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#rockbox log for 2011-07-19

00:00:18CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30164): rk27xx - fix (hopefully) adc readings
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00:04:09CIA-14New commit by kugel (r30165): Android: Rework RunForegroundManager (again) ...
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00:06:48CIA-14r30165 build result: All green
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00:15:09[Saint]Torne: ping?
00:16:28[Saint]Some_else_that's_intricately_familiar_with_ipodpatcher: ping?
00:18:28[Saint]Regarding the advanced installation methods using iPodPatcher, it says for method 2 (OSOS Contains Rockbox and the Rockbox Bootloader) "Requires a development build of Rockbox and the bootloader"
00:18:44[Saint]My question is, what constitutes a "development build"?
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00:20:47[Saint]I usually use method 4 (OSOS Contains only Rockbox), because dual-boot isn't important to me...but it is for the GF, so I wanted to do the install via method 2 instead. But now I wonder what a "development build" is.
00:21:00[Saint]Does this just mean a build one has compiled themselves?
00:21:45gevaerts[Saint]: I think it means "requires a newer build than current release at the time of writing"
00:22:05gevaertsWhich probably means it's just outdated
00:22:51[Saint]gevaerts: Right, it also needs the bootloader and the binary to be of the same revision. So I guess that counts out the releases, as the bootloaders are updated at pretty much arbitrary intervals.
00:23:13gevaertsIt does? Weird
00:23:31[Saint]So, I think its safe to assume that "development build" means "a self compiled binary"
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00:23:39gevaertsThis is on the wiki?
00:24:47[Saint]And yes, only this particular method needs the bootloader and binary to be the same revision. I gather it needs to be so from this text: "Updating Rockbox requires that you re-run ipodpatcher - forgetting to do this will remove the 2 second boot time improvement, but your new version of Rockbox will still run."
00:24:58[Saint]Also, yes. It is on the wiki.
00:25:29gevaertsWhich page?
00:25:50[Saint]Ummmm...I have the text copid locally. One second, I shall find it for you.
00:27:34[Saint]Oh, you found it?
00:27:41gevaertsI don't see how that implies needing the same revision
00:28:04[Saint]because otherwise there would be no need to re-run ipodpatcher.
00:28:12[Saint]As an install doesn't touch the OSOS
00:28:26gevaertsThat's exactly why you need to rerun it
00:28:43gevaertsYou want the main rockbox binary in OSOS
00:29:08gevaertsAnd if the one in OSOS doesn't match what's installed, your codecs won't work
00:29:36[Saint]Ah, right....Hmmm. I didn't think of it in that way.
00:29:56[Saint]Well, I guess the bootloader and binary matching can't hurt, anyway.
00:30:09gevaertsI'd just try it with current releases
00:30:55CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30166): rk27xx - add missing interrupt source
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00:33:40CIA-14r30166 build result: 1 errors, 1 warnings (wodz committed)
00:39:53wodzWunused-but-set-variable strikes again
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00:43:59funmani don't see the error in the build
00:47:00[Saint]Hey...... funman! o/
00:47:08[Saint]Long time no see.
00:52:33funmanhello [Saint]
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02:15:16[Saint]Regarding the language files. Since we now have english-us.lang, would it not make sense to rename english.lang to english-uk.lang?
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02:22:08JdGordon[Saint]: no! english is correct, english-us is a worthless fork :)
02:26:44[Saint]JdGordon: Playlists from the main menu isn't actually showing me my playlists
02:28:18[Saint]I created a playlist, saved it as what it wanted to "dynamic.m3u8", and it saved correctly in /Playlists, but when I click on Playlists from the main menu I only get "create Playlist, View Current Playlist and Save Current Playlist"
02:29:03[Saint]the playlist name prefilling doesn't seem to work correctly 100% of the time, either.
02:29:37[Saint]about half of the time the prefill is just "m3u8"
02:29:56[Saint]as opposed to "/Playlists/dynamic.m3u8"
02:31:50[Saint]I expected going to either Playlists from the main menu, or Playlists - Playlist Catalogue from the context menu to actually display the contents of the playlist catalogue, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
02:32:33[Saint]If I go to it via the context menu I simply get "Add to Playlist" and "Add to New Playlist"
02:33:13[Saint]If I go to it via the main menu I get "Create Playlist", "View Current Playlist" and "Save Current Playlist"
02:33:43[Saint]But, if I want to actually view a list of my stored playlists, I still need to navigate to /Playlists from the File Browser.
