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| 00:11:00 | kugel | amiconn: I wasn't very sure if it's 100% correct, but then I was never sure within mpeg.c |
| 00:11:19 | kugel | it's at least very similar to playback.c |
| 00:11:25 | kugel | so I guess yes |
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| 00:13:06 | amiconn | It still doesn't fix hwcodec completely, as there's the freeze, but that looks like something going wrong later in the boot sequence |
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| 01:59:22 | saratoga | alright i'm about to lose my mind over these stupid c multidimentional arrays |
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| 02:00:15 | saratoga | a struct has member "(*sbsample_prev)[2][36][32] " |
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| 02:00:20 | saratoga | how the hell do i iterate over this |
| 02:00:36 | JdGordon | :O |
| 02:01:16 | saratoga | i tried *(struct_name -> sbsample_prev)[x][y][z] but that didn't seem to work |
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| 02:09:01 | saratoga | yeah the above definitely extends outside the bounds of the source array, although i'm not sure i understand why |
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| 02:12:15 | funman | saratoga: looks ok |
| 02:12:35 | funman | what type is it? (i wonder why you use * to dereference) |
| 02:13:21 | saratoga | its the mad_frame struct from apps/codecs/libmad/frame.h |
| 02:14:05 | saratoga | doing it in multiple steps (assinging a series of derefenced pointers ) seemed to work |
| 02:14:12 | saratoga | so i guess it was bad parenthesis placement |
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| 04:28:59 | [Saint_AndChat] | Turns our there is something about the position / whatever of Google music beta's offline cache that raaa doesn't like. |
| 04:29:51 | [Saint_AndChat] | Symlinking it to /sdcard/my documents qorkes fine and the database picked it up. |
| 04:30:14 | [Saint_AndChat] | *works fine, too. |
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| 06:16:54 | [Saint_AndChat] | Cough...bitmap scrollbars with support for transparency, cough... |
| 06:17:25 | [Saint_AndChat] | Then, I could do an "Android " scrillbar :) |
| 06:17:39 | [Saint_AndChat] | Scrollbar, even. |
| 06:18:22 | JdGordon | bitmap scrollbars "should" work with skinned lists |
| 06:18:27 | JdGordon | %LB |
| 06:19:44 | [Saint_AndChat] | Hmmmmmm. Can I *just* specify a scrollbar in the ui viewport and let the core draw the lists? |
| 06:20:05 | JdGordon | I cant remember, I dont tinhk it's hooked up to work |
| 06:20:30 | JdGordon | offline cache not working is pretty curious though... |
| 06:20:37 | [Saint_AndChat] | Also, does it respect the scrollbar configuration settings? I can't force it in the default theme. |
| 06:20:54 | JdGordon | if you've got the sim going it would be worth recreating the directory structure and seeing if it barfs |
| 06:21:05 | [Saint_AndChat] | I'd like to do it this way, but it needs to respect the scrollbar settings. |
| 06:21:05 | JdGordon | nope |
| 06:21:52 | JdGordon | my view is that themes should completly ignore user settings, possibly add some configuration in the form of skin vars/settings but ignore the inbuilt settings |
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| 06:22:10 | [Saint_AndChat] | JdGordon: it worked qhen I symlinked it to another location |
| 06:22:18 | [Saint_AndChat] | Really: offline cache. |
| 06:22:26 | [Saint_AndChat] | *re |
| 06:22:47 | JdGordon | right, so its probaly the foo.blaa.google.sutip.derrrr.here path :) |
| 06:23:32 | [Saint_AndChat] | That was my initial thought, but I was told that wouldn't be it by the db gurus. |
| 06:23:59 | JdGordon | hook up the debugger and see what happens, i.e trust noone! |
| 06:24:36 | [Saint_AndChat] | Ill poke it in a similar tonight, and hope I get some decent debug output. |
| 06:24:56 | [Saint_AndChat] | I suspect u should if I enable metadata logging. |
| 06:25:01 | [Saint_AndChat] | *I |
| 06:25:21 | JdGordon | yep, that could very quickly tell you whats happening |
| 06:25:26 | JdGordon | you could even do that now :) |
| 06:25:49 | [Saint_AndChat] | I can sethe problem is, it doesn't barf, it just completely ignores this sir. |
| 06:25:54 | [Saint_AndChat] | *sir |
| 06:26:00 | [Saint_AndChat] | Bah! |
| 06:26:07 | [Saint_AndChat] | Dir |
| 06:27:38 | JdGordon | my db creation just gave up at 35537 files... |
| 06:27:54 | [Saint_AndChat] | I didn't try just renaming it yet. Ill try that on MT phone bow after I put something back in the cache. |
| 06:28:08 | [Saint_AndChat] | *my phone. |
| 06:28:19 | JdGordon | grr... no metadata log file created |
| 06:29:33 | [Saint_AndChat] | <sad trombone > |
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| 07:05:40 | saratoga | i'm trying to compile my .S function and .c testdriver, whats the gcc command for the .S files |
| 07:05:50 | saratoga | or is it smart enough to figure out what to do from the file extension |
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| 07:36:02 | ukleinek | saratoga: usually it is |
| 07:36:35 | ukleinek | saratoga: -x c is to force C syntax, don't know what you need to pass instead of 'c' for assembler |
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| 08:45:38 | polemon | I repaired a iPod nano 2g theme |
| 08:46:08 | polemon | I was wondering, I have some files with UTF-8 characters in their names, how can I display them with RockBox? |
| 08:46:24 | JdGordon | use a font with the needed glyphs |
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| 08:46:46 | polemon | erm, ok, but I don't quite know which font that would be |
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| 08:47:06 | JdGordon | rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ |
| 08:47:21 | polemon | oooh, nice |
| 08:47:22 | polemon | thanks |
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| 08:48:23 | JdGordon | there is also a codepage setting but I'm not entirely sure when you need to fiddle with that and when you don't |
| 08:48:39 | JdGordon | speaking of which, why is that in Display settings? surely its a system setting? |
| 08:48:54 | CIA-14 | New commit by zagor (r30605): Use another GNU mirror while kernel.org is down. |
| 08:50:47 | CIA-14 | r30605 build result: All green |
| 08:51:14 | polemon | I just need my japanese songs to be displayed correctly ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 08:51:34 | polemon | I need to change some fonts in my theme *grml* |
| 08:52:01 | JdGordon | not necessarily |
| 08:52:19 | JdGordon | most themes use the system font, so just change it in settings |
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| 08:53:40 | polemon | didn't help, I've chosen fonts with no coverage vor Kana |
| 08:53:48 | polemon | and/or Kanji |
| 08:53:50 | ukleinek | polemon: settings -> Display -> something |
| 08:53:53 | polemon | I did |
| 08:53:56 | polemon | didn't help |
| 08:54:39 | polemon | default codepage is UTF-8 now |
| 08:54:43 | * | ukleinek wants a setting: utf-8 with latin1 fallback |
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| 08:54:51 | ukleinek | polemon: is it really utf-8? |
| 08:54:55 | polemon | yes |
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| 08:56:29 | JdGordon | hmm, we really should have a theme setting for "16pt font" instead of specifiying it in the skin file |
| 08:58:13 | JdGordon | I think skins will need a preprocessor to do that in a sane way :) |
| 08:59:20 | [Saint] | "most themes use the system font"? |
| 08:59:26 | JdGordon | [Saint]: what do you tihnk about a fonts definition file to do this? |
| 08:59:47 | [Saint] | come again? |
| 08:59:49 | JdGordon | so you'd use %FL(16-custom) which would look up that file to egt the actual font to use |
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| 09:00:10 | [Saint] | What's wrong with the way its done now? |
| 09:00:45 | JdGordon | someone might want to use a font which doesnt have the chars the font from the skin uses |
| 09:00:48 | kugel | [Saint]: did you see that I posted a list spacing patch with setting? |
| 09:01:39 | kugel | JdGordon: are we now making up use cases? or did someone really ask for this? |
| 09:02:04 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Then its simple enough (IMO) to edit the theme file if the theme is using additional fonts. |
| 09:02:11 | [Saint] | And if its not, its even simpler still. |
| 09:02:27 | JdGordon | forcing the user to modify the theme sucks |
| 09:02:32 | [Saint] | Though...what's your proposal? |
| 09:02:44 | [Saint] | Wouldn;t they need to edit a font list, anyway? |
| 09:02:54 | JdGordon | which is a once off thing |
| 09:03:03 | [Saint] | So's editing the theme ;) |
| 09:03:20 | JdGordon | themes generally need to just specify the font height, the actual font comes down to personal preference |
| 09:03:28 | JdGordon | ah but themes get overwritten |
| 09:04:37 | [Saint] | How would this work with themes that *do* define an additonal font, or fonts? |
| 09:04:45 | [Saint] | That gets ignored? |
| 09:05:23 | JdGordon | potentially yes |
| 09:05:26 | JdGordon | though probably not |
| 09:05:40 | kugel | IMO the font is part of the theme |
| 09:06:11 | kugel | just look at gevaerts' medieval theme |
| 09:06:50 | [Saint] | I'm of the same opinion, but, I wouldn;t mind a way to specify multiple fonts, and offer a way to choose between them. |
| 09:07:24 | [Saint] | a theme is useless if the font doesn't have the chars needed for <lang X> |
| 09:07:55 | ukleinek | the obvious solution is that the language must be part of the theme, too :-) |
| 09:08:10 | ukleinek | ah, or fix the font |
| 09:08:16 | [Saint] | ...that's effen stupid, sorry ukleinek ;) |
| 09:08:18 | kugel | yes! especially considering rtl langs :) |
| 09:08:48 | JdGordon | [Saint]: yes, the theme is useless without the required glphys, and yes using a different font will change the look, but pretty sure users would go for the latter given the options |
| 09:08:52 | [Saint] | lang specific themes is just....well, yes. lets not go there ;) |
| 09:09:00 | polemon | ok, I switched the fonts in my theme, that cover my glyph supplement! |
| 09:09:03 | polemon | all is good now! |
| 09:09:31 | polemon | GNU Unifont is quite awesome! |
| 09:09:43 | [Saint] | and UGLY! ;) |
| 09:09:51 | [Saint] | and *massive*. |
| 09:10:10 | polemon | well, just for track title, it´s OK |
| 09:10:35 | polemon | I use Nimbus wherever I display small latin letters and numerals only |
| 09:11:25 | polemon | And I have to use Sazanami-Mincho |
| 09:11:43 | [Saint] | JdGordon: I'm still not sure how this would work. How would the font be selected? |
| 09:11:43 | JdGordon | and remember to not update the theme :) |
| 09:11:45 | polemon | which isn't exactly a nice font either, but it supports my glyph supplement |
| 09:12:14 | polemon | JdGordon: It's actually an old, broken theme |
| 09:12:39 | polemon | I made it work correctly again, something changed with the theme api in the last year or two, obviouslz |
| 09:12:56 | [Saint] | several somethings. |
| 09:12:56 | polemon | and some old themes for iPod nano 2g don't work anymore |
| 09:13:03 | * | [Saint] assumes this is a touchscreen theme? |
| 09:13:09 | JdGordon | [Saint]: probably a "set as <size> favorite" context menu item which would write it to the custom_font.txt file, then themes would just use %FL(<size>) |
| 09:13:12 | polemon | nope |
| 09:13:20 | polemon | it was called nClix |
| 09:13:56 | polemon | I plan to repair at least Electric Bars Of Colour and Cabbiev 3 |
| 09:14:25 | polemon | you guys should better work on porting RockBox to newer iPod nano's ;) |
| 09:14:39 | JdGordon | this would of course rely on the user not being a dunce and selecting a 48-pt font for their 16-pt favorite :) |
| 09:15:14 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Changing the size of the font can fuck up a theme massively. I'd go for being able to select different fotns of the same height, but being able to specifiy a different height is a broken idea IMO. |
| 09:15:28 | [Saint] | I know this can be done now with some themes, but a smart themer can prevent this. |
| 09:15:32 | JdGordon | you've misunderstodd my suggestion |
| 09:16:19 | JdGordon | the theme shold say "Use a 16pt font, i dont care which, just pick one", the user choose "16-wingdings", it magically works |
| 09:16:48 | polemon | people! |
| 09:16:54 | JdGordon | not here... no |
| 09:16:55 | polemon | swtich to open type fonts! |
| 09:17:16 | polemon | Linux-Libertine and Linux-Biolinum! |
| 09:17:22 | [Saint] | Well, the theme should say "use this specific font, of this size, but allow fonts of <this size> to be put in its place". |
| 09:17:41 | JdGordon | same thing |
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| 09:17:42 | [Saint] | *<this size and smaller> |
| 09:17:55 | JdGordon | that could be added completly transparently |
| 09:18:41 | JdGordon | and with special handling for bold also |
| 09:19:04 | [Saint] | It could be useful, but, I can't think of a sane way to deal with themes that use multiple different fonts of the same height. |
| 09:19:24 | [Saint] | I guess it'd just need to replace them all. |
| 09:19:37 | [Saint] | Otherwise it'd get far too complex. |
| 09:19:46 | JdGordon | true |
| 09:20:00 | JdGordon | most places the font is used the actual style doesnt matter |
| 09:20:14 | JdGordon | %FL could get a "FORCE" param to bypass the magic |
| 09:20:47 | [Saint] | kugel: Whoops, sorry...highlight doesn't appear to be working. What params does this setting have? |
| 09:21:02 | [Saint] | A simple on/off, or a value? |
| 09:21:23 | * | [Saint] would prefer the latter, personally. |
| 09:21:53 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:22:02 | [Saint] | Something like: "Settings - Display Settings - List Padding: 0,1,2,3,4..." |
| 09:22:48 | kugel | auto, off, 2,4,6,... |
| 09:23:34 | [Saint] | Right, cool. I've no problems with it. I missed you pasting the patch I'm afraid. Sorry about that. |
| 09:23:51 | [Saint] | My main concerns were it being a: forced, and b: non-configurable. |
| 09:24:06 | [Saint] | Neither of those are an issue now. |
| 09:24:56 | kugel | [Saint]: http://pastie.org/2590041 |
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| 09:45:56 | [Saint] | kugel: Did you have any more feedback for me regarding the last .zip I got you to test? |
