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#rockbox log for 2011-08-12

00:00:04kugelntfs supports that AFAIK
00:01:19saratogai think this is some virtualbox trick where its driver is smart enough to expand the image file when it loads it
00:01:25kugelsideral: no idea then
00:01:47n1ssaratoga: if you put that on the wiki it would probably be nice if we removed links to the outdated VM's since people seem to still download the oldest one and have trouble with it
00:01:47sideralOK, thanks kugel!
00:02:14kugeldidn't we want to provide .debs of the compilers instead of VM images?
00:02:16saratogan1s: yea i'm going to
00:02:24saratogajust hoping someone else could test it to make sure it works on other systems
00:02:42saratogain case i somehow made it 64 bit only or something stupid
00:03:11sideralsaratoga: I've stumbled over some MP3 files that contain a lot of 0x55 (padding?) bytes after the ID3v2 header (after id3->first_frame_offset bytes), interspersed with some "LAME3.98." strings and other junk. Any idea what that might be?
00:03:23saratogasideral: probably padding
00:03:40saratogausually id3v2 tags are padded to the nearest 4k or 16k or whatever boundary
00:03:43n1ssaratoga: if i have time tomorrow i can try it on my netbook
00:03:51saratogathat way if someone adds a tag you don't have to rewrite the entire file
00:03:58sideraldoes the codec know to ignore these bytes despite first_frame_offset pointing before them?
00:03:59n1s(which is 32 bit)
00:05:33saratogasideral: assuming its padding, it should, most id3v2 tags will have it
00:05:38saratogaif its something else then maybe not
00:05:54kugeljhMikeS: how errno isn't thread-local is it?
00:06:34saratoga" The value of the padding bytes must be $00."
00:06:38saratogahmm so maybe not padding
00:07:04saratogacould be part of embedded album art or something
00:08:23sideralsaratoga: Here's part of that data:
00:08:34jhMikeSkugel: no
00:09:26kugelany reason for that?
00:09:32kugelother than we don't bother? :)
00:09:45kugelnot that we use errno extensively
00:09:46jhMikeSI think nobody bothered
00:10:02saratogasideral: doesn't look familiar to me, but i don't know much about ID3
00:10:21sideralcould this be part of an MPEG program stream?
00:11:37saratogai don't think so
00:11:55saratogathe mpeg headers are small, and the contents of the stream itself are compressed and so would not have such low entropy sequences
00:12:10sideralfile says these tracks are Audio Data Transport Streams (ADTS)
00:12:15saratogayou could try opening the file in foobar and see what it reports
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00:13:11sideralNever used that program. Is it Win-only?
00:14:16saratogaits kind of the gold standard
00:14:41saratogawhat happens when rockbox loads this file?
00:15:00sideralit just works
00:15:19sideralmpg123 says there's a Xing header in there. what is that?
00:16:05TorneVBR index thingy
00:16:32saratogaXing headers are on pretty much all modern mp3 files
00:17:05saratogausually a modern file has a xing header and a lame tag at the top
00:17:37sideralmaybe that's it? there's this strange LAME substring in there
00:19:13saratogathe usual headers are very short, pretty much just a few bytes identifing the file, some gapless info and a 100 entry seek table
00:20:50sideralyeah, something like that is just before the 0x55 block
00:21:27saratogaif you're already like 5KB into the file, you're probably looking at the end of an id3v2 tag
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00:22:27sideralThe 0x55 extend 12 KB into the file
00:22:41sideralalso, I just noticed that there are more 0x55 at the end of the file
00:24:06sideralI think there's a good chance that this is not ID3v2. I downloaded the file from Soundcloud, where there usually are no ID3 headers/footers, and tacked on the (short) ID3v2 header afterwards
00:25:51saratogapeople do weird things to mp3 files since you can usually get away with it
00:25:55sideral(just downloading it again to make sure)
00:26:08saratogafoobar at least should be able to strip and retag the stream
00:26:47saratogahuh 7zip compression is not as good if i use 10 threads instead of just 2
00:27:07saratogamaybe i can get that image under 500MB
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00:28:49sideralmy motivation is that I'd like to ID tracks by CRCing a part of them (for fixing fuzzy DB resurrection), and those redundant parts give me duplicates
