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| 02:53:58 | notlistening | I am doing a make all followed by a makefull zip then make apk to generate rockbox for my android phone and the fonts seem to have disappeared from the build, anyone else getting this? |
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| 02:57:02 | notlistening | Sorted, i think ;) |
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| 03:02:32 | notlistening | The fonts are in the zip/apk but I can not access them though the theme->font menu it will not enter this menu entry, same with while playing screen |
| 03:03:00 | notlistening | would this be a bug in the current build? |
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| 06:30:00 | [Saint] | JdGordon: ping? |
| 06:30:17 | [Saint] | Just found what I consider to be a massive loss of usability in the playlists handling. |
| 06:30:53 | JdGordon | oh? |
| 06:31:53 | [Saint] | It seems that when a dynamic plailist is stopped, its not blown away (as it used to be) by going to either filebrowser/database, selection, insert. |
| 06:32:15 | [Saint] | previously, that would create a new playlist, now, it appends to the stopped one. |
| 06:32:18 | JdGordon | is that related to gevaerts' commit last night? |
| 06:32:26 | [Saint] | Ah....possibly. |
| 06:32:32 | [Saint] | it sucks :-S |
| 06:32:41 | JdGordon | that worried it immediatly when I saw it but havnt had time to check |
| 06:32:56 | JdGordon | r30226 |
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| 06:33:44 | JdGordon | err.... hang on, maybe not |
| 06:34:06 | [Saint] | Yeah, I'm playing with an older build on my iPod, and I just figured out what yes, I am indeed correct and a stopped dynamic playlist was blown away when a new selection or batch selection was inserted. |
| 06:34:32 | [Saint] | the build on my phone (svn head as of ~12am last night) does not. |
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| 06:35:41 | JdGordon | ok, if you can be 100% sure that change is wrong I'll revert it and we can discuss it tonight |
| 06:36:22 | [Saint] | Well, is it "wrong"? OR was the behavious I was used to for ~2 years "wrong"? |
| 06:36:29 | [Saint] | that's a point of contention I guess. |
| 06:36:45 | JdGordon | not at all |
| 06:36:52 | JdGordon | that behaviour is correct |
| 06:37:01 | JdGordon | otherwsie how are you supposed to create a new playlist? |
| 06:37:36 | [Saint] | Good point, I just thought that perhaps I was missing the way to do so...but there doesn't seem to be any way t clear the dynamic playlist now. |
| 06:39:20 | [Saint] | You can still create a new playlist, by clicking on a singular item in the db/filebrowser. But the loss of functionality comes into play when inserting an entire artist or folder recursively. |
| 06:39:35 | [Saint] | if you try and do that while a dynamic list is stopped it appends to it. |
| 06:39:55 | [Saint] | I'd like gevaerts to comment before its reverted in case I'm missing something obvious. |
| 06:39:59 | [Saint] | But I don't think I am. |
| 06:40:17 | JdGordon | I'm missing the same thing if you are, im pretty confident that that is a regression though |
| 06:40:41 | JdGordon | Unless we want a splash "Replace dynamic playlist?"? |
| 06:40:50 | JdGordon | no, thats yuck |
| 06:41:17 | [Saint] | there's already "warn on erase" that I'm sure 9/10 people probably disable ;) |
| 06:42:07 | JdGordon | gevaerts: without looking more closely I *think* the correct way to do that change is to call playlist_Reload() in root_menu() or gui_main()? (or whatever it is called in main.c) |
| 06:42:17 | JdGordon | not in the actual playlist code like you've done |
| 06:42:21 | [Saint] | it *could* be fixed... |
| 06:43:04 | [Saint] | if the all the insert selections were given seperately from the cpontext menu "Current Playlist" |
| 06:43:20 | JdGordon | once more? |
| 06:45:19 | [Saint] | It seems as though it might be able to work if the Database context menu offered the same selections for playlists as the filebrowser does. |
| 06:46:06 | [Saint] | the database context menu (whilst playback is stopped) currently only offers "Current Playlist - Insert/Insert Shuffled |
| 06:46:07 | JdGordon | it doesnt? |
| 06:46:40 | JdGordon | thats the same bug then |
| 06:46:45 | [Saint] | Oh, it only offers that during playback as well :-S |
| 06:47:09 | [Saint] | the only context menu option for the database is now "current playlist". |
| 06:47:53 | [Saint] | (with the sub-options Insert/Insert Shuffled) |
| 06:49:02 | JdGordon | database doesnt have cataloge? |
| 06:49:21 | JdGordon | hmmm |
| 06:49:40 | JdGordon | ah, it has it on files, not filter/folders |
| 06:50:06 | JdGordon | that is technically a bug then |
| 06:50:12 | JdGordon | but I;m not sure it is required |
| 06:50:30 | JdGordon | if you are using the DB why would you want to save folders into the catalog? |
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| 07:51:34 | [Saint] | Anyone present with a 240x320 Android device running RaaA? |
| 07:51:49 | * | [Saint] needs a tester, preferably with fat fingers. |
| 07:52:38 | [Saint] | (yes, I know that sounds weird...I've just finished the "fat fingers" revision of the theme that drastically extends touch areas where possible. |
| 07:52:41 | [Saint] | ) |
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| 08:32:45 | CQ | hello, I have an ihp 140 with an old bootloader (v6) and want to upgrade to the new version, but using hte instructions I get an incompatible bootloader mesage... any ideas? |
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| 08:39:57 | pixelma | CQ: is this possibly a flashed build? And how old was the build that's currently on there (when was it last updated) |
