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#rockbox log for 2011-09-06

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00:58:20pamauryI wonder why some functions have some documentation in the .c and not in the corresponding .h !
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01:11:18ej0rgehey, weird issue. H120, flashed rockbox, CF mod, been working reliably for a couple years in this configuration
01:11:41pamauryI do not quit get the meaning of the start param in timer_set
01:11:58ej0rgeupdated fw today to a current build, flashed new rockbox and rombox
01:12:28ej0rgeI Can boot from disk or boot from ram image but booting from rom image complains that there is no .rockbox directory, seems to be having trouble reading the filesystem
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01:24:15pamauryAm I saying crap or the start parameter of "bool timer_set(long cycles, bool start)" doesn't actually mean "start" but "call pfn_unregister" ?
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02:11:16MMDEHey, would this be a good place to ask for recommendation for my next handheld mediaplayer?
02:11:41LloreanRockbox is really only a music player
02:11:52LloreanWhile it plays some videos, it's very limited and a very secondary function.
02:11:54MMDEye ik
02:12:02MMDEi used to use it on some old sandisk
02:12:11LloreanI have no idea what "ye ik' even means.
02:12:22LloreanWe do ask that you use whole, real words where possible to avoid confusion like this.
02:12:28LloreanEnglish words, for that matter.
02:12:32LloreanIn case it's just another language.
02:12:36MMDEyeah, I know
02:12:47MMDE= ye ik
02:12:56LloreanAnyway, if you have questions about Rockbox and how it works on various players, here's the right place. If it's not about Rockbox, here isn't the right place.
02:14:17MMDESo you are saying I should rephrase my question
02:14:58LloreanRecommendations are kinda out of scope. Everyone has different preferences anyway. But if you had specific questions someone might be able to answer them
02:15:36MMDEk, since I used sandisk before, and I know it's pretty cheap, and supports sdhc
02:15:53MMDEhmm, why would I use rockbox on it?
02:16:14LloreanSandisk is a brand. There's several Sandisk branded players that run Rockbox.
02:16:20MMDEI'm talking those new Fuze I think
02:16:23LloreanAs to why, the website lits Rockbox's features just fine.
02:16:45LloreanThat's why I mentioned *specific* questions. We do ask that you do the reading yourself, and ask about things that aren't covered.
02:17:18MMDEAre you just trying to be difficult? :(
02:17:29LloreanNo, I'm really not.
02:18:10Llorean is in the channel topic, and it pretty much covers the things I mentioned to you.
02:20:23LloreanI could've just told you the answer to "why should I use Rockbox" is "it's better." But everything's subjective, so it's better if you familiarize yourself with what it does, then ask questions if you find the documents are lacking, or don't cover something like "how buggy is it at the moment?"
02:20:57MMDEI didn't ask why should I use Rockbox...
02:21:14MMDEI asked why I should use it on that specific model, as it does already support flac for example
02:21:27MMDEwhich is one of the main reasons to use Rockbox
02:21:30MMDEat least for me
02:21:59LloreanIf you don't feel the other features are useful, then don't use it.
02:22:30MMDEWhich is why I asked, are there many extra useful features?
02:22:47LloreanAre you honestly asking me to list for you every feature of Rockbox, so that you don't have to go and read them on the site?
02:23:26LloreanThen what are you asking? Become familiar enough with the original firmware so that you can list every single difference between it and Rockbox?
02:23:39LloreanI can't know what features are important to you. Which is why I recommend you just read about them.
02:23:48MMDEOne convincing reason is almost enough
02:24:04LloreanAnd you can't read about it to see if there is on?
02:24:29MMDEI don't have the model, which is kind of why I ask here, because I bet some people here are.
02:24:41LloreanRockbox is nearly the same on all hardware, in terms of features
02:24:57MMDEbut that is not the various media players
02:24:59LloreanThere are some cases where they differ. For example, if it has no radio, none of our radio features will be present, etc. This is pretty obvious.
02:25:13LloreanWhat is "not the various media players?"
02:25:26LloreanRockbox is Rockbox. The various media players are just hardware for it to run on.
02:26:01MMDEYou know of course that I mean the hardware of the various mediaplayers out there
02:26:13LloreanNo, I really don't know what you mean
02:26:21LloreanWhat hardware do you think makes things any different?
02:27:33MMDEYou do know what I mean, and you are just trying to be difficult. The various software that comes with these hardwares...
