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| 00:58:20 | pamaury | I wonder why some functions have some documentation in the .c and not in the corresponding .h ! |
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| 01:11:18 | ej0rge | hey, weird issue. H120, flashed rockbox, CF mod, been working reliably for a couple years in this configuration |
| 01:11:41 | pamaury | I do not quit get the meaning of the start param in timer_set |
| 01:11:58 | ej0rge | updated fw today to a current build, flashed new rockbox and rombox |
| 01:12:28 | ej0rge | I Can boot from disk or boot from ram image but booting from rom image complains that there is no .rockbox directory, seems to be having trouble reading the filesystem |
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| 01:24:15 | pamaury | Am I saying crap or the start parameter of "bool timer_set(long cycles, bool start)" doesn't actually mean "start" but "call pfn_unregister" ? |
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| 02:11:16 | MMDE | Hey, would this be a good place to ask for recommendation for my next handheld mediaplayer? |
| 02:11:41 | Llorean | Rockbox is really only a music player |
| 02:11:52 | Llorean | While it plays some videos, it's very limited and a very secondary function. |
| 02:11:54 | MMDE | ye ik |
| 02:12:02 | MMDE | i used to use it on some old sandisk |
| 02:12:11 | Llorean | I have no idea what "ye ik' even means. |
| 02:12:22 | Llorean | We do ask that you use whole, real words where possible to avoid confusion like this. |
| 02:12:28 | Llorean | English words, for that matter. |
| 02:12:32 | Llorean | In case it's just another language. |
| 02:12:36 | MMDE | yeah, I know |
| 02:12:47 | MMDE | = ye ik |
| 02:12:56 | Llorean | Anyway, if you have questions about Rockbox and how it works on various players, here's the right place. If it's not about Rockbox, here isn't the right place. |
| 02:14:17 | MMDE | So you are saying I should rephrase my question |
| 02:14:58 | Llorean | Recommendations are kinda out of scope. Everyone has different preferences anyway. But if you had specific questions someone might be able to answer them |
| 02:15:36 | MMDE | k, since I used sandisk before, and I know it's pretty cheap, and supports sdhc |
| 02:15:53 | MMDE | hmm, why would I use rockbox on it? |
| 02:16:14 | Llorean | Sandisk is a brand. There's several Sandisk branded players that run Rockbox. |
| 02:16:20 | MMDE | I'm talking those new Fuze I think |
| 02:16:23 | Llorean | As to why, the website lits Rockbox's features just fine. |
| 02:16:45 | Llorean | That's why I mentioned *specific* questions. We do ask that you do the reading yourself, and ask about things that aren't covered. |
| 02:17:18 | MMDE | Are you just trying to be difficult? :( |
| 02:17:29 | Llorean | No, I'm really not. |
| 02:18:10 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines is in the channel topic, and it pretty much covers the things I mentioned to you. |
| 02:20:23 | Llorean | I could've just told you the answer to "why should I use Rockbox" is "it's better." But everything's subjective, so it's better if you familiarize yourself with what it does, then ask questions if you find the documents are lacking, or don't cover something like "how buggy is it at the moment?" |
| 02:20:57 | MMDE | I didn't ask why should I use Rockbox... |
| 02:21:14 | MMDE | I asked why I should use it on that specific model, as it does already support flac for example |
| 02:21:27 | MMDE | which is one of the main reasons to use Rockbox |
| 02:21:30 | MMDE | at least for me |
| 02:21:59 | Llorean | If you don't feel the other features are useful, then don't use it. |
| 02:22:30 | MMDE | Which is why I asked, are there many extra useful features? |
| 02:22:47 | Llorean | Are you honestly asking me to list for you every feature of Rockbox, so that you don't have to go and read them on the site? |
| 02:22:54 | MMDE | no |
| 02:23:26 | Llorean | Then what are you asking? Become familiar enough with the original firmware so that you can list every single difference between it and Rockbox? |
| 02:23:39 | Llorean | I can't know what features are important to you. Which is why I recommend you just read about them. |
| 02:23:48 | MMDE | One convincing reason is almost enough |
| 02:24:04 | Llorean | And you can't read about it to see if there is on? |
| 02:24:29 | MMDE | I don't have the model, which is kind of why I ask here, because I bet some people here are. |
| 02:24:41 | Llorean | Rockbox is nearly the same on all hardware, in terms of features |
| 02:24:57 | MMDE | but that is not the various media players |
| 02:24:59 | Llorean | There are some cases where they differ. For example, if it has no radio, none of our radio features will be present, etc. This is pretty obvious. |
| 02:25:13 | Llorean | What is "not the various media players?" |
| 02:25:26 | Llorean | Rockbox is Rockbox. The various media players are just hardware for it to run on. |
| 02:26:01 | MMDE | You know of course that I mean the hardware of the various mediaplayers out there |
| 02:26:13 | Llorean | No, I really don't know what you mean |
| 02:26:21 | Llorean | What hardware do you think makes things any different? |
| 02:26:46 | MMDE | no |
| 02:27:33 | MMDE | You do know what I mean, and you are just trying to be difficult. The various software that comes with these hardwares... |
| 02:27:39 | CIA-14 | New commit by pamaury (r30437): imx233/fuze+: implement user time api, implement a stub function, protect timrot against irq |
| 02:27:43 | Llorean | MMDE: What software? |
| 02:27:51 | Llorean | Rockbox is a replacement operating system. |
| 02:27:56 | Llorean | The original firmware on the devices doesn't even matter. |