00:29:13sideralso I'd like to know whether there's a way to find the real compressed audio data
00:29:25saratogathe mpeg headers let you know if you're looking at audio data
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00:30:12saratogaalthough thats obviously MP3 specific
00:30:58sideralI'd like to rely on whatever the metadata parser puts into the mp3entry structure
00:32:04sideralbut right now only the MP3 parser makes a half-assed attempt to identify the end of the header by filling in a non-zero first_frame_offset
00:32:19saratogayea i think some of the logic is in mpa.c
00:32:45saratogaalternatively, you could look at the mp3 CRC, which is always at the start of the file and should be unique on almost all files
00:32:59saratogaalthough in theory someone could have decided to remove it
00:33:16sideralinteresting idea
00:33:38saratogawould be easy enough to have the metadata parser store it if it doesn't already
00:34:01saratogait has to parse that header anyway
00:34:09n1salso mp3 specific though
00:34:12sideralthat would save the CRC computation at least for MP3 files
00:34:53saratogai think vorbis has a crc too
00:35:17saratogaas do pretty much all lossless format
00:35:25sideralhow would streamable formats fill this in?
00:35:35n1sit has a per page or packet or whatever they are called one but not sure about a whole file one but possibly
00:35:47n1sogg that is
00:36:16saratogayeah so its just a crc of the start of the file, but should be unique since its hard to combine vorbis files in a way that renders them playable in rockbox :)
00:36:33sideralhmm. problem is a CRC of the first few seconds is not enough, as many podcasts have the same audio intro
00:36:44sideralthat's on trap I already stepped into :)
00:37:13sideralright now I'm seeking 10 KB into the file
00:37:32sideraler, 1 MB
00:38:08saratogatry it and see
00:38:17saratogai bet its rare to have an identical start even if the audio is the same
00:38:27sideralI did try that, and I found dupes
00:38:37saratogawith the vorbis crc?
00:39:01sideralno, with MP3-encoded podcasts, CRCing the actual audio data myself
00:39:13saratogawow tweaking the 7zip parameters shaved ~60MB off the file size
00:39:27saratogabut you only CRCed a point 10KB into the file?
00:39:55saratogawould guess that you had tracks with the same embedded album art file :)
00:40:04sideralI tried various points: directly after first_frame_offset, first_frame_offset + 4 KB, +10 KB, and +1 MB
00:40:47sideralsaratoga: No, I skipped behind any ID3 header (first_frame_offset does that much)
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00:41:30sideralalso, my podcast downloader shaves off any album art
00:42:11n1swhat is this crc'ing for?
00:42:15sideralanyway, I got lots of dupes at offsets < 10 KB
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00:43:10sideraln1s: The context is FS #12076, where I now try to restore the fuzzy resurrection feature that I turned off before because it resurrected DB data for similar, but nonidentical tracks
00:43:11fs-bluebot Autoresume feature can start from wrong offset due to resurrection of old runtime stats (bugs, assigned)
00:43:56sideralmy approach right now is to ID the audio to tell similarly tagged tracks apart
00:44:07kugelgreat, hwcodec seems to work with buflib as well
00:45:07saratogasmaller file
00:45:52n1ssideral: so you want to store the crc in the db for each file and check it if a file moves?
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00:47:06sideralif too few tags match, I'd rerun the CRC and compare that
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00:49:56sideralis 0xfffb an MPEG syncronization mark?
00:51:43n1srandom offsetts etc might hit some special location in some specific file type so i'd say full crc's is the way to go but the initial crc calculation when building the db would be sort of expensive
00:52:43sideralyeah, that'd be too expensive. I'm already worried because seeking to 10 MB to avoid dupes might be taking to long.
00:53:00sideralAnd the issue of skipping over any metadata the user might have changed in between remains
00:53:12n1smany files won't be 10MB so you'd end up at the end of them too
00:53:13kugelfull crc if tags change, no?
