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| 05:37:37 | guax3 | Hello I have a newbie question, I wish to start trying coding for rockbox, I've did a couple things on c++/sdl, that's the closest i can get. I think I can handle the transition to C, my question is: If I wanted to learn assembler, where should I go? Is it worth to learn even if you're not a computer scientist? How much (percentile wise) additional performance can you get by putting a C program in assembly or at least the most heavy parts of the code? |
| 05:38:59 | evilnick | AFAIK, most of the ASM is for the stuff that's talking directly to the hardware, you should be fine with C at least to begin with |
| 05:39:13 | * | evilnick waits for more knowledgeable people to chime in |
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| 05:43:32 | guax3 | thanks for trying evilnick but that doesn't answer any of my questions |
| 05:43:39 | guax3 | lets wait |
| 05:44:48 | Llorean | guax3: It asked the "is it worth to learn" bit. |
| 05:44:53 | Llorean | Er, answered that bit rather |
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| 05:46:07 | Llorean | As to performance increases, that depends an awful lot on the efficiency of the compiler itself. We've seen some pretty significant gains from optimized ASM over existing C code in codecs and such. But for most tasks that aren't extremely performance critical, there's probably not much benefit. |
| 05:46:15 | evilnick | If you've used C++ before then I'd imagine that you could dive in and understand lots of the code as-is |
| 05:46:43 | Llorean | If you've done C++ a large part of C is learning what you're not allowed to do any more. :) |
| 05:47:16 | evilnick | :) |
| 05:48:42 | guax3 | yeah yaah, C is good and all. I just wanted to know any assembler enthusiasts would be ready to get me motivated to learn it and all... that was the point of the whole thing... Nice talking to you guys, just sending the love |
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| 05:56:35 | JdGordon | guax3: forget about asm... what parts of rockbox interest you? |
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| 05:58:52 | guax3 | Well... As anyone just starting out, plugins... but when I'm starting something I like to gather the information for beginner/pro level, and then I start the basics, I'm just a curious, lazy guy, I know It will be C all the way... |
| 05:59:58 | JdGordon | ok, then yes, you only need C |
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| 06:00:11 | JdGordon | I dont think i've written any asm for rockbox and i've been here nearly 6 years! |
| 06:00:23 | JdGordon | find an itch and scratch it |
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| 06:05:09 | guax3 | yeah yeah, that's a really nice advice dude, I think i will write it on my wall, maybe that's my itch right now, how to mess up with assembly and stuff, You guys are all very pleasant guys, thanks for everything... |
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| 07:06:10 | Cptn_Sandwich | hi, is there a way to explore the lua api more interactively, through an interpreter? |
| 07:06:40 | Cptn_Sandwich | is there any documentation on what the functions do or do i have to look at the c source to figure that out |
| 07:08:32 | JdGordon | I beleive there is a autogenerated php file somewhere to get a nicer view |
| 07:09:49 | Cptn_Sandwich | JdGordon: do you know where to find it? i tried google before coming here of course. nice search terms would be enough |
| 07:10:45 | JdGordon | no clue |
| 07:10:52 | JdGordon | gimme a min |
| 07:11:54 | JdGordon | Cptn_Sandwich: utils/rockbox_api |
| 07:11:59 | JdGordon | there is a README in there |
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| 07:13:06 | Cptn_Sandwich | in the source code? |
| 07:13:11 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 07:13:23 | Cptn_Sandwich | ok, thanks |
| 07:13:36 | wodz | this comes again and again :-) We are terribly lacking in documenting rockbox codebase |
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| 07:15:34 | Cptn_Sandwich | i had my hopes up i could get into simple rockbox development with the lua api, maybe its better the other way round |
| 07:16:10 | JdGordon | lua is just plugins so not much worht playing with if you want to play with the fun bits in rockbox |
| 07:17:45 | Cptn_Sandwich | in utils/rockbox_api i have to generate the html first right? |
| 07:18:21 | JdGordon | probably, read the README |
| 07:18:31 | JdGordon | the guy who wrote that hasnt been around for a while |
| 07:18:42 | Cptn_Sandwich | now i did that |
| 07:20:11 | Cptn_Sandwich | hmm, doesnt really work |
| 07:20:48 | wodz | speaking about the guy who wanted to learn ASM (earlier today) - I wonder if he realizes that there is no something as single ASM |
| 07:21:01 | Cptn_Sandwich | what is asm |
| 07:21:06 | wodz | assembler |
| 07:23:03 | Cptn_Sandwich | but i found it online |
| 07:23:27 | Cptn_Sandwich | but the assembling languages do share some concepts right? |
| 07:24:11 | Cptn_Sandwich | also i found a generated version of that rockbox api on the website |
| 07:24:23 | JdGordon | it depends on the architecture |
| 07:24:42 | JdGordon | asm is a broad term to describe the just-about-lowest level you can get to the actual hardware |