| 09:46:23 | [Saint] | I'll be switching around some font alignment shortly, and putting a new version on the tracker this evening. |
| 09:46:49 | kugel | there was something... |
| 09:47:15 | kugel | ah yes, the rew/ffwd buttons don't do rew/ffwd. they move the cursor in the list |
| 09:47:37 | [Saint] | By tonight I should (hopefully) have the niggles in the graphics for your port sorted out (they were jsut quick resized images, for testing's sake), and have the titlebar using the .lang strings. |
| 09:48:17 | [Saint] | Oh...whoops, yes. I thought I disabled that. There was some reason why (you'd have to ask JdGordon) FFWD/REW isn't possible in the .sbs |
| 09:48:34 | [Saint] | JdGordon: ^? |
| 09:49:07 | kugel | for the graphics, IMO the grey of the image's background is a bit too light. I know there's two versions of the grey over all cabbie images |
| 09:49:37 | [Saint] | Maybe that's a legacy, and its simply not enabled, I'm not sure. But the touch actions for FFWD/REW shouldn't be there. I'll remove them. |
| 09:49:40 | kugel | IIRC ffwd/rew actions were added |
| 09:50:29 | [Saint] | FFWD/REW has never worked in the .sbs to my knowledge. |
| 09:50:35 | kugel | wps_prev/wps_next |
| 09:51:01 | [Saint] | That's the one's I'm using. |
| 09:51:07 | kugel | that should work for skipping, not seeking at least |
| 09:51:11 | [Saint] | and they move the cursor. |
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| 09:51:23 | kugel | then it's buggy I guess |
| 09:51:59 | [Saint] | Its never worked for seeking, I seem to recall there being a reason for this described to me. I'm not sure if its still valid though. |
| 09:52:18 | kugel | i think you can only seek in the wps |
| 09:52:29 | kugel | but skip works everywhere |
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| 09:54:01 | kugel | [Saint]: GodEater made some comments about your theme |
| 09:54:19 | [Saint] | Also, when you say "the backgroud images", I take it you mean the "off/unused" state for the icons such as FFWD/REW (when stopped), shuffle, repeat, etc. ? |
| 09:54:35 | kugel | fwiw, I find the titlebar a waste of space |
| 09:55:12 | [Saint] | better used by....? Its needed for the softlock, also. |
| 09:55:29 | kugel | an additional list item |
| 09:55:33 | kugel | or even two |
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| 09:56:17 | kugel | softlock is also rather useless as you mentioned yourself several times :) |
| 09:56:50 | [Saint] | Its quite useful. |
| 09:56:53 | kugel | it's ok in the wps. but IMO not needed in the menus |
| 09:57:03 | [Saint] | that's good, its not in the menus ;) |
| 09:57:07 | [Saint] | you should know that. |
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| 09:57:36 | [Saint] | When and where did God_Eater comment about the theme? |
| 09:57:39 | kugel | I meant the titlebar |
| 09:57:48 | [Saint] | Its not on the tracker, so, I'll ignore it for now ;) |
| 09:59:18 | kugel | the titlebar is ok in the wps, but IMO not needed in the menus (just so it's clear) |
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| 09:59:46 | [Saint] | Its needed as a button, you didn't think of that. |
| 09:59:56 | kugel | what button? |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:00 | God_Eater | [Saint]: my comments were "I've not used it" - do you *want* me to put that in the tracker? It doesn't seem right to do so to be honest. |
| 10:00:00 | [Saint] | its actually two buttons. |
| 10:00:42 | [Saint] | God_Eater: Apologies, kugel made it seem as though you'd said something of importance. |
| 10:00:51 | kugel | God_Eater: oh sorry, I misinterpreted "not since the first time I tried it and didn't like the WPS changes" then :) |
| 10:01:37 | [Saint] | I was fairly certain you did some initial testing for me... |
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| 10:01:56 | God_Eater | [Saint]: I tried it *once* |
| 10:01:56 | JdGordon | [Saint]: isnt the region action wps_next/prev there? |
| 10:02:00 | JdGordon | or something like that? |
| 10:02:27 | kugel | [Saint]: it seems to do the same as the standard titlebar |
| 10:02:30 | [Saint] | JdGordon: Yeah, but in the .sbs it moves the cursor. |
| 10:02:34 | God_Eater | the point I was making to kugel was you seemed to have said to him that my lack of feedback to you was indicative of me accepting some feature or other of your theme. |
| 10:02:38 | JdGordon | wps_next shouldnt |
| 10:02:50 | God_Eater | and I was saying "it can't be - because the reason I've said nothing is because I've barely used it" |
| 10:03:47 | [Saint] | kugel: Its quickscreen, and menu. |
| 10:04:16 | [Saint] | without it, you'd be fucked for a quickscreen and a way to get back to the main menu if you had no HW keys. |
| 10:04:19 | kugel | it's not quick screen |
| 10:04:25 | kugel | not in this version at least |
| 10:04:43 | kugel | and the standard titlebar does menu |
| 10:04:46 | JdGordon | [Saint]: yeah wps_next and wps_prev |
| 10:04:58 | [Saint] | JdGordon: that's what I'm using. |
| 10:05:06 | [Saint] | they only move the cursor in the .sbs |
| 10:05:21 | JdGordon | I don't believe you |
| 10:05:29 | JdGordon | :) |
| 10:05:35 | [Saint] | Try it ;) |
| 10:06:21 | kugel | [Saint]: in my sbs you use prev/rew |
| 10:06:36 | kugel | ffwd/rew* |
| 10:06:48 | JdGordon | [Saint]: short press of << and >> work fine for me :) ) |
| 10:06:52 | JdGordon | -) |
| 10:06:54 | [Saint] | well, that's an error. Apoligies. |
| 10:07:10 | [Saint] | right, so that explains that. |
| 10:07:28 | JdGordon | long press moves the cursor though |
| 10:07:56 | [Saint] | Just so I'm clear, is FFWD/REW expected to work in the .sbs? |
| 10:08:16 | [Saint] | ...it'd be really nice if it did. |
| 10:08:20 | JdGordon | no |
| 10:08:29 | JdGordon | it can be added |
| 10:08:35 | JdGordon | im not sure how easily thouhg |
| 10:08:41 | [Saint] | Right. |
| 10:09:20 | [Saint] | Its not essential, as there'd be no easy way to see where you were seeking to/from, but, it'd be a nice feature. |
| 10:09:59 | [Saint] | I'd add a seek bar on ffwd/rew, but the UI viewport doesn't cope well with dynamic resizing. |
| 10:10:27 | [Saint] | It seems to need a fullscreen redraw to be triggered, or you get leftovers onscreen. |
| 10:10:55 | kugel | I thought viewport.c clears leftovers |
| 10:11:19 | * | kugel wonders if [Saint] wants to comment on the menu/qs button remark |
| 10:12:20 | [Saint] | kugel: Whoops, I thought I did. It seems I copied it over from the .wps and forget to change the touchscreen area. It supposed to be quickscreen on long_press. |
| 10:12:50 | [Saint] | without that, there's no way to get to the quickscreen from the .sbs. |
| 10:13:17 | kugel | so, the titlebar is just for the quickscreen? |
| 10:13:35 | [Saint] | quickscreen and return to main menu. |
| 10:13:41 | kugel | could add that behavior to the stock list title |
| 10:14:08 | kugel | the list title already does that. the list title icon even goes back |
| 10:15:43 | gevaerts | JdGordon: I noticed yesterday that %ss doesn't seem to handle more than one tag inside it. I guess that's not easy to fix? |
| 10:17:04 | JdGordon | what second trag do you want to use? |
| 10:18:01 | gevaerts | I wanted to pad things, basically. I suspect I might want a "rotate this text" tag instead... |
| 10:18:12 | JdGordon | gevaerts: i tinhk a better way to get another tags value is going to be needed, in general making one tag accept another is simple |
| 10:18:23 | * | gevaerts nods |
| 10:19:09 | kugel | [Saint]: so if we added the quickscreen to the list title, the titlebar wouldnt be needed as button, right? |
| 10:19:26 | gevaerts | A concatenate tag would be reasonably easy to do, but the question is if we want that. If we then get "proper" support, we end up with a *really* useless tag to keep around forever |
| 10:20:25 | kugel | another one, you mean? :) |
| 10:20:40 | [Saint] | kugel: Technically, yes. But, I happen to quite like the titlebar and don't see the need for more room in the lists. Perhaps you do, as you seem to need gigantic lists as your monkey fingers can't seem to manipulate them ;) |
| 10:20:58 | * | kugel has tiny fingers |
| 10:21:15 | gevaerts | kugel: most of the others provide a different way of doing things. This one would literally be "Strip it, and you won't notice the difference" |
| 10:21:15 | JdGordon | gevaerts: you want to rot13 your tags? |
| 10:21:30 | gevaerts | JdGordon: not rot13. Rotate the positions |
| 10:22:42 | JdGordon | positions of what? |
| 10:22:50 | gevaerts | What I was trying to do is put lots of scrolling lines under each other, in a one-character-wide viewport. If those scrolling lines have substrings of your string in them starting from increasing offsets, you get (for a while) a nice vertical scrolling text. The problem is that it gets out of sync because those substrings aren't the same length |
| 10:23:17 | gevaerts | JdGordon: basically I want "rockbox" to become "ockboxr", or "ckboxro" |
| 10:23:35 | JdGordon | you need to either share or stop smoking! |
| 10:23:38 | gevaerts | Now of course this is really a dirty hack to achieve that goal... |
| 10:23:54 | [Saint] | I thought *I* was the king of dirty hacks. |
| 10:24:04 | [Saint] | but, that's a pretty good one GeekShadow ;) |
| 10:24:13 | [Saint] | errr, gevaerts even. |
| 10:25:05 | gevaerts | gevaerts/test.zip">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/test.zip |
| 10:25:11 | gevaerts | For c200, sbs only |
| 10:25:30 | gevaerts | Graphics are *ugly* |
| 10:25:49 | [Saint] | Couldn't you do it *just* with alternating sublines, and no other magic? |
| 10:26:43 | [Saint] | yes, yes you could. |
| 10:28:55 | [Saint] | You'd need 7 alternating sublines, in a one px wide viewport. |
| 10:29:09 | gevaerts | JdGordon: that reminds me, scrolling and skinned lists behave weirdly together I think |
| 10:29:21 | gevaerts | I need to investigate a bit further though |
| 10:29:30 | JdGordon | need more input |
| 10:30:48 | gevaerts | Yes, I know. I just wanted to warn you of a possible upcoming bug report :) I haven't ruled out user error yet |
| 10:40:48 | [Saint] | gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/fmryAYiz |
| 10:40:55 | [Saint] | alternating sublines, no other magic. |
| 10:41:54 | [Saint] | (just fixed a small error) |
| 10:42:11 | * | [Saint] likes getting bash to work out things for him. |
| 10:42:41 | [Saint] | unless I'm *really* mistaken, that should do exactly what you want it to do. |
| 10:43:04 | [Saint] | it would be trivial to reverse the order, also. |
| 10:45:21 | [Saint] | I may, or may not, have messed it up, I'l admit to not having tested it...but you can see what I'm going for. |
| 10:46:50 | Bagder | there, I've wanted to express that for a while and now I said it! |
| 10:48:50 | [Saint] | http://pastebin.com/hAz0j4LA <−− gevaerts |
| 10:49:20 | [Saint] | That should actually work properly. I missed a line, to add the space. |
| 10:52:27 | JdGordon | *why*? |
| 10:54:41 | [Saint] | It needs no additional magic, or yet another additional tag to achieve. |
| 10:55:19 | [Saint] | I think sometimes people need to look at ways of doing things with what they have, when its already possible, rather than adding a milion tags ;) |
| 10:55:54 | [Saint] | There may be a smiley there, but I'm completely serious. |
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| 11:00:00 | [Saint] | there was a theme, many moons ago. A text only theme called "ROFLcopter (iirc) that did something incredibly similar....with the entire screen. |
| 11:05:22 | Lalufu | Zagor: the new download link for gcc-core 404s |
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| 11:06:24 | Lalufu | looks like there's a /releases/ missing in the path |
| 11:06:34 | Zagor | Lalufu: thanks, checking |
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| 11:13:34 | polemon | when making themes, is it OK, to package the fonts I need with the theme? |
| 11:13:59 | God_Eater | depends on the license of the font |
| 11:14:54 | polemon | it's one of the fonts that's avilable with the RockBox font packs |
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| 11:15:34 | God_Eater | polemon: that should be fine then |
| 11:15:40 | polemon | ok, great |
| 11:16:08 | polemon | I just want to make sure, the theme is displayed correctly, etc... |
| 11:19:17 | [Saint] | Its not advised to do so. |
| 11:19:44 | [Saint] | The fonts get updated, and if a user installs the font pack, then your theme, it may downgrade the font. |
| 11:19:47 | [Saint] | so, don't. |
| 11:20:08 | [Saint] | Just advise in the comments that the fontpack is needed for the theme to function. |
| 11:20:25 | JdGordon | on the topic of silly themes... there is a clip theme with pacman as the progressbar |
| 11:20:30 | JdGordon | it is *AWESOME* |
| 11:20:51 | [Saint] | polemon: ^ |
| 11:21:03 | [Saint] | (that was for you, btw, I forgot to highlight you) |
| 11:21:32 | [Saint] | SO yes, please don't include the fonts in your theme if they are already part of the fontpack. |
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| 11:22:55 | JdGordon | the themesite rejects it if it is in the fontpack iirc |
| 11:23:05 | [Saint] | AH, good to know. |
| 11:23:29 | [Saint] | Guess he'll find out if he hasn't seen my post already. |
| 11:28:54 | JdGordon | Zagor: I've been saying from the begining that RaaA doesnt make much sense and concentrating on splitting the playback engine out and putting a native ui on the top of that makes much more sense |
| 11:28:58 | JdGordon | but bleh |
| 11:29:19 | Bagder | I agree with that |
| 11:29:44 | JdGordon | wtachi's gsoc should have kick started that but apparently didnt get much interest |
| 11:29:56 | Llorean | Isn't that why we had that GSoC? |
| 11:30:01 | Zagor | JdGordon: is he done? |
| 11:30:02 | Llorean | For projects more or less like that? |
| 11:30:31 | Zagor | it's a monolith task, pretty much. before there's a basic lib there's not much anyone else can do. |
| 11:30:34 | [Saint] | Even after the split...someone still needs to do the native UI. |
| 11:30:42 | JdGordon | Zagor: iiuc he got pretty far but seems to have dissapeared |
| 11:30:43 | [Saint] | And I never saw/heard anyone step up for that. |
| 11:33:35 | [Saint] | "Perhaps a reasonable middle ground is to release the current android app on our homepage, for manual installation by early adopters." <−− I'd like to see that. |
| 11:33:38 | Zagor | [Saint]: well it becomes a lot more interesting once it *can* be done. investing a lot of work speculatively is not that fun. |