00:53:29sideralso it'd have to be full CRC minus the metadata
00:53:33n1skugel: yeah but you need the crc to compare to
00:54:10kugelthe crc is meant as additional measure if the tags changed, iirc
00:54:10sideralkugel: the idea is to find retagged, renamed tracks that are actually the same track as one the DB already knows about
00:54:39n1si've seen files with 1MB AA and such an album would probably get all identical crc's if you crc'ed a few kb at some offset in the image
00:54:54sideralkugel: (The existing CRCs have another purpose. they're just hashes for tag strings that might not be in the DB any more.)
00:55:34sideraln1s: I'd hope that AA would be skipped as metadata, that is id3->first_frame_offset would point after the AA
00:56:48n1syes it should, i thought you were doing file offsetts
00:57:09sideralyeah, this won't work for small files. but those generally don't have the problem this is trying to solve, which seems to be fairly specific to podcasts (episodes with very similar metadata)
00:57:19n1saudio offsetts hould be more reliable but you can still hit corner cases
00:58:22n1semulated and chip formats might also have identical parts that are not metadata though
00:58:39n1sanyway, i think this kind of guesswork logic is a bad idea
00:58:50sideraln1s: yeah, I ran into that as well with my atari chiptunes library :)
00:59:09kugeln1s: i tend to agree
00:59:42kugelbut then i dont see lots of value in this resurrection
00:59:43sideralI personally don't rely on fuzzy resurrection either, but roolku found it important enough to reopen the FS task
01:00:24sideral(non-fuzzy) resurrection, though, is rather critical to have, because it's the only mechanism to recover DB data for tracks on removable media
01:01:14sideralthe point of this work is to reenable fuzzy resurrection by making it more precise
01:01:37sideralby IDing the tracks with audio-data CRCs
01:02:44sideralconvincing people to drop fuzzy resurrection for good certainly would be easier than completing this work :)
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06:23:20jbeattyis Rockbox 100% libre or does it contain proprietary firmware?
06:32:01JdGordonwell... depends on how much you want to fight the FSF regarding GPL
06:32:11jbeattyBSD code is libre
06:32:29JdGordongpl isnt
06:33:07jbeattyfreedom-for-users, not freedom-for-developers ;) it's a debate I'd be happy to indulge in if I had the time.
06:33:40jbeattyat the moment I'm just trying to find a good media player for my younger brother without sacrificing principles
06:36:13JdGordonyour principles dont exten as far as IP protection?
06:37:38jbeattyif people don't want to deal with the "viral" nature of the GPL, don't use GPL code
06:37:46jbeattyit's really that simple.
06:38:18jbeatty(but to be more to the point, no, I don't believe in "intellectual property")
06:39:29alexbobpI <3 the GPL
06:40:01alexbobpit basically establishes the community as a company in competition with all the vendors of proprietary software
06:40:13alexbobpwhich IMO is what we need if we actually want to see open source *beat* proprietary software
06:40:16alexbobpin the market
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06:40:41jbeattyexactly, plus the GPL is an easy way for developers to firmly state "I do not want my code in proprietary products"
06:40:54jbeattywhich is the essense of the whole IP argument in the first place, right? developer desires?
06:41:09JdGordonthis is off topic, join #rockbox-community
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13:31:53*n1s ponders trying to clean up the codec optimization flag mess but is lacking good ideas.
13:32:37n1sAFAICT we can do it like we do now, setting the flags directly in the makefiles or we could use #pragmas handled by the PP
13:33:05Zagorwhat advantage would #pragmas give?
13:34:01n1sslightly easier to do them per arm generation without duplicating that stuff as make vars but not much else
13:34:42n1sthe big problem is that to be optimal we need a setting per arch(generation (for arm)) per codec
13:34:53n1satm it's only arm/cf/default
13:35:05ZagorI think a major drawback is that we don't have compiler flags outside the makefiles anywhere else (or do we?)
13:35:47n1si don't think so
13:36:25n1si don't think that we do that is. i agree it is a drawback as it's a bit non obvious that a header would set these flags
13:36:57Zagoryes. some ifdef magic in the makefiles should be able to do the same, no?
