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#rockbox log for 2011-09-30

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00:01:42pixelmaZagor: maybe a problem of me not understanding it correctly - does the screen size still count as the full screen and only the statusbar overlapping? Hmm, no, then the statement about pixel-perfect lower borders would be wrong... I'm a bit confused still it seems
00:02:30Zagorno, the space for the status are does not count as our screen space. so we have a smaller screen now.
00:02:42Zagorit's "pushed down"
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00:08:10[7]jludwig: heh, as soon as people see a first sign of partial success they start skipping instructions and think they're finished
00:09:10pixelmais it really - how to put it - diminished or pushed down into unusable or invisible space?
00:10:13ZagorI don't understand the question
00:10:58pixelmaI was afraid so
00:12:29pixelmais the new screen height really full height - status bar height or still full hight but pushed down that you just can't see the bottom rows
00:13:10Zagorinternally in rockbox or in android?
00:13:30pixelmait's just that I'm still surprised about backdrops being cropped
00:13:55pixelmain Rockbox
00:14:33Zagorright, the rockbox frame buffer is unchanged. the cropping is done by android.
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00:20:03pixelmaaha. So it might have other implications, e.g. there is this way of viewport positioning off of the right or bottom border using negative values where that could be visible too, or hmm... what if e.g. someone now uses a font height less than android status bar height and the last line of a menu would be at the bottom and since that menu would just fit and hence isn't scrollable - wouldn't you end up being unable to select or even see that item?
00:21:48Zagoryes. the are zillions of bugs when using fixed-pixel positioning on a dynamic-size screens.
00:22:14Zagoragain, my statusbar commit did not cause that!
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00:22:34pixelmait made it worse for now though
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00:23:20ZagorI disagree. I think it took the android app a big step towards looking like a proper app.
00:24:00Zagoryes, themes need to be adjusted. but we can't release with these themes anyway, they are just temporary test files.
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00:29:27pixelmahaving impossible menu items is a usability issue though. And yes I missed the android status bar at first too but am concerned about this half-solution, it's just not how I work
00:30:02Zagorthis is not a half-solution. themes on android is a half-solution.
00:30:53ZagorI would like to discuss a proper solution instead of bickering about how the status bar affects the current non-solution
00:31:53pixelmayeah, I'd liked a discussion about that before
00:45:58jludwigI'd just like to say.. <333 Rockbox so far
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05:16:08csaveryHey. Just upgraded to 3.9.1 and haven't been on here for more than a year. There seems to be a bug in the WPS<>PictureFlow integration that was not present in my last version. I coded some improvements to WPS<>PictureFlow integration last year and so this is a surprise to me. When switching back from PictureFlow to WPS now it loses the album image. That is, when first playing an album it shows the album art on WPS but now it seems any time you leave WPS and
05:16:59csaveryOops. Note - this is on Sansa Fuze v2.
05:23:41LloreanThe best plan is to file a proper bug report if it's still broken in current builds.
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05:26:22nrgi have a pretty old build like 1 year + of rockbox for fuze v2
05:26:30nrghave there been a lot of good improvements?
05:26:42nrgthis one is working fine for me so i haven't upgraded
05:27:23csaveryJust did a bit more fiddling around and I think it's related to theme cfg file. I checked Cabbie v2 and it works ok. But my own custom "sonata" cfg shows this problem. I recall hearing that theme cfg files were changing format. I guess there is some version issues that I'm seeing cause this problem.
05:30:51csaveryWere the themes on the web site all comnverted at some time. I see my Sonata theme there still so maybe I should download it and try it if it's been updated.
05:41:55csaverynrg: I don't know all improvements but I did read that the codecs efficiency was improved in some release notes. I think likely some things like that are better. I upgraded as I just expected maybe a few quirky bugs I see may have been fixed in the last year. Hoping for that anyway. I saved my old .rockbox folder so can go back if not any real gain.
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08:30:13CIA-14New commit by zagor (r30620): Disable android status bar again, until we have a generic theme solution.
08:30:44kugelZagor: I see you found out why it wasn't enabled yet :)
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08:31:23kugelZagor:perhaps yyou want to continue kugel-rb.git/shortlog/refs/heads/host_statusbar"> ?
