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#rockbox log for 2011-09-02

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03:51:15[Saint]bluebrother: Sure, send me a 240x320 build?
03:52:43[Saint]evilnick: Did you have a poke at the new theme?
03:53:17[Saint]You're probably my most...Hmmm, what's the word. Consistent?, input == appreciated.
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04:40:30[Saint]*no* comments on FS #12254 ?
04:40:31fs-bluebot RaaA cabbiev2 [Full Touch Application Port] (patches, new)
04:40:40*[Saint] is slightly perplexed.
04:41:14[Saint]No comments from devs I expect, but users...colour me surprised.
04:42:12JdGordon|err... users never comment
04:42:23JdGordon|and devs day nothing untill post commit
04:42:32JdGordon|and that cant be committed untill is fixed
04:43:09LloreanIt's been up like... less than a day? Post to the mailing list, post to the forums, and have patience if you actually want comments on the task.
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04:44:37[Saint]It's been on the forums for an age, with users constantly bugging me via PM, that's why I'm surprised.
04:44:49[Saint]Users *can't* comment on the forum, I locked the thread.
04:45:36[Saint]Ah.....I see. They've moved to Google+ now :-S
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05:07:47jhMikeSkugel: that's the same algorithm! :) a different autocorrelation implementation (sort of) but it looks the same
05:08:59jhMikeSor at least very, very similar enough to look nearly the same :)
05:10:07jhMikeSah, same guy did it
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06:45:04tjb0607this is probably more of a problem with my Linux, but when I try to open the rockbox installer to update RockBox, it gives the error "Mountpoint is not writeable"
06:45:41tjb0607how could I go about fixing this?
06:45:58JdGordon|mount it with the correct options
06:46:44tjb0607I'm mounting it with KDE by clicking it in dolphin, and it's not running as root or anything.
06:47:14tjb0607the terminal outputs: "libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/002/005: Permission denied." a bunch
06:47:40JdGordon|were is that error coming from?
06:47:47JdGordon|oh, ok
06:47:52JdGordon|did you run rbutil as root?
06:48:13JdGordon|do that
06:49:48tjb0607still saying that the mountpoint is not writable
06:50:03JdGordon|what is?
06:50:19tjb0607it could be that I've corrupted the RockBox install by unmounting it unproperly
06:51:10tjb0607maybe I could try deleting the .rockbox folder after backing up my configurations?
06:51:34JdGordon|if it isnt writeable linux wont let you delete the folder
06:51:44JdGordon|did you run rbtuil as root?
06:52:28tjb0607it only seems to say that after I try to install it and it fails extracting
06:53:38tjb0607rm: cannot remove `./.rockbox/*': Read-only file system
06:54:13JdGordon|if not even root can write its a corrupt filesystem and you need to run fsck
06:56:33tjb0607how can I tell where my SD player is located?
07:01:41tjb0607if I use lsusb it says "Bus 001 Device 034: ID 0781:7441 SanDisk Corp."
07:02:03tjb0607where do I fsck?
07:02:18JdGordon|what does "mount" say
07:03:09tjb0607that worked "/dev/sdb1 on /media/SD PLAYER type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=100,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec)"
07:03:44[Saint]just do "fsck -A" if you really can't be arsed tracking down the mountpoint. It will walk through fstab and go through all mountpoints it finds.
07:09:02tjb0607"There are differences between boot sector and its backup." "1) Copy original to backup" "2) Copy backup to original" "3) No action"
07:10:23tjb0607what do I choose?
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07:13:34tjb0607I did fsck -a and it gave me "Unable to create unique name"
07:14:07tjb0607and a bunch of files contained free clusters so it assumed EOF
07:15:48tjb0607and it did nothing
07:18:31JdGordon|format the drive
07:18:33JdGordon|simplest fix
07:18:43[Saint][17:02] <[Saint]> just do "fsck -A" if you really can't be arsed tracking down the mountpoint. It will walk through fstab and go through all mountpoints it finds.
07:18:53[Saint]not "a", "A"
07:19:20tjb0607when I do that it tries to do it to /dev/sda2 and warns me that it's mounted
07:19:52tjb0607I'm doing sudo fsck -a /dev/sdb1 to automatically repair the partitions of it
07:20:03tjb0607and it's not working
07:20:29[Saint]Then, as JdGordon| said....format the bastard. Simplest "fix" for FS corruption.
07:21:01tjb0607ok, backing up the music right now
07:21:48tjb0607whoa a lot of music got disappeared during the corruption :/
07:22:26tjb0607til not to unplug without unmounting properly :p
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07:30:25tjb0607does formating the sansa e200 get rid of the original firmware?
07:30:56tjb0607ok good
07:35:57tjb0607gparted: Input/output error during write on /dev/sdb
07:38:39tjb0607it won't even let me format it
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07:51:07JdGordon|are you using rockbox usb or sansa usb?
07:52:13tjb0607sansa usb, rockbox won't start up properly
07:52:27tjb0607due to said corruption
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07:55:05JdGordon|I want to say you need to do a full recovery, but others might have a better idea
07:55:10JdGordon|wodz: hey
07:55:23wodztjb0607: there is a chance you are striked by linux ehci bug
07:55:37tjb0607what's that?
