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#rockbox log for 2011-08-19

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00:30:36zoso2hey guys i need some help
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00:32:34zoso2I've replaced the music on my sandisk sansa but rockbox will only show the files that used to be there.
00:34:15gevaertsI suspect you set the sansa to MTP
00:36:22zoso2MTP stands for?
00:37:33gevaertsIt stands for Media Transfer Protocol, but I suspect nobody ever uses the long version
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00:39:04zoso2I have no idea if it is or not. I was reading the manual and it said something about Initialize Now which forces it rescan the database, only problem is i can't figure out how to do that
00:39:47zoso2manual doesn't tell me where to find that option
00:41:23AlexPOne way is the context menu on the database menu item
00:41:49AlexPIn the main menu, move the position to database then hold select
00:42:16AlexPWhat player do you have?
00:42:53zoso2oh man, i have to get used to holding buttons down for different menu's. I have Sandisk sansa fuze
00:43:02AlexPv1 or v2?
00:43:14AlexPNot sure if that matters actually
00:43:28AlexPDid you use USB from the Sansa Firmware?
00:44:45zoso2version 2 i think. It plays my music that's all i care, it was 50 bucks and supported by RB that's why i got it
00:44:58AlexPRight, but I'm asking for a specific reason
00:46:37zoso2what do you mean usb from sansa firmware?
00:47:45AlexPDid you use USB mode from Rockbox, or from the Sansa Firmware?
00:48:01AlexPIf it is a Fuzev2 then I don't think Rockbox USb mode is enabled yet
00:48:19AlexPSo you need to check the USB setting in the Sansa firmware, and make sure it is set to MSC
00:49:00zoso2Sansa Firmware i think, just plugged it in and dragged my music onto it
00:49:20AlexPThey look quite different
00:49:32AlexPIf it looked like the Sansa firmware, then it was that
00:50:10AlexPBut either way - check the setting I mentioned (in the Sansa firmware, not Rockbox) and make sure it is MSC (not MTP or auto)
00:50:22AlexPIf it was MTP or auto you will need to recopy the music
00:52:23zoso2I just mounted it on my computer as a drive and dropped my music into it, not RB or sansa firmware specifically. It finished Initializing though and it looks like it fixed everything
00:53:49zoso2and i just changed it to MSC. what does that do?
00:55:22AlexPIt is a different USB mode
00:55:40AlexPIf it works, then great :)
00:57:00zoso2ok, it was set to auto before and it worked
00:59:32zoso2also, does anyone have a problem when they try to put more than a certain number of songs on at once?
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00:59:43AlexPWhat sort of problem?
01:00:19AlexPI doubt it by the way, I have a full 120 GB disk so quite a lot of songs
01:00:29AlexPSo it is probably a setting or something else
01:00:55zoso2whenever i try to put more than about 20 songs on at once, one of the files will turn invisible and an error message with show saying "blah blah blah is invisible and can't be replaced" i'm on Mac BTW
01:01:12AlexPNot a Rockbox issue, whatever it is
01:01:31zoso2yeah didn't thinks so
01:01:37AlexPYou're using the Sansa USB system, so Rockbox isn't involved at that point
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01:02:30zoso2ok right, maybe because of my USB settings. I'll try it now that i changed it
01:03:18AlexPIt may do, I don't know
01:03:34AlexPIt is still Sansa either way, and I have no idea with Macs :)
01:04:42zoso2appears to be working...
01:06:34zoso2maybe changing it to MSC was the fix. thanks Alex
01:06:40AlexPno worries
01:07:16zoso2that's all, see ya
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01:30:12JdGordonAlexP: Vg sets up the colours but doesnt change anything
01:30:22JdGordonto use it you need to use Vs(gradient)
01:30:31AlexPAh, OK
01:30:56*AlexP waits for JdGordon to get to his Vs question just underneath :)
01:31:10JdGordonVs normally wil change the style for all lines untill the end of the viewport
01:31:36AlexPCan you have multiple ones?
01:31:53JdGordonhow do you mean?
01:32:05JdGordoneach line can only have one style, but the viewport can have many
01:32:32JdGordonand when using the gradient style, the number is thew amount of lines the vertical gradient covers, 2 will disable the style after drawing 2 lines
01:32:35AlexPyeah, that's what I meant, multiple %Vs per viewport, to have different lines looking different
01:32:44AlexPah, OK
01:33:46AlexPSo %Vs(gradient) is different to the other %Vs styles, as it isn't active until the end of viewport, but only for the specified number of lines?