08:31:29tripelbI need help. I have a sans fuze with rockbox. I went thru all the setting and finally it's readable to my eyes and doesnt look so amature I cant stand it. (I still cant figure out how to record.) But I want to connect it to this mac and the mac thinks it's a keyboard! But the sansa saysMultimedia something or other. Could you PLEASE help this woman out and tell me how to adjust it for utility. I want to be able to look at the file syst
08:31:29tripelbem of the sansa through usb. (at least it can see it,! thats a good thing.) one thing at a time!! and did I yet say ... thanks!
08:31:44ZagorI rather found out that it's apparently impossible to discuss the solution while status bar is enabled
08:31:49kugelit adds the host statusbar as new statusbar option, so it can be disabled by themes (e.g. in the wps)
08:32:04CIA-14r30620 build result: All green
08:32:25tripelbI remember that there was such a control but I spent a loong time yesterday looking thru almost everything in the menus.
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08:33:44kugelthe only problem is that android doesn't seem to handle it well if I force the framebuffer's origin at [0, 0] even with statusbar (enabling the bar causes a short glitch with that patch)
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08:35:24ZagorI don't think fullscreen is important. the screens on android devices are huge already, and the status/notification bar is an important part of android.
08:36:11Zagorso I won't put effort into making that an option. although I probably won't argue against if anyone else wants to do it.
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08:37:51kugelI agree we shouldn't default to deactivating, but if it's up to the theme I don't mind it as an option
08:38:28kugelI thought integrating it with the current statusbar framework is possibly less effort
08:39:29chkktri_oh kugel here
08:39:42chkktri_is you one who works on maemo port?
08:40:36chkktri_ah then who works?
08:40:45kugelnobody at the moment
08:41:02chkktri_and theres no info on compiling it?
08:41:05kugelthomasjfox did all the hard work, though
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08:41:46kugelchkktri_: try
08:41:48Zagorone early thing to do is fix the skin engine to allow overlapping images and thus remove the need for putting UI elements in the backdrop
08:41:51chkktri_i got nin existing packages error but they seems to be maemo ones and can't be instaled on ubuntu
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08:42:23ZagorI didn't know we had such a limitation
08:42:43chkktri_does thomas visits this channel?
08:42:46kugelwell, if we support more than 1bit alpha then it might work
08:43:03Zagorno, this is not about alpha
08:43:04kugelbut often you put stuff on the backdrop because it allows for nicer borders
08:43:38Zagorsorry, it is.
08:43:55tripelbHelp me. It's now playing music and I dont know how to get out of that mode. I was in Edit settings. I put it down, the whole thing turned off and when I turned it back on it was in play music mode. yesterday I must have set it in start up with play music mode. HELP
08:44:09tripelbThis has been totally unworkable for me.
08:44:25tripelbAnd I want to hook it to the mac.
08:44:40Zagorpartially, it is. but even without >1 bit alpha, proper overlap removes the need for backdrop in cabbie
08:44:45kugelZagor: we have the ability to do 4bit alpha channel, it's used for anti aliased fonts
08:45:26kugelright, for cabbie it's mostly overlapping
08:45:36tripelbI need to record some meditations so I can play them back. I got into garage band a little but I didnt know how to get the metronome gone. It was a game of try and see what wored in garage band. Hacking we used to call that. It was pretty unworkable. I never thought that I would lust for "sound recorder' (basic windows thingy.
08:45:36Zagorso that's a start
08:46:02kugeldoes cabbie even have elements on the backdrop?
08:46:09kugelthe top bar perhaps
08:46:12pixelmatripelb: disable the USB HID option, I forgot where exactly the option is but I guess in general settings > system
08:46:20Zagoryes, grey buttons and progress background
08:46:20CIA-14New commit by jethead71 (r30621): Do a bandaid fix for the moment to address FS #12250 : Playback freezes when using speed or pitch change. Task should remain open for now since this is ...
08:46:31Zagorand the top bar, yes
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08:46:51kugelZagor: you mean svn cabbie?
08:47:15kugelboth can be solved using other tags
08:47:37pixelmaZagor: those wouldn't be needed even today. From what I remember you could have the same look without placing them in the backdrop
08:47:40Zagorhow? I fiddled with it yesterday but was unable to get any overlap.
08:47:52Zagorpixelma: great!
08:48:00kugelindeed, saint's cabbie doesnt have elements on the backdrop
08:48:04CIA-14r30621 build result: All green
08:48:04pixelmawhat overlap?