02:34:38[Saint]%cs also seems to be fucked up.
02:35:04[Saint]the filebrowser displays "Playlist" as opposed to "Filebrowser" :-S
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02:42:34JdGordon[Saint]: this is all with the latest version?
02:43:31JdGordonand "I expected going to either Playlists from the main menu, or Playlists - Playlist Catalogue from the context menu
02:43:35JdGordon" <- which context menu?
02:44:48[Saint]Either the Filebrowser, or the .WPS, with or without music currently playing.
02:44:54[Saint]So, errrr...both.
02:46:27JdGordonif "Playlists" in the main menu isnt displaying the playlists you either accidentally did long-press, or you arentusing the corect patch
02:46:46[Saint]Nope, and yes, I am.
02:46:54[Saint]I'm using the latest patch on the tracker.
02:47:03JdGordonthat might not be the correct one :)
02:47:29[Saint] your latest sync is busted? and I'm supposed to use an old one?
02:47:38JdGordonhmm, no, that looks correct
02:47:45[Saint]that, yeah ;)
02:47:56JdGordoni didnt necessarily uplad the correct file :)
02:48:18[Saint]Hang on, I need to swap OSes. Back in a bit
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02:54:43JdGordonLlorean: firstly, know that I'm annoyed that you argue without trying the patch...
02:54:56JdGordonthat said, 1) you can move the catalog to any folder you like including the mircosd
02:55:08LloreanJdGordon: Moving it to the MicroSD doesn't solve the problem.
02:55:17JdGordon2) for dynamic playlists and root.m3u8.. *where* is the local folder?
02:55:36LloreanJdGordon: And I didn't argue about the patch, if it doesn't work the way he said it worked. So there's no reason for you to be annoyed. I argued with something working the way he described it.
02:55:49JdGordon3) for dirplay which is the only playlist which makes sense to have a local folder.. if you tried the patch you;d know i didnt change that behaviour
02:55:56LloreanJdGordon: For dynamic playlists, there's no local folder. You have to type a path anyway. For root.m3u8, the root is the local folder.
02:56:32JdGordonroot.m3u8 is onl created when you create the playlist for /
02:56:42LloreanJdGordon: In response to #3, I tried to ask about the behaviour, was told a description of how it worked, believed the person, and responded to them. I'm sorry for not trying the patch, but I didn't assume I was being told incorrect information from someone who'd used it.
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02:57:42LloreanAs long as directory playlists are created like they used to, I don't have any real complaints. Root.m3u8 being moved somewhere where other directory playlists aren't seems a little weird, but not a huge factor.
02:57:46JdGordonAlexP: "playlist" and "playlist catalog" context menu items serve 2 different purposes... the first is to interact with the current playlist, the latter is for dealing with the on disk playlists
02:58:49JdGordonLlorean: how does moving the catalog not solve your problem.. and where is a logical default location for dynamic.m3u?
02:59:31LloreanJdGordon: Moving the playlist catalog doesn't solve the problem because some content is local as well. I don't want to use the catalog at all, I just want playlists to be with their content. As I said though, if the folder playlists still work as they did, I have no significant complaints.
02:59:59LloreanJdGordon: As for dynamic.m3u8, doesn't that usually give you a filename prompt? To me, that's fine defaulting to /(catalog folder)/.m3u8 and letting them fill in the rest.
03:00:15JdGordonthey *all* give you a filename prompt
03:00:25LloreanFolder playlists didn't used to.
03:00:27LloreanWhen did that change?
03:00:37JdGordonin the patch
03:00:39LloreanBrowse into a folder, choose "create playlist" and suddenly have (foldername).m3u8
03:00:44JdGordonwhich is why im annoyed
03:00:46LloreanAh, why is that needed?
03:01:03LloreanIf you want a prompt, insert the folder then save the dynamic
03:01:09LloreanRather than slowing down the process for the old way.
03:01:27JdGordonone extra click removes surprises
03:02:07LloreanA long click, on a screen that often has awkward controls that I don't even remember for most of my players.
03:02:18LloreanIt creates a layer of added frustration for people who don't use that, and don't need it.
03:02:23LloreanAnd removes a feature without adding one.
03:05:29[Saint]What exactly did I mention that was incorrect about its behaviour?