13:41:14Zagorthat gets my vote then
13:41:22n1sit would be neat to have it a bit centralized so you could set a default for an arch and define exceptions only where needed. can make do that?
13:42:52n1si wonder if something like that could go in the template stuff...
13:43:22n1si guess i need to read up a bit on make :)
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13:56:35kugelpn1s: newer gcc allow pragma for optimization
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13:56:51kugelp4.5+ iirc
13:58:31sideralI think you can define target-specific compiler flags in GNU Make, as in: plugin.o: OPTFLAGS = -Osomething # defines these OPTFLAGS for all dependencies of plugin.o
13:59:17siderallook for "Target-specific Variable Values" in the make info doc
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14:18:47n1skugel: yes i know, that's why i suggested it as a possible way to do it
14:19:07kugelI would prefer that way
14:20:02n1saccording to the docs it works in 4.4 to otherwise it would be quite useless with our current arm toolchain
14:20:23n1sbut why do you prefer it over makefiles?
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14:23:08kugelI dislike working with makefiles
14:23:51n1si do too but that is the only reason i can come up with :)
14:24:02kugelisn't that enough?
14:24:33kugelanother reason is that changing the makefiles doesn't trigger a rebuild as changing the source files does, which very often trapped me
14:24:35Zagorunless you want to replace make with something else, splitting compiler options into more files isn't an improvement
14:26:00gevaertskugel: disliking something enough reason to prefer something else, sure, but it's usually not a convincing argument :)
14:27:34n1ssideral: yes, that might come in handy
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14:34:20n1sZagor: is the rule in codecs.make used for the files in a codec subdir if there's no special compilation rule in the subdir's .make?
14:49:05n1saha, thanks
14:49:13Zagoror, let me check
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14:52:09Zagorwhich directory has no .make?
14:53:07n1suh, no. i mean if there's no rule for making the .o'
14:53:13n1ss in the .make
14:53:32n1sfor example
14:54:28kugelthey are made with the default rules by adding them to OTHER_SRC, IIUC
14:54:55Zagorrules are path mathing and don't care where the makefile is located
14:56:05Zagorall files without explit rules are compiled by the general rule in root.make
14:56:19Zagor$(BUILDDIR)/%.o: $(ROOTDIR)/%.c
14:56:51n1saha, ok
14:58:17Zagoryikes, a <2min build round
14:59:33*kugel wonders if roolku considered to put the ccache on a ramdisk
14:59:58kugelI did, but 4GB RAM is not enough :)
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15:29:14AlexPWe'd be buggered without roolku :)
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16:18:38kugelAlexP: shh, don't tell this in public! :)
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17:02:24kugelgevaerts: is there something you want to see (and I have perhaps forgotten about) before gsoc ends?
17:03:17kugelI'm basically done with compaction enablement, so I'm testing right, and not sure if there's anything left to implement (since we yesterday agreed on not touching buffering for now)
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17:24:11gevaertskugel: I'd like to see as much of your work committed as possible, but apart from that I can't really think of anything
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17:29:09fmlThe order of file formats delivered by the wps tag %fc does not correspont to what is said in the manual. MP3 is not the third option. Is that a known bug?
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17:44:01AlexPfml: It seems to have been changed in r30225
17:44:08AlexPfml: But the manual wasn't updated
17:44:24AlexPI don't know if it affects any inbuilt wps
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17:44:35AlexPOr if the wiki page was updated
17:45:34fmlAlexP: what? The order of the results?
17:45:36AlexPfml: The order of the tag
17:45:36AlexPby kugel
17:45:36*fml looks...
17:46:41pixelmawhy has the order changed?