| 11:34:08 | [Saint] | Without blowing my own horn (I know there's room for improvement) I think the only reason a user would get a poor opinion of Rockbox is if it were to not include my theme work. |
| 11:34:36 | [Saint] | I'm the first to admit it looks like ass without it. |
| 11:34:59 | Zagor | where do I download it? |
| 11:35:06 | [Saint] | The tracker. |
| 11:35:15 | [Saint] | One sec. |
| 11:35:47 | [Saint] | Zagor: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12254 |
| 11:36:02 | [Saint] | I have 240x320, 320x480, and 480x800 ports. |
| 11:36:26 | kugel | what happened about wtachi? |
| 11:36:33 | [Saint] | I'm approximately an hour or so away from posting a reasonably large cleanup of images and code. |
| 11:36:39 | kugel | neither he or his mentor said anything about the outcome of his project |
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| 11:37:37 | [Saint] | I was under the impression he'd finished. |
| 11:37:45 | [Saint] | (the project, I mean) |
| 11:38:23 | [Saint] | Guess I was mistaken. I seem to recall that he had success in splitting out the playback engine. |
| 11:39:21 | JdGordon | thats what i understood too |
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| 11:46:42 | kugel | most of his work is not comitted however |
| 11:47:04 | kugel | whether or not he was successful is determined, why can't anyone just make a statement? |
| 11:47:36 | * | [Saint] parse fails. |
| 11:48:34 | [Saint] | kugel: Are you going to commit the configurable list spacing? |
| 11:48:50 | kugel | i wanted to put it on the tracker first |
| 11:49:02 | [Saint] | Ah, right. Fair enough. |
| 11:49:31 | LinusN | where can i find a .apk to try? |
| 11:49:48 | [Saint] | One second LinusN |
| 11:49:55 | JdGordon | rasher.dk/rockbox/ |
| 11:49:58 | LinusN | ah |
| 11:49:59 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12254 |
| 11:50:02 | [Saint] | Awww... |
| 11:50:04 | [Saint] | ;) |
| 11:50:05 | Lalufu | If i see the following in an objdump of an ARM object file, what does the ! signify? |
| 11:50:08 | Lalufu | 54: e5a4200c str r2, [r4, #12]! |
| 11:50:22 | [Saint] | rasher.dk/rockbox/android/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/android/ |
| 11:50:32 | [Saint] | right, correct link ;) |
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| 11:51:24 | kugel | Lalufu: I think post increment of r4, but you better google for it |
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| 11:53:32 | Zagor | [Saint]: I agree, your theme makes a huge difference |
| 11:53:46 | [Saint] | Thanks, I appreciate that immensely. |
| 11:54:07 | Bagder | FWIW, I think I'm in kugel's camp: release the darn thing already on the market |
| 11:54:29 | Zagor | I think the button row is too cramped though. I'd prefer just << || >> there and have repeat and shuffle on the wps only |
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| 11:54:50 | JdGordon | agreed |
| 11:54:52 | Bagder | I think we need to ignore the risk of ruining the first impression and instead try to get more eyes and users |
| 11:54:54 | Zagor | and ideally volume as a popup, the android way. |
| 11:55:12 | JdGordon | noo... we dont want users, especially not android users :'( |
| 11:55:23 | [Saint] | I'd like to do it as a popup also, but the UI viewport doesn't like being drawn over. |
| 11:55:30 | Bagder | well, users that write java apps for android =) |
| 11:55:39 | Bagder | and who wants to fix our minor quirks |
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| 11:57:14 | [Saint] | Am I really the only one that thinks playback control shouldn't be limited to the .wps only? |
| 11:57:18 | [Saint] | *shrug* |
| 11:57:32 | Lalufu | kugel: reading further down the code you seem to be right. #12 is implicitly added to r4 |
| 11:57:36 | [Saint] | I'm irked by the fact that you can't seek in the .sbs |
| 11:57:43 | Lalufu | now that's a neat trick. |
| 11:57:45 | JdGordon | [Saint]: I'm worried about accidental presses |
| 11:57:48 | Zagor | [Saint]: no, I like the << || >> buttons being everywhere. I just don't thing shuffle and repeat needs to. |
| 11:59:06 | kugel | shuffle and repeat needn't even be in the wps if you ask me |
| 11:59:08 | LinusN | note to self: throw away my crappy HTC Desire |
| 11:59:08 | Zagor | we need to fix some strings too. "Reboot to enable" isn't a useful instruction from the database |
| 11:59:40 | kugel | Zagor: I have a patch somewhere to make it work without reboot |
| 11:59:41 | [Saint] | LinusN: You can throw it in my direction, I just bricked my Galaxy today ;) |
| 11:59:50 | Zagor | kugel: commit! :) |
| 11:59:59 | kugel | just need to mature the other "reclaim free buflib space for audio" before |
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| 12:00:01 | LinusN | [Saint]: ouch |
| 12:00:16 | [Saint] | The joys of custom ROMs :D |
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| 12:49:21 | polemon | when I want to submit a theme, do I have to make the screenschots myself? |
| 12:49:31 | [Saint] | Yes. |
| 12:49:37 | polemon | drat! |
| 12:49:50 | [Saint] | There's a screenshot function in ROckbox. |
| 12:50:02 | polemon | O_O |
| 12:50:06 | polemon | where? |
| 12:50:07 | [Saint] | Just enable it, and it'll take a screenshot whever you plug USB |
| 12:50:21 | [Saint] | Its in the Debug (Keep Out!) menu |
| 12:50:33 | polemon | ah, never looked in there before |
| 12:54:58 | polemon | were there iPod nano's 2g with FM tuners? |
| 12:55:07 | [Saint] | No. |
| 12:55:36 | [Saint] | Not built in, anyway. None of the Nanos had FM until the 4G |
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| 13:15:24 | kugel | [Saint]: perhaps you can play with the patch's auto setting to get a spacing which is reasonable for you |
| 13:16:09 | kugel | in list.c there's a forumla (dpi*4/11). I made it so it's comparable to androids item size |
| 13:18:04 | [Saint] | I'm not sure its possible to do so for all devices. |
| 13:18:59 | [Saint] | for 240x320, to fit the main menu in without scrolling it, you pretty much want no padding at all with a 28px font. |
| 13:19:09 | [Saint] | (and that's very usable for me also) |
| 13:19:25 | kugel | fit with or without your theme? |
| 13:19:41 | [Saint] | the later |
| 13:19:46 | [Saint] | *latter too. |
| 13:21:43 | kugel | that can't be true |
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| 13:22:33 | kugel | you have 40px per item (320px / 7 items + 1 list title) |
| 13:23:07 | kugel | but with my patch there's probably scrolling indeed |
| 13:24:17 | [Saint] | Yes, I was talking about with your patch. Not without. |
| 13:24:37 | [Saint] | the UI viewport for 240x320 is ~270px iirc |
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| 13:25:39 | kugel | without your theme there is no ui viewport |
| 13:26:23 | [Saint] | Right...but it looks like ass. |
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| 13:26:39 | [Saint] | No, sorry, it looks like concentrated ass. |
| 13:26:56 | kugel | :? |
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| 13:27:57 | kugel | anyway, this patch isnt about how it looks |
| 13:29:10 | [Saint] | What's the default setting, of you inteded patch? |
| 13:29:20 | * | [Saint] crosses his fingers and hopes for "off". |
| 13:29:44 | [Saint] | errr, "0", rather. |
| 13:30:28 | kugel | auto of course |
| 13:30:43 | [Saint] | Please no. |
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| 13:30:44 | kugel | I don' |
| 13:30:54 | kugel | I don't make a usability patch and default to unusable |
| 13:31:08 | [Saint] | Let the theme handle it, and let users use this setting *if* they don't think its sufficient. |
| 13:31:27 | kugel | the patch has no means to let themes not handle it |
| 13:32:07 | [Saint] | by :let the theme handle it", I mean, let the spacing provided by the theme be the "default", and the setting off. |
| 13:32:17 | [Saint] | Users can change the setting *if* they want/need to. |
| 13:32:48 | kugel | I don't make a usability patch and default to unusable |
| 13:33:00 | [Saint] | If its committed before the theme is (almost certainly will be), then fine. When the theme's committed, it needs to default off. |
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| 13:33:09 | kugel | it's NOT a theme issue |
| 13:33:20 | [Saint] | As it seriously fucks up the look of the theme. |
| 13:33:32 | [Saint] | and yes, it is a theme issue. |
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| 13:33:59 | [Saint] | Its a setting for if the theme isn;t sufficient for some...I fail to see why you can't see that. |
| 13:34:28 | [Saint] | the theme provides list spacing, the core shouldn;t add additional spacing by default. |
| 13:34:33 | [Saint] | its just wrong to do so. |
| 13:34:33 | JdGordon | I still have massive reservations against this patch... but what the fuck does my opinion matter? |
| 13:34:46 | JdGordon | seen as im th eonly one doing active ui work </bitch> |
| 13:35:04 | [Saint] | JdGordon: I do too...but, I'm not going to win against it not getting in, so I need to at least be happy with it. |
| 13:36:36 | kugel | [Saint]: the core should be usable by default. no spacing is unusable for me |
| 13:36:48 | JdGordon | *for me* |
| 13:36:56 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 13:36:57 | JdGordon | since when are you the only user thaat matters? |
| 13:37:05 | God_Eater | he isn't the only one |
| 13:37:08 | God_Eater | I agree with him |
| 13:37:26 | kugel | JdGordon: I remember you saying too that the lists are too small in svn |
| 13:37:50 | [Saint] | God_Eater: Didn't you say "that's hideous" when my theme and that patch conflicted? |
| 13:38:04 | God_Eater | [Saint]: but I also don't like how your theme looks without it |
| 13:38:09 | [Saint] | I assumed that's what you were referrign to. |
| 13:38:13 | God_Eater | it's still too cramped |
| 13:38:36 | [Saint] | God_Eater: Right, I think it should default to off, and let a user specify the spacing if needed. |
| 13:38:43 | God_Eater | no |
| 13:38:49 | God_Eater | absolutely not |
| 13:38:54 | kugel | it should default to auto, if it |
| 13:38:55 | God_Eater | that means the default is unusable |
| 13:38:56 | [Saint] | I just don't think it should default to auto, you saw what that looks like. |
| 13:39:11 | kugel | it's too big the user can fine tune the padding |
| 13:39:15 | God_Eater | yes, but at least it's usable then |
| 13:39:23 | kugel | in fact, it should even default to "somewhat similar to android" |
| 13:39:31 | God_Eater | yah |
| 13:39:52 | God_Eater | Ideally I'd like the font to match the default Android one too |
| 13:40:08 | JdGordon | then make a default theme which duplicates the android music app |
| 13:40:09 | kugel | perhaps things look less ugly with an item separator |
| 13:40:59 | [Saint] | God_Eater: I did that, with the font, and got shot the *flying* fuck down. |
| 13:41:15 | kugel | not that I find no-padding any more beatiful than auto padding |
| 13:41:20 | [Saint] | "its a ugly font, get rid of it" |
| 13:41:27 | [Saint] | "its the same as Android" |
| 13:41:36 | [Saint] | "I don;t care, its ugly, get rid of it" |
| 13:41:37 | God_Eater | Ugly in the context of cabbie v2 ? |
| 13:41:56 | kugel | it's not the same, it's a lot larger since you need it larger to be able to select items |
| 13:42:02 | [Saint] | Pass. I got that feedback for 3 or 4 people. |
| 13:42:18 | [Saint] | kugel: No, its not the same, now. Very observant ;) |
| 13:42:21 | God_Eater | 3 or 4 peoples != "shot the flying fuck down" |
| 13:42:46 | [Saint] | It does when that was the entire testing base of the time bar one. |
| 13:43:02 | God_Eater | this is what's wrong with this project |
| 13:43:14 | God_Eater | when cabbiev2 was developed there were a LOT of people working on it |
| 13:43:19 | God_Eater | not just one |
| 13:43:38 | [Saint] | Do you know how many times I've asked for help? Its a joke! |
| 13:43:41 | God_Eater | if you're trying to do the default theme for RaaA I'd probably have chosen to start from scratch |
| 13:43:47 | [Saint] | I'd fucking *love* help. |
| 13:43:57 | God_Eater | where have you asked? |
| 13:44:00 | JdGordon | oh? I was hoping you'd say "loud opiniated people get their way, regardless of their level of contribution" :/ |
| 13:44:44 | [Saint] | I've asked here several times whenever people said "So, when's port <X> going to be ready" |
| 13:44:55 | [Saint] | Everyone's been quite happy to sit back and leave it to me. |
| 13:45:01 | God_Eater | yes, the cabbiev2 effort was co-ordinated out of the forums |
| 13:45:04 | God_Eater | not IRC |
| 13:45:11 | God_Eater | as bascially bugger all themers hang out here |
| 13:45:16 | kugel | [Saint]: whenever I asked you you just said "soon, i |
| 13:45:20 | kugel | I'm busy atm" |
| 13:46:09 | [Saint] | I didn't ask you, no. I assumed if you cared about the themes we wouldn;t have the current joke of a touchscreen default theme. |
| 13:46:22 | kugel | God_Eater: but with cabbiev2 we had usable ports to develop on :) |
| 13:46:26 | God_Eater | ouch - not called for |
| 13:46:33 | God_Eater | kugel: also true :) |
| 13:47:03 | God_Eater | [Saint]: take it down a notch please, if kugel hadn't already worked his ass of there wouldn't BE an RaaA. |
| 13:47:29 | [Saint] | It may be badly worded, but there's been no effort to fix the *badly* broken svn theme. |
| 13:47:38 | [Saint] | that's all I meant. |
| 13:47:48 | God_Eater | yes, but that's not kugel's fault |
| 13:47:57 | [Saint] | Errrr... |
| 13:47:58 | * | kugel wonders in which way it's badly broken |
| 13:48:13 | God_Eater | yeah, and it's really not that badly broken |
| 13:48:16 | kugel | I use it just fine since ever |
| 13:48:19 | God_Eater | it works quite nicely with the list spacing patch |
| 13:48:30 | [Saint] | the FFWD/REW pops up whenever you touch the screen anywhere, overtop of the logo, for one. |
| 13:48:35 | Zagor | "with this patch" != svn |
| 13:48:44 | God_Eater | Zagor: I realise that |
| 13:49:00 | kugel | Zagor: true, but [Saint]'s effort isn't solving this one |
| 13:49:02 | God_Eater | it's not the same as saying it's badly broken without it either |
| 13:49:12 | Zagor | kugel: it does for me |
| 13:49:13 | God_Eater | the WPS works perfectly fine |
| 13:49:24 | God_Eater | it's only the menus which are too small |
| 13:49:27 | kugel | Zagor: really? how? |
| 13:49:39 | [Saint] | Thankyou, Zagor. Thankyou. |
| 13:49:40 | kugel | bigger font? |
| 13:49:47 | Zagor | I think the svn code is massively better with his theme than the default |