03:05:48[Saint]I did say the catalogue could be moved, could I not, or is that not the issue?
03:05:55Llorean[Saint]: Apparently, defaulting all playlists to the catalog isn't quite what happens?
03:06:00[Saint]*s/could I not/did I not/
03:06:11*JdGordon wants to point out that anyone other than *me* explaing patches while they are in progress is asking for trouble
03:06:16LloreanFolder playlists still have what would be the old filename/path as the default filled in value, IIUC what JD's saying
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03:06:49[Saint]Llorean: Not to my understanding. I created a folder playlist. Still ended up in /Playlists.
03:06:58Llorean[Saint]: How did you create it?
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03:07:11[Saint]context menu on the folder via the filebrowser.
03:07:40LloreanYou should browse into the folder, then choose "create playlist"
03:07:51LloreanIf you're using "insert" that's not a folder playlist, it's just a standard dynamic playlist of a folder
03:08:47[Saint]there is no "create playlist" in the filebrowser context menu.
03:08:50[Saint]Was it there prior?
03:09:33LloreanNot in the filebrowser context menu. it's in the playlists menu off the main menu, I believe
03:10:08[Saint]if you do that, it cxreates "all.m3u"
03:10:11LloreanI think it may have been in the context menu a long time ago.
03:10:21Llorean[Saint]: You were in the root when you did this?
03:10:27LloreanDo it from a non-root folder.
03:10:41JdGordonthat is a broken use case
03:10:51[Saint]What, how can I do it from a folder *and* from the main menu at the same time?
03:11:03[Saint]its either or.
03:11:04JdGordonin that the steps are ridiculous.
03:11:23JdGordon[Saint]: any chance you can do a mini2g build with the patch please?
03:11:27Llorean[Saint]: Browse into a folder, press the menu button, choose the option?
03:11:49LloreanJdGordon: That's pretty much how I've created every playlist I've ever used...
03:11:56[Saint]that will just navigate out of the folder, and create "all.m3u" again.
03:12:03JdGordongood for you, it is still broken
03:12:15Llorean[Saint]: How will it navigate out of the folder?
03:12:21LloreanJdGordon: It works perfectly fine.
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03:12:42[Saint]Llorean: Navigating to a folder, then pressing menu, will take you to the main menu.
03:12:42JdGordonyou are abject to change.... rockbox m3u handling has been broken for well, forever
03:12:44Llorean[Saint]: Hitting "menu" does not return the file browser to the root. You can even press menu again (on most players) to return to the same place in the browser. It's preserver.
03:13:18Llorean[Saint]: Going to the menu doesn't actually affect the file browser unless you re-enter the file browser through the menu, unless something has been broken.
03:13:24[Saint]Ah, right...I see. Slightly non-intuitive...but it works as you expect.
03:13:59LloreanIt's a rather handy shortcut for creating playlists of collections of folders and not having to muck about with the virtual keyboard screen.
03:14:04LloreanExcept apparently it's "broken"
03:14:15JdGordonusing the folders context menu is faster
03:14:30[Saint]I don't see it as "broken", quite unintuitive, but not "broken".
03:14:53[Saint]It makes more sense to me to actually *be* in the filebrowser, in the folder you want to create a playlist of.
03:15:07[Saint]but, I do see how this works now, it just seems rather odd.
03:15:53LloreanJdGordon: If it's 'broken' you should either remove the option to "Create Playlist" from the playlists menu entirely, such as for creating root.m3u8, or not change it since nobody but those of us happy with it are likely to use it anyway.
03:15:54[Saint]I expected it to "forget" what folder I was in after navigating out of the filebrowser with the menu key.
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03:16:55JdGordonLlorean: for the last time... dont tell me what to do untill you try the damn patch, because if you did you'd know that isnt there anyway
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03:17:51[Saint]Hm? It is, from the main menu at least.
03:18:03[Saint]Or, are we talking of the filebrowser?
03:18:05LloreanJdGordon: If the 'create playlist; option is gone, why did you say it works as it used to? If it's not gone, what are you talking about?
03:18:38JdGordon[Saint]: its in the context menu.. or should be.. i wonder if the patch you are using is actually the one i wanted to upload
03:18:53[Saint]It sounds like its not.
03:19:08[Saint]I have "Create Playlists" in the main menu under Playlists
03:19:24[Saint]but, not in the context menu.