| 07:25:23 | wodz | Cptn_Sandwich: Sure but this is useless. The point of asm is to explore particular hardware capabilities (read it as quirks, oddies and so on) |
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| 07:26:42 | [Saint] | What are the available make commands for the SDL port? I know of "make install", but that's not really what I want. Is there a way to compile s standalong binary? |
| 07:26:50 | [Saint] | *standalone |
| 07:29:00 | wodz | make bin I suppose |
| 07:29:03 | JdGordon | make bin |
| 07:29:09 | JdGordon | make zip should also work |
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| 07:29:26 | Cptn_Sandwich | isnt there even a function to get the current volume setting? |
| 07:29:28 | JdGordon | you still need to do sudo make install for it to actually work though |
| 07:29:47 | JdGordon | codecs and stuff all expect it installed in the $PREFIX dir (change on the configure line iirc) |
| 07:30:07 | [Saint] | Oh....right :/ |
| 07:30:13 | [Saint] | Dammit, oh well. |
| 07:30:27 | JdGordon | you might be able to change it to "./" |
| 07:30:42 | JdGordon | which would make it more self contained to one directory |
| 07:30:57 | [Saint] | I was really hoping for a standalone binary that I could pick up and move about as I pleased. |
| 07:31:07 | [Saint] | Everything in one nice neat package, but that's ok. |
| 07:32:12 | JdGordon | if that is something we really want I bet it wouldnt be too hard to make happen |
| 07:32:34 | JdGordon | we already reroute the /.rockbox/ fopen() so we could just change that to a buffer inside the binary |
| 07:32:38 | [Saint] | Its not withing my ability, I know that much. |
| 07:32:47 | [Saint] | But yes, I would definitely appreciate it. |
| 07:33:06 | [Saint] | Its actually the direction I thought the SDL app was going in. |
| 07:33:14 | [Saint] | *within |
| 07:34:28 | [Saint] | I figure that way I could easily have different SDL apps for different screen sizes, that I could move about as I pleased. Making testing themes a lot easier. |
| 07:34:44 | [Saint] | It would also make a damn fine desktop media player. |
| 07:35:27 | wodz | but you can have different bins for different resolutions sharing common codecs and so on. |
| 07:35:34 | JdGordon | yep |
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| 07:37:00 | Cptn_Sandwich | how do i get the current volume setting or any other setting? |
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| 07:41:38 | wodz | JdGordon, [Saint]: could you help me with basic keymap for rk27xx generic dap? It has really limited number of keys, namely: FF, REW, M, BACK/VOL, PLAY. I can't think of any reasonable scheme |
| 07:42:09 | JdGordon | you proabbly want to look at the player keymap |
| 07:42:22 | JdGordon | and/or the ondio's |
| 07:42:28 | JdGordon | they are the most limited keymaps |
| 07:42:52 | wodz | player has 6 keys |
| 07:43:59 | [Saint] | not taking plugins into account. All you really need defined is FF/REW/PLAY |
| 07:44:26 | wodz | I have trouble with volume |
| 07:44:38 | [Saint] | that's all you should need for playback and menu navigation at least. |
| 07:44:49 | [Saint] | Oh, right...volume. |
| 07:44:52 | [Saint] | Hmmm. |
| 07:45:42 | wodz | in OF BACK/VOL serves as modifier - after pressing you can change vol with << and >> for certain amount of time and than it timeouts and backs to normal operation |
| 07:46:11 | [Saint] | Oh...that's, interesting. |
| 07:46:42 | JdGordon | can it do combos? |
| 07:46:44 | [Saint] | what is "M" key? |
| 07:46:47 | Cptn_Sandwich | in c there is a function called find setting apparently |
| 07:46:59 | JdGordon | sounds like we need a pic of the targets button layout |
| 07:47:08 | * | [Saint] nods. |
| 07:47:20 | JdGordon | Cptn_Sandwich: yeah, lua shouldnt have access to it |
| 07:47:31 | wodz | M stands for menu |
| 07:47:55 | Cptn_Sandwich | JdGordon: why not? all i want to build is a simple fade out sleep timer for christ's sake |
| 07:48:06 | JdGordon | ah, so it does |
| 07:48:17 | JdGordon | that isnt what you want though |
| 07:48:31 | wodz | on the top edge of the player you have: REW FF PLAY VOL/BACK M |
| 07:48:33 | JdGordon | and language.... |
| 07:48:39 | Cptn_Sandwich | sry |
| 07:48:43 | JdGordon | wodz: no camera? :) |
| 07:48:47 | wodz | no |
| 07:49:08 | wodz | 2708 and up has VIP I think |
| 07:49:56 | wodz | anyway who need crapy camera in DAP :-) |
| 07:50:09 | JdGordon | in your phone :) |
| 07:50:23 | [Saint] | No, to take a photo, so we can suggest a layout ;) |
| 07:50:37 | JdGordon | http://mympx.org/Gallery/p17_sectionid/3/p17_imageid/57 ? |
| 07:50:53 | JdGordon | that is a REALLY SHIT layout :p |
| 07:51:06 | [Saint] | language.... |
| 07:51:07 | [Saint] | :P |
| 07:52:30 | JdGordon | wodz: can you do vol+|<< combo? |
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| 07:54:24 | wodz | http://www.favordeals.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=17381&language=en |
| 07:54:56 | wodz | JdGordon: I can, but this is rather inconvenient |
| 07:55:31 | JdGordon | oh thats even worse! |
| 07:55:55 | JdGordon | its not a touchscreen is it? |
| 07:56:04 | wodz | it is not |
| 07:56:29 | JdGordon | you're screwed :) |
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| 08:01:52 | PurlingNayuki | Is |
