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| 00:04:09 | CIA-14 | New commit by kugel (r30165): Android: Rework RunForegroundManager (again) ... |
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| 00:06:48 | CIA-14 | r30165 build result: All green |
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| 00:15:09 | [Saint] | Torne: ping? |
| 00:16:02 | [Saint] | Alternatively.... |
| 00:16:28 | [Saint] | Some_else_that's_intricately_familiar_with_ipodpatcher: ping? |
| 00:16:35 | [Saint] | *Someone |
| 00:18:28 | [Saint] | Regarding the advanced installation methods using iPodPatcher, it says for method 2 (OSOS Contains Rockbox and the Rockbox Bootloader) "Requires a development build of Rockbox and the bootloader" |
| 00:18:44 | [Saint] | My question is, what constitutes a "development build"? |
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| 00:20:47 | [Saint] | I usually use method 4 (OSOS Contains only Rockbox), because dual-boot isn't important to me...but it is for the GF, so I wanted to do the install via method 2 instead. But now I wonder what a "development build" is. |
| 00:21:00 | [Saint] | Does this just mean a build one has compiled themselves? |
| 00:21:45 | gevaerts | [Saint]: I think it means "requires a newer build than current release at the time of writing" |
| 00:22:05 | gevaerts | Which probably means it's just outdated |
| 00:22:51 | [Saint] | gevaerts: Right, it also needs the bootloader and the binary to be of the same revision. So I guess that counts out the releases, as the bootloaders are updated at pretty much arbitrary intervals. |
| 00:23:13 | gevaerts | It does? Weird |
| 00:23:31 | [Saint] | So, I think its safe to assume that "development build" means "a self compiled binary" |
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| 00:23:39 | gevaerts | This is on the wiki? |
| 00:24:47 | [Saint] | And yes, only this particular method needs the bootloader and binary to be the same revision. I gather it needs to be so from this text: "Updating Rockbox requires that you re-run ipodpatcher - forgetting to do this will remove the 2 second boot time improvement, but your new version of Rockbox will still run." |
| 00:24:58 | [Saint] | Also, yes. It is on the wiki. |
| 00:25:29 | gevaerts | Which page? |
| 00:25:50 | [Saint] | Ummmm...I have the text copid locally. One second, I shall find it for you. |
| 00:25:56 | [Saint] | *copied. |
| 00:26:46 | gevaerts | IpodPatcher |
| 00:27:34 | [Saint] | Oh, you found it? |
| 00:27:41 | gevaerts | I don't see how that implies needing the same revision |
| 00:28:04 | [Saint] | because otherwise there would be no need to re-run ipodpatcher. |
| 00:28:12 | [Saint] | As an install doesn't touch the OSOS |
| 00:28:26 | gevaerts | That's exactly why you need to rerun it |
| 00:28:43 | gevaerts | You want the main rockbox binary in OSOS |
| 00:29:08 | gevaerts | And if the one in OSOS doesn't match what's installed, your codecs won't work |
| 00:29:36 | [Saint] | Ah, right....Hmmm. I didn't think of it in that way. |
| 00:29:38 | [Saint] | Thanks. |
| 00:29:56 | [Saint] | Well, I guess the bootloader and binary matching can't hurt, anyway. |
| 00:30:09 | gevaerts | I'd just try it with current releases |
| 00:30:55 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30166): rk27xx - add missing interrupt source |
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| 00:33:40 | CIA-14 | r30166 build result: 1 errors, 1 warnings (wodz committed) |
| 00:39:53 | wodz | Wunused-but-set-variable strikes again |
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| 00:43:59 | funman | i don't see the error in the build |
| 00:47:00 | [Saint] | Hey...... funman! o/ |
| 00:47:08 | [Saint] | Long time no see. |
| 00:52:33 | funman | hello [Saint] |
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| 02:15:16 | [Saint] | Regarding the language files. Since we now have english-us.lang, would it not make sense to rename english.lang to english-uk.lang? |
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| 02:22:08 | JdGordon | [Saint]: no! english is correct, english-us is a worthless fork :) |
| 02:26:44 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Playlists from the main menu isn't actually showing me my playlists |
| 02:28:18 | [Saint] | I created a playlist, saved it as what it wanted to "dynamic.m3u8", and it saved correctly in /Playlists, but when I click on Playlists from the main menu I only get "create Playlist, View Current Playlist and Save Current Playlist" |
| 02:29:03 | [Saint] | the playlist name prefilling doesn't seem to work correctly 100% of the time, either. |
| 02:29:37 | [Saint] | about half of the time the prefill is just "m3u8" |
| 02:29:56 | [Saint] | as opposed to "/Playlists/dynamic.m3u8" |
| 02:31:50 | [Saint] | I expected going to either Playlists from the main menu, or Playlists - Playlist Catalogue from the context menu to actually display the contents of the playlist catalogue, but this doesn't seem to be the case. |
| 02:32:33 | [Saint] | If I go to it via the context menu I simply get "Add to Playlist" and "Add to New Playlist" |
| 02:33:13 | [Saint] | If I go to it via the main menu I get "Create Playlist", "View Current Playlist" and "Save Current Playlist" |
| 02:33:43 | [Saint] | But, if I want to actually view a list of my stored playlists, I still need to navigate to /Playlists from the File Browser. |
| 02:34:38 | [Saint] | %cs also seems to be fucked up. |
| 02:35:04 | [Saint] | the filebrowser displays "Playlist" as opposed to "Filebrowser" :-S |
