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| 10:33:26 | kugel | [Saint_AndChat]: I made some comments about your theme |
| 10:34:16 | [Saint_AndChat] | Ah, cool. Ill have a look when I'm not on my phone. |
| 10:37:26 | [Saint_AndChat] | ...I hope they're good comments, I have criticism sensitive lenses in my glasses ;) |
| 10:37:57 | kugel | can't browse FS from your theme? |
| 10:38:04 | kugel | s/theme/phone/ (wtf) |
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| 10:38:58 | [Saint_AndChat] | Sure I can, but not whilst driving. :) |
| 10:39:09 | kugel | but you can chat? |
| 10:39:59 | [Saint_AndChat] | Voice recognition for the win. |
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| 11:00:54 | JdGordon | kugel: did you see my ping a couple days ago about malloc backed buflib for raaa? |
| 11:01:12 | kugel | no |
| 11:02:11 | JdGordon | I'm going to commit jdgordon/rockbox/commit/adc88c5c86e7275751013c520053d667d9353824">https://github.com/jdgordon/rockbox/commit/adc88c5c86e7275751013c520053d667d9353824 unless you've got a different solution being worked on? |
| 11:02:37 | kugel | uhm, please not |
| 11:02:56 | kugel | why do you need that now already? |
| 11:03:09 | kugel | that means I cannot test buflib things on my phone |
| 11:03:23 | JdGordon | you can disable it |
| 11:03:40 | kugel | answer my question please |
| 11:03:55 | JdGordon | [Saint_AndChat]'s theme eats nearly half the buffer which is pretty shit |
| 11:04:18 | [Saint_AndChat] | It'll get smaller! :) |
| 11:04:29 | [Saint_AndChat] | ...slightly. |
| 11:04:34 | kugel | that's a silly reason for that patch |
| 11:05:02 | * | JdGordon doesnt know why he bothers |
| 11:05:19 | JdGordon | if you're working on a different implementation then good |
| 11:06:29 | kugel | I'm not, not currently |
| 11:06:43 | kugel | I first want to get buflib and its clients working reliably |
| 11:06:56 | kugel | and I want to test on my phone, with svn builds |
| 11:07:46 | JdGordon | ok, so disable it in your build |
| 11:08:00 | JdGordon | thats the reason I did it that way anyway, so it would 1000% transparent |
| 11:08:01 | kugel | did you read svn builds? |
| 11:08:58 | kugel | there's no point in the malloc patch just yet |
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| 11:11:32 | kugel | [Saint_AndChat]: the memory footprint is indeed quite excessive |
| 11:19:19 | [Saint_AndChat] | There's only so much I can do about that. |
| 11:20:02 | [Saint_AndChat] | It'll get ~1.XMB smaller with string translation. |
| 11:20:31 | [Saint_AndChat] | Fonts are the killer, that I can't change. |
| 11:20:44 | kugel | wow, the titlebar stuff is alone 414k |
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| 11:21:14 | [Saint_AndChat] | That's the specific translation I was talking of. |
| 11:22:06 | kugel | the titlebar is pretty wasteful |
| 11:22:12 | [Saint_AndChat] | But, its the fonts, really. And no one wants bitmap fonts on a high(Ishmael) Res screen. |
| 11:22:38 | [Saint_AndChat] | And yes, it is...if you want me to say it a third time... ;) |
| 11:22:45 | kugel | you add the golden thing to the backdrop and just render monochrome bitmaps (or even write it out) |
| 11:24:27 | [Saint_AndChat] | Is there something about development you're missing? I've never said its a: perfect, or b: finished ;) |
| 11:24:39 | [Saint_AndChat] | The look won't change, the guts will. |
| 11:25:24 | kugel | okay |
| 11:30:12 | [Saint_AndChat] | I mainly focussed on function, appearance second. Now both are pretty much in an acceptable level my current changes focus on reducing its footprint. The titlebar not being drawn in the backdrop was a legacy of not all screens having .sbs support and an empty yellow bar looked odd. Changing it back is a step I'll take (planned for some time) when I do the titles with .Lang strings instead of bitmaps. |
| 11:31:15 | amiconn | 'make reconf' is broken for voice builds at least |
| 11:32:01 | amiconn | It duplicates several options in the CONFIGURE_OPTIONS= line, without obeying proper quoting |
| 11:32:31 | amiconn | If you run 'make reconf' a second time, it will complain about unsupported options |
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| 11:36:03 | amiconn | Also adding new languages in alphabetical order breaks 'reconf', but that can be tolerated imo |
| 11:37:12 | kugel | configure filters out options from cmdline that are passed explicitely via reconf, the remainder is passed as cmdline |
| 11:37:49 | kugel | basically everything that can be selected interactively needs to be filtered out |
| 11:40:07 | amiconn | It Atm it duplicates −−language, −−tts and −−tts-options, removing the quoting from the last one |
| 11:40:18 | amiconn | −−tts-options is even non-interactive |
| 11:41:09 | amiconn | And since I have e.g. −−tts-options='/Voice:Audrey16 /speed:2' it complains about an unsupported option /speed:2 next time |
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| 11:41:54 | amiconn | This used to work att devocn time |
| 11:42:00 | amiconn | *devcon |
| 11:42:25 | kugel | I changed configure in the meantime, iirc |
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| 12:17:19 | bertrik | I suppose we don't have .svg's for the usb logos, right? |
| 12:19:11 | bertrik | I need an usb logo of 96 pixels wide to make the sansa clip zip main firmware |
| 12:19:36 | bertrik | It has a dithered shadow, so I can just resize it |
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| 12:26:32 | bertrik | *cannot |
| 12:26:56 | amiconn | Meh, current rockbox crashes on Ondio FM |
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| 12:27:28 | amiconn | CPUAdrErr at 09014134. That's in tagtree |
| 12:30:56 | amiconn | Same on Recorder, just the address is slightly different: 09015104 |
| 12:31:13 | * | amiconn suspects a buflib issue |
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| 12:35:04 | amiconn | These addresses are within get_tag(), almost at the end |
| 12:37:52 | * | bertrik is confused by the <driver>-target.h system of #includes |
| 12:38:46 | [Saint_AndChat] | bertrik: no, no svg. |
| 12:39:05 | bertrik | basically every backlight driver has the prototype for _backlight_init in a target-specific file, but the backlight.c source depends on it returning a bool |
| 12:39:06 | [Saint_AndChat] | Just add some width to the transparent section. |
| 12:39:44 | bertrik | I just resized the biggest one for now, we can fix that later |
| 12:40:18 | [Saint_AndChat] | It'll be off by some probably barely noticeable amount. What ate the deminsions? Ill do it for you this evening. |
| 12:40:38 | pamaury | bertrik: yeah, the <driver>-target.h is a bit weird, and sometimes the real prototype in another file. I think I run into a issue with i2c because of this |
| 12:40:41 | pamaury | *ran |
| 12:40:49 | bertrik | The clip zip has a 96x96x16 display |
| 12:41:22 | [Saint_AndChat] | Do not just a hack by adding transparency I mean. Ill make a new image from the original. |
| 12:41:39 | [Saint_AndChat] | Ill put it on fs if you're not around. |
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| 12:43:40 | [Saint_AndChat] | Iirc, the closest x16 source image to that height is 128? |
| 12:44:54 | [Saint_AndChat] | ...meh, ill have a look soon. I'd really love svg master images. That's probably my next "big" project. |
| 12:46:04 | [Saint_AndChat] | Replacing all the images with consistently coloured/sized ones derived from an svg master...dreams are free :) |
| 12:46:08 | bertrik | For now, I just want the clipzip to compile and don't really care if some logo looks ugly or not, you're welcome to help with a better logo of course |
| 12:46:27 | * | [Saint_AndChat] nods. |
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| 12:51:56 | * | amiconn pings kugel for ideas |
| 12:54:27 | amiconn | Looks like the pointer argument (int *tag) is unaligned |
| 12:55:18 | pamaury | any arm expert: can I do a conditional return like "bxe lr" ? |
| 12:56:22 | amiconn | sure |
| 12:56:38 | amiconn | Just the condition 'e' doesn't exist |
| 12:56:43 | amiconn | They're all two-letter |
| 12:58:18 | pamaury | yeah, eq, just wanted to know if that was possible with the bx call variant |