02:27:39CIA-14New commit by pamaury (r30437): imx233/fuze+: implement user time api, implement a stub function, protect timrot against irq
02:27:43LloreanMMDE: What software?
02:27:51LloreanRockbox is a replacement operating system.
02:27:56LloreanThe original firmware on the devices doesn't even matter.
02:28:07LloreanI thought you'd said you'd used it before...
02:28:18MMDEand a OS is not a software?
02:28:39LloreanOkay, simply put. Rockbox is like Windows. YOu can put it on a Dell or a Toshiba computer, and it still runs and works basically the same.
02:28:51MMDEI know what Rockbox is........
02:28:56LloreanSo what are you asking?
02:29:01MMDEdude, I'm not a dumb 14 year old kid
02:29:11LloreanWell, you're asking questions that are extremely unclear
02:29:23LloreanRockbox runs the same on all players, with exceptions for specific hardware limitations.
02:29:28LloreanThe original software doesn't factor into this.
02:29:38MMDEI know it does not
02:29:43LloreanSo if the software you're asking about isn't Rockbox, and isn't the original software, what software are you asking about?
02:30:18MMDEI'm asking about Rockbox and the original software
02:30:29LloreanI just said "the original software doesn't factor into this"
02:30:42CIA-14r30437 build result: All green
02:30:43LloreanRockbox doesn't care about it. That software is not running while Rockbox is running.
02:30:49MMDEI know
02:30:58MMDEbut comparision
02:31:09LloreanAnd I told you, read the features of Rockbox.
02:31:12MMDEthat is what I can't do without knowing the original software
02:31:15LloreanDecide if you want to use Rockbox or not.
02:31:18MMDEwhich I bet some people here do
02:31:46LloreanYou asked why you should use Rockbox.
02:31:58LloreanThere's a feature list.
02:32:09MMDEbut to know that, I need to know the original software's features as well
02:32:15LloreanAre you seriously telling me "how much more it does" is more important than "the total number of things it does"?
02:33:29MMDEIf the original software does the same as what I need it for and maybe more, why would I use Rockbox?
02:33:49saratogaMMDE: please keep this on topic, if you just want to chat check out rockbox-community
02:33:54LloreanAh, but you can read about what Rockbox does and say "that sounds good." Then if you get the player, and find out the original software is *more* for whatever reason, you don't have to install
02:34:02LloreanNone of that requires knowing what the original software does in advance.
02:34:23LloreanThe only situation that requires knowing the original is if Rockbox doesn't do enough. And if that's the case, you don't need to be here ayway.
02:34:47MMDE*more* is not what I'm looking for, it's about deciding which player I want, and if Rockbox still has anything to actually to offer me
02:34:53MMDEand I know I can read the feature page
02:35:04MMDEbut I don't know the original models software that well
02:35:12MMDEto make a good comparision in any way
02:35:13saratogawell this isn't the right place to ask about that
02:35:31MMDEwell, where would you say it is then?
02:35:45saratogaif you just want to chat check out rockbox-community
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02:36:03MMDEI don
02:36:09MMDE't just want to chat
02:36:30MMDEk, thanks for being very constructive and not wasting my time...
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03:06:57milkarghs, wondering if anyone could advise - trying to install rockbox (on ubuntu) but the installer says it has finished downloading the .zip but then hangs.
03:07:22milkshould it go straight on from there?
03:10:55saratogayou could just download the zip and extract it to your player directly
03:11:53robin0800milk, no it doesn't
03:13:09mc2739 /sb search milk
03:14:43milksaratoga; aah, right. does that put the bootloader on also?
03:17:06saratogausually installing a bootloader involves patching something or another
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04:50:43milkis it me, or can one not download theme zips directly on the website?
04:51:03milkcan't see a dl link anywhere
04:51:36saratogaiirc you click on the picture or something like that?
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05:02:45milkthanks :)
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07:57:46bluebrother[Saint]: sorry, shortened the URL wrongly :o
07:58:06bluebrotheranyway, user data down to 68k. Quite nice IMO :)
08:06:47JdGordonit still uses 10MB or so for the apk storage though doesnt it?
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09:14:12[Saint]JdGordon: Give or take a MB or so, yeah.
09:14:34[Saint]Doesn't really matter when ~80% of that is on the sdcard
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09:54:14bluebrotherJdGord: it does. Though the codecs take up quite a bit
09:54:51bluebrotherI'm wondering if we could link libcodec dynamocally to the codecs.
10:00:37JdGordWould that have any beneift?