| 13:50:25 | Zagor | is/works/looks |
| 13:50:35 | kugel | :\ |
| 13:50:47 | kugel | Zagor: we're specifically not talking about looks |
| 13:50:56 | Zagor | I am |
| 13:51:13 | [Saint] | Zagor: Do you find the lists usable? |
| 13:51:18 | Zagor | looks is vital for an android app |
| 13:51:18 | kugel | I don't disagree that it looks better |
| 13:51:35 | kugel | my concern is usability, |
| 13:51:42 | Zagor | [Saint]: I do, yes |
| 13:51:48 | [Saint] | Thankyou. |
| 13:52:16 | [Saint] | Which is why I think this intended spacing patch should default off. |
| 13:52:17 | Zagor | there are still things to do, of course. but I'm much more optimistic about releasing on Market after trying [saint]'s theme |
| 13:52:38 | kugel | so, I |
| 13:52:41 | [Saint] | Oh yes, I'm the first to admit it needs a lot more work. I'm getting there, though. |
| 13:52:54 | kugel | I'm not surprised the list is more usable with a bigger font |
| 13:53:21 | Zagor | one quirky thing is that settings such as treble don't show the setting once you scroll the list |
| 13:53:31 | Zagor | I mean the current setting |
| 13:54:02 | [Saint] | that's...interesting. |
| 13:54:09 | God_Eater | Zagor: you don't think the list should scale out to fill the screen then? |
| 13:54:15 | [Saint] | I'm not sure how its possible for a theme to break that. |
| 13:54:56 | Zagor | God_Eater: vertically? no, I don't think that's important |
| 13:55:23 | Zagor | I count 12 lines in the list. that's already more than most android file managers I've tried. |
| 13:56:02 | [Saint] | all ports should have between 11~13 slots in the list unless my math is bad. |
| 13:59:14 | God_Eater | Zagor: perhaps scale isn't quite the right word |
| 13:59:31 | God_Eater | but I believe if we want wide android market adoption, our lists should look as much like android ones as possible. |
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| 14:00:00 | [Saint] | In that case, we need line seperators, and Setting sublists. |
| 14:00:16 | [Saint] | I'd be for that. |
| 14:00:50 | Zagor | as long as they behave as an android user expects, I'm not so sure it matters if the pixels are a little different. |
| 14:01:13 | God_Eater | yes, I don't think we need to implement them as native android ui controls just yet |
| 14:01:19 | God_Eater | although I'd still like to see that eventually |
| 14:01:20 | [Saint] | A blurb in a smaller font describing a settings function/state would be a good thing for a labrinthing menus IMO. |
| 14:01:42 | [Saint] | *labrinthine |
| 14:01:52 | God_Eater | I also wish we didn't hide the status bar in android, but I've no idea if that's deliberate or something that's a function of running an NDK app like ours |
| 14:02:22 | [Saint] | it uses sysfont, so, its pretty much unusable on even the 240x320 port |
| 14:02:35 | Zagor | no, the android status bar |
| 14:02:44 | [Saint] | Ah, right. |
| 14:02:55 | God_Eater | yeah, I want to see if new emails have come in etc. |
| 14:03:10 | kugel | yea, we should work with it, but it's not nice for themes |
| 14:03:22 | Zagor | yeah, that would be nice. yay, yet another dimension for themes... :-) |
| 14:03:23 | JdGordon | trying to emulate the android lists is a waste of time |
| 14:03:33 | JdGordon | and by the way, it can already be done with svn |
| 14:03:57 | [Saint] | setting sublists would need to be hardcoded, though. |
| 14:04:00 | God_Eater | why is it a waste of time? |
| 14:04:16 | JdGordon | [Saint]: setting sublists? |
| 14:04:35 | JdGordon | you mean inline settings? - which was on my plate to work on? |
| 14:04:47 | [Saint] | JdGordon: The small blurb that describes a settings function and/or state in Android. |
| 14:05:03 | [Saint] | And yes, I remember now you thought about working on that. |
| 14:05:07 | JdGordon | yeah, we could add that if it were really wanted |
| 14:05:22 | [Saint] | It'd be nice for new users. |
| 14:05:34 | JdGordon | once again, *with SVN* you can exactly copy the android lists with a theme |
| 14:05:41 | JdGordon | oh right, thats too much work |
| 14:05:57 | JdGordon | (exactly minus the scroll bar thing, but that too is on my todo list) |
| 14:06:23 | * | JdGordon randomly points out that his todo list isnt going to happen if his current motivation levels doesnt severly rise |
| 14:06:38 | [Saint] | I'm not sure how we'd translate the "inline settigns" (is this what they're called?) though. |
| 14:06:41 | God_Eater | it'll just get moved to Mr Someone's |
| 14:06:59 | JdGordon | in theory |
| 14:07:07 | [Saint] | Its so hard not to burst out laughing at that. |
| 14:07:20 | [Saint] | Mr. Someone hasn't been very active lately ;) |
| 14:07:25 | God_Eater | he never is |
| 14:08:06 | Zagor | I think painstakingly making a pixel-perfect emulation of android 2.3 is a waste of time. |
| 14:08:28 | kugel | nobody wants to do that |
| 14:08:36 | [Saint] | I also like the fact that Rockbox is Rockbox, and Android is Android, personally. |
| 14:08:41 | JdGordon | sounds like you want to get retty damn close |
| 14:08:55 | Zagor | yeah, or settings are a bit arcane and strange. but we're not alone in android-land with that. most games have their own weird settings too. |
| 14:09:16 | * | kugel wonders how we went from "somewhat similar" to "emulate/clone" |
| 14:11:11 | Zagor | [Saint]: the problem is inviting new users to it, if it's "too much like rockbox and too little like android" |
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| 14:12:06 | Zagor | it has to look good, and work intuitively (i.e. similar to other apps in android). it doesn't have to look perfectly native imho. |
| 14:12:43 | * | JdGordon slaps Zagor |
| 14:12:50 | JdGordon | you're not allowd to use the word intuitive |
| 14:12:56 | JdGordon | its a nonesense word! |
| 14:13:02 | Zagor | no it's not |
| 14:13:04 | JdGordon | pondlife: long time no see! |
| 14:13:12 | Zagor | in this context it means "without surprises" |
| 14:13:22 | God_Eater | he must have been reading the logs, and is going to wade in with his wisdom ;) |
| 14:13:30 | * | God_Eater waves to pondlife too |
| 14:13:39 | pondlife | Hi guys |
| 14:13:58 | God_Eater | and probably also wants to know "Where is my H340?" :) |
| 14:14:01 | pondlife | ;) |
| 14:14:40 | JdGordon | Zagor: intuition is nonsense... ill give my phone to my not-yet-5 year old nephew who has never used an mp3 player and he'll figure out how to play music in rockbox |
| 14:14:44 | pondlife | It'd be nice...but I can still run an H340 sim |
| 14:15:02 | God_Eater | JdGordon: yes, but give it to your 90 year old grannie and same thing won't happen |
| 14:15:11 | God_Eater | 5 year olds are pretty adaptable |
| 14:15:36 | JdGordon | thats not intuition, thats expectation which is very different |
| 14:15:42 | Zagor | android is different. android users expect apps to behave reasonably similarly |
| 14:15:44 | JdGordon | not expectation... my english sucks tonight |
| 14:16:16 | pondlife | That's kind of why I dumped my first thoughts on using [Saint]'s theme (and indeed a recent Android port)... if you get used to something you can fail to see how unintuitive it is. |
| 14:16:21 | JdGordon | anyway, in the context of the list spacing patch, it can already be done in the theme which is where it shold be done |
| 14:16:57 | pondlife | I'm more concerned with the Onda/Clip+ problem right now.. |
| 14:17:18 | pondlife | JdGordon: Have you traced any of this through? |
| 14:17:45 | kugel | JdGordon: why needs everything needs to be done in themes now? |
| 14:17:58 | kugel | themes have always been an extra, not mandatory |
| 14:18:25 | pondlife | JdGordon: Sorry, back in 20 |
| 14:18:33 | kugel | I disagree I need to find a suitable theme for something which clearly isn't a theme thing |
| 14:20:25 | JdGordon | pondlife: no, I havnt looked into it at all, I've got side tracked and lost motivation to bother. It does affect the clipv1 which i can easily test with though, so maybe... |
| 14:20:59 | [Saint] | I happen to think that if the lists aren't usable, its the themes fault. If someone says "I can't press this button on my touchscreen theme" you don't adjust the core to suit it. |
| 14:21:26 | [Saint] | If my lists aren't usable, I'll damn well try to make them so. |
| 14:21:41 | kugel | themes weren't even concerned with lists until a few days ago.. |
| 14:22:06 | kugel | now it's entirely up to the theme? |
| 14:22:13 | Zagor | [Saint]: on the other hand, if you mistakenly wipe the rockbox dir it would be good to at least be able to navigate enough to select the new theme... |
| 14:22:30 | Zagor | with sysfont on 480x800 that is not easy at all |
| 14:22:52 | kugel | doable with list spacing |
| 14:23:11 | Zagor | exactly |
| 14:23:12 | JdGordon | Zagor: sysfont on any touch target is always not useable |
| 14:23:21 | JdGordon | but dont they default to grid layout if that happens? |
| 14:23:24 | [Saint] | Zagor: Which is why I back kugels patch completely, but not for it to default on. There could be magic added that if the fallback theme is the only option, it defaults to "auto". |
| 14:23:48 | JdGordon | any by the way.. list spacing isnt going to help with sysfont on android anyway |
| 14:23:52 | Zagor | [Saint]: what if the theme controls the setting? |
| 14:23:54 | JdGordon | its still going to be impossibly small |
| 14:24:10 | Zagor | JdGordon: small to read, yes. but at least if would be selectable |
| 14:24:14 | Zagor | *it |
| 14:24:18 | kugel | [Saint]: you toggle between supporting it and fighting against it in an amazingly quick fashion |
| 14:24:24 | [Saint] | Zagor: It can't, as far as I'm aware. |
| 14:24:29 | JdGordon | Zagor: not without a capacative stylus |
| 14:24:56 | [Saint] | kugel: No, I support it. I *want* it to go in. I don't want it to default to on/auto, though. |
| 14:25:01 | Zagor | JdGordon: in that case I guess I don't understand what the spacing patch does |
| 14:25:18 | kugel | Zagor: it does what you think |
| 14:25:29 | kugel | you can use the thumb even with sysfont |
| 14:26:10 | Zagor | [Saint]: ok, but wouldn't that be a solution? default is on, to make core usable even with sysfont. but a theme can choose to override it? |
| 14:27:15 | [Saint] | If the theme overrides it, then a user wouldn;t be able to adjust it if they felt it wasn't enough. |
| 14:27:32 | JdGordon | skin viewports need to completly disable it by default or it will break evry current theme |
| 14:27:32 | [Saint] | I want it to be a users choice. |
| 14:27:57 | Zagor | [Saint]: yes, but again: how can we make a "naked" core usable? |
| 14:28:17 | Zagor | it least usable enough to select a theme |
| 14:28:20 | Zagor | *at least |
| 14:28:47 | [Saint] | Zagor: It could default to auto if the failsafe is the only theme option available, /probably/. |
| 14:29:01 | [Saint] | I assume that magic could be added. |
| 14:29:53 | JdGordon | this cant possibly work with themes in a user configurable way |
| 14:30:01 | JdGordon | simply because the viewport confiuration is static |
| 14:30:21 | [Saint] | It may still be hard to use with failsafe and sysfont, though. As far as I'm aware the padding added isn't touch sensitive. It just spaces out the touch sensitive lines. |
| 14:30:28 | JdGordon | and having themes not override the setting will break all existing themes |
| 14:30:33 | [Saint] | it'd probably still be pretty hard to hit a 12px line. |
| 14:30:51 | [Saint] | (depending on the target, of course) |
| 14:31:00 | Zagor | [Saint]: sure, but you wouldn't risk hitting the wrong one. |
| 14:31:08 | [Saint] | that's correct. |
| 14:31:50 | Zagor | kugel: would you agree the main focus is to get the failsafe/builtin theme usable? |
| 14:32:07 | kugel | this and the default |
| 14:32:10 | kugel | don |
| 14:32:15 | kugel | 't care about other themes |
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| 14:33:26 | [Saint] | The default theme should do this *in the theme*, not with a core addon. |
| 14:33:45 | polemon | %Sx() in themes is for translation, right? |
| 14:33:51 | [Saint] | If its not usable, its the theme's fault. And I'll try to address this. |
| 14:33:56 | JdGordon | pondlife: yes |
| 14:34:00 | [Saint] | polemon: Correct. |
| 14:34:11 | JdGordon | pondlife: err. i meant polemon |
| 14:34:14 | polemon | it's not documented in CustomWPS... |
| 14:34:19 | [Saint] | the string needs to exist in english.lang |
| 14:34:39 | [Saint] | You can't translate arbitrary strings, of course ;) |
| 14:34:41 | kugel | [Saint]: why? |
| 14:34:55 | JdGordon | I also think it should be higher priority to make sure its never possible to get the failsafe theme |
| 14:35:08 | [Saint] | kugel: Why what? |
| 14:35:15 | kugel | "not with a core addon. |
| 14:35:27 | kugel | I don't see this as an objective |
| 14:35:35 | [Saint] | Because its the themes job to handle the UI. |
| 14:35:51 | polemon | it seems nobody cares about iPod nano 2g themes anymore :( |
| 14:35:54 | kugel | besides it doesn't make sense anyway, depending on how you define core addon |
| 14:36:08 | kugel | [Saint]: the *look* of the UI |
| 14:36:17 | JdGordon | exactly! |
| 14:36:24 | kugel | there's a lot more to UI than just look |
| 14:36:27 | JdGordon | you're going to argue this isnt the look? |
| 14:36:28 | [Saint] | polemon: What makes you say that? I've already created the most awesome Nano2G theme there is, ever :P |
| 14:36:44 | polemon | [Saint]: which one is it? |
| 14:36:50 | [Saint] | iLike |
| 14:36:52 | polemon | and don't say pen+paper |
| 14:36:55 | polemon | ... |
| 14:37:00 | kugel | list spacing is not primarily about look yes |
| 14:37:21 | polemon | uh... iLike is like nothing changed since using RockBox... |
| 14:37:22 | kugel | I made it so I can actually use lists |
| 14:37:25 | polemon | it's a bit sad... |
| 14:37:51 | [Saint] | polemon: Why would it change? Its a faithful representation of the Apple OS. |
| 14:38:10 | [Saint] | unless Apple changes it, it won;t change...and Apple's done with the Nano2G. |
| 14:38:11 | polemon | can I simulate the .fms view in the simluator? |
| 14:38:26 | JdGordon | polemon: There is an evil quote of me getting pissed of with [Saint] because i tested his theme on my ipod video, forgot about it and wondered why rockbox wasnt booting :) |
| 14:39:20 | polemon | making those themes is a bit painful, though... |
| 14:39:30 | polemon | I wish it could read and compose PNGs |
| 14:41:13 | Zagor | why the heck did the gnu people start naming the files different from the versions? |