01:35:50AlexPmight it be more consistent for it to be active until %V(clear) (or whatever it is), or is that difficult code wise?
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03:03:53JdGordonAlexP: well, that is doable, but im not sure how that makes sense for multi-line gradienting
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09:24:52pamauryhum, indeed the s3c2440 sd driver is super slow, 250Kib/s :-/
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09:34:53pamauryseems like the one who wrote the driver liked putting random delays everywhere...
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09:43:57kugelpamaury: as i said, the driver doesn't work without them
09:45:23pamaurywhich is not normal
09:45:51kugelof course not
09:46:06kugelIt's just very buggy
09:46:50kugelnobody could be bothered with fixing though
09:47:49pamauryurg, does it really need to copy the data to an intermediate buffer ??
09:49:14pamauryI'll have a look soon, it's really annoying
09:52:43kugelpamaury: perhaps a rewrite is on order
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09:57:40wodzpamaury: what is write speed of s3c2440 sd?
09:58:29kugelwodz: It's in the logs, 250kb/s
09:58:54wodzthat's read speed I guess
09:59:07kugeloh don't know then
10:00:39wodzI managed to get reads in range of 400-650kb/s on rk27xx but writes are extremely slow 15-50kb/s
10:01:19wodzthe driver is (almost) symmetric in handling reads/writes so I wonder what's going on :/
10:04:59ukleinekhi wodz, could you already test my nand dump thingy? I guess it doesn't work for you?
10:05:37wodzukleinek: not now, please bug me on monday evening
10:06:17ukleinekwodz: not sure I'll be here on Monday evening
10:06:29wodzI'll try to remember than
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10:13:48pamaurywodz: no idea for write speed but the read speed could be way greater
10:14:58wodzfor 1bit interface at 25MHz it should be 25000000/8/1024/1024 =~ 3MB/s I think
10:15:23pamauryfor reference, on my computer I can read at 14MB/s
10:15:52pamauryso the card is not the limiting factor :)
10:16:06wodzon my computer it is ~12MB/s for this card but linux uses 4bit interface in my reader chip
10:16:25pamaurythe s3c2440 has a 4bit interface
10:16:54wodzDo you switch into 4bit? By default card is in 1bit mode
10:17:03pamauryyes but the driver switch
10:18:29pamauryI need to find why it doesn't work without the delay
10:18:45wodzI played a bit with sd clock divider - changing it from 1 to 0 increases transfer rate by ~25% which doesn't make much sense to me
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10:19:29pamaurywhy not ?
10:19:55wodzjudging from OF routines I would expect doubling the speed
10:20:12pamaurythere can be other limiting factors
10:20:47wodzI need to look at clk line on the scope to understand this divider thing
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10:27:24pamaurydebugging the sd driver when the sd card is the main storage is a real pain...
10:31:10kugelpamaury: have you found the HAVE_HOTSWAP_STORAGE_AS_MAIN define?
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10:32:51pamauryof course but the the sd driver is crappy: it doesn't handle timeout on commands so on error it stuck making it impossible to debug
10:34:16*kugel sees pamaury in bad mood lately
10:34:52*pamaury hates code which just freeze the whole device
10:35:58pamauryAnd I dislike it even more when I see that two ports rely on it !
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10:37:08pamauryBut usb has been annoying me even more recently :)
10:39:04pamauryFUCKKKKKKKK, another stupid s3c2440 usb undocumented automagic, I hate this chip
10:39:36wodzcalm down, that's only bits and bytes
10:39:59pamauryand that's my time !! x-(
10:41:51wodzthinking more about timing in rk27xx sd core I think Fapb:clk is 2 at least
10:54:54kugelpamaury: two ports?
10:55:21kugelgigabeat f/x doesn't use the sd driver, and the mini2440 port is pretty dead
10:55:47pamauryah I though gigabeat had a sd
10:56:11kugelwe had something better in this case :)
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11:00:09wodzf/x has pata 1.8" drive no?
11:05:41pamauryhaha, this is vicious: host send set_config and due to the controll automagic it acknowledge so the host sends a new setup packet; then our core handles the set_config and acknowledge too and since there is a new setup it is considered valid and confuse the controller
11:07:48wodzso something like in rk27xx
11:08:57pamaurythis controller has a really bad design
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11:24:11pamaurygevaerts: I think there might be timing problem in usb_core: SET_CONFIGURATION. We should acknowledge before calling the init_connection
11:25:17pamaurycallbacks of the drivers
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12:48:23gluedJdGordon, guys, regading centering/space in wps. Please test, takes 10 sec: use any huge font, like 35-Nimbus.fnt + %ac single char.