03:19:27LloreanJdGordon: If the create playlist option is in the context menu, isn't that pretty confusing? If I highlight a folder and choose "create playlist" does it create for the folder I have highlited, or the one I'm in?
03:19:28JdGordonthat should be the context menu
03:19:41[Saint]It's not, not in this version at least.
03:19:50LloreanI mean Copy and Paste are always about what you have selected, it'd be rather odd to have options that affect the parent instead.
03:21:02JdGordon[Saint]: are you sure root_menu.c patched correctly?
03:21:22[Saint]All hunks applied correctly.
03:21:33[Saint]without even any offset or fuzz
03:21:34*JdGordon is annoyed that he cant login to his laptop from work
03:21:44JdGordonok, drop this untill i get home then
03:21:55JdGordonno point discussing unless we are at the same codebase :p
03:22:10[Saint]Yeah, suits me too actually. I'm trying to do a trillion things at once and fucking them all up ;)
03:22:19LloreanJdGordon: You can still answer my question about the intended behaviour of the context menu item though
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03:22:47JdGordonhighlight the folder -> context menu -> playlist catalog > add to new catalog -> boom
03:23:45LloreanJdGordon: Did you read my question then? I asked which folder gets added. The one you've highlighted or the parent one? How does one add root then?
03:24:11LloreanHow do you "create playlist" like you used to, where it creates an m3u of the folder you're in?
03:24:13JdGordonthe highlited one obviously... it is from that context menu item
03:24:33JdGordonand using "create playlist" from the playlists context menu item from the main menu works as now
03:25:01LloreanJdGordon: There may be some confusion then. [Saint] and I both understood you said the create playlist option was gone from the main menu area and in the context menu.
03:25:07LloreanWhich may be why you think you uploaded the wrong one.
03:25:21LloreanAt least I think that's what [Saint] understood
03:25:29[Saint]Llorean: No, I understood the reverse.
03:25:45[Saint]I mean, I understand that is what's supposed to happen, but its not the case.
03:25:49[Saint]it seems to be reversed.
03:26:03Llorean[Saint]: What's supposed to be the case is that "Create Playlist" is accessed by way of the main menu, rather than the file browser context menu.
03:26:08LloreanIf I understand JdGordon now.
03:26:28LloreanIt sounded like you were looking for it in the file browser context menu, which is where you get "Playlist Catalog" instead.
03:26:37*Llorean maybe misunderstood.
03:26:43JdGordon[Saint]: can you do a mini2g build please? :)
03:27:06[Saint]Bah! Llorean: I got myself mixed up :-S
03:27:30[Saint]"Create Playlist" is present in the main menu, but not in the context menu. It is supposed to be the reverse of that iiuc.
03:28:00[Saint]JdGordon: Not this very second, but, in a short-to-possibly-not-so-short while, yes ;)
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08:49:05CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30167): rk27xx - implement cache_commit_discard(). Cache is still not enabled in crt0.S
08:52:01CIA-14r30167 build result: All green
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09:25:54amiconn[Saint]: With rockbox in OSOS, there is no bootloader involved at all -> no matching necessary
09:27:16wodzamiconn: I guess you are the author of backlight-4g_color.c?
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09:27:50amiconn(actually there is a bootloader - the apple built-in loader that loads whatever resides on OSOS)
09:31:08amiconnWell the copyright line says otherwise
09:31:19amiconnIirc I added the brightness stuff
09:31:55*amiconn notices that the comment regarding B03 is probably wrong
09:32:19wodzok, how did you filled log_brightness[] ? Is it experimantaly tweaked or based on some general assumption?
09:32:47amiconnNeed to check - either it refers to B02, or we chose not to fade
09:33:44amiconnThe geral assumption is that pwm -> measured brightness is linear, but the eye is not linear
09:34:27amiconnFor targets with only a few brightness steps we just have to accept that, but here we have 255 steps, so the table is there to linearize
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09:35:12wodzthats obvious - but have you used some known "eye response function" or choose values to your taste?
09:35:40*amiconn would need to search old irc logs
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09:39:43amiconnThe table is essentially the (x^2)/4 function, with the first few values and the last one tweaked
09:40:34amiconnSlight correction: ((x+1)^2)/4
09:40:54wodzok thanks
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09:42:10amiconnAh, yes
09:42:20amiconnThis is essentially a gamma correction
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09:44:25wodz<a target="_blank" href="">>
09:44:25amiconnSo the table approximates a gamma of 2
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10:08:13muszekhi... my sandisk sansa e2xx just died and I'm looking for a replacement... can someone recommend a device that works well with rockbox?