| 02:28:07 | Llorean | I thought you'd said you'd used it before... |
| 02:28:18 | MMDE | and a OS is not a software? |
| 02:28:29 | MMDE | an* |
| 02:28:39 | Llorean | Okay, simply put. Rockbox is like Windows. YOu can put it on a Dell or a Toshiba computer, and it still runs and works basically the same. |
| 02:28:51 | MMDE | I know what Rockbox is........ |
| 02:28:56 | Llorean | So what are you asking? |
| 02:29:01 | MMDE | dude, I'm not a dumb 14 year old kid |
| 02:29:11 | Llorean | Well, you're asking questions that are extremely unclear |
| 02:29:23 | Llorean | Rockbox runs the same on all players, with exceptions for specific hardware limitations. |
| 02:29:28 | Llorean | The original software doesn't factor into this. |
| 02:29:38 | MMDE | I know it does not |
| 02:29:43 | Llorean | So if the software you're asking about isn't Rockbox, and isn't the original software, what software are you asking about? |
| 02:30:18 | MMDE | I'm asking about Rockbox and the original software |
| 02:30:29 | Llorean | I just said "the original software doesn't factor into this" |
| 02:30:42 | CIA-14 | r30437 build result: All green |
| 02:30:43 | Llorean | Rockbox doesn't care about it. That software is not running while Rockbox is running. |
| 02:30:49 | MMDE | I know |
| 02:30:58 | MMDE | but comparision |
| 02:31:09 | Llorean | And I told you, read the features of Rockbox. |
| 02:31:12 | MMDE | that is what I can't do without knowing the original software |
| 02:31:15 | Llorean | Decide if you want to use Rockbox or not. |
| 02:31:18 | MMDE | which I bet some people here do |
| 02:31:46 | Llorean | You asked why you should use Rockbox. |
| 02:31:52 | MMDE | indeed |
| 02:31:58 | Llorean | There's a feature list. |
| 02:32:09 | MMDE | but to know that, I need to know the original software's features as well |
| 02:32:15 | Llorean | Are you seriously telling me "how much more it does" is more important than "the total number of things it does"? |
| 02:33:29 | MMDE | If the original software does the same as what I need it for and maybe more, why would I use Rockbox? |
| 02:33:49 | saratoga | MMDE: please keep this on topic, if you just want to chat check out rockbox-community |
| 02:33:54 | Llorean | Ah, but you can read about what Rockbox does and say "that sounds good." Then if you get the player, and find out the original software is *more* for whatever reason, you don't have to install |
| 02:34:02 | Llorean | None of that requires knowing what the original software does in advance. |
| 02:34:23 | Llorean | The only situation that requires knowing the original is if Rockbox doesn't do enough. And if that's the case, you don't need to be here ayway. |
| 02:34:47 | MMDE | *more* is not what I'm looking for, it's about deciding which player I want, and if Rockbox still has anything to actually to offer me |
| 02:34:53 | MMDE | and I know I can read the feature page |
| 02:35:04 | MMDE | but I don't know the original models software that well |
| 02:35:12 | MMDE | to make a good comparision in any way |
| 02:35:13 | saratoga | well this isn't the right place to ask about that |
| 02:35:31 | MMDE | well, where would you say it is then? |
| 02:35:45 | saratoga | if you just want to chat check out rockbox-community |
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| 02:36:03 | MMDE | I don |
| 02:36:09 | MMDE | 't just want to chat |
| 02:36:30 | MMDE | k, thanks for being very constructive and not wasting my time... |
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| 03:06:57 | milk | arghs, wondering if anyone could advise - trying to install rockbox (on ubuntu) but the installer says it has finished downloading the .zip but then hangs. |
| 03:07:22 | milk | should it go straight on from there? |
| 03:10:55 | saratoga | you could just download the zip and extract it to your player directly |
| 03:11:53 | robin0800 | milk, no it doesn't |
| 03:13:09 | mc2739 | /sb search milk |
| 03:14:43 | milk | saratoga; aah, right. does that put the bootloader on also? |
| 03:14:53 | saratoga | no |
| 03:17:06 | saratoga | usually installing a bootloader involves patching something or another |
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| 04:50:43 | milk | is it me, or can one not download theme zips directly on the website? |
| 04:51:03 | milk | can't see a dl link anywhere |
| 04:51:36 | saratoga | iirc you click on the picture or something like that? |
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| 05:02:42 | milk | *facepalm* |
| 05:02:45 | milk | thanks :) |
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| 07:57:46 | bluebrother | [Saint]: sorry, shortened the URL wrongly :o |
| 07:58:06 | bluebrother | anyway, user data down to 68k. Quite nice IMO :) |
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| 08:05:34 | JdGordon | indeed |
| 08:06:47 | JdGordon | it still uses 10MB or so for the apk storage though doesnt it? |
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| 09:14:12 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Give or take a MB or so, yeah. |
| 09:14:34 | [Saint] | Doesn't really matter when ~80% of that is on the sdcard |
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| 09:54:14 | bluebrother | JdGord: it does. Though the codecs take up quite a bit |
| 09:54:51 | bluebrother | I'm wondering if we could link libcodec dynamocally to the codecs. |
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| 10:00:37 | JdGord | Would that have any beneift? |
| 10:00:57 | JdGord | Its not really big |
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| 10:03:18 | bluebrother | it's linked to every codec, so that adds up |
