it came out, you could buy a netbook that did everything it did for half the price |
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| 10:22:26 | amiconn | scorche: (re runtime records) I think the M3L would not be better than the M5L, even with the remote detached. While it doesn't have to drive a display at all, it's MCF5249 based, while the M5 (and X5) have the MCF5250 |
| 10:22:56 | * | amiconn cannot test though, as he only has a non-L M3 |
| 10:23:28 | scorche | amiconn: yes, i remember from back when the tests were done - i was just telling a visitor which device was the one with no display |
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| 11:22:07 | clmoe | Oh this is looking good |
| 11:22:28 | clmoe | the battery voltage has leveled out around 3.75, it's been there for four hours now |
| 11:22:37 | clmoe | .775 actually |
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| 11:28:37 | drezon | hi |
| 11:31:26 | drezon | i've added a small patch (FS #12191) which changes some AS3515 setting (bias for DAC and HP amp) to higher quality for AMSv1 |
| 11:31:26 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12191 Higher quality audio hw settings for AS3515 (Clipv1, Fuzev1, m200v4, c200v2 and e200v2) (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 11:32:07 | drezon | Similar to FS #11304 but for AMSv1 |
| 11:32:08 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11304 higher quality audio hw settings for AS3543 (Clipv2, Clip+ and Fuzev2) (patches, new) |
| 11:32:41 | drezon | Haven't measured effects on battery runtime yet, though |
| 11:40:38 | AlexP | drezon: It'd be good to add a before and after battery bench, as you can guarantee you'll be asked for it :) |
| 11:46:06 | drezon | AlexP: thought so. I will do them the next two nights or so. |
| 11:46:17 | AlexP | cool |
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| 11:53:59 | drezon | Some RMAA measurements would be nice as well, but I've never done those myself and don't know whether my PC's audio input is good enough |
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| 11:55:09 | drezon | Also I don't have a HP splitter (yet) and RMAA should be done with a 16 Ohm load |
| 11:55:40 | clmoe | Hmm, this might solve the odd issues I have with a few files on my clip plus |
| 11:56:05 | clmoe | I've got a few songs that have inconsistant roll off in the top during very clip intensive parts of the song |
| 11:56:38 | drezon | No, the patch is for AMSv1 |
| 11:56:40 | clmoe | it's aparrently not audible to everyone though. I filed a bug report for it and even recorded the difference between the OEM firmware and rockbox, but they said they couldn't hear it |
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| 11:56:55 | clmoe | oh, pardon, I read the second one |
| 11:57:57 | drezon | The second one is kind of old |
| 11:58:17 | drezon | But according to RMAA measurements I've seen for the Clip+ (under load) there is no roll-off (with the patch *and* without) |
| 11:58:37 | drezon | The patch improves THD and IMD |
| 11:58:54 | drezon | As is expected if you increase an amp's bias current |
| 11:58:54 | clmoe | Well, my problem is some issue with rockbox playback, not hardware |
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| 12:00:14 | clmoe | as for that stuff, I'm not sure if it'd make an audible difference or not |
| 12:00:36 | clmoe | if you can I'd test it at a higher resistance as well as 16 ohms |
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| 12:02:06 | clmoe | OT: made a forum post for the clip battery stuff. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,28421.0.html |
| 12:07:33 | AlexP | clmoe: For audio quality issues it is difficult to rely on asking people to hear the same differences, as, well, they don't :) |
| 12:07:50 | AlexP | RMAA measurements are more likely to convince people if they can't hear it |
| 12:11:55 | clmoe | I'd say it's pretty major |
| 12:12:32 | clmoe | it's not a minor "these mids are recessed" kind of thing, it's a pretty signifigant changing roll off on the highs |
| 12:12:45 | clmoe | but anyway I think http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12111 fixes it but I have no clue how to put that on my clipp |
| 12:13:58 | drezon | Just patch and build :) |
| 12:14:29 | drezon | But I have a build that includes that patch and 11304 for the clip+ on my HD |
| 12:14:50 | drezon | Based on 3.9 tag |
| 12:15:07 | * | clmoe has no clue how to patch a tire or build a bicycle |
| 12:15:14 | clmoe | :( |
| 12:15:18 | drezon | I can send it to you if you want |
| 12:15:23 | AlexP | clmoe: If others can't hear it, it can't be that major |
| 12:15:45 | AlexP | And if they can't hear it yet you want to prove it is important, then all the extra evidence you can produce helps :) |
| 12:15:55 | clmoe | http://www.mediafire.com/?gbzfafa1ambyhm2 there's the recording |
| 12:16:10 | clmoe | it's some noisy "techno", so be warned |
| 12:16:22 | AlexP | Note that I'm not saying it isn't there, just that it may not be noticable to all |
| 12:16:56 | clmoe | it's not a major problem, as I've only had two songs it does this with. Both by the same artist no less |
| 12:17:02 | clmoe | but it annoys the hell out of me |
| 12:17:31 | AlexP | Where is the song (and I use the word advisedly) should I hear this? |
| 12:17:36 | AlexP | s/is/in/ |
| 12:18:22 | clmoe | it should be after the kick starts in the first part. I recorded the same section from the clip first from rockbox and second from the OF |
| 12:18:33 | clmoe | I'm listening to it now, and it's pretty bad IMO |
| 12:18:38 | AlexP | What time? |
| 12:19:01 | AlexP | e.g. compare 0:40 and 2:10 |
| 12:19:01 | drezon | clmoe: as said I have a clip+ build that include the HQ audio settings plus the AGC off stuff, which I can dcc you, if you want to test. |
| 12:19:07 | clmoe | lets seee |
| 12:19:11 | clmoe | :22 and |
| 12:19:19 | clmoe | 1:58 |
| 12:19:24 | clmoe | yeah it's very audible to me |
| 12:19:32 | clmoe | (I recorded this a long time ago) |
| 12:19:51 | clmoe | drezon, I'd love it if you could send it my way |
| 12:20:28 | clmoe | actually, would you know how to modify the charge time limit and charge current as well? I know there is a file for that in rockbox but again I've not a clue as to changing these things |
| 12:20:44 | AlexP | I can't really tell a difference |
| 12:20:51 | clmoe | Really? |
| 12:20:54 | AlexP | It all just sounds like noise to me anyway :) |
| 12:20:56 | drezon | Hmm.. I#m on IPv6 I just noticed. So dcc probably won't work |
| 12:21:03 | drezon | lol |
| 12:21:17 | clmoe | mediafire? |
| 12:21:36 | clmoe | alexp, what are you listening with? |
| 12:21:46 | AlexP | laptop and headphones at the moment |
| 12:21:52 | clmoe | what headphones |
| 12:21:55 | drezon | The charge current can be changed playing with the chargers registers. As well as the target voltage |
| 12:22:06 | AlexP | sennheiser ch95 |
| 12:22:09 | AlexP | *cx95 |
| 12:22:41 | clmoe | you don't have anything else laying around by chance? |
| 12:23:00 | * | clmoe is trying not to sound like an audiophile |
| 12:23:04 | AlexP | No, but these a pretty reasonable |
| 12:23:13 | AlexP | Not high end by any stretch |
| 12:23:19 | AlexP | But better than most people will have |
| 12:23:26 | clmoe | Well it certianly doesn't take high end to hear it I'd say |
| 12:23:45 | AlexP | Well I can't :) |
| 12:23:52 | AlexP | And it sounds like others can't either |
| 12:23:54 | clmoe | I just listened with my MDR 7506s, I'll see if I can hear it with my laptop sepakers |
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| 12:24:06 | AlexP | So if you really want to show it, you need something like RMAA |
| 12:24:42 | clmoe | listen to that sort of horn sounding bit at both times |
| 12:24:57 | clmoe | it has very audible volume changes in the first part |
| 12:25:26 | AlexP | I have to pop out now, but you are going to have to show that the output is different in a measurable, not subjective way I think |
| 12:25:28 | drezon | clmoe: http://www.mediafire.com/?q6jm61340gjexxh |
| 12:25:56 | clmoe | I'm not sure how people aren't hearing it to be honest, but whatev |
| 12:26:00 | clmoe | thanks drezon |
| 12:26:32 | clmoe | I'll have to wait until my batterybench is done to try it out |
| 12:26:39 | clmoe | have you listened to the file by chance? |
| 12:26:43 | drezon | no |
| 12:30:41 | clmoe | well, I just remembered that rockbox and the OF play at slightly different speeds |
| 12:31:01 | clmoe | I tried laying the OF recording over the rockbox recording and got some neat phasing |
| 12:31:37 | clmoe | I inverted one of the waveforms, I should mention |
| 12:32:51 | clmoe | drezon, would you mind listening to that if you don't mind? |
| 12:35:33 | JdGordon | did anyone test that playlist patch? |