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| 13:00:57 | amiconn | Almost all arm instructions can be conditionally executed. Everything that has been defined in ARMv4 or earlier definitely can |
| 13:01:51 | * | amiconn hands pamaury a copy of arm_DDI0100I.pdf |
| 13:02:08 | pamaury | I have one, it's just faster to ask than to find it :) |
| 13:02:39 | amiconn | A3.16.7 lists the exceptions |
| 13:03:21 | n1s | yeah, the ARM ARM is a very nice reference |
| 13:05:03 | kugel | amiconn: buflib doesn't touch the data |
| 13:05:39 | kugel | so it doesn't get unaligned through buflib usage |
| 13:05:50 | amiconn | Does buflib align? |
| 13:06:12 | amiconn | Also I wonder why it crashes right at startup. Didn't you test on hwcodec? |
| 13:06:18 | kugel | the pointer buflib returns are word aligned es |
| 13:06:25 | kugel | i did |
| 13:07:14 | amiconn | hmm |
| 13:07:26 | amiconn | What might be the problem then? |
| 13:08:53 | amiconn | Looks like a bisect is due :\ |
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| 13:12:37 | kugel | amiconn: my hwcodec is a pain to use because I don't have the right batteries, I would welcome if you can do this |
| 13:13:55 | amiconn | r30018 is what definitely works. That's pre-buflib |
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| 13:21:03 | CIA-14 | New commit by bertrik (r30588): Sansa clipzip: make main build compile (plugins still disabled) |
| 13:22:50 | pamaury | this fuze+ is a nonsense: if I load 0x100 bytes at 0x0 during boot, OF boots, if I write 0x100 bytes at 0x40000000, OF doesn't boot and in any case if I load the full rockbox bootloader I can run it without any problem |
| 13:23:11 | CIA-14 | r30588 build result: All green |
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| 13:28:19 | pamaury | hum, and now if I write at 0x42000000, OF display logo and keeps rebooting :-/ |
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| 14:56:22 | JdGordon | there isnt much point putting CACHEALIGN_ATTR on a sturct item is there? |
| 14:56:37 | JdGordon | especially if that struct is being alloecd by buflib so could move around? |
| 14:57:12 | kugel | yea |
| 14:57:21 | JdGordon | shld I add padding to the strcut to get that on a specific offset? |
| 14:57:29 | kugel | it only works for static structs IIUC |
| 14:57:50 | gevaerts | CACHEALIGN_ATTR is a hint to the linker, really |
| 14:58:14 | gevaerts | So yes, static allocation only |
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| 14:59:53 | JdGordon | is bool a char or int? |
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| 15:01:39 | kugel | depends |
| 15:01:49 | gevaerts | "An object declared as type _Bool is large enough to store the values 0 and 1." |
| 15:02:01 | gevaerts | (bool is defined to _Bool in stdbool.h) |
| 15:02:25 | JdGordon | hmm, shold I bother [putting that in a union with an int to keep the rest word aligned? |
| 15:02:30 | JdGordon | or will gcc do that anyway? |
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| 15:03:43 | * | kugel wonders what bool has to do with struct alignment |
| 15:03:54 | n1s | primitive struct memvers are aligned to their size |
| 15:04:44 | JdGordon | so ints will always be word aligneD? |
| 15:05:02 | n1s | yes |
| 15:07:39 | pixelma | bertrik: you could use one of the grey/mono USB logos for now. I'm not sure if I have an svg original for that one, I'll have a look later. The semi-transparent part at least has to be done 'by hand' to look correctly |
| 15:08:23 | pixelma | hmm no, those are probably too wide too |
| 15:09:29 | gevaerts | "Each non-bit-field member of a structure or union object is aligned in an implementation-defined manner appropriate to its type" |
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| 15:19:31 | amiconn | n1s: Regarding long blocks in vorbis - do you actually mean using a negative quality value -1 or was that a typo? |
| 15:19:35 | CIA-14 | New commit by jdgordon (r30589): FS #12273 - use buflib for font storage. thanks to the testers :) |
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| 15:21:16 | n1s | amiconn: yes, -1, i think quality 0 will give them too |
| 15:22:01 | CIA-14 | r30589 build result: 152 errors, 3 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
| 15:22:11 | JdGordon | grrrrr |
| 15:23:20 | [Saint_AndChat] | Ouch... |
| 15:24:32 | JdGordon | bloody checkwps |
| 15:24:47 | Lalufu | how many preexisting queues are there in rockbox? I know that iap uses button_queue, are there others? |
| 15:24:53 | * | JdGordon even did a charcell build locally to not have to deal with commit errors |
| 15:25:16 | JdGordon | damn nice fake delta though :) |
| 15:25:28 | JdGordon | unless of course you dont use fonts, thne its a real delta :) |
| 15:28:23 | [Saint_AndChat] | "Fake"? |
| 15:28:43 | JdGordon | the font buffer went from statically allocated to dynamic |
| 15:28:48 | JdGordon | so the delta doesnt pick it up |
| 15:28:54 | [Saint_AndChat] | Ah. |
| 15:29:23 | CIA-14 | New commit by jdgordon (r30590): Fix the build errors |
| 15:29:50 | JdGordon | Lalufu: there are a few, why do you ask? |
| 15:31:31 | CIA-14 | r30590 build result: 0 errors, 96 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
| 15:31:49 | Lalufu | currently IAP uses the button queue to communicate internal events (command arrived via serial/periodic handler) from the interrupt/timeout handler to the functions doing the real work |
| 15:33:40 | Lalufu | this interferes (amplified by a change I made) with the code that asks for a reboot after you installed a new bootfile |
| 15:34:23 | Lalufu | that code sees the IAP internal events and interprets it as "any other key", cancelling the reboot |
| 15:34:24 | CIA-14 | New commit by jdgordon (r30591): last warning |
| 15:34:49 | JdGordon | yeah, you shouldnt use the button queue :) |
| 15:35:17 | Lalufu | which queue would be appropriate for this? |
| 15:35:24 | JdGordon | a new one |
| 15:36:39 | CIA-14 | r30591 build result: All green |
| 15:38:04 | Lalufu | OK. I'm a bit unclear on how the messages traverse the code, though. |
| 15:38:44 | Lalufu | iap.c queue_post()s a message to the button queue, and somehow it ends up in default_event_handler_ex() in misc.c, which then calls the worker function from iap.c. |
| 15:38:47 | Lalufu | how does it get there? |
| 15:39:49 | JdGordon | you probably want a dedicated thread and queue like playback or buffering use? |
| 15:41:26 | Lalufu | so create a private queue and spawn off my own handler thread that reads from the queue and calls the worker functions? |
| 15:44:24 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 15:44:38 | Lalufu | Hm, OK. that would be doable, I suppose. |
| 15:45:48 | amiconn | n1s: Here are the votes from the PP jury. PP5020 (ipod photo): vorbis_128 +4.5% (28.24 MHz -> 27.01 MHz), vorbis_40 +20.6% (31.12 MHz -> 25.80 MHz) |
| 15:46:08 | Lalufu | nice. |
| 15:46:37 | amiconn | PP5002 (ipod 2nd Gen): vorbis_128 +9.9% (30.48 MHz -> 27.73 MHz), vorbis_40 +31.5% (35.65 MHz -> 27.11 MHz) |
| 15:47:01 | amiconn | It's obvious that PP5002 profits even more, as expected |
| 15:47:42 | * | JdGordon doesnt undertstand buflib_buffer_out/in |
| 15:48:09 | amiconn | Weird: Before the latest optimisation, lower quality needed more CPU power in vorbis. |
| 15:48:18 | JdGordon | is that the only way to resize a buffer (specifically to grow it) |
| 15:48:19 | kugel | JdGordon: it takes buflib buffer away from the front |
| 15:48:53 | kugel | giving also works, so yes, resize |
| 15:50:24 | JdGordon | ignoreing the poor names, how will it not usually fail if the callbacks arent called? |
| 15:50:39 | kugel | not at all |
| 15:50:46 | kugel | it shouldn't be used in the core |
| 15:51:05 | JdGordon | ok, well how can i grow a handle? |
| 15:51:19 | kugel | you can't |
| 15:57:20 | kugel | p |
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| 16:03:45 | n1s | amiconn: nice |
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| 16:54:44 | CIA-14 | r30592 build result: 190 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed) |
| 16:55:48 | * | JdGordon really wants to kill checkwps :) |
| 16:56:20 | bertrik | you can try it yourself, before committing, right? |
| 16:56:38 | n1s | where's the fun in that? |
| 16:57:31 | CIA-14 | New commit by jdgordon (r30593): fix checkwps |