| 08:02:19 | PurlingNayuki | Is it true that Rockbox can only have 16bit PCM output? |
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| 08:07:11 | wodz | PurlingNayuki: that what all codecs I know of expect |
| 08:07:37 | wodz | PurlingNayuki: internally dsp code uses 24bits I think (but might be wrong) |
| 08:09:26 | PurlingNayuki | I found that if I play a 24bit-music file, the output is still 16Bit. |
| 08:09:34 | PurlingNayuki | Both on D2 and VX747. |
| 08:10:35 | PurlingNayuki | Is it the fault of the codec, or Rockbox? |
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| 08:13:40 | wodz | I don't know this DAP so can't tell for sure. But in many cases 16bit sample is the hardware limit of what codec expects |
| 08:15:52 | wodz | ok Wolfson codecs can be configured to take 24 and in some formats 32bit samples but this is rather unusual |
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| 08:19:07 | PurlingNayuki | Please |
| 08:19:21 | PurlingNayuki | Please tell me how to configure it. |
| 08:19:25 | [Saint] | the Nano2G can handle 24bit output iiuc. |
| 08:19:42 | * | PurlingNayuki will be very thankful if you tell how to. |
| 08:19:48 | wodz | [Saint]: sure - it uses Wolfson codec :-) |
| 08:20:50 | wodz | PurlingNayuki: I think playback engine of rb assumes 16bit but someone more skilled in this area should confirm. |
| 08:21:09 | wodz | Anyway the question is would you hear the difference |
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| 08:22:03 | * | [Saint] wonders how hard it would be to rid the USB Screen of the nasty, nasty, nasty sysfont. |
| 08:22:26 | PurlingNayuki | For me, no. But for many other people, they will surely say 'Yes if you have professional equipment'. |
| 08:23:01 | PurlingNayuki | Though, I really want to know more about how the palyback engine works, more than that in docs. |
| 08:23:16 | wodz | sure but to here the difference they will tell you to use interconnect for $1000000. |
| 08:23:43 | PurlingNayuki | Of course they will :) |
| 08:23:53 | wodz | f@#$ them :-) |
| 08:23:59 | [Saint] | Talk to JHsMikes |
| 08:24:16 | [Saint] | he probably knows the most of the playback engine currently that anyone else does. |
| 08:32:19 | PurlingNayuki | Thank you very much. |
| 08:32:32 | PurlingNayuki | Wait, how can I find him? |
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| 09:57:44 | * | [Saint] wonders why the currently applied theme is not highlighted (by the line selector) when entering Settings - Theme Settings - Browse Theme Files |
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| 09:58:46 | [Saint] | While Playing Screen, Radio Screen and Base Skin all do highlight the currently applied selection. |
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| 10:00:57 | [Saint] | I'm *fairly* confident that the current theme /was/ highlighted, at some point, many moons ago...but I have no idea when that was. If it actually was. |
| 10:01:41 | n1s | i'm pretty sure we never had that |
| 10:01:59 | [Saint] | Judging by the other theme selections behaviour (Base Skin, Radio Screen, WPS) its a fairly solid guess to say that it indeed was highlighted as I seem to remember and broke at some stage. |
| 10:02:23 | n1s | theme is trickier since the theme cfg isn't actually in use |
| 10:02:24 | [Saint] | I could of course be quite mistaken ;) |
| 10:03:54 | [Saint] | It would be useful if the current theme was highlighted, though. And if a part of it was changed after the theme was applied, ie loading a theme and then selecting another base skin for example, displaying "Custom" in the Settings - Theme Settings - Browse Theme Files menu. |
| 10:04:01 | [Saint] | Would that be possible? |
| 10:04:35 | n1s | probablt |
| 10:04:40 | n1s | probably |
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| 10:05:02 | [Saint] | Sounds good. I've no idea how to achieve this myself, though ;) |
| 10:05:26 | n1s | it would no longer be a simple file browser then so it might be a bit of work |
| 10:05:54 | [Saint] | Yes, I was just thinking that. It would need a lot more awareness of the theme.cfg |
| 10:06:23 | [Saint] | Its a nice little project for Mr. Someone ;) |
| 10:08:01 | * | [Saint] is annoyed by the way the "Building Database...XXXX found (PREV to return)" splash dances around the screen. |
| 10:08:40 | [Saint] | well, its vertical position does not change, but its width does. And it looks nuts! |
| 10:10:10 | [Saint] | The splash should be centered, and just take up the whole width of the LCD. Switching back and forth between widths looks mental as if the width changes the previous splash isn't cleared from view and a smaller instance is drawn overtop. |
| 10:10:57 | [Saint] | The result is a rapidly flashing, incredibly hard to read splash. |
| 10:11:56 | * | [Saint] seems to recall JdGordon having a "fix" for this...or, perhaps the way it is now *is* the fix (I kinda hope not). :-S |
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| 13:07:16 | Cptn_Sandwich | you know what would be really nice? a lua api to settings and playback |
| 13:08:19 | gbl08ma | Actually you can control playback from lua (like C plugins do), but settings not. |