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| 02:42:34 | JdGordon | [Saint]: this is all with the latest version? |
| 02:43:31 | JdGordon | and "I expected going to either Playlists from the main menu, or Playlists - Playlist Catalogue from the context menu |
| 02:43:35 | JdGordon | " <- which context menu? |
| 02:44:48 | [Saint] | Either the Filebrowser, or the .WPS, with or without music currently playing. |
| 02:44:54 | [Saint] | So, errrr...both. |
| 02:46:27 | JdGordon | if "Playlists" in the main menu isnt displaying the playlists you either accidentally did long-press, or you arentusing the corect patch |
| 02:46:46 | [Saint] | Nope, and yes, I am. |
| 02:46:54 | [Saint] | I'm using the latest patch on the tracker. |
| 02:47:03 | JdGordon | that might not be the correct one :) |
| 02:47:11 | [Saint] | ? |
| 02:47:29 | [Saint] | what...so your latest sync is busted? and I'm supposed to use an old one? |
| 02:47:38 | JdGordon | hmm, no, that looks correct |
| 02:47:45 | [Saint] | that makes...um...sense, yeah ;) |
| 02:47:56 | JdGordon | i didnt necessarily uplad the correct file :) |
| 02:48:18 | [Saint] | Hang on, I need to swap OSes. Back in a bit |
| 02:48:22 | JdGordon | k |
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| 02:54:43 | JdGordon | Llorean: firstly, know that I'm annoyed that you argue without trying the patch... |
| 02:54:56 | JdGordon | that said, 1) you can move the catalog to any folder you like including the mircosd |
| 02:55:08 | Llorean | JdGordon: Moving it to the MicroSD doesn't solve the problem. |
| 02:55:17 | JdGordon | 2) for dynamic playlists and root.m3u8.. *where* is the local folder? |
| 02:55:36 | Llorean | JdGordon: And I didn't argue about the patch, if it doesn't work the way he said it worked. So there's no reason for you to be annoyed. I argued with something working the way he described it. |
| 02:55:49 | JdGordon | 3) for dirplay which is the only playlist which makes sense to have a local folder.. if you tried the patch you;d know i didnt change that behaviour |
| 02:55:56 | Llorean | JdGordon: For dynamic playlists, there's no local folder. You have to type a path anyway. For root.m3u8, the root is the local folder. |
| 02:56:32 | JdGordon | root.m3u8 is onl created when you create the playlist for / |
| 02:56:42 | Llorean | JdGordon: In response to #3, I tried to ask about the behaviour, was told a description of how it worked, believed the person, and responded to them. I'm sorry for not trying the patch, but I didn't assume I was being told incorrect information from someone who'd used it. |
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| 02:57:42 | Llorean | As long as directory playlists are created like they used to, I don't have any real complaints. Root.m3u8 being moved somewhere where other directory playlists aren't seems a little weird, but not a huge factor. |
| 02:57:46 | JdGordon | AlexP: "playlist" and "playlist catalog" context menu items serve 2 different purposes... the first is to interact with the current playlist, the latter is for dealing with the on disk playlists |
| 02:58:49 | JdGordon | Llorean: how does moving the catalog not solve your problem.. and where is a logical default location for dynamic.m3u? |
| 02:59:31 | Llorean | JdGordon: Moving the playlist catalog doesn't solve the problem because some content is local as well. I don't want to use the catalog at all, I just want playlists to be with their content. As I said though, if the folder playlists still work as they did, I have no significant complaints. |
| 02:59:59 | Llorean | JdGordon: As for dynamic.m3u8, doesn't that usually give you a filename prompt? To me, that's fine defaulting to /(catalog folder)/.m3u8 and letting them fill in the rest. |
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| 03:00:15 | JdGordon | they *all* give you a filename prompt |
| 03:00:25 | Llorean | Folder playlists didn't used to. |
| 03:00:27 | Llorean | When did that change? |
| 03:00:37 | JdGordon | in the patch |
| 03:00:39 | Llorean | Browse into a folder, choose "create playlist" and suddenly have (foldername).m3u8 |
| 03:00:44 | JdGordon | which is why im annoyed |
| 03:00:46 | Llorean | Ah, why is that needed? |
| 03:01:03 | Llorean | If you want a prompt, insert the folder then save the dynamic |
| 03:01:09 | Llorean | Rather than slowing down the process for the old way. |
| 03:01:27 | JdGordon | one extra click removes surprises |
| 03:02:07 | Llorean | A long click, on a screen that often has awkward controls that I don't even remember for most of my players. |
| 03:02:18 | Llorean | It creates a layer of added frustration for people who don't use that, and don't need it. |
| 03:02:23 | Llorean | And removes a feature without adding one. |
| 03:05:29 | [Saint] | What exactly did I mention that was incorrect about its behaviour? |
| 03:05:48 | [Saint] | I did say the catalogue could be moved, could I not, or is that not the issue? |
| 03:05:55 | Llorean | [Saint]: Apparently, defaulting all playlists to the catalog isn't quite what happens? |
| 03:06:00 | [Saint] | *s/could I not/did I not/ |
| 03:06:11 | * | JdGordon wants to point out that anyone other than *me* explaing patches while they are in progress is asking for trouble |
| 03:06:16 | Llorean | Folder playlists still have what would be the old filename/path as the default filled in value, IIUC what JD's saying |
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| 03:06:49 | [Saint] | Llorean: Not to my understanding. I created a folder playlist. Still ended up in /Playlists. |
| 03:06:58 | Llorean | [Saint]: How did you create it? |