07:57:11wodztjb0607: It is rather well known that certain devices doesn't like ehci driver in linux. The only known solution so far is to force fallback to USB1.1 as this is handled by diferent part of the controller and has separate driver
07:57:29wodzSaidly linux developers seems to do nothing about it
07:57:43tjb0607oh wow so I plug it in to another usb port and the permissions are fixed
07:57:51tjb0607now to go back to updating rockbox
07:58:13wodzits about usb input/output errors, spurious usb resets and so on
07:58:40tjb0607actually nope
07:58:50tjb0607would rebooting fix it?
07:59:18wodzIf this is the bug I am talking about - no
08:00:38tjb0607my mp3 player worked before
08:00:49tjb0607with my linux installation
08:01:02tjb0607should it work on another linux desktop?
08:02:38wodzIf it worked and didn't behaved erratically than this is not ehci thing.
08:02:46tjb0607also, it mounts and reads the files fine but it can't make any changes to the files
08:02:58wodztjb0607: Try to logout and login once more - sometimes this helps
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08:04:59wodzAnyone have a clue why changing bit with unknown meaning in register configuring clock dividers might influence only read speed of sdram and not write speed?
08:05:37tjb0607that didn't do anything. Does loggin out/back in via kdm restart x?
08:06:22[Saint]it /should/ do...
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08:10:24tjb0607I rebooted and I'm trying again
08:11:24wodzone thing - is this drive SD card?
08:11:42wodzmaybe it is simply locked by the switch?
08:11:56tjb0607hold is off
08:12:15tjb0607otherwise the rockbox boot loader would've halted the boot process
08:12:28n1sthe switch on the card
08:13:21tjb0607does locking it prevent the reading of files?
08:14:16n1swriting though
08:14:55tjb0607ok because that's my problem
08:15:03tjb0607lemme screw my mp3 player open
08:15:32tjb0607after I find a smaller screwdriver
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08:17:14n1ssorry but is it the internal storage that is not writeable?
08:17:51n1sthere's probably no switch on that
08:18:52tjb0607yeah all there is is a battery
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08:22:15amiconnDoesn't linux mount filesystems read only if it finds errors? I'd do an fsck
08:22:25[Saint]It does, yeah.
08:24:11n1samiconn: yeah but the device node is read only too apparenlty
08:25:18n1stjb0607: does dmesg say anything interesting about it?
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08:32:14tjb0607I think it fixed itself
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08:32:27tjb0607I was able to successfully install rockbox
08:32:48n1ssiunds like something is fishy
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08:34:46tjb0607but rockbox still isnt' booting...
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08:37:20tjb0607apparently I had permissions for a while after I mounted it, I was able to create a folder, but now I don't have permissions.
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08:39:03tjb0607[ 1701.766047] FAT-fs (sdb1): error, fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 440540)
08:39:03tjb0607[ 1701.766051] FAT-fs (sdb1): Filesystem has been set read-only
08:41:33tjb0607and then gparted gives "Error fsyncing/closing /dev/sdb: Input/output error"
08:41:55tjb0607when I try reformating
08:46:13evilnick[Saint]: Some feedback on your theme; 1) Why does the Next Track text change from bold to non-bold depending on whether AA is present? 2) The highlight on the Context menu icon looks different to that on the Quickscreen menu icon 3) Can the volume icon change to something different on mute?
08:46:37tjb0607I guess I'll try reformatting it in windows 7, but I doubt that will work
08:46:50tjb0607who knows
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08:54:07tjb0607well windows didn't even let me use my wireless card
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08:57:14tjb0607I could try my brother's computer
09:03:12tjb0607nope same problem
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09:06:49tjb0607is there something else I could try other than gparted to reformat my sansa e260 that might not give an i/o error?
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09:10:07n1stjb0607: it sounds like a hw issue to me
09:10:25tjb0607is there anything else I could do?
09:10:41n1sIIRC the e200 has the flash memory on a daughter board, and some people have reported reseating it has fixed weird problems
09:10:54n1sso perhaps try that?
09:11:12tjb0607how can I reset it?
09:11:35evilnickIt wouldn't hurt to try that, but that usually fixes the 'black screen and glowing ring of light' issue
09:11:51n1sreseat, unplug, plug in
09:11:53evilnicktjb0607: Reseat, not reset.
09:12:26tjb0607how can I do that?
09:12:47evilnickunscrew the back of the sansa and use your fingers!
09:13:17evilnickThere are (probably) pictures on the Wiki about this
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09:18:10tjb0607 What do I do from here?
09:19:11[Saint]Push hard on the smaller rectangle in the black bit.
09:19:26n1stjb0607: actually unscrew the back, probably remove the battery first
09:19:28[Saint]not *too* hard, though ;)
09:19:52n1scheck under the battery fro screws
09:20:05[Saint]n1s: I didn't think that was necessary...
09:20:20n1s[Saint]: i don't know but there could be screws there!
09:20:20[Saint]perhaps I'm thinking of another player model, hmmm.
