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04:19:09natedevhey does anyone know what kind of headphone jack the Sansa Clip+ has? I have headphones with a button on them and I'm wondering if I can change the audio driver to detect it
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04:23:33JdGordonthe standard 3.25" barrel
04:26:00natedevhow many points of contact though? 2 or 3?
04:27:01JdGordonpretty sure only two, should be plenty of photos on the wiki
04:30:10TorneI have never seen an mp3 player/phone/etc that had any way of connecting a remote which didn't already come with a remote or have it as a prominently available first party accessory
04:30:32Torneso yeah, generally you can safely assume that if it doesn't have one already you can't add one
04:30:55natedevI didn't really see any, I have the device, I just can't tell from outside the jack how many points of contact
04:31:33natedevthat's true, I'm pretty sure it's not possible but it's worth a shot
04:35:40natedevJust one last question, can someone point me to the driver responsible for headphone jack detection
04:40:40natedevnvm took me a bit, but I found it :)
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08:51:49CIA-14New commit by jdgordon (r30551): skin-touchscreen: make %T(..., setting_set, ...) apply sound settings
08:54:14CIA-14r30551 build result: All green
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09:54:12JdGordonanyone mind if we drop the rockpaint and text viewer plugins? :)
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09:59:10n1sJdGordon: i'm sure someone will, any particular reason for it?
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10:02:13JdGordonthey d naughty things like loading a font!
10:02:50JdGordon(not a serious suggestion as the :) might have shown)
10:03:20n1si can't imagine anyone would use rockpaint but the text viewer could perhaps be useful
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10:31:41CIA-14New commit by nls (r30552): codeclib: more cf asm for the mdct, saves ~0.7MHz decoding vorbis on h300.
10:33:45CIA-14r30552 build result: All green
10:33:48n1sdecoding 128kbps vorbis is now only about 5% slower than mp3 on cf :)
10:34:38n1shigh bitrate is still quite a bit worse though
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11:32:41kugelJdGordon: no segfautl here
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11:33:53JdGordonkugel: which target?
11:34:04kugele200 sim
11:34:26JdGordonstart playback, load cabbiev2.cfg?
11:35:00kugelit starts from the beginning yes, no segfault
11:36:34kugelah now, with empty config.cfg
11:38:36JdGordonthe revision which he says broke it doesnt make sense to have
11:39:27JdGordonand my guess is that fs#12278 is the same bug
11:39:27fs-bluebot .cfg file handling (bugs, unconfirmed)
11:41:03kugelthat one is also strange
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11:42:40kugeldoes qs_write_to_cfg() doesn't handle empty qs items does it=
11:43:41JdGordonwhere did that come from?
11:43:52JdGordonand no, it will crash there, but that shouldnt be possible
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11:43:59JdGordonthats a very random question :)
11:44:05kugelwell, *setting == .1
11:44:33kugelsetting code calls qs_write_to_cfg for all four items
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11:46:40JdGordonhmm, true, but how did this not get hit months ago?
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11:48:18kugelbecause the defauts aren't written by the standard dump
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11:48:41JdGordonok, so two totally different bugs
11:48:46kugeldefaults are only explicitely in the .cfg when created through manage settings
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11:49:46JdGordonok, I'll fix this now
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11:50:45desertdoodI am unclear after reading the website ... I have a late 2006 5th gen ipod ... rockbox will be alright on that?
11:51:03JdGordonif it is indeed 5th gen
11:51:05JdGordonor 5.5
11:51:40desertdoodquestion #2 it's a 30gb ipod used from my brother .... his old one
11:52:03desertdoodit most certainly is 5th generation, even double checked it on the apple site
11:52:04kugelI assume you need some "none"/"empty" value as NULL doesn't go well into config.cfg
11:52:22JdGordonI'm using -
11:52:39desertdoodoh yeah so question #2 I am on the linux side of my hd ... can i just install it from within linux?
11:52:55desertdoodlinux mint 11 "katya"
11:53:09JdGordonjust gotta make sure - will work for defaults :p
11:53:57Bagderdesertdood: yes!
11:54:16desertdoodBadger thank you
11:54:22desertdoodJdGordon: thanks to you too
11:54:37desertdooddive dive dive .... I'm going in :)
11:54:50desertdoodI'm not afraid to ruin it either .... it was a gift and its old
11:55:27Bagderdesertdood: installing rockbox is a safe procedure on those devices
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11:58:29CIA-14New commit by jdgordon (r30553): Fix FS #12278 - saving a full .cfg file would crash
12:00:21CIA-14r30553 build result: All green
12:00:53JdGordonkugel: ok, so with an empty config.cfg you managed to reproduce the buflib crash?
12:01:36JdGordonok, cool, I'll leave you to it, unless you've got any ideas to play with?
12:02:47desertdoodhm its been awhile since I untarred a .bz2
12:03:07*desertdood looks around for a manual
12:09:23Zagordesertdood: why don't you use the installer?
12:09:39n1sdo we provide tar archives?