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| 13:09:09 | gbl08ma | I think settings API would be nice, it'd allow me to write a script that, when run, changes settings according to e.g. the time of the day |
| 13:09:10 | Cptn_Sandwich | settings was the thing i cared about. i wanted to write a sleep timer that gradually fades out the music |
| 13:09:36 | Cptn_Sandwich | exactly. then lua could do something useful and system-related |
| 13:09:50 | Cptn_Sandwich | not just games and directory cleaners |
| 13:11:20 | Cptn_Sandwich | unfortunately i dont know enough c or rockbox codebase to implement it |
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| 13:15:45 | gbl08ma | we would need to modify the plugin API I guess |
| 13:16:24 | gbl08ma | the plugin API for C plugins is the same (or very similar) as the API for lua scripts |
| 13:16:43 | Cptn_Sandwich | but there is an additional "playback control" helper menu |
| 13:16:58 | Cptn_Sandwich | which uses black magic to change volume |
| 13:18:32 | gbl08ma | it's not black magic |
| 13:18:59 | gbl08ma | the C code for these menus simply calls the volume menu. it's easy as it's all a C array IIRC |
| 13:19:19 | gbl08ma | but I don't think we can call these menus from LUA |
| 13:19:43 | gbl08ma | anyways, volume is related to playback so it is accessible to lua IIRC |
| 13:19:56 | Cptn_Sandwich | could you tell me how? |
| 13:20:03 | Cptn_Sandwich | and how to get current volume |
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| 13:20:18 | AlexP | You can always extend it |
| 13:20:52 | Cptn_Sandwich | in theory |
| 13:21:09 | Cptn_Sandwich | i just dont know enough c or about how that lua stack thing works etc |
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| 13:26:40 | CIA-14 | New commit by learman (r30191): Update Swedish translation. |
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| 13:28:07 | evilnick | Just when I thought that the Android build couldn't get any cooler... I discover the widget(s)... Nice work again, all! :) |
| 13:29:06 | AlexP | Oh, for Rockbox :) |
| 13:30:17 | CIA-14 | r30191 build result: All green |
| 13:30:27 | evilnick | Yeah, not even having to switch to the background app? Brilliant :) |
| 13:33:55 | pamaury | yeah, back to imx233 hacking to make sd card work :-/ |
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| 14:04:05 | [Saint] | gbl08ma: Regarding setting/LUA/time of day... |
| 14:04:22 | [Saint] | Couldn't you just launch a .cfg with an LUA plugin? |
| 14:04:40 | [Saint] | that way LUA need not access settings directly. |
| 14:05:20 | gbl08ma | How to launch a file with LUA? I already wondered about that... |
| 14:05:35 | [Saint] | then you could just have a folder ful of config files for specific times of day that you can edit, and point the plugin to that. |
| 14:05:52 | [Saint] | I'm not sure if its possible, actually. Just thinking out loud. |
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| 14:31:15 | evilnick | [Saint]: What revision was that Andoid build that you made for me? |
| 14:31:42 | [Saint] | evilnick: 30190 |
| 14:32:39 | evilnick | Cool - well 30166 works fine for me, so I'll revert to that one for now and try copying your theme over THAT build |
| 14:33:32 | evilnick | For the logs: Oops, and thanks to AlexP for pointing out the mistake and kugel for the fix :S |
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| 14:33:57 | AlexP | evilnick: Maybe not if it still FCs - the fix was in 30190 |
| 14:36:55 | [Saint] | Oh...hmmmm, whoops. I might rebuild. Seems that 30190 didn't merge correctly. |
| 14:37:11 | [Saint] | Will be interesting to see if it fixes the FC problem for evilnick. |
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| 14:40:27 | [Saint] | so...yeah. Expect me to pester you with another build evilnick, but depending on what the time is for you would you rather I emailed it to you? The build will take a while (I have ~10 targets to build from a "make clean"), and I have some real life to attend to also. |
| 14:41:25 | evilnick | Email is probably best, I can pootle off and get some food and then install once I get the mail |
| 14:41:29 | evilnick | Thanks, btw |
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| 14:42:12 | [Saint] | No worries. None at all. |
| 14:47:22 | lasser | gbl08ma: hi! With looking at other lua plugins I succeeded a little bit. http://pastebin.com/JmYSjtqD |
| 14:47:48 | lasser | But still can't 'write' on the screen, must use rb.splash |
| 14:48:22 | evilnick | [Saint]: To add to the woes, when I select DEFAULT as my theme (with the older build that does start) then it says Settings loaded, but the theme remains as cabbiev2 |
| 14:48:52 | [Saint] | ....interesting. |
| 14:49:21 | evilnick | No viewport changes on the list, the wps looks the same as it does by default (note the casing :)) |
| 14:52:18 | gbl08ma | lasser: great! I don't remember how to write on the screen, but there's a way |
| 14:55:08 | lasser | gbl08ma: perhaps some other folks can remember ... |
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| 17:45:09 | CIA-14 | New commit by pamaury (r30192): sbtools: add missing cariage return, implement boot mode command, add C++ style comments support |
| 17:45:43 | CIA-14 | New commit by pamaury (r30193): imx233/fuze+: gives bootloader argument to main |