09:20:34[Saint]No, I mean removing the battery at all.
09:20:51n1stjb0607: there are pictures and videos on the internet of this and they are probably better than our guessing
09:21:08Bagder <= that's how it looks below the cover
09:21:13[Saint]I thought it just needed to push on the back rubber bit immediately under the case backing.
09:21:29Bagder(apart from an extra cable on those pics)
09:23:01tjb0607so what do I do?
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09:23:35tjb0607I pushed the black rubber bit but it didn't seem to do anything
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09:24:59tjb0607yeah that did nothing
09:27:55tjb0607I was able to install rockbox by unmounting and mounting repeatedly
09:28:15n1stjb0607: installing rockbox is unliekly to fix this
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09:29:57tjb0607it at least fixes my rockbox problem
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09:32:39tjb0607and I'm now able to write to the internal storage device
09:33:52tjb0607but after like 20 seconds of it being mounted the access is denied
09:34:09tjb0607or me trying to delete the corrupt .rockbox folder from the trash
09:34:53tjb0607but thanks to rockbox I can delete it without having to worry about unmounting stuff
09:36:10tjb0607I think it's mostly fixed
09:36:58tjb0607yeah I can do whatever and there's no I/O errors or anything
09:37:17tjb0607idk what I did but it works
09:38:56tjb0607did anything wps-related get changed last update?
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09:41:26tjb0607nope it's just that my background image got half corrupted
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09:43:47tjb0607ok so apparently it *didn't* get fixed
09:44:29tjb0607I just have to unmount and remount to write to it :p
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09:46:10tjb0607I guess it's good for now, maybe tomorrow I can get it to stop with the read-only problem. For now, bedtime.
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11:08:55NicolasMonroyHi guys, anyone who could add me to the CFmodguide? I would like to post a success with my ipod
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12:02:37[Saint]bluebrother: Ping?
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12:03:22[Saint]Would it be too much to ask for you to build me one of your "AA in Notification Area" RaaA .APKs?
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14:35:28amiconnZagor, gevaerts: There seems to be a problem with the build system's 'calculated speed'. If a host errors out early because of local problems, numbers get way too high
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14:36:27amiconnSee kugel-x-kugel in r30399..30404
14:46:52kugeldoes the build system hand out builds at random?
14:47:32kugelI think it would be good if it handed out builds that the client did already recently (in reverse order) to exploit ccache, if it doesn't already
14:50:09Zagorit's not random, it's matched to the client speed
14:50:34Zagorbut no, there is no consideration for possible past builds
14:50:43gevaertskugel: that would have the annoying side effect of possibly hiding problems for longer
14:51:21kugelgevaerts: I can't follow
14:51:44Bagderfor cases where a particular build client goes bad on a specific build
14:53:04kugelbut why "hiding problems"?
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14:54:57gevaertsSuppose you have three clients that can do a particular build, one of which has a different toolchain version (assume this is a sim build where that's allowed). If you add client stickyness, the one with the different toolchain will never do that build (unless it got it first), which means you won't ever see possible problems with it
14:55:31gevaertsSee e.g. the saga of the mr100 sim, Zagor's build client, and the unused variable
14:56:08gevaertsah, amiconn's machine now also shows that problem
14:58:00kugelgevaerts: well, the build system isn't about spotting toolchain problems is it? it's about spotting build failures we introduce with commits
14:58:18gevaertskugel: this isn't a toolchain problem really
14:58:41gevaertsThe variable really is unused, it's just that only a few toolchain versions actually report it
15:04:40kugelgevaerts: that can happen now too
15:06:12kugele.g. the player sim build has a few warnings but isn't build by strong machines with recent compilers
15:07:23kugelinstead it's always build by bXX-roolku because it's a low-end build, which doesn't spot the warnings
15:10:13kugelso, a) it wasn't a problem back when the client speed consideration was added, and b) wouldn't be newly introduced with this idea
15:10:52Zagorno, but it would be worsened. because we would lock each target to machines, instead of exercising them between multiple
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16:12:19tjb0607 progress on my smART based Minecraft theme :D
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16:19:23[Saint]Nice, the volume and battery icons should be "blocks", the build into the image when the value increases/decreases.
16:20:10tjb0607the volume is the piston
16:22:06tjb0607I'm thinking of using a redstone repeater for the battery power
16:22:07[Saint]It would be nice if the state icons were aligned properly with the "inventory" boxes.
16:22:20tjb0607yeah I haven't worked much on that yet
16:22:25tjb0607I plan to
16:23:17*[Saint] nods.
16:24:14[Saint]Put me on your list of people to bug if you get stuck, if you want. I wouldn't call myself a theme guru, but, I do alright ;)
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16:26:26[Saint]What's the licensing for minecraft've looked into this?
16:27:10[Saint]Its fine if you're recreating everything from scratch, but if you're taking images directly, you'll want to look into if the license is compatible.
16:27:40[Saint]Good job, btw. I think it'll be quite cool when its completed.
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16:30:00tjb0607"You're free to do whatever you want with screenshots and videos of the game, but don't just rip art resources and pass them around, that's no fun."