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08:48:35Zagorpixelma: progress bar and shuffle/repeat buttons need to be drawn on top of their dimmed counterparts
08:48:47Zagoror is there another solution?
08:49:30pixelmajust put the grey images (the dimmed ones) into the false comditions, they will be replaced completely anyway
08:49:35Zagorof course, I don't want the shuffle/repeat buttons there so primarily progressbar then ;-)
08:49:46pixelmaconditions too
08:50:03chkktri_i dint compiled it in scratchbox, that was problem
08:50:16Zagorpixelma: ok, nice. how do I fix the progressbar?
08:50:34pixelmaand I believe you can have separate background images for the background but never tried that myself
08:51:01pixelmathe later background should have been a progress bar
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08:52:57Zagorkugel: aha, thanks
08:53:02pixelmaI think placing the playback controls centered and the shuffle and repeat buttons to their left and right would be a compromise between cabbiev2 and android feel... just an idea I just had, not sure if it's really goog
08:53:08pixelmaor good
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08:53:23kugelanother reason for stuff in the backdrop is that you can put text over images
08:53:32ZagorI think shuffle and repeat belong in the popup
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08:54:22tripelbhello I sawa this turn blue... for meeee
08:54:48pixelmapopup means at least one more button press and possibly moving fingers in between. I'm not a huge fan of those but since I usually don't change those option I don't care much
08:54:50tripelbpixelma, right now I cant get out of play song mode. I am baffled.
08:55:55Zagorpixelma: I don't think anyone changes those options frequently enough to require them as single-click
08:56:19pixelmatripelb: I don't fully understand - do you mean that you can't stop the music or not get to the menu or?
08:56:22tripelbpixelma, I appreciate your help. I''d found somthing about that on the manual
08:56:35tripelbI dont know how to stop the music and get in menu mode. pixelma
08:57:04*tripelb changes mick to triplebma (heh) in harmony...
08:57:20pixelmaplease no
08:57:42tripelbthere are 6 button presses and one wheel? that's all she wrote
08:58:21tripelbI cant do other things (tripleb hushes her mouth and focuses)
08:58:48pixelmaand what the manual tells you about the key mapping in the while playing screen doesn't work?
08:59:18*pixelma doesn't have a Fuze so wouldn't know
08:59:25tripelbI dont know what key mapping in the while playing screen. I never heard those words. I will check for that in the manual
09:00:30pixelmaZagor: I was thinking about having a similar feel to non-app cabbies, as I said a compromise ;)
09:00:32tripelbnothing helpful in the namual. only in a paragraph about the chip and in the line
09:00:55tripelbHelp: opens a brief help screen with key mapping and functionality (but I dont know what that means)
09:01:25tripelbOK powecycle pixelma. when in doubt ~ HEH
09:02:19tripelbOMG I got menu (song still playing by holding the center button down.
09:02:48tripelbI would kill to find a "key map" (if that's the word for a picture of what buttons do what)
09:03:23pixelmaWPS key controls under the 'While Playing Screen' heasline
09:04:05Zagordo some wps tags use ( and some < or is that just mixed in the wiki page?
09:04:17Zagor() and<> for the parameter list, I mean
09:04:24tripelbits a context menu and vaishes easily to give me a map of suing the keys to change settings.(the play keymapping doesnt work in that mode) −− clever how it makes the keys have many contextual meanings.
09:04:30tripelboh song over, repeats...
09:05:13tripelbok figured out how to get to the menu. far out
09:05:52tripelbHID off
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09:06:28pixelmaZagor: both exist - () are usually parameters of the tags <> for conditional statements inside but I also saw some html goofing on that wiki page
09:06:31kugelZagor: no, () is for params, <> is for conditional lists
09:06:37tripelbwill try to connect again. Question: do I need to stop the music to have the computer see the fuze as a drive? pixelma??
09:06:42Zagorok, thanks
09:06:59kugellike %if(x,y,z)<true|false>
09:07:37tripelbI made the start screen be Files and not Resume playback
09:07:56*tripelb grins but really wants pixelma with me. plz
09:10:25tripelbI cant STOP the music.
09:10:44tripelbreally. , is there another channel in which I can ask this?????
09:10:53tripelbits too easy for you here?
09:12:37MerdamWhy am I getting this error message?