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12:10:54Zagoraha, rbutil is tarballed for some reason
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12:11:29desertdoodZagor: i had to tar xvzf
12:11:37desertdoodI had to look up the command
12:11:42Zagordesertdood: use j instead of z for bz2
12:11:48Zagorz = gzip, j = bzip2
12:12:01desertdooddanke thanks obrigado gracias
12:12:04Zagorit's intuitive! ;-)
12:12:46desertdoodoh yeah xvjf that's what I did (just checked)
12:14:38desertdoodcould not open Ipod permission denied
12:14:46desertdoodhey i might need to format this ipod huh?
12:15:54gevaertsNot unless it's *really* needed
12:16:16desertdoodd/loading the manual
12:16:20gevaertsYou (most probably) need root permissions to install the bootloader though
12:16:33desertdoodI know what to do :)
12:18:49desertdoodnoice! (nice)
12:18:53desertdoodthat did the trick
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12:20:38desertdoodas in the game doom?
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12:22:48desertdoodthanks gevaerts & Zagor & JdGordon
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12:23:12desertdoodstill d/loading that stuck at 17% so far
12:27:03desertdoodthemes and everything
12:27:06desertdoodvery nice
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12:34:46kugeljhMikeS: ping
12:35:57desertdoodokay do i need to install the "Install rockbox on your audio player" ?
12:36:14desertdoodbecause i already installed the bootloader
12:36:19desertdooddownloaded some themes
12:39:07JdGordonclick the "manual" link ofn the left of the website
12:40:21desertdoodits on there
12:40:25desertdoodI am happy
12:40:29desertdoodwayyyyy better
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12:47:17desertdoodnice job
12:47:20desertdoodthis rocks
12:47:35desertdoodI didn't even lose any of my music/podcasts
12:48:14desertdoodrockbox + old apple hardware = foogin great!
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12:49:00chkktrium, is VRC7 from nsf player sound detuned only for me?
12:49:33chkktrifrom r30546
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13:19:19desertdoodhm I can't get it to show up
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13:25:37desertdoodI have it set to USB HID and can't navigate to it
13:25:41desertdooddon't see it
13:26:12JdGordonliterally none of us have any idea what you are talking about
13:28:53desertdoodI plug my ipod into my laptop via usb .... and normal I can see that it has mounted
13:29:01desertdoodit looks as though it has not mounted
13:29:16desertdoodit has a working version of rockbox installed on it
13:29:54desertdoodI went to settings on the ipod itself within rockbox menus ... and selected USB HID as per page 72 of the manual
13:30:27desertdoodand I can't see that it has mounted
13:31:14JdGordonUSB HID is for mouse/keyboard emulation, not for mass storage
13:41:13desertdoodeven opene the rockbox utility and mountpoint does not exist
13:41:33desertdoodit did before rockbox was installed, and now .... lol
13:41:40desertdoodwell I'll keep rtfm'ing
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13:46:57gevaertsdesertdood: does it show up in the dmesg output?
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13:50:12JdGordonkugel: hey, having any luck? I'm getting pretty close to fonts being commitable but worry abit about making that harder to debug if it is indeed a buflib issue
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13:50:40kugelwell, I know that the alloc metadata is getting currupted
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13:51:18kugelperhaps it needs to be reverted, it doesn't appear as safe as I thought
13:52:43JdGordonreverting is going to be a massive PITA :(
13:53:46JdGordonall the stuff already using it
13:53:53JdGordonit really should have unit tests :(
13:55:39kugelI meant r30480 only
13:56:07JdGordonoh, that causes it?
13:56:24desertdoodgot it
13:56:43kugelJdGordon: I think that's the data abort at least
13:56:48desertdoodhad to set it to the apple selector / deselector (also the lock / unlock button)
13:57:19kugelthat it plays from the beginning isn't avoidable unless allocing without playback restarting is implemented
13:58:00JdGordonthe crash is far worse :) but cant it just save the position like a shutdown would?
13:59:01JdGordonreverting that commit does fix it here too, probably a good tmep solution
14:00:38desertdoodsuch a simple fix but took me some time to find it
14:01:16desertdoodokay now .... finally ... when I'm in windows7 .... will I still be able to use itunes? just curious/not a deal breaker at all though
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14:03:32JdGordonkugel: is there a reason buflib_get_name() doesnt have a core_ wrappeR?
14:04:18desertdoodvery cool syncing with gpodder
14:04:40desertdoodthanks for putting up with me
14:04:49desertdoodI'm a permanoob with this stuff
14:05:17JdGordonwe don't mind noob's but if you choose to stay a permanoob then we have problems
14:05:43desertdoodI feel like a permanoob
14:05:58desertdoodI don't desire to stay that way
14:06:25desertdoodI can tell that a lot of work went into this .... very nice work people
14:06:49*desertdood shuts up and plays now
14:07:37Bagderthere's only a few months left until our 10th anniversary, first mail was posted dec 7 2001
14:08:39JdGordonparty time!
14:09:27desertdoodrockbox has been going for ten years?