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| 10:27:04 | glitch_ | hello. i have rockboxed ipod classic 7g. when i connect it to linux machine, everything works normal but when i connect it to the windows 7 (x64) machine the disk is not readable. flashing was done using windows 7 machine. any idea what could be wrong? |
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| 11:10:28 | glitch_ | solution found! |
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| 11:14:24 | glitch_ | uninstall ipod driver under device manager > disk drives > apple ipod classic usb device, then reboot windows and after reboot when ipod connected it will autoinstall correct driver |
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| 11:43:14 | amiconn | bluebrother: Only those codeclib parts which are actually needed by a codec are linked to it. This is why we're using -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections. |
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| 12:34:21 | CIA-14 | New commit by nls (r30438): midi: make the patch sample data pointer a *int16_t to get rid of some ugly casting and drop an acessor macro to make caching the pointer in the ... |
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| 12:36:39 | CIA-14 | r30438 build result: All green |
| 12:37:09 | n1s | hmm, i do hear the aliasing or ringing in some midi tracks now that i probably never tested before :/ |
| 12:38:00 | n1s | i think preglow at some point said it was the linear interpolation done between samples, and i guess that makes little sense to do at 22.05kHz anyway |
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| 13:06:08 | GodEater_ | ok - who broke dbtool? :) |
| 13:07:45 | n1s | i thought it was supposed to be built by the build system by now? |
| 13:08:24 | n1s | uh, how do you even build it? |
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| 13:12:03 | gevaerts | n1s: by selecting it in configure |
| 13:12:50 | * | n1s must be blind then |
| 13:13:32 | gevaerts | Are you selecting a target first? |
| 13:14:20 | n1s | i did but i just didn't see it there i guess since the line wraps |
| 13:14:37 | n1s | why is it per-target anyway? |
| 13:15:28 | n1s | ah, it's probably because i thought it would be under advanced |
| 13:15:55 | gevaerts | Because (a) it's a lot easier to do it that way, and (b) not all targets support the same file formats. (b) is of course the official reason |
| 13:16:08 | n1s | GodEater_: it builds fine here |
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| 13:16:39 | gevaerts | n1s: it builds, yes, but the report on the ML says it doesn't *work* |
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| 13:17:14 | n1s | if it ever turns into a program people use it should be able to switch target/features at runtime |
| 13:21:20 | n1s | i would guess the buflib is a candidate for breaking it |
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| 13:34:52 | JdGordon | [Saint]: piiiiing |
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| 13:35:46 | n1s | an obvious improvement could be to allow the user to specify the patch from which to build the db :) |
| 13:36:17 | n1s | and perhaps print something |
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| 14:11:14 | gbl08ma | Hello everybody. Am I blind, or the Rockbox manual doesn't explain the "car adapter mode" setting? |
| 14:12:03 | JdGordon | maybe |
| 14:12:24 | JdGordon | its very hard to tell over irc if someone else is blind |
| 14:12:37 | JdGordon | its sort of like sarcasm detection |
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| 14:16:41 | Zagor | gbl08ma: it's section 8.5.6 |
| 14:16:52 | Zagor | which manual are you looking at? |
| 14:17:45 | Zagor | ah, the section numbers are slightly different for different models. still, it's in section 8.5 "System settings" |
| 14:19:18 | linuxstb | gbl08ma: Also, not all players have that feature. (or maybe it's mistakenly missing from your manual) - what player do you have? |
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| 14:21:46 | gbl08ma | i have the nano2g and I'm seeing the respective manual, daily built, online version |
| 14:22:00 | gbl08ma | the nano2g has that feature, at least it shows in the menu |
| 14:22:25 | gbl08ma | On General Settings -> System |
| 14:23:05 | gbl08ma | on the nano2g manual, section 8.5.6 is "Accessory Power Supply" |
| 14:23:29 | * | JdGordon thinks about "System" > "general settings" > "system" and laughs that noone thought of that as an excuse to not go that route |
| 14:24:46 | linuxstb | Then it's probably just missing from that manual by mistake. Try looking at the ipod video manual instead. |
| 14:25:18 | gbl08ma | the ipod video manual has it |
| 14:25:37 | gbl08ma | thanks! still I think the bug should be fixed |
| 14:25:39 | Zagor | is it a bug in the manual(s) or the code? does car adapter mode work on the nano? |
| 14:26:06 | Zagor | none of the ipod manuals have it, except the video |
| 14:26:38 | JdGordon | probably the manual isnt picking up the #define |
| 14:27:41 | JdGordon | it should be on the "charging" TeX define |
| 14:27:46 | JdGordon | or however that works |
| 14:31:57 | n1s | not all targets with charging has working car adapter mode though |
| 14:32:20 | n1s | on h300 for example the bootloader prevents it from working |
| 14:32:30 | n1s | or working well at least |
| 14:33:16 | n1s | hmm, it appears to have the setting still so ignore me i guess :) |
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| 14:33:52 | Zagor | I'd call that a bug. if it doesn't work, it shouldn't have the setting. |
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| 14:34:36 | n1s | it works it's just that the bootloader starts the OF if the charger is connected at boot so the car adapter use case is broken but the setting probably works fine... |