09:12:49pixelmaZagor: for a set of screen sizes that don't differ too much you could already have cabbiev2 adjust a bit (by using the negative number positioning or leave blanks below). But I guess it would be nice if Rockbox knew the correct resulting usable height without android statusbar
09:14:14Zagor"correct resulting usable height without android statusbar"?
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09:22:01Zagorahhh. /me fixed the over-wide CustomWPS page
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09:55:10bertrikthe clip zip to be rockboxed shipped :)
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10:16:53pixelmaZagor: lcd height minus status bar height, so that there can't be stuff offscreen
10:17:56Zagoryou need an awful amount of hacking in every theme to make use of that information though
10:18:31pixelmanot as far as I can imagine now
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18:45:56Zharfhi, would it be possible for me to write a completely new UI for android using the engine at the base to do the actual playing and such but having my own UI logic?
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19:08:05Buschelchkktri_: hi, can you confirm that the fix by gama solves the issue with VRC7 detune for you?
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19:47:22wodzI recall we had at tool which printed bin size of the function, where can I find this?
19:49:37bertrikmaybe you mean /utils/analysis/bloatometer ?
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19:50:07wodzit compares two elf files I think
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20:01:11bertrikkeyb_gr, did you notice any effect on runtime with the patch for higher internal voltages on the clip+?
20:02:59wodzbertrik: how is clip zip?
20:03:22bertrikwodz, I have not received it yet, but it's on its way
20:04:00keyb_grbertrik: To be honest I've never done any battery benchmarks, but extrapolated runtime from battery indication seems around the 15 hour mark or a bit short. The effect can't be huge (nor would it be expected to).
20:04:07bertrikbasically everything is ready to start debugging, the bootloader and the main firmware compile
20:04:12wodzI misunderstood than
20:04:49bertrikthe clip zip uses the same internal PMU settings BTW, except it sets on additional voltage :)
20:05:34keyb_grbertrik: What do you think of taking the voltage related parts and making a patch for all AMSv2 targets? Would this work?
20:06:54bertrikthe only thing to make it apply to all AMSv2 players is to remove the #if 0 in system-as3525.c
20:09:06keyb_grAh, OK. So I take it all AMSv2 players use the default voltage so far? How'd people get 630 mVrms (~1.8Vpp) out of a Clip+ then? Or was this an "old" Clip?
20:10:48keyb_grMaximum output at the default of 1.65 V should be 583 mVrms max.
20:11:06bertrikI don't know where you got those numbers
20:12:04bertrikthe "old" clip (clipv1) uses an "AMSv1" SoC, the clipv2 and the clip+ use an AMSv2 SoC
20:13:46keyb_gr^ That I know. When was the last time either of the AMS targets got louder in RB? People seemed proud that RB went louder than OF. That was output mixer related, IIRC...
20:14:03bertrikAccording to the datasheet, the old settings give about 0.550 mV RMS.
20:14:10bertrikWe disabled the AGC at some point I think
20:15:31bertrikDo you still get "squeeks" when pausing/unpausing?
20:16:14keyb_grbertrik: Yeah, disabling the AGC for AMSv2 was a patch of mine. 550 mVrms is about what I'd have expected. I'd have to listen for pause/unpause noises... weren't these only there with fade on?
20:18:58bertrikYes, this happened during fade. The noise seems to be related to the autofade option of the hardware. When I disable that, the noise changes into a single click instead.
20:21:11bertrikbut maybe the click will be gone with the new PMU settings
20:25:29keyb_grListening with my SE420s, I could hear one faint squeak the first time fade-in/out is used. Compared to regular data access noise, that's nothing.
20:26:32wodz\o/ - finally made backtrace from UIE working
20:26:43*keyb_gr really needs to replace those tips on the Shures though...
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20:42:04*bertrik looks for someone who can help make the clipv1 and clipv2 boot properly again
20:44:09wodzbertrik: svn revert can help you :-)
20:46:20bertrikwodz, I tried a revert in git, but failed. I'm not that good at git though.