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| 08:45:01 | pixelma | [Saint]: does that mean, you always just add to the playlist even if it had finished (when using the "insert" options)? Sounds like either a bug or if that's deliberate... I'm really missing a warning and discussion about it :\ |
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| 08:45:43 | [Saint] | pixelma: Yep, and I _hope_ it isn't deliberate... |
| 08:46:18 | pixelma | I think I read in the logs that gevaerts asked for opinions about the fs task but only here - didn't see anything on the ml |
| 08:46:47 | pixelma | I hope so too |
| 08:47:11 | CQ | pixelma: I originally flashed it years ago, don know if it is a flashed build, but hte bootloader was never upgraded after the initial installation. Could be form as early as 2004 or 2005... |
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| 08:48:41 | CQ | pixelma: the md5sums all check out with the http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IriverBoot page, both the original 1.66us and the patched ihp120.hex |
| 08:50:42 | CQ | pixelma I'm thinking about going back to the original iriver firmware, and then redoing rockbox |
| 08:54:34 | pixelma | I believe the v6 bootloader is still the current official one with a preX-v7 out there that's supposed too fix some things. Do *not* try any newer bootloaders, you'll risk seriously bricking your device. |
| 08:54:34 | CQ | or can I patch the original firmware with a 7pre4 bootloader and manually install that? |
| 08:55:38 | CQ | ok, so stay at v6 until 7 is officially out then... thanks |
| 08:56:31 | CQ | btw, is there a way to ger rb to remember positions in individual files? I have some 4 hour long audio books where I jump betweenthe books sometimes... |
| 08:56:43 | pixelma | You didn't answer my other question - what version of Rockbox is displayed during boot or when you watch the 'Rockbox info' screen (under 'System' it is, I believe) |
| 08:57:52 | CQ | 3.9, I just upgraded to that... I though tyou just wanted the bootloader info |
| 08:58:31 | pixelma | hmm, I thought you had problems with the actual build? |
| 08:59:29 | CQ | no, but yesterday I had gaps in playback, around 2-3 seconds of silence and then it played on normally again... I was hoping ot fix that with an upgrade |
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| 09:00:03 | CQ | my last RB upgrade was also a while ago, before the rockbox loader utility existed |
| 09:00:15 | CQ | and before the regular releases |
| 09:01:04 | pixelma | with a bootloader update? I'm not sure I understand you correctly :/ |
| 09:03:10 | CQ | no, with an RB upgrade, but when I saw the newer bootloader, I figured I grab that as well since it has a failsafe menu system at boot and possibly some USB fixes... |
| 09:05:34 | pixelma | ah, well. Possibly the one on the wiki is ok but - I don't have an H100 myself, just know things talked about here. Maybe if you're lucky then Slasheri is around, he should know best about the bootloaders and flashed builds |
| 09:06:32 | pixelma | for H100s that is |
| 09:09:41 | CQ | ok, thanks |
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| 09:24:35 | JdGordon | pixelma: patch opinions and patch testers and patch reviewers are all *very* different and I dont want anyone to tihnk I'm annoyed with gevaerts' commit... |
| 09:24:52 | JdGordon | the idea is fine, it is just unfortunatly buggily implemented |
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| 09:25:30 | JdGordon | as usual it is the testing which failed (again not blaming gevaerts), people need to step up and test patches |
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| 09:46:57 | Slasheri | CQ: bootloader v7-pre4 should be safe to install |
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| 09:47:48 | Slasheri | it has same safety features included as the v6 and some extra ones |
| 09:48:12 | Slasheri | CQ: just be sure to use the rockbox plugin iriver_flash to update the bootloader |
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| 10:11:48 | [Saint] | evilnick: Ping? |
| 10:11:50 | gevaerts | JdGordon: hm. It looked correct to me, but I know almost nothing about playlist handling... Feel free to revert. I can't do it right now |
| 10:13:15 | [Saint] | gevaerts: You could say you did that patch extraordinarily well. ;) |
| 10:13:24 | [Saint] | Once it has a playlist, it doesn't want to let it go :P |
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| 10:16:51 | JdGord | gevaerts: I can't fix it now either, but because of the break I think a temp revert is better than leaving it |
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| 10:38:34 | CIA-14 | New commit by gevaerts (r30232): revert r30226, which is apparently broken. |
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| 10:43:05 | CIA-14 | r30232 build result: All green |
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| 11:37:27 | * | [Saint] boggles at FS #12214 eating ~22MHz of CPU on the D2 |
| 11:37:28 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12214 Space80 Reverb Effect (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 11:41:52 | preglow | why boggle? |
| 11:42:55 | [Saint] | It just seems to me to be a lot more than I thought such an effect would use...I wonder if it could be made more efficient, or if it is more efficient on other targets. |
| 11:42:59 | preglow | looks like some horrible emu10k1 assembly conversion |
| 11:43:43 | preglow | looks to me like it's not really as efficient as it could be, no |
| 11:45:18 | preglow | it also seems to make assumptions about the sample rate |
| 11:45:39 | preglow | if it's an emu10k1 conversion as i suspect, then it's locked to 48k |
| 11:49:30 | preglow | this would be a fair bit quicker in assembly, but all the memory handling will put an upper bound to it. why we want a reverb in the core anyway? :> |