| 14:41:55 | polemon | because: rms |
| 14:42:50 | Zagor | yeah, they did a fix release because they forgot some files. but why the name policy change? |
| 14:42:56 | [Saint] | <JdGordon> i hope my ipod vid has music on it.. and battery |
| 14:42:56 | [Saint] | <JdGordon> hahah S_a_i_n_t, you twat! |
| 14:42:56 | [Saint] | <JdGordon> I booted my vid and wondered why the fuck it got into the OF |
| 14:42:56 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK [Saint] |
| 14:42:56 | [Saint] | <JdGordon> curse your ilike theme |
| 14:43:00 | [Saint] | ...there we go ;) |
| 14:43:08 | Zagor | it screws up our compiler compiler |
| 14:43:26 | JdGordon | you didnt have to repaste it... |
| 14:45:04 | Bagder | Zagor: possibly because it is a rushed and patched release? |
| 14:45:26 | Zagor | yeah, maybe |
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| 14:46:40 | polemon | srsly... |
| 14:46:51 | polemon | why only BPM? |
| 14:47:32 | Zagor | kugel: I think our focus should be "how do we fix this for default without ruining every custom theme" |
| 14:47:40 | Bagder | polemon: why is BPM painful? |
| 14:48:02 | polemon | Bagder: no anti aliasing when composing images onto the background |
| 14:48:14 | polemon | only 1-Bit alpha |
| 14:48:22 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 14:48:22 | * | [Saint] assumes polemon means .bmp |
| 14:48:30 | Bagder | so its lack of alpha you're talking about |
| 14:48:34 | polemon | BMP |
| 14:48:35 | polemon | yeah |
| 14:48:37 | Bagder | which is WAY more than just image format |
| 14:48:46 | polemon | PNG has it |
| 14:48:50 | Bagder | yes |
| 14:48:54 | Bagder | but rockbox doesn't |
| 14:48:55 | polemon | much more easier to create an UI with it |
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| 14:49:20 | [Saint] | do your work in .png and export it to bitmap. done. |
| 14:49:21 | JdGordon | jpg is more likely than png |
| 14:49:33 | polemon | jpg is poo |
| 14:49:33 | Bagder | so if rockbox would support PNG tomorrow, it would have to convert the alpha to a fixed color |
| 14:49:42 | polemon | at least in UI design |
| 14:49:46 | polemon | artefacts, etc |
| 14:49:58 | kugel | png is great. we should support it |
| 14:50:15 | polemon | it is, it IS! |
| 14:50:27 | kugel | unlikely though |
| 14:50:32 | polemon | libpng is PITA, though |
| 14:50:47 | Bagder | again, don't confuse PNG with alpha channel |
| 14:51:14 | kugel | we support png in a plugin, but not alpha IIRC |
| 14:51:26 | polemon | I'm not, you could take any other image format that has 8 bit alpha |
| 14:51:39 | Bagder | it is NOT about the image format!!! |
| 14:52:14 | polemon | I don't see what you're so agitated about |
| 14:52:26 | Bagder | because it seems you don't get it |
| 14:52:38 | Bagder | rockbox has no alpha support |
| 14:52:46 | Bagder | it doesn't matter what image format you add to that |
| 14:53:04 | polemon | I know, I've been doing this kind of programming... |
| 14:53:05 | kugel | Bagder: That's not entirely right :) |
| 14:53:11 | Bagder | you'd first need to implement actual alpha |
| 14:53:23 | Bagder | I don't count the "chroma-key" style as alpha |
| 14:53:25 | kugel | we have anti aliased fonts, with 4bit alpha channel |
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| 14:53:29 | polemon | *sight* |
| 14:53:32 | Bagder | ah right, for fonts |
| 14:53:35 | Bagder | forgot that |
| 14:53:42 | wodz | we do interpret alpha in png plugin |
| 14:53:45 | kugel | I guess someone could make it work for images in theory |
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| 14:56:32 | wodz | As far as I remember the main concern about png graphics in themes was memory needed + time to decode. You will need to decode all images on theme load and cache decoded version. |
| 14:56:57 | polemon | that's what I expected... |
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| 14:58:21 | polemon | wodz: are you talking about the lz compression of PNG? |
| 14:58:28 | wodz | the memory hit would be huge as you first need to load whole file int mem, uncompress it and finaly convert to native format. |
| 14:58:58 | polemon | hmm, ok, then uncompredssed, but with alpha |
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| 14:59:35 | Torne | so are we done arguing about themes on android yet? :) |
| 14:59:47 | Torne | Zagor: I totally understand your lack of desire to be the go-to guy for the git server as well |
| 14:59:58 | Torne | does anyone have alternative suggestions? |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:03 | Zagor | Torne: that was bagder :) |
| 15:00:06 | Torne | Er |
| 15:00:10 | Torne | Yeah, ok |
| 15:00:12 | Torne | Whichever :) |
| 15:00:16 | pixelma | reading the backlog about (a) list spacing and (b) font selection based on font size is quite... interesting. People saying (a) was rather done by the theme say that (b) shouldn't be done by the theme only - and vice versa |
| 15:00:20 | Zagor | same same, but different :) |
| 15:00:25 | Torne | Zagor: so, er, what do we want to do about that? |
| 15:01:44 | Zagor | unless someone desperately wants to host git.rockbox.org on his very stable machine, I think we go forward with installation on www |
| 15:02:18 | Torne | Zagor: ok. |
| 15:02:31 | Torne | Zagor: so, i am back in the UK now and thus I can actually manage to talk to you |
| 15:02:38 | JdGordon | pixelma: well, they are two different issues |
| 15:02:42 | Torne | pacific time turned out to be inconvenient ;) |
| 15:02:46 | polemon | uncompressed TGA, mazbe? |
| 15:02:56 | polemon | s/zb/yb/ |
| 15:03:12 | Zagor | Torne: excellent. I think I'll have some time tonight. |
| 15:03:39 | Torne | Zagor: OK, good. I'll ping you when I get home from work, then |
| 15:03:43 | scorche | Zagor: i could always throw it on mine if need be... |
| 15:03:48 | wodz | polemon: without hardware support for alpha blending (and most of our targets don't have such) it is pointless |
| 15:04:20 | Torne | Zagor: what webserver does www run? |
| 15:04:33 | Zagor | Torne: apache2 |
| 15:04:35 | Torne | ok |
| 15:04:56 | Torne | the "nicest" way to configure gerrit is to install mod_proxy, then, and set up a reverse proxy for the vhost git.rockbox.org or similar |
| 15:05:09 | Zagor | right |
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| 15:05:46 | Torne | since then it can be on port 80 |
| 15:05:54 | Torne | which is more firewall-friendly and less typing |
| 15:06:24 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:07:39 | pondlife | JdGordon: Heh, sorry. I was hoping to help you with the Clip+ issue (didn't see it also applied to ClipV1), by building some Onda/Clip+ code for users to try. However it'll likely be much quicker for you to just attack it some day.. |
| 15:09:39 | polemon | wodz: well, then blending in software! |
| 15:09:57 | pixelma | JdGordon: sure, but I don't see such a great difference with regards to the question "what should be handled by the theme (only) and what with a setting" |
| 15:10:37 | wodz | polemon: than you will need to blend on every lcd update - that's gonna hurt |
| 15:11:36 | polemon | pre-blend and store the resulting bitmaps in cache files |
| 15:12:43 | polemon | or, well, there could be a blending compiler for themes |
| 15:12:56 | JdGordon | pixelma: I still dont understand your point |
| 15:13:02 | JdGordon | they are two very different issues |
| 15:14:44 | JdGordon | choosing the font is more about making sure the text is actually readable and not so much about the look |
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| 15:15:53 | polemon | oh great, I made him leave |
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| 15:37:10 | [Saint] | pixelma: Its not saying that font selection shouldn't be done by the theme, in fact, I don't think that was said at all. |
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| 15:37:50 | [Saint] | It was said that the theme should specify a font, and a font size, but users should be allowed to chose a font within the range specified by the theme, optionally, if they chose to. |
| 15:38:28 | [Saint] | The theme is still handling the font by default, and the theme still governs what fonts can be used. |
| 15:38:58 | [Saint] | (that was my interpretation of the conversation, at least) |
| 15:39:22 | JdGordon | not quite what I was suggesting but close enough |
| 15:39:31 | [Saint] | By the way pixelma, did you have any comments about the cabbie full-touch theme? |
| 15:41:01 | [Saint] | (its cool if you don't, just curious. I've been getting a LOT of feedback from the cyanogenmod community I've become a part of but its all pretty much useless noise) |
| 15:42:14 | * | [Saint] discovers he needs at least one new lang string. |
| 15:42:33 | [Saint] | I need "Screen Locked" to do the titlebar with full translation. |
| 15:43:14 | pondlife | [Saint]: Hope you take my comments in the intended spirit... ;) |
| 15:43:37 | [Saint] | pondlife: I didn't actually parse it particularly well. |
| 15:43:45 | [Saint] | I wasn't sure what you were getting at. |
| 15:44:10 | pondlife | Mainly didn't like the pop-up window with the Q C stuff in. |
| 15:44:41 | pondlife | Most of what I spotted is probably not theme related really. |
| 15:45:42 | pondlife | Also, the theme setting didn't seem to work because my paths were different - no .rockbox |
| 15:46:01 | pondlife | Not sure why - I just installed Rasher's latest build from apk |
| 15:46:03 | [Saint] | I did it that way to maximize the screen realestate that can be used by the most important factors in the .wps |
| 15:46:26 | [Saint] | those being metadata, playback controls, and AA (subjective) |
| 15:46:48 | | Part LinusN |
| 15:46:51 | pondlife | I agree, but don't think shuffle/repeat are that important. |
| 15:46:58 | [Saint] | pondlife: there's no .rockbox |
| 15:47:03 | [Saint] | its "rockbox" |
| 15:47:17 | [Saint] | And, if you've not tried the theme in a long time, it might pay to try it now. |
| 15:47:24 | pondlife | I tried today's |
| 15:47:27 | pondlife | v6 |
| 15:47:43 | [Saint] | Ah, right. You'd need to re-apply the theme from theme settings. |
| 15:47:51 | pondlife | I did |
| 15:48:01 | [Saint] | It should've worked fine, then. |
| 15:48:13 | pondlife | Thought the theme file had a .rockbox in... what's the FS# again? |
| 15:48:27 | Zagor | no, it's rockbox/ |
| 15:48:33 | Zagor | without the dot |
| 15:48:40 | Zagor | I was briefly confused by that too |
| 15:48:48 | pondlife | Yes, it is on the device.. but I maybe got the wrong download? |
| 15:48:59 | [Saint] | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12254 |
| 15:49:09 | * | pondlife downloads again |
| 15:49:56 | pondlife | sbs: /.rockbox/wps/cabbiev2.sbs |
| 15:49:57 | * | God_Eater has distributed an apk and a theme file to a few people at work for his test audience |
| 15:50:17 | pondlife | cabbiev2.cfg contains dots |
| 15:50:18 | God_Eater | bug! |
| 15:50:21 | [Saint] | the theme .cfg uses ".rockbox" |
| 15:50:31 | [Saint] | but that points to "/sdcard/rockbox/ |
| 15:50:33 | [Saint] | " |
| 15:50:38 | God_Eater | WTF? |
| 15:50:39 | [Saint] | that's a little confusing. |
| 15:50:41 | God_Eater | how does that work? |
| 15:50:46 | [Saint] | Pass. |
| 15:50:53 | pondlife | It doesn't ;) |
| 15:50:59 | [Saint] | Oh, it does. |
| 15:51:01 | pondlife | Or it didn't for me |
| 15:51:04 | [Saint] | I assure you it does. |
| 15:51:14 | pondlife | How? |
| 15:51:33 | pondlife | Do you have a link in /.rockbox or something? |
| 15:51:37 | God_Eater | who decided that bit of obfuscation was a good idea? |
| 15:51:44 | pondlife | I'm not root... |
| 15:51:52 | [Saint] | there's no symlink, no. |
| 15:51:57 | [Saint] | and you don;t need to be root. |
| 15:52:21 | God_Eater | this seems a very very dumb idea |
| 15:52:32 | pondlife | It did pick up the WPS, font, backdrop ok, but not the sbs |
| 15:52:57 | pondlife | I get the tiny default status bar |
| 15:53:00 | God_Eater | I wouldn't know what an sbs looks like |
| 15:53:07 | God_Eater | so no way to tell what happened with it here |
| 15:53:11 | [Saint] | Works for me, worked for others testing today...and since its creation. |
| 15:53:35 | [Saint] | God_Eater: If you had playback control in the main menu, it loaded. |
| 15:54:05 | God_Eater | I didn't |
| 15:54:07 | pondlife | I may have put something in the wrong place, of course... will recheck tonight |
| 15:54:14 | God_Eater | there was definitely no playback control |
| 15:54:23 | [Saint] | Hmmm...this is curious. |
| 15:54:34 | * | God_Eater will attempt to screenshot |
| 15:54:53 | [Saint] | Zagor: you definitely had playback control in the main menus, yes? |
| 15:55:00 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:55:09 | [Saint] | WTF!?! |
| 15:55:12 | God_Eater | hmm - I lie actually |
| 15:55:12 | pondlife | Bah - sysfont unusableness occurs |
| 15:55:16 | God_Eater | I just didn't notice it |
| 15:55:18 | God_Eater | sorry [Saint] |
| 15:55:20 | God_Eater | =/ |
| 15:55:28 | [Saint] | God_Eater: *phew*, no worries ;) |
| 15:56:58 | [Saint] | the reason for the .rockbox/rockbox weirdness is unknown to me. But the /sdcard/rockbox/ dir is essentially a symlink to .rockbox in the internal memory. |
| 15:57:17 | [Saint] | files in sdcard/rockbox are given first pecking order over files in internal memory. |
| 15:57:30 | [Saint] | (which is why I can directly "replace" cabbiev2" |
| 15:57:31 | [Saint] | ) |
| 15:58:15 | pondlife | On a not-quite-related subject, is there any way to make the database browser ignore stuff above /sdcard? |
| 15:58:36 | pondlife | Maybe it should use the same root folder as the file browser? |
| 15:58:42 | [Saint] | pondlife: "database.ignore" |
| 15:59:01 | pondlife | Yes, but I would have to root my device to put one above /sdcard |
| 15:59:06 | [Saint] | make a blank file named "database.ignore" and put it in the root of the sdcard. |
| 15:59:08 | kugel | symlink is the wrong term, but whatever |
| 15:59:09 | pondlife | It's all read-only up there |
| 15:59:13 | pondlife | I mean in / |
| 15:59:25 | [Saint] | pondlife: Ah, then, no. |
| 15:59:25 | pondlife | db picks up all sorts of Samsung stuff |
| 15:59:27 | God_Eater | I didn't think RaaA indexed outside of /sdcard |
| 15:59:31 | kugel | there's no /.rockbox |
| 15:59:37 | [Saint] | God_Eater: It walks the whole FS |
| 15:59:46 | God_Eater | [Saint]: another peculiar decision |
| 15:59:49 | kugel | "/.rockbox" is the magic for whereever the appropriate place is on the host platform |