10:09:17muszekoh... it needs to be able to hang on my neck or be clipped to clothes - my headphones' plug is too big to fit it in my pants' pocket along with a player
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10:23:10gevaertsamiconn: there are two OSOS installation variants, one of which does have a bootloader and boots from the normal file by default to handle the updated build case more or less nicely
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11:42:55[Saint]can a forum mod please unlock <a target="_blank" href="">>,28083.0.html for me?
11:43:10[Saint]I have no idea why it was locked, I intend to pick up discussion here as my development of the theme continues.
11:43:13scorchewhy was it locked?
11:43:48[Saint]the last poster was JdGordon, I assume he locked it for some reason.
11:43:53[Saint]It certainly wasn't me.
11:44:21scorcheit doesnt look like it was locked, but i hit the lock button twice
11:45:18[Saint]Hmmm...the forum seems to have taken a dislike to me. Its treating it as if it were locked. :-S
11:45:33[Saint]I'll log out and back in and see if something magically happens.
11:45:37scorchetry now - it should be locked now..
11:46:06scorcheno, locked =)
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11:46:26JdGordI don't remember locking it
11:46:29[Saint]Yes, its locked now...but it was telling me it was locked before also. Could it be *un*locked please?
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11:46:39scorcheshould be unlocked again
11:47:13[Saint]Thanks. Perhaps it messed up when it told me it was locked, ...but regardless it wouldn't let me post.
11:47:24scorcheprobably for the best
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11:47:32[Saint]Heh ;)
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14:37:04kugelwhat the heck is check_file_thumbnails() in filetree.c doing!?
14:41:09kugelit goes twice through a directory to find .talk files
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14:41:30kugelin the second run it terminates after the first run
14:41:46kugeland it modifies d_name of the dirent struct!!!
14:43:11kugels/in the second run it terminates after the first run//
14:44:04kugelthis function seems like utter crap
14:46:22kugelthe question is why it even does the second run and why it modifies dirent
14:46:29kugelthe code goes back to 2005 :(
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14:55:57kugelhm, the first run adds FILE_ATTR_THUMBNAIL to .talk files. the second run adds FILE_ATTR_THUMBNAIL to the corresponding file/dir and strips of the .talk extension :\
14:56:04*kugel thinks the second run is entirely wrong
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17:21:38asperho guys
17:21:52asperI just received a sansa fuze v1 and the firmware is different form those ones:
17:22:01asper<a target="_blank" href="">>
17:22:06asperhow can I dump it ?
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17:36:56saratogaasper: you can't
17:37:01saratogawhat firmware do you have?
17:39:59evilnickI'm running to install the crosscompiler to build Android builds, which target arch would that be?
17:40:43gevaertsevilnick: android goes through another script
17:40:48asperand another thing: using rockbox utility I get a mountpoint error
17:40:55aspershould I try manual install ?
17:41:07gevaertsevilnick: android/
17:41:09drezonevilnick: you need the NDK and SDK from google
17:41:23gevaertsasper: no, just set the mountpoint manually
17:41:37aspertryed but I get a mountpoint error
17:41:42drezonah, there is a script for android now? i installed everything manually
17:42:15gomsemariI've tried running rockbox on android emulator, but it force close after rockbox logo flashed. Do I need some special settings for AVD?
17:42:18gevaertsasper: then you set it wrong
17:43:06asperwow !
17:43:14asperafter 2-3 challenges it worked !
17:43:16evilnickgevaerts: Thanks for that
17:43:23asperautomatically... dunno why !
17:43:35aspermaybe when I set MSC i must restart the player ?
17:44:34asperand 1 last question: what button must I press in order to boot into original firmware ?
17:50:15asperok the left button :P
17:50:59gevaertsThe manual mentions that
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17:54:37asperlook inside the forum, did not find in themanual but probably my falut
17:54:39asperworks great !
17:55:02asperI already have it installed in archos recorder 10, 3 sansa and Samsung Galaxy S (Android)
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17:55:41JonSumisuCan someone help me figure this out?
17:56:15[Saint]I'm not sure actually points to the correct S/NDK
17:56:25[Saint]Its better to get them straight from Google
17:56:29JonSumisuFor some time now, my Rockbox installation has been showing a directory named .<black square>fmt_title and other variations inside every directory I go into.