10:00:57JdGordIts not really big
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10:03:18bluebrotherit's linked to every codec, so that adds up
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10:27:04glitch_hello. i have rockboxed ipod classic 7g. when i connect it to linux machine, everything works normal but when i connect it to the windows 7 (x64) machine the disk is not readable. flashing was done using windows 7 machine. any idea what could be wrong?
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11:10:28glitch_solution found!
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11:14:24glitch_uninstall ipod driver under device manager > disk drives > apple ipod classic usb device, then reboot windows and after reboot when ipod connected it will autoinstall correct driver
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11:43:14amiconnbluebrother: Only those codeclib parts which are actually needed by a codec are linked to it. This is why we're using -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections.
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12:34:21CIA-14New commit by nls (r30438): midi: make the patch sample data pointer a *int16_t to get rid of some ugly casting and drop an acessor macro to make caching the pointer in the ...
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12:36:39CIA-14r30438 build result: All green
12:37:09n1shmm, i do hear the aliasing or ringing in some midi tracks now that i probably never tested before :/
12:38:00n1si think preglow at some point said it was the linear interpolation done between samples, and i guess that makes little sense to do at 22.05kHz anyway
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13:06:08GodEater_ok - who broke dbtool? :)
13:07:45n1si thought it was supposed to be built by the build system by now?
13:08:24n1suh, how do you even build it?
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13:12:03gevaertsn1s: by selecting it in configure
13:12:50*n1s must be blind then
13:13:32gevaertsAre you selecting a target first?
13:14:20n1si did but i just didn't see it there i guess since the line wraps
13:14:37n1swhy is it per-target anyway?
13:15:28n1sah, it's probably because i thought it would be under advanced
13:15:55gevaertsBecause (a) it's a lot easier to do it that way, and (b) not all targets support the same file formats. (b) is of course the official reason
13:16:08n1sGodEater_: it builds fine here
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13:16:39gevaertsn1s: it builds, yes, but the report on the ML says it doesn't *work*
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13:17:14n1sif it ever turns into a program people use it should be able to switch target/features at runtime
13:21:20n1si would guess the buflib is a candidate for breaking it
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13:34:52JdGordon[Saint]: piiiiing
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13:35:46n1san obvious improvement could be to allow the user to specify the patch from which to build the db :)
13:36:17n1sand perhaps print something
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14:11:14gbl08maHello everybody. Am I blind, or the Rockbox manual doesn't explain the "car adapter mode" setting?
14:12:24JdGordonits very hard to tell over irc if someone else is blind
14:12:37JdGordonits sort of like sarcasm detection
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14:16:41Zagorgbl08ma: it's section 8.5.6
14:16:52Zagorwhich manual are you looking at?
14:17:45Zagorah, the section numbers are slightly different for different models. still, it's in section 8.5 "System settings"
14:19:18linuxstbgbl08ma: Also, not all players have that feature. (or maybe it's mistakenly missing from your manual) - what player do you have?
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14:21:46gbl08mai have the nano2g and I'm seeing the respective manual, daily built, online version
14:22:00gbl08mathe nano2g has that feature, at least it shows in the menu
14:22:25gbl08maOn General Settings -> System
14:23:05gbl08maon the nano2g manual, section 8.5.6 is "Accessory Power Supply"
14:23:29*JdGordon thinks about "System" > "general settings" > "system" and laughs that noone thought of that as an excuse to not go that route
14:24:46linuxstbThen it's probably just missing from that manual by mistake. Try looking at the ipod video manual instead.
14:25:18gbl08mathe ipod video manual has it
14:25:37gbl08mathanks! still I think the bug should be fixed
14:25:39Zagoris it a bug in the manual(s) or the code? does car adapter mode work on the nano?
14:26:06Zagornone of the ipod manuals have it, except the video
14:26:38JdGordonprobably the manual isnt picking up the #define
14:27:41JdGordonit should be on the "charging" TeX define
14:27:46JdGordonor however that works
14:31:57n1snot all targets with charging has working car adapter mode though
14:32:20n1son h300 for example the bootloader prevents it from working
14:32:30n1sor working well at least
14:33:16n1shmm, it appears to have the setting still so ignore me i guess :)
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14:33:52ZagorI'd call that a bug. if it doesn't work, it shouldn't have the setting.
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14:34:36n1sit works it's just that the bootloader starts the OF if the charger is connected at boot so the car adapter use case is broken but the setting probably works fine...