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| 11:57:34 | jhMikeS | preglow: if we have a compressor in the core, why not every other conceivable thing? |
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| 12:04:44 | preglow | dunno, a compressor is nice for normal listening in noisy environments, pretty common |
| 12:05:03 | preglow | a reverb is nice if you like to play around :> |
| 12:05:21 | preglow | which i ofc do, but yeah, some old dude inside me say the core isn't the place for it |
| 12:05:26 | preglow | but i guess it doesn't really matter anymore |
| 12:06:09 | gevaerts | preglow: if not in core, where? |
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| 12:06:22 | gevaerts | We don't have any infrastructure for loadable effects |
| 12:06:38 | preglow | now that would be something |
| 12:06:43 | * | jhMikeS was just thinking "loadable effects" :) |
| 12:07:24 | gevaerts | I suspect we want to finish buflib and relocatable plugins first :) |
| 12:07:34 | preglow | if not loadable in the physical sense, then at least some way to properly organize effects, not just add them arbitrarly to dsp core |
| 12:07:41 | gevaerts | As soon as we have those, the sky is the limit |
| 12:07:53 | preglow | besides, the order of tthings matter: compressor before reverb or other way around? |
| 12:07:59 | jhMikeS | great, rockamp cometh |
| 12:08:31 | preglow | gevaerts: is anyone working on reloc plugins? |
| 12:08:35 | jhMikeS | compressor seems best placed last |
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| 12:09:07 | preglow | jhMikeS: probably agree |
| 12:09:11 | preglow | but both makes sense |
| 12:09:23 | jhMikeS | of course that could be adjustable |
| 12:09:53 | gevaerts | preglow: no |
| 12:09:57 | gevaerts | Feel free :) |
| 12:10:00 | preglow | some screen where you can insert whatever effects you want in whatever order you want would be nice |
| 12:10:08 | preglow | gevaerts: i've wanted that for ages |
| 12:10:17 | preglow | that and buflib |
| 12:10:22 | preglow | at least buflib is getting done |
| 12:10:54 | preglow | and pretty much exactly like i want it done too <3 |
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| 12:11:13 | * | jhMikeS should actually look at how it's done already :\ |
| 12:19:16 | * | gevaerts wouldn't mind if more people reviewed this stuff :) |
| 12:20:38 | jhMikeS | uhoh, /me sees notes about "yield, doesn't yield" |
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| 12:39:38 | * | jhMikeS should mention that playback and voice aren't really co-dependent any longer |
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| 12:41:45 | jhMikeS | who wants to give timccc a kick? |
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| 12:49:25 | preglow | don't think a kick would do much |
| 12:50:06 | Mode | "#rockbox +o preglow" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 12:51:04 | preglow | shall i ban or do you think he's mended his ways? |
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| 12:51:51 | jhMikeS | we'll see |
| 12:52:23 | preglow | i've gotta go in 5 anyway |
| 12:52:57 | * | jhMikeS forgot what the op foo is |
| 12:53:20 | notlistening | I have a problem with a build last night of rockbox for android, I can not change the font when using the fullzip build anyone else experiencing that? |
| 12:53:33 | Mode | "#rockbox +o jhMikeS" by preglow (thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 12:53:35 | Mode | "#rockbox -o preglow" by preglow (thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) |
| 12:55:01 | jhMikeS | lol, yeah, now I remember |
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| 13:01:03 | Mode | "#rockbox -o jhMikeS" by jhMikeS (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) |
| 13:12:23 | [Saint] | notlistening: did you see my comment on the forum? |
| 13:15:17 | * | JdGordon doesnt know how to make skinnable lists drawing work better :( |
| 13:15:43 | jhMikeS | less 'skin', more 'able' might work |
| 13:16:29 | JdGordon | haw haw |
| 13:17:27 | JdGordon | it works fine except at screen transitions which makes it effectivly shit |
| 13:17:41 | JdGordon | I think i need to do something in push_current_activity() but i dunno what! :p |
| 13:23:00 | [Saint] | notlistening: What resolution is your Android device? |
| 13:23:30 | [Saint] | if its 240x320 or 480x800 would you be interested in testing/providing feeback on a new full-touch theme? |
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| 13:35:34 | [Saint] | So.....who's gonna test the fat-fingers RaaA theme variant? |
| 13:35:43 | [Saint] | its got sexy new fonts... ;) |
| 13:36:09 | notlistening | Sorry Saint i didn't I will look the resolution is .. 800x400 landscape |
| 13:36:29 | [Saint] | bah...landscape :( |
| 13:37:10 | notlistening | lol, well if you have a 800x400 screen you're going to use it landscape |
| 13:37:15 | [Saint] | It occured to me a few weeks ago that my work is doubled by the need to create landscape ports as well. |
| 13:37:27 | notlistening | Saint I am happy to test it for you though of course |
| 13:38:11 | [Saint] | 800x400 sure is a weird resolution. my current ports are either too large or too small. |
| 13:38:28 | [Saint] | damn this not having automagical resizing in a sane way. |
| 13:39:06 | notlistening | needs a bit of alice in wonderland magic me thinks |
| 13:40:43 | [Saint] | Its really sad that I have to say this...but what it needs is a native UI :( |
| 13:41:11 | [Saint] | I'd like to have a basic native UI, yet still offer the themeable Rockbox skin engine...best of both worlds. |
| 13:42:06 | JdGordon | well, wait for gsoc to finish :) |
| 13:42:40 | [Saint] | Wasn't the intention to drop themeing altogether though? |
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| 13:42:51 | JdGordon | it doesnt have to |