17:46:42pixelmaI think new formats should go to the end
17:46:42AlexPIt isn't new
17:46:42AlexPMP1 was moved out of the all players section at the start and put into the swcodec section afterwards
17:46:47fml...but the site seems to be down ATM
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17:46:55AlexPSo instead of mp1 mp2 mp3 it goes mp2 mp3 mp1
17:46:59kugelI didn't think of that
17:51:21kugelthe commit can be remade to not break the order (not for swcodec at least) if needed
17:51:21AlexPkugel: It might be nice so we don't break any themes that use the tag
17:51:21AlexPWell, break is a bit strong
17:51:21DBUGEnqueued KICK AlexP
17:51:21AlexPmake incorrect :)
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17:51:21fmlAlexP: ah, now I see. On the one hand, a particular order doesn't matter match. But OTOH it seems more logical if it's MP1, MP2, MP3. I think the patch could be done in a way that would preserve the order (with a bit more typing in the source).
17:51:21AlexPYes, it would be more logical, and it wouldn't make existing themes incorrect
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17:51:21AlexPBut it depends how much more complicated it makes it whether it is worth it
17:51:21kugelfml: can you do that? busy atm
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17:51:56fmlNo, sorry, not now
17:52:15AlexPkugel: You didn't update CustomWPS on the wiki either :)
17:52:38AlexPI think best would be just to put it back :)
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18:00:10kugelAlexP: as I said, I didn't think of it
18:00:19kugeli.e. I was not aware that I changed the order
18:00:32kugelso sure I didn't update CustomWPS
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18:40:06AlexPkugel: Oh right, I didn't realise that is what you didn't realise :)
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18:59:55saratogakugel: about the resampler, I looked through the code only briefly and don't really understand it
19:00:13saratogabut it looks like the current implementation is really weird
19:00:25saratogaand i don't understand why it uses so much memory for what is basically a fairly small filter
19:01:26drezonwhat's weird about it? :)
19:02:36drezonIt's actually pretty straight-forward, if you know how sampling and reconstruction works
19:05:17drezonWell, at least I think it is pretty straight-forward. :)
19:05:39kugeldrezon: did you have a take on exploiting the symmetry? that'd halve memory usage
19:06:14drezonNo, I was pretty busy with real work. Maybe on the week-end.
19:06:19kugelalso switch to int16_t :)
19:06:32drezonThat only works if we drop a bit of precision
19:06:48drezon*And* have sinc(0) at slightly less than 1
19:06:59kugelwhy _and_?
19:07:02drezonBecause it's signed
19:07:11kugeloh right
19:07:14drezonI forgot about that−−
19:07:31kugelit's not signed if you do the symmetry :)
19:07:42kugelno wait, nevermind
19:08:31kugelbut yea, 30k sounds like an awful lot for what it does
19:09:12drezonAs I wrote we can halve that, if we calculate the sinc on-the-fly (i.e. don't have the huge static table anymore)
19:09:31drezonI just don't know (yet) how to use fp_sincos for that
19:09:35kugelthe tables are alternating positive and negative
19:10:00kugelpretty sure you can do the signedness differently
19:10:03drezonlol.. yea we could exploit that
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19:10:34drezonsubtract every second term instead of add
19:10:46drezonYes, should be doable
19:12:08drezonSo if we go for int16, calculate the sinc and use the symmetry we're at ~4K or so
19:12:25kugelthat sounds a lot better than 30k :)
19:14:52kugelI'm not sure calculating the sinc is a good idea though
19:16:30drezonBut the exploiting the signedness only works for upsampling as the sinc is streched for downsampling and thus it is not easily clear where the sinc gets negative
19:17:28saratogadrezon: i still don't understand why you need such a large trig table with such complicated indexing?
19:18:04saratogausing int16 is awkward since armv4 doesn't have a good hardware instruction for multiplying by a 16 bit value
19:18:15saratogait makes sense on armv5+ though
19:18:49kugelsurely armv4 can use 32bit mul for 16bit if it's faster?
19:18:55drezonCan't you just sign-extend to 32bit in the register?
19:19:51kugeldrezon: streched or not, the sign depends on the index (modulo 2) for the table, no?
19:21:28drezonCurrently, yes. But if we calculate the sinc the stretched sinc would be calculated to use the whole table (to get rid of sinc_increment) and then it's not that clear anymore
19:22:40saratogakugel: you can, but you have to use shifts and ands
19:22:44saratogaso its slower
19:23:03*kugel doesn't see that
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19:23:16saratogaarmv5 adds a multiplication instruction that references the top or bottom half of a register
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19:23:19drezonsaratoga: how else would you handle resampling? The code get's the sinc values for the 15 samples at real time t (between sample at current and current+1) and adds them. Just as the reconstruction low-pass would create the analog signal at the time t.