| 16:57:40 | * | JdGordon 's computer cant do 100+ builds in 90s :) |
| 16:58:05 | JdGordon | would be nice if "fix foo" commits wernt on the frontpage though |
| 16:59:00 | bertrik | but the checkwps error is for basically all targets, so you don't have to do 100+ builds, just a few |
| 16:59:46 | CIA-14 | r30593 build result: All green |
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| 17:14:21 | gbl08ma | hello everyone. so now, fonts are stored in dynamic allocated RAM (buflib)? I see, the themes buffer has been reduced... |
| 17:14:30 | gbl08ma | (I read the SVN logs) |
| 17:15:11 | gbl08ma | unfortunately, support for multiple fonts keeps broken. Guess I'll have to wait some more time... :) |
| 17:16:30 | gbl08ma | and judging by the buflib debug screen, bmps are now also stored in dynamic memory... sweet |
| 17:16:51 | Lalufu | if I call queue_init() to create my own queue, who would/wouldn't I set register_queue? |
| 17:18:45 | JdGordon | gbl08ma: why do you say mutliple fonts are broken? |
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| 17:20:26 | gbl08ma | because photoSkins WPS still doesn't load correctly, instead it shows the system fallback WPS |
| 17:20:35 | gbl08ma | but hey, I haven't reloaded the theme |
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| 17:21:07 | gbl08ma | nah, still broken |
| 17:21:50 | n1s | gbl08ma: that sounds like a parse failure |
| 17:22:04 | Lalufu | hm. register_queue gets me global events? |
| 17:26:47 | gbl08ma | n1s: yeah, but it's happening since some weeks ago, and I haven't changed the themes. people on IRC told me it was because multiple fonts support was broken |
| 17:27:04 | gbl08ma | and in fact, it worked with themes that only loaded a single font, such as cabbiev2 |
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| 17:36:56 | gevaerts | gbl08ma: I know my new wps and sbs use multiple fonts, and they work |
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| 17:39:56 | gevaerts | hm, the backdrop just went away when switching back from the sbs... |
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| 17:47:04 | [Saint_AndChat] | gbl08ma: is this a touch theme, or no? |
| 17:47:55 | gbl08ma | it was a touch theme, I removed the touch parts as the nano2g has no touchscreen |
| 17:48:17 | [Saint_AndChat] | That's not needed. |
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| 17:48:40 | [Saint_AndChat] | It woit will reject touch tags. |
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| 17:49:02 | [Saint_AndChat] | -woit |
| 17:49:49 | [Saint_AndChat] | A tpouchscreen theme will work fine on a non-touch target. |
| 17:52:05 | [Saint_AndChat] | You must also have resized everything, yes? There's no touch target that shares the nano resolution. |
| 17:52:27 | [Saint_AndChat] | Perhaps you have out of bounds viewports still. |
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| 17:53:33 | [Saint_AndChat] | ...though, it wouldn't load at all then....hmmm. |
| 17:54:08 | [Saint_AndChat] | I'd still need to see it to rule out author-error. |
| 17:58:08 | * | [Saint_AndChat] wonders if gbl08ma fell out of the conversation ;) |
| 17:58:52 | [Saint_AndChat] | Maybe I was wrong to think there was one :D |
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| 18:09:44 | lovasoa | Hello! |
| 18:10:04 | lovasoa | Why isn't the "Database" menu localized ? |
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| 18:12:36 | gbl08ma | [Saint_AndChat] I'm just doing other things, and yeah, I wasn't following the conversation |
| 18:12:57 | gbl08ma | photoSkins has been ported and working for long |
| 18:13:01 | gbl08ma | on the nano2g |
| 18:13:15 | gbl08ma | I ported it myself, with i-audio 's help |
| 18:13:26 | gbl08ma | it worked well for months till some weeks ago |
| 18:13:55 | gbl08ma | i know touch tags are ignored, I just took them off because I wanted to save file space and to make the code easier to read |
| 18:14:07 | gbl08ma | (ignored on non-touch targets) |
| 18:14:50 | [Saint_AndChat] | Iiuc, it saves no space. The rejected tags aren't kept. |
| 18:15:13 | [Saint_AndChat] | So...you gained ~2kb for music ;) |
| 18:16:35 | [Saint_AndChat] | Touch tags will be spat out at parse time, and not count for the skin buffer usage. |
| 18:16:47 | gbl08ma | and then? on computers, having 2KB of disk free is the difference between having Linux booting or not :P |
| 18:17:59 | [Saint_AndChat] | 2kb is a really generous estimate, too ;) |
| 18:17:59 | * | gbl08ma was installing software on a limited Linux system one day, and ended with 0 bytes free at the middle of the process = no Linux command works |
| 18:19:19 | gbl08ma | plus, if each theme cuts its size for about 400 bytes, then 400 * 100 = 400000 bytes = 400KBytes saved if my brain isn't failing |
| 18:20:03 | gevaerts | It is |
| 18:20:24 | gevaerts | You're off by a factor 10, and moreover I don't see where that 100 comes from |
| 18:20:32 | [Saint_AndChat] | Also...where is this saving coming from? |
| 18:20:39 | [Saint_AndChat] | What saves? |
| 18:20:57 | [Saint_AndChat] | The themesite....? |
| 18:21:06 | * | [Saint_AndChat] is lost. |
| 18:21:14 | gevaerts | Also, if you're talking about file sizes, think about cluster sizes |
| 18:22:27 | gbl08ma | 100 = estimate number of themes an owner of an iPod video might have installed |
| 18:22:39 | [Saint_AndChat] | Haahaha. |
| 18:22:46 | gbl08ma | yes it's true I'm dividing by 1000 and not by 1024 |
| 18:22:48 | [Saint_AndChat] | Huge estime. |
| 18:22:56 | [Saint_AndChat] | Estimate even. |
| 18:23:11 | gevaerts | gbl08ma: 400 * 100 = 40000, not 400000 |
| 18:23:18 | gbl08ma | come on, I have all the themes for the nano installed on mine! why can't an iPod video owner do the same? |
| 18:23:21 | pixelma | lovasoa: if you mean the database "subitems" - those aren't using the Rockbox menu system but a tagnavi file. You can make that look like you want it to (even the number of items, how they are named etc.) |
| 18:23:22 | gevaerts | And my estimate is 3 |
| 18:23:54 | gevaerts | But it all doesn't matter, since the filesystem will make each file take 32K or so anyway |
| 18:24:05 | gbl08ma | gevaerts: I really had the impression that my brain was failing |
| 18:24:11 | gbl08ma | anyways |
| 18:24:26 | gbl08ma | why don't photoSkins for nano themes display correctly? |
| 18:24:36 | pixelma | not sure if it would be possible to make the language strings available to tagnavi too, similar to the WPS (or how hard that would be) |
| 18:24:57 | lovasoa | pixelma: thank you, I'll translate the menu myself. But why isn't it localized by default ? |
| 18:25:02 | [Saint_AndChat] | gbl08ma: my honest guess? |
| 18:25:08 | [Saint_AndChat] | Bad code. |
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| 18:25:28 | gbl08ma | then why it loaded correctly before? |
| 18:26:01 | [Saint_AndChat] | The fact it worked until now doesn't mean the code was "good", more that it escaped some edge case. |
| 18:26:30 | gbl08ma | with arboxWidgets it doesn't load the WPS correctly either. I didn't code or modify arboxWidgets |
| 18:26:32 | [Saint_AndChat] | Which it now no longer does, apparently. |
| 18:27:01 | [Saint_AndChat] | Right, and it doesn't mean that code is "good" either. |
| 18:27:17 | gbl08ma | I just tried arboxWidgets and iLike. None load correctly. |
| 18:27:27 | gbl08ma | (the WPS) |
| 18:27:31 | gbl08ma | the SBS loads fine |
| 18:27:56 | [Saint_AndChat] | iLike may well be broken too. |
| 18:28:07 | [Saint_AndChat] | I've not touched it in months. |
| 18:28:21 | gbl08ma | I haven't touched photoSkins in months either |
| 18:28:35 | gbl08ma | then what happened in Rockbox for the themes to become incompatible? |
| 18:28:55 | gbl08ma | I mean, almost every theme except some simpler ones don't have a proper WPS |
| 18:29:03 | gbl08ma | at the moment |
| 18:29:19 | gbl08ma | so, this means all the code except cabbiev2 and a few others is "bad code"? |
| 18:31:23 | * | gevaerts tries one of the seventeen themes called "photoskins something" on a nano2g sim and doesn't see an issue |
| 18:31:25 | pixelma | lovasoa: it can't switch depending on your language setting at all |