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| 17:46:22 | * | evilnick reports back that the Force Close fix has indeed fixed having to Force Close on the Android build |
| 17:49:01 | CIA-14 | r30192 build result: All green |
| 17:52:04 | CIA-14 | r30196 build result: All green |
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| 18:13:40 | Peaceful1 | Rockbox ftw |
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| 18:28:39 | pamaury | None currently but we never know :) The sb file format allows you to do so |
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| 18:57:06 | [Saint] | Anyone around that's familiar with the SDL App? |
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| 18:57:41 | [Saint] | I'd like to know where to put a theme, if I wanted to load one on it. |
| 18:58:59 | gbl08ma | are you talking about the simulators? I think it's as simple as putting the theme files on the nand folder, inside .rockbox/themes and ./rockbox wps like you would do on a real device |
| 18:59:28 | [Saint] | Not the sim, no. |
| 18:59:43 | [Saint] | the SDl app. |
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| 19:04:17 | [Saint] | Aha...grep is my friend \o/ |
| 19:04:34 | [Saint] | usr/local/share/rockbox... |
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| 19:13:38 | pamaury | wtf !! |
| 19:13:39 | pamaury | #if defined(HAVE_HOTSWAP) && !(CONFIG_STORAGE & STORAGE_MMC) /* A better condition ?? */ |
| 19:13:39 | pamaury | void fat_lock(void) |
| 19:13:54 | pamaury | this is not the same condition as in the header ! |
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| 19:32:32 | lasser | gbl08ma: The helloworld.lua has a helper function which acts like printf() Very useful :-) http://pastebin.com/R37vsj6e |
| 19:33:09 | lasser | a timer would be nice... |
| 19:33:55 | lasser | You asked to share the code: Put it in your archive if you want :-) |
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| 19:47:19 | gbl08ma | lasser: I see no printf() in that script you pointed me |
| 19:50:34 | lasser | gbl08ma: uuhrghh... copy & paste... hopefully this one is correct now: http://pastebin.com/a799B3aW |
| 19:53:05 | gbl08ma | lasser: unfortunately this won't work on my player, I don't have so many keys, like A-B and Abort (or they are difficult to trigger, e.g. through press&hold) |
| 19:53:27 | gbl08ma | anyways, good work! specially for someone who had never worked with lua before :) |
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| 19:57:22 | lasser | gbl08ma: it's no surprise that it doesn't work on much other players. Generalizing this script is much too complicated for me. But thanks for your kind words! |
| 19:58:15 | gbl08ma | the syntax is correct, it's just a matter of changing the keymaps for other players than the H300 |
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| 20:00:27 | lasser | yes, but how should the script figure out on which player it runs? |
| 20:04:02 | kugel | [Saint]: $HOME/.config/rockbox.orgh |
| 20:04:06 | kugel | org* |
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| 20:06:54 | robin0800 | sorry wrong channel |
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| 20:16:55 | [Saint] | kugel: Errrr...what? |
| 20:17:13 | kugel | re: where to put themes in the sdl app |
| 20:18:03 | [Saint] | Seems we have different setups then. I let everything run as default settings, and themes etc. are placed in /usr/local/share/rockbox |
| 20:18:37 | [Saint] | with the binary in usr/local/bin (not surprisingly) |
| 20:18:58 | kugel | that's where the installation puts stuff indeed |
| 20:19:28 | kugel | but user configuration (and everything else that's not shipped) is placed under $HOME/.config/rockbox.org |
| 20:19:55 | kugel | because users cannot normally write to non-$HOME |
| 20:20:37 | kugel | that's just the way it works on unix (and windows too) |
| 20:20:52 | [Saint] | I did "chown -R username path/to/rockbox/" ;) |
| 20:21:08 | [Saint] | But yes, the method you point out is a lot easier, thanks |
| 20:21:22 | kugel | it's the only possibility for many people |
| 20:21:43 | kugel | while sudo works you often cannot use it :) |
| 20:22:48 | kugel | [Saint]: it's analog to /data/.../rockbox and /sdcard/rockbox on android |
| 20:25:21 | pamaury | how is bmp.h supposed to exists ? (I'm trying to compile apps/ for the fuze+) |
| 20:26:31 | kugel | pamaury: try "make <path-to-output-file> V=1" |
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| 20:27:28 | kugel | although, i don't havet this file in a sim build for fuze |
| 20:27:36 | pamaury | how can this help ? |
| 20:27:42 | kugel | (not generated) |
| 20:27:51 | pamaury | I only know I need this file, but I don't know how it's generated |
| 20:28:14 | kugel | right, I just figured it isn't generated :) |
| 20:28:58 | kugel | it's in apps/recorder/, I think you need to add recorder to appextra in configure |
| 20:28:58 | pamaury | weird, how does this work :-/ |
| 20:29:32 | kugel | if it was generated "make $PWD/bmp.h V=1" would have shown you the command to generate it |
| 20:30:39 | pamaury | thanks, indeed I don't have recorder in appextra, a bit weird |
| 20:30:58 | saratoga | i've tagged a 4.0 Sansa clip+ bootloader binary, is the procedure to tag it in SVN really as simple as copying this line: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BootloaderRelease |