14:35:09wodzha, I finally rebase my work regarding rk27xx. Be prepared for commits flood
14:36:07Zagorn1s: I don't call that "works"
14:36:31Zagorthe feature is to automatically start rockbox on power-on. if that doesn't work, the feature is broken and should be disabled.
14:36:47wodzIf I count correctly this will be 22 commits
14:37:11n1sZagor: yeah in a way i agree
14:37:58CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30439): Implement driver for internal codec in rk27xx (shCODlp-100.01-HD IP core from Dolphin)
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14:38:06CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30440): rk27xx - implement dbg_hw_info() and dbg_ports()
14:38:09CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30441): rk27xx - implement driver for usb controller in rk27xx. This does not quite work now because of the way how controller and our usb stack are ...
14:38:15CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30442): rk27xx - nand stub
14:38:19CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30443): rk27xx - basic power management related functions
14:38:24CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30444): rk27xx - implement pcm driver.
14:38:31CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30445): rk27xx - app linker script
14:38:36CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30446): rk27xx - implement basic keymap for reference design
14:38:39n1sanyway the manual doesn't use one of the "features" but rather a manual opt for this so it will not automatically be picked up for new targets
14:38:42CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30447): rk27xx - tweak a bit sd driver and add some debuging code
14:38:49CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30448): add lcd_blit_yuv() stub to the rk27xx lcd driver
14:38:54CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30449): remove references to ipod nano 2g rom ata-nand-rk27xx.c
14:39:00CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30450): rk27xx adc - fix function name
14:39:08CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30451): rk27xx - implement cache handling functions
14:39:14CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30452): rk27xx - disable core_sleep() as it simply hangs when cache is enabled for unknown reason.
14:39:20CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30453): rk27xx - arm7ej-s doesn't have MMU/MPU (just like arm7tdmi)
14:39:25CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30454): rk27xx - adjust core files for rk27xx internal codec
14:39:29CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30455): rk27xx - update config files
14:39:32JdGordonthats what git squish is for :)
14:39:33CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30456): rk27xx - enable cache
14:39:38CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30457): rk27xx - update firmware/SOURCES
14:39:42CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30458): rk27xx - enable debug screen
14:39:48wodzJdGordon: this changes are orhogonal
14:39:51CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30459): rk27xx - enable a few test plugins
14:40:00CIA-14New commit by wodz (r30460): rk27load - fix indentation
14:40:05JdGordoncommit count whore :)
14:40:49CIA-14r30439 build result: All green
14:41:05wodzI just was for too long without proper net access :-)
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14:43:01ukleinekwodz: wow
14:43:14wodznow this commits mean that one can upload rockbox binary to the rk27xx by means of recovery mode, run playback (a bit choppy now), run plugins (I cared to prepare a few test_*)
14:43:20ukleinekwodz: I saw your mail, didn't yet have the time to look into yet
14:43:32Zagorwodz: nice!
14:43:48CIA-14r30459 build result: All green
14:44:42wodzukleinek: anyway your nand dump looks pretty standard
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14:53:29pamaurywodz: you shouldn't have waited so long !
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14:54:59wodzpamaury: you motivated me with your latest commits :-)
14:56:08pamauryAnd now they don't appear anymore on the first page :( I'll have to commit even more :)
14:56:48wodzgo for pcm driver NOW!
14:57:56pamaurythat's my plan, but now *right* now
14:58:34pamauryI still need to fully understand the audio architecture of the imx233, it's a bit complicated
14:59:34wodzusually this is simply a matter of setting up i2s interface, codec and hw driven dma
15:00:06pamauryeverything is in the chip
15:00:32wodzthat doesn't matter - in rk27xx everything is in chip also
15:00:41pamauryhowever it's a bit weird because there are some interaction between the recording and playback part (they share some hardware)
15:02:04wodzdigital interface should be shared but nothing else I guess
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15:03:03pamaurywell the manual say they share some hardware (and hardware settings) as well as the dma interface. So some output setting might change some input one. It's not extremely clear and there is the errata too, so I juste need to read it carefully
15:06:33pamaury(and don't forget that everything has to be complicated with the imx233 ;))
15:13:35wodzNow I have to understand why playback is so choppy. Looping sine wave samples in bootloader works as expected so dma/i2s handling is correct.
15:14:40pamaurynice, the audio part has a bit and the doc says "Never set DAC_ZERO_ENABLE!"
15:15:20wodzlovely - don't set this or your ears will blow up :-)
15:16:14pamauryI think this bit will immediately disable audio output but the manual describes the right way of doing it
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15:49:43CIA-14New commit by jdgordon (r30461): Lists can now be completly draw using the skin engine! ...