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| 03:07:11 | [Saint] | context menu on the folder via the filebrowser. |
| 03:07:40 | Llorean | You should browse into the folder, then choose "create playlist" |
| 03:07:51 | Llorean | If you're using "insert" that's not a folder playlist, it's just a standard dynamic playlist of a folder |
| 03:08:47 | [Saint] | there is no "create playlist" in the filebrowser context menu. |
| 03:08:50 | [Saint] | Was it there prior? |
| 03:09:33 | Llorean | Not in the filebrowser context menu. it's in the playlists menu off the main menu, I believe |
| 03:10:08 | [Saint] | if you do that, it cxreates "all.m3u" |
| 03:10:11 | Llorean | I think it may have been in the context menu a long time ago. |
| 03:10:12 | [Saint] | *creates |
| 03:10:21 | Llorean | [Saint]: You were in the root when you did this? |
| 03:10:27 | Llorean | Do it from a non-root folder. |
| 03:10:41 | JdGordon | that is a broken use case |
| 03:10:51 | [Saint] | What, how can I do it from a folder *and* from the main menu at the same time? |
| 03:11:03 | [Saint] | its either or. |
| 03:11:04 | JdGordon | in that the steps are ridiculous. |
| 03:11:23 | JdGordon | [Saint]: any chance you can do a mini2g build with the patch please? |
| 03:11:27 | Llorean | [Saint]: Browse into a folder, press the menu button, choose the option? |
| 03:11:49 | Llorean | JdGordon: That's pretty much how I've created every playlist I've ever used... |
| 03:11:56 | [Saint] | that will just navigate out of the folder, and create "all.m3u" again. |
| 03:12:03 | JdGordon | good for you, it is still broken |
| 03:12:15 | Llorean | [Saint]: How will it navigate out of the folder? |
| 03:12:21 | Llorean | JdGordon: It works perfectly fine. |
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| 03:12:42 | [Saint] | Llorean: Navigating to a folder, then pressing menu, will take you to the main menu. |
| 03:12:42 | JdGordon | you are abject to change.... rockbox m3u handling has been broken for well, forever |
| 03:12:44 | Llorean | [Saint]: Hitting "menu" does not return the file browser to the root. You can even press menu again (on most players) to return to the same place in the browser. It's preserver. |
| 03:13:18 | Llorean | [Saint]: Going to the menu doesn't actually affect the file browser unless you re-enter the file browser through the menu, unless something has been broken. |
| 03:13:24 | [Saint] | Ah, right...I see. Slightly non-intuitive...but it works as you expect. |
| 03:13:59 | Llorean | It's a rather handy shortcut for creating playlists of collections of folders and not having to muck about with the virtual keyboard screen. |
| 03:14:04 | Llorean | Except apparently it's "broken" |
| 03:14:15 | JdGordon | using the folders context menu is faster |
| 03:14:30 | [Saint] | I don't see it as "broken", quite unintuitive, but not "broken". |
| 03:14:53 | [Saint] | It makes more sense to me to actually *be* in the filebrowser, in the folder you want to create a playlist of. |
| 03:15:07 | [Saint] | but, I do see how this works now, it just seems rather odd. |
| 03:15:53 | Llorean | JdGordon: If it's 'broken' you should either remove the option to "Create Playlist" from the playlists menu entirely, such as for creating root.m3u8, or not change it since nobody but those of us happy with it are likely to use it anyway. |
| 03:15:54 | [Saint] | I expected it to "forget" what folder I was in after navigating out of the filebrowser with the menu key. |
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| 03:16:55 | JdGordon | Llorean: for the last time... dont tell me what to do untill you try the damn patch, because if you did you'd know that isnt there anyway |
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| 03:17:51 | [Saint] | Hm? It is, from the main menu at least. |
| 03:18:03 | [Saint] | Or, are we talking of the filebrowser? |
| 03:18:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: If the 'create playlist; option is gone, why did you say it works as it used to? If it's not gone, what are you talking about? |
| 03:18:38 | JdGordon | [Saint]: its in the context menu.. or should be.. i wonder if the patch you are using is actually the one i wanted to upload |
| 03:18:53 | [Saint] | It sounds like its not. |
| 03:19:08 | [Saint] | I have "Create Playlists" in the main menu under Playlists |
| 03:19:24 | [Saint] | but, not in the context menu. |
| 03:19:27 | Llorean | JdGordon: If the create playlist option is in the context menu, isn't that pretty confusing? If I highlight a folder and choose "create playlist" does it create for the folder I have highlited, or the one I'm in? |
| 03:19:28 | JdGordon | that should be the context menu |
| 03:19:32 | [Saint] | Nup. |
| 03:19:41 | [Saint] | It's not, not in this version at least. |
| 03:19:50 | Llorean | I mean Copy and Paste are always about what you have selected, it'd be rather odd to have options that affect the parent instead. |
| 03:21:02 | JdGordon | [Saint]: are you sure root_menu.c patched correctly? |
| 03:21:22 | [Saint] | All hunks applied correctly. |
| 03:21:33 | [Saint] | without even any offset or fuzz |
| 03:21:34 | * | JdGordon is annoyed that he cant login to his laptop from work |
| 03:21:44 | JdGordon | ok, drop this untill i get home then |
| 03:21:55 | JdGordon | no point discussing unless we are at the same codebase :p |
| 03:22:10 | [Saint] | Yeah, suits me too actually. I'm trying to do a trillion things at once and fucking them all up ;) |
| 03:22:19 | Llorean | JdGordon: You can still answer my question about the intended behaviour of the context menu item though |