17:56:29saratogaJonSumisu: if you have a question just ask it...
17:56:41[Saint] doesn't do any special magic.
17:57:01saratogaJonSumisu: do you mean the database?
17:57:07JonSumisuNo, the file browser.
17:57:22saratogaIIRC the fmt_title is from the database browser
17:57:36saratogahmm ok could just be a cooincidence
17:57:43gevaertsasper: the manual is linked to from the sidebar, both from the main page and the forums
17:58:24JonSumisuIt changes when I update Rockbox - for example now it's .<three outlined squares>fmt_titl<one black square>
17:58:42[Saint]<a target="_blank" href="">>
17:58:51[Saint]Fuze V1 manual ^
17:59:07saratogaI guess check the disk for errors, could be that the file system has had random crap added to it
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18:00:10[Saint]randon_named_dir is a classic symptom of a trashed FS.
18:00:26JonSumisuthe directory also appears on the SD card
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18:00:35JonSumisuand only in Rockbox.
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18:00:48asperthank you man ! I am reading it just right now
18:01:13JonSumisuchecking the main memory with MS ScanDisk didn't reveal anything
18:01:16asper37 euros for a Fuze v1 8giga is a high price ?
18:02:25[Saint]JonSumisu: In that case, it might pay to backup your config.cfg (if you want to keep your settings) and un/re-install Rockbox.
18:03:09JonSumisuI tried replacing the Rockbox binary and the secondary .config files, didn't help
18:03:29drezonasper: new?
18:04:01amiconnkugel: The special file attribute bits are set in order to avoid spinning the disk to check for .talk files every time
18:04:27saratogayou're sure this is the file browser? i can't think of any way you'd have the same corruption on two different storage devices
18:04:45amiconnThis only has a real effect if dircache isn't enabled, or not available at all
18:05:12asperno refurbished
18:05:34JonSumisuI'm 100% sure, the database GUI won't show the OF system dirs.
18:05:44JonSumisuand I haven't even enabled the DB
18:05:56asperno manual, no cd, only fuze+cable+earphones
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18:06:20drezonif it is really refurbished (by the manufacturer) still a good price I'd say
18:06:58asperGood ! Bought from USA shipped to italy in 2 weeks - no custom costs
18:07:01saratogaits possible some software on your computer creates those folders and then sets them as hidden
18:07:22JonSumisuI configured Windows Explorer to show hidden directories.
18:07:25saratogai know macs tend to create lots of .<random letters> folders that are invisible on lots of computers
18:07:32asperthis is it: <a target="_blank" href="">>
18:07:49JonSumisuand to be sure, I can export the DAP to a Linux VM
18:08:03asper(shipping was only 7 euros)
18:09:38asperOh well I also made a test: I removed my old sansa e200 memory (8giga) and replaced it in my (other) old sansa e200
18:09:53asperall 8gb mp3 were there and working without any firmware modifications !
18:10:10asperthe other sansa e200 was a 4gb model
18:10:24asperso sansa e200 memory pcb is interchangable between sansa !
18:10:32asperI think this is not written in the docs
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18:11:10asperand is easy to do ! There is a simple solid connector to "connect"
18:11:24aspersome people were selling sansa memory-only pcb on ebay
18:11:39asperreally cheap for a good upgrade !
18:12:56asper(now my fuze firmware is 1.02.031F so I lost the older firmware
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18:23:27JonSumisuIt seems not to be filesystem corruption - that directory shows up only on that DAP, only in Rockbox.
18:24:45asperhere they are
18:24:46asper<a target="_blank" href="">>
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18:33:22JonSumisuReinstalling Rockbox made the directory disappear.
18:33:28JonSumisuThank you all for your advice!
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18:40:03evilnickkugel: I'm having some problems running ./
18:40:10gomsemariDo I need Google API installed to run rockbox on Android emulator?
18:40:19evilnickNamely: ./ line 83: /home/evilnick/android-sdk-linux_x86/tools/android: No such file or directory
18:40:22kugelwhy does everyone ping me for that script? I didn't write it :(
18:40:59[Saint]evilnick: I said earlier, but maybe you didn't see's better to just not use that script.
18:40:59evilnickWho did write it?