| 20:31:07 | saratoga | i don't want to screw up the repo |
| 20:31:34 | saratoga | actually maybe 3.1 would be better if all it does is fix an issue on the Clip+ |
| 20:31:34 | kugel | saratoga: that page is right |
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| 20:32:00 | pamaury | fuck, I'm pretty sure I will hit all the broken mmc define of rockbox |
| 20:32:28 | kugel | pamaury: that seems likely :) |
| 20:32:53 | kugel | many MMC defines I've seen are actually ondio defines (because only their mmc is so horribly slow) |
| 20:33:26 | pamaury | lots of places assume something like sd => !mmc or similar weirdness |
| 20:33:38 | pamaury | or mmc => !whatyouwant |
| 20:34:57 | saratoga | isn't mmc basically SD in a different package? |
| 20:35:31 | pamaury | not really |
| 20:35:45 | pamaury | first SD is basically an old mmc in a card |
| 20:35:58 | pamaury | second MMC and SD diverged quite strongly |
| 20:36:19 | pamaury | only the eletrical part is similar if you don't consider things are dual rate for mmc |
| 20:36:20 | * | kugel was under the impression the difference are quite minor |
| 20:39:25 | pamaury | well, you could say it's minor in the sense that they are nearly electrically compatible and use the same "workflow" but the command sets are different |
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| 20:43:53 | bertrik | saratoga, thanks for the bootloader release work! |
| 20:44:20 | saratoga | bertrik: any preference on how this is versioned? |
| 20:44:36 | bertrik | no, not really |
| 20:44:55 | kugel | saratoga: IIRC we don't usually do point releases for bootloaders |
| 20:44:59 | saratoga | since updating the AMS bootloaders is kind of a pain, I'd rather not update them for the fuzev2 and clipv2 until we have USB working |
| 20:45:22 | bertrik | I'm fine with just releasing the clip+ bootloader for now, I think I've only seen a confirmed case of a new bootloader fixing things for the clip+ so far |
| 20:45:32 | kugel | saratoga: why does only the clip+ get a new bl? |
| 20:45:53 | saratoga | kugel: theres some minor hardware revision of the clip+ that happened after the fuze was discontinued |
| 20:46:08 | saratoga | so the new bootloader isn't needed on older amsv2 devices |
| 20:47:57 | saratoga | i'm particularly wary about encouraging people to update the clipv2 bootloader unless absolutely necessary, that seems to cause trouble from time to time |
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| 20:49:53 | saratoga | well i've got a 4.0 tagged booatloader here, if people are ok with having the other amsv2 devices stay one release behind for a while, i can upload it and then tag the svn branch |
| 20:50:19 | saratoga | i'm running it on my clip+ without issue |
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| 20:52:38 | bertrik | saratoga, fine with me |
| 20:53:29 | bertrik | if we do need a newer one for the fuzev2 (for example), we can just compile this tagged version and upload it, right? |
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| 20:56:19 | saratoga | bertrik: correct |
| 20:56:22 | saratoga | http://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/bootloader-clipplus.sansa |
| 20:57:05 | saratoga | when i do the svn copy command, do i have to follow up with svn commit? |
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| 21:02:40 | gevaerts | saratoga: I don't think so |
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| 21:03:33 | CIA-14 | New commit by saratoga (r30197): Tag release v4 of AMSv2 bootloaders, which are presently needed on the Clip+ only. |
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| 21:05:01 | saratoga | Bagder: would you please upload the new v4 bootloader for the Clip+? http://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/bootloader-clipplus.sansa |
| 21:05:23 | saratoga | baring any terrible mistakes, that should be enough to get rbutil installing the new bootloader |
| 21:07:25 | drezon | In dsp.c in resample() can i count on count always being some minimum number? Does anyone know? |
| 21:08:21 | drezon | Like 256 (the size of the sample buffer).. If it can be arbitrarily small, things get more complicated for me :( |
| 21:13:00 | saratoga | drezon: i don't think theres any limit on what size codecs can return, although i'm not sure if the code buffers samples to get up to some minimum level |
| 21:17:26 | saratoga | how many samples are you expecting to have? |
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| 21:18:37 | * | bertrik guesses 15 :) |
| 21:19:38 | saratoga | you have to store the last 15 samples anyway though, so you'd always have at least that many |
| 21:22:54 | drezon | bertrik: right :) |
| 21:23:01 | drezon | yes |
| 21:23:04 | drezon | I do that |
| 21:23:47 | drezon | but if I only get like 1 sample, I have ti additionally manage the fill of that buffer instead of being sure it always contains 15 samples |
| 21:24:24 | drezon | s/ti/to/ |
| 21:26:01 | drezon | doable, sure. but needlessly complicates things if I can be sure resample is always called with some minimum count |
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| 21:41:45 | saratoga | drezon: you have to have that buffer filled anyway though, since you can't just fill it at the start of a block of samples |