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| 03:22:47 | JdGordon | highlight the folder -> context menu -> playlist catalog > add to new catalog -> boom |
| 03:23:45 | Llorean | JdGordon: Did you read my question then? I asked which folder gets added. The one you've highlighted or the parent one? How does one add root then? |
| 03:24:11 | Llorean | How do you "create playlist" like you used to, where it creates an m3u of the folder you're in? |
| 03:24:13 | JdGordon | the highlited one obviously... it is from that context menu item |
| 03:24:33 | JdGordon | and using "create playlist" from the playlists context menu item from the main menu works as now |
| 03:25:01 | Llorean | JdGordon: There may be some confusion then. [Saint] and I both understood you said the create playlist option was gone from the main menu area and in the context menu. |
| 03:25:07 | Llorean | Which may be why you think you uploaded the wrong one. |
| 03:25:21 | Llorean | At least I think that's what [Saint] understood |
| 03:25:29 | [Saint] | Llorean: No, I understood the reverse. |
| 03:25:45 | [Saint] | I mean, I understand that is what's supposed to happen, but its not the case. |
| 03:25:49 | [Saint] | it seems to be reversed. |
| 03:26:03 | Llorean | [Saint]: What's supposed to be the case is that "Create Playlist" is accessed by way of the main menu, rather than the file browser context menu. |
| 03:26:08 | Llorean | If I understand JdGordon now. |
| 03:26:28 | Llorean | It sounded like you were looking for it in the file browser context menu, which is where you get "Playlist Catalog" instead. |
| 03:26:37 | * | Llorean maybe misunderstood. |
| 03:26:43 | JdGordon | [Saint]: can you do a mini2g build please? :) |
| 03:27:06 | [Saint] | Bah! Llorean: I got myself mixed up :-S |
| 03:27:30 | [Saint] | "Create Playlist" is present in the main menu, but not in the context menu. It is supposed to be the reverse of that iiuc. |
| 03:28:00 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Not this very second, but, in a short-to-possibly-not-so-short while, yes ;) |
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| 08:49:05 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30167): rk27xx - implement cache_commit_discard(). Cache is still not enabled in crt0.S |
| 08:52:01 | CIA-14 | r30167 build result: All green |
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| 09:25:54 | amiconn | [Saint]: With rockbox in OSOS, there is no bootloader involved at all -> no matching necessary |
| 09:27:16 | wodz | amiconn: I guess you are the author of backlight-4g_color.c? |
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| 09:27:50 | amiconn | (actually there is a bootloader - the apple built-in loader that loads whatever resides on OSOS) |
| 09:30:16 | wodz | amiconn:? |
| 09:31:08 | amiconn | Well the copyright line says otherwise |
| 09:31:19 | amiconn | Iirc I added the brightness stuff |
| 09:31:55 | * | amiconn notices that the comment regarding B03 is probably wrong |
| 09:32:19 | wodz | ok, how did you filled log_brightness[] ? Is it experimantaly tweaked or based on some general assumption? |
| 09:32:47 | amiconn | Need to check - either it refers to B02, or we chose not to fade |
| 09:33:44 | amiconn | The geral assumption is that pwm -> measured brightness is linear, but the eye is not linear |
| 09:33:48 | amiconn | *general |
| 09:34:27 | amiconn | For targets with only a few brightness steps we just have to accept that, but here we have 255 steps, so the table is there to linearize |
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| 09:35:12 | wodz | thats obvious - but have you used some known "eye response function" or choose values to your taste? |
| 09:35:40 | * | amiconn would need to search old irc logs |
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| 09:39:43 | amiconn | The table is essentially the (x^2)/4 function, with the first few values and the last one tweaked |
| 09:40:34 | amiconn | Slight correction: ((x+1)^2)/4 |
| 09:40:54 | wodz | ok thanks |
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| 09:42:10 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 09:42:20 | amiconn | This is essentially a gamma correction |
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| 09:44:25 | wodz | <a target="_blank" href="http://neuroelec.com/2011/04/led-brightness-to-your-eye-gamma-correction-no/">http://neuroelec.com/2011/04/led-brightness-to-your-eye-gamma-correction-no/a> |
| 09:44:25 | amiconn | So the table approximates a gamma of 2 |
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| 10:08:13 | muszek | hi... my sandisk sansa e2xx just died and I'm looking for a replacement... can someone recommend a device that works well with rockbox? |
| 10:09:17 | muszek | oh... it needs to be able to hang on my neck or be clipped to clothes - my headphones' plug is too big to fit it in my pants' pocket along with a player |
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| 10:23:10 | gevaerts | amiconn: there are two OSOS installation variants, one of which does have a bootloader and boots from the normal file by default to handle the updated build case more or less nicely |
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| 11:42:55 | [Saint] | can a forum mod please unlock <a target="_blank" href="http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic">http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topica>,28083.0.html for me? |
| 11:43:10 | [Saint] | I have no idea why it was locked, I intend to pick up discussion here as my development of the theme continues. |