16:30:48[Saint]it appears to be CC-SA
16:31:13[Saint](from a brief googlin' session)
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16:43:58God_EaterI don't see notch being too upset by a minecraft theme for rockbox
16:46:23tjb0607I should probably fix the hardware problem on my mp3 player before working on the theme
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16:47:22tjb0607it's not letting me write, reformat, or do anything but read my mp3 player's internal storage
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16:48:35[Saint]....perhaps its run out of free blocks to remap, and thus, shat itself?
16:49:10[Saint]if you can read from it, you should be able to see whats going on with a disk utility.
16:50:03tjb0607the storage is 97% full
16:51:18tjb0607I've tried fsck and it didn't fix anything
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16:52:07[Saint]it can't, if it can't write to the disk.
16:52:47tjb0607it does say when I do fsck that a lot of files contain "free clusters"
16:53:01tjb0607so it assumes EOF
16:53:13tjb0607Free cluster summary wrong (35207 vs. really 78830)
16:53:19tjb0607not really sure what that means
16:53:32Tornethat's very common; it means you aven't been unmounting it cleanly, mostly
16:53:48Tornethe fsinfo sector's free space count is wrong, which normally means you unplugged the device before the OS got around to updating that
16:54:12tjb0607yeah I unplugged it improperly and ever since it's been screwed up
16:54:51tjb0607it was after updating rockbox so it was writing to a lot of files at the time
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16:55:16Torneanyway, it sounds like your fs is corrupt
16:55:26Tornewhat actual fsck command are you running to fix it?
16:55:38tjb0607just fsck <device>
16:55:59TorneThat doesn't actually fix anything
16:56:04TorneThat just tells you about the errors.
16:56:16Torneyou need either -a or -r to fix automatically/manually :)
16:56:18tjb0607I did fsck -a <device> and it didn't do anything
16:56:36Tornetry with -r
16:56:51TorneOnce you do it there shoudl be no more errors being reported
16:56:59Torneif it's still saying those things above every time then it's not fixing it
16:58:17Tornepastebin the complete fsck output
16:58:24Torneif you want me to see :)
17:01:27tjb0607and now when I turn my mp3 player on it goes to the rockbox boot loader and says "no partition found" and shuts off
17:01:48TorneYou just destroyed your fs
17:02:04TorneWhen it warned you that there were differences between the boot sector and the backup.. the backup is all zeros
17:02:12Torneand you chose to copy the backup :)
17:02:18Torneso, now your boot sector is all zeros.
17:02:20tjb0607oh... :p
17:02:33Torneanyway, your fs is totally hosed
17:02:43Torneit was anyway
17:02:45Tornenow it's more so :)
17:03:20tjb0607how can I format it if it doesn't connect to my computer? :p
17:03:28Torneit is connected to your computer
17:03:33Torneotherwise how can you fsck it?
17:03:48tjb0607I rebooted it and now it's not connecting
17:04:06TorneRight, because you just destroyed the fs and now there's no rockbox to load
17:04:06tjb0607so now I basically can't do anything
17:04:13Torneboot the original firmware
17:04:24Tornewhat device is this?
17:04:33tjb0607sansa e260
17:05:03Torneright. boot the original firmware, then, and connect it
17:05:26tjb0607the boot loader doesn't even want to boot to the original firmware
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17:06:42tjb0607all it's doing is turning on, and shutting right back off.
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17:09:31tjb0607well my mp3 player was good while it lasted
17:09:47tjb0607and now I know not to unplug before unmounting properly
17:09:57Tornei don't think this should be able to brick the device
17:10:07Tornei don't have a sansa, though
17:10:08jacekowskitjb0607: what happened
17:10:12jacekowskitjb0607: that shouldn't cause any problems
17:10:18jacekowskitjb0607: have you tried formatting it possibly
17:10:45tjb0607When I turn my mp3 player on it will shut right back off, and won't even let me connect to the computer
17:10:58tjb0607because no firmware is loading
17:11:07Tornetjb0607: well, what you should've done was 1) not pick options randomly in fsck and 2) not reboot the device until you knew you had fixed it
17:11:13Torneunfortunately ;)
17:11:41Torneif fsck managed to write to it to fix/break it, then you could also have just formatted it at that time
17:12:32Torneanyway. i'm somewhat surprised the OF isn't willing to boot, but it'd take someone more familiar with the pp sansas to know if that's reasonable/recoverable
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17:18:36tjb0607I wonder if there's a way to reset the memory from opening the mp3 player and doing something
17:20:03tjb0607nope, no hard reset feature
17:24:33tjb0607time to bid for a new one on ebay
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17:30:37Tornegevaerts: do those devices store their firmware on the filesystem, then?
17:31:08gevaertstjb0607: make sure you follow the instructions though, and ask if something's not clear. It *is* possible to make things worse if you do things wrong
17:31:30gevaertsTorne: no, but they are rather braindead
17:32:01gevaertsTorne: the c200 e.g. (the e200 is a bit better) believes the FAT superblock to guess the size of the device
17:32:15gevaertsWhich is fun if people format it as ntfs :)
17:32:33gevaertsOr if you're me and make USB code read from the SD card and write to internal flash
17:33:20gevaertsActually, I'm not sure if the e200 is better in that respect, but at least it has the .fmt trick in recovery mode
17:35:53tjb0607there is a VERSION.TXT file in the partition. I've put the .mi4 file on it and reset it.