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| 16:00:09 | pondlife | We already have a start folder for the file browser - I'll make the db use that |
| 16:00:15 | kugel | God_Eater: doing the whole FS wasn't a decision |
| 16:00:21 | God_Eater | pondlife: why not root your device though? :) |
| 16:00:26 | kugel | it happens to be hardcoded in the database |
| 16:00:48 | [Saint] | God_Eater: I've mentioned it needs a "start database here" option like the filebrowser has, even looked into doing so (but it was above me, I thought I could do it, it seemed simple, but I messed it up) |
| 16:00:48 | pondlife | God_Eater: I'll let [Saint] answer that ;) |
| 16:01:20 | pondlife | Besides, I have a bad rep when it comes to bricking in the name of Rockbox. |
| 16:01:30 | God_Eater | oh come on |
| 16:01:32 | God_Eater | you only did it once ;) |
| 16:01:35 | [Saint] | Wait, what am I answering? ;) |
| 16:01:49 | kugel | I have been too lazy to implement a list of search dirs for the database (not a single one). the framework is there |
| 16:01:53 | pondlife | God_Eater: Twice actually |
| 16:01:55 | kugel | just the setting is missing |
| 16:02:06 | God_Eater | pondlife: oh? What did you do other than the H340 ? |
| 16:02:11 | [Saint] | kugel: Ah, nice. WHen was that added, and where? |
| 16:02:17 | pondlife | Same one twice |
| 16:02:24 | [Saint] | I can't say I noticed such a thing but didn't look terribly hard. |
| 16:02:25 | God_Eater | now that's dedicated |
| 16:02:30 | [Saint] | I tried to reinvent the wheel. |
| 16:02:48 | pondlife | I must hate that H340 (H380 the second time)... and Linus... |
| 16:02:52 | kugel | well, whatever commit fixed the handling of recursive symlinks |
| 16:02:54 | God_Eater | talking of which, has LinusN finished resurrecting it yet? |
| 16:03:01 | kugel | that introduced multiple search roots |
| 16:03:11 | pondlife | Yes, but he's experimenting on it to work out what broke |
| 16:03:22 | [Saint] | Hmmmm. That's quite possibly more recent than my attempt to add it. |
| 16:03:35 | God_Eater | pondlife: that's not "finished" in my book ;) |
| 16:03:39 | kugel | it's ages ago, but after the start filebrowser here thuing |
| 16:04:11 | pondlife | A single entry would do me... consistency across browsers being good too... |
| 16:04:24 | God_Eater | nah |
| 16:04:37 | [Saint] | pondlife: You mention "\Phone\rockbox" dir? |
| 16:04:38 | God_Eater | I'd want the DB indexing my google music cache, and the file browser to stay the hell out of it |
| 16:04:41 | kugel | filebrowser start has little to do with where the music is, imo |
| 16:05:09 | pondlife | [Saint]: That's how it appears in Windows - probably not true. |
| 16:05:28 | kugel | someone just do a setting in the fashion of autoresume, a list for dirs |
| 16:05:29 | God_Eater | you still using that creaky OS then? :) |
| 16:05:33 | [Saint] | you also say it shows the Android status bar. |
| 16:05:43 | kugel | then initialize the search_roots in tagcache.c with that |
| 16:05:43 | [Saint] | something is VERY wrong with your device. |
| 16:06:06 | pondlife | No - I want it to show the Android status bar |
| 16:06:24 | [Saint] | Ah, sorry, I missread. We all do, its not currently possible. |
| 16:06:44 | pondlife | Indeed, I was just braindumping |
| 16:07:09 | kugel | i hacked a patch together for this |
| 16:07:14 | kugel | should be on my git |
| 16:07:18 | kugel | but it's very immature |
| 16:07:31 | kugel | also ages ago :) |
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| 16:08:03 | [Saint] | WHat .apk did you download pondlife, and from where? |
| 16:08:13 | pondlife | Rasher's.. hang on a mo.. |
| 16:08:18 | [Saint] | I really have no idea why your device isn't displaying this properly. |
| 16:08:24 | [Saint] | it *is* working correctly. |
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| 16:08:37 | [Saint] | pondlife: that's fine, I know the ones. |
| 16:08:44 | pondlife | rasher.dk/rockbox/android/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/android/ - 480x800 |
| 16:08:50 | [Saint] | the 480x800 port is actually the most mature port. |
| 16:09:07 | JdGordon | who you calling mature?! |
| 16:09:08 | [Saint] | and it *does* display correctly on other devices. |
| 16:10:22 | God_Eater | pondlife - try grabbing Zagors? |
| 16:10:38 | God_Eater | http://bjorn.haxx.se/tmp/rockbox.apk |
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| 16:11:39 | pondlife | [Saint]: Probably user error, don't worry |
| 16:12:30 | pondlife | I'm at work at the moment and don't have my phone cable handy. |
| 16:13:04 | God_Eater | so? |
| 16:13:15 | God_Eater | download direct to the phone |
| 16:13:35 | pondlife | Work pressure ;) |
| 16:13:47 | God_Eater | excuses excuses |
| 16:13:49 | [Saint] | Yet time for IRC, classic ;) |
| 16:13:55 | God_Eater | yeah, exactly |
| 16:14:07 | pondlife | IRC doesn't involve thinking |
| 16:14:26 | n1s | :) |
| 16:14:27 | God_Eater | neither does downloading to a phone |
| 16:14:41 | n1s | Irc can also look like you're working :) |
| 16:14:49 | pondlife | n1s is on the case |
| 16:15:02 | ukleinek | using the phone looks like working, too |
| 16:15:03 | [Saint] | "(don't favour file browser over database!)" also confuses me... |
| 16:15:07 | [Saint] | do I do so? |
| 16:15:20 | God_Eater | pondlife: http://qrcode.kaywa.com/img.php?s=8&d=http%3A%2F%2Fbjorn.haxx.se%2Ftmp%2Frockbox.apk |
| 16:15:32 | God_Eater | then you can scan it and not even have to type anything :) |
| 16:16:01 | pondlife | Nope, you're not going to get me involved now ;) |
| 16:16:56 | God_Eater | PS [Saint] - that's how I want all links from you in future ;) |
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| 16:17:48 | [Saint] | pondlife: Did you at some point, use a Rockbox build with the "resources on /sdcard patch applied? And if so, did you chose to not replace files while extracting? |
| 16:18:19 | [Saint] | that's the *only* way I can explain the behaviour you're seeing. |
| 16:18:25 | [Saint] | even then it doesn;t make a lot of sense. |
| 16:18:38 | pondlife | I definiely would have overwritten all. |
| 16:19:15 | [Saint] | "Reason for closing: Not a bug - Device is weird and broken" ;) |
| 16:19:26 | pondlife | I did have a previous installation moved to the card... but had to uninstall that before I could get the new apk to install. |
| 16:19:45 | pondlife | Presumably that's normal ... ;) |
| 16:20:05 | [Saint] | it wouldn't be if the signing keys were the same. |
| 16:20:05 | God_Eater | only if the previous install was built by someone other than rasher |
| 16:20:09 | bluebrother | that's normal if the apk's are signed using a different key |
| 16:20:20 | [Saint] | three in a fow, nice ;) |
| 16:20:24 | bluebrother | (debug keys expire after some time, iirc 1 year) |
| 16:20:26 | [Saint] | *row, too |
| 16:20:54 | * | bluebrother thinks that shutdown in menu thing should be handled by features.txt |
| 16:21:30 | bluebrother | is there any reason this isn't the case right now? |
| 16:21:33 | [Saint] | You might care to know that shifting to the sdcard breaks our lovely widgets, too, pondlife |
| 16:21:46 | bluebrother | otherwise I might give it a go later today |
| 16:21:55 | [Saint] | bluebrother: the very vocal "you dfon't need shutdown in an Android application" crew. |
| 16:21:55 | pondlife | Cool - why do we allow it ;) |
| 16:22:14 | [Saint] | pondlife: Its not a question of "We". |
| 16:22:20 | [Saint] | its Androids fault. |
| 16:22:47 | pondlife | Some apps keep the option greyed out, I believe... |
| 16:22:49 | [Saint] | It allows you to move to the sdcard, but it doesn't make any claims that the app will continue to work correctly ;) |
| 16:23:08 | God_Eater | yes, so we should disable allowing it |
| 16:23:24 | pondlife | Can we not specify some kind of "non-movable" attribute? |
| 16:23:32 | God_Eater | yes we can |
| 16:23:36 | God_Eater | plenty of other apps do |
| 16:23:38 | bluebrother | [Saint]: well, it's not about having shutdown in the menu (on target x) but simply by handling it slightly different :) |
| 16:23:43 | n1s | bluebrother: just think noone did it, i think car adaptor mode is the same |
| 16:23:46 | [Saint] | the "fix" for this is having the widgets as seperate .apks |
| 16:24:12 | bluebrother | n1s: ok, will give it a go later then. AFAIU it shouldn't be hard at all |
| 16:24:26 | n1s | or, well at least in the manual, dunno if that's what you were talking about :) |
| 16:24:27 | [Saint] | bluebrother: Good luck... |
| 16:24:38 | bluebrother | [Saint]: it's not about enabling it for Android ;-) |
| 16:24:50 | bluebrother | (but that would make enabling it for Android a one line change) |
| 16:24:52 | [Saint] | I cannot remember who, but there were some very vocal people regarding Android apps not needing a shutdown. |
| 16:25:07 | [Saint] | bluebrother: Ah, right. Gotcha. |
| 16:25:15 | pondlife | It should be enabled for Android while we still have "Reboot to enable" splashes ;) |
| 16:25:31 | pondlife | Killing the service isn't very obvious |
| 16:25:37 | [Saint] | That splash is broken, anyway. |
| 16:25:47 | n1s | do we still have those? |
| 16:25:50 | [Saint] | it tricks users into thinking a full reboot is needed. Its not. |
| 16:26:02 | pondlife | n1s: DB rebuild |
| 16:26:04 | [Saint] | n1s: Yes. |
| 16:26:09 | kugel | n1s: the db one is the only one left I think |
| 16:26:24 | kugel | coincidentally the most obvious one |
| 16:26:25 | n1s | aha, i thought they would go away with the buflib stuff |
| 16:26:46 | kugel | yea, but the db isn't as simple as the buffer size it needs isn't known beforehand |
| 16:27:10 | kugel | it can be done by taking away lots of memory. but that needs to be reclaimed at some point |
| 16:27:14 | [Saint] | can it steal all available buffer, then give back the rest? |
| 16:27:36 | [Saint] | ...that's a bit ugly, though. |
| 16:27:49 | pondlife | It has to do this while playback runs though. |
| 16:27:58 | pondlife | So, not *all* memory |
| 16:28:01 | n1s | kugel: no realloc style feature in buflib? |
| 16:28:22 | kugel | you need temp memory for realloc |
| 16:28:41 | God_Eater | why does it need to do it whilst playback runs? |
| 16:28:54 | pondlife | It's a background scan |
| 16:29:02 | n1s | kugel: not any more that you need for any other alloc |
| 16:29:15 | pondlife | You can listen to stuff while it proceeds at the moment.. |
| 16:29:23 | God_Eater | background scans don't need the reboot afterwards though |
| 16:29:36 | pondlife | This one does |
| 16:29:37 | God_Eater | it's only the initial scan which does though right? |
| 16:29:47 | [Saint] | God_Eater: I thought so. |
| 16:29:58 | kugel | n1s: if you want increase X by Y, you need to make an alloc of X+Y, memcpy() and then free X |
| 16:29:59 | [Saint] | Seems we may be wrong, though. |
| 16:30:03 | God_Eater | this'll be me never using the DB |
| 16:30:04 | God_Eater | :) |
| 16:30:10 | kugel | it's not implemented, and I'm not sure we need it |
| 16:30:24 | n1s | kugel: or move whatever is in the way |
| 16:30:31 | [Saint] | I've leaned towards the filebrowser too lately. |
| 16:30:53 | kugel | n1s: implmenent it :) |
| 16:30:57 | [Saint] | I used to use the DB a lot, but its not even init'ed on my phone/DAPs anymore. |
| 16:31:10 | n1s | kugel: i don't care about the db :) |
| 16:31:43 | pondlife | Looks like I'm the only db user left then ;) |
| 16:32:08 | [Saint] | pondlife: Yes, the only one in the world ;) |
| 16:32:14 | [Saint] | Its all up to you now, champ. |
| 16:32:17 | n1s | pondlife: i think sideral uses it too but he's not been around much lately |
| 16:32:59 | pondlife | OK, I'll do a deal with him.... if we both agree to stop using it, can we have anything remaining in the fund? ;) |
| 16:33:06 | pondlife | Job done. |
| 16:33:55 | Zagor | did anyone look into what is required to use the android db instead or in addition to our own? |
| 16:35:18 | God_Eater | it's sqllite |
| 16:35:24 | God_Eater | so we'd need that for a start ;) |
| 16:35:43 | Zagor | isn't there an api for it? |
| 16:36:51 | Zagor | not that I'm sure what benefits it'd give, other than dodging the user question "why do you have your own db?" :) |
| 16:37:19 | God_Eater | I'm sure there is an API for it yes |
| 16:38:23 | God_Eater | would we do a translation layer between our tagcache query language, or just bin that completely in favour of SQL ? |
| 16:38:48 | Lalufu | is sqlite small enough? |
| 16:39:02 | n1s | Zagor: that server has a different dir structure for gcc than kernel.org had so rockboxdev.sh won't find gcc now |
| 16:39:56 | Zagor | :-[ and binutils can't be found because FSF screwed up their release |
| 16:40:20 | n1s | i thought they symlinked those back |
| 16:40:23 | Lalufu | downloading binutils worked for me some hours ago |
| 16:40:32 | Zagor | n1s: not on ftp.gnu.org at least |
| 16:41:12 | n1s | the sunet server has them though |
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| 16:41:30 | n1s | i really love the inconsisteny |
| 16:41:35 | Zagor | or, hey, the did for .. everyone except the one we use: 2.16.1 |
| 16:42:14 | God_Eater | Lalufu: we don't care how small sqllite is really - we get it for free on Android. |
| 16:42:18 | Torne | The GNU mirrors do just all have crazy random directory layouts |
| 16:42:28 | n1s | ah, 2.15 and 2.16 indeed miss the non-a symlinks |
| 16:43:43 | polemon | what are the maximum dimensions the cover art can have? |
| 16:43:45 | Lalufu | God_Eater: well, if you're switching to sqlite on one platform it might be usable for all of them. |
| 16:43:56 | Lalufu | I for one would not mind being able to use SQL queries |
| 16:44:09 | n1s | Torne: yeah, it's fun for srcipting |
| 16:44:19 | kugel | Zagor: the android db supports only a subset of the formats we can play |
| 16:44:30 | God_Eater | Lalufu: oh, it's too big for all the embedded targets |
| 16:44:37 | God_Eater | we've been through that discussion before |
| 16:44:42 | Zagor | kugel: ah, right |
| 16:45:22 | Lalufu | pity. |
| 16:45:26 | kugel | in fact, our db scan is so quick we should just do it by default :) |
| 16:45:43 | n1s | i think sqlite was 100+ kB in size ompiled for arm |
| 16:45:45 | God_Eater | kugel: is there something we can do to populate the android DB ourselves? |
| 16:45:57 | God_Eater | or is it read only for apps? |
| 16:46:13 | Torne | You can't touch it |
| 16:46:14 | kugel | I guess read-only |
| 16:46:28 | God_Eater | Torne: fix it pls. More formats kthx. |