| 11:43:13 | scorche | why was it locked? |
| 11:43:35 | [Saint] | NFI |
| 11:43:48 | [Saint] | the last poster was JdGordon, I assume he locked it for some reason. |
| 11:43:53 | [Saint] | It certainly wasn't me. |
| 11:44:21 | scorche | it doesnt look like it was locked, but i hit the lock button twice |
| 11:45:18 | [Saint] | Hmmm...the forum seems to have taken a dislike to me. Its treating it as if it were locked. :-S |
| 11:45:33 | [Saint] | I'll log out and back in and see if something magically happens. |
| 11:45:37 | scorche | try now - it should be locked now.. |
| 11:45:51 | [Saint] | _un_locked? |
| 11:46:06 | scorche | no, locked =) |
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| 11:46:26 | JdGord | I don't remember locking it |
| 11:46:29 | [Saint] | Yes, its locked now...but it was telling me it was locked before also. Could it be *un*locked please? |
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| 11:46:39 | scorche | should be unlocked again |
| 11:47:13 | [Saint] | Thanks. Perhaps it messed up when it told me it was locked, ...but regardless it wouldn't let me post. |
| 11:47:24 | scorche | probably for the best |
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| 11:47:32 | [Saint] | Heh ;) |
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| 14:37:04 | kugel | what the heck is check_file_thumbnails() in filetree.c doing!? |
| 14:41:09 | kugel | it goes twice through a directory to find .talk files |
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| 14:41:30 | kugel | in the second run it terminates after the first run |
| 14:41:46 | kugel | and it modifies d_name of the dirent struct!!! |
| 14:43:11 | kugel | s/in the second run it terminates after the first run// |
| 14:44:04 | kugel | this function seems like utter crap |
| 14:46:22 | kugel | the question is why it even does the second run and why it modifies dirent |
| 14:46:29 | kugel | the code goes back to 2005 :( |
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| 14:55:57 | kugel | hm, the first run adds FILE_ATTR_THUMBNAIL to .talk files. the second run adds FILE_ATTR_THUMBNAIL to the corresponding file/dir and strips of the .talk extension :\ |
| 14:56:04 | * | kugel thinks the second run is entirely wrong |
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| 17:21:38 | asper | ho guys |
| 17:21:52 | asper | I just received a sansa fuze v1 and the firmware is different form those ones: |
| 17:22:01 | asper | <a target="_blank" href="http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/amsfw.html#fuze">http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/amsfw.html#fuzea> |
| 17:22:06 | asper | how can I dump it ? |
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| 17:36:56 | saratoga | asper: you can't |
| 17:37:01 | saratoga | what firmware do you have? |
| 17:39:59 | evilnick | I'm running rockboxdev.sh to install the crosscompiler to build Android builds, which target arch would that be? |
| 17:40:24 | asper | 1.02.26F |
| 17:40:43 | gevaerts | evilnick: android goes through another script |
| 17:40:48 | asper | and another thing: using rockbox utility I get a mountpoint error |
| 17:40:55 | asper | should I try manual install ? |
| 17:41:07 | gevaerts | evilnick: android/installToolchain.sh |
| 17:41:09 | drezon | evilnick: you need the NDK and SDK from google |
| 17:41:23 | gevaerts | asper: no, just set the mountpoint manually |
| 17:41:37 | asper | tryed but I get a mountpoint error |
| 17:41:42 | drezon | ah, there is a script for android now? i installed everything manually |
| 17:42:15 | gomsemari | I've tried running rockbox on android emulator, but it force close after rockbox logo flashed. Do I need some special settings for AVD? |
| 17:42:18 | gevaerts | asper: then you set it wrong |
| 17:43:06 | asper | wow ! |
| 17:43:14 | asper | after 2-3 challenges it worked ! |
| 17:43:16 | evilnick | gevaerts: Thanks for that |
| 17:43:23 | asper | automatically... dunno why ! |
| 17:43:35 | asper | maybe when I set MSC i must restart the player ? |
| 17:44:34 | asper | and 1 last question: what button must I press in order to boot into original firmware ? |
| 17:50:15 | asper | ok the left button :P |
| 17:50:59 | gevaerts | The manual mentions that |
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| 17:54:37 | asper | look inside the forum, did not find in themanual but probably my falut |
| 17:54:39 | asper | works great ! |
| 17:54:46 | JonSumisu | hi! |
| 17:55:02 | asper | I already have it installed in archos recorder 10, 3 sansa and Samsung Galaxy S (Android) |
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| 17:55:41 | JonSumisu | Can someone help me figure this out? |
| 17:56:15 | [Saint] | I'm not sure InstallToolchain.sh actually points to the correct S/NDK |
| 17:56:25 | [Saint] | Its better to get them straight from Google |
| 17:56:29 | JonSumisu | For some time now, my Rockbox installation has been showing a directory named .<black square>fmt_title and other variations inside every directory I go into. |
| 17:56:29 | saratoga | JonSumisu: if you have a question just ask it... |
| 17:56:41 | [Saint] | Installtoolchain.sh doesn't do any special magic. |
| 17:57:01 | saratoga | JonSumisu: do you mean the database? |
| 17:57:07 | JonSumisu | No, the file browser. |
| 17:57:22 | saratoga | IIRC the fmt_title is from the database browser |
| 17:57:36 | saratoga | hmm ok could just be a cooincidence |
| 17:57:43 | gevaerts | asper: the manual is linked to from the sidebar, both from the main page and the forums |