| 18:32:02 | [Saint_AndChat] | If its not "bad code", then, its "very weird shit". No theme, ever, has used more skin RAM than my RaaA themes...this I can guarantee, and they load perfectly. They use 3~5MB of images along, and 5 anti aliased fonts each. |
| 18:32:10 | lovasoa | But it's a bug, isn't it ? |
| 18:32:21 | gbl08ma | gevaerts: what's the RB revision on that nano? |
| 18:32:29 | gevaerts | gbl08ma: *sim* |
| 18:32:39 | gevaerts | and current |
| 18:32:48 | gbl08ma | I'm using unmodified r30593 on a real device |
| 18:33:23 | [Saint_AndChat] | are you changing between themes, this is known broken. |
| 18:33:46 | [Saint_AndChat] | Does it load correctly if you change a theme, then reboot? |
| 18:34:09 | gbl08ma | well, I changed between themes, but today when I turned on the iPod it didn't show correctly a photoSkins WPS |
| 18:34:27 | gbl08ma | but i'm rebooting again just to check |
| 18:34:44 | [Saint_AndChat] | I don't think the similar is using bufflib, which may be a factor in gevaerts testing. |
| 18:35:09 | [Saint_AndChat] | Bah, s/similar/sim / |
| 18:35:30 | gevaerts | iLike is broken in the sim for me |
| 18:35:53 | gbl08ma | IMHO this problem only came due to some buflib change, but I'm not sure and IANAD |
| 18:35:56 | gevaerts | [Saint_AndChat]: why wouldn't it? |
| 18:36:43 | gbl08ma | after reboot, iLike keeps having a broken WPS |
| 18:36:56 | [Saint_AndChat] | gevaerts: I didn't think the Sims did "true" buffering compared to target. |
| 18:37:33 | gevaerts | They do |
| 18:38:27 | [Saint_AndChat] | I can't think of a syntax change that would break ilike. |
| 18:38:28 | pixelma | swcodec ones |
| 18:38:45 | [Saint_AndChat] | Can someone define "broken" for me? |
| 18:39:01 | [Saint_AndChat] | Re: iLike |
| 18:39:03 | gevaerts | [Saint_AndChat]: the wps doesn't load, so you get the built-in one |
| 18:39:33 | [Saint_AndChat] | Hmmmm....that's going to be a bastard to debug. |
| 18:39:51 | [Saint_AndChat] | My guess is exceeded buffer. |
| 18:40:15 | [Saint_AndChat] | There should be no syntax changes that hit it. |
| 18:40:45 | gbl08ma | photoSkins never exceeded the buffer, even before buflib came, and I don't think iLike ever did |
| 18:40:47 | [Saint_AndChat] | If the themesite says it works with current, it parses, and should load. |
| 18:41:47 | gevaerts | gbl08ma: the buffer is now a lot smaller, images and fonts aren't part of it any more |
| 18:42:15 | gevaerts | [Saint_AndChat]: iLike works again if I increase WPS_MAX_TOKENS |
| 18:42:30 | [Saint_AndChat] | Aha! |
| 18:42:33 | gbl08ma | I've just checked and iLike doesn't fill even half the buffer |
| 18:42:43 | [Saint_AndChat] | Its rejecting all my comments. |
| 18:43:08 | Lalufu | JdGordon: it works! |
| 18:43:15 | [Saint_AndChat] | I bet taking out comment lines fixes things, I do nothing major with tags. |
| 18:43:16 | gevaerts | gbl08ma: how can you check if it doesn't even load? |
| 18:43:37 | Lalufu | would IAP qualify as a system thread, i.e. could I use PRIORITY_SYSTEM instead of PRIORITY_BACKGROUND? |
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| 18:44:24 | [Saint_AndChat] | It doesn't fill even half the buffer *because* it doesn't load, gbl08ma |
| 18:44:30 | [Saint_AndChat] | ;) |
| 18:44:43 | [Saint_AndChat] | And gevaerts just found out why. |
| 18:44:55 | gevaerts | [Saint_AndChat]: iLike uses 88K out of 80K available |
| 18:45:05 | Lalufu | that's quite a trick. |
| 18:46:18 | [Saint_AndChat] | gevaerts: right,thanks. I bet its an easy fix. Ill remove my comments. |
| 18:46:51 | gbl08ma | "Just" move everything related to themes, even the tags, to a buflib alloc, and forget the size limit on themes (excluding, obviously, the device's ram limit) :D |
| 18:46:57 | [Saint_AndChat] | I thi needed to re-do the current screen code anyway. |
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| 18:47:13 | [Saint_AndChat] | *think I |
| 18:47:26 | gevaerts | [Saint_AndChat]: right. 63.7K if I strip all comment lines in the wps, sbs and fms |
| 18:47:41 | [Saint_AndChat] | Thanks gevaerts |
| 18:48:12 | [Saint_AndChat] | gbl08ma: you don't "just do" anything with the buffering system. ;) |
| 18:48:20 | gbl08ma | see, why those 2KB I talked about are important? :D and in this case, it was much more than 2KB... |
| 18:48:35 | gevaerts | gbl08ma: can you check if increasing WPS_MAX_TOKENS in apps/gui/skin_engine/wps_internals.h fixes things for you as well? |
| 18:49:43 | gbl08ma | I don't have a rockbox build environment set up anymore, sorry |
| 18:49:57 | [Saint_AndChat] | gbl08ma: you obviously didn't read, or understand. Touch tags DONT COUNT here. |
| 18:50:18 | [Saint_AndChat] | They are rejected at parse time. |
| 18:50:21 | gbl08ma | I had to reinstall linux on my desktop and lost the build environment, still didn't feel the need to setting it up again |
| 18:51:10 | [Saint_AndChat] | If its not a tag the target can use, its rejected and wont count towards skin ram usage. |
| 18:51:35 | gevaerts | I think the question is why comments are kept |
| 18:51:43 | [Saint_AndChat] | ...but, that should be the case for comments. |
| 18:51:51 | gbl08ma | then why does it count comments? shouldn't it reject them |
| 18:51:59 | gbl08ma | oops saint came first :) |
| 18:52:02 | [Saint_AndChat] | gevaerts: I just clicked to that too ;) |
| 18:52:40 | [Saint_AndChat] | It certainly used to reject tags it can't use (and comments). |
| 18:52:52 | [Saint_AndChat] | ...something broke. |
| 18:53:14 | gevaerts | The amount saved in the skin buffer by stripping comment lines exactly (well, within 1%) matches the amount of characters on those lines |
| 18:53:50 | gbl08ma | so, it's not a problem in the themes themselves. I hope :) |
| 18:55:09 | [Saint_AndChat] | If tags aren't rejected, I wouldn't expect things to work for say, a condition that requires recording, but didn't give a false case. |
| 18:55:34 | [Saint_AndChat] | (Not giving a false case is accepted) |
| 18:57:08 | [Saint_AndChat] | And, from what I know, even if I'm wrong about tags being rejected at parse time (I font believe I am), comments REALLY shouldn't be counted as tags and added to the skin buffer usage. |
| 18:57:28 | [Saint_AndChat] | s/font/don't/ |
| 18:59:19 | * | gevaerts submitted FS #12289 |
| 18:59:19 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12289 Skin comments take up space in the skin buffer (bugs, new) |
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| 19:00:21 | gevaerts | JdGordon: do you have ideas on that? |
| 19:01:05 | [Saint_AndChat] | Not until late today, probably. |
| 19:01:30 | [Saint_AndChat] | Or 12 hours or so for you euro's. |
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| 19:21:55 | * | [Saint_AndChat] runs from the skin parser shrieking... |
| 19:23:11 | [Saint_AndChat] | I thought I'd check if my theory about unused tags being rejected was true. But I think I just hurt my brain. |
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| 19:39:19 | fml | gevaerts: are you here? I need some help with a WPS |
| 19:39:44 | * | [Saint_AndChat] steps up. |
| 19:40:22 | [Saint_AndChat] | I'm free, fml |
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| 19:42:01 | fml | Saint_AndChat: thanks! This is the first time I actually create a WPS with skinned lists. And I not quite understand how to do it. I created a SBS and defined a custom UI viewport there. |
| 19:42:23 | [Saint] | Right. What part is bothering you? |
| 19:42:28 | fml | But I can't make it to really draw the menues, file lists etc. |
| 19:43:19 | [Saint] | pastebin what you have. |
| 19:43:36 | [Saint] | I'll have a look. (no promises, though ;) |
| 19:43:53 | [Saint] | I'm still playing with the skinned lists myself. |
| 19:44:20 | fml | [Saint]: here's my .sbs: http://pastebin.com/5LsfC5Qs |
| 19:45:06 | fml | Where should I define the vieport for an item? In sbs? Or in wps? |
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| 19:45:39 | [Saint] | in the .sbs. |
| 19:46:04 | [Saint] | You're declaring a custom UI viewport, but never calling it. |
| 19:46:22 | [Saint] | the %Vi line is unneeded. |
| 19:46:52 | [Saint] | Oh, wait. I'm mixing myself up. |
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| 19:53:18 | [Saint] | the CustomWPS example really is *terrible* |
| 19:54:50 | kugel | improve it |
| 19:55:40 | [Saint] | If I knew a lot about it...you think I'd be looking at the example syntax? ;) |