| 12:35:34 | JdGordon | [Saint]: ? |
| 12:37:50 | drezon | clmoe: the charger on the clip+ is programmed to charge with 150mA but could go up to 400mA (or 460, if the charger block from the AS3543 is used, which I don't know). This is not configurable. |
| 12:39:04 | drezon | clmoe: i.e. you'd have to patch the source for the higher charging current |
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| 12:41:30 | clmoe | FWIK it charges at 50ma for some reason? |
| 12:41:49 | clmoe | I was talking with one guy and I think he said it normally charges at 50ma and that you can change a file to set it to 150 |
| 12:42:10 | clmoe | I'm more worried about the charge timer, since these batteries take a lot longer than four hours to charge |
| 12:42:16 | drezon | No, it's using 150mA −− at least according to the 3.9 sources |
| 12:43:14 | clmoe | well 150ma is fine with me then |
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| 12:44:24 | drezon | That's way too low for 4.4 Ah batteries |
| 12:45:32 | clmoe | I figure it's actually closer to 3.1, but I won't know for sure until I get the actuall runtime numbers |
| 12:46:06 | clmoe | I don't think there is anythig inherently wrong with charging it at such a low rate, it just takes a very long time to charge |
| 12:46:12 | clmoe | FWIK |
| 12:46:35 | drezon | Yes |
| 12:46:48 | drezon | It shouldn't harm AFAIK |
| 12:46:56 | clmoe | so I just need to fix the charge timer then |
| 12:47:04 | clmoe | that should be configurable |
| 12:48:52 | drezon | No, it's also in the source |
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| 12:51:18 | clmoe | sup dfkt |
| 12:57:01 | drezon | Is there any interest in better resampling in rockbox? |
| 12:57:58 | clmoe | Resampling? I wouldn't see why |
| 12:58:34 | clmoe | I think I'm thinking of a different resample though |
| 12:58:51 | drezon | A while ago I wrote some resampling code which calculates the analog signal at real point t by calculating the superposition of the sincs (scaled by sample value), i.e. what the reconstruction low-pass would have done |
| 12:59:56 | drezon | It used 7 predecessor and 7 successor samples and the sinc is windowed with a hamming window. i.e. it's 15 multiply-accumulate per sample (times two for stereo, of course) |
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| 13:00:24 | clmoe | seems like the kind of thing that would need either deticated hardware or a lot of processing power to do |
| 13:00:36 | * | clmoe doesn't know much about that though |
| 13:01:18 | n1s | drezon: per input or output samples? |
| 13:02:04 | drezon | per output |
| 13:04:09 | n1s | so, 44100*2*15 = 1323000 macs/s should be doable but slowish on arm7 |
| 13:05:19 | n1s | it will probably need to be done in asm to be efficient |
| 13:07:01 | n1s | there is a general interest in a better resampler i think, it has been talked about several times |
| 13:08:55 | drezon | hmm.. I don't know arm asm (yet) |
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| 13:38:18 | JdGordon | you know how we *hate* hidden and undocumented settings? |
| 13:38:18 | AlexP | drezon: Yes, very much - our current resampler is just a linear interpolation IIRC, and universally acknowledged to be a bit rubbish |
| 13:38:18 | AlexP | drezon: But speed is also very important |
| 13:38:18 | AlexP | JdGordon: Indeed? |
| 13:38:18 | JdGordon | I'm pretty sure the playlist catalog folder setting is both |
| 13:39:13 | drezon | AlexP: yes, i saw that it's just linear interpolation, that's why I asked |
| 13:39:13 | JdGordon | any suggestions how to fix that? add a folder context menu item like the "start folder here" setting? |
| 13:40:14 | drezon | Actually linear interpolation does nothing when downsampling (no low-pass or anything), so for downsampling you will get aliasing |
| 13:40:14 | AlexP | drezon: Don't forget also that we run on other things than arm, so if you propose something that needs ASM to be quick enough... :) |
| 13:40:14 | drezon | Well, I know how to write optimized m68k from my Amiga days |
| 13:41:11 | AlexP | ah, good news - that is one covered :) |
| 13:41:11 | drezon | So Coldfire should be covered |
| 13:41:11 | AlexP | but anyway, a better resampler would be very nice, it is just nobody has done it :) |
| 13:41:59 | AlexP | JdGordon: This is to set the folder used for the playlist catalog? |
| 13:41:59 | JdGordon | yep |
| 13:42:15 | AlexP | So yeah, I'd say in the same way as setting recording directory or file browser start |
| 13:42:29 | AlexP | I didn't know it could be changed :) |
| 13:43:31 | JdGordon | I bet you arent alone |
| 13:43:32 | JdGordon | I complelty forgot about it also |
| 13:46:05 | n1s | i'd like if we got regular settings for setting dirpaths instead of sticking it all ion the context menu |
| 13:46:17 | n1s | i realize it's a lot more work though :) |
| 13:46:21 | JdGordon | how would you do it? |
| 13:46:58 | n1s | a setting that would let you select a dir, same for recording dir and any other if we have more |
| 13:47:20 | JdGordon | not quite possible currently :) |
| 13:50:20 | JdGordon | FS #11808 really wants testers |
| 13:50:21 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11808 playlist handling changes (patches, new) |
| 13:51:01 | JdGordon | preferably someone who can help write the manual changes needed also :) |
| 13:52:01 | * | AlexP hides |
| 13:52:40 | AlexP | I'll try anyway though :) |
| 13:53:25 | n1s | JdGordon: something like opening a file browser with the context menu action remapped to selecting the target dir |
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| 14:02:23 | JdGordon | gbl08ma: hi, did you test the patch ?P) |
| 14:02:53 | gbl08ma | JdGordon: I was logging on just to inform you I was going to do so :) |
| 14:03:00 | JdGordon | awesome |
| 14:03:11 | JdGordon | im working on it now, so any bugs you find would be good to let me know :) |
| 14:03:18 | JdGordon | i just updated it with some fixes |
| 14:03:38 | gbl08ma | I'm now doing a svn update to patch the source with a up-to-date checkout |
| 14:04:03 | JdGordon | I *just* updated it on the tracker so redownload it |
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| 14:06:17 | gbl08ma | by *just* you mean today, right? because I already have the 18th July patch, downloaded it 5 min ago |
| 14:07:27 | gbl08ma | I can't remember if the command is "patch -p0 < file.diff" or "patch -p0 > file.diff"... oh well... going to the wiki again... |
| 14:07:41 | [Saint] | the first. |
| 14:07:46 | JdGordon | i mean about 5 min ago :) |
| 14:08:33 | gbl08ma | patching failed, all the hunks failed. |
| 14:08:46 | gbl08ma | perhaps it's -p1 instead of -p0 |
| 14:08:54 | [Saint] | 'tis |
| 14:09:45 | gbl08ma | it worked now, it was trying to patch inside directory "b" with -p0. but there was no directory "b". |
| 14:10:16 | AlexP | Hmmm, I'm going to have to make some playlists to test this |
| 14:11:28 | gbl08ma | here compiled without errors and a warning: unused variable ‘val’ in In function ‘playlist_view’ |
| 14:12:23 | gbl08ma | it seems rockbox hang again when connecting through USB... |
| 14:12:25 | JdGordon | ignore it |
| 14:13:17 | AlexP | JdGordon: I like seeing the playlist contents when clicking on it, but could it go to WPS when you then select a song? |
| 14:13:17 | gbl08ma | I guess Apple never thought the reboot key combination would be so used in certain iPods :) |
| 14:13:30 | JdGordon | alejust fixed that |
| 14:13:37 | AlexP | cool |
| 14:13:50 | JdGordon | did that not tab complete? |
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| 14:13:55 | AlexP | no :) |
| 14:14:02 | JdGordon | lovely :p |
| 14:14:11 | AlexP | Although I was gratified to see that ale just fixed it :) |
| 14:14:16 | AlexP | Is there anything it can't do? |
| 14:15:27 | evilnick_yaaic | kugel: Are there any plans to add an option to the Android port for auto-submitting the scrobbler log? |
| 14:16:09 | evilnick_yaaic | I'd think it's a reasonable assumption that an Android device will have internet access fairly often. |
| 14:16:37 | gbl08ma | JdGordon: the playlist viewer opens when I select a playlist; whenever I click a file it plays but doesn't go to WPS like AlexP said. |
| 14:16:57 | JdGordon | evilnick_yaaic: there was some talk about supporting scrobbledoird but nothing came of it |
| 14:17:28 | gbl08ma | JdGordon: what do you want me to test more? :) |
| 14:17:36 | JdGordon | everything :) |
| 14:17:46 | JdGordon | well, anything playlist related |
| 14:17:52 | JdGordon | and all the context menus |
| 14:17:57 | JdGordon | any suggestions to clean them up |
| 14:19:03 | gbl08ma | I like having the Playlists item in the main menu going to the playlist catalogue |
| 14:19:05 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11808#comment37894 <- test the bookmark issue in that comment would be great |