| 17:58:24 | JonSumisu | It changes when I update Rockbox - for example now it's .<three outlined squares>fmt_titl<one black square> |
| 17:58:42 | [Saint] | <a target="_blank" href="http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-build.html">http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-build.htmla> |
| 17:58:51 | [Saint] | Fuze V1 manual ^ |
| 17:59:07 | saratoga | I guess check the disk for errors, could be that the file system has had random crap added to it |
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| 18:00:10 | [Saint] | randon_named_dir is a classic symptom of a trashed FS. |
| 18:00:26 | JonSumisu | the directory also appears on the SD card |
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| 18:00:35 | JonSumisu | and only in Rockbox. |
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| 18:00:48 | asper | thank you man ! I am reading it just right now |
| 18:01:13 | JonSumisu | checking the main memory with MS ScanDisk didn't reveal anything |
| 18:01:16 | asper | 37 euros for a Fuze v1 8giga is a high price ? |
| 18:02:25 | [Saint] | JonSumisu: In that case, it might pay to backup your config.cfg (if you want to keep your settings) and un/re-install Rockbox. |
| 18:03:09 | JonSumisu | I tried replacing the Rockbox binary and the secondary .config files, didn't help |
| 18:03:29 | drezon | asper: new? |
| 18:04:01 | amiconn | kugel: The special file attribute bits are set in order to avoid spinning the disk to check for .talk files every time |
| 18:04:27 | saratoga | you're sure this is the file browser? i can't think of any way you'd have the same corruption on two different storage devices |
| 18:04:45 | amiconn | This only has a real effect if dircache isn't enabled, or not available at all |
| 18:05:12 | asper | no refurbished |
| 18:05:34 | JonSumisu | I'm 100% sure, the database GUI won't show the OF system dirs. |
| 18:05:44 | JonSumisu | and I haven't even enabled the DB |
| 18:05:56 | asper | no manual, no cd, only fuze+cable+earphones |
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| 18:06:20 | drezon | if it is really refurbished (by the manufacturer) still a good price I'd say |
| 18:06:58 | asper | Good ! Bought from USA shipped to italy in 2 weeks - no custom costs |
| 18:07:01 | saratoga | its possible some software on your computer creates those folders and then sets them as hidden |
| 18:07:22 | JonSumisu | I configured Windows Explorer to show hidden directories. |
| 18:07:25 | saratoga | i know macs tend to create lots of .<random letters> folders that are invisible on lots of computers |
| 18:07:32 | asper | this is it: <a target="_blank" href="http://cgi.ebay.it/Sandisk-Sansa-Fuse-8GB-BLACK-Video-MP3-Player-/310312390640?pt=Other_MP3_Players&hash=item48400f4ff0">http://cgi.ebay.it/Sandisk-Sansa-Fuse-8GB-BLACK-Video-MP3-Player-/310312390640?pt=Other_MP3_Players&hash=item48400f4ff0a> |
| 18:07:49 | JonSumisu | and to be sure, I can export the DAP to a Linux VM |
| 18:08:03 | asper | (shipping was only 7 euros) |
| 18:09:38 | asper | Oh well I also made a test: I removed my old sansa e200 memory (8giga) and replaced it in my (other) old sansa e200 |
| 18:09:53 | asper | all 8gb mp3 were there and working without any firmware modifications ! |
| 18:10:10 | asper | the other sansa e200 was a 4gb model |
| 18:10:24 | asper | so sansa e200 memory pcb is interchangable between sansa ! |
| 18:10:32 | asper | I think this is not written in the docs |
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| 18:11:10 | asper | and is easy to do ! There is a simple solid connector to "connect" |
| 18:11:24 | asper | some people were selling sansa memory-only pcb on ebay |
| 18:11:39 | asper | really cheap for a good upgrade ! |
| 18:12:56 | asper | (now my fuze firmware is 1.02.031F so I lost the older firmware |
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| 18:23:27 | JonSumisu | It seems not to be filesystem corruption - that directory shows up only on that DAP, only in Rockbox. |
| 18:24:45 | asper | here they are |
| 18:24:46 | asper | <a target="_blank" href="http://cgi.ebay.it/SanDisk-Sansa-e200-e250-e260-e270-e280-2GB-2-gb-Memory-/400118210290?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item5d28e75ef2#ht_1306wt_1139">http://cgi.ebay.it/SanDisk-Sansa-e200-e250-e260-e270-e280-2GB-2-gb-Memory-/400118210290?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item5d28e75ef2#ht_1306wt_1139a> |
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| 18:33:22 | JonSumisu | Reinstalling Rockbox made the directory disappear. |
| 18:33:28 | JonSumisu | Thank you all for your advice! |
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| 18:40:03 | evilnick | kugel: I'm having some problems running ./installToolchain.sh |
| 18:40:10 | gomsemari | Do I need Google API installed to run rockbox on Android emulator? |
| 18:40:19 | evilnick | Namely: ./installToolchain.sh: line 83: /home/evilnick/android-sdk-linux_x86/tools/android: No such file or directory |
| 18:40:22 | kugel | why does everyone ping me for that script? I didn't write it :( |
| 18:40:59 | [Saint] | evilnick: I said earlier, but maybe you didn't see it...it's better to just not use that script. |
| 18:40:59 | evilnick | Who did write it? |
| 18:41:18 | [Saint] | get the S/NDK from google directly, and run ./android from the SDK/tools dir |
| 18:41:34 | evilnick | And sorry :) |
| 18:41:47 | drezon | Yep, can confirm. That's what I did and it worked like a charm |
| 18:42:01 | drezon | Well almost |