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| 20:06:28 | gevaerts | fml: you're declaring a list area of 5 by 50 pixels and you then try to put 51x17-sized items in it |
| 20:07:08 | fml | This is what I have now: http://pastebin.com/J92U4n3Q The list title is drawn as expected, but the menu items are not. They are drawn as per default. |
| 20:07:31 | gevaerts | %Lb is wrong |
| 20:08:45 | gevaerts | Your "item" viewport is 0,0,50,16, so you probably want %Lb(item,50,16) or so |
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| 20:11:27 | fml | gevaerts: I changed the dimensions but that didn't help. I don't quite understand why I have to specify the dimension in %Lb when the item size is already defined in the item's viewport. |
| 20:11:38 | fml | Isn't it a double definition? |
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| 20:12:21 | gevaerts | No. (a) the viewport can have an offset, and (b) you're not restricted to one viewport. You can have several viewports (all with the same label) that make up one item |
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| 20:13:19 | fml | gevaerts: OK. That I understand. But it still does not work. |
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| 20:13:47 | [Saint] | It *does* work...but, even I'm struggling a little here. |
| 20:14:28 | [Saint] | I usually need to "see" the code working before I get a hang of it. The CustomWPS example doesn't really help me in this respect ;) |
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| 20:16:26 | fml | What???!!! Is it possible that files are cached in a sim? I edited the file, started the sim anew and non't see the change! |
| 20:16:43 | fml | I edited the .sbs |
| 20:16:53 | [Saint] | No, they are not cached. |
| 20:16:54 | bertrik | the .sbs gets renamed IIRC |
| 20:17:04 | bertrik | or at least the .wps does |
| 20:17:21 | gevaerts | bertrik: huh? |
| 20:17:42 | kugel | fml: there's only dircache |
| 20:18:08 | kugel | that caches, so don't see new/deleted files. but the data itself isn't cached so you should see changes |
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| 20:19:29 | fml | Ok, I edited the wron file (a copy). So that's OK |
| 20:19:50 | fml | But the list (main menu) is still not drawn as expected |
| 20:19:50 | bertrik | gevaerts, fml sorry I think I'm confusing things, when working with wps'es some time ago something like this bit me in the back, don't know the details |
| 20:20:58 | bertrik | I think I edited the file in the simdisk, then did a make install, which overwrote my changes, but nevermind |
| 20:23:36 | gevaerts | fml: moving the %Lb line down to just above the list viewport makes it work for me |
| 20:26:17 | fml | gevaerts: aha! Now the items are drawn OK. But I don't see the selection bar. |
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| 20:30:43 | gevaerts | fml: the bar appears if you move that line around too, but I can't get it to work nicely |
| 20:32:45 | fml | Argh! %LB is the *scroll* bar! I thought that was the selection bar!!! Shame on me! |
| 20:33:20 | gevaerts | Indeed! :) |
| 20:34:35 | gevaerts | You have to draw the selection bar yourself, based on what %Lc says |
| 20:36:13 | pixelma | so [Saint] lied to me when he said the scroll bar wasn't customisable yet? :) |
| 20:36:35 | [Saint] | no... |
| 20:36:37 | gevaerts | hm, this scroll bar is tricky! |
| 20:36:40 | pixelma | should have been a ;) |
| 20:36:47 | * | gevaerts now has a private scroll bar for each list item |
| 20:36:59 | [Saint] | pixelma: You can only tell it to draw. |
| 20:37:02 | [Saint] | and where. |
| 20:37:16 | [Saint] | I thought you meant customizable as in "use your own images" |
| 20:37:27 | pixelma | was there something about its width? |
| 20:37:34 | pixelma | no |
| 20:37:55 | [Saint] | the width is a system setting, afaik, no? |
| 20:38:20 | [Saint] | gevaerts really knows more about skinned lists than I at present, and probably future ;) |
| 20:38:43 | pixelma | ok, better leave it for the default theme |
| 20:39:05 | [Saint] | I intend to gracefully step back from themes once this cabbie fiasco is over and done with :p |
| 20:39:20 | [Saint] | (disclaimer, I probably won't ) |
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| 20:40:51 | fml | %?Lc<%Vf(000000)%Vb(ffffff)|%Vf(ffffff)%Vb(000000)>%LN. %LT <−−- this code does not seem to draw a selected or non-selected item as I would expect |
| 20:41:10 | pixelma | but basically I didn't like the... hmm, how to put it... sequence of rather "fat" scrollbar, small icons and then fat font. Maybe it also has to with missing spacing between these |
| 20:45:27 | gevaerts | fml: I know I had issues with %Vf and %Vb in combination with %Lc |
| 20:46:42 | gevaerts | Or in combination with %Lb in general I suspect |
| 20:46:53 | fml | gevaerts: if I define separate viewports for selected and not selected items and conditionally display them in the item's VP, they are all displayed at a fixed position, i.e. not relative to the item's "box" |
| 20:47:39 | gevaerts | Yes, I expect that sort of trick won't work. *Only* the item marked in %Lb is "move" |
| 20:47:42 | gevaerts | *moved |
| 20:49:11 | gevaerts | %Vs(color,000000) works as a replacement for %Vf(000000). That's something that still needs work |
| 20:49:28 | gevaerts | %Vf and %Vb should just work, but something gets confused |
| 20:50:30 | pixelma | %Vf/%Vb working conditionally was something that needed a fix later to make it work when it was introduced - but it was fixed and I use it in my WPS successfully |
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| 20:52:29 | fml | gevaerts: yesss! This works: %?Lc<%Vs(invert)|>%LN. %LT |
| 20:52:43 | gevaerts | pixelma: I think the *conditional* part works fine. What happens is that the %Vf and %Vb as done by the first list item stick for the other list items, so I suspect it's something with this list item viewport being drawn multiple times (which I think isn't done anywhere else) |
| 20:53:37 | * | gevaerts should make a small screen theme with one list item per screen |
| 20:54:26 | gevaerts | [Saint]: haven't you experimented with grid lists yet for touchscreens? |
| 20:55:15 | [Saint] | Only briefly. Enough to get a WIP going. |
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| 20:57:47 | [Saint] | I ended up getting sidetracked and finding out I could do a bunch of (at the time, only dummy) UI viewports switched conditionally with a tabular menu kinda thing. |
| 20:58:02 | fml | It's a pity that %LN yields a 0-based number. It wouldbe more natural to make it 1-based. |
| 20:58:45 | [Saint] | "more natural" compared to...? |
| 20:59:02 | fml | It doesn't matter for conditional logic, but it's more natural for numbering list items. |
| 20:59:41 | [Saint] | the icons have always been this way, afaik. 32 icons, 0~31 |
| 20:59:43 | fml | [Saint]: ...to 0-based |
| 20:59:52 | gevaerts | [Saint]: this is displayed |
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| 21:00:11 | gevaerts | fml: maybe we should just add this arithmetic tag and be done with it... |
| 21:01:14 | fml | gevaerts: maybe. But I'd still make %LN 1-based. Adding the math tag would require enabling WPS vars for all targets, not only touch screens. |
| 21:01:35 | gevaerts | Would it? |
| 21:01:37 | [Saint] | its convoluted, but, couldn't you make it display the "correct" list number with relative ease with a conditional like %?LN<1|2|3|...etc>? |
| 21:01:56 | gevaerts | [Saint]: you know this can go up to tens of thousands, right? |
| 21:02:14 | [Saint] | sure, I didn't say it'd be pretty! :D |
| 21:02:28 | gevaerts | There's this skin buffer size! |
| 21:02:29 | fml | gevaerts: how else would you use the result of the math? |
| 21:03:03 | gevaerts | fml: you'd do something like %arith(+,%LT,1) and it would output the new number |
| 21:03:15 | * | gevaerts likes prefix notation :) |
| 21:03:47 | fml | gevaerts: OK, that would be possible |
| 21:04:41 | gevaerts | I'm not opposed to making %LT 1-based though |
| 21:05:00 | fml | I now think that skinned lists are a nice idea, but it's not ready for usage by a mere mortal. |
| 21:05:21 | fml | There are too many whistles and some things do not just work. |