| 13:43:02 | [Saint] | I'd like to keep themeing as an option, but have a basic native UI that "just works" for all resolutions. |
| 13:43:30 | [Saint] | Of course, I have like 0 say in this ;) |
| 13:43:42 | JdGordon | themeing will almost certainly not happen in android though because it will be the same issue as the theme editor |
| 13:44:08 | [Saint] | ...buh? |
| 13:44:54 | JdGordon | buh what? |
| 13:45:05 | [Saint] | "the same issue as the theme editor"? |
| 13:45:14 | notlistening | Is there a half way house of native and full screen UI's for those that want themes |
| 13:45:19 | JdGordon | not keeping everything in sync |
| 13:45:26 | JdGordon | java means a compelte reimplementation |
| 13:45:42 | [Saint] | Oh, you mean themeing the native Ui? |
| 13:45:54 | JdGordon | using rockboxes skin language |
| 13:45:54 | GodEater_WG | i.e everytime Jd breaks the theming engine, the themeing bits of the skin editor and the hypothetical half-way house on android get stuffed ;) |
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| 13:46:18 | [Saint] | can't we use both? |
| 13:46:18 | JdGordon | GodEater_WG: s/break/update/ |
| 13:46:28 | GodEater_WG | Jdliked my first version better :D |
| 13:46:42 | [Saint] | I mean, could the skin engine just be left in place? |
| 13:46:45 | GodEater_WG | oops - keep forgetting CGI::IRC does crappy name completiong |
| 13:47:07 | notlistening | with a native UI would you be able to use the plugins or would that require a switch to using the frambuffer? |
| 13:47:15 | JdGordon | [Saint]: well no, only the actual parser is componentised enough to be built into the java port |
| 13:47:38 | GodEater_WG | notlistening: sorry, I don't understand the question |
| 13:47:42 | JdGordon | of course this is all down to my view that anyone doing anything less that a full java rebuild with librbcodec is silly |
| 13:47:52 | [Saint] | Yeah...but, I don't see why there couldn't be a native UI *and* the Rockbox skin engine. |
| 13:48:17 | GodEater_WG | [Saint] iirc, someone's just released a fully themeable music player into the market |
| 13:48:18 | [Saint] | ie. if a theme is present, use it. If not, native UI |
| 13:48:23 | GodEater_WG | so it's eminently possible |
| 13:49:00 | notlistening | Well if you eventually build the plugins like movie player doom into rockbox these are fullscreen apps, how would they work with a native UI, would there be a difference? |
| 13:49:21 | [Saint] | notlistening: those plugins make 0% sense on RaaA |
| 13:49:27 | [Saint] | there's apps that doa far better job. |
| 13:49:33 | [Saint] | *do a |
| 13:49:46 | [Saint] | pictureflow is about the only really useful plugin. |
| 13:49:52 | [Saint] | vbrfix also. |
| 13:49:56 | [Saint] | a few others maybe. |
| 13:49:58 | notlistening | ok ;) |
| 13:50:09 | * | GodEater_WG watches [Saint] change his mind |
| 13:51:03 | [Saint] | GodEater: Early on I thought..."Well, why not just build them all?", then it occured to me that while it'd be "cute" to have them, it'd also be fucking pointless ;) |
| 13:51:33 | notlistening | a lot yes, but some would be cute as you said |
| 13:51:48 | [Saint] | *unless*.....*unless* we get relocatable plugins. |
| 13:52:04 | [Saint] | then we could do cool things, very cool things, with skins. |
| 13:52:16 | GodEater_WG | I'm of the opinion, "don't have any plugins, it's a dumb idea" |
| 13:52:28 | [Saint] | Not even pictureflow? |
| 13:52:47 | Torne | If you want pictureflow on android i would suggest just implementing it natively as part of the ui |
| 13:52:55 | * | GodEater_WG was just going to say that |
| 13:53:07 | GodEater_WG | there's enough room on an android you could build it into core |
| 13:53:21 | Torne | you want to implement it differently anyway, after all :) |
| 13:53:28 | Torne | since you would want to have it be direct manipulation |
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| 13:53:45 | GodEater_WG | [Saint] This is the music player I was thinking of : http://www.ubermusic.com/ |
| 13:53:50 | Torne | touch UIs that are based on analogies of physical things and don't support direct manipulation need to be kicked in the groin |
| 13:53:59 | GodEater_WG | and set on fire |
| 13:54:36 | * | [Saint] does wonder on a regular basis why pictureflow isn't absolute point. |
| 13:54:44 | GodEater_WG | is there anyway to get the "status bar" tooltip thing NOT to show up in Chrome? It messes with CGI:IRC something horrible |
| 13:54:55 | JdGordon | dont use cgi::irc :) |
| 13:55:02 | JdGordon | webchat.freenode.net |
| 13:55:03 | GodEater_WG | I wish that was a choice I had Jd |
| 13:55:12 | GodEater_WG | anything with "chat" in the url is blocked |
| 13:55:29 | [Saint] | its set up so you *almost* don't notice that its gridmodeuntil you want to exit and have to guess what corner to mash to do so. |
| 13:55:33 | * | GodEater_WG has had this discussion in here before |
| 13:55:39 | notlistening | Got to love the IT admins at work places |
| 13:56:01 | GodEater_WG | I could fight my way out through HTTP / ssh tunnels |
| 13:56:09 | GodEater_WG | but that just earns me a shouting at from info sec |
| 13:56:22 | GodEater_WG | if not an actual "please collect your shit and leave" |
| 13:56:30 | notlistening | is it that you just can view the URL? |
| 13:56:49 | notlistening | have you ever tried using the cached link from google search ;) |
| 13:56:59 | GodEater_WG | it's cleverer than that |
| 13:57:02 | notlistening | can't |
| 13:57:10 | notlistening | fair enough |
| 13:57:42 | * | JdGordon wonders if people use rockbox because of its skinning ability or because it plays music?! |
| 13:57:58 | notlistening | music for me |
| 13:58:12 | notlistening | actually that it has speech |
| 13:58:26 | GodEater_WG | music for me |
| 13:58:34 | GodEater_WG | I couldn't give a crap what it looks like to be honest |
