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#rockbox log for 2011-10-09

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00:46:36kugelrasher: ping
00:46:44rasherkugel: pong
00:47:13kugelcan the lang tool do this for all langs?
00:48:33kugelor I'll just leave the situation that the sleep timer is not in a time&date submenu on non-rtc
00:48:48rasherdoesn't seem so
00:49:36rasherActually yeah, it can't even do anything close to that
00:50:06rasherShouldn't take too long to do manually :)
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01:58:01kugelhm, what's the difference between ID2P() and str() ?
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04:22:12theeilHey, can anyone help with a cross-compiler issue? Host is archlinux 64bit. Using −−no-eabi for ipod classic. Get linker error: undefined reference to `__modsi3' (and others: __divdi3, __udivdi3.) Any ideas? Is −−no-eabi still supported (or supported at all for ipod classic?)
04:24:14tmzt_are you using the supplied toolchain method?
04:24:24tmzt_using the script in svn
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04:33:21theeilI'm trying to use the packaged cross-compilers
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04:34:25theeilI'm in the middle of compiling the ones from but was hoping to be able to use the compilers available through the arch repositories.
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04:37:48theeilapparently these missing functions are emulations of long long arithmetic which are supposed to be in libgcc.a
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08:33:51*[Saint] wonders why raaa has suddenly started eating through his battery.
08:34:24[Saint]Its using 20% cpu in the backgroung according to top.
08:34:53[Saint]It used to sit around 2% :-S
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08:53:46JdGordon[Saint]: making it just work with skinned lists is tecnically doable a number of ways
08:53:55JdGordon(it being line hieghts)
08:54:19[Saint]With how much pissing around?
08:54:41JdGordonfrom who's point of view?
08:56:11JdGordonthere is guarenteed to be no single bilver bullet for this.
08:56:36JdGordonkugels patch *only* works for people not using skinned lists which is a waste
08:56:44[Saint]This line height idea would be great if it defaulted off, let the theme handle list height in either "normal" ui viewport or skinned list, but give the opportunity to expand the lists optionally (default off), and had magic to detect the fallback and default on in that case.
08:56:51JdGordonthe skin engine could be made to try its best to move viewports around to make it work
08:58:44JdGordonthe default is mostly irrelevant, I care about the implementation, not the feature
08:58:47[Saint]The case where this matters really is the fallback, instead of defaulting to on, it should have magic to detect that.
09:00:52[Saint]Ill probably do a brain dump of how I'd prefer things worked later this eve, even though I was trying to gracefully dodge the subject :)
09:03:36JdGordonheck, if the themer only draws one list line per rectangle then it is trivial to resize it automagically to make line spacing work
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10:11:03amiconnkugel: (late answer) ID2P() is used to convert a languange string id to a virtual pointer, whereas str() returns the actual pointer (which may change at runtime)
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10:43:48n1samiconn: did you see my question about the player warning(s) yesterday ?
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10:48:49amiconnOh, hmm. I won't touch this right now. First rockbox needs to be made to work on hwcodec again, then I have a few other things I want to code
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11:18:56n1samiconn: i think just #ifdefing that code out for charcell is fine for now then
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12:03:13bertrikI wonder whether release 3.10 should be delayed a bit
12:04:31bertrikconsidering the recent problems with a large number of target not even completing the boot process and bugs like FS #12325
12:04:33fs-bluebot e200v1 screen corruption after USB connection since r30475 (bugs, new)
12:09:31kugelbertrik: when is it scheduled?
12:09:41kugelbertrik: also, the clip should boot again. doesn't it?
12:10:14bertrikrelease on october 31st, a branch a week before that and RC builds a week before that
12:10:42bertrikkugel, I'm not sure if clip boots again
12:12:11kugelI committed a supposed fix
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12:51:01pamauryrockchip definitely doesn't want to share their datasheets with us :(
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12:58:22JdGordonkugel: I'm not sure that fix was enough for the clip, my clip is booting again but its the whole fontcachefix patch
12:58:53JdGordonamiconn: did you try the patch on your hwcodec?
12:59:23JdGordonand, any chance you've got a miserable sunday ahead and want to fix the drawmode which uses the current pixels for the transparent instead of the backdrop image? :)
13:01:04[Saint]You're supposed to be in bed! ;)
13:03:27*alexbobp is in bed with rockbox
13:04:28*JdGordon shuddders
13:07:30JdGordon1) did you try the patch to fix hwcodec?
13:07:59amiconnThat wasn't the sentence I couldn't decode ;). And no, not yet, but about to
13:08:00JdGordon2) have you had any more thought about adding a draw mode for colour targets where the transparent colour leaves the current pixel as it is instead of using the background image
13:08:40amiconnAfaik it does that
13:10:20JdGordondoes it? err, it is a different draw mode i'm wanting then?
13:10:23*JdGordon cant remember :p
13:10:36JdGordonah yeah, use the background colour instead of image
13:11:08amiconnYeah, that's something I want to add
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13:33:06JdGordonhas anyone else done anything with buflib outside of playback?
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13:35:50kugelwhat do you mean with that?
13:36:07JdGordonhas anyone other than you and I actually used buflib
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13:37:24kugeldon't think so
13:38:14Lalufuwell, I use core_alloc() in the IAP rewrite. Does that count?
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13:39:22JdGordonLalufu: have you had to implement your own lock for it?
13:40:26JdGordonerr, how do you change the iconset in rockbox?
13:40:31JdGordonis it a cfg only setting?
13:40:31Lalufuthat's really I all do with it
13:41:57kugelLalufu: does that work? buflib buffers may move you know
13:42:11[Saint]JdGordon: .cfg, and the .sbs can load a(many?) iconsets also.
13:43:04Lalufukugel: so far it does. And how can they move? How am I supposed to deal with that?
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13:44:03kugelcall core_get_data() every time (between explicit or implicit yield()) you access the buffer, or have it updated in a move callback (see buflib.h)
13:46:41LalufuI see.
13:46:58Lalufuhow can I make sure buflib does not try to shrink my buffer?
13:47:06JdGordonI'm a dirty rotton lier... someone commit FS #12328
13:47:06fs-bluebot move icons onto buflib and remove the 24x24 max iconsize limitation (patches, new)
13:47:25kugelLalufu: it won't shrink your buffer
13:47:59Lalufuso the shrink_callback is never used?
13:48:30kugelit's used if you assign it
13:48:37Lalufuah, I see.
13:48:43kugelthe default is cannot-shrink
13:50:05Lalufudoes rockbox use cooperative or preemtive multitasking?
13:52:16LalufuOK, so I don't have to worry about a call to move the buffer coming in while I'm in the middle of a function.
13:52:37JdGordonjust as long as you know the functions you call wont yield
13:53:43kugelLalufu: right. only if you call other functions, and if you don't know whther that one yields
13:54:21LalufuOh, that is going to be fun.
13:55:30JdGordonit would have been easier if it explictliy locked on access.... but meh.... after reimplementing the same lock 4 times now im over that argument
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13:58:46kugelLalufu: remember you can also call core_get_data(). it's cheap, and then you don't need a locking scheme
13:59:01Lalufusince I currently allocate my memory with core_alloc() the problem never really arises, right? Or does that imply move_ and shrink_ functions that just return OK?
13:59:17Lalufucan I call core_get_data in interupt context?
14:01:11kugelhm, I'm not actually sure
14:02:08kugelI mean the function itself is safe. however the interrupt could happen during buflib operation
14:02:23LalufuThat is going to cause some trouble.
14:02:24kugelthe move isn't atomic in that regard
14:02:41Lalufuespecially as it's