17:37:54tjb0607That didn't work. Time to format.
17:38:18gevaertstjb0607: you mean the "sansa.fmt" trick I hope?
17:39:09tjb0607I got a PP5022.mi4 and dragged it into the device
17:39:41tjb0607I didn't have one so I downloaded it from here
17:40:16*gevaerts nods
17:40:17tjb0607yes, the sansa.fmt trick next
17:41:32gevaertsJust making sure you weren't about to format the recovery partition. That can be disastrous
17:41:57tjb0607I'm following the instructions very carefully :)
17:44:02tjb0607ok, so there's the VERSION.TXT, PP5022.mi4, and the sansa.fmt
17:44:13tjb0607I disconnect the device
17:44:26tjb0607and it's now formatting
17:44:52tjb0607*Thank God I backed up my music and theme I'm working on*
17:45:18tjb0607it finished and is now resetting the system
17:46:07tjb0607that didn't work either. Now to restore the bootloader.
17:47:47gevaertsI sometimes suspect that the e200 needs matching firmware and bootloader, but apart from that if recovery mode works the bootloader should be fine
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17:49:48tjb0607when I try to turn it on it says "Load to main image failed" "Switch to Recovery mode
17:51:23tjb0607do I need to rename the bootloader rom to anything special?
17:51:39tjb0607it's currently BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom
17:51:46gevaertsI think that's fine
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17:53:16tjb0607I unplugged it and it immediately shut off. I'll try doing it again.
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17:53:39gevaertsDid you unmount the recovery partition properly?
17:54:40tjb0607it's only turning on when I plug it in
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17:55:27gevaertsBut recovery mode works then?
17:56:27*gevaerts can't remember now where the bootloader is stored and if these symptoms might match the "flash chip comes lose" problem :\
17:56:58tjb0607oh now it's working
17:57:11tjb0607I unplugged and repluged the battery
17:57:37gevaertsWhile you have it open, maybe check the flash chip
17:57:59gevaertsYou should be able to see a black square somewhere. Make sure that's fully pushed down
17:58:46tjb0607I pushed it down earlier today
17:58:58tjb0607ok I restored the bootloader
17:59:24tjb0607STILL not working..
18:00:06gevaertsDid you restore just the bootloader, or did you use all three of the .rom, .mi4, and .fmt files?
18:00:32tjb0607I copied the rom and the mi4 then I created the empty .fmt yeah
18:00:57gevaertsThat should have been fine
18:02:45tjb0607and the mi4 files for the e200 should work with the e260 right?
18:03:00gevaertsyes. e200 is the entire series
18:03:19tjb0607ok just making sure
18:05:07tjb0607recovery mode prints constantly "LUN0 unlocked" "LUN0 locked"
18:05:25tjb0607does that mean anything?
18:05:50gevaertsThat means you're mounting and unmounting it, or udev is having a look
18:05:59gevaertsso no, nothing very interesting
18:07:42gevaertsI think I'd try reseating the flash chip again, but I really don't know. I don't remember ever hearing of an e200 behaving like this
18:08:21tjb0607so under the metal cover it's the little rubber rectangle above the battery, I push that right?
18:08:58tjb0607ok so I did that
18:09:27tjb0607what is that supposed to do?
18:10:15gevaertsThe flash chip (or daughterboard? Not sure now...) in the e200 is removable and tends to come lose
18:11:16bluebrother[Saint]: pong
18:14:03[Saint]bluebrother: Are you able to make a build for me with your AA in notification area implementation, pretty please?
18:14:26[Saint]240x320 portrait. If you'd be so kind.
18:14:49tjb0607I did the bootloader restore trick again after reseating it, and when I turn it on, it shows the SanDisk loader for a while, then says "Load main image failed" "Switch to Recovery mode"
18:15:37tjb0607restoring the bootloader doesn't give any errors
18:16:07bluebrother[Saint]: I've ran into another problem −− it doesn't work anymore after rebasing to current svn :(
18:16:20[Saint]Aaaaaaawww :-S
18:16:25gevaertsMaybe try just the .fmt and .mi4 again, without the .rom? Which files did you download exactly?
18:16:31bluebrotherI'm currently bisecting the vorbis playback issue, will check that afterwards
18:16:46bluebrotherI can post a patch somewhere if you want to try it youself
18:16:56[Saint]bluebrother: Ok, that's rush.
18:17:08tjb0607 the fourth one down on this list thanks to lgianasi
18:17:10[Saint]bluebrother: No build environment set up presently.
18:17:20bluebrotherit's really annoying, I wanted to get that committed :/
18:17:49[Saint]bluebrother: Indeed, it's a damn cool idea.
18:18:21bluebrotherI'm wondering if it's useful on small screens. Since the AA gets downscaled quite a bit on those
18:18:44[Saint]bluebrother: Have you checked out my theme on the tracker?