| 16:46:59 | [Saint] | [03:43] <polemon> what are the maximum dimensions the cover art can have? <−− there are none. |
| 16:46:59 | Torne | God_Eater: it already differs per-device because some vendors replace the media framework :/ |
| 16:47:09 | * | Bagder presses reload on the "formats supported by db" page to see the changes come in |
| 16:47:09 | God_Eater | Torne: *vomit* |
| 16:47:13 | [Saint] | but its totally useless to have AA that's any larger than the width of the LCD |
| 16:47:18 | [Saint] | polemon: ^ |
| 16:47:51 | God_Eater | Torne: is it only vendors can replace the media framework? |
| 16:47:55 | God_Eater | or can we do that too? |
| 16:47:55 | God_Eater | :D |
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| 16:48:13 | Zagor | haha |
| 16:48:15 | kugel | we can provide our own android version yes:) |
| 16:48:24 | God_Eater | Unhelpful: get right on that pls |
| 16:48:26 | Bagder | we need rockboxmod, the custom android |
| 16:48:31 | kugel | wait, we already have an OS :P |
| 16:48:51 | God_Eater | we need to just get folded into cyanogenmod |
| 16:49:08 | God_Eater | leave the rest of the OS to the clever people ;) |
| 16:49:17 | God_Eater | and we do what we're good at |
| 16:49:43 | [Saint] | Rockbox as an Application on Android in Rockbox as an Android OS. (RaaAoAiRaaAOS...?) ;) |
| 16:50:09 | Bagder | let's run android as a plugin in the rockbox os! |
| 16:50:17 | God_Eater | I'm pretty sure CM replaced the default music app in CM6 |
| 16:50:25 | God_Eater | it wasn't super popular |
| 16:50:28 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 16:50:35 | God_Eater | but there's not reason they couldn't do it again with a super awesome music app like Rockbox |
| 16:50:40 | Lalufu | Just to get my terms straight, the screen that's shown while a song is playing (with the progressbar and all that) is called the WPS, right? |
| 16:50:55 | God_Eater | Lalufu: yep, the "Whilst Playing Screen" |
| 16:50:56 | [Saint] | Lalufu: Correct |
| 16:51:10 | God_Eater | or While even |
| 16:52:12 | Zagor | [Saint]: can you make it so the quickscreen goes away when I tap a second time? right now I don't know how to make it dissapear... |
| 16:52:38 | [Saint] | Zagor: tap the quickscreen in the middle |
| 16:52:41 | Lalufu | is there a way to programmatically force the player to switch to that screen? |
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| 16:52:42 | [Saint] | I can |
| 16:52:43 | God_Eater | Zagor: back button? |
| 16:52:51 | [Saint] | 't theme the quickscreen |
| 16:53:35 | Zagor | neither works. tapping the middle brings up the qs but doen't bring it down again. and back throws me to the file browser! |
| 16:54:12 | polemon | [Saint]: got it |
| 16:54:18 | [Saint] | Wait..do you mean the *actual* quickscreen? Or my .wps popup? |
| 16:54:28 | Zagor | I mean the wps popup |
| 16:54:33 | polemon | it just has to be 24bit BMP, right? |
| 16:54:40 | [Saint] | It will disappear by itself. |
| 16:54:42 | Zagor | ...I guess |
| 16:54:49 | [Saint] | perhaps I should reduce the timeout |
| 16:54:54 | Zagor | oh, indeed it does |
| 16:55:10 | pondlife | That's why I don't like popups...timeouts are bad... |
| 16:55:11 | [Saint] | I didn't want it to disappear before a user gets time to make a selection. |
| 16:55:19 | polemon | [Saint]: did iPod nanos had FM tuners? is the FMS actuallyever used on them? |
| 16:55:19 | Zagor | is it possible to make it go away the second tap? |
| 16:55:20 | [Saint] | its a fine balance |
| 16:55:49 | polemon | s/ye/y e/ |
| 16:55:57 | [Saint] | Zagor: I believe so, yes. But each selection from it should open a different screen. |
| 16:56:10 | Zagor | it's particularly confusing, because when you tap again to remove it the timeout resets and you feel it's going to stay forever :) |
| 16:56:16 | [Saint] | So, by the time you're done what you're doing in that screen it should time out. |
| 16:56:48 | Zagor | [Saint]: yes, but I didn't want to do anything. I just tapped the screen, saw the popup. "ok, that's nice. now go away. *tap*. please? *tap* grrr" |
| 16:57:11 | [Saint] | Right, gotcha ;) |
| 16:58:09 | Zagor | personally I feel shuffle and repeat should go into that popup |
| 16:58:11 | [Saint] | I believe it can be done with more skin variable magic. |
| 16:59:16 | pondlife | [Saint]: Is it intended that long press on the WPS shows the playlist? Or is that the "hotkey"? |
| 16:59:36 | [Saint] | pondlife: that's Hotkey |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:06 | [Saint] | Zagor: Would it be better if I flipped long and short press in that instance? |
| 17:00:17 | [Saint] | So the pop-up didn't launch accidentally? |
| 17:00:41 | [Saint] | Avoiding accidental keypresses is *hard* :-S |
| 17:00:41 | Zagor | no the popup launch is fine. I just want to feel that I am in control of it. |
| 17:00:53 | pondlife | [Saint]: I guess I need a hotkey option for "Context menu" |
| 17:01:00 | Zagor | though I would prefer not having it popup on Hotkey. it gets a bit flickery. |
| 17:01:20 | Zagor | or was that what you meant? |
| 17:01:50 | [Saint] | come again? I'm not sure what "prefer not having it popup on Hotkey" means. |
| 17:02:06 | pondlife | I get the feeling that the "long" keypress timer isn't quite long enough |
| 17:02:19 | pondlife | I keep doing long presses when I want short ones |
| 17:02:27 | Zagor | when I long press, I get first the popup and then (200ms later) I get the playlist view |
| 17:02:39 | [Saint] | there was a patch to make that configurable at one point, but it never made it into svn. |
| 17:03:03 | [Saint] | Zagor: that's...interesting. That really shouldn't happen. |
| 17:03:25 | [Saint] | (and doesn't for me) |
| 17:03:27 | pondlife | I don't think it needs to be configurable, but it seems shorter tahn on other targets I've used. |
| 17:03:33 | pondlife | [Saint]: I see that too |
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| 17:03:49 | polemon | omg, I have the greatest idea ever! |
| 17:03:50 | pondlife | The popup appears just before it triggers the hotkey action |
| 17:04:01 | polemon | why not use vector graphics for the UI!? |
| 17:04:12 | God_Eater | been thought of before |
| 17:04:13 | God_Eater | :) |
| 17:04:26 | polemon | and_ |
| 17:04:36 | polemon | too complex, eh? |
| 17:04:56 | [Saint] | too much for most targets to handle. |
| 17:05:14 | polemon | :S |
| 17:05:25 | n1s | would vector graphics even work well for the relatively small resolutions we want? |
| 17:06:01 | polemon | sure |
| 17:06:18 | God_Eater | yeah I don't see why not |
| 17:06:19 | polemon | you can adjust the anti aliasing level in SVG for instance |
| 17:06:35 | Bagder | I doubt it'd work very well |
| 17:06:51 | Torne | libsvg is *massive*, also |
| 17:06:53 | Zagor | vector fonts typically look crap at small sizes |
| 17:07:05 | God_Eater | we *could* perhaps adapt to using vectors in the code base, and generate bitmaps from it at build time |
| 17:07:07 | polemon | Torne: that'd be probably the killer factor |
| 17:07:10 | [Saint] | Zagor: pondlife: It seems I may have just never noticed this. |
| 17:07:14 | Bagder | and we have monocrome and greyscales with very few colors for anti aliasing |
| 17:07:22 | [Saint] | it seems there's a problem with the touch area "none" |
| 17:07:23 | God_Eater | Zagor: I don't believe we meant vector fonts - just for icons and such |
| 17:07:24 | polemon | Zagor: fonts, but what about graphics |
| 17:07:29 | [Saint] | Its fixable, but not with a theme. |
| 17:07:56 | pondlife | [Saint]: Keypress actions should generally be on key release if there are long/short options.. |
| 17:08:36 | [Saint] | Right...but, I didn't write the touch interface stuff ;) |
| 17:08:42 | [Saint] | Not. My. Problem ;) |
| 17:09:01 | God_Eater | is your problem |
| 17:09:01 | polemon | eventually, you need to take those things into account, there's things like the iPod touch and the latest iPod nano, which kind of thrive on vector graphics and alpha blending |
| 17:09:10 | God_Eater | possibly not up to you to fix though ;) |
| 17:09:23 | God_Eater | iPod touch is unlikely to ever get the love |
| 17:09:32 | polemon | why_ |
| 17:09:37 | God_Eater | and all the new nanos need us to keep finding ninja exploits on them |
| 17:09:39 | polemon | DAMN KEZBOARD! |
| 17:10:05 | [Saint] | polemon: You're not taking into account that (whereever possible) things implmented in Rockbox need to run on all targets. |
| 17:10:08 | polemon | hmm, but isn't it a matter of time, really? |
| 17:10:09 | God_Eater | polemon: mainly because no-one here gives a damn about porting RaaA to iOS |
| 17:10:12 | Torne | because nobody will ever be able to install rockbox on iOS without hacking it |
| 17:10:21 | Torne | and this is a huge disincentive to anyone caring about porting it |
| 17:10:24 | [Saint] | And, a LOT of our targets just DON'T have the grunt for your proposals |
| 17:10:38 | polemon | [Saint]: sure, but there's the color UI and the text based one, too |
| 17:10:47 | [Saint] | Right...and? |
| 17:11:04 | God_Eater | I like the idea of keeping the graphics as vectors in the source repo and generating target appropriate bitmaps from them at build time though |
| 17:11:08 | God_Eater | that would be cool :) |
| 17:11:13 | polemon | so, things like vector graphics and such would be the next logical step, wouldn't it? |
| 17:11:16 | Torne | God_Eater: That is a neat trick if you can get it to produce acceptable output |
| 17:11:21 | [Saint] | A lot of colour UI targets are *really* underpowered. |
| 17:11:29 | Torne | God_Eater: not always easy, though; fonts are hinted for a reason |
| 17:11:32 | [Saint] | We don;t want it to take ~20 seconds to load a screen. |
| 17:11:33 | God_Eater | Torne: I'm not volunteering to get it working mind ;) |
| 17:11:39 | [Saint] | let alone screen refreshes. |
| 17:12:01 | God_Eater | Torne: and again, I wouldn't even bother doing this with fonts |
| 17:12:04 | God_Eater | only with icons |
| 17:12:12 | Torne | Right, i'm just drawing ac omparison |
| 17:12:15 | polemon | It's not like i want vector graphics on my old iPod |
| 17:12:23 | Torne | Vector graphics also often look crap when you scale them down too far |
| 17:12:30 | God_Eater | true |
| 17:12:30 | Torne | for the same reasons vector fonts do |
| 17:12:34 | Torne | and SVG doesn't have hinting :) |
| 17:12:35 | polemon | but the latest players are well capable of that and have large enough screens... |
| 17:12:44 | [Saint] | Icons use transparency, there's already a script to produce an iconset from the tango set. |
| 17:12:47 | Torne | polemon: you say that but it's mostly *not the case* |
| 17:12:49 | [Saint] | the result looks like ass. |
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| 17:12:59 | God_Eater | polemon: I think what we're all saying here is "We await your patch to do this with interest" |
| 17:12:59 | Torne | polemon: Current MP3 players are, mostly, not much more powerful than ones we already support |
| 17:13:02 | Torne | They don't need to be |
| 17:13:03 | Zagor | verctor graphics as source format is sensible. vector graphics on static-size targets is ... not. |
| 17:14:05 | polemon | well, I'd be OK, with that, but themes would need to be "compiled" stand alone. |
| 17:14:28 | [Saint] | polemon: What we're all saying basically is.....get coding. |
| 17:14:46 | [Saint] | Put something on the tracker, and we'll talk then. |
| 17:15:08 | polemon | ok, ok, don't get mad |
| 17:15:13 | [Saint] | I'm not. |
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| 17:15:57 | [Saint] | You'd know if I (or others) were, there's be various swears incorperated into the mix ;) |
| 17:16:09 | polemon | I installed RockBox for the first time ever earlier today, so it's not like i can whip out stuff just like thatn |
| 17:16:30 | [Saint] | And neither can we ;) |
| 17:16:31 | polemon | I'm in the process of making my second theme, and I still don't know where the FMS comes in on iPod nanos |
| 17:16:35 | God_Eater | polemon: when I said earlier the idea had come up before, I wasn't kidding ;) |
| 17:16:39 | | Part Zagor |
| 17:16:39 | [Saint] | Especially when its totally impractical to do so. |
| 17:16:47 | God_Eater | you aren't the first person to come in and feel like you've just been shot down |
| 17:16:57 | God_Eater | so chill - it's happened to us all at some point ;) |
| 17:17:21 | [Saint] | Ohhh no, certainly not ;) Its happened to all of us. We've all had "the big idea" |
| 17:17:39 | [Saint] | But, those ideas need to be capable of running on some *really* low powered hardware. |
| 17:17:44 | God_Eater | your idea even has the merit of not being entirely stupid ;) |
| 17:17:53 | God_Eater | some people's great ideas are just f*cking moronic |
| 17:18:01 | [Saint] | I'll second that! ;) |
| 17:18:06 | [Saint] | I've had a few of those. |
| 17:18:31 | God_Eater | only a few? :) |
| 17:18:43 | polemon | moronic? |
| 17:18:47 | polemon | elaborate... |
| 17:18:53 | [Saint] | I'm quite delighted that this is your first appearence and its not just "Can haz Rockbox betterz plz?" |
| 17:19:09 | God_Eater | polemon: go take a look at GoldenQuotes in the wiki |
| 17:19:41 | [Saint] | L0rD AsuKa wanted help to port Android to his iPod Nano1G, for instance ;) |
| 17:19:57 | [Saint] | there've been some classic ones. |
| 17:20:14 | polemon | Asuka... |
| 17:20:32 | polemon | he's been watching too much Evangelion, me thinks... |
| 17:20:48 | [Saint] | And huffing a lot of glue... |
| 17:21:52 | [Saint] | Your idea about images taken from vector graphics at compile time is partially in place. |
| 17:22:02 | [Saint] | The problem is, it produces shit results. |
| 17:22:03 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:22:19 | [Saint] | Which need to be cleaned up by hand, making it totally pointless. |
| 17:22:55 | [Saint] | We use a "magic colour" for transparency in Rockbox (you may have noticed), this doesn't sit well with resizing images. |
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| 17:23:30 | [Saint] | As you get a magenta (our magic colour) ring around all the images as it tries to be "smart" when resizing and blend edges. |
| 17:28:32 | polemon | I'm reading the golden quotes right now |
| 17:28:50 | polemon | seems you had some fun with recouring people at times... |
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| 17:29:55 | [Saint] | "You broke my iPod Touch" guy is a good read. |
| 17:30:15 | polemon | "Guess I'm new around here anyways I'm porting Android OS to my Ipod Nano 1st Gen and My wii I might need some extra help" |