| 21:05:56 | gevaerts | If %LT is always used as text (as opposed to e.g. indexing bitmap strips, and you can't really do that anyway because you don't know how many items there will be), it would be silly to *always* have to add 1 |
| 21:09:35 | CIA-14 | New commit by gevaerts (r30594): Make %LT 1-based. This tag will likely only be used to print the item number (as opposed to e.g. using it as an index to a bitmap strip, which has the ... |
| 21:09:59 | gevaerts | fml: better? :) |
| 21:10:31 | [Saint] | that's a few of my themes broken. |
| 21:10:57 | * | [Saint] checks he's thinking of the right tag. |
| 21:11:48 | * | gevaerts would be surprised if [Saint] had more than one theme using %LT |
| 21:11:55 | CIA-14 | r30594 build result: 0 errors, 88 warnings (gevaerts committed) |
| 21:11:59 | gevaerts | Even the one seems unlikely :) |
| 21:12:02 | [Saint] | AH...I was confusing %Lt |
| 21:12:36 | [Saint] | and even then, I was confusing that tags function with %Li |
| 21:12:38 | CIA-14 | New commit by gevaerts (r30595): Fix silly mistake |
| 21:12:50 | gevaerts | Hm |
| 21:12:56 | gevaerts | It's actually %LN |
| 21:13:16 | * | gevaerts apologises for the confusion |
| 21:13:28 | [Saint] | add it to CustomWPS, boy! |
| 21:13:33 | * | [Saint] cracks the whip |
| 21:14:33 | [Saint] | Is there, by chance, anyone present with an RaaA target, of the resolution 320x480? |
| 21:14:50 | kugel | I'm here |
| 21:14:52 | CIA-14 | r30595 build result: All green |
| 21:15:09 | fml | gevaerts: yes, that's better. |
| 21:15:18 | gevaerts | [Saint]: done |
| 21:15:51 | [Saint] | kugel: Ah, excellent. I generally avoid pinging people unless I've seen them active in the last while. Didn't see you in *-community 'til now. |
| 21:15:59 | [Saint] | I'll make a .zip for you to poke at. |
| 21:16:32 | pixelma | gevaerts: regarding the %Vf/b issue - does "line needs to scroll" or not make a difference? |
| 21:16:49 | gevaerts | pixelma: no |
| 21:19:17 | [Saint] | kugel: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-58768884.html |
| 21:20:15 | kugel | what did you change? |
| 21:20:28 | kugel | I fixed the ffwd/rew and volume icons in the meantime |
| 21:20:58 | [Saint] | fonts, re: dislike of bold. positioning of some wrong valued items, touch areas. |
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| 21:22:21 | fml | Thanks to all who helped me to sort things out! |
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| 21:23:22 | kugel | [Saint]: sysfont the menus, ffwd/rew still wrong |
| 21:24:03 | kugel | sorry, I think I didn't mention it on the tracker, but those are cropped since they're mistakenly used as a bitmap strip |
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| 21:26:05 | amiconn | kugel: I've now bisected hwcodec (recorder) |
| 21:26:23 | amiconn | Unfortunately there seem to be two problems. First a hang, later the crash |
| 21:26:33 | amiconn | The hang is caused by r30312 |
| 21:26:51 | bertrik | amiconn, there's a similar problem now on flyspray, for the onda vx747 |
| 21:26:57 | [Saint] | Ah, whoops. I added the wrong font to the theme. And I just figured where I messed up the FFWD/REW. They're *supposed* to be a bitmapstrip, but I included the wrong images. |
| 21:27:17 | gevaerts | JdGordon: can we get a %L<something> tag that draws the appropriate icon for the item? Or am I missing something and you can already do that? |
| 21:27:20 | [Saint] | kugel: 36pt was too big for the menus/lists? |
| 21:27:38 | amiconn | kugel: r30312 is a talk_init change introduced by you |
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| 21:27:41 | [Saint] | gevaerts: %Li |
| 21:27:47 | kugel | [Saint]: with your last zip i get sysfont |
| 21:28:13 | gevaerts | [Saint]: %Li and %LI get icon numbers |
| 21:28:20 | amiconn | r30308 was the main buflib commit, and there were several fixups |
| 21:28:22 | kugel | amiconn: I have a script to show links to viewvc for rXXX so you don't need to tell what the commit does :) |
| 21:28:27 | [Saint] | kugel: yeah, that's to be expected. Its looking for a font that isn't there. you mentioned on the tracker, though. Something about the fonts too big for the menus? |
| 21:28:38 | [Saint] | was it just bold that was the problem, or the height also? |
| 21:28:59 | pixelma | hmm, while I do have a vector version of the usb logo, I remember lots of "repairing" pixel by pixel even with the bigger bitmaps made of it |
| 21:29:06 | amiconn | kugel: Did you test your changes on hwcodec with voice enabled and a voice file installed? |
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| 21:29:50 | gevaerts | hm, maybe bitmap strips are usable here. I somehow thought they wouldn't be |
| 21:30:21 | [Saint] | gevaerts: yeah, sorry. I wasn't very descriptive. |
| 21:30:42 | [Saint] | yes, load the icons as a bitmapstrip, and display with %Li |
| 21:30:56 | bertrik | pixelma, yes, even the largest usb bitmap looks like a rendered vector image, but with some dithering for half-transparency done by hand (I presume) |
| 21:31:37 | gevaerts | [Saint]: I think I tried that and got off by one, so you'd need a separate copy. Not a huge problem since I'd want a different icon size depending on the screen anyway... |
| 21:31:49 | pixelma | bertrik: that for sure but I also think there was fixup for the rest of the graphics |
| 21:31:59 | bertrik | oh ok |
| 21:32:02 | [Saint] | "off by one"? |
| 21:32:14 | [Saint] | I have a theme (somewhere) with this working...one sec. |
| 21:32:23 | gevaerts | yes, at least for %LI I got the wrong icon |
| 21:33:24 | kugel | amiconn: yep |
| 21:33:32 | amiconn | weird |
| 21:33:47 | amiconn | Do you have an idea why it might hang? |
| 21:33:48 | [Saint] | gevaerts: It's 0~32, 0 == "no icon" |
| 21:33:55 | kugel | and it exposed quite some bugs, but it worked shortly before committing |
| 21:34:28 | kugel | actually, IIRC, I had r30312 done before in my tree to fix some hwcodec bug |
| 21:34:30 | amiconn | Btw, hang means bootscreen is shown forever |
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| 21:34:42 | [Saint] | gevaerts: So, you likely don't want a declaration in the first %Li case. |
| 21:34:48 | [Saint] | hence your "off by one" |
| 21:34:54 | amiconn | It also happens with 'voice menus' disabled (but voice files still present) |
| 21:35:13 | kugel | the sim shows nothing I'm afraid? |
| 21:35:33 | amiconn | I didn't try a sim at all |
| 21:35:40 | gevaerts | [Saint]: a declaration? You mean as in build a huge conditional? |
| 21:36:22 | [Saint] | Yep. ;) |
| 21:36:33 | gevaerts | [Saint]: I want to use %xd(i, %LI), not %LI<kilometers of text>! |
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| 21:36:52 | gevaerts | And apart from this off-by-one, that works fine! |
| 21:37:09 | [Saint] | that won't work, afaik, as that doesn't know about things that don't have a first case. like %Li |
| 21:37:21 | gevaerts | So I guess I'll just copy the icon strips :) |
| 21:37:35 | gevaerts | (and add an empty box) |
| 21:37:40 | [Saint] | http://pastebin.com/z8hCMWrz |
| 21:37:47 | [Saint] | that does it ;) |
| 21:37:53 | [Saint] | just c/p your identifier. |
| 21:38:05 | gevaerts | I *refuse* to do that! |
| 21:38:10 | [Saint] | bah! |
| 21:38:32 | gevaerts | In fact, maybe I'll add this arithmetic tag just for this! |
| 21:38:43 | [Saint] | my way might be /long/, but its *right* dammit! |
| 21:38:44 | amiconn | Hmm, now I tried building a sim. 'make install' doesn't work at all |
| 21:38:51 | amiconn | simdisk/ is completely empty |
| 21:39:09 | [Saint] | adding a whole other iconset and adding a blank icon is a hack! :P |
| 21:39:19 | gevaerts | [Saint]: you're probably loading the iconset a second time anyway! |
| 21:39:38 | * | [Saint] hates to think of the amount of dirty skin hacks he's done. |
| 21:39:48 | gevaerts | I'm pretty sure the skin code isn't smart enough to say "Oh, wait, this is the active icon set, I don't need to load this" |
| 21:39:52 | [Saint] | gevaerts: Yes, but, it's not a copy of the main iconset. |
| 21:40:12 | [Saint] | (in my case, at least) |
| 21:40:19 | gevaerts | So you prefer unreadable code over *one* extra image space? |
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| 21:40:54 | [Saint] | Bah, its like Jd, and now you, that call that unreadable ;) |