| 14:19:06 | evilnick_yaaic | Er... Scrobble droid is a game and Scrobbledroid (no space) doesn't seem to exist! |
| 14:19:10 | | Part freqmod ("http://quasseldroid.lekebilen.com - Chat wirelessly anywhere. ") |
| 14:20:04 | JdGordon | https://market.android.com/details?id=net.jjc1138.android.scrobbler&feature=search_result |
| 14:20:19 | gbl08ma | JdGordon: and now how do we create a playlist with all music on the player? before there was an option for that in the Playlists menu in the main menu |
| 14:20:38 | JdGordon | context menu on the "playlists" main menu item |
| 14:21:21 | gbl08ma | I see. and out of curiosity, what did this context menu have before? |
| 14:21:39 | JdGordon | the playlist settings |
| 14:21:49 | JdGordon | I tihnk :) |
| 14:21:58 | JdGordon | (not often admitedly) |
| 14:22:28 | evilnick_yaaic | Sorry, my mistake re: market classifying scrobble droid as a game... |
| 14:22:48 | gbl08ma | I don't have the bookmarks features needed to test that issue enabled |
| 14:23:30 | JdGordon | anyone use the bookmarks stuff? |
| 14:24:23 | gbl08ma | not related to this, but... on my iPod, even with an official SVN build, Rockbox often (if not always) hangs when I connect USB while pressing Menu (to enter charge-only mode without disk connection) |
| 14:25:05 | CIA-14 | New commit by mc2739 (r30153): IRC log viewer - fix broken URL display ... |
| 14:25:23 | gbl08ma | Also, when entering USB disk mode, it hangs many times (but not so often as in the charging mode), and the only way to bring it back is reseting the iPod |
| 14:25:35 | [Saint] | gbl08ma: You don't have to press Menu specificaly. |
| 14:25:48 | [Saint] | You can press *any* button to enter charge-only mode. |
| 14:25:54 | [Saint] | (except Hold) |
| 14:26:06 | gbl08ma | I didn't know about that, anyways it hangs. |
| 14:26:17 | [Saint] | I suspect that's your OS. |
| 14:26:20 | [Saint] | Works fine here. |
| 14:26:27 | AlexP | JdGordon: When doing context on Playlists, then create playlist, I think it a) should be called something like all.mu8 not root.m3u8 and b) the playlist should end up in your playlists folder |
| 14:26:30 | gbl08ma | It seems to be random: there are certain build where it works very well, then one or two revisions later it doesn't work |
| 14:26:57 | AlexP | JdGordon: I use bookmarking, but not with playlists - I use maintain recent list (unique), then just select them from there |
| 14:27:16 | gbl08ma | [Saint]: happens on every Linux distro I use and also on Windows 7. I don't think it's the OS, more of a problem in Rockbox's USB stack. |
| 14:27:26 | [Saint] | bah! /me stops typing what he was typing. |
| 14:27:45 | [Saint] | Yes, what AlexP said. Playlists created with all files should end up in the catalogue. |
| 14:27:52 | JdGordon | AlexP: ok to both (I was already going to fix the folder it saves to :) ) |
| 14:27:54 | [Saint] | I don't care about the naming, though. |
| 14:28:07 | JdGordon | and can you test that bookmark bug? i dont know how to use bookmarks at all :D |
| 14:28:13 | AlexP | which one is that? |
| 14:28:26 | JdGordon | in the comment i linked above |
| 14:28:46 | * | JdGordon wants the db to index all playlists |
| 14:28:53 | JdGordon | not their contents, but the files |
| 14:29:07 | [Saint] | gbl08ma: Weird, it doesn't happen to me on iPod Video, Nano 1 or 2G, or Color, or Photo. |
| 14:29:11 | AlexP | JdGordon: I'll have a look once I work out what it is :) |
| 14:29:19 | [Saint] | on either Windows or Linux |
| 14:30:02 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Yes, the Db indexing playlists would be awesome. How would it treat it, though? |
| 14:30:11 | [Saint] | A special "Plailists" subdir? |
| 14:30:17 | [Saint] | *Playlists too |
| 14:30:23 | gbl08ma | [Saint]: I'm using a nano 2G, 4GB memory. When I started using Rockbox more than one year ago it didn't do this, then I started using custom builds by myself, and I thought the problem was related to my source modifications |
| 14:30:41 | [Saint] | gbl08ma: It may well be. |
| 14:30:44 | [Saint] | It doesn't happen here. |
| 14:31:08 | gbl08ma | [Saint]: but now I started using SVN builds without modifications, and the problem persists (even more often than on my custom builds!) |
| 14:31:13 | [Saint] | And I have 5(? I think) Nano2G to choose from. |
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| 14:31:32 | gbl08ma | [Saint]: basically I need to use Apple's bootloader disk mode to access my iPod. |
| 14:32:00 | JdGordon | [Saint]: well it could then replace the catalog completly |
| 14:32:17 | gbl08ma | [Saint]: I just connected it through USB while pressing the rewind button to enter charging mode, hang again... |
| 14:32:17 | [Saint] | JdGordon: That would be a flamewar. |
| 14:32:22 | [Saint] | Which would not be pretty. |
| 14:32:27 | JdGordon | ok, maybe not :) |
| 14:32:29 | [Saint] | "DONT FORCE ME TO USE THE DB!" |
| 14:32:34 | JdGordon | lua script to copy files to the catalog |
| 14:32:42 | [Saint] | (some would say, not I, but some :)) |
| 14:33:00 | AlexP | I would say that |
| 14:33:22 | AlexP | Having to use the db to be able to use playlists would be a major step back |
| 14:33:24 | gbl08ma | "Don't force me to use lua scripts!" :) since that non-working contacts script I wrote in lua, I kind of started hating Lua scripting... |
| 14:33:32 | * | [Saint] nods. I knew it would cause problems. Expecting anyone to *have* to use the DB is a huge contention point. |
| 14:33:44 | [Saint] | I agree also, it shouldn't be needed, even though I use it personally. |
| 14:33:48 | AlexP | JdGordon: OK, there is a setting called Load Last Bookmark. If I set it to yes, play a song and create a bookmark somewhere in that song, then next time I select the song it should start playback at the bookmark point. This works if I select the song in the filebrowser, but not if I select the song from a playlist |
| 14:34:48 | JdGordon | errrm |
| 14:34:50 | AlexP | If I bookmark in a playlist catalogue playlist, where does the bookmark file end up |
| 14:35:00 | JdGordon | dunno :) |
| 14:35:15 | AlexP | As it says created but I can't find it :) |
| 14:35:40 | AlexP | ah, it ends up in the playlists directory |
| 14:35:54 | gbl08ma | [Saint]: the only way my iPod doesn't hang when charging, is when I'm using a dock. when using the dock, Rockbox doesn't recognize it is charging, although actually the battery charges. |
| 14:35:54 | AlexP | So yeah, normally that setting works on whole playlists |
| 14:36:38 | AlexP | I listen to a playlist, create a bookmark, and then next time I start the playlist if I use that setting it should restart the playlist where it was bookmarked |
| 14:36:58 | AlexP | but it doesn't :) |
| 14:37:18 | AlexP | I suspect this is a side effect of viewing the playlist then selecting a song within it |
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| 14:58:22 | JdGordon | AlexP: doesnt bookmrks only work for dirplay? |
| 14:58:43 | AlexP | JdGordon: It may well do, I'm not sure |
| 14:58:56 | AlexP | I only tend to play dirs, so that's the only experience I have |
| 14:59:06 | AlexP | I'll try again without the patch in a bit |
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| 15:00:06 | JdGordon | thanks |
| 15:07:07 | AlexP | JdGordon: No, it seems to work with SVN. I created a playlist with songs from different directories, played it then created a bookmark - the bookmark file ended up in /playlists as with the patch |
| 15:07:22 | AlexP | When I then clicked on the playlist again it started at the point of the bookmark |
| 15:08:53 | AlexP | I guess with the patch it is because you start a specific file within a playlist, and not the playlist itself? |
| 15:09:02 | JdGordon | yeah, probably |
| 15:09:47 | JdGordon | how about I get it to check if a bookmark exists and if so ask if you want to resume it? |
| 15:10:30 | JdGordon | or autoresume it and view the playlist instead of going to wps? |
| 15:10:41 | AlexP | The current setting for Load Last Bookmark has no, ask and yes - it should probably just respect that |
| 15:11:02 | AlexP | It is difficult to think how to do it while keeping the behaviour of viewing the playlist on click |
| 15:11:30 | JdGordon | ok |
| 15:11:33 | AlexP | Maybe we need a setting for what to do with a playlist, resume or view |
| 15:11:38 | * | JdGordon checks to see how difficult this will be |
| 15:11:39 | AlexP | But then that is another setting :/ |
| 15:11:57 | AlexP | And if resume then it respects the Load Last Bookmark setting |
| 15:12:44 | AlexP | well, not resume but play |
| 15:14:39 | JdGordon | AlexP: please try http://pastebin.com/mtENubez |
| 15:16:27 | AlexP | OK |
| 15:17:05 | * | JdGordon needs to work out how "warn on playlist erase" and "party mode" work here also |
| 15:18:27 | AlexP | JdGordon: On top of the other patch I guess? |