15:50:26JdGordonthat should make the android lists a bit nicer to use
15:50:58CIA-14r30461 build result: 4015 errors, 1536 warnings (jdgordon committed)
15:51:24JdGordonhaha woopsies?
15:52:02JdGordondes git svn not handle adding files?
15:53:42JdGordontake 2
15:53:47CIA-14New commit by jdgordon (r30462): Add the new file and fix the compile error
15:53:57JdGordonhopefully this lets the actual commit stay on the main page for long enough for ppl to see :p
15:55:51gevaertsJdGordon: can we show AA in the playlist viewer now? ;)
15:56:21JdGordonwhich one?
15:56:30gevaertsAny of them!
15:56:38JdGordonyou always could
15:56:39CIA-14r30462 build result: 488 errors, 3 warnings (jdgordon committed)
15:57:07*gevaerts should spend some time on updating his wps to use some of the fancy new features
15:58:20CIA-14New commit by jdgordon (r30463): fix checkwps
15:59:09*gevaerts especially likes "if the last param is 'tile' it will form a grid instead of a list" although he isn't entirely sure how usable that will be on a non-touchscreen target
15:59:28JdGordonits fuckig wierd on the e200 sim :)
15:59:52JdGordonfor some reason e200 is my standard sim though i havnt used the real e20 in over a year :)
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16:01:08CIA-14r30463 build result: 221 errors, 2 warnings (jdgordon committed)
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16:02:57gevaertsSo if I understand this right, with some creative use of %if(), %LT, %cs, and %xl/%xd (and provided you're always using the same language) it should be possible to make one of those non-list one-option-per-screen UIs (with large images) like on the c200 or the clip OF?
16:03:26gevaertsI'll run out of RAM of course
16:04:45JdGordoneasily, yes
16:05:08gevaertsJdGordon: is there a way to get the current directory when drawing the list in the file browser?
16:05:18JdGordonOnce I get really drunk I'll look into using buflib for the skin buffer to make it more flexible
16:05:49JdGordongevaerts: err... there *can* be easily if there isnt already
16:05:52gevaertsIf there is, combining that with %LT and appending "cover.bmp", you'd have integrated album art in the file browser
16:06:04JdGordondoesnt work like that
16:06:13gevaertsPity :)
16:06:26JdGordontemping though
16:06:30JdGordonseriously temping
16:06:35gevaertsNo worries, it would be *horrible* for RAM usage
16:06:39JdGordonfile a bug for that
16:06:46JdGordonno, load on the fly
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16:07:04JdGordonnoone sane would actually use it thugh
16:07:28CIA-14New commit by jdgordon (r30464): fix the last of the error
16:07:37gevaertsI suspect we'll end up wanting more tags eventually
16:07:54JdGordontags are pretty cheap
16:08:02JdGordonespecially if they dont need to be parsed manually
16:08:04gevaertsIf you use this for e.g. database lists, you probably want to get file tags from the database
16:08:21gevaertsNot sure how that would work though
16:08:55JdGordonthe wps playlist viewer already supports getting tags from the db if it is in ram
16:09:43JdGordoncurrent limitation of this skinned lists is it doesnt work with lists which want multi line selectors
16:10:15CIA-14r30464 build result: All green
16:11:08gevaertsI'll try to play around with what's there now tonight. Thinking of more stuff to want is easy, but this commit should already add a lot of new possibilities
16:11:56JdGordonwoo :)
16:12:13JdGordonpart of why i commited now was because I;ve given up on waiting for user feedback
16:12:27JdGordonI'm happy to change the tags if you feel they suck
16:13:10gevaertsNo, at first sight they look reasonable. It's just that I want *more* :)
16:13:28JdGordonThe other annoyance is the scrollbar tag doesnt quite work brilliantly :/
16:13:40JdGordonit should be ok with a slider bitmap thouh
16:13:51gevaertsThings like the English version of the current text if it comes from apps/lang :)
16:14:31*gevaerts suspects that that's probably not easy to get at
16:14:39JdGordonwhy would you want that?
16:15:13gevaertsIs there a better way than looking at text to select an image to show depending on the active menu item?
16:16:29gevaertsI'm thinking of this one-item-per-screen UI thing, where you e.g. want to show a giant microphone if you're on the "recording" item
16:16:40JdGordonuse %?LI<> which will give you the icon number
16:16:50gevaertsOh, right!