18:19:20[Saint]Re: Small screens and AA, I wouldn't see why not. Google Music beta does it, and even though the AA is tiny, its still recognizable.
18:19:39tjb0607maybe I could try a different one?
18:19:55bluebrothernot yet. I'm planning to give that a look this weekend
18:20:17*bluebrother wonders why the system doesn't find the compiler after updating the NDK
18:20:22gevaertstjb0607: yes, always worth a try
18:20:32gevaertsI'll see what happens if I try this on my e200
18:20:40bluebrothermaybe I should reboot that machine, it's running since quite a while now ;-)
18:22:47bluebrotherdoes anyone else have this vorbis playback extremely soft issue?
18:23:49tjb0607still getting the same issue
18:24:06tjb0607with a different mi4
18:24:25tjb0607onse more
18:27:23gevaertsDoes it say "writing main image" at some point?
18:28:36tjb0607it says formatting, reading main image, writing main image, then rebooting.
18:29:08gevaertsThen is has to work!
18:29:10tjb0607then load main image failed when it tries to boot back up
18:29:28CIA-14New commit by jethead71 (r30409): Sanify dsp.c (re)sample buffer indirection.
18:29:37gevaertsUnless the flash chip has a problem
18:30:04tjb0607I'm guessing by now that it probably does
18:31:29gevaertsOr maybe the e200 somehow suffers from the same issue as the c200 and the .fmt file doesn't fully clean everything
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18:32:59*gevaerts tries to convert the c200 fixing tool to the e200
18:33:31CIA-14r30409 build result: All green
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18:36:46bluebrotherhmm. Forums down or is that just for me?
18:37:48gevaertsbluebrother: they're down
18:38:20bluebrotherok, thanks
18:39:24tjb0607I guess since my sansa is bricked now I could release the beta of my Minecraft theme
18:40:41gevaertstjb0607: if you want to try one more thing, download gevaerts/erase.bin"> and e200tool
18:41:37bluebrotherwtf? Why is the playback issue gone now?
18:42:07tjb0607I've never had a vorbis playback issue in RockBox
18:44:46tjb0607gevaerts: ok, then do I follow the Manufacturing Mode instructions on the wiki?
18:44:50gevaertsthen put the e200 in *manfacturer* mode (i.e. not recovery), plug it in, and run "sudo ./e200tool recover erase.bin". That should then start zeroing the start of the flash (I can't remember how much...)
18:45:55gevaertsAfter that, everything should at least be in a predictable state (requiring manufacturing mode). If formatting and recovering main firmware and bootloader then *still* don't work, I'd be fairly confident there's a hardware issue
18:46:09gevaertsNote that this will take a while to run
18:48:14gevaertsactually, the tool should install a working partition table and FAT, although they'll be too small (I copied the c240 code, which has 1GB) so redoing the .fmt thing still makes sense
18:48:20tjb0607my mp3 player is saying "# kB left" a bunch
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18:48:28gevaertsok, it's running then
18:48:41gevaertsIt may be hard to spot, but the numbers are changing
18:49:21tjb0607it's getting lower very slowly
18:49:30tjb0607it's at 105664
18:50:07gevaertsOn re-reading the code I actually think the displayed numbers are wrong. The erasing should still work though
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19:02:21tjb0607it's almost done
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19:02:34tjb0607it's done
19:03:10gevaertsOK. Now you'll need "regular" manufacturing mode recovery, i.e. sudo ./e200tool recover BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom
19:04:20tjb0607it's in recovery mode now
19:05:20gevaertsGood. Now copy BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom PP5022.mi4 there and create the .fmt file
19:05:28gevaertsThen unmount, and hope...
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19:07:34tjb0607it's frozen at the SanDisk logo
19:08:03bertrikWho's our resident AMS dualboot.S expert?
19:08:16gevaertsTotally frozen? It stayed there a while for me
19:08:50tjb0607It responds to the shutdown signal and plays the goodbye animation, didn't do that before
19:09:07tjb0607IT WORKS
19:09:20tjb0607Thanks a TON
19:09:25gevaertsYou're welcome
19:09:33bertrikMy plan for the clipzip dualboot loader is to first simple branch to the decompressed OF and see if that works
19:09:43*gevaerts is slightly unhappy about the appearance of yet another failure mode though
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19:10:11bertriknext, add a delay at boot that depends on a button being pressed (so if the button code fails, it still boots the OF)
19:10:29bertrikfinally, make the button decide whether to boot the OF or the rockbox bootloader
19:10:32gevaertsWe didn't really *need* yet another way for sansas to be half-bricked
19:11:27tjb0607so now that the sansa firmware loads properly, it's safe to install rockbox?
19:11:33gevaertsShould be, yes
19:11:51tjb0607let's not be stupid this time and unmount it properly :p
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19:12:13gevaertsDon't ask rockbox utility to look for themes though, that's the same machine as the forums and it seems to be down at the moment
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19:12:26bertrikgevaerts, time to "brick" one of your sansas again to improve the recovery methods? :P
19:12:47gevaertsbertrik: I did try every single step here before telling tjb0607 about it :)
19:14:42tjb0607The sansa firmware is loaded, it says it's connected to the computer, kde detects a device but it won't mount
19:15:00tjb0607it says "Refresh database fail" when I disconnect the cord
19:15:13gevaertstjb0607: it's probably still set to MTP
19:15:24tjb0607how do I fix that?
