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#rockbox log for 2011-08-07

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00:26:45AlexPsideral: If your file is chained oggs (multiple streams concatenated), then yes
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00:27:49sideralAlexP: I think it is; various ogg tools I have report 4 streams in it. But Rockbox doesn't even play back the first part
00:28:01AlexPyeah, known limitation
00:28:15gevaertsWouldn't the first bit be played?
00:28:19AlexPI don't know if there is anything more to it than nobody has looked at it
00:28:25AlexPgevaerts: In Rockbox, apparently not
00:28:31AlexPThere are other reports of this
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00:29:46sideralis there an obvious way to concatenate the 4 streams into one?
00:30:12gevaertsI *think* that's all there is to it
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00:30:54sideralNo, I mean, when I have such a concatenated ogg file with 4 parts, I'd like to convert it to a single ogg file with a single part that Rockbox will play back
00:31:13sideralwithout reencoding it ;)
00:31:26AlexPah :)
00:31:50AlexPdon't know :)
00:31:57gevaertsMaybe ffmpeg with -acodec copy?
00:32:14sideralworth a try, thanks gevaerts
00:41:51AlexPsideral: Thanks for the 3.9 branch commits btw
00:42:21sideralsure thing AlexP!
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01:14:33sideralNo luck with ffmpeg. It doesn't seem to be able to map multiple input streams into one output stream
01:20:35gevaertsI suspect the best you can do might be to just extract all streams and add a playlist
01:21:37JdGordonHaimN: that vid looks like you need to update your transation file.. or are you using a patch to add the "set as X quickscreen item" in the menus?
01:22:26JdGordonI'll be bored stiff in a bus for 3 hours this afternoon so ill fix %cs then for that
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01:27:43sideralgevaerts: Another option that's probably easier than reencoding is to fix Rockbox's Ogg Vorbis parser to support chained ogg files :)
01:28:07gevaertssideral: I'm not a specialist, but I understood it's not that simple
01:29:12HaimNJdGordon: because the translation of the "theme menu" in the setting? its happened only in the simulator, in the player the translation is OK
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01:36:06gevaertssideral: I can't find details, but from looking through irc logs it seems that while basic playback of chained oggs may be doable, seeking would be very hard or impossible
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01:37:19sideralgevaerts: Yeah, guess so. Although Audacious does a decent job seeking as long as stream boundaries are not crossed
01:38:14gevaertsIt looks like the consensus is that they're both rare and annoying to work with, which means nobody could be bothered to work on supporting them
01:39:19sideralUnderstandable. I also came across just one radio station that uses this format
01:42:43gevaertsAnyway, if you want to split them, there seems to be a thing called oggsplit somewhere
01:46:19sideralyeah, I found that. works fine.
01:50:36sideralit just doesn't integrate with my podcast sync workflow very well
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03:58:02HillshumHow does one go about procuring the latest Android builds?
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04:05:56mc2739Hillshum: try here:,28315.0.html
04:06:19*Hillshum also discovered rasher's builds
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08:55:27HaimNJdGordon: I'm going soon to Yeshiva, and I did not get home until after Tisha B'Av, there is some progress with the tag %cs ? Or are you busy right now?
09:03:41JdGordonHaimN: have an easy fast, ill be working on it for the next few hours
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09:09:13HaimNJdGordon: Ok thanks, I'll check it out after Tisha B'Av, have an easy fast!
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09:21:53JdGordonHaimN: also, instead of asking, you can check all recent commits from the homepage
09:25:14HaimNJdGordon: Yes, I know, but I did not see anything and I have to go now, so I wanted to know if did it but not put it yet in SVN
09:26:30JdGordonit wouldnt matter if it was done but not in svn....
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09:31:54HaimNI wanted to know if you'll put soon :) and you answered me next few hours, That's all I wanted to know
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10:39:58CIA-14New commit by jdgordon (r30261): %cs (current screen) changes: ...
10:42:46CIA-14r30261 build result: 0 errors, 2 warnings (jdgordon committed)
10:43:28HaimNJdGordon: thanks a lot, I'll check it out now
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11:27:45HaimNJdGordon: in the tag %Li I have to put '1' as [subimage offset] - %xd(images,%LI,1) because if not, it's start from -1, I think that when you did that 'icon 0 is "no icon"' by mistake did it with a minus or something like that
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11:32:30JdGordonHaimN: 0 is supposed to be "no icon"
11:35:51CIA-14New commit by jdgordon (r30262): woops
11:37:05HaimNOh, I did not understand it right, so if I want to put a icon for what he has no icon (in the file browser), what can I do?
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11:38:39CIA-14r30262 build result: All green
11:40:50JdGordonHaimN: you can use that slot, or %if()
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12:13:23PhageHi guys. I just noticed that IPod nano 2nd gen is fully supported. One guestion I couldn't find from FAQ: is rockbox compatible with
12:15:00bertrikYou can enable scrobbling on rockbox. Then every track played gets logged in a file that should be compatible.