| 21:41:49 | saratoga | that would cause glitches |
| 21:43:06 | saratoga | dsp_up/downsample do "data->resample_data.last_sample[ch] = s[count - 1];" at the start |
| 21:43:31 | saratoga | you need to do something similar, except memcpy the last 15 samples, that way you always have the history for your filter |
| 21:44:14 | drezon | yes. i know |
| 21:46:17 | saratoga | then shouldn't it not matter if you have < 15 samples passed in? |
| 21:46:37 | drezon | saratoga: did you get around to find / check the paper about different resampling algorithms? |
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| 21:50:15 | drezon | saratoga: I have to do more than just copying the last 15 samples. Actually I wanted to copy the last 15 samples and on the next iteration append 15 samples. Then I can do my resampling in that buffer until I reach the end of it, then switch to the real sample buffer (src), continue there until I'm 15 samples before the end. Copy the last 15 samples to bufer. repeat on next call. |
| 21:51:05 | drezon | Something like this.. |
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| 21:54:29 | saratoga | drezon: http://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/Niemitalo%20-%202001%20-%20Polynomial%20Interpolators%20for%20High-Quality%20Resampling%20of%20Oversampled%20Audio.pdf |
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| 21:56:24 | drezon | thanks |
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| 21:56:55 | saratoga | drezon: i'm not sure you'll have access to a larger buffer to append your new samples into unless you are quite certain they'll never be too many samples to fit on the stack |
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| 21:57:29 | JimmyJ | Is there a way on the Clip+ to make a megamix shuffle of all your folders or can you just play one folder at a time? |
| 21:57:43 | saratoga | it might be safer to special case the first 15 samples of each buffer that also need the history buffer, then process any that remain in a loop that works out of the src buffer only |
| 21:58:42 | ukleinek | Is "An upgrade caused issues with the wiki. We are on the case" the reason that I cannot connect to http://www.rockbox.org/? |
| 21:58:46 | drezon | saratoga: I have this in struct resample_data: int32_t sample_buf[2][FILTER_SIZE*2]; |
| 21:58:52 | ukleinek | (the ipv6 address doesn't even ping) |
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| 21:59:18 | saratoga | i don't think we're setup for ipv6 |
| 21:59:30 | kugel | i think we are |
| 21:59:38 | drezon | saratoga: yes the first 15 sample *are* special cased in that I do the resampling in that array, then switch to src |
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| 21:59:45 | gevaerts | ukleinek: no, that's different. I can get to it fine |
| 21:59:59 | ukleinek | saratoga: host reports "www.rockbox.org has IPv6 address 2a00:1a28:1200:9::2" |
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| 22:00:01 | AlexP | ukleinek: That thing in the topic has been there for months, nd I'm not sure why it is still there |
| 22:00:35 | ukleinek | rockbox.sourceforge.net works for me |
| 22:00:41 | AlexP | In fact, seeing as nobody has been on the case for ages, I might remove it |
| 22:00:51 | AlexP | sourceforge is nothing to do with the website |
| 22:01:06 | AlexP | And hasn't been for years and years |
| 22:01:19 | ukleinek | ah, now it works, strange |
| 22:01:40 | bertrik | rockbox.sourceforge.net appears to redirect to rockbox.haxx.se |
| 22:01:44 | saratoga | drezon: where do you see that line? grep is failing me |
| 22:02:00 | drezon | No. It's in my code |
| 22:02:04 | drezon | Sorry |
| 22:02:06 | ukleinek | bertrik: http://rockbox.sourceforge.net/rockbox/ doesn't redirect |
| 22:02:29 | drezon | That's what I want to do. |
| 22:02:37 | AlexP | ukleinek: Indeed, but as you can see we haven't been on sourceforge since 2002 |
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| 22:03:07 | ukleinek | AlexP: that's what google gave me, rockbox.org was first, but as this didn't work ... |
| 22:03:23 | saratoga | drezon: if you need some memory thats fine, but ideally this would work using somewhere around source + dest + 15*2 words words of memory |
| 22:03:26 | AlexP | well, you are welcome to go there, but there isn't much point... |
| 22:03:32 | saratoga | since we don't have a lot to spare on many targets |
| 22:03:56 | ukleinek | grumpf, now connecting to rockbox.org hangs again |
| 22:04:24 | drezon | hmm.. I haven't shown the array storing the sinc... :) |
| 22:04:43 | saratoga | thats only 15 words long right? |
| 22:04:59 | drezon | it's [16][256] |
| 22:05:05 | saratoga | or is there one for each resampling ratio? |
| 22:05:22 | saratoga | where do those dimensions come from? |
| 22:06:01 | drezon | 14 zero-crossing + 0 + one more (i f |
| 22:06:14 | * | ukleinek tries a different browser |
| 22:08:49 | drezon | well. the code initially was used for a mod player of mine and thus needed to support changing sample rates at will (without re-init). |
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| 22:09:50 | drezon | since this is not needed in rockbox, I have to think if this can be used to optimize |