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20:50:30bertrikit looks I'll have to revert 4 other commits too then, because they rely on the thing that broke clipv1/v2 booting
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20:56:12Buschelhmm, my iPod Video does not connect via USB when running rockbox. it connects fine when using the disk mode
20:59:09wodzBuschel: is it recent behavior? There ware changes ~2 weeks ago how usb is detected
20:59:29Buschelyes, that's recent
21:00:24pamaurywodz: nice backtrace :)
21:00:25Buschelah, I see the changes. r30546-30549
21:00:58wodzpamaury: thanks
21:01:32bertrikwodz, there are a lot of other patches depending on the offending commit (14), so reverting is a bit tricky. I hope we can fix this instead of wholesale reverting.
21:01:55pamaurywhat is the offending commit ?
21:01:57Zagordoes anyone know of a way to measure cpu load on android with some level of accuracy?
21:02:28bertrikpamaury, svn r 30589
21:03:06bertrikit prevents the clipv1 and clipv2 from properly booting (display goes black and player is unresponsive)
21:05:13pamauryhum, doesn't quite respond
21:07:36Zagorit's very quick for me
21:10:18Zagorhmm, rockbox uses cpu even when playback is paused :(
21:11:16wodz <- this is backtrace from screenshot deciphered
21:11:51Zagoron android. I'm running "top -m 10 -d 2 -s cpu" and see org.rockbox using 1-4% cpu even when paused and defocused
21:13:24Zagorremoving the widget doesn't help either
21:16:21Zagorthe good news is our playback is slightly leaner (by a few percent) than stock
21:16:31jhMikeSthere is some activity when paused with buffering, the codec and audio but mostly it should be asleep in timeout
21:16:39Zagorthough I'm not sure I catch any cpu scaling effects here
21:16:47Zagorthere should be none though
21:17:50ZagorjhMikeS: yes, I am surprised
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21:20:12jhMikeSit doesn't abate after a few seconds?
21:20:37Zagorno, it's keeps running
21:21:40bertrikkugel, freddyb any idea about the boot problems on clipv1 and clipv2?
21:21:50Zagorhmm, do we have any tick tasks running?
21:22:36jhMikeSif nothing else, the timer itself
21:23:02Zagorthere are two threads running. one consistently >1% and one just occasionally visible in the top-10 threads
21:23:24Zagorbut all our threads are called "Rockbox thread" so it doesn't help much :)
21:23:56ZagorI'll see if they can have some more meningful names
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21:24:15jhMikeSI think there's an input thread and the timer in addition to the main "rockbox thread" ... kugel could probably answer that better though
21:24:55jhMikeSthere's a pcm thread too
21:25:18bertrikcan we make the rockbox scheduler "tickless" perhaps?
21:25:40Zagoror at least stop the tick when we're minimised and idle
21:26:38jhMikeSthe second option would be easiest in the short term, I would think
21:28:44Zagorwhich of our vorbis test files are the most demanding to play. high-bitrate or low-bitrate?
21:29:21Zagorhmm, codecbenchmark should answer that.....
21:30:19Zagoranswer: high bitrate
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21:35:10BuscheljhMikeS: since r30546 my iPod VIdeo does not connect via USB when rockbox is running (diskmode works fine). with r30545 everything works as expected
21:36:13Zagorargh, does anyone know how I trigger an android database scan?
21:40:30Zagorwodz: \o/
21:44:24pamauryis it me or the website is slow as hell ?
21:44:25Zagorwe are significantly faster (~25%) on 500kbit vorbis
21:44:45Zagorpamaury: it's you
21:45:50pamaurythen why is rockbox is the only slow website :-/
21:46:38Zagoris also slow?
21:46:44Zagorit's close on the net
21:47:19Zagorthe it's the network
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22:04:44bluebrotherwodz: nice :)
22:05:26jhMikeSBuschel: Was USB_DETECT_BY_CORE left undefined or something? It works on other PP I have.
22:08:16BuscheljhMikeS: at a first glance this looks ok to me
22:08:20bertrikwodz, nice, but I'm a bit surprised how complex this appears to be. The code seems to do a kind of ARM emulation in some parts.
22:09:13pamaurybertrik: that's exactly how it works
22:11:10wodzbertrik: would you prefer to port libunwind? :-)
22:11:12bertrikalso, it seems to use its own set of basic types, it could have used stdint.h I suppose
22:11:56wodzbertrik: sure I can clean this up if we decide we want this in
22:12:39pamaurywodz: I think it will be necessary to clean it up anyway
22:13:17wodzpamaury: ?