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| 20:29:32 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30168): rk27xx - use more correct function to map between percived lightness and PWM fill factor when setting backlight brightness |
| 20:32:45 | CIA-14 | r30168 build result: 0 errors, 1 warnings (wodz committed) |
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| 21:01:54 | wodz | Heh, my cheap rk27xx device not only miss RTC chip. It also doesn't have lithium battery charger IC. It simply charges battery by diode from usb +5V. I hope battery integrated protection circuits work as advertised. |
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| 21:08:48 | bertrik | wodz, wow, really? |
| 21:11:17 | wodz | yeah. It connects battery to USB +5V through 1n5819 diode and ~2ohm limiting resistor |
| 21:12:11 | wodz | that explains why I had adc readings ~4.6V on battery with usb connected |
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| 21:13:21 | bertrik | wodz, it's a bit reckless by the manufacturer to do it like that IMO |
| 21:13:49 | bertrik | BTW, maybe you can solder in an RTC yourself :) |
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| 21:14:30 | wodz | I guess this is no problem If I find pcf8563/hym8563 locally |
| 21:15:18 | bertrik | is there just a chip missing (with the traces already routed) or would you have to wire it up yourself? |
| 21:15:50 | wodz | traces are there only IC, xtal and trim capacitors missing |
| 21:16:22 | wodz | the PCB is 100% reference design |
| 21:16:55 | CIA-14 | New commit by alex (r30169): Commit <a target="_blank" href="https://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12188">FS #12188a> - Fix perl scripts that used Switch by Sean Bartell. ... |
| 21:17:34 | * | AlexP waits to see which build clients have ancient perl :) |
| 21:18:22 | wodz | I would much preffer to find ocp8020 charger IC |
| 21:19:43 | CIA-14 | r30169 build result: All green |
| 21:20:09 | AlexP | ah good |
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| 21:23:02 | * | Strife1989 wonders why some of his Vorbis files take longer than usual to load |
| 21:24:59 | y4n | Hello, nothing shows up in the file browser on Clip+ (but the database works and updates) −− is this limit settings related? |
| 21:25:22 | Torne | you have probably accidentally set the "SHow Files" seting to playlists, or similar |
| 21:25:36 | Torne | it's on the quickscreen so it's fairly easy to do by mistake if you aren't familiar witht he controls |
| 21:25:40 | Torne | change it back to Supported |
| 21:25:44 | y4n | oh |
| 21:25:55 | y4n | right :) |
| 21:25:57 | y4n | thanks, Torne |
| 21:26:04 | Torne | np. |
| 21:26:13 | Torne | People in general: why haven't we taken this off the damn quickscreen yet |
| 21:26:20 | Torne | i know there was debate about what to replace it with |
| 21:26:25 | Torne | but isn't "nothing" an option :) |
| 21:26:27 | AlexP | That I think |
| 21:26:35 | AlexP | It really should have gone |
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| 21:26:47 | Torne | Is it possible to set it to nothing without changing the code? |
| 21:27:00 | AlexP | But yeah, standard arguments about what to put there |
| 21:27:02 | AlexP | Dunno |
| 21:27:12 | * | Torne looks |
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| 21:30:18 | Strife1989 | I don't suppose someone knowledgable with Vorbis files could take a look at one of the files? |
| 21:30:35 | snooffy | hi guys, can anybody help me to unbrick a sansa fuze v1? |
| 21:31:00 | Strife1989 | It was encoded to abr 192 kbps, so I wouldn't think it'd take so long to load up. |
| 21:31:26 | Torne | AlexP: it seems to handle the quickscreen entry being NULL |
| 21:31:59 | AlexP | Torne: Can you set that from the UI? |
| 21:32:07 | Torne | i don't think so |
| 21:32:21 | Torne | It definately works |
| 21:32:23 | AlexP | That might be nice to be able to do |
| 21:32:28 | Torne | it explicitly uses NULL in another place |
| 21:32:34 | Torne | SO yeah, we could just remove the default from teh find_setting call |
| 21:32:38 | Torne | You wouldn't be able to set it *back* to nothing |
| 21:32:44 | Torne | except by editing the config file |
| 21:32:52 | | Part Domonoky1 |
| 21:32:55 | Torne | but it would eliminate it for everyone who hasn't actually got that setting saved in their cfg |
| 21:33:04 | AlexP | yeah |
| 21:33:07 | AlexP | well, fine by me |
| 21:33:18 | AlexP | I suspect somebody will argue though :) |
| 21:33:22 | Torne | hm, apparentlt the top is party mode now? |
| 21:33:28 | Torne | i hadn't oitticed that |
| 21:33:29 | AlexP | really? |
| 21:33:38 | Torne | Looks like the default in teh code |
| 21:33:41 | Torne | THat seems like another bad choice |
| 21:33:45 | Torne | since it prevents track skipping, no? |
| 21:33:48 | AlexP | very |
| 21:33:53 | Torne | WHich is the *second* most common accidental UI blunder |
| 21:34:16 | Torne | I would be strongly inclined to set them both to null and just leave it having shuffle and repeat |
| 21:34:17 | AlexP | Let's put all the settings that fuck about with controls and UI on the quickscreen where they can be easily changed by accident :) |
| 21:34:33 | GodEater | I wonder which numpty did that |
| 21:34:34 | Torne | because shuffle and repeat, at least, have UI elements that tell you when you have enabled them |
| 21:34:41 | GodEater | party mode in quick settings seems very dumb indeed |
| 21:34:53 | Torne | kugel |
| 21:35:02 | Torne | r22532 |
| 21:35:22 | AlexP | well I'd be fine with both being replaced by nothing |
| 21:35:23 | Torne | THat was when it was first introduced that you could have a fourth option |