| 15:18:38 | AlexP | JdGordon: In which case, it doesn't build :) http://pastebin.com/TQt1pkGH |
| 15:18:39 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 15:19:29 | JdGordon | woops, change pathname to buf |
| 15:19:32 | AlexP | OK |
| 15:20:20 | JdGordon | and I tihnk I'll make it so you can load m3u's in view only mode if "warn on erase" is true or party mode is on |
| 15:21:00 | AlexP | hmmm, not sure there |
| 15:21:31 | AlexP | I wouldn't immediately connect either of those two to viewing not playlist the playlist |
| 15:23:29 | JdGordon | yeah, its ok, realised it is simple to put those splashes in when starting a track |
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| 15:26:00 | AlexP | JdGordon: That patch doesn't seem to have changed anything :) |
| 15:27:12 | JdGordon | damn, ok, i'll have to get it going myself then :p |
| 15:29:45 | JdGordon | [Saint]: we really have to get your cabbie into svn |
| 15:29:51 | JdGordon | svn's version is yck! |
| 15:32:57 | JdGordon | how do you create the bookmark? just press stop with the "bookmark on stop" setting set to yes? |
| 15:33:09 | AlexP | Or context menu in the wps |
| 15:41:08 | JdGordon | aaaand fixed :) |
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| 15:43:03 | * | JdGordon feels confident about commting this before the weekend |
| 15:51:23 | [Saint] | JdGordon: How are you finding my new cabbie variant, btw?You said you'd dislike the tabs missing...still miss them? |
| 15:52:15 | JdGordon | I havnt actually used it recently.. just strugling with svn's version on sdl with my testing |
| 15:52:25 | JdGordon | missing the menu button is driving me insane |
| 15:52:26 | [Saint] | Ah. |
| 15:52:44 | [Saint] | use the physical menu button on your phone! |
| 15:52:47 | [Saint] | drongo ;) |
| 15:52:57 | JdGordon | sdl... |
| 15:53:12 | [Saint] | Ah...right, nvm me, I'm insane. |
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| 16:03:51 | JdGordon | everyone happy with all.m3u8 instead of root.m3u8? |
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| 16:06:41 | gbl08ma | I guess all.m3u8 is even more obvious for less experienced users, so it's better... |
| 16:08:24 | gbl08ma | not everyone knows what the "root folder" is, for example. |
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| 16:09:12 | Barracuda72 | Hi 2 all |
| 16:09:28 | saratoga_ | drezon: yes we're interested in a new resampler, no assembly isn't required to work on one |
| 16:09:33 | saratoga_ | other people can help with that |
| 16:09:56 | wodz | Barracuda72: how is your work with ADC? |
| 16:10:01 | saratoga_ | if you're interested in this, i have a very nice paper showing the SNR vs. number of MACs required for a couple dozen different algorithms |
| 16:10:10 | Barracuda72 | wodz: Hi |
| 16:10:49 | gbl08ma | I just applied the piezo patch [Saint] and I talked about yesterday... gcc make doesn't seem to detect the changes I make to piezo.c... I have to make clean & make every time I want to test a change. |
| 16:11:09 | Barracuda72 | I didn't worked on it. It seems to work fine, but channels are in reverse order compared by OF |
| 16:13:32 | Barracuda72 | I'm played with NAND and now I can read data from it. It works fine, but there is some trouble with error correction - it must be done purely in software, but I didn't now the way OF did it |
| 16:15:30 | Barracuda72 | *know |
| 16:16:14 | drezon | Barracuda72: ecc in software isn't easy, I'd guess |
| 16:17:16 | wodz | Barracuda72: error correction is done in hardware |
| 16:17:22 | Barracuda72 | Yes. In theory, we can forgot about that and use our own, but then we must forgot about OF |
| 16:18:01 | Barracuda72 | No. For NOR in hardware, for NAND in software |
| 16:18:45 | wodz | Barracuda72: nand controller has settings to check for errors |
| 16:18:55 | wodz | OF driver uses it |
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| 16:19:13 | drezon | saratoga_: yes, that paper would be interesting to read, although I have resampling already implemented (by scaling the sincs of the reconstruction low-pass, shifting and adding them) |
| 16:19:43 | Barracuda72 | Each page has some additional bytes for that |
| 16:20:44 | wodz | Barracuda72: anyway nand driver is easy - the hard part is FTL |
| 16:20:48 | drezon | saratoga_: but the code I wrote (some time ago) uses floats. So first step would be to change to fixed-point. |
| 16:21:06 | Barracuda72 | Maybe, I didn't dig so deeply. But software check used too |
| 16:21:32 | Barracuda72 | What's the FTL? |
| 16:22:05 | wodz | flash transition layer |
| 16:22:33 | Barracuda72 | Ok. That's it used for? |
| 16:23:08 | wodz | it basicaly makes nand flash to look like pure block device to the upper layer. |
| 16:23:36 | wodz | It means it handles block scattering, block substitution and so on |
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| 16:24:57 | saratoga_ | drezon: ok i'll try adn track down the paper when i get to work |
| 16:25:25 | saratoga_ | if you're interested, whatever algorithm you have might be acceptable even if its not optimal, so long as its better then what we have now for some devices |
| 16:25:33 | saratoga_ | but yes fixed point is a must |
| 16:26:28 | Barracuda72 | Hm. I didn't imagine it very good, but maybe it's already done - I made some corrections to Rockbox driver ata_nand, and can read blocks from flash. Is it that we need? |
| 16:26:43 | wodz | nop |
| 16:26:58 | wodz | you read raw blocks, that's not enough |
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| 16:30:03 | Barracuda72 | Hm... I can't understand, that we need else =) we can read every block we need, in every order. We can read several blocks... Driver has the ability to map out " |
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| 16:30:09 | Barracuda72 | Bad blocks |
| 16:30:12 | Barracuda72 | " |
| 16:30:28 | wodz | Barracuda72: if you are curious - in SDK there is dir Library/ARM and there is fs_arm_lib.lib ar archive. Inside you will find very interesting object files. Look at FTL.o to understand the problem. |
| 16:30:50 | wodz | Barracuda72: You don't get this. Read about FTL. |
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| 16:32:02 | Barracuda72 | I have disassembled them =) but haven't looked too deeply |
| 16:32:13 | wodz | Barracuda72: Basicaly you can read a block but You don't know what is the relation between raw block and fat block |
| 16:33:22 | saratoga_ | wodz: so this is a normal FTL system, or something different? |
| 16:33:50 | wodz | saratoga: normal FTL but we don't know the details about implementation |
| 16:33:54 | saratoga_ | ah ok |
| 16:34:06 | saratoga_ | from above it sounded like the hardware was handling part of it like in SD |
| 16:34:16 | wodz | object file + headers is all we have |
| 16:34:44 | wodz | saratoga_: hardware is handling ecc checks |
| 16:34:48 | JdGordon | can someone start a dirplay and save the playlist from the wps context menu and tell me what the filename it prefills is please? |
| 16:34:53 | JdGordon | with svn... |
| 16:35:08 | saratoga_ | wodz: sounds like fun then |
| 16:35:30 | wodz | saratoga_: sort of :-) |
| 16:37:16 | Barracuda72 | Or, I understand you |
| 16:37:56 | Barracuda72 | We can't guarantee, that blocks on flash is in linear order, right? |
| 16:38:09 | drezon | sarratoga_: it's much better than linear interpolation. It's probably not optimal, though. It uses a hamming-windowed sinc with 14 zero crossings and takes 15 samples into account to calculate what the reconstruction low-pass would output at time t |
| 16:38:54 | wodz | Barracuda72: they are definitely not in linear order, moreover this order may change dynamicaly. |
| 16:38:59 | Barracuda72 | Because OF uses ftl to improve performance |
| 16:39:23 | JdGordon | AlexP: I have all playlists except dirplay lists saving in the catalog now... im wondering what to do about dirplay.. they currently save in /path/to/folder/subfolder.m3u8 |
| 16:39:31 | drezon | And does waer-leveling |
| 16:39:31 | wodz | Barracuda72: OF uses ftl to improve lifetime of the nand. |
| 16:39:38 | drezon | wear |
| 16:39:41 | JdGordon | do i make it /catalog/subfolder.m3u8? |
| 16:41:23 | Barracuda72 | Short googling say that FTL is patented technology |
| 16:41:47 | Barracuda72 | Is it ok to implement in free software? |
| 16:42:12 | wodz | implementation is patented not the concept |
| 16:42:28 | gevaerts | You don't use an FTL to improve lifetime or performance. You use an FTL if you want a block device interface on flash that works at all |
| 16:42:31 | Barracuda72 | Ok |
| 16:43:06 | Barracuda72 | But then there may be already done implementation |
| 16:43:24 | Barracuda72 | Somethere =) |
| 16:43:36 | wodz | unlikely |
| 16:44:02 | gevaerts | No two vendors use the same FTL |