| 14:35:09 | wodz | ha, I finally rebase my work regarding rk27xx. Be prepared for commits flood |
| 14:35:22 | wodz | s/rebase/rebased/ |
| 14:36:07 | Zagor | n1s: I don't call that "works" |
| 14:36:31 | Zagor | the feature is to automatically start rockbox on power-on. if that doesn't work, the feature is broken and should be disabled. |
| 14:36:47 | wodz | If I count correctly this will be 22 commits |
| 14:37:11 | n1s | Zagor: yeah in a way i agree |
| 14:37:58 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30439): Implement driver for internal codec in rk27xx (shCODlp-100.01-HD IP core from Dolphin) |
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| 14:38:06 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30440): rk27xx - implement dbg_hw_info() and dbg_ports() |
| 14:38:09 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30441): rk27xx - implement driver for usb controller in rk27xx. This does not quite work now because of the way how controller and our usb stack are ... |
| 14:38:15 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30442): rk27xx - nand stub |
| 14:38:19 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30443): rk27xx - basic power management related functions |
| 14:38:24 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30444): rk27xx - implement pcm driver. |
| 14:38:31 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30445): rk27xx - app linker script |
| 14:38:36 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30446): rk27xx - implement basic keymap for reference design |
| 14:38:39 | n1s | anyway the manual doesn't use one of the "features" but rather a manual opt for this so it will not automatically be picked up for new targets |
| 14:38:42 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30447): rk27xx - tweak a bit sd driver and add some debuging code |
| 14:38:49 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30448): add lcd_blit_yuv() stub to the rk27xx lcd driver |
| 14:38:54 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30449): remove references to ipod nano 2g rom ata-nand-rk27xx.c |
| 14:39:00 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30450): rk27xx adc - fix function name |
| 14:39:08 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30451): rk27xx - implement cache handling functions |
| 14:39:14 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30452): rk27xx - disable core_sleep() as it simply hangs when cache is enabled for unknown reason. |
| 14:39:20 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30453): rk27xx - arm7ej-s doesn't have MMU/MPU (just like arm7tdmi) |
| 14:39:25 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30454): rk27xx - adjust core files for rk27xx internal codec |
| 14:39:29 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30455): rk27xx - update config files |
| 14:39:32 | JdGordon | thats what git squish is for :) |
| 14:39:33 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30456): rk27xx - enable cache |
| 14:39:38 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30457): rk27xx - update firmware/SOURCES |
| 14:39:42 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30458): rk27xx - enable debug screen |
| 14:39:48 | wodz | JdGordon: this changes are orhogonal |
| 14:39:51 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30459): rk27xx - enable a few test plugins |
| 14:40:00 | CIA-14 | New commit by wodz (r30460): rk27load - fix indentation |
| 14:40:00 | wodz | *orthogonal |
| 14:40:05 | JdGordon | commit count whore :) |
| 14:40:49 | CIA-14 | r30439 build result: All green |
| 14:41:05 | wodz | I just was for too long without proper net access :-) |
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| 14:43:01 | ukleinek | wodz: wow |
| 14:43:14 | wodz | now this commits mean that one can upload rockbox binary to the rk27xx by means of recovery mode, run playback (a bit choppy now), run plugins (I cared to prepare a few test_*) |
| 14:43:20 | ukleinek | wodz: I saw your mail, didn't yet have the time to look into yet |
| 14:43:32 | Zagor | wodz: nice! |
| 14:43:48 | CIA-14 | r30459 build result: All green |
| 14:44:42 | wodz | ukleinek: anyway your nand dump looks pretty standard |
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| 14:53:29 | pamaury | wodz: you shouldn't have waited so long ! |
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| 14:54:59 | wodz | pamaury: you motivated me with your latest commits :-) |
| 14:56:08 | pamaury | And now they don't appear anymore on the first page :( I'll have to commit even more :) |
| 14:56:48 | wodz | go for pcm driver NOW! |
| 14:57:56 | pamaury | that's my plan, but now *right* now |
| 14:58:01 | pamaury | *not |
| 14:58:34 | pamaury | I still need to fully understand the audio architecture of the imx233, it's a bit complicated |
| 14:59:34 | wodz | usually this is simply a matter of setting up i2s interface, codec and hw driven dma |
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| 15:00:06 | pamaury | everything is in the chip |
| 15:00:32 | wodz | that doesn't matter - in rk27xx everything is in chip also |
| 15:00:41 | pamaury | however it's a bit weird because there are some interaction between the recording and playback part (they share some hardware) |
| 15:01:14 | wodz | ? |
| 15:02:04 | wodz | digital interface should be shared but nothing else I guess |
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| 15:03:03 | pamaury | well the manual say they share some hardware (and hardware settings) as well as the dma interface. So some output setting might change some input one. It's not extremely clear and there is the errata too, so I juste need to read it carefully |