18:41:18[Saint]get the S/NDK from google directly, and run ./android from the SDK/tools dir
18:41:34evilnickAnd sorry :)
18:41:47drezonYep, can confirm. That's what I did and it worked like a charm
18:42:01drezonWell almost
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20:29:32CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30168): rk27xx - use more correct function to map between percived lightness and PWM fill factor when setting backlight brightness
20:32:45CIA-14r30168 build result: 0 errors, 1 warnings (wodz committed)
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21:01:54wodzHeh, my cheap rk27xx device not only miss RTC chip. It also doesn't have lithium battery charger IC. It simply charges battery by diode from usb +5V. I hope battery integrated protection circuits work as advertised.
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21:08:48bertrikwodz, wow, really?
21:11:17wodzyeah. It connects battery to USB +5V through 1n5819 diode and ~2ohm limiting resistor
21:12:11wodzthat explains why I had adc readings ~4.6V on battery with usb connected
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21:13:21bertrikwodz, it's a bit reckless by the manufacturer to do it like that IMO
21:13:49bertrikBTW, maybe you can solder in an RTC yourself :)
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21:14:30wodzI guess this is no problem If I find pcf8563/hym8563 locally
21:15:18bertrikis there just a chip missing (with the traces already routed) or would you have to wire it up yourself?
21:15:50wodztraces are there only IC, xtal and trim capacitors missing
21:16:22wodzthe PCB is 100% reference design
21:16:55CIA-14New commit by alex (r30169): Commit <a target="_blank" href="">FS #12188a> - Fix perl scripts that used Switch by Sean Bartell. ...
21:17:34*AlexP waits to see which build clients have ancient perl :)
21:18:22wodzI would much preffer to find ocp8020 charger IC
21:19:43CIA-14r30169 build result: All green
21:20:09AlexPah good
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21:23:02*Strife1989 wonders why some of his Vorbis files take longer than usual to load
21:24:59y4nHello, nothing shows up in the file browser on Clip+ (but the database works and updates) −− is this limit settings related?
21:25:22Torneyou have probably accidentally set the "SHow Files" seting to playlists, or similar
21:25:36Torneit's on the quickscreen so it's fairly easy to do by mistake if you aren't familiar witht he controls
21:25:40Tornechange it back to Supported
21:25:55y4nright :)
21:25:57y4nthanks, Torne
21:26:13TornePeople in general: why haven't we taken this off the damn quickscreen yet
21:26:20Tornei know there was debate about what to replace it with
21:26:25Tornebut isn't "nothing" an option :)
21:26:27AlexPThat I think
21:26:35AlexPIt really should have gone
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21:26:47TorneIs it possible to set it to nothing without changing the code?
21:27:00AlexPBut yeah, standard arguments about what to put there
21:27:12*Torne looks
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21:30:18Strife1989I don't suppose someone knowledgable with Vorbis files could take a look at one of the files?
21:30:35snooffyhi guys, can anybody help me to unbrick a sansa fuze v1?
21:31:00Strife1989It was encoded to abr 192 kbps, so I wouldn't think it'd take so long to load up.
21:31:26TorneAlexP: it seems to handle the quickscreen entry being NULL
21:31:59AlexPTorne: Can you set that from the UI?
21:32:07Tornei don't think so
21:32:21TorneIt definately works
21:32:23AlexPThat might be nice to be able to do
21:32:28Torneit explicitly uses NULL in another place
21:32:34TorneSO yeah, we could just remove the default from teh find_setting call
21:32:38TorneYou wouldn't be able to set it *back* to nothing
21:32:44Torneexcept by editing the config file
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21:32:55Tornebut it would eliminate it for everyone who hasn't actually got that setting saved in their cfg
21:33:07AlexPwell, fine by me
21:33:18AlexPI suspect somebody will argue though :)
21:33:22Tornehm, apparentlt the top is party mode now?
21:33:28Tornei hadn't oitticed that
21:33:38TorneLooks like the default in teh code
21:33:41TorneTHat seems like another bad choice
21:33:45Tornesince it prevents track skipping, no?
21:33:53TorneWHich is the *second* most common accidental UI blunder
21:34:16TorneI would be strongly inclined to set them both to null and just leave it having shuffle and repeat
21:34:17AlexPLet's put all the settings that fuck about with controls and UI on the quickscreen where they can be easily changed by accident :)
21:34:33GodEaterI wonder which numpty did that
21:34:34Tornebecause shuffle and repeat, at least, have UI elements that tell you when you have enabled them
21:34:41GodEaterparty mode in quick settings seems very dumb indeed
21:35:22AlexPwell I'd be fine with both being replaced by nothing
21:35:23TorneTHat was when it was first introduced that you could have a fourth option
21:35:24Strife1989Didn't Party Mode already cause a lot of help threads on the forums?