12:16:14bertrikSee also
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12:28:33HaimN_JdGordon: but I still have to put '1' as [subimage offset] - %xd(images,%LI,1) because if not, I cant use the first icon for the database, look at this:
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14:08:43gevaertsTorne:,28554.0.html might finally be our chance to figure out if your large disk on gigabeat S ideas work
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14:19:57Eulero_Classic80hi all
14:20:12Eulero_Classic80i'm not able to use rockbox with my ipod classic 80 gb
14:20:17Eulero_Classic80anyone can help me ?
14:22:51n1sEulero_Classic80: maybe, if you specify the problem
14:23:45Eulero_Classic80it freeze after first reboot on usb connect
14:25:12n1sEulero_Classic80: sounds like you might have the same usb problems i had, if you do you need this patch
14:26:19n1sit's a bit tricky to install, you basically need to redo the install and install a patched build right after the install is complete.
14:26:28n1sas usb should work after dfu mode
14:27:39Eulero_Classic80how install the patch ?
14:29:22n1syou need to get the rockbox source, patch it and compile
14:29:42Eulero_Classic80i don't know how man ... can help me ?
14:29:56Eulero_Classic80can give me your patched version ?
14:30:47n1si can build one, just need to update svn i guess
14:31:23Eulero_Classic80tnx man i wait for you
14:33:31Eulero_Classic80classic_usbfix_v3.diff (1.3 KiB)
14:33:39Eulero_Classic80i think this might solve my problem
14:39:59n1sok, uploaded a build here
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15:04:01Eulero_Classic80n1s i have to instal it directly ?
15:05:10bertrikunzip it to the root of your player's file system
15:05:31Eulero_Classic80after a new install ?
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15:23:08n1sEulero_Classic80: yeah, if you have the same usb problem i do, usb with the rockbox build bundled with the installer will only work after you do the dfu thing to install
15:23:33n1sso after a new install, install the patched build over the bundled build without rebooting
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17:23:58CIA-14New commit by buschel (r30263): Submit FS #12218. Add support for embedded album art for ASF tags. For now the support is limited to embedded pictures of max 64 KB size.
17:26:32CIA-14r30263 build result: All green
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17:31:09Eulero_Classic80n1sr u there ?
17:31:23Eulero_Classic80your patch is perfect !
17:31:39Eulero_Classic80now it is perfectly useful
17:31:48Eulero_Classic80u r great
17:32:12Eulero_Classic80suggest me a theme for my cpassic
17:45:12user890104Eulero_Classic80: all ipod video themes (320x240) should work:
17:45:36mystica555i believe he wanted a qualitative opinion, not a dry fact
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17:48:49n1sEulero_Classic80: great!
17:49:12Eulero_Classic80n1s u r great !
17:49:25Eulero_Classic80any suggest for extras and theme ?
17:49:34n1shopefully the patch will get merged at some point
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19:10:00chuI have a Gigabeat S60
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19:10:33chuI'm trying to install a 160Gb MK1634GAL in it
19:11:10chubut the bootloader can only recognize 228GB
19:11:58chuif I boot into rockbox and change the Size of the partition to 160Gb
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19:12:18chuafter reboot the bootloader will display error code 4
19:12:28chuand reformat the partition back to 128GB
19:13:52gevaertschu: yes, that's the big problem on the gigabeat s: the boot code doesn't like more than 128GB, and it resets everything to a state it does like
19:15:16chuare there any work around ?
19:15:33gevaertsTorne is the one to talk to. He has ideas for how to work around this
19:16:59gevaertsI'm not sure if he's online today
19:19:28chuok, thank for your help
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20:10:39Buschelhey saratoga, didn't see you for a while :)
20:11:23Buschelcould you check the latest state of FS #12176 ? I would like to submit it as a first step
20:11:25fs-bluebot New Chiptune codec pack based on Game_Music_Emu library ;) (patches, unconfirmed)
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20:30:25saratogaBuschel: very busy lately with things
20:30:32saratogabut I am in favor of getting that patch in
20:30:38saratogaalthough I dno't know much about game music formats
20:40:59BuschelI will take this as a +1 :)
20:41:21Tornegevaerts: ah, slightly too late :)
20:43:35gevaertsTorne: that's what the forums are for :)
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22:01:07CIA-14New commit by buschel (r30264): Submit initial patch from FS #12176. Adds support for several new game music formats (AY, GBS, HES, KSS, SGC, VGM and VGZ) and replaces the current NSF ...
22:01:45*Buschel braces for impact
22:05:08CIA-14r30264 build result: 22 errors, 495 warnings (buschel committed)
22:05:27Buschelnot too bad :)
22:14:42bertrikThe error seem to happen for low-memory targets
22:16:57Buschelyes. I want to check if I can get nsf compiling again...