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| 16:44:29 | wodz | no vendor is using the same FTL in two products :-) |
| 16:44:45 | gevaerts | That too :) |
| 16:45:37 | wodz | Barracuda72: You may look for linux sources for Archos tablets based on rk28xx - It uses newer version of rk FTL but it helps to get concept |
| 16:46:19 | Barracuda72 | So ok. I have no time now, I will try to upload what I've done tomorrow |
| 16:46:34 | wodz | sure |
| 16:46:41 | Barracuda72 | Ok, thanks=) |
| 16:47:09 | Barracuda72 | Is it in regular kernel sources? |
| 16:47:24 | Barracuda72 | Or in separate place? |
| 16:47:56 | wodz | you have to google for it. It was released by Archos |
| 16:48:05 | Barracuda72 | Ok |
| 16:48:11 | wodz | it is patched to support android rk28xx tablets |
| 16:48:45 | wodz | Barracuda72: If you will have problems to find it ping me, I have a copy |
| 16:51:15 | Barracuda72 | Yes, thanks. I'm go away from my PC for about week, but tomorrow I'll be on work from Windoze PC. Will try to search |
| 16:52:15 | Barracuda72 | See you later =) |
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| 17:04:47 | Llorean | JdGordon: What is this in your patch about renaming root.m3u8? Is it that if you "create playlists" in the root folder, it creates the playlist somewhere else instead? |
| 17:05:30 | [Saint] | Llorean: It puts all playlists in the playlist catalogue, as (IMO) it should. |
| 17:05:44 | [Saint] | root.m3u isn't a sane naming scheme for this. |
| 17:06:01 | Llorean | [Saint]: root.m3u8 may not be a sane name, but now it becomes impossible for us *not* to use the playlist catalog? |
| 17:06:16 | Llorean | What about those of us who like keeping playlists on, say, the memory card with the songs because we move it between devices? |
| 17:06:20 | [Saint] | Yes, it does...but why is that an issue? |
| 17:06:40 | [Saint] | you just need to go to a different place to move it now. |
| 17:06:51 | Llorean | Move the physical memory card? |
| 17:06:56 | [Saint] | not a big deal IMO, but bring it up on the ML if it is for you. |
| 17:07:11 | Llorean | The playlists are on internal memory, the songs on the memory card. I can no longer just unplug the card, or insert the card. |
| 17:07:19 | [Saint] | No, move the playlist out of the playlist catalogue. |
| 17:07:34 | [Saint] | you're not obligated to keep them there. |
| 17:07:58 | Llorean | Yeah, but the old functionality meant that the playlists were actually created alongside the files they contained. |
| 17:08:34 | Llorean | Wouldn't it make sense that the default path for playlists saved via the "insert" methodology was the catalog, but the other method stayed 'local'? |
| 17:08:59 | Llorean | That makes it easier to save in both places, without cutting away some actually used functionality. |
| 17:10:06 | [Saint] | I don't see it as a big deal myself, as long as paths are relative, I expect (personally) that all created playlists end up in the playlist catalogue. Previously the playlist catalogue was basically useless. |
| 17:10:25 | Llorean | Why was it useless? |
| 17:10:40 | [Saint] | you either had to put the playlists there manually, or point to the catalogue in the config.cfg |
| 17:10:54 | [Saint] | now it "just works" |
| 17:11:11 | Llorean | By breaking existing functionality |
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| 17:11:22 | Llorean | That is now how changes should be made. If it needs to "just work" it should just work alongside what can already be done. |
| 17:11:30 | Llorean | *not how |
| 17:11:45 | [Saint] | well, you're the only one that's complained thusfar. |
| 17:11:52 | [Saint] | bring it up on the tracker/ML |
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| 17:14:24 | Llorean | [Saint]: I get that you don't see it as a big deal, but just because you don't use it doesn't mean it's not really worth considering. Rockbox has been doing playlists they way it does for literally years without any significant complaints. Removing the ability. |
| 17:14:32 | Llorean | Some of the behaviours added to the patch weren't in the initial description |
| 17:15:38 | [Saint] | Whoever said I didn't think its worth considering? don't assume that, please. |
| 17:15:38 | Llorean | I looked at the original description a while ago, thought 'eh, nothing that bothers me here' and didn't realize that he was going to change other stuff as well with the patch |
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| 17:15:38 | [Saint] | I've said twice now you should bring it up on the tracker/ML. |
| 17:15:38 | Llorean | [Saint]: You said you think it's not a big deal. |
| 17:15:38 | [Saint] | I can't do anything about it personally. |
| 17:15:38 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK [Saint] |
| 17:15:38 | [Saint] | I said its not a big deal IMO, not that its not worth considering. |
| 17:15:41 | [Saint] | that's putting words in my mouth |
| 17:15:48 | Llorean | I said "not really worth considering" |
| 17:15:53 | [Saint] | ...and, I *really* hate that. |
| 17:16:09 | Llorean | And you can fuck me. You've tried to put words into my mouth dozens of times, and are even doing so here by changing what I said. |
| 17:16:17 | Llorean | Don't pull that card when you do it all the time. |
| 17:16:30 | Llorean | Including now. |
| 17:16:44 | [Saint] | Piss off if you're going to be a dick about it. There's no point arguing with me about it. |
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| 17:17:37 | Llorean | Apologize for getting what I said wrong, perhaps? I said about you that you don't see it as a big deal (which is literally true) and that suggests to me you think it's "not really worth considering" (the context of your responses suggests this) |
| 17:17:46 | Llorean | I never said that you *said* "it's not worth considering" |
| 17:17:51 | Llorean | And I think that's pretty clear. |
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| 17:18:15 | Llorean | I'll be a dick every time you pull the "don't put words in my mouth" card considering our history until you show some sign of not doing the same. |
| 17:18:26 | Llorean | And that starts with apologizing now for literally and explicitly doing so. |
| 17:18:56 | Llorean | I'll even apologizing for misunderstanding your intent here - I thought by "It's not really a big deal" you meant that it really wasn't a significant consideration. |
| 17:19:01 | [Saint] | I didn't ask for an apology I know I wont get, nor do I care for one. I just dislike that you seem to think I'm being negative about this, and then you completely blew up in a perfectly rational (until your outburst) conversation. I don't wish to continue it if you're going to do that. |
| 17:19:02 | Llorean | I'm sorry for misreading that. What did you mean? |
| 17:19:23 | Llorean | [Saint]: The conversation loses rationality when you make bullshit claims about words in your mouth. |
| 17:19:48 | Llorean | You know I didn't say you said that. I said you said exactly what you actually said, then expounded on what I thought the meaning of the statement was. I just apologized for that. |
| 17:20:03 | Llorean | I misunderstood the meaning. |
| 17:20:31 | [Saint] | And then flew off the handle instead of clarifying. |
| 17:20:37 | Llorean | Considering the fact you've put words in my mouth dozens of times in far more severe contexts, I found it startlingly irrational that you'd have a problem with a rather minor case of it. |
| 17:20:53 | Llorean | Especially since you've never once apologized, and are working around doing so now even when it's more clear. |
| 17:21:03 | Llorean | Or can you quote where I said what you claim I said? |
| 17:21:27 | [Saint] | Just...stop. Breath. Go for a walk or something. |
| 17:21:30 | Llorean | See. |
| 17:21:48 | Llorean | No apology. Not once, ever. And you wonder why I blow up at you so quickly these days. |
| 17:22:09 | Llorean | You admit you're an asshole, seem to take pride in it, then get shocked when someone assumes you're just being one for the sake of it now. |
| 17:22:27 | [Saint] | Just stop, really. |
| 17:22:56 | Llorean | Why should I, exactly? I've apologized, I'm just asking for you to do something slightly decent and apologize in return. |
| 17:23:06 | Llorean | You put words in my mouth that I definitely didn't say. |
| 17:23:16 | Llorean | You agree that's something we shouldn't do, since you took offense at it as well. |
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| 17:30:55 | AlexP | Llorean: I agree about not putting all playlists into /playlists - when I suggested that root.m3u (or all.m3u, or whatever) should go there, I meant when it is created from the context menu accessed from the main menu item Playlists |