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| 13:59:48 | God_Eater | bloody hell |
| 13:59:56 | God_Eater | I can get to webchat.freenode.net by raw ip |
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| 14:00:00 | God_Eater | \o/ |
| 14:01:10 | * | God_Eater wonders if we'll lose [Saint] to ubermusic once he works out how to skin it to within an inch of it's life. |
| 14:03:41 | JdGordon | nooooo! |
| 14:03:50 | notlistening | God_Eater not that clever then ;) |
| 14:04:01 | [Saint] | Aaaaaaaawwww, how sweet ;) |
| 14:04:46 | God_Eater | what's sweet? :) |
| 14:04:56 | God_Eater | if you think I'm worried about losing you - ha! :D |
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| 14:05:12 | [Saint] | Jd apparently is, ;) |
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| 14:06:27 | God_Eater | ah, I thought he was bitching about me finding my way onto webchat.freenode.net. |
| 14:06:32 | God_Eater | means I'll be here more often :D |
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| 14:06:47 | God_Eater | it's kind of hard to tell though |
| 14:06:59 | * | gevaerts wonders if people have seen the topic |
| 14:07:00 | [Saint] | I considered that as an option, but I chose to take it as I wanted to hear it :D |
| 14:09:21 | God_Eater | gevaerts: I can't reeed |
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| 14:20:28 | [Saint] | JdGordon: God_Eater: AlexP: bluebroth3r: pixelma: And anyone else that happens to have a 480x800 or 240x320 Android device...testers appreciated. Theme requires a current binary. |
| 14:20:35 | [Saint] | 480x800 == http://www.datafilehost.com/download-d769d36a.html |
| 14:20:46 | [Saint] | 240x320 == http://www.datafilehost.com/download-9cefb312.html |
| 14:21:13 | [Saint] | binary, theme and voice archived separately for your convenience ;) |
| 14:23:38 | [Saint] | rough guide to improvements: layout cleaned up, no more popup tabs, no ugly volume buttons anymore, nice AA fonts, softlock in WPS, easy to hit extended touch regions for "fat fingers"...many small fixes. |
| 14:24:02 | God_Eater | I don't have a current build on my phone - will have to wait till I get the chance to update it |
| 14:24:47 | [Saint] | Oh, its no longer named the rather horrible "DEFAULT" :) |
| 14:25:00 | [Saint] | ZIts not the highly unoriginal "CabbieV3" |
| 14:25:08 | [Saint] | -Z |
| 14:28:22 | [Saint] | bah! *s/not/now/ |
| 14:29:01 | God_Eater | There's already a cabbieV3 around |
| 14:29:11 | God_Eater | you might want to go to the *shock* CabbieV4 |
| 14:29:28 | JdGordon | how about we remove the version number in svn :) |
| 14:29:30 | [Saint] | dun dun duuuuun! |
| 14:33:38 | ukleinek | in case the poll about "why rockbox" is still open: I like open software and want to free my media player. Ah, and there are some annoyances in the OF. |
| 14:39:25 | sideral | JdGordon, Saint: could you leave a comment in FS #11644 on what exactly was broken? It would help the next person looking at this. Thanks! :) |
| 14:39:26 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11644 Playlist isn't loaded after reboot if it had ended (patches, new) |
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| 14:43:05 | sideral | Saint, jhMikeS: Would you be willing to test FS #12132 patch 8 for a few days to see if it breaks anything? |
| 14:43:06 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12132 tagnavi: Support "basename" in formats and conditions; replace <Untagged> in track views (patches, new) |
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| 15:03:23 | CIA-14 | New commit by kugel (r30233): Remove dead rolo related code (boot_changed was never set to true). |
| 15:07:33 | CIA-14 | r30233 build result: All green |
| 15:07:43 | [Saint] | sideral: will do. |
| 15:08:02 | [Saint] | btw, adding "album artist" to same as current failed. |
| 15:08:33 | [Saint] | (just copying the "artist" feild in the same category and substituting artist with albumartist) |
| 15:09:49 | [Saint] | Ah!.....fuck. |
| 15:09:55 | [Saint] | "twiddles" rather. |
| 15:10:39 | [Saint] | JdGordon: God_Eater: AlexP: bluebroth3r: pixelma: Ignore the links from earlier. |
| 15:10:57 | [Saint] | 480x800 == http://www.datafilehost.com/download-10eaa14b.html |
| 15:11:12 | [Saint] | 240x320 == http://www.datafilehost.com/download-dbfaef2a.html |
| 15:11:38 | [Saint] | (fixes a little gremlin that snuck into the .sbs just before uploading) |
| 15:12:06 | * | [Saint] suspects cat+keyboard was at fault there...the typo looked *very* catlike. |
| 15:13:51 | sideral | Saint: Thanks for testing that patch 8. |
| 15:14:08 | sideral | Saint: In which way did the album artist change fail? |
| 15:14:28 | [Saint] | it just flatly refuses to show up. |
| 15:14:41 | [Saint] | its as if the line were not even placed there. |
| 15:15:05 | sideral | huh? It's not in the "Same as current..." menu? |
| 15:15:27 | [Saint] | Nup. |
| 15:16:46 | [Saint] | I feel it should be in tagnavi.config so if you manage to get it working its probably something that should be committed, and I'll copy it from there. |
| 15:16:58 | sideral | Looks like the tagnavi parser fails to parse the line. you could enable logf in tagtree.c, run it in a (logf-enabled) sim and look at the output, the parser is quite verbose |
| 15:17:55 | sideral | OK, I'll put it into my TODO list, but it could take literally years until I get to it :) |
| 15:18:26 | [Saint] | sounds like the same length as mine ;) |
| 15:18:59 | God_Eater | ok guys - stop comparing penis size. |
| 15:21:17 | sideral | Mine got a whole lot shorter yesterday when I committed the <Untagged> -> basename stuff :) |
| 15:21:32 | sideral | the TODO list, I mean :) |
| 15:22:57 | * | JdGordon wonders about the last commit |
| 15:23:03 | JdGordon | how does rolo work if its not for that? |
| 15:23:09 | JdGordon | and I know that splash does show up |