16:17:19gevaertsYes, that should work for at least the main cases
16:17:39*gevaerts wants to know why he missed that
16:17:41*JdGordon also wanted to add a second viewport label to use for the current selection which doesnt have to be the same size as the others, but not sure how to make that work so didnt
16:18:20gevaertsActually you want different sizes depending on how far you are from the current selection!
16:18:26gevaerts(and warping)
16:18:39JdGordonthat may not be feasible :)
16:19:17JdGordonhave you got a large enough font to make the c200 menu OF style?
16:19:32gevaertsI told you thinking of more stuff to want is easy :)
16:20:04JdGordonyes, but the danger is that I go and implement it!
16:20:04gevaertsI think so. I'd say such UIs don't need huge text, just huge images
16:20:42JdGordonfurther next steps include makeing the menus be able to display the setting values inline
16:24:08JdGordonwhy is the zen deltas so huge?
16:24:16JdGordoncrossed a memory boundary or something?
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16:30:47gevaertsJdGordon: how is image loading done? I assume %xl()-ing lots of large images may be a bad idea, but I don't know if the alternatives are better. If I %x() the image I need if %Lc is true, will that save RAM?
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16:40:09gbl08maIs there any problem on adding as one of the predefined websites on the speeddial of a Linux distro remastering I'm doing?
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16:41:00TorneOK, i've just sent a mail to -dev explaining where we are with git and what the next steps are
16:41:11TorneIf you have comments on this I politely request that you make them as soon as possible
16:41:28Torneas i am intending to press on with those next steps pretty soon if i can :)
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16:46:42GodEater_cool - thanks torne
16:46:50Torneyeah, sorry it's been this long
16:46:54Tornei have been crazy busy with stuff
16:47:08Tornethe solution is to work on it while at work :)
16:47:33Tornei ignored it while the swedes were on holiday and then didn't have time to do much about it when they got back
16:49:34GodEater_"Switch to git, all those in favour?" seemed like such an easy thing at devcon. :)
16:49:48GodEater_the real workis always more involved than you imagine
16:52:36JdGordongevaerts: all skin images are loaded at parse time so no difference on the tag used
16:53:11gevaertsThis will *hurt* battery runtime :)
16:53:28JdGordonchanging the skins to use buflib is high on my todo lib
16:53:36JdGordonat least for loading big things like images
16:56:55[Saint]what the!?!
16:57:00[Saint]gevaerts skinning?
16:57:07*[Saint] falls down dead from shock.
16:57:45[Saint]Its not drupal, or a crazy .wps to prove bars could go backward long before they really could it? ;)
16:59:14gevaerts[Saint]: I'll have you know that my theme was one of the very first ones to have AA in the .sbs
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16:59:45[Saint]gevaerts: One thing I do know, is that where possible using bitmapstrips as opposed to %xl'ing individual images speeds up loading by an order of magnitude, I'm not sure how much effect %x'ing when needed as opposed to %xl'ing and %xd'ing when needed has, though.
17:00:39*[Saint] hopes gevaerts parses that.
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17:00:47[Saint]It *seems* readable, to me.
17:00:56gevaerts%x vs %xl/%xd shouldn't make much of a difference in loading speed I expect
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17:02:05gevaerts[Saint]: I challenge you to try %T() in these list viewports :)
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17:05:55[Saint]No, I don't believe so...%xl(foo,0,0), %xl(bar,0,0), %xl(baz,0,0) %?Xx<%xd(foo)|%xd(bar)|%xd(baz)>, as opposed to %xl(foobarbaz,0,0,3) %?Xx<%xd(foobarbaza)|%xd(foobarbazb)|%xd(foobarbazc)> does make a difference in loading.
17:06:17[Saint]not a particularly good syntax example, but...uyeah, I hope you know what I'm getting at :D
17:06:35*[Saint] strussles to remember what %T is
17:07:22[Saint]*ahem* "struggles".
17:07:32ukleinekTorne: what about providing an openid service on
17:08:24[Saint]gevaerts: What are you playing with, btw?
17:08:31[Saint]syntax updating for drupal?
17:08:51*[Saint] is in a nosey mood.
17:09:22Torneukleinek: that kinda defeats the point somewhat
17:09:39Tornethe point of openid is that you use something you alrady have an account with and are already logged into
17:09:49Torneto avoid the proliferation of accounts and the associated security issues :)
17:10:59ukleinekTorne: provided you already have an openid account and you don't care about Google and friends who then will be able to learn more about you
17:11:21Torneukleinek: you can use any provider you like, including a server of your own
17:11:34*ukleinek shrugs
17:11:51Torneand the only info the provider gets is that you logged into gerrit there once :)
17:12:05Torneanyway, yeah.