12:48:34gluedI'm seening it not centered since r30246, any font, the bigger the more apparent. Clip, both sim & live.
12:49:24gluedUnf-ly I can't rollback to pinpoint the exact version (repairing my pc).
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12:58:43gluedP.S. If you see it centered in the head - I've got into a paralel universe, and must get drunk.
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13:43:53CIA-14New commit by alex (r30332): Manual: add %Vg and %Vs tags. Closes FS #12230.
13:47:06CIA-14r30332 build result: All green
13:52:33CIA-14New commit by alex (r30333): Make basque.lang be built. Fixes FS #12235
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13:55:04CIA-14r30333 build result: All green
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14:16:36ftso, I got rockbox on my clip+, unfortunately, it's hanging... I'm seeing the rockbox splash screen, and the display turns off after a timeout. any button shows the splash again. the power button doesn't do anything...
14:16:55ftit's the rockbox 3.9 release...
14:17:34ftoh. appearently holding <off>+<select> for a while restarted the device.
14:17:49ftis that a documented feature..?
14:18:01ftanyway. working again so nevermind. ;)
14:18:44Torneholding the power switch is the reset for the clip, yes
14:19:30ftpower alone didn't seem to do the trick.. ..but then again, maybe I just gave up too early.
14:19:56TorneIt takes a while (possibly not always the same time)
14:20:06ftokay, thanks.
14:20:08Tornebut it is just the power switch, definitely
14:20:37ftgot it.
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17:00:15hakonI've got two question regarding the iPod Classic (6g) build and iPods in genereal.
17:00:57hakon1. Are there any Apple EULA that forbids me to use Rockbox? I have read what IŠve found, but I might haved missed something, and since the fail rate on my ipod is so high I don't want to do anything that could make Apple stop supporting it
17:01:46hakon2. How stable is the 6g build if anyone here is using it? I have read on the wiki, but I cant seem to find anything about how stable it is.
17:02:54Torne1) we don't know, we're not lawyers, i doubt we are interested :)
17:03:20Torne2) various people use it; at least some of them find it's very stable, but many of them don't; it depends greatly wwhat you actually do
17:04:23gevaertsI'd say the EULA is probably irrelevant. It's the warranty you care about. Torne's answer still applies though
17:05:08Tornegenerally, regardless of device/port/stability, i would suggest that if you expect to need the warranty *anyway* even without installing rockbox that that's maybe not the best device to install rockbox on
17:05:10hakonTorne: Well, some of you could have read the EULA or warranty even though you are not lawyers. However, I can just reflash it using the stock firmware from Apple
17:06:22hakonWell, it's been ok for some time no, but I think I have replaced the HDD at least two times since I've got it.
17:07:04hakonI am not sure if the warranty applies to my iPod as it's a few years old
17:07:34hakonI think I'have two years following the laws in my country
17:07:44hakonAs for the stability, I will just use it to play music
17:08:30hakonBut I don't expect it do be 100% stable, I just hope it works so I can use a Linux-friendly format on it
17:10:29AlexPThe 6G has various more or less severe problems, which is why it is classed as unusable at the moment
17:10:40AlexPWhether they affect you is something you'll need to try
17:11:07AlexPAs for warranty, it depends what goes wrong
17:11:30AlexPIf you have to send it back to Apple with Rockbox on it, I'd assume it'll void the warranty.
17:11:46AlexPBut it is usually possible to remove it first, depending on how it breaks
17:11:55AlexP(The ipod that is, hardware wise)
17:13:06hakonOften it is the harddrive that failes, but I can still boot it to some kind of recovery mode/disc mode and uninstall it from there
17:13:23hakonI will try it later tonight I think,
17:13:32hakonSeems like a pretty good piece of software :D
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17:13:54AlexPIf it is a few years old I very much
17:14:03AlexPdoubt you still have a warranty to void
17:15:16TorneI'm not sure what you mean by a linux-friendly format..
17:15:22Tornerockbox requires that it be FAT32
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17:20:08hakonAlexP: Two-three years I think. Maybe four years old, and Apple only have one year warranty I think, but after the Norwegian law I have the right to get any errors or faults not caused my unormal usage of the device
17:20:28God_EaterTorne: I presume he means vorbis or something, rather than filesystem formats :)
17:20:44God_EaterI could be entirely wrong of course
17:20:46TorneOh :)
17:20:55hakonTorne: I was thinking of the music format, not filesystem :)
17:20:59Torneah, right
17:21:02*God_Eater bows
17:21:03hakonI want to be able to play flac files on it
17:22:42hakonAnd I also think it's kind of fin :) Would be cool if iPod Linux still existed so I could use that to play around with, I guess that Rockbox is a better music player
17:22:46hakonBut I have to go
17:22:52hakonThanks for the help
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17:24:49God_EaterI bet he came cos of that reddit post the other day about "Remember ipl?"