19:15:34gevaertssettings->usb mode in the OF
19:15:49gevaertsYou need MSC
19:15:58tjb0607ok done
19:20:42tjb0607I can't mount it still
19:20:53tjb0607kde isn't even detecting it
19:21:04tjb0607and there's no /dev/sdb
19:21:41gevaertsDoes settings -> info show the size?
19:22:01tjb0607wait it has to restart. The boot takes quite a while
19:23:16tjb0607Memory: 0 MB Free: 0 MB
19:24:38gevaertsMaybe try formatting from the recovery mode again?
19:25:51tjb0607Do I put the .rom and .mi4 in too?
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19:26:24gevaertsI suspect you have to, if you want things to still boot
19:26:57tjb0607just making sure
19:29:07tjb0607still 0 MB memory
19:30:08gevaertsI'm beginning to suspect that there's a hardware problem there...
19:30:13tjb0607me too
19:30:38bertrikmaybe your flash chip needs a push?
19:30:47tjb0607I'll try again
19:31:04gevaertsbertrik: we've been through that, but also, the OF actually loads, so it does see the flash
19:35:17tjb0607would a microSDHC card help with anything?
19:36:54bertrikor maybe a newer OF version?
19:40:35gevaertsI'll try changing this tool to also verify writes
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19:58:21gevaertstjb0607: I've updated erase.bin (still at gevaerts/erase.bin"> to (a) provide correct counts, (b) erase the entire flash instead of a predetermined size, (c) write both nonzero and zero blocks and reading them back to check.
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19:58:43gevaertsThe end result will be a lot slower, but it should also tell you if there's an actual problem
19:59:28gevaertsIt doesn't write a partition table and FAT superblock any more, so you will still need a full manufacturing mode recovery (the partition table wasn't really right for an e200 anyway...)
20:00:33gevaertsIf there are problems, it will stop after the first one
20:01:05tjb0607it's working
20:01:36tjb0607this will take a while.
20:01:46gevaertsIt will, yes
20:02:30gevaertsWe don't boost in bootloader-derived code, so the CPU is only running at 24 or 30MHz, which is *slow*. I'd rather not touch that for this sort of thing though
20:06:04tjb0607well it's 1/16 done so far :p
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20:37:45bertrikI put my sansa clipzip dualboot code up for review in FS #12255
20:37:46fs-bluebot sansa clipzip: dualboot code for review (patches, new)
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20:52:30[Saint]bluebroth3r: "the playback issue"?
20:53:04[Saint] mean RaaA and random .ogg files?
20:57:38gevaertsDoes anyone have a working e200v1 nearby? What's the size of the firmware partition?
20:59:44bertrikgevaerts, I have
21:02:11gevaertsbertrik: can you have a look at the partition sizes:
21:02:34bertrikgevaerts, just boot the OF and have a look at dmesg, right?
21:02:45gevaertsor rockbox, doesn't matter
21:03:32bertriksorry, I don't know how to find out the size of the individual partitions, I see only the total in dmesg
21:04:04gevaertscat /proc/partitions will tell you more
21:04:21gevaertsThat's in 4K blocks, but that's fine
21:05:13bertrikfdisk -l /dev/sdb gives
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21:06:04bertrikcat /proc/partitions gives
21:06:52gevaertsOK, 20MB, same as on the c200
21:07:55*gevaerts wonders if his code actually works....
21:09:06gevaertsDoesn't look like it does :\
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21:13:12tjb0607which code?
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21:13:33gevaertsI'm adding code to do the partitioning and formatting to the recovery tool
21:13:57gevaertsNot really needed on the e200 since it has the .fmt system, but the c200 doesn't have that
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21:18:15tjb0607I'm at 7,500,000/7,854080 sectors
21:18:48gevaertsTime to get nervous!
21:21:29tjb0607almost there...
21:22:08tjb0607it's done
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21:23:30tjb0607how do I get it out of manufacturer's mode?
21:24:11gevaertsIs hold still on?
21:24:20gevaertsNormally unplug and press a button
21:24:46tjb0607I did that and when I turn it on it's in manufacturer's mode still
21:25:17*gevaerts nods
21:25:41gevaertsYou now need to go back to recovery mode using e200tool, as described on SansaE200Unbrick
21:25:59tjb0607ahh ok
21:27:40tjb0607now I copy the bootloader and mi4 and make the fmt?
21:28:36tjb0607did that, formatting...
21:29:01tjb0607done, resetting into OF
21:29:40tjb0607settings>info>Memory: 3807 MB
21:30:35tjb0607it mounted
21:30:48tjb0607I can edit files
21:31:07gevaertsOK, so I suppose my old wiping code was just buggy
21:31:13tjb0607time to install rockbox!