| 15:23:55 | [Saint] | Does indeed....or, it used to not so long ago. |
| 15:24:15 | JdGordon | ah, yes, misc.c |
| 15:24:17 | JdGordon | all good |
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| 16:20:06 | [Saint] | sideral: found a bug already in the basename patch |
| 16:20:11 | [Saint] | this is without patch 8 |
| 16:20:37 | [Saint] | it only seems to work correctly if you actually enter the <untagged> subdir in the Database. |
| 16:21:01 | [Saint] | if you go to <all tracks> you still get a fat slab of Untagged |
| 16:21:39 | [Saint] | (these tracks display the basename if you enter the <Untagged> subdirs, but not in <All Tracks>...why? |
| 16:21:42 | [Saint] | ) |
| 16:23:46 | [Saint] | example, if I go to Database - Album - All Tracks I get a fat slab of <Untagged> at the beginning. |
| 16:24:09 | [Saint] | If I go to Database - All Tracks - <Untagged> they display the basename. |
| 16:24:55 | [Saint] | *If I go to Database - Album - All Tracks - <Untagged> they display the basename. |
| 16:25:32 | [Saint] | I assume this is unintended...if it is intended, it is undesirable |
| 16:25:49 | * | God_Eater laments the lack of swedes to shove gerit into production |
| 16:27:14 | ukleinek | ..ooSO(swedes_eater) |
| 16:37:40 | kugel | gevaerts: is it ok to commit the audiobuf access patch? |
| 16:38:16 | kugel | I think I squashed all bugs I know of but I don't question the possibility of unknown ones |
| 16:38:44 | gevaerts | kugel: I don't have objections. I don't know about other people though |
| 16:39:07 | gevaerts | We know what the best way to get testing is though :) |
| 16:39:25 | kugel | well, at least missuse of the buffer will throw an obvious panic :) |
| 16:41:50 | kugel | alright, I slap an updated version on the tracker for a few days |
| 16:49:11 | gevaerts | Maybe send a test/review request to the mailing list? |
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| 16:52:49 | sideral | Saint: yeah, <all tracks> is not covered yet. That's what FS #9613 is for. I plan to get to that soon. |
| 16:52:51 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9613 Allow formatting of track names for the default <All Tracks> database menus (patches, unconfirmed) |
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| 16:55:03 | sideral | It works with untagged titles in all other menus, though |
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| 16:55:51 | sideral | The reason <all tracks> isn't covered yet is that there's currently no way to specify a format for it. |
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| 18:06:03 | notlistening | [Saint] seems after i checked svn for changes did a veryclean build and still the fonts menu can not be accessed :( |
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| 20:00:42 | sideral | Slasheri, kugel: Why is dircache hibernation tied to HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS? This seems to be defined only on two iriver devices... and the dircache_save/load code doesn't even use the EEPROM |
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| 20:02:31 | kugel | sideral: IIRC on the H100 you can remove the OF entirely, and then the OF can't confuse/corrupt the dircache |
| 20:03:02 | kugel | sideral: there's a patch to enable it for other targets on FS but every boot into the OF may cause horrible failure |
| 20:03:20 | gevaerts | kugel: how is booting the OF different from e.g. bootloader USB? |
| 20:04:12 | kugel | ah well, bootloader USB has the same issues I guess |
| 20:05:39 | sideral | kugel: I see, but what does this have to do with EEPROM? |
| 20:05:48 | kugel | don't know |
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| 20:06:21 | sideral | Interesting :) |
| 20:06:51 | kugel | that hibernation thing was there before me :) |
| 20:10:44 | CIA-14 | New commit by saratoga (r30234): Mention that MSC mode is reset after installing rockbox on AMS players. |
| 20:14:41 | CIA-14 | r30234 build result: All green |
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| 20:15:01 | Slasheri | sideral: with HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS, it is guaranteed that dircache state will match the disk state, unless user physically swaps the disk |
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| 20:15:55 | kugel | gevaerts: I added BUFLIB_CB_CANNOT_MOVE |
| 20:16:20 | kugel | but returning a special value to retry requires more changes |
| 20:16:55 | kugel | I'm a bit uneasy to add that at this stage |
| 20:17:37 | kugel | Slasheri: how's that guaranteed |
| 20:17:38 | kugel | ? |
| 20:17:50 | gevaerts | kugel: I'd say the need for a special retry value hasn't been shown yet |
| 20:18:01 | Slasheri | by using the eeprom chip to set the disk intact flag |
| 20:18:25 | Slasheri | that is done on bootloader level |
| 20:18:54 | sideral | Slasheri: ah, I see |
| 20:20:31 | sideral | Slasheri: In the past few days, I found two more potential buffer overruns in tagcache :) |
| 20:20:49 | Slasheri | sideral: nice :) |
| 20:21:39 | sideral | Also, kugel found and fixed the dircache bug causing trash directory names. it was an buffer-calculation error in dircache compaction |
| 20:21:51 | Slasheri | yes, i saw that |
| 20:21:56 | Slasheri | good thing :) |
| 20:22:53 | sideral | One buffer overrun is in build_index. The other (really an out-of-bounds array access) is in retrieve_entries |
| 20:24:46 | sideral | I have a patch for the latter −− http://pastebin.com/rTq0kghv |
| 20:25:54 | sideral | The bug hits when applying a %strip when chunking is in progress |
| 20:26:07 | Slasheri | hmm, interesting finding |
| 20:26:19 | sideral | I triggered it when browsing an Atari sound chip archive misplaced in my podcast directory, where I have a format with a mandatory %strip |
| 20:26:22 | sideral | :) |