| 15:06:33 | pamaury | (and don't forget that everything has to be complicated with the imx233 ;)) |
| 15:13:35 | wodz | Now I have to understand why playback is so choppy. Looping sine wave samples in bootloader works as expected so dma/i2s handling is correct. |
| 15:14:40 | pamaury | nice, the audio part has a bit and the doc says "Never set DAC_ZERO_ENABLE!" |
| 15:15:20 | wodz | lovely - don't set this or your ears will blow up :-) |
| 15:16:14 | pamaury | I think this bit will immediately disable audio output but the manual describes the right way of doing it |
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| 15:49:43 | CIA-14 | New commit by jdgordon (r30461): Lists can now be completly draw using the skin engine! ... |
| 15:50:26 | JdGordon | that should make the android lists a bit nicer to use |
| 15:50:58 | CIA-14 | r30461 build result: 4015 errors, 1536 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
| 15:51:24 | JdGordon | haha woopsies? |
| 15:51:58 | Zagor | yay |
| 15:52:02 | JdGordon | des git svn not handle adding files? |
| 15:52:03 | pamaury | yay!!!!!! |
| 15:53:42 | JdGordon | take 2 |
| 15:53:47 | CIA-14 | New commit by jdgordon (r30462): Add the new file and fix the compile error |
| 15:53:57 | JdGordon | hopefully this lets the actual commit stay on the main page for long enough for ppl to see :p |
| 15:55:51 | gevaerts | JdGordon: can we show AA in the playlist viewer now? ;) |
| 15:56:21 | JdGordon | which one? |
| 15:56:30 | gevaerts | Any of them! |
| 15:56:38 | JdGordon | you always could |
| 15:56:39 | CIA-14 | r30462 build result: 488 errors, 3 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
| 15:56:44 | JdGordon | grrrr |
| 15:57:07 | * | gevaerts should spend some time on updating his wps to use some of the fancy new features |
| 15:58:20 | CIA-14 | New commit by jdgordon (r30463): fix checkwps |
| 15:59:09 | * | gevaerts especially likes "if the last param is 'tile' it will form a grid instead of a list" although he isn't entirely sure how usable that will be on a non-touchscreen target |
| 15:59:28 | JdGordon | its fuckig wierd on the e200 sim :) |
| 15:59:52 | JdGordon | for some reason e200 is my standard sim though i havnt used the real e20 in over a year :) |
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| 16:01:08 | CIA-14 | r30463 build result: 221 errors, 2 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
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| 16:02:57 | gevaerts | So if I understand this right, with some creative use of %if(), %LT, %cs, and %xl/%xd (and provided you're always using the same language) it should be possible to make one of those non-list one-option-per-screen UIs (with large images) like on the c200 or the clip OF? |
| 16:03:26 | gevaerts | I'll run out of RAM of course |
| 16:04:14 | gevaerts | hrm |
| 16:04:45 | JdGordon | easily, yes |
| 16:05:08 | gevaerts | JdGordon: is there a way to get the current directory when drawing the list in the file browser? |
| 16:05:18 | JdGordon | Once I get really drunk I'll look into using buflib for the skin buffer to make it more flexible |
| 16:05:49 | JdGordon | gevaerts: err... there *can* be easily if there isnt already |
| 16:05:52 | gevaerts | If there is, combining that with %LT and appending "cover.bmp", you'd have integrated album art in the file browser |
| 16:06:04 | JdGordon | doesnt work like that |
| 16:06:13 | gevaerts | Pity :) |
| 16:06:26 | JdGordon | temping though |
| 16:06:30 | JdGordon | seriously temping |
| 16:06:35 | gevaerts | No worries, it would be *horrible* for RAM usage |
| 16:06:39 | JdGordon | file a bug for that |
| 16:06:46 | JdGordon | no, load on the fly |
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| 16:07:04 | JdGordon | noone sane would actually use it thugh |
| 16:07:28 | CIA-14 | New commit by jdgordon (r30464): fix the last of the error |
| 16:07:37 | gevaerts | I suspect we'll end up wanting more tags eventually |
| 16:07:54 | JdGordon | tags are pretty cheap |
| 16:08:02 | JdGordon | especially if they dont need to be parsed manually |
| 16:08:04 | gevaerts | If you use this for e.g. database lists, you probably want to get file tags from the database |
| 16:08:21 | gevaerts | Not sure how that would work though |
| 16:08:55 | JdGordon | the wps playlist viewer already supports getting tags from the db if it is in ram |
| 16:09:43 | JdGordon | current limitation of this skinned lists is it doesnt work with lists which want multi line selectors |
| 16:10:15 | CIA-14 | r30464 build result: All green |
| 16:11:08 | gevaerts | I'll try to play around with what's there now tonight. Thinking of more stuff to want is easy, but this commit should already add a lot of new possibilities |
| 16:11:56 | JdGordon | woo :) |
| 16:12:13 | JdGordon | part of why i commited now was because I;ve given up on waiting for user feedback |
| 16:12:27 | JdGordon | I'm happy to change the tags if you feel they suck |
| 16:13:10 | gevaerts | No, at first sight they look reasonable. It's just that I want *more* :) |
| 16:13:28 | JdGordon | The other annoyance is the scrollbar tag doesnt quite work brilliantly :/ |
| 16:13:40 | JdGordon | it should be ok with a slider bitmap thouh |
| 16:13:51 | gevaerts | Things like the English version of the current text if it comes from apps/lang :) |
| 16:14:31 | * | gevaerts suspects that that's probably not easy to get at |
| 16:14:39 | JdGordon | why would you want that? |
| 16:15:13 | gevaerts | Is there a better way than looking at text to select an image to show depending on the active menu item? |
| 16:16:29 | gevaerts | I'm thinking of this one-item-per-screen UI thing, where you e.g. want to show a giant microphone if you're on the "recording" item |