| 21:41:10 | [Saint] | your way, I can't see how many cases I'm dealing with without looking at the image. |
| 21:41:16 | amiconn | 'make fullinstall' doesn't work either |
| 21:41:24 | amiconn | wth.... |
| 21:44:04 | amiconn | How is this supposed to work nowadays? |
| 21:44:55 | gevaerts | amiconn: make fullinstall worked for me earlier today |
| 21:45:12 | amiconn | Well, here it doesn't, without any error message |
| 21:45:20 | amiconn | This is r30312 though |
| 21:47:30 | amiconn | 'make install V=1' reveals that buildzip.pl is being run. It builds the whole .rockbox dir, and then immediately removes it again without copying into simdisk/ |
| 21:54:08 | [Saint] | gevaerts: %xl(identifier)" and "%?LT<%?Li<identifier,%Li>>" |
| 21:54:26 | [Saint] | *identifier is you font |
| 21:54:31 | [Saint] | s/font/icons. |
| 21:55:06 | [Saint] | shave off the %?LT if you *always* want icons, and not for just lists that have titles |
| 21:55:38 | * | [Saint] remembered that this "find out how many cases a tag has" stuff is already in SVN |
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| 21:56:35 | [Saint] | so, "%xl(identifier)" and "%?Li<identifier,%Li>" would also work. |
| 21:56:57 | | Nick dan is now known as Guest48954 (~d99bc2a5@www.haxx.se) |
| 21:56:58 | Guest48954 | can someone help me please |
| 21:57:11 | [Saint] | Guest42312: Only if you say what the problem is. |
| 21:57:17 | [Saint] | And only if its about Rockbox ;) |
| 21:57:20 | Guest48954 | That would help. |
| 21:57:31 | Guest48954 | I have a clip+ |
| 21:58:05 | Guest48954 | and i installed rockbox fone but when i plugged it in it restored it to the old proper firmware that came on the device |
| 21:58:12 | Guest48954 | fine* |
| 21:58:25 | [Saint] | This is expected. |
| 21:58:41 | [Saint] | It didn't "restore", there's just no USB support in Rockbox for your target. |
| 21:58:49 | [Saint] | So we use the original firmware instead. |
| 21:59:04 | Guest48954 | oh,how can i put files on without it reseting? |
| 21:59:13 | [Saint] | Read the manual regarding dual-boot, I don't know the key combination for this player off the top of my head. |
| 21:59:46 | [Saint] | Oh, whoops. You can't. It will always use the default firmware for USB. |
| 21:59:57 | [Saint] | (until USB is enabled in ROckbox for your player) |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:02 | Guest48954 | then reset it on next boot, which is annoying? |
| 22:01:00 | Guest48954 | even when i plug it into my computer to charge it resets to the original firmware |
| 22:01:01 | [Saint] | after its booted the OF, and you've transferred your files, turning the player off and then on again should boot Rockbox unless I'm mistaken. |
| 22:01:15 | | Part lovasoa |
| 22:01:34 | [Saint] | and if you don't want it to enumerate, hold a key (mentioned in the manual), and it will enter a "charge only" mode. |
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| 22:01:50 | [Saint] | reading the manual, is a very good this. All this is described ;) |
| 22:01:55 | [Saint] | s/this/thing/ |
| 22:02:00 | Guest48954 | haha its so long xD |
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| 22:02:47 | [Saint] | It has a search function (the manual) if I'm correct. |
| 22:02:58 | [Saint] | you should be able to search for what you want to know about. |
| 22:03:15 | Guest48954 | oh yeah rockbox does sort itself out when booting after transferring. |
| 22:03:27 | Guest48954 | thanks somuch :) |
| 22:03:29 | [Saint] | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-build.html |
| 22:03:50 | amiconn | gevaerts: I've solved the mystery |
| 22:04:05 | amiconn | Some time ago I must have done a symlinkinstall |
| 22:04:16 | [Saint] | Guest42312: No problem. |
| 22:04:41 | amiconn | After that, ordinary 'make install' won't work - and the symlink will be broken because ordinary install deletes the source (where the link is pointing to) |
| 22:06:54 | amiconn | kugel: Sim doesn't hang |
| 22:09:03 | amiconn | That is, r30312 doesn't hang. Current svn *does* crash |
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| 22:11:39 | amiconn | r30595 to be specific. It crashes in strcat(), and the backtrace is unhelpful :( |
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| 22:17:38 | amiconn | kugel: r30595 sim only crashes if there's a voice file present for the currently selected language |
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| 22:19:05 | amiconn | Backtrace of a linux sim is more helpful |
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| 22:23:09 | amiconn | It's definitely voice related. The sim crashes in main.c:init_tagcache() which tries to talk |
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| 22:23:53 | amiconn | kugel ^^ |
| 22:24:03 | lovasoa | Hi |
| 22:24:47 | lovasoa | I just updated my iPod to the latest SVN, and the cover don't display anymore, with any skin. |
| 22:24:54 | lovasoa | Is it normal ? |
| 22:25:41 | [Saint] | No, its not. |
| 22:26:15 | [Saint] | I cannot say why its happeneing, but I *can* tell you it shouldn't happen. |
| 22:27:06 | [Saint] | when you say "with any skin", I assume you've checked cabbiev2 as well? |
| 22:27:13 | lovasoa | I meant : do you all have the same problem ? |
| 22:27:33 | [Saint] | You're the first one to report it. |
| 22:27:36 | lovasoa | Yes, I tried cabbiev2 |
| 22:28:18 | [Saint] | There was some other theme issues reported earlier, but the album art was not one of them. |
| 22:28:24 | lovasoa | Is there anything I can do to help you solve the problem? |
| 22:29:08 | [Saint] | Do you recall the last version you had on your player where album art did display? |
| 22:29:14 | [Saint] | that would help. |
| 22:29:33 | [Saint] | If you can build your own Rockbox binaries, it would help even more. |
| 22:30:07 | [Saint] | (as then you'd be able to mention the exact revision (through trial and error) that does work) |
| 22:30:30 | lovasoa | Actually, I am building my own binaries |
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| 22:32:38 | lovasoa | I am currently rebuilding from scratch, after a make clean |
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| 22:34:54 | [Saint] | do you know how to bisect a known good revision? |
| 22:35:16 | lovasoa | No, I don't |
| 22:35:30 | lovasoa | Is it long ? |
| 22:35:30 | * | gevaerts has seen album art on his gigabeat F running r30593 |
| 22:35:54 | lovasoa | Because I'll have to go to bed in a short time... |
| 22:36:35 | [Saint] | pick a revision to build, try it, and label it good or bad, depending on the result. If it is bad, go back forther, if it is good, pick a revision halway between the revision you just built and the current (known bad) revision, build that, and label it good or bad, depending on the result. |
| 22:36:39 | [Saint] | etc. etc. |
| 22:36:41 | pixelma | my phone running 30582 shows album art too |
| 22:37:03 | lovasoa | It seems logical |
| 22:37:03 | pixelma | err... I read gevaerts' revision number wrong |
| 22:37:30 | lovasoa | But I don't know how to do that with svn... |
| 22:38:13 | [Saint] | svn up XXXXX (where XXXXXX is the desired revision) (iirc) |
| 22:38:14 | bertrik | svn update -r<revision> |
| 22:38:23 | [Saint] | ah, I forgot the -r |
| 22:38:28 | * | amiconn wonders how this *ever* worked |
| 22:39:12 | amiconn | init_tagcache() is called before audio_init() (which in turn calls talk_init()) so voice is uninitialized when init_tagcache() is running |
| 22:39:47 | bertrik | sheer coincidence then? |
| 22:40:24 | lovasoa | I'm gonna try that |
| 22:41:47 | lovasoa | I can start with r30589, as it's the first recent revision that touches the skin engine... |
| 22:41:56 | amiconn | It's strange that swcodec doesn't crash there (same init order) |
| 22:43:04 | Lalufu | protip: check out the git-tree and use git-bisect |
| 22:43:20 | lovasoa | Hoho |
| 22:43:34 | lovasoa | My compilation just finished |
| 22:43:40 | amiconn | Hmm, actually init_tagcache() only tries to talk on swcodec |
| 22:43:42 | lovasoa | And it works |
| 22:43:47 | amiconn | So the problem must be sth else |
| 22:43:54 | [Saint] | from 30589, assuming its good, it'll take like...what ~5 builds, max? |
| 22:44:24 | lovasoa | I just recompiled from scratch (after a make clean) and it works |