19:23:47kugelsaratoga: it's still 16x16, just that the bits are sign-extended
19:23:50saratogadrezon: isn't this resampler just a convolution of sinc with our input data?
19:23:57kugelthe result is still 32bit so no need for shift
19:24:05drezonThat "between current and current+1" is the 8 bit fractional part and the second array index
19:24:19saratogakugel: if you store them as an array of 16 bit values each register has two 16 bit ints in it
19:25:00drezonKudo-san: probably there are only 32bit loads?
19:25:07drezonkugel i meant ;)
19:25:27kugelarmv4 has half-word loads IIRC
19:25:59saratogakugel: it does, but you want to use load multiple
19:26:13saratogaotherwise you will need 2x the loads, and each will also be 2x slower
19:26:44kugelyou're at asm already aren't you? :)
19:26:54saratogayes :)
19:27:09saratogawell predicting how gcc will handle this
19:27:20kugelI predict gcc does not do that :)
19:27:24saratogabasically if you try this with 16 bit values it will probably get a lot worse even in c
19:28:02saratogaalthough maybe android would be different given all the stuff new arm cpus can do
19:28:09kugelone load + shift + and is still faster than 2 loads
19:28:23drezonsaratoga: it is, but you need the result of that convolution between two sample values. And one (less efficient) way would be to insert as many zeros as needed between samples, then filter. Another way is what I do: calculate the superposition.
19:28:38kugelhm, perhaps not with ldm
19:28:54saratogaif this is just a convolution, i don't understand why we can't just precompute the taps and store them sequentially in memory?
19:29:20saratogaindexing by (fractional!) amounts with fixed point math is going to absolutely kill performance
19:29:27saratogaits probably not all that accurate either
19:29:41saratogaessentially every load is going to be a cache miss
19:31:51drezonBecause we go through the sinc by some fractional increment. In the worst case this has a period of 256, so we'd need all 15*256 coeffs anyway (access would be linear, though). Granted this would only be the case for up sampling by 256.
19:32:06saratogabut we know the ratio in advance
19:32:18saratogaso why compute the index on every single sample rather then just do it once in advance?
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19:35:08drezonThe 8 bit index changes on every sample (it's + increment fractional part % 256). This change is periodic. In the worst case with a period of 256.
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19:36:56drezonIf this is about cache miss: I optimized similar code for x86 by using SSE and reversing the sinc index. I left it at [15][256] because it's easier to understand what's being done. But we could easily reverse this. Then the access would be linear per sinc_upsample() call
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19:37:30saratogayes the index order are backwards, but thats not the biggest issue with doing this efficient
19:37:35saratogadrezon: is there some source for the algorithm itself? maybe i just don't understand how this is different then ordinary convolution
19:37:48drezonAnd if we precalc for downsampling. Same would be for downsample
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19:39:26drezonsaratoga: I "invented" this algorithm myself. It's simply what the reconstruction low-pass does. So there is no source that I know of.
19:41:44drezonBut I'm pretty sure I'm not the first doing this. Actually I would think all oversampling DACs do this in hardware.
19:41:56saratogathey do, although they implement it somewhat differently
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19:42:09saratogausually they first upsample a lot by inserting zeros, and then use a conventional low pass filter
19:42:47drezonI would do it my way. :)
19:42:53saratogai guess the difference that i'm missing here is that you're doing the lowpass and interpolation step at once
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19:43:14saratogaso you need to oversample your kernel since you'll be hitting different point on it with each sample
19:44:02saratogaso basically it is convolution, but not over the input samples exactly, but over the zero padded version of them
19:46:11saratogaheh and the least common multiple in the 48 to 44.1k case is 147 times the base rate
19:46:50saratogaalright well now i understand why everyone uses polynomials instead of sinc resampling for embedded devices :)
19:46:54drezonSo I serached a bit and found this:
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19:47:11drezonI think they do something similar to what I implemented
19:47:45drezonOnly quickly glanced through it, though
19:48:49saratogayeah i understand now
19:49:08saratogai was missing that the huge LCM between the sampling rates means you need to very finely sample the convolution kernel
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19:53:11drezonsaratoga: maybe it would have been easier if I provided my x86 source as that one has an init() function which calculates the sinc. So it's easier to see that we sample it between zero crossings.