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| 17:32:32 | Llorean | AlexP: To me there needs to be an easy way to direct a playlist to catalog vs 'local.' I'm not sure what it should be, but feel local playlists are still rather important with removable storage. |
| 17:32:45 | AlexP | Yes, I agree |
| 17:34:03 | AlexP | I think we could do with a reworking of the playlist options - default storage could be a setting as "Playlist catalogue" or "Local (with a better name)" and then some way to set the playlist catalogue directory too |
| 17:34:43 | Llorean | Yes. That would work for me just fine |
| 17:34:57 | Llorean | I expect that people who want local playlists probably don't use the catalog anyway. |
| 17:35:04 | AlexP | yeah |
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| 17:35:27 | AlexP | You have to make a choice which you want most of the time, and then on the other occasion move it |
| 17:35:50 | Llorean | Exactly |
| 17:36:04 | Llorean | Though I don't quite see how the playlist catalog couldn't do something like just index m3u8 files by way of dircache or something? |
| 17:36:22 | AlexP | Well that's getting into it being part of the database |
| 17:36:59 | Llorean | I dunno. I don't think it needs to go that far. |
| 17:37:10 | AlexP | Maybe |
| 17:37:19 | AlexP | I don't know how it'd be implemented |
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| 17:38:28 | Llorean | AlexP: How long would it take to walk dircache for files with one of two extensions, I wonder? |
| 17:38:43 | AlexP | No idea, but not too long I guess |
| 17:39:26 | Llorean | I was imagining something more or less like that. Though we still haven't gotten dircache to always-on, and it's still not available on some targets, so I guess that's not ideal either. |
| 17:39:56 | AlexP | Yeah |
| 17:40:28 | AlexP | I find it slightly odd as well that when you use e.g. WPS context menu you get both "playlist" and "playlist catalogue" options |
| 17:40:43 | AlexP | It would be good to try to find a way to combine them |
| 17:40:54 | Llorean | I mean to my mind, the ideal would be that playlists can be anywhere, but the catalog will show them and 'just work.' I don't think there should be a distinction between playlist catalog and playlists in general. |
| 17:40:59 | Llorean | Which is what this patch is addressing, which is good |
| 17:41:05 | AlexP | Then maybe we could have a "save to catalogue" and a "save as..." or something |
| 17:41:19 | Llorean | I just also like to be able to keep my playlists on my microSD since it's useful in my phone, and like four daps. Useful if I'm not going to get to charge for a while. |
| 17:42:39 | AlexP | What about combining playlist + playlist catalogue with two save options? |
| 17:43:00 | Llorean | As long as it prompted me when I did "Create Playlist" to allow me to save locally, I'm happy |
| 17:43:12 | Llorean | I just don't want to have to dig into playlist catalog and copy and paste the playlist file onto the sd card every time I generate one |
| 17:43:21 | AlexP | hmm, yeah, you can save from multiple places |
| 17:43:31 | AlexP | So I think we do need the option |
| 17:44:02 | AlexP | Without playlist catalogue is not user friendly really, as it isn't obvious how to save things to it |
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| 17:44:37 | AlexP | You can do context menu on e.g. a dir, then playlist catalogue, then add to new etc. |
| 17:45:17 | AlexP | Maybe the only thing that is needed is a setting for "Default playlist location" that lets you set either a dir (which is also the playlist catalogue) or to chose local |
| 17:45:40 | Llorean | I think that'd really be enough |
| 17:45:45 | AlexP | Creating the root playlist is a bit of a special case |
| 17:46:26 | Llorean | A setting between prefilling the save path with /playlists and "wherever the file browser is" |
| 17:46:58 | Llorean | That would then allow manual playlists as well as automatic ones to be stored how one wished somewhat easily |
| 17:47:28 | [Saint] | AlexP: With the .WPS context menu, perhaps it might make sense to just have a "Playlist" entry, with sub entries. Should be relatively easy to achieve. |
| 17:47:57 | AlexP | [Saint]: Yes, I think splitting playlist and playlist catalogue make it not always obvious which you want |
| 17:48:06 | * | [Saint] nods. |
| 17:48:47 | AlexP | Llorean: Yep, and you can set the playlists dir either there (if good wording can be found) or in an additional setting |
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| 17:50:36 | [Saint] | If I get creative later this evening, I might look at cleaning up the .WPS context menu by way of placing playlist related things under the one "Playlist" heading. |
| 17:50:41 | [Saint] | Sounds acceptable? |
| 17:50:56 | AlexP | yeah, a potential layout would be good |
| 17:51:11 | AlexP | It is all just a little confusing at the moment, and pictures always help |
| 17:51:59 | [Saint] | I'll make a pastebin shortly of how I think it might be beneficially laid out, and it can be adjusted by those that care to do so in the pastebin and I'll go from there. |
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| 18:19:41 | wodz | bertrik: (for logs) I bought mine noname rk27xx target for ~40euro. You can find a bit cheaper one however. |
| 18:21:30 | bertrik | wodz, which one exactly did you buy? |
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| 18:23:40 | wodz | bertrik: it has no markings at all :-) no vendor, no model type nothing. |
| 18:24:32 | wodz | bertrik: the safe choice is ramos rm970 which is known to be stright reference design around rk2706 |
| 18:26:33 | bertrik | wodz, ok, I'll look out for that one |
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| 18:36:33 | sickan | does rockbox work on sandisk sansa fuze+ or only on the regular fuze? |
| 18:37:59 | gevaerts | Only the fuzev2 and the fuzev2, *not* the fuze+ (which is entirely different hardware) |
| 18:41:50 | pamaury | the fuze+ port is in progress |
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| 19:16:46 | Cimex | Hiya, I was just wondering how W7 x64 support is. Latest intel on website states that a Vista port is coming. Any opinion, like, does it work properly with an ipod mini and W7 x64? |
| 19:18:00 | saratoga | Cimex: ? |
| 19:18:16 | AlexP | Cimex: What channel do you think you are in? |
| 19:18:56 | Cimex | Uh, the official Rockbox IRC? |
| 19:19:10 | saratoga | then what do you think rockbox is ;) |
| 19:19:11 | AlexP | So what does windows have anything to do with it? |
| 19:19:19 | AlexP | fs-bluebot: .explain rockbox |
| 19:19:19 | fs-bluebot | rockbox: Rockbox is an open source firmware for mp3 players, written from scratch. Rockbox is not Linux. |
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| 19:21:05 | Llorean | Cimex: The point they're trying to make, I think, is that Rockbox doesn't really support any operating systems. It is one (plus a bit) for MP3 players, so what you're trying to ask is a bit unclear. |
| 19:22:11 | Cimex | Okay, I found this line at the installer download that bugged me: "Windows Vista is currently only slightly tested due to the lack of a test setup and might have additional issues." |
| 19:22:24 | AlexP | You are talking about Rockbox Utility then? |
| 19:22:31 | AlexP | anyway, it is fine |
| 19:23:28 | Cimex | Alright, thanks. |
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| 19:37:25 | * | kugel wonders if FS #12192 is any interesting |
| 19:40:10 | kugel | why does fs-bluebot query me?? |
| 19:40:30 | bluebrother | kugel: because there is a bug responding to actions mentioning a FS number |
| 19:40:43 | kugel | oh ok |
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| 19:42:28 | bluebrother | I'll try to give that a look later tonight. |
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| 20:15:58 | * | bluebrother looks at FS #10694 and wonders if that could still considered a bug given that autodetection now boldens the detected player |
| 20:16:00 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10694 Audio player selection is not visible while window is out of focus (bugs, new) |
| 20:16:07 | bluebrother | ok, works :) |
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| 20:29:08 | * | [Saint] was unaware of bluebots .explain feature |
| 20:29:09 | [Saint] | nice. |
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| 20:29:24 | [Saint] | what are the other (if any) categories it can explain? |
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| 20:35:10 | pixelma | IIRC that's something logbot already could do |
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| 20:37:07 | pixelma | and people with some higher level priority were allowed to add definitions (most devs etc. but I *believe* that's a list manually maintained by Zagor and Bagder or so |
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| 20:38:35 | [Saint] | pixelma: thanks, do you happen to know what's already on said list? |