| 16:16:40 | JdGordon | use %?LI<> which will give you the icon number |
| 16:16:50 | gevaerts | Oh, right! |
| 16:17:19 | gevaerts | Yes, that should work for at least the main cases |
| 16:17:39 | * | gevaerts wants to know why he missed that |
| 16:17:41 | * | JdGordon also wanted to add a second viewport label to use for the current selection which doesnt have to be the same size as the others, but not sure how to make that work so didnt |
| 16:18:20 | gevaerts | Actually you want different sizes depending on how far you are from the current selection! |
| 16:18:26 | gevaerts | (and warping) |
| 16:18:39 | JdGordon | that may not be feasible :) |
| 16:19:17 | JdGordon | have you got a large enough font to make the c200 menu OF style? |
| 16:19:32 | gevaerts | I told you thinking of more stuff to want is easy :) |
| 16:20:04 | JdGordon | yes, but the danger is that I go and implement it! |
| 16:20:04 | gevaerts | I think so. I'd say such UIs don't need huge text, just huge images |
| 16:20:42 | JdGordon | further next steps include makeing the menus be able to display the setting values inline |
| 16:24:08 | JdGordon | why is the zen deltas so huge? |
| 16:24:16 | JdGordon | crossed a memory boundary or something? |
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| 16:27:08 | gevaerts | Probably |
| 16:30:47 | gevaerts | JdGordon: how is image loading done? I assume %xl()-ing lots of large images may be a bad idea, but I don't know if the alternatives are better. If I %x() the image I need if %Lc is true, will that save RAM? |
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| 16:40:09 | gbl08ma | Is there any problem on adding rockbox.org as one of the predefined websites on the speeddial of a Linux distro remastering I'm doing? |
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| 16:41:00 | Torne | OK, i've just sent a mail to -dev explaining where we are with git and what the next steps are |
| 16:41:11 | Torne | If you have comments on this I politely request that you make them as soon as possible |
| 16:41:28 | Torne | as i am intending to press on with those next steps pretty soon if i can :) |
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| 16:46:42 | GodEater_ | cool - thanks torne |
| 16:46:50 | Torne | yeah, sorry it's been this long |
| 16:46:54 | Torne | i have been crazy busy with stuff |
| 16:47:08 | Torne | the solution is to work on it while at work :) |
| 16:47:33 | Torne | i ignored it while the swedes were on holiday and then didn't have time to do much about it when they got back |
| 16:49:34 | GodEater_ | "Switch to git, all those in favour?" seemed like such an easy thing at devcon. :) |
| 16:49:48 | GodEater_ | the real workis always more involved than you imagine |
| 16:51:55 | Torne | heh |
| 16:52:36 | JdGordon | gevaerts: all skin images are loaded at parse time so no difference on the tag used |
| 16:52:49 | gevaerts | ok |
| 16:53:11 | gevaerts | This will *hurt* battery runtime :) |
| 16:53:28 | JdGordon | changing the skins to use buflib is high on my todo lib |
| 16:53:36 | JdGordon | at least for loading big things like images |
| 16:56:55 | [Saint] | what the!?! |
| 16:57:00 | [Saint] | gevaerts skinning? |
| 16:57:07 | * | [Saint] falls down dead from shock. |
| 16:57:45 | [Saint] | Its not drupal, or a crazy .wps to prove bars could go backward long before they really could again...is it? ;) |
| 16:59:14 | gevaerts | [Saint]: I'll have you know that my theme was one of the very first ones to have AA in the .sbs |
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| 16:59:45 | [Saint] | gevaerts: One thing I do know, is that where possible using bitmapstrips as opposed to %xl'ing individual images speeds up loading by an order of magnitude, I'm not sure how much effect %x'ing when needed as opposed to %xl'ing and %xd'ing when needed has, though. |
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| 17:00:39 | * | [Saint] hopes gevaerts parses that. |
| 17:00:40 | | Part Zagor |
| 17:00:47 | [Saint] | It *seems* readable, to me. |
| 17:00:56 | gevaerts | %x vs %xl/%xd shouldn't make much of a difference in loading speed I expect |
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| 17:02:05 | gevaerts | [Saint]: I challenge you to try %T() in these list viewports :) |
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| 17:05:55 | [Saint] | No, I don't believe so...%xl(foo,0,0), %xl(bar,0,0), %xl(baz,0,0) %?Xx<%xd(foo)|%xd(bar)|%xd(baz)>, as opposed to %xl(foobarbaz,0,0,3) %?Xx<%xd(foobarbaza)|%xd(foobarbazb)|%xd(foobarbazc)> does make a difference in loading. |
| 17:06:17 | [Saint] | not a particularly good syntax example, but...uyeah, I hope you know what I'm getting at :D |
| 17:06:35 | * | [Saint] strussles to remember what %T is |
| 17:07:16 | [Saint] | strussles? |
| 17:07:22 | [Saint] | *ahem* "struggles". |
| 17:07:32 | ukleinek | Torne: what about providing an openid service on rockbox.org? |
| 17:08:24 | [Saint] | gevaerts: What are you playing with, btw? |
| 17:08:31 | [Saint] | syntax updating for drupal? |
| 17:08:51 | * | [Saint] is in a nosey mood. |
| 17:09:22 | Torne | ukleinek: that kinda defeats the point somewhat |
| 17:09:39 | Torne | the point of openid is that you use something you alrady have an account with and are already logged into |
| 17:09:49 | Torne | to avoid the proliferation of accounts and the associated security issues :) |
| 17:10:59 | ukleinek | Torne: provided you already have an openid account and you don't care about Google and friends who then will be able to learn more about you |
| 17:11:21 | Torne | ukleinek: you can use any provider you like, including a server of your own |