22:14:25pamauryit defines its own data types, even for perfectlmy standard things
22:15:42wodzpamaury: sure but as I wrote it is rather easy task which I'll be happy to do AFTER we decide this is feature we want to have. Currently this is simply proof-of-concept
22:16:07pamauryyes of course
22:16:15wodzI changed as little as possible in original source
22:16:45bertrikthat can be a good thing too, for easy syncs with upstream
22:17:20wodzI bet there will not be any syncs - this code is from 2007 or so
22:17:27pamauryI think it's public domain and unlikely to change
22:21:22jhMikeSBuschel: at this point, things that use the audio buffer aren't going to be informed about other buflib allocs. playback seems to be assumed to be they only one that should care, which isn't the case. I'm just putting that out there as a possible thing, but I'm not sure if that's affecting this.
22:22:10Buschel? this affects USB ?
22:23:16jhMikeSstorage, it possibly could, since audio_get_buffer is used
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22:26:19wodznow I am introducing asm snippet which cause data abort in various places and look if backtrace is resonable
22:28:52*jhMikeS will do a recheck with a recent build with a known working taget (in past builds) using CORE detect (sa9200)
22:29:44Buschelif I unroll those changes (r30546 + r30549) against current svn it works again
22:33:31jhMikeSyes, but the order of events could change since it's not detect in an ISR now
22:36:15Buschelchkktri_: you there?
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22:52:36jhMikeShah...sa9200 won't boot any longer. it just hangs at the splash
22:53:09wodzfamous font patch problem?
22:53:27*jhMikeS has no idea
22:53:54*jhMikeS has quite a few targets he hasn't checked out in awhile
22:56:11wodzthat's good you hit this - it gives the hope of the issue being fixed in the near future :-)
22:56:51*jhMikeS is a bit swamped in his usual domain already :-\
22:58:06jhMikeSI never see the firmware splash, just the bootloader one
23:00:47jhMikeSonto e200v1 and see what happens
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23:30:56freddybIs anyone online who can't boot?
23:32:27jhMikeScan't boot as in?
23:33:39freddybAs in their device will not boot properly with the current SVN build.
23:34:48bertrikfreddyb, yes, my clipv1 won't boot and there are reports of the same problem with clipv2
23:35:25jhMikeSso far for me, clipv1 and sa9200
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23:36:17jhMikeSthere are also issues with mpegplayer not being able to render text now
23:36:34freddybWould you try this and see if it helps?
23:36:59freddybDo you know if mpeg is having trouble with regular or sideways?
23:39:10jhMikeSrotated text on a portrait target, on e200v1 text is blank but menus work, i haven't tried checked a landscape display yet
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23:40:24freddybThe reason I asked is that mpeg player has it's own font rendering for sideways text, IIRC
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23:45:34freddybjhMikeS: yes it fixes your problem?
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23:46:06bertrikfreddyb, I'll try it on my clipv1
23:46:16bertrikcan't test mpeg on that ... :P
23:46:28bertrik(or can I?)
23:46:45jhMikeSfreddyb: I'm on my way to that...I had a couple thigs to look at
23:47:17freddybI didn't touch mpeg. That patch I just posted moves more stuff in the main init() call.
23:47:50*gevaerts fears early usb
23:48:36bertriknope, it still hangs at boot with dark display. I'll do a make clean and try again just to be sure
23:49:03jhMikeSbertrik: you've got it handled then? :)
23:49:30bertrikhandled what?
23:49:36jhMikeShmmm...all the PP targets so far that will run are entering USB mode just fine
23:49:41jhMikeSbertrik: testing the patch
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23:51:10jhMikeSI guess that's all the PP5020 models I've got and sa9200 was untestable
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23:51:53freddybgevaerts: why? Did something change?
23:52:22gevaertsfreddyb: not yet :) Changes to init order tend to be risky for early usb
23:52:26bertriktried a clean compile, clipv1 still can't reach the main menu
23:52:50jhMikeSah almost forgot, h10 5-6 gb too :-0
23:54:21bertriklast time I tried, my clip+ would boot normally with clean SVN, but not with usb support enabled
23:54:54bertrikis there some kind of circular init dependency now?
23:56:26nrg_where can a find a good reference for ARM specs?
23:56:33nrg_like the ISA etc
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23:57:03freddybcould you boot before r30613?
23:58:01bertrikI don't know, should I try r30612?

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