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| 20:27:35 | sideral | I don't have a patch for the other yet, but I saw it hit in the debugger: There's a memset(lookup, 0, lookup_buffer_depth * sizeof(void **)) where the buffer size is checked only after the memset :) |
| 20:28:54 | sideral | As usual, I'll commit any fixes after I've run with them for a few days |
| 20:30:54 | sideral | I also found a potential overrun in format_str(). That will be fixed when I commit patch 8 of FS #12132 |
| 20:30:55 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12132 tagnavi: Support "basename" in formats and conditions; replace <Untagged> in track views (patches, new) |
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| 21:02:41 | kugel | gevaerts: this is how CANNOT_MOVE looks like in dircache, http://pastie.org/2305185 |
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| 21:10:51 | gevaerts | kugel: what is that patch based on? |
| 21:11:20 | kugel | latest (but rebased) FS #12186 |
| 21:11:21 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12186 GSoC/Buflib: Put extended buflib into core (patches, new) |
| 21:12:02 | kugel | for scrobbler I'm considering copying to temp storage instead of CANNOT_MOVE |
| 21:12:26 | kugel | i.e. http://pastie.org/2305240 |
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| 21:14:29 | gevaerts | That's quite a large bit of stack. Make sure you check all possible paths to get there... |
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| 21:15:05 | kugel | 512 byte. is that too much? |
| 21:15:12 | gevaerts | Depends |
| 21:15:28 | kugel | we shouldn't need to fear stack problems for 512 :( |
| 21:15:47 | gevaerts | Well, it all depends on where it's called from |
| 21:15:56 | gevaerts | anyway, if it's a problem, there are solutions |
| 21:16:00 | kugel | can re-use the MAX_PATH buffer from above |
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| 21:16:34 | gevaerts | You can easily (with a bit more looping) copy in more than one chunk there |
| 21:17:01 | kugel | for speed? |
| 21:17:06 | gevaerts | I suspect it will be fine though |
| 21:17:12 | gevaerts | No, if stack is an issue |
| 21:17:32 | kugel | ah smaller chunks you mean |
| 21:17:34 | gevaerts | yes |
| 21:21:39 | kugel | http://pastie.org/2305280 ? |
| 21:21:46 | gevaerts | kugel: for dircache, I'd say have Slasheri and sideral review it. I'm not going to claim understanding all the issues there :) |
| 21:22:05 | kugel | sure, just wanted to show what it looks like in a smallish diff |
| 21:22:15 | kugel | I'm sure you had that in mind anyway .) |
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| 21:30:08 | gevaerts | hm |
| 21:31:37 | gevaerts | It's probably reasonable to assume that default_event_handler_ex() won't be called from a place that already uses lots of stack |
| 21:32:04 | gevaerts | I hope... |
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| 21:32:45 | * | kugel doesn't want FUD because of tight stack allocation :( |
| 21:33:12 | kugel | I mean, sure you don't just alloc multiple K on the stack, but 512 isn't a lot |
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| 21:34:31 | gevaerts | kugel: after looking into it, I'm pretty sure it's safe |
| 21:34:50 | kugel | I now merged it with the MAX_PATH from above, should I undo? |
| 21:35:48 | gevaerts | not sure. Merging of course saves stack space, but at a (slight?) readability cost... |
| 21:37:25 | gevaerts | I'd say undo. I haven't done a full analysis, but I strongly suspect that write_cache() isn't in any of the biggest stack usage paths |
| 21:39:08 | gevaerts | hm |
| 21:43:01 | kugel | http://pastie.org/2305386 <- IMO the readability suffered a lot, but code readability is subjective |
| 21:43:14 | CIA-14 | New commit by gevaerts (r30235): Make scrobbler_flush_cache() static |
| 21:45:26 | gevaerts | kugel: I'd leave it as two buffers for now. The most critical path (stack-wise) seems to come from the ata idle callback, which (if it is a problem, which I doubt) will show up *very* quickly... |
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| 21:46:57 | kugel | roger that :) |
| 21:47:17 | CIA-14 | r30235 build result: 1 errors, 1 warnings (gevaerts committed) |
| 21:49:53 | kugel | gevaerts: I would continue to prepare stuff for compaction enablement. should I make that in a way it can be reviewed and committed separately? |
| 21:50:41 | gevaerts | kugel: smaller patches are easier to review, so I'm all for that |
| 21:50:52 | kugel | then I need to re-arrange a bit :) |
| 21:51:22 | * | gevaerts does not want to see that error/warning ever again! |
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| 22:08:50 | * | gevaerts hopes his fix won't make things explode |
| 22:10:15 | gevaerts | By the way, read_bmp_fd() is officially unmaintainable |
| 22:10:31 | CIA-14 | r30236 build result: All green |
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| 22:11:15 | gevaerts | hm |
| 22:11:28 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure my "fix" won't actually change anything :( |
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| 22:13:44 | CIA-14 | New commit by gevaerts (r30237): Move the "warning suppression" down, so it comes after the last write to "remote", to ensure better warning avoidance |
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| 22:17:11 | CIA-14 | r30237 build result: 18 errors, 0 warnings (gevaerts committed) |
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| 22:17:57 | gevaerts | :( |
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| 22:21:35 | CIA-14 | New commit by gevaerts (r30238): #ifdef hell makes effectively suppressing this warning impossible, so stop trying |
| 22:21:39 | * | gevaerts gives up |