14:09:47desertdoodjeez ... i didn't even own my own computer til 1995, and online the same year
14:10:06desertdoodand I'm 47 (hence the permanoob application)
14:10:13desertdood47 going on 17
14:10:29*desertdood shuts up ... chan rules and all
14:14:46n1shmm, tremor could actually use a bit less ram if someone went over it and made struct fields no bigger than they have to be, i guess that might slow down some targets with fast memory though
14:15:35n1sthey seem to have decided that everything should be saved as 32 bit values, no matter if it's a huge array of values that would fit in 8 bits
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15:04:55kugelJdGordon: no particular reason
15:05:06kugelit just wasnt needed
15:06:42JdGordonah, ok, good
15:06:55JdGordonI've added it in my fonts tree
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15:31:01JdGordonI tihnk the skin engine is leaking buflib handles :(
15:31:50JdGordoncrud, yep
15:32:02JdGordondon't reload your settings too often between reboots :)
15:36:24JdGordonah, phew, its "only" the images, not the backdrops
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15:48:16JdGordon:) easy fix
15:48:18CIA-14New commit by jdgordon (r30554): skin_engine: make sure to free all buflib allocations so we dont leak handles/memory
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16:44:02Shadic1995hey there
16:44:09Shadic1995i´ve an very big problem
16:44:35Shadic1995so, i installed the newest Rockbox release on ym
16:45:09Shadic1995so, i installed the newest Rockbox release on my iPod nano 2G
16:45:44Shadic1995but than crashed my iPod so i restart it
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16:46:05Shadic1995normally, there is a black backgroung with an white apple logo
16:46:19Shadic1995but now the background is white and the apple logo is black.
16:46:49Shadic1995after a few secounds comes the message "Use iTunes to restore"
16:47:03Shadic1995but iTunes cannot access to my iPod
16:47:17Shadic1995the diskmode doesn´t work too
16:47:23Shadic1995what can i do?
16:50:29Shadic1995thanks for supporting me >_<
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16:53:54ukleinekhmm, too impatient
17:02:20LloreanNot to mention there might not even be anyone around/awake that knows the answer. Mailing lists or the forums are better, since communication doesn't need to be immediate.
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18:16:21pamauryI will end up rewriting the whole freescale tool :)
18:18:49ukleinekpamaury: you're not talking about that imx23 bootlet usb app?
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18:19:38ukleinek(I might have a business case for that)
18:20:36pamauryno, the elftosb tool
18:20:45pamaurywhat is the bootlet usb app ?
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18:47:38ukleinekpamaury: a windows tool to feed the bootrom
18:47:46[Saint_AndChat]Where might I find the clef icon of decent resolution in the source?
18:48:12pamauryukleinek: what does it do ?
18:50:04ukleinekpamaury: I don't know the details, just noticed that we might want this tool on Linux
18:52:28pamaurydoes it just send a sb file to the bootrom
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20:35:55fs-bluebot Error reading ID3 tag of MP3 file with cover (bugs, unconfirmed)
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21:53:10bertrikThe clipv2 uses the same PMU settings as the clip+
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22:04:19bertrikSome internal voltages are set to non-default values, but we don't do that in rockbox. It could be that some internal bootloader already does that for us.
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22:15:00saratogabertrik: do any of the values differ from the ones you and sideral recorded in rockbox via logf?
22:15:41bertriksaratoga, I never recorded them, I'm curious about the values if someone already did that
22:16:05bertrikI'm working on a patch now to show all extended voltages
22:16:15saratogaisn't that what you're refering to?
22:16:23bertriko silly me
22:18:00bertrikyes, they are all different
22:18:30bertrikthe OF configures several internal voltages to 2.5V
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22:19:20bertrikalso the USB detection voltage is set higher in the OF than in rockbox
22:19:42bertriksorry, lower
22:20:39saratogaso i don't really have time to dig into this right now, but in theory we could read out any register settings we liked in the OF by patching one of the lights or even just pulling the dock detect pin high/low
22:20:41bertrikI think it would be interesting to see what the PMU settings do to runtime and audio quality
22:21:08saratogadid funman ever develop a tool for patching arbitrary parts of the firmware and not just compressing the whole thing?
22:21:17saratogai don't know if those little library files have checksums on them
22:21:31bertrikI don't know
22:21:54saratogai was thinking it would be fairly easy to drop some code for blinking a GPIO into the mp3 decoder
22:22:03saratogano real chance of damaging anything important
22:22:05bertrikI remember seeing that the OF has less stereo crosstalk than rockbox
22:22:17saratogayeah its doing something different
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22:33:41*bertrik wonders how to add the extra adc channels available in AMSv2 to the existing AMS adc framework
22:34:17bertrikand not start an #ifdef hell
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23:14:57bertriksaratoga, I read out some of the extended adc channels and several voltages are indeed a bit higher (2.5V instead of 1.7/1.8V) in the OF than in rockbox
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23:15:43bertrikso we are basically undervolting things a bit compared to the OF, without realising it before
23:18:44saratogabertrik: is it difficult to put them the same as the OF? i can test battery life and if its comparable we should correct that i think
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23:21:06bertriksaratoga, it's very easy, there's a patch at
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23:25:23bertrikthe as3543 datasheet has some noise/distortion figures for a low and high supply voltage, not *very* different, 3 or 4 dB or so for most figures
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