17:24:59God_Eaterwhich quickly seemed to turn into "Rockbox is way cool"
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17:38:44*n1s finds the classic port stable. The usb issue with svn is a showstopper for affected devices and the battery time is rather short though
17:39:13n1si really should get that patch committed :/
17:39:31AlexPn1s: Doesn't it have a tendency to stutter and some people get crashes every hour or so?
17:40:45n1si've used mine pretty much exclusively the last few months but haven't had either of those issues
17:41:17n1sat least not crashes, stutter is possible i've just not noticed
17:43:11n1sand it's of course possible that i've just been lucky or that there are slight variations in the hw that matter for this
17:44:57AlexPyeah, could be
17:45:10AlexPI might be wrong as well, or these might be old issues too
17:45:28AlexPI just remember hearing them, rightly or wrongly :)
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17:50:39n1swith the usb issue fixed and an easier install method i think classic could go to unstable
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18:02:43AlexPn1s: Do we want a bootloader first, or do we make the emcore one the official Rockbox one?
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18:05:21n1sAlexP: i don't know, emcore works but it's different from what we usually do
18:06:33n1smaybe if we can have it start rockbox by default, at least when installed by our installer
18:07:04n1sthen it seems there is little point in creating our own bootloader
18:09:26AlexPOh, it should do that for sure
18:09:32AlexPI didn't realise it didn't
18:10:41n1smaybe it does, the version i have is *old*
18:10:59AlexPWell I have no classic so I've never tried it, I just assumed
18:11:48n1si'm pretty sure it can be configured to do it so we could have our installer set it to that config
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18:51:05TheSevenn1s, AlexP: the emcore way of booting a classic is basically a relic from when we didn't know how to attack the later bootloader stages
18:51:29TheSevenin theory we can install a rockbox bootloader similarly to how it works on the nano2
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18:55:28AlexPTheSeven: Cool, sounds good :)
18:56:07TheSeventhere are a couple of complications though
18:56:31TheSeventhe firmware partition is no longer a user-visible partition
18:57:01TheSevenI don't even have an idea where it physically is :)
18:57:23TheSevenit can be accessed through some vendor-specific scsi commands though
18:58:14AlexPI assume that this is a mainly a complication for writing an installer?
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19:01:47AlexPTheSeven: Incidentally, there is a patch on the tracker that someone put on that you apparently wrote, so I guess you would be the best person to look at it :)
19:01:51AlexPFS #12233
19:01:52fs-bluebot iPod 6G/Classic: LCD not displaying rockbox correctly if using emCORE >= r746 (patches, unconfirmed)
19:03:25TheSevenAlexP: that one can go in
19:03:40AlexPWell I'll leave it to you :)
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19:04:17TheSeveni would have patched this myself before the next emcore release, but as people seem to be playing around with daily builds, it's probably better to do this asap
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23:20:28n1eaHello Rockbox. Is there any hope for COBY MP826-4G users? The device shows up in "My Computer" in Ubuntu, I haven't tried Debian. I don't see well and I bought the wrong unit - the one that said it worked with Linux was a different model. Anyone have any suggestions on how to get file access with it?
23:22:00[7]n1ea: this probably isn't the right place to ask this... but if you see it in "my computer", what's wrong with it?
23:23:44n1eaMy computer won't allow mounting, also sudo mount dev/sdb or variants won't mount it. I copied the files with photorec, formatted the drive with Windows, still no files in Ubuntu.
23:24:35n1eaThe next (fatal?) step is fdisk and reformatting. I'm hoping the operating system is totally in firmware :-)
23:24:36[7]so it does have a device node, but you can't mount it?
23:25:40[7]most of these devices either expose a USB mass storage device with a regular FAT32 filesystem on them, or can be accessed via MTP, in which case there won't even be a device node / drive letter (even on windows)
23:25:52n1eaI am trying to use lsusb but lsusb just locks up.
23:26:21[7]that smells fishy... bad cable?
23:26:38[7]any related messages in dmesg?
23:26:50n1eaThis has MSC file access or MTP, I chose MSC.
23:28:59n1ea7 I am sending you a DCC Chat,, I don't want to flood the main screen. I have the dmesg
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