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| 22:30:41 | bluebroth3r | [Saint]: what patches are in your Android build? Interestingly svn with my patches (basically only the resources on SD card) crashes the service on my phone. Your does run but has the no-sound-for-ogg-files issue :/ |
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| 22:37:21 | [Saint] | bluebroth3r: Oh, that's a known issue? |
| 22:37:41 | [Saint] | I wondered why the ringtones on my phone crash RaaA. |
| 22:37:55 | [Saint] | Ummm....one second. |
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| 22:39:41 | [Saint] | bluebroth3r: FS #12063, FS #11577, FS #11767, FS #11891, FS #12057, FS #12132 - 0008 |
| 22:39:42 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12063 Android: put resources on SD card (patches, new) |
| 22:39:42 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11577 Adjustable inter-ear delay for crossfeed (patches, closed) |
| 22:39:43 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11767 Meier crossfeed (patches, new) |
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| 22:39:43 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11891 Add mp3 gap skipping support to improve gapless playback (patches, unconfirmed) |
| 22:39:44 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12057 Manual fonts are bitmaps (bugs, closed) |
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| 22:39:44 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12132 tagnavi: Support "basename" in formats and conditions; replace <Untagged> in track views (patches, new) |
| 22:40:37 | [Saint] | plus a patch that removes the check for the hold switch for iPod bootloaders, and three patches related to the main menu that aren't versioned as they're mine and I doubt they make a flying fudge of difference. |
| 22:42:09 | [Saint] | notlistening: Sorry, I needed sleep. |
| 22:42:24 | [Saint] | Did you try just doing "make" and not "make fullzip"? |
| 22:43:53 | [Saint] | bluebroth3r: *s/FS #12057/FS #12075/ |
| 22:43:54 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12057 Manual fonts are bitmaps (bugs, closed) |
| 22:43:54 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12075 Add timeout to quickscreen (patches, unconfirmed) |
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| 22:50:17 | ukleinek | does someone happen to have docs about nand on rk27xx? The reference manual for rk27xx that is floating around in the net only lists the features and refers to another document. |
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| 22:53:16 | bluebroth3r | [Saint]: no idea if it's a known issue. It's a known issue for my phone :) |
| 22:53:37 | bluebroth3r | I need to give that a look but not tonight |
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| 22:55:39 | [Saint] | bluebroth3r: Interestingly, not *all* of my phones packaged ringtones crash RaaA. |
| 22:55:51 | [Saint] | some play, and some "play" but have no sound. |
| 22:56:13 | [Saint] | other "play" but have times listed that FAR exceed their playtime. |
| 22:56:25 | [Saint] | ~13 mins listed for a ~2 second clip, etc. |
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| 22:57:59 | [Saint] | there's one that "plays" but the result is an infinite amount (the timer will increment indefinitely, get to the end of the progressbar, and them keep incrementing without switching tracks. |
| 22:58:32 | [Saint] | *s/switching tracks/switching tracks and produces a REALLY annoying "white noise/screeching./ |
| 22:59:12 | [Saint] | Google Music plays it fine, perhaps I should pull these .ogg files off the handset and put them on the tracker. |
| 22:59:55 | evilnick | Are they chained ogg files? |
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| 23:00:15 | [Saint] | Ummmm...I'm not sure what that means. |
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| 23:00:45 | [Saint] | They're just the crappy ringtones and/or UI soundeffects that came with the phone. |
| 23:01:43 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:01:43 | * | [Saint] literally just woke up, I shall investigate what type of files they are and their properties vs what plays and what doesn't this afternoon. |
| 23:03:30 | n1s | afaik, the three kinds of files that don't play are chained oggs, ogg with id3 tags and files that use too much memory (often due to largeish embedded album art) |
| 23:04:15 | evilnick | Ogg with id3 tags don't play at all? |
| 23:05:10 | bluebroth3r | ogg files shouldn't have id3 tags. |
| 23:05:55 | evilnick | Well, yes, clearly, but I'd have assumed that when parsed the id3 tags are discarded but the file would be playable |
| 23:06:15 | n1s | evilnick: they might just glitch at some point or something, depending on what part of the ogg container they corrupt but it has caused files to not play iirc |
| 23:06:57 | n1s | i guess it depends on the tagging software |
| 23:08:36 | [Saint] | Ah.....idv3 tags are the problem? |
| 23:08:45 | [Saint] | some of these files do have tags indeed. |
| 23:08:56 | evilnick | s/are/might be/ |
| 23:09:26 | evilnick | If there's a consistent correlation between the behaviour of those with id3 vs. those without then we might have a winner |
| 23:09:58 | [Saint] | It *must* be possible to play them, though. Just not something Rockbox is able to do? |
| 23:10:12 | [Saint] | Google Music (and the Android OS itself) manages it quite well. |
| 23:10:47 | evilnick | Well, having id3 tags on vorbis files is non-standard, so anyone who uses RB wouldn't use id3 on vorbis :) |
| 23:12:21 | [Saint] | Yeah...'cos Rb users are renowned for their completely standard behaviour. :P |
| 23:16:42 | n1s | we usually don't support the nonstandard tags, i guess because it's hard to know what the "right" nonstandard behaviour really is and there might be variations etcf |
| 23:16:50 | n1s | s/etcf/etc/ |
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