| 20:38:37 | * | bluebrother never understood the interface of logbot :) |
| 20:38:57 | [Saint] | Its very useful, and I have never seen it before used by either fs-bluebot or logbot |
| 20:41:12 | pixelma | beer CrossCompiler custom install logbot manual MoB movies newport OF OT rtfm wiki |
| 20:41:30 | pixelma | logbot: explain beer |
| 20:41:42 | bluebrother | pixelma: you need to use .explain |
| 20:41:51 | bluebrother | (i.e. add a . before the explain) |
| 20:42:51 | pixelma | I think I remember now the downside of this - you don't get the answer as a usual channel statement but as a notification or something |
| 20:43:18 | bluebrother | for logbot? |
| 20:43:36 | pixelma | not very obvious... yes, when you use logbot |
| 20:44:00 | bluebrother | ah, ok. |
| 20:44:17 | bluebrother | as for fs-bluebot you need to (a) hilight the bot and (b) use .explain to trigger it. |
| 20:44:24 | [Saint] | fs-bluebot: .explain manual |
| 20:44:25 | fs-bluebot | manual: The Rockbox Manual: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 20:44:32 | [Saint] | Hmmm, nice. |
| 20:45:40 | bluebrother | if you have a rockbox cloak you can query the bot directly. Should be enough to avoid spam. If not I need to add more identification means. |
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| 20:49:31 | AlexP | bluebrother: It'd be nice to be able to get the bot to respond to people, as in "fs-bluebot: .explain rockbox bluebrother" and the reply is directed at you :) |
| 20:50:04 | bluebrother | AlexP: why to me? I already know all explanations ;-) |
| 20:50:11 | pamaury | fs-bluebot: .explain evilnick |
| 20:50:11 | fs-bluebot | I don't know about evilnick |
| 20:50:35 | AlexP | bluebrother: hehe :) |
| 20:51:09 | AlexP | bluebrother: How do we find out what it knows, and can we teach it new stuff? |
| 20:51:23 | bluebrother | AlexP: query it, and try .help :) |
| 20:51:54 | pamaury | fs-bluebot: .help |
| 20:52:16 | pamaury | fs-bluebot: .explain bot |
| 20:52:16 | fs-bluebot | I don't know about bot |
| 20:52:19 | bluebrother | pamaury: you need to do that in a private chat |
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| 20:53:52 | * | bluebrother wonders about all those timeout disconnects lately |
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| 20:54:34 | pamaury | fs-bluebot: .explain evilnick |
| 20:54:34 | fs-bluebot | evilnick: An intelligent, supposedly human like, life form |
| 20:54:39 | pamaury | \o/ |
| 20:55:22 | CIA-14 | New commit by kugel (r30155): Introduce bsearch() and use it in tagtree.c. ... |
| 20:55:25 | kugel | ffs |
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| 20:55:28 | kugel | wrong branch |
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| 20:55:51 | pamaury | fs-bluebot: .explain kugel |
| 20:55:51 | fs-bluebot | I don't know about kugel |
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| 20:56:31 | CIA-14 | New commit by kugel (r30156): Android: Fix sporadic force closes. ... |
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| 20:57:16 | AlexP | bluebrother: Is .explain item supposed to work in a query? |
| 20:57:51 | CIA-14 | New commit by kugel (r30157): Revert "Introduce bsearch() and use it in tagtree.c." ... |
| 20:57:54 | bluebrother | AlexP: yes |
| 20:58:02 | pamaury | fs-bluebot: .explain vim |
| 20:58:03 | fs-bluebot | I don't know about vim |
| 20:58:03 | bluebrother | but the syntax is slightly different. |
| 20:58:05 | pamaury | fs-bluebot: .explain emacs |
| 20:58:05 | fs-bluebot | I don't know about emacs |
| 20:58:08 | kugel | commit_count += 3 |
| 20:58:14 | pamaury | those are clearly missing ! |
| 20:58:20 | AlexP | bluebrother: ah, what is it? |
| 20:58:26 | CIA-14 | r30155 build result: All green |
| 20:58:30 | * | AlexP adds bot-abuse for pamaury :) |
| 20:58:40 | bluebrother | AlexP: tried .help? ;-) |
| 20:58:58 | AlexP | yes |
| 20:59:06 | pamaury | I haven't abuse the bot .... |
| 20:59:07 | pamaury | yet !!!! |
| 20:59:30 | AlexP | bluebrother: I don't see how to get it to tell me one item |
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| 20:59:45 | bluebrother | AlexP: ah, that is wrong in the help text. Try .excuse show |
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| 21:00:40 | AlexP | bluebrother: I don't get it - I just want e.g. ".explain rockbox" but in a query |
| 21:00:58 | bluebrother | AlexP: /query fs-bluebot .explain show rockbox |
| 21:01:05 | AlexP | ah, thanks |
| 21:01:06 | bluebrother | or do you want to direct it to the channel? |
| 21:01:11 | AlexP | no, just that |
| 21:01:20 | AlexP | The help text doesn't tell me to add show :) |
| 21:01:24 | * | bluebrother needs to fix that help text |
| 21:01:48 | CIA-14 | r30157 build result: All green |
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| 21:03:52 | kugel | bluebrother: what's about your various android related patches? |
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| 21:05:18 | AlexP | bluebrother: Also, if I do .explain list it tells me there are 28 items, but only lists about half before stopping :) |
| 21:05:38 | bluebrother | AlexP: hmm, looks like that's the old issue of the response being sent too fast :( |
| 21:06:33 | bluebrother | kugel: I've committed most of them. Resources on SD is still waiting, but that's it (at least for what's left in my tree) |
| 21:06:55 | kugel | ok |
| 21:07:03 | kugel | I think themes should probably be on the sdcard |
| 21:07:13 | kugel | but I'm not sure about other stuff, like codepages? |
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| 21:07:53 | bluebrother | AlexP: it could also be caused by multiple people trying to chat with the bot. Not sure how exactly irclib handles new data when it's still processing old |
| 21:08:41 | AlexP | bluebrother: I'm dying to know what is after ogg, I've never got beyond that an it usually stops earlier :) |
| 21:08:42 | kugel | concurrent irc messaging! |
| 21:08:46 | bluebrother | maybe I need to decrease the processing timeout |
| 21:09:51 | * | [Saint] would really like to see the resources on uSD patch go into svn |
| 21:10:06 | [Saint] | for 240x320, it makes a HUGE difference in installed size. |
| 21:10:13 | bluebrother | seems it really isn't that good at answering to multiple people at once |
| 21:10:38 | bluebrother | [Saint]: honestly, IMO all themes but cabbie shouldn't be packaged with the apk anyway |
| 21:10:54 | * | Llorean agrees that far. |
| 21:11:03 | AlexP | bluebrother: Same as for all targets IMO |
| 21:11:05 | [Saint] | though, that huge difference could be reduced my actually dropping the packaged themes as intended for so very very long now. |
| 21:11:10 | [Saint] | oh, heh...snap. |
| 21:11:16 | Llorean | I'm somewhat indifferent about whether resources should go on the microSD or not. Part of me dislikes the idea of the app not working right if the SD isn't present. |
| 21:11:24 | kugel | bluebrother: we have agreed on that countless times already |
| 21:11:24 | [Saint] | iirc, the dude that was doing the transition finished uploading all themes. |
| 21:11:32 | kugel | nobody does the final step |
| 21:11:35 | AlexP | Didn't we get all svn themes onto the themesite? |
| 21:11:35 | bluebrother | AlexP: well, for the "normal" targets it's not that much of a problem since it doesn't eat up valuable internal memory |
| 21:11:42 | [Saint] | so, they can be carved out of SVN whenever, as I understand. |
| 21:11:51 | bluebrother | AlexP: even if not we could still retrieve old versions from svn |
| 21:11:51 | [Saint] | AlexP: Yeppers. |
| 21:11:53 | AlexP | bluebrother: No, but it just isn't necessary, so we might as well remove them for all |
| 21:12:00 | * | bluebrother will go remove them if nobody objects |
| 21:12:04 | AlexP | Go for it |
| 21:12:07 | [Saint] | go for it ;) |
| 21:12:10 | AlexP | I think it's been agreed for ages |
| 21:12:22 | [Saint] | It has, but it needed to be finished. |
| 21:12:25 | kugel | many years ago iirc :) |
| 21:12:29 | [Saint] | there were ~4 or so themes missing |
| 21:12:35 | bluebrother | so basically I'm going to remove anything but cabbiev2 from wps/ |
| 21:12:46 | [Saint] | but the dude popped in a while ago and said he'd finished. |
| 21:12:52 | [Saint] | if not, there's always svn. |
| 21:12:55 | AlexP | well, if it isn't finished nobody is going to do it, and if anyoen reallyh objects we can get it from old svn |
| 21:13:05 | AlexP | bluebrother: Sounds good |
| 21:15:16 | [Saint] | /wps needs a .nomedia file so we don't get wps graphics in the gallery |
| 21:15:31 | [Saint] | (pet peeve of mine) |
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| 21:16:12 | Llorean | Hey, there's a relevant post to this discussion on the rockbox as an app thread right now. |
| 21:16:27 | * | [Saint] looks |