| 21:35:24 | Strife1989 | Didn't Party Mode already cause a lot of help threads on the forums? |
| 21:35:37 | Torne | Strife1989: yes, possibly only since it appeared on the quickscreen? :) |
| 21:35:38 | AlexP | Strife1989: It has one or two, yeah |
| 21:35:44 | Torne | Previously people would do it by enabling Prevent Track Skipping |
| 21:35:51 | Torne | not realising that this meant you can't skip tracks, not htat tracks don't skip |
| 21:35:52 | Torne | :) |
| 21:35:53 | * | Strife1989 could swear he's seen far more than two. |
| 21:36:20 | Torne | Well, I don't have a player handy |
| 21:36:31 | Torne | I can write you a two line patch and you can try it? |
| 21:36:59 | AlexP | sure |
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| 21:38:08 | Torne | <a target="_blank" href="http://whitefang.wolfpuppy.org.uk/temp/nuke_qs_top_bottom.diff">http://whitefang.wolfpuppy.org.uk/temp/nuke_qs_top_bottom.diffa> |
| 21:38:33 | Torne | If that has no ill effects it should be reasonable |
| 21:38:46 | Torne | It will not affect anyone who has ever set the top or bottom quickscreen setting |
| 21:39:15 | Torne | it should work the same as if you set it to something and then the setting gets removed, i think ;) |
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| 21:50:19 | AlexP | Torne: I reset settings and I appear to have show files top and bottom |
| 21:50:50 | Torne | heh |
| 21:50:55 | Torne | fun :) |
| 21:50:59 | AlexP | yeah :) |
| 21:51:06 | AlexP | my config.cfg is empty too |
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| 21:51:49 | Torne | Ah, hm |
| 21:51:55 | Torne | there are two different places where this gets defaulted |
| 21:52:02 | AlexP | nice :) |
| 21:52:05 | Torne | in the quickscreen code and also in the settings code itself |
| 21:53:00 | Torne | and, hm, i think setting it to null here might cause problems :/ |
| 21:53:04 | Torne | okay maybe not super trivial |
| 21:53:08 | Torne | i will look at it later maybe :) |
| 21:53:12 | AlexP | OK :) |
| 21:53:23 | Torne | maybe just post tot he list and say "pleeease can we just have them removed" :) |
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| 22:13:48 | gevaerts | Anyon around with a 64mb ipod video? |
| 22:14:51 | * | gevaerts has a patch that needs testing |
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| 22:28:40 | gevaerts | hm, can anyone confirm that the battery capacity setting doesn't take effect until a reboot? |
| 22:29:08 | gevaerts | And is that wanted? |
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| 22:41:14 | wodz | Ok, I figured out all substitute ICs to the chinese ones in reference design OCP8020 -> LTC4054 (charger), HYM8563 -> PCF8563 (rtc). Maybe I'll be able to "fill the gap" and have fully functional rk27xx reference design DAP. |
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| 22:48:17 | CIA-14 | New commit by gevaerts (r30170): Set the default battery capacity for ipod video properly depending on detected RAM size. ... |
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| 22:51:26 | bertrik | AlexP, Torne, it wouldn't bother me at all personally, if the quickscreen was removed entirely .. :) |
| 22:51:27 | CIA-14 | r30170 build result: 10 errors, 224 warnings (gevaerts committed) |
| 22:51:39 | Torne | bertrik: that's actually controversial though :) |
| 22:52:18 | wodz | nice score :-) |
| 22:56:00 | CIA-14 | New commit by gevaerts (r30171): Disable ipod video battery capacity default detection for bootloader and simulator |
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| 22:56:20 | bertrik | my alternative IAP doesn't work so bad, excepts IAP seems to stop working the instant I look at the IAP debug info in the debug menu |
| 22:56:22 | gevaerts | That should do it |
| 22:56:49 | AlexP | bertrik: That's OK, the debug menu says not to go into it anyway :) |
| 22:58:40 | CIA-14 | r30171 build result: 0 errors, 1 warnings (gevaerts committed) |
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| 23:01:35 | bertrik | hah, revenge of the -Wunused-but-set-variable |
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| 23:05:25 | edhelas | hye :) |
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| 23:06:31 | CIA-14 | New commit by gevaerts (r30172): Fix "variable 'result' set but not used" warning |
| 23:06:58 | edhelas | i try to apply this patch <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5111">http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5111a> but didn't succed :( |
| 23:07:42 | bertrik | I think something's wrong with the patch, it wouldn't apply for me either |
| 23:09:08 | CIA-14 | r30172 build result: All green |
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| 23:11:01 | edhelas | :/ |
| 23:11:39 | edhelas | I hope that one day the piezo will be enabled in rockbox ^^ |
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| 23:14:07 | gevaerts | Torne: it would be nice if you could confirm one of these days that the default battery capacity is now actually correct for you |
| 23:14:23 | Torne | gevaerts: I shall try and do so, but can't today |
| 23:14:28 | gevaerts | No hurry |
| 23:14:29 | Torne | prod me on some random GMT evening |
| 23:14:42 | * | gevaerts will try to remember :) |
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| 23:19:48 | bertrik | IAP on the nano 1g with a cheapie radio/remote works like crap |
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| 23:26:01 | edhelas | yeah tha patch works :D |
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