| 22:09:57 | saratoga | i'm not too familiar with how this works, but shouldn't you only need 16 words per sample rate ratio? |
| 22:10:06 | saratoga | give or take one or two for the edges |
| 22:11:24 | drezon | I should post the code somewhere, so you can see what is done.. |
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| 22:12:12 | drezon | saratoga: the resampling algorithms there work different. "My" algorithm (it's actually pretty straight-forward) does true (more or less) band-limited interpolation. The paper talks about polynomial interpolation. Still interesting of course. |
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| 22:12:38 | saratoga | drezon: yes those are very different algorithms |
| 22:13:16 | saratoga | in general true band limited interpolation i think is only used in very, very high end resamplers that can tolerate absurdly large filter history |
| 22:13:39 | saratoga | but if you're got something that works pretty well, I doubt anyone is going to care that its marginally less efficient then some polynomial expansion |
| 22:14:39 | ukleinek | hmm, I guess now the problem is that rockbox.org's ipv6 address isn't reachable |
| 22:14:59 | saratoga | yeah, like i said we're not setup for ipv6 |
| 22:15:15 | B4gder | it isn't? |
| 22:15:29 | B4gder | if it isn't, it broke |
| 22:15:31 | ukleinek | saratoga: then you should remove the ipv6 address from dns |
| 22:15:43 | saratoga | yeah its been reported a few times |
| 22:15:43 | B4gder | we've had a good portion of ipv6 traffic already |
| 22:17:09 | B4gder | ukleinek: did you traceroute it? |
| 22:17:30 | * | B4gder suspects the isp possibly messed it up |
| 22:18:32 | ukleinek | B4gder: 6 2a00:1a28:1:2003::1 3118.345 ms !H * * |
| 22:19:18 | ukleinek | that's www.haxx.se |
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| 22:19:47 | B4gder | ? |
| 22:20:02 | ukleinek | B4gder: that's where the traceroute ends |
| 22:20:15 | B4gder | www.rockbox.org and www.haxx.se is the same host and it has 2a00:1a28:1200:9::2 |
| 22:20:52 | ukleinek | B4gder: oh, I seem to have mispasted something |
| 22:21:12 | ukleinek | the traceroute ends at te-2-1.sto3.se.portlane.net |
| 22:21:25 | B4gder | right, that's our isp... |
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| 22:27:59 | B4gder | we had a similar problem before when they somehow got us removed fom the routing |
| 22:28:39 | ukleinek | B4gder: if you have shell access on that machine, you can check from the other side |
| 22:29:31 | B4gder | I can, I have and I confimred that the connection isn't working |
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| 22:33:19 | saratoga | B4gder: did you see the bootloader i posted before? |
| 22:35:43 | * | ukleinek just bricked his mp3 player :-( |
| 22:41:39 | ukleinek | hui, the reset button helped me |
| 22:43:06 | gevaerts | Doesn't sound like it's bricked then :) |
| 22:43:30 | ukleinek | gevaerts: yeah |
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| 23:08:41 | saratoga | drezon: (before I sign off), one suggestion would be to focus on 48k to 44.1k resampling initially, since this is the case that is both most difficult and most common for our linear resampler |
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| 23:10:20 | drezon | saratoga: really? that's most common? that is were linear really sucks, because you will get aliasing on downsampling. though, for this small ration I don't know ehether it's that audible |
| 23:10:37 | drezon | s/ration/ratio/ |
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| 23:12:54 | rasher | drezon: 48k audio is not too uncommon, and afaik Rockbox does all its stuff at 44.1k |
| 23:13:07 | rasher | So there's probably a lot of 48k->44.1k going on |
| 23:13:20 | rasher | or I could be talking out my arse |
| 23:13:40 | AlexP | Nah. that's my job |
| 23:13:50 | saratoga | drezon: linear resampling has a lot of trouble with 48 to 44.1 resampling because of the small difference between them |
| 23:14:56 | drezon | Yes, and linear doesn't work at all correctly for downsampling as you have to band-limit at the new fs/2 or get aliasing |
| 23:16:19 | saratoga | my thinking was that we'd probably want linear for the easier cases like 192, 172->44k and probably don't really care much about anything but resampling to 44.1k |
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| 23:18:45 | drezon | but for 192 -> 44 you will definitely get lots of aliasing (if the original signal actually contains the full spectrum) |
| 23:22:55 | saratoga | yeah but thats fairly uncommon, most 192k stuff is low passed anyway |
| 23:22:56 | saratoga | anyway, i have to go |
| 23:22:56 | saratoga | good luck and keep me posted |
| 23:22:56 | drezon | thanks |
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| 23:22:56 | saratoga | am very interested in your results |
| 23:22:56 | drezon | at least one :) |
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| 23:36:50 | dfkt | is there a wiki page for fuze+ recovery? i didn't find anything, but maybe i'm blind |
| 23:41:32 | dfkt | ah, found something |
| 23:49:00 | pamaury | there isn't much to say about fuze+ recovery |
| 23:49:12 | pamaury | SansaFuzePlusPort contains the instruction to download some code |
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