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21:46:17saratogadid anyone try my new virtualbox image? curious if its working for other people
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21:49:35amiconnAlexP, kugelp: Changing the order back for swcodec will make themes incompatible between hwcodec and swcodec
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21:53:08AlexPbloody hwcodec
21:53:22AlexPat the least it should be mp3, mp2, mp1 then
21:53:39AlexPIt is just a shame it will make people's themes wrong
21:54:18amiconnMaybe mp3 mp2 mp1 makes more sense
21:54:43amiconnOne day themes will be incompatible between hwcodec and swcodec anyway (if we don't break order again)
21:55:07gevaertsWe've had changes that made themes not work at all without doing much to help. I don't really see the problem with changing something that I suspect most people won't even look at and documenting that change
21:55:28AlexPgevaerts: It isn't a massive issue, I was just trying to avoid it
21:55:39AlexPBut if it can't be avoided, then so be it
21:56:09gevaertsAlexP: maybe we can get JdGordon to make a breaking change at the same time? :)
21:56:21AlexPheh, has he got one coming up by any chance? :)
21:56:27gevaertsNo idea
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22:16:25kugelpamiconn: really?
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22:17:08kugelpcould make mp2 start at 2 for hwcodec?
22:17:11mercutio22Hi. Can someone recommend me a device to use with rockbox? I am off to buy one right now
22:19:33mercutio22I heard good shit about the iriver devices
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22:21:47gevaertsmercutio22: you'll have to be a bit more specific about what you care about
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22:45:00mercutio22gevaerts: I just want a long battery life and plenty of space. I don't care about video.
22:46:46mercutio22it seems like the sansa fuze is the only compatible one still in production
22:47:32gevaertsMaybe the clip too, but I'm not sure
22:47:58AlexPwhat does plenty of space mean to you?
22:48:05AlexPditto long battery
22:48:16gevaertsMake sure you don't get a fuze+ though, unless you want to work on the port instead of actually using it
22:49:08mercutio22battery life should last around 12 hours and space should be ~ 30-40 gb
22:49:29AlexPOK, so clip+ or fuze with a big µSD would do
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22:49:45AlexPCan you get 32 GB µSD yet?
22:50:20AlexPFor that space you might need to look at HDD players
22:50:21mercutio22actually... its ok to have less and latter upgrade microSD cards
22:50:48mercutio22or whatever kind of memory card
22:51:16mercutio22so looks like its narrowed to the sansa fuze v2
22:51:32mercutio22where could I find it?
22:51:35AlexPor clip+
22:51:39AlexPI don't know
22:51:46AlexPI don't even know what country you are in
22:53:11mercutio22I am in NYC right now. I am looking at bestbuy right now. Let me know if anyone has any clues
22:53:18AlexPUSA then?
22:53:25AlexPIn which case I have no idea
22:53:45saratogathe fuze isn't in production FYI
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22:54:59mercutio22oh shit
22:56:12mercutio22I guess I can't get anything that runs rockbox that isn't apple then
22:57:26gevaerts"not in production" doesn't have to mean "not available"
22:58:25mercutio22yea, but I am in NYC for just a couple of days... I can't order, bell is broken and outta home all day ={
23:00:33AlexPclip+ is I think
23:01:44mercutio22lets see if I can find the clip+
23:02:57mercutio22Thanks! I see in their website they might have it!
23:03:05mercutio22I will go have a look
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23:36:31CIA-14New commit by buschel (r30283): 6th part of FS #12176. Reduce memory consumption of libgme emulators to allow enabling of NSF and SGC codecs for low memory targets. The main lookup ...
23:38:58CIA-14r30283 build result: All green
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