17:12:17TorneIf we don't use something like this, then the alternative is to have yet another account system somehow
17:12:29Torneand part of the point of this is that non-committers should be able to have accounts
17:12:51GodEater_which would mean an order of magnitude more accounts than we currnently have to deal with
17:12:55Torneour current svn account list would work to authorise committers, but it's managed manually and i dobut we want to do that for any random person on the internet who feels like uploading a patch
17:13:08GodEater_hell to the no
17:13:14Torneso yeah. the options gerrit supports are openid, ldap or having the webserver do it via http auth
17:13:31GodEater_openid ftw
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17:16:15Torneyeah, i am waiting to be able to use openid to log into *everywhere* :)
17:16:19Tornethat would save me a lot of trouble
17:27:46ukleinekpamaury: not sure if that helps you, but there is
17:31:31pamauryno, the fuze+ doesn't use saif
17:35:22*ukleinek shrugs again
17:39:33[Saint]bluebrother: Ping?
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17:40:44[Saint]gevaerts: re: %T in viewports...been there, done that.
17:41:15[Saint]I made a dummy theme when this first came out that completely reimplemented a touchscreen main menu with user viewports.
17:41:52[Saint]the skinned lists make it possible for the skins to completely draw the menus now, to an ordering of the theme authors choice.
17:42:12[Saint]ie. "its now possible for a theme to completely re-shape the main menu"
17:42:32[Saint]Lots and lots and lots of LOC, though.
17:42:50[Saint](if you wanted to re-do the *entire* menu system this way.
17:43:47[Saint]The only downside is, no scrolling (AFAIK), but I used botmaps for all the main menu entries
17:44:05[Saint]bitmaps too.
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18:41:08bluebrother[Saint]: pong
18:42:16[Saint]bluebrother: So, if I'm doing a "clean" installation of it sufficient to play a dummy rockbox-info.txt in /sdcard/rockbox/ ?
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18:55:54CIA-14New commit by bertrik (r30465): sansa clipzip: fix lcd init delay (remove lcd_delay and replace it with a sleep)
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18:58:10CIA-14r30465 build result: All green
19:00:34bertrikis there a simple way to disable building all plugins for a specific target?
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19:03:30wodzbertrik: yes, there is. You need to set plugins="" in configure
19:04:22wodzI mean in section related to the desired target
19:06:57bertrikhm, ok, I set it to "no" but I somehow still get plugin warnings
19:08:35wodz"no" will not work :-)
19:08:58wodzand you will get warnings about missing keymaps anyway during dep check
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19:26:19pamauryarg, I hate the fuze+ power button, you need to press it 10sec to power off, but if you press it 10sec+epsilon, it will reboot !
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20:16:30bluebrother[Saint]: did you try the aa-in-notification-area build yet? I'm wondering if it makes sense on a low-res display
20:17:17[Saint]Yeah, it looks OK.
20:17:35[Saint]Google Music beta uses similarly tiny AA in their notification bar.
20:17:50bluebrotherok. Never tried Google Music ;-)
20:18:02[Saint]its enough to know what's playing at a glance if you recognise the album cover.
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20:23:11bluebrotherok. Now I need to find some time to figure what's the problem with current svn. And probably post it to FS :)
20:23:35[Saint]Ask JdGordon or kugel re: bufflib.
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20:42:56[Saint]bluebrother: You think you'd be able to commit a ".nomedia" file for /sdcard/rockbox/ for RaaAoA builds?
20:44:14[Saint]having theme bitmaps (and JhsMikes reckons the core will eventually (or can presently?) handle triggering sound effects) in the gallery is bound to piss more people off than just me.
20:45:24[Saint]I know how to fix it (with a ".nomedia" file), but "Average Joe" probably doesn't.
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21:01:07LloreanNot to mention, on from-the-store handset, you're typically going to need to install an additional app of some sort just to create the .nomedia file or hook it up to a PC.
21:13:17*[Saint] nods.
21:13:33[Saint]*most* vendor ROMs don't have a file explorer.
21:13:40LloreanI definitely think a .nomedia in .rockbox is fine.
21:14:00LloreanEven if you have a file explorer, you find yourself searching for an included folder that already has .nomedia, unless yours includes a "touch" or equivalent.