| 21:16:33 | Llorean | Apparently we already have issues if there's not an sdcard folder? |
| 21:16:52 | [Saint] | its expected there is one, yes. |
| 21:17:10 | [Saint] | are there Android devices that *don't*? |
| 21:17:16 | Llorean | Apparently that guy's doesn't. |
| 21:17:27 | bluebrother | that's interesting. |
| 21:17:33 | Llorean | If there's not an sdcard at all, how does "resources on the SD card" handle installation? |
| 21:17:44 | [Saint] | its not in svn. |
| 21:17:51 | Llorean | Yes, but when it goes in. |
| 21:17:52 | Llorean | For example, I have plenty of storage in my phone without a card present, will it handle that smoothly? |
| 21:17:58 | [Saint] | and, it expects there is an sd....as, I thought all devices did. |
| 21:18:02 | Llorean | I also have a tablet that has 3 card slots. |
| 21:18:07 | * | Llorean wonders what it does there. |
| 21:18:20 | Torne | Not all devices even have a functional mount point for one, no |
| 21:18:22 | Torne | THe Xoom, for example |
| 21:18:31 | Torne | which doesn't, currently, have USB mass storage at all |
| 21:18:47 | Llorean | Resources on SD seems like it should either be optional, or deal well with there not being an SD present (within a device where one is optional) |
| 21:19:25 | kugel | bluebrother: I didn't realize the hp plug detection is committed. great |
| 21:19:27 | [Saint] | I guess it needs to be able to check for the presence of /mnt/sdcard/ before it extracts. |
| 21:19:30 | bluebrother | that's this GemX guy |
| 21:19:40 | bluebrother | *Gem5 |
| 21:19:46 | [Saint] | Ah, makes sense. |
| 21:19:55 | [Saint] | that's a dev board, not an actual Android device. |
| 21:19:58 | Llorean | Oh, sorry, the tablet only has 2 card slots. |
| 21:20:01 | bluebrother | so I'm not sure if we can consider that a "real world" problem |
| 21:20:14 | AlexP | The bloody manufacturers should have just put enough storage in in the first place |
| 21:20:14 | [Saint] | bluebrother: correct. Torne found one, though. |
| 21:20:30 | [Saint] | So I guess it *does* need to check for /sdcard or /mnt/sdcard/ |
| 21:20:37 | Torne | and yes, there are devices that have sufficient internal storage that they are reasonably usable without a card |
| 21:20:50 | bluebrother | and while I think it would be good to not rely on /sdcard being present it isn't too bad to assume it's present given the fact that Rockbox on Android is still unstable (or even unusable?) |
| 21:20:52 | Llorean | Mine phone has 3/4 GB of internal storage, plus the SD card slot. |
| 21:21:05 | Torne | and there are devices that don't ahve a card slot, just another flash partition, and while it appears to be mounted in the same place on mine i don't think that's required |
| 21:21:14 | Torne | (there's an android API to ask where the storage card/whatever is) |
| 21:21:23 | Torne | (and thus I suspect the mount points are not intended to be fixed) |
| 21:21:24 | [Saint] | bluebrother: unusable. And, would it be possible to check for a card before extraction? |
| 21:21:29 | Llorean | bluebrother: Would it be possible on first run to ask where things get unpacked / installed to? |
| 21:21:31 | AlexP | Torne: Is that guaranteed to be there? |
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| 21:21:49 | [Saint] | Llorean: not on first run. |
| 21:21:58 | [Saint] | extraction takes place during installation. |
| 21:22:09 | Llorean | [Saint]: What's that progress bar that makes you wait on first run then? |
| 21:22:10 | AlexP | are you sure about that? |
| 21:22:15 | [Saint] | Oh...actually, maybe it could. |
| 21:23:00 | Torne | AlexP: yes |
| 21:23:06 | [Saint] | Yeah, I forgot that takes place after actually selection "open". My bad. |
| 21:23:17 | [Saint] | *selecting |
| 21:23:28 | Torne | AlexP: developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#filesExternal |
| 21:23:29 | bluebrother | Llorean: I was looking into that after devcon but got into some problems (mainly me knowing not enough about Java / Android and missing time) |
| 21:23:29 | AlexP | Torne: So the answer here is not resources on /sdcard/ but resources on $MOUNT_POINT ? |
| 21:23:48 | Torne | AlexP: No, the external storage might just not be mounted at all |
| 21:24:01 | Torne | anyone with a card slot that's empty, for example |
| 21:24:11 | Llorean | I wouldn't mind requiring an SD card temporarily (like we do/did for the D2) but only with an explicit statement that it's not intended to be our final solution. |
| 21:24:15 | AlexP | yes, of course, silly me :) |
| 21:24:22 | Torne | You can always ask about it, but it's not hte OS's fault if the status is always "unavailable" |
| 21:24:33 | bluebrother | the final solution is to use a native UI anyway ;-) |
| 21:24:53 | * | Llorean wouldn't mind native lists, at least. |
| 21:25:20 | Torne | see also isExternalStorageEmulated :) |
| 21:25:29 | Torne | not sure if any devices do that |
| 21:25:36 | Torne | Oh, wait, it's from API 11 |
| 21:25:36 | CIA-14 | New commit by bluebrother (r30158): Remove all themes but Cabbiev2. ... |
| 21:25:41 | Torne | so yeah, the xoom is probably doing it |
| 21:25:44 | [Saint] | Woooo! |
| 21:25:51 | [Saint] | long time coming ;) |
| 21:26:00 | bluebrother | what? |
| 21:26:14 | [Saint] | removing all the themes bar cabbie |
| 21:26:32 | [Saint] | been planned for an age. |
| 21:26:53 | Llorean | I wouldn't object to removing cabbie, honestly, if RBUtil could detect first installs and force a separate download of it in those cases. |
| 21:27:08 | Llorean | But that doesn't apply to non-RBUtil targets, so it's not terribly useful overall yet. |
| 21:27:38 | [Saint] | Yeah, that only works if RbUtil is always used. |
| 21:27:45 | [Saint] | Nice idea, though. |
| 21:28:01 | bluebrother | make Rockbox download the theme itself! |
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| 21:28:32 | [Saint] | didn't someone actually do a patch for RaaA theme downloading? |
| 21:28:36 | Llorean | Someone just needs to make an rbutil app. ;) |
| 21:28:45 | [Saint] | dinonea, iirc |
| 21:28:47 | bluebrother | urgh. |
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| 21:29:08 | Llorean | Or perhaps simply a theme browser / extras downloader app |
| 21:29:13 | bluebrother | nothing broken. Nice :D |
| 21:30:15 | [Saint] | bug report of the future: DancePuffDuo is missing! |
| 21:34:05 | Llorean | [Saint]: "Working as intended. That theme is silly." |
| 21:34:37 | [Saint] | I seem to remember someone here still uses it regularly. |
| 21:34:40 | [Saint] | A developer. |
| 21:34:54 | [Saint] | amiconn perhaps? /shrug/ |
| 21:35:32 | bluebrother | I'm using zezayer on my h100 |
| 21:35:58 | bluebrother | why on earth does svn want to use gnome-keyring, but git-svn doesn't need to unlock that? |
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| 22:04:39 | kugel | bluebrother: what was the reason again for the noisy monitor? |
| 22:04:49 | kugel | (for headphone detection) |
| 22:05:36 | bluebrother | kugel: that event is sent out the moment the headphone is unplugged, while the other only when audio is routed back to the speaker. |
| 22:06:10 | bluebrother | since we have a debouncing in the headphone detection not listening to that event results in a short audible playback via the speakerphone before pause kicks in |
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| 22:09:12 | bluebrother | fs-bluebot: .explain yourself to AlexP |
| 22:09:12 | fs-bluebot | AlexP: yourself: I'm a simple bot to help out with things in #rockbox. |
| 22:09:26 | AlexP | bluebrother: heh, cool :) |
| 22:11:15 | bluebrother | I've also made the explain list somewhat slower. Not really a fix but it works around the problem for me. |
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| 22:14:00 | gbl08ma | Hi everyone again... |
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| 22:14:21 | gbl08ma | Is there any wiki page explaining the functions of fs-bluebot? |
| 22:14:43 | gbl08ma | (I guess one doesn't exist because bluebot is still in development phase...) |
| 22:16:37 | bluebrother | gbl08ma: no, because it's nothing official Rockbox :) |
| 22:16:37 | gbl08ma | however, it does live in Rockbox official IRC channel... |
| 22:16:37 | bluebrother | sure, it has to live somewhere ;-) |
| 22:17:42 | gbl08ma | and is there any list of the functions supported by the bot? something like a page that updates automatically with all the ". explain" definitions available would be nice |
| 22:17:46 | bluebrother | no, and I haven't planned such a thing |
| 22:17:54 | gbl08ma | no problem :) |
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| 22:20:55 | gbl08ma | other thing, is there any documentation on creating a new setting on Rockbox? like what parts of code to edit, how things should be defined... |
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