| 17:30:29 | polemon | > I might need some extra help |
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| 17:34:36 | Unhelpful | God_Eater: ...actually i'm already working on integrating ffmpeg as a demuxer and decoder for the stagefright media library - it should give stagefright everything you get from ffmpeg, except for subtitle, aspect ratio, and stream selection support. :/ |
| 17:35:40 | Unhelpful | those need new APIs or extensions... but anyway that effort is stalled while i work on my audiomangler project for a bit |
| 17:38:18 | polemon | FMS is still puzzling me, but I need food |
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| 17:42:46 | polemon | are the Demos written in Lua? |
| 17:44:22 | [Saint] | Nope. |
| 17:46:09 | [Saint] | polemon: What puzzles you about the .fms, in particular? |
| 17:46:22 | * | [Saint] is somewhat of a theme guru </horn blowing> |
| 17:48:59 | God_Eater | only 1 man in 1000 can do that |
| 17:49:14 | polemon | well, as I have mentioned before, I have an iPod nano 2g |
| 17:49:37 | polemon | now, there are Themes with .fms for those iPods, so were there ever iPod nanos with FM tuners? |
| 17:49:37 | [Saint] | And? |
| 17:49:50 | [Saint] | Its additional hardwear. |
| 17:49:55 | polemon | aaah!!! |
| 17:49:59 | [Saint] | *hardware |
| 17:50:01 | Torne | the ipod radio remote works on all ipods with dock connectors |
| 17:50:04 | Torne | at least in Rockbox. |
| 17:50:10 | * | [Saint] nods |
| 17:50:11 | Torne | at least in theory :) |
| 17:50:12 | polemon | > Hardwear |
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| 17:53:12 | polemon | hmm, can't finde such a device for 2g nanos.. |
| 17:53:57 | polemon | There's a buttload of them for the later generations |
| 17:54:16 | Torne | hm? |
| 17:54:20 | [Saint] | it'll work on the Nano2G also |
| 17:54:21 | Torne | we only support the apple radio remote |
| 17:54:26 | Torne | afaik |
| 17:54:43 | [Saint] | Torne: Or good copies ;) |
| 17:54:54 | Torne | it will work on any ipod that has a dock connector to plug it into, and on which we support the accessory protocol |
| 17:54:56 | [Saint] | I have one "no-name" that works. |
| 17:55:04 | Torne | i think the accessory protocol works on the nano2g |
| 17:55:18 | Torne | whether it works in apple's firmware is a different matter :) |
| 17:55:38 | polemon | hmm, this thing is cheap as poo |
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| 17:56:09 | polemon | 4 Euros including shipping |
| 17:57:26 | Torne | that sounds unlikely to be the right thing |
| 17:57:49 | polemon | who cares, as long as it does the job... |
| 17:57:53 | Torne | google suggests the radio remote costs ten times that much |
| 17:57:56 | Torne | Er, but it probably *won't* |
| 17:58:17 | n1s | there are the weird separate-fm-radio-thatt-just-uses-the-ipod-for-battery things |
| 17:58:31 | Torne | n1s: true. they don't require an fms, though :) |
| 17:58:31 | polemon | even if it doesn't 4 euros isn't a fortune |
| 17:59:06 | n1s | Torne: true, and i'd expect something like that for 4€ |
| 17:59:16 | polemon | it's supposed to be controllable with iPod |
| 17:59:27 | n1s | then it might work |
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| 18:00:25 | polemon | but it's analogue radio only |
| 18:00:58 | Torne | yes, they all are, i expect |
| 18:00:59 | polemon | and they will shut down analogue radio in the next few years, here... |
| 18:01:09 | [Saint] | Its probably on of those FM sender things. |
| 18:01:18 | [Saint] | those are like $1 here |
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| 18:01:25 | n1s | omgwtflol, the slimdevices guy responded and attached the patch he used for tremor to skip the comment packet |
| 18:01:25 | [Saint] | *one of |
| 18:01:31 | Torne | polemon: if you link to the thing you are looking at we can probably identify it ;) |
| 18:01:51 | [Saint] | n1s: Nice? |
| 18:01:53 | Torne | i have never seen an ipod DAB receiver |
| 18:01:56 | polemon | http://v.gd/2jz2K0 <−−- German eBay |
| 18:02:29 | [Saint] | looks promising. |
| 18:02:31 | Torne | Oh, when you say 4 euro you mean "irrelevant starting bid on ebay" |
| 18:02:46 | Torne | anyway yes, that is teh actual apple radio remote and should work on rockbox, as long as IAP works on the nano2g these days |
| 18:03:08 | Torne | I would be very surprised if the closing price is not significantly higher, though, it has over a day to go and that thing new costs ten times that much |
| 18:03:12 | [Saint] | I can't remember if it does. And all my Nano2Gs are in the car. |
| 18:03:18 | [Saint] | And its cold outside... |
| 18:03:21 | bertrik | it doesn't |
| 18:03:33 | [Saint] | Ah, there you go. No point, polemon. |
| 18:03:45 | polemon | hm |
| 18:03:51 | Torne | Right |
| 18:03:55 | Torne | Yeah, i just looked, it's not enabled |
| 18:03:58 | Torne | presumably we don't have a serial driver |
| 18:04:15 | [Saint] | Before you say anythign about "well why do these themes have an .fms then?"...they are also themes for the Nano1G, which *does* support it. |
| 18:04:40 | [Saint] | themes are sorted by screen resolution, not be device. |
| 18:04:42 | bertrik | There's a patch for iap/serial on the nano 2g, but I don't think anybody tried it yet. Also we might need some other magic thing to make serial work. |
| 18:05:04 | [Saint] | TheSeven looked into it once, I believe. |
| 18:05:19 | [Saint] | I seem to remember him saying it'd be semi-trivial to get it working. |
| 18:06:09 | Torne | probably. |
| 18:06:16 | Torne | serial is not too hard, and then IAP should just work |
| 18:06:18 | bertrik | Torne, [Saint] : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12082 |
| 18:06:30 | bertrik | and I don't think TheSeven looked into it |
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| 18:07:18 | [Saint] | He certainly has...but, not into this patch specifically. |
| 18:07:34 | [Saint] | What I remember from the discussion was before this patch was created. |
| 18:07:47 | bertrik | that was just idle talk, AFAIK |
| 18:07:54 | polemon | ok, this solved the issue with the fms, I won't bother making one, then |
| 18:08:20 | [Saint] | Nano1G owners will be pissed ;) |
| 18:08:33 | polemon | erm, can RockBox access the internal speaker of iPod nanos? |
| 18:08:52 | [Saint] | No. Not without a patch. |
| 18:08:58 | polemon | I might make one eventually |
| 18:09:03 | polemon | pity |
| 18:09:15 | polemon | would be nice to make the iPod play music all by itself |
| 18:09:24 | polemon | even though it'd sound like crap |
| 18:09:47 | [Saint] | Ummmm..no. |
| 18:09:57 | [Saint] | A piezo playing music...just no. |
| 18:10:10 | [Saint] | keyclicks and beeps, yes. |
| 18:10:14 | [Saint] | Music, no. |
| 18:10:24 | polemon | chiptunes? |
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| 18:14:28 | TheSeven | well, you have a hardware pwm for the piezo, so you *might* actually be able to play PCM audio on it |
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| 18:14:36 | TheSeven | it would of course sound pretty much crappy |
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| 18:48:40 | n1s | [Saint_AndChat]: yes, nice. If it works out it should make rb able to play vorbis files with embedded album art |
| 18:49:07 | n1s | it is against slimdevices' heavily patched up tremor from the "low-mem" branch though |
| 18:49:16 | n1s | so needs a bit of adjustment |
| 18:49:42 | [Saint_AndChat] | We should in fact print a splash questioning the users sanity qhen aa is embedded in vorbis ;) |
| 18:50:00 | n1s | yes |
| 18:50:46 | [Saint_AndChat] | But, that is good. Its nice to be able to handle these cases. |
| 18:50:49 | n1s | well, it will help when othe metadata is too big, it doesn't really matter if that is aa or not |
| 18:51:31 | [Saint_AndChat] | I've found many vorbis files with massive aa. |
| 18:52:05 | [Saint_AndChat] | Its a sin in any audio. |
| 18:52:59 | * | [Saint_AndChat] has never seen the need for multiple copies of the same image to be in his audio. |
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| 18:54:46 | [Saint_AndChat] | I once "acquired" an album that had the cover, the CD label, and a scan of the booklet insert embedded in each file. Stripping the tags reduced the size by ~400MB |
| 18:56:49 | gevaerts | [Saint_AndChat]: so how does your alternating sublines solution work if I *don't* have a fixed string, but e.g. %Lt? |
| 18:57:23 | [Saint_AndChat] | ...it'll fail miserably. |
| 18:57:48 | [Saint_AndChat] | I thought you only wanted to scroll "Rockbox" in this way. |
| 18:58:13 | [Saint_AndChat] | Sorry, I must have misread. |
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| 18:59:11 | gevaerts | The "rockbox" I mentioned was an example to show what I meant by "rotating". My sbs had %Lt all along |
| 18:59:35 | [Saint_AndChat] | Oh. Right, apologies. |
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| 19:00:15 | gevaerts | I'm still interested in a way of doing this with the current tags if you manage to think of any :) |
| 19:00:23 | [Saint_AndChat] | I can only think of how to do it with a fixed string. |
| 19:01:05 | [Saint_AndChat] | Ill see if I can come up with something though, you never know. |
| 19:01:27 | saratoga | n1s: what is this for tremor? |
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| 19:21:28 | saratoga | any arm asm people around? |
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| 20:13:36 | CIA-14 | New commit by fredwbauer (r30606): glyph_bytes() should pad to an even number |
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| 20:15:56 | CIA-14 | r30606 build result: All green |
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| 20:30:17 | bertrik | freddyb, does that fix some recent bug? |
| 20:33:33 | freddyb | Nothing major, but you would not get room for the requested number of glyphs if glyph_bytes() was odd. It was there for a while... |
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| 20:53:06 | freddyb | Is there no interest in FS #12293? If someone can live with just 250 glyphs, it saves 48,000 bytes on CabbieV2 (ipod) and 86,000 bytes on iLike... |
| 20:53:08 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12293 Global default glyph size setting for gui/skins (patches, new) |
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| 20:56:16 | * | bertrik thinks about making a 96x96 cabbiev2 |
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| 20:59:49 | bertrik | What would be a good way of doing this? perhaps take the 128x128 theme and scale that down? |
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| 21:01:32 | saratoga | i would just truncate them and then let someone else fix the images once theres a working port :) |
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| 21:13:45 | saratoga | does "ldmpc" in rockbox evaluate to "ldmia!{...}; bx lr" ? |
| 21:16:56 | pamaury | depends on the arm version ? |
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| 21:21:00 | saratoga | yeah i guess if i'm doing armv5 code i can just use "ldmia sp!, {r4-r11, pc}" |
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| 22:00:28 | CIA-14 | New commit by bluebrother (r30607): Replace bootloader object rules with suffix rules. |
| 22:02:04 | CIA-14 | r30607 build result: All green |
| 22:05:18 | * | Zagor does the 94 second build dance |
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| 22:14:12 | Torne | We've moved Gerrit to gerrit.rockbox.org and it's all working |
| 22:14:15 | Torne | Thanks very much to Zagor |
| 22:14:38 | Bagder | wow |
| 22:15:01 | Torne | Well, that's only step 1 |
| 22:15:13 | Torne | we still need to set up automatic mirroring, migrate all the build infrastructure, etc :) |
| 22:15:22 | Torne | but it's now on our machine instead of the random vps it was on |
| 22:15:27 | * | Lalufu is bisecting an mini 2g crash |
| 22:15:30 | Torne | so, progress :) |
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| 22:21:49 | Viperfang | so, discontinuing the svn? |
| 22:23:08 | Zagor | Viperfang: yes, eventually |
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| 22:36:16 | Lalufu | JdGordon: I'm afraid 30589 broke something in my ipod mini 2g. |
| 22:36:48 | Lalufu | start playing a song, insert USB, wait for the disk to mount, pull usb. instant Data abort. |
| 22:37:22 | Lalufu | is there a way to get a coredump out of the thing? |
| 22:37:29 | Zagor | no |
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| 22:41:00 | gevaerts | Lalufu: the first address is the place in the code it crashes at, which you can then use to find the code using the elf file and objdump. In this case I'll bet it's in font_get() |
| 22:42:03 | Lalufu | let's see... |
| 22:42:43 | Lalufu | hm. starting a song _after_ pulling USB seems to be unhealthy as well. |
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| 22:44:27 | Lalufu | font_unload() it is. |
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| 22:47:57 | Lalufu | JdGordon: FS #12295 |
| 22:47:57 | fs-bluebot | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12295 Commit 30589 causes repeatable iPod Mini 2G crash (bugs, unconfirmed) |
| 22:51:25 | CIA-14 | New commit by bluebrother (r30608): Prevent unnecessary rebuilding of libs. ... |
| 22:52:51 | * | Torne looks at the svn properties and gags slightly |
| 22:53:09 | Torne | so, for various files we have svn:keywords set to various keywords |
| 22:53:09 | pixelma | bertrik: if nothing has changed then the 128x128 port is one of the worst already, not sure if it's a good idea to depend on that ;) |
| 22:53:12 | CIA-14 | r30608 build result: All green |
| 22:53:27 | Torne | including "Data" "native" and "Larent Gautier 12/01/09 R23800" |
| 22:53:39 | bluebrother | we do? |
| 22:53:44 | bertrik | haha |
| 22:54:12 | * | Torne is intending to solve this via the cunning "throw away all keywords" mechanism |
| 22:54:21 | bertrik | pixelma, ok, I guess I'm taking too many steps ahead with the sansa clip zip anyway ... |
| 22:54:55 | bluebrother | "throw away" as in simply remove them or as in remove all the lines from the sources as well? |
| 22:55:20 | Torne | remove the lines from the sources as well |
| 22:55:44 | bluebrother | good idea. I was considering to do that for Rockbox Utility a while ago as well :) |
| 22:58:26 | bluebrother | anyway, looks like I can now finish voice string corrections for Rockbox Utility |
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