21:14:11[Saint]*pedantic even
21:14:12LloreanIt's not .rockbox on Android?
21:14:20LloreanWhy not?
21:14:36LloreanI'd heard . folders don't show up in media scans anyway, and just assumed maybe I'd heard incorrect if it was a problem.
21:14:50LloreanSo that might solve it too. It's not like people have any more reason to dig in it in Android than on other devices.
21:16:13[Saint]On one hand...installing RaaA kinda fixes the "no file explorer" thing.
21:16:33LloreanAh, I guess this is true. Heh.
21:16:39[Saint]But, there's no text editor, so, its irrelevant.
21:17:24[Saint]long story short...."a .nomedia" file in /sdcard/rockbox/ would be great.
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22:22:48kugel[Saint]: you can create .nomedia within rockbox. no need for text editor
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22:38:41mrkikothe web server, probably apache, answering at is vulnerable to the latest discovered debianl of service against apache, the one based on misuse of the HTTP range header
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22:39:15mrkikoHoping someone can take care of upgrading the server.
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22:48:00n1sthat would be Zagor i think
22:49:17ukleinekmrkiko: how do you know it's vulnerable?
22:49:36Bagderit would also be nice not to broadcast to the world about possible security problems on public sites
22:50:03mrkikoukleinek: I siply tried
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22:50:29ukleinekmrkiko: for me the website still works
22:50:45Bagderright, but he tried the range header and checked the response I guess
22:50:54mrkikoukleinek: and I was able to get the server to close connections and stop responding for short periods... but my intention wasn't to disturb, so I stopped the script
22:51:20mrkikoBagder: you're right
22:51:47mrkikoBagder: but i then tried with a script since some servers aren't really vulnerable even if they reply with what you expect
22:52:07Bagderyou mean you couldn't make them crash?
22:52:11Bagderthat's not really the same thing
22:52:24Bagderthe attack is about wasting resources
22:52:38Bagderwhich you will do if the response is like it used to do
22:52:52Bagdereven if many sites will survive it
22:53:02mrkikoBagder: and you're right, it would have been better to write a private email or message someone...
22:53:47mrkikoBagder: no ... sorry for my english .i meant I won't create any problems to anyone :D
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22:55:27mrkikook guys
22:55:30mrkikotime for me to go bed :D
22:55:39mrkikogood day / night!
22:58:27mrkiko:D byeeee
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23:13:49fredreichbierhi there! i want to buy a new mp3 player with rockbox support. i waaanted to buy a sansa fuze (because i had one some time ago), but it's very hard to buy it because of the fuze+. can anyone recommend a current mp3 player?
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23:26:37Strife89fredreichbier: may help a little.
23:28:47fredreichbierStrife89, ah, thank you! sadly they're all out of production. :D
23:29:10Strife89All but the Fuze v2. :)
23:31:05fredreichbierit seems to be very hard to get it, though :/ the fuze+ is cheaper than the fuze v2
23:31:31pamaurythen get the fuze+ and hope that the port will be ready soon :)
23:32:11Strife89The chart probably needs to be updated anyway. Among other things, it's missing a few Stable targets.
23:32:24Strife89(The Clip+, for instance.)
23:32:53fredreichbierpamaury, i would, but i read that the fuze+ is not as good as the fuze v2 ;) seems to have a very slow touchscreen
23:33:40pamaurythe touchscreen is slow because of the software. I'm doing the fuze+ port and you can tweak the touchpad to get better response time I think
23:34:02pamaurybut I agree it's not perfec
23:34:33pamaurybut the screen is nice :-)
23:35:05fredreichbierah, you're doing it! cool!
23:35:09fredreichbierso you would recommend it?
23:36:24pamauryHonestly I don't know. I would not recommend the OF for sure, I used it a bit and it's not really good except it you only have mp3 files. Of course I will recommend rockbox on it when it's ready but I'm a little bit unfaire :)
23:37:02pamauryIt pretty much depend on your need, one drawback is its size I think
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23:39:56fredreichbierah yeah, it's bigger than the fuze v2, isn't it?
23:41:06pamauryI don't have a fuzev2 but iirc yes it's quite bigger. It shouldn't be too hard to find a photo of both on google
23:41:45pamaurysee for example
23:42:00fredreichbiermhm oh yeah
23:42:29fredreichbierwell, i had a fuze v2 some time ago when i didn't know rockbox, and i was really happy without until i ran into a table and broke its display :P
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