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22:18:53saratogasour about that small DRAM on the ClipV1
22:19:28saratogabertrik: i looked into that reported SD access noise on teh CLip+, it seems to be a hardware defect on some players, not really something we can do much about
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22:20:14bertriksaratoga, oh ok, but I think some of the reports said it didn't happen in the OF
22:20:48saratogathe recordings someone sent me have it in both the OF and RB, although its a bit less noticable in the OF since its streams from NAND rather then buffering a couple MB at once
22:20:51bertrikwe do disable the clock to the sd card in between transfer, I wonder if that can explain it
22:21:27saratogai had someone test that as well and they said it didn't help
22:21:37bertrikah, so it's more of a constant noise, maybe not as conspicuous as an intermittent interference
22:21:41saratogathe noise is just like on the e200v1, it happens as long as the transfer is going, not just a click at the start
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22:22:39saratogayes plotting the waveforms shows that the OF generates lots of high frequency clicks, while rockbox generates more box-like static
22:23:00saratogaprobably not so much of the OF's clicks ends up in the audible spectrum
22:23:08bertrikthe patch I put in that task is not complete, it just prevents us completely powering down the sd controller, but even when powered up, we do use the clock-stop feature built into the sd controller
22:23:38bertrikWhat do you mean by box-like static?
22:23:51saratogawhen buffering starts theres a long peroid of intense static
22:23:59saratogarather then rythmic clicks of it
22:24:34saratoga(that happen continuously)
22:26:38saratogaah yes, the FFT of the OF's is a wide frequency comb, while rockbox's is a couple intense harmonics below 1kHz
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22:28:40saratogai guess if someone wanted they could disable a lot of the audiobuffer space and get something more like the OF
22:28:48CIA-14New commit by buschel (r30265): Fix yellow and red. Disable NSF, VGM, SGC and KSS formats for low memory targets for now.
22:29:42bertriksaratoga, then finally I wonder why some people hear it and others don't. Perhaps the HERMON/COMBO4E difference (on the clip+) makes a difference for the noise?
22:29:55saratogano idea how to predict it
22:30:27bertrikor perhaps it differs for different external sd cards or internal NAND chips
22:31:18saratogai suspect theres some revision or batch of chips that have a minor defect
22:31:43saratogai don't think i recall anyone with early model clip+ players reporting it
22:32:04CIA-14r30265 build result: All green
22:32:35saratogabertrik: also, did you look at all into IAP over USB support?
22:32:43bertriksaratoga, no
22:33:25saratogawas curious how similar that would be to the proposed Android USB audio spec
22:33:58bertrikI bought a ipod nano 1g and a knock-off remote to work on iap and planned to use this to improve iap, but I think the remote does something non-standard
22:34:18bertrikI have no idea so far about android usb audio :)
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22:36:19bertrikI've never heard the problem on my clip+ and I have a variant 0, but on the other hand I have tin ears
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22:36:58saratogamine doesn't have it either
22:37:25saratogaflipping through a bunch of all 0 sample WAVs doesn't generate anything beyond the roar of white amplifier noise on mine
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23:12:22CIA-14New commit by buschel (r30266): The manual should reflect that some synthesizer codecs are switched off for low memory targets.
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23:15:08CIA-14r30266 build result: 0 errors, 1 warnings (buschel committed)
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23:19:28CIA-14New commit by buschel (r30267): Remove 'set but not used' warning.
23:20:14jhMikeSBuschel: None of those actually run yet?
23:20:22bertrikoh, about that warning, do we have any policy for that yet?
23:20:55bertrikLike, can we force enable this on older compilers? Or should we upgrade those?
23:21:14jhMikeShmmm...why didn't I see metadata.c in there?
23:21:24BuscheljhMikeS: only NSF ran before moving to new library.
23:21:57jhMikeSI missed the "51 more changes" link :p
23:22:21CIA-14r30267 build result: All green
23:23:45BuscheljhMikeS: yes, it was a large commit ;)
23:24:21jhMikeSthe best kind!
23:25:08jhMikeSglad I have a gigabeat S so I can actually use them :)
23:25:41gevaertsBuschel: does this mean we're dropping NSF for lowmem players?
23:26:21Buschelonly until the memory consumption is lowered. it can be configured, but I need to contact the original patches author for this
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23:27:59*gevaerts doesn't actually use NSF, so he doesn't care too much anyway
23:28:07bertrika lot of local functions in that codec can be made static, but probably not enough to make a real difference w.r.t. binsize
23:28:25Buschelthe CPU emulators use lots of arrays, some of them were already tailored for rockbox. there is some more tweaking needed −− I already posted some details to FS #12176
23:28:26fs-bluebot New Chiptune codec pack based on Game_Music_Emu library ;) (patches, unconfirmed)
23:28:44jhMikeSwasn't there some floating point hanging around in those?
23:28:53funmanany work on switching to gcc-4.5 or 4.6? (and being able to study -flto)
23:29:02bertrikI saw some floating point stuff in the new codec
23:29:55Buschelso, I just submitted some more stuff for us to tweak ;)
23:30:43bertrikcan't we use any floating point in rockbox?
23:31:04jhMikeSfloating point = verboten
23:31:09funmaniiuc it will be emulated by gcc but super slow
23:31:26funmanso not in codecs
23:31:38bertrikoh, ok, so that probably explains a large part of the binsize problem
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23:58:54bertrikBagder, can you help get a new clip+ bootloader up? saratoga prepared one, it solves a panic on boot for some people.

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