21:31:31gevaertsWhich wouldn't be a problem if the sansa recovery formatting code wasn't also buggy :)
21:34:27tjb0607but rbutil is being weird and thinking the mountpoint doesn't have permissions, I guess I'll install manually
21:38:39bluebroth3r[Saint]: I mean RaaAA and _any_ of my ogg files (which otherwise play fine, f.e. on the Ipod)
21:39:31tjb0607Actually I apparently needed to run it as root
21:40:07[Saint]*derp!* ;)
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21:40:27tjb0607well dolphin was able to edit everything fine under my user! :p
21:41:04gevaertsyou need raw partition access for the bootloader
21:43:40tjb0607ahh that makes sense
21:44:23tjb0607now time to put my backups back
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21:57:30CIA-14New commit by bertrik (r30410): sansa clipzip: add lcd_brightness function (to be used later to set the 'backlight' brightness)
21:59:35tjb0607now let's unplug it while it's writing and start this all over again!
22:01:44tjb0607thanks a ton gevaerts, you've made my school year bearable. :)
22:02:03CIA-14r30410 build result: All green
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22:05:47kugelbertrik: perhaps someone should test your code?
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22:07:22bertrikI plan to order a sansa clip zip once it becomes available for sale in my country and debug it then, I think it's not really possible to let someone else test/debug
22:09:52CIA-14New commit by bertrik (r30411): sansa clipzip: annotate lcd registers
22:10:59bertrikI think the first real hurdle to take is to make dualboot work
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22:15:16CIA-14r30411 build result: All green
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22:26:04saratogabertrik: maybe a good first step for the clip zip is to try inserting a delay without repacking the firmware?
22:26:10saratogaIIRC thats what funman did origignally
22:26:17saratogato make sure he had a working GPIO
22:27:16bertriksaratoga, what do you mean, adding a delay without the ucl decompression?
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22:27:45saratogaoriginally funman just stuck a wait loop into the firmware so it delayed booting 5 seconds
22:27:53saratogathen he made that loop conditional on a button press
22:28:15saratogathis way he could check that he could patch the firmware without too much risk to the player - it would boot even if he did something wrong
22:30:50bertrikmy plan for the first step is to use dualboot and ucl compression, but just boot to the OF, step 2 is to check a button and add a boot delay and step 3 is to make the button boot between OF and rockbox bootloader
22:31:16saratogai suppose UCL compression shouldn't fail since its the same as the clip+
22:32:03bertrikI think funman also ran the dualboot code on an emulator before (or after ...? ) trying on target
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22:47:43pamauryI had a thought about implement backtracing on device (at least on ARM) and I think it's doable using gcc DWARF (+ some handcrafted dwarfd directive to unwind further than irq/exception)
22:50:15amiconnHmm, build times are rising even though the changes are small
22:50:25*amiconn wonders why
22:53:39Zagorlooks like roolku's machines are used for other work. the traitor! ;-)
22:54:49amiconnOnly the bXX ones though, or did I overlook something?
22:55:47Zagorthe nxx machine are working at about half their normal speed
22:55:58amiconnAh no, the nXX ones too, just not as obvious
22:56:54amiconnAlthough - "round speed" fluctuates a lot, and some fluctuations are the effect of a primary one
22:57:48amiconnE.g. because the last round took much longer, my box got several builds it didn't get before, causing it to be slower, because nothing has been ccache'd for tthose builds
22:58:17Zagoryes. the system is too complex to predict accurately.
22:58:20amiconnBtw, the "sticky allocation" kugel suggested could be done for both target and android builds
22:59:06amiconnOnly sims and wps tool should be shuffled around in order to expose them to varying toolchains
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23:21:33bluebroth3r[Saint]: ok, it's working on top of r30276. Need to figure when it breaks later
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23:27:35gevaertsDo we want a FAT formatting plugin?
23:28:27CIA-14New commit by bluebrother (r30412): Quote command arguments to avoid the shell trying to expand them.
23:28:59bluebroth3rgevaerts: for formatting the drive Rockbox is running of?
23:29:06gevaertsPossibly :)
23:29:52gevaertsMore likely for things like archos and beast on large drives
23:30:11bluebroth3rcould make sense for those :)
23:30:35bluebroth3rbtw, is it possible to link a plugin to the system libz on Android?
23:31:07bluebroth3ror can plugins only link to Rockbox libs?
23:31:11CIA-14r30412 build result: All green
23:34:30CIA-14New commit by gevaerts (r30413): Rework c200wipe to use proper partitioning and formatting code, which makes the code size-independent. ...
23:37:38CIA-14r30413 build result: All green
23:38:04bluebroth3rgevaerts: interesting keyword line that main-ppsansawipe.c has :)
23:38:20bluebroth3rreminds me that I wanted to kill all keyword lines from Rockbox Utility
23:38:44gevaertsOh well, as soon as we move to git that should be history anyway
23:39:19*bluebroth3r tries one last thing about his Android issue
23:39:29gevaertsI should upload new binaries to the wiki and update the instructions there, and add a mention that the thing might be needed for e200 too
23:39:47gevaertsI guess nobody else really wants to do that?
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