| 17:11:34 | * | ukleinek shrugs |
| 17:11:51 | Torne | and the only info the provider gets is that you logged into gerrit there once :) |
| 17:12:05 | Torne | anyway, yeah. |
| 17:12:17 | Torne | If we don't use something like this, then the alternative is to have yet another account system somehow |
| 17:12:29 | Torne | and part of the point of this is that non-committers should be able to have accounts |
| 17:12:51 | GodEater_ | which would mean an order of magnitude more accounts than we currnently have to deal with |
| 17:12:55 | Torne | our current svn account list would work to authorise committers, but it's managed manually and i dobut we want to do that for any random person on the internet who feels like uploading a patch |
| 17:13:08 | GodEater_ | hell to the no |
| 17:13:14 | Torne | so yeah. the options gerrit supports are openid, ldap or having the webserver do it via http auth |
| 17:13:31 | GodEater_ | openid ftw |
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| 17:16:15 | Torne | yeah, i am waiting to be able to use openid to log into *everywhere* :) |
| 17:16:19 | Torne | that would save me a lot of trouble |
| 17:27:46 | ukleinek | pamaury: not sure if that helps you, but there is http://mid.gmane.org/1314015630-25022-1-git-send-email-b29396@freescale.com |
| 17:31:31 | pamaury | no, the fuze+ doesn't use saif |
| 17:35:22 | * | ukleinek shrugs again |
| 17:39:33 | [Saint] | bluebrother: Ping? |
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| 17:40:44 | [Saint] | gevaerts: re: %T in viewports...been there, done that. |
| 17:41:15 | [Saint] | I made a dummy theme when this first came out that completely reimplemented a touchscreen main menu with user viewports. |
| 17:41:52 | [Saint] | the skinned lists make it possible for the skins to completely draw the menus now, to an ordering of the theme authors choice. |
| 17:42:12 | [Saint] | ie. "its now possible for a theme to completely re-shape the main menu" |
| 17:42:32 | [Saint] | Lots and lots and lots of LOC, though. |
| 17:42:50 | [Saint] | (if you wanted to re-do the *entire* menu system this way. |
| 17:42:51 | [Saint] | ) |
| 17:43:47 | [Saint] | The only downside is, no scrolling (AFAIK), but I used botmaps for all the main menu entries anyway...so. |
| 17:44:05 | [Saint] | bitmaps too. |
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| 18:41:08 | bluebrother | [Saint]: pong |
| 18:42:16 | [Saint] | bluebrother: So, if I'm doing a "clean" installation of RaaA...is it sufficient to play a dummy rockbox-info.txt in /sdcard/rockbox/ ? |
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| 18:46:49 | bluebrother | yes. |
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| 18:48:27 | [Saint] | s/play/place/ |
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| 18:53:19 | EvanCarroll | is the dynamic resize lcd patch dead? |
| 18:54:23 | EvanCarroll | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11615 |
| 18:55:54 | CIA-14 | New commit by bertrik (r30465): sansa clipzip: fix lcd init delay (remove lcd_delay and replace it with a sleep) |
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| 19:03:30 | wodz | bertrik: yes, there is. You need to set plugins="" in configure |
| 19:04:22 | wodz | I mean in section related to the desired target |
| 19:06:57 | bertrik | hm, ok, I set it to "no" but I somehow still get plugin warnings |
| 19:08:35 | wodz | "no" will not work :-) |
| 19:08:58 | wodz | and you will get warnings about missing keymaps anyway during dep check |
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| 19:26:19 | pamaury | arg, I hate the fuze+ power button, you need to press it 10sec to power off, but if you press it 10sec+epsilon, it will reboot ! |
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| 20:16:30 | bluebrother | [Saint]: did you try the aa-in-notification-area build yet? I'm wondering if it makes sense on a low-res display |
| 20:17:17 | [Saint] | Yeah, it looks OK. |
| 20:17:35 | [Saint] | Google Music beta uses similarly tiny AA in their notification bar. |
| 20:17:50 | bluebrother | ok. Never tried Google Music ;-) |
| 20:18:02 | [Saint] | its enough to know what's playing at a glance if you recognise the album cover. |
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| 20:23:11 | bluebrother | ok. Now I need to find some time to figure what's the problem with current svn. And probably post it to FS :) |
| 20:23:24 | [Saint] | Cool. |
| 20:23:35 | [Saint] | Ask JdGordon or kugel re: bufflib. |
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| 20:42:56 | [Saint] | bluebrother: You think you'd be able to commit a ".nomedia" file for /sdcard/rockbox/ for RaaAoA builds? |
| 20:44:14 | [Saint] | having theme bitmaps (and JhsMikes reckons the core will eventually (or can presently?) handle triggering sound effects) in the gallery is bound to piss more people off than just me. |
| 20:45:24 | [Saint] | I know how to fix it (with a ".nomedia" file), but "Average Joe" probably doesn't. |
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| 21:01:07 | Llorean | Not to mention, on from-the-store handset, you're typically going to need to install an additional app of some sort just to create the .nomedia file or hook it up to a PC. |
| 21:13:17 | * | [Saint] nods. |
| 21:13:33 | [Saint] | *most* vendor ROMs don't have a file explorer. |
| 21:13:40 | Llorean | I definitely think a .nomedia in .rockbox is fine. |
| 21:13:54 | [Saint] | s/.rockbox/rockbox/ |
| 21:14:00 | Llorean | Even if you have a file explorer, you find yourself searching for an included folder that already has .nomedia, unless yours includes a "touch" or equivalent. |
| 21:14:03 | [Saint] | </padantic> |
| 21:14:11 | [Saint] | *pedantic even |