21:35:37TorneStrife1989: yes, possibly only since it appeared on the quickscreen? :)
21:35:38AlexPStrife1989: It has one or two, yeah
21:35:44TornePreviously people would do it by enabling Prevent Track Skipping
21:35:51Tornenot realising that this meant you can't skip tracks, not htat tracks don't skip
21:35:53*Strife1989 could swear he's seen far more than two.
21:36:20TorneWell, I don't have a player handy
21:36:31TorneI can write you a two line patch and you can try it?
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21:38:08Torne<a target="_blank" href="">>
21:38:33TorneIf that has no ill effects it should be reasonable
21:38:46TorneIt will not affect anyone who has ever set the top or bottom quickscreen setting
21:39:15Torneit should work the same as if you set it to something and then the setting gets removed, i think ;)
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21:50:19AlexPTorne: I reset settings and I appear to have show files top and bottom
21:50:55Tornefun :)
21:50:59AlexPyeah :)
21:51:06AlexPmy config.cfg is empty too
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21:51:49TorneAh, hm
21:51:55Tornethere are two different places where this gets defaulted
21:52:02AlexPnice :)
21:52:05Tornein the quickscreen code and also in the settings code itself
21:53:00Torneand, hm, i think setting it to null here might cause problems :/
21:53:04Torneokay maybe not super trivial
21:53:08Tornei will look at it later maybe :)
21:53:12AlexPOK :)
21:53:23Tornemaybe just post tot he list and say "pleeease can we just have them removed" :)
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22:13:48gevaertsAnyon around with a 64mb ipod video?
22:14:51*gevaerts has a patch that needs testing
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22:28:40gevaertshm, can anyone confirm that the battery capacity setting doesn't take effect until a reboot?
22:29:08gevaertsAnd is that wanted?
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22:41:14wodzOk, I figured out all substitute ICs to the chinese ones in reference design OCP8020 -> LTC4054 (charger), HYM8563 -> PCF8563 (rtc). Maybe I'll be able to "fill the gap" and have fully functional rk27xx reference design DAP.
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22:48:17CIA-14New commit by gevaerts (r30170): Set the default battery capacity for ipod video properly depending on detected RAM size. ...
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22:51:26bertrikAlexP, Torne, it wouldn't bother me at all personally, if the quickscreen was removed entirely .. :)
22:51:27CIA-14r30170 build result: 10 errors, 224 warnings (gevaerts committed)
22:51:39Tornebertrik: that's actually controversial though :)
22:52:18wodznice score :-)
22:56:00CIA-14New commit by gevaerts (r30171): Disable ipod video battery capacity default detection for bootloader and simulator
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22:56:20bertrikmy alternative IAP doesn't work so bad, excepts IAP seems to stop working the instant I look at the IAP debug info in the debug menu
22:56:22gevaertsThat should do it
22:56:49AlexPbertrik: That's OK, the debug menu says not to go into it anyway :)
22:58:40CIA-14r30171 build result: 0 errors, 1 warnings (gevaerts committed)
23:01:35bertrikhah, revenge of the -Wunused-but-set-variable
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23:05:25edhelashye :)
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23:06:31CIA-14New commit by gevaerts (r30172): Fix "variable 'result' set but not used" warning
23:06:58edhelasi try to apply this patch <a target="_blank" href="">> but didn't succed :(
23:07:42bertrikI think something's wrong with the patch, it wouldn't apply for me either
23:09:08CIA-14r30172 build result: All green
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23:11:39edhelasI hope that one day the piezo will be enabled in rockbox ^^
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23:14:07gevaertsTorne: it would be nice if you could confirm one of these days that the default battery capacity is now actually correct for you
23:14:23Tornegevaerts: I shall try and do so, but can't today
23:14:28gevaertsNo hurry
23:14:29Torneprod me on some random GMT evening
23:14:42*gevaerts will try to remember :)
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23:19:48bertrikIAP on the nano 1g with a cheapie radio/remote works like crap
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23:26:01edhelasyeah tha patch works :D
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