| 22:44:30 | kugel | "amiconn wonders how this *ever* worked" <−− I wondered this many times |
| 22:44:40 | [Saint] | lovasoa: *facepalm* ;) |
| 22:44:56 | lovasoa | :-/ |
| 22:45:25 | [Saint] | Heh, we'va all done it, I'm sure. |
| 22:45:58 | [Saint] | But, next time some "very weird s**t" happens, and you're building your own binaries...try one of the ROckbox provided binaries forst. |
| 22:46:11 | [Saint] | *first, too. |
| 22:46:32 | lovasoa | But there are some themes that still don't work... |
| 22:48:21 | amiconn | Still the sim only crashes when a voice file is present for the currently selected language |
| 22:49:10 | amiconn | Oh, and this test revealed another bug: Voice doesn't work when the built-in english is used, only when 'english.lng' is selected explicitly |
| 22:49:23 | amiconn | Hwcodec sim to be precise |
| 22:49:39 | amiconn | (the latter bug probably affects all targets and sims) |
| 22:49:51 | pixelma | wasn't there also backdrop corruption or so reported with voice enabled? |
| 22:54:00 | amiconn | It almost looks like something is overwritten that causes the sim to crash in a system function, which is being called from sleep(). The full backtrace is here (player sim, but the bt looks the same for recorder sim apart from the actual addresses): http://pastebin.ca/2082562 |
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| 22:56:19 | amiconn | Hmm, probably false alarm. Does pausing a thread send a SIGUSR1 when running under gdb? |
| 22:57:51 | amiconn | I've now continued a few times, and then it finally crashes with SIGSEGV elsewhere: http://pastebin.ca/2082563 |
| 22:58:33 | amiconn | This is in tagtree - where current svn crashes on actual hwcodec target as well. Not in exactly the same place though |
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| 22:59:30 | kugel | amiconn: yes, gdb pauses on SIG* |
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| 23:00:11 | amiconn | No, I mean whether pausing (from within thread_unix.c) sends a SIGUSR1 |
| 23:00:16 | gevaerts | amiconn: are you using configure −−sdl-threads? If not, maybe try it. Native threads and gdb can be a bit annoying if you don't set up everything right |
| 23:00:42 | kugel | amiconn: thread creation sends this yes |
| 23:00:44 | amiconn | Anyway, the SIGSEGV is probably the more interesting one |
| 23:03:04 | amiconn | gevaerts: I tried now. It doesn't send SIGUSR1 this way. The SIGSEGV backtrace is the same as with native threads |
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| 23:05:28 | kugel | do "handle SIGUSR1 pass nostopp" in gdb to ignore it |
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| 23:11:21 | kugel | amiconn: I could observe the behavior that voice only works after selecting english.lng |
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| 23:12:04 | amiconn | It also works if you select deutsch.lang and have a deutsch.voice etc |
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| 23:12:28 | amiconn | This also used to work. It's not really as annoying as the crash though, and probably not too difficult to fix |
| 23:14:00 | amiconn | Unfortunately the backtrace doesn't tell the parameters strcpy() is called with |
| 23:15:28 | kugel | NULL or out-of-bounds most likely |
| 23:15:30 | amiconn | It does point towards problems with memory allocation in tagtree since the buflib move though |
| 23:16:03 | amiconn | Iiuc tagtree_strdup() allocates some memory and stores the string there |
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| 23:19:06 | amiconn | break tagtree.c:278 -> print dest -> $2 = 0x158 <Adddress 0x158 out of bounds> |
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| 23:22:34 | amiconn | No out-of-bounds in an swcodec sim, as expected |
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| 23:23:34 | kugel | tagtree shouldnt be different between those |
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| 23:26:17 | kugel | [Saint]: do you have another zip? |
| 23:26:36 | amiconn | Apart from a few SWCODEC checks for autoresume it isn't |
| 23:26:52 | amiconn | So somehow it is getting a wrong address space from buflib on hwcodec |
| 23:28:47 | [Saint] | kugel: this should fix the icons, and the FFWD/REW "buttons(?)" |
| 23:28:51 | [Saint] | http://www.datafilehost.com/download-184e86af.html |
| 23:28:59 | --> | "ods 200" received from cgthayer (~chatzilla@c-24-7-89-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 23:29:11 | [Saint] | a dedicated iconset for the port is still needed. |
| 23:29:19 | amiconn | It's also voice related, because it doesn't happen if there is no voice file for the current language |
| 23:30:26 | [Saint] | maybe, for the time being, I should include the (possibly slightly too large) iconset from the 480x800 port. |
| 23:31:26 | [Saint] | I'm not 100% certain what "sane" icon sizes are for each port, though. 18x18, ~3-x3-, and ~4-x4- |
| 23:35:19 | kugel | [Saint]: main menu font is too large for my test (however, I'm using my list spacing patch) and I don't like bold generally |
| 23:35:44 | kugel | I dont think a UI should be in bold throughoutly |
| 23:35:51 | [Saint] | It shouldn't be bold. |
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| 23:36:04 | [Saint] | it isn't, in fact. |
| 23:36:15 | kugel | ah it's so big it looks bold |
| 23:36:19 | kugel | but on the wps there's bold |
| 23:36:22 | [Saint] | perhaps you need to re-load the .cfg |
| 23:36:41 | [Saint] | Yeah, the bold in the .wps is intentional. |
| 23:36:56 | amiconn | Ah, talk_init() *is* called before init_tagcache() (within settings_apply() ) - this explains how talking in init_tagcache() works |
| 23:37:11 | [Saint] | and, a 36pt font will look *terrible* with your list patch no doubt. |
| 23:37:14 | amiconn | It also explains how voice can affect tagtree_init() at all |
| 23:37:19 | amiconn | kugel ^ |
| 23:37:52 | kugel | I guess that means I should work on the patch so it's default before your theme goes in then :) |
| 23:38:05 | [Saint] | good luck with that ;) |
| 23:39:44 | kugel | when going back from the playlist viewer the pop doesnt work anymore |
| 23:40:09 | [Saint] | in needs 4 seconds to go false. |
| 23:40:19 | [Saint] | I can (possibly) reduce that value. |
| 23:40:45 | kugel | hm why is that? |
| 23:41:08 | [Saint] | conditions are rechecked when the screen is re-entered. |
| 23:41:14 | [Saint] | I could maybe work around it. |
| 23:41:48 | kugel | the pop up creates an cleared line at the bottom of the aa |
| 23:42:10 | [Saint] | Gah! that bug again. thankyou. |
| 23:42:29 | [Saint] | that's a skin variable bug...which I have NFI how it affects AA. |
| 23:42:54 | [Saint] | fixed. |
| 23:43:07 | [Saint] | (well, worked around with an ugly hack) |
| 23:43:30 | [Saint] | the "fix" for that is Jd's territory. I've just side-stepped it. |
| 23:43:37 | Lalufu | I'm a bit puzzled here. If the GUI is in the main menu, with the cursor on "Files |
| 23:43:47 | kugel | moving X a few lines down? |
| 23:43:59 | [Saint] | kugel: correct. |
| 23:44:08 | Lalufu | ", and I send a BUTTON_RC_PLAY event, the player changes into the file menu, as if I had pressed Select (all this on an iPod) |
| 23:44:11 | Lalufu | any idea why? |
| 23:44:31 | kugel | [Saint]: that's a long standing bug and has to with the draw order I think |
| 23:44:41 | Lalufu | sending BUTTON_RC_PLAY while in playback mode pauses/resumes as expected |
| 23:44:48 | kugel | images are drawn last, except albumart, IIRC |
| 23:45:13 | kugel | AA is only redrawn once in a while |
| 23:45:35 | kugel | I don't know why those empty lines are created though |
| 23:45:41 | [Saint] | kugel: It only seems to be *one* line that does this, the skin variable check/set/increment declarations. |
| 23:45:59 | [Saint] | It took me a *very* long time to convince Jd it wasn't my bug ;) |
| 23:47:02 | [Saint] | I seem to remember he knew why it was happening, but he forgot about it I think, and so did I, because I discovered how to work around it. |
| 23:47:35 | [Saint] | which is "draw more blank lines than the total height of the viewport its declared in" |
| 23:48:19 | [Saint] | so, the draw bug stil happens, but, it happens OOB so you can't see it. |
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