| 21:14:12 | Llorean | It's not .rockbox on Android? |
| 21:14:15 | [Saint] | Nope. |
| 21:14:20 | Llorean | Why not? |
| 21:14:33 | [Saint] | <some_reason> |
| 21:14:36 | Llorean | I'd heard . folders don't show up in media scans anyway, and just assumed maybe I'd heard incorrect if it was a problem. |
| 21:14:50 | Llorean | So that might solve it too. It's not like people have any more reason to dig in it in Android than on other devices. |
| 21:16:13 | [Saint] | On one hand...installing RaaA kinda fixes the "no file explorer" thing. |
| 21:16:33 | Llorean | Ah, I guess this is true. Heh. |
| 21:16:39 | [Saint] | But, there's no text editor, so, its irrelevant. |
| 21:17:24 | [Saint] | long story short...."a .nomedia" file in /sdcard/rockbox/ would be great. |
| 21:17:27 | [Saint] | " |
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| 22:13:21 | saratoga | someone ban rockson from the forums |
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| 22:22:48 | kugel | [Saint]: you can create .nomedia within rockbox. no need for text editor |
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| 22:38:41 | mrkiko | the web server, probably apache, answering at http://www.rockbox.org is vulnerable to the latest discovered debianl of service against apache, the one based on misuse of the HTTP range header |
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| 22:39:15 | mrkiko | Hoping someone can take care of upgrading the server. |
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| 22:48:00 | n1s | that would be Zagor i think |
| 22:49:17 | ukleinek | mrkiko: how do you know it's vulnerable? |
| 22:49:36 | Bagder | it would also be nice not to broadcast to the world about possible security problems on public sites |
| 22:50:03 | mrkiko | ukleinek: I siply tried |
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| 22:50:29 | ukleinek | mrkiko: for me the website still works |
| 22:50:45 | Bagder | right, but he tried the range header and checked the response I guess |
| 22:50:54 | mrkiko | ukleinek: and I was able to get the server to close connections and stop responding for short periods... but my intention wasn't to disturb, so I stopped the script |
| 22:51:20 | mrkiko | Bagder: you're right |
| 22:51:47 | mrkiko | Bagder: but i then tried with a script since some servers aren't really vulnerable even if they reply with what you expect |
| 22:52:07 | Bagder | you mean you couldn't make them crash? |
| 22:52:11 | Bagder | that's not really the same thing |
| 22:52:24 | Bagder | the attack is about wasting resources |
| 22:52:38 | Bagder | which you will do if the response is like it used to do |
| 22:52:52 | Bagder | even if many sites will survive it |
| 22:53:02 | mrkiko | Bagder: and you're right, it would have been better to write a private email or message someone... |
| 22:53:47 | mrkiko | Bagder: no ... sorry for my english .i meant I won't create any problems to anyone :D |
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| 22:55:27 | mrkiko | ok guys |
| 22:55:30 | mrkiko | time for me to go bed :D |
| 22:55:39 | mrkiko | good day / night! |
| 22:58:27 | mrkiko | :D byeeee |
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| 23:13:49 | fredreichbier | hi there! i want to buy a new mp3 player with rockbox support. i waaanted to buy a sansa fuze (because i had one some time ago), but it's very hard to buy it because of the fuze+. can anyone recommend a current mp3 player? |
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| 23:26:37 | Strife89 | fredreichbier: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide may help a little. |
| 23:28:47 | fredreichbier | Strife89, ah, thank you! sadly they're all out of production. :D |
| 23:29:10 | Strife89 | All but the Fuze v2. :) |
| 23:31:05 | fredreichbier | it seems to be very hard to get it, though :/ the fuze+ is cheaper than the fuze v2 |
| 23:31:31 | pamaury | then get the fuze+ and hope that the port will be ready soon :) |
| 23:32:11 | Strife89 | The chart probably needs to be updated anyway. Among other things, it's missing a few Stable targets. |
| 23:32:24 | Strife89 | (The Clip+, for instance.) |
| 23:32:53 | fredreichbier | pamaury, i would, but i read that the fuze+ is not as good as the fuze v2 ;) seems to have a very slow touchscreen |
| 23:33:40 | pamaury | the touchscreen is slow because of the software. I'm doing the fuze+ port and you can tweak the touchpad to get better response time I think |
| 23:34:02 | pamaury | but I agree it's not perfec |
| 23:34:03 | pamaury | t |
| 23:34:33 | pamaury | but the screen is nice :-) |
| 23:35:05 | fredreichbier | ah, you're doing it! cool! |
| 23:35:09 | fredreichbier | so you would recommend it? |
| 23:36:24 | pamaury | Honestly I don't know. I would not recommend the OF for sure, I used it a bit and it's not really good except it you only have mp3 files. Of course I will recommend rockbox on it when it's ready but I'm a little bit unfaire :) |
| 23:36:27 | pamaury | *unfair |
| 23:37:02 | pamaury | It pretty much depend on your need, one drawback is its size I think |
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| 23:39:56 | fredreichbier | ah yeah, it's bigger than the fuze v2, isn't it? |
| 23:41:06 | pamaury | I don't have a fuzev2 but iirc yes it's quite bigger. It shouldn't be too hard to find a photo of both on google |
| 23:41:45 | pamaury | see http://anythingbutipod.com/2011/05/sandisk-sansa-fuze-review-2/ for example |
| 23:42:00 | fredreichbier | mhm oh yeah |
| 23:42:29 | fredreichbier | well, i had a fuze v2 some time ago when i didn't know rockbox, and i was really happy without until i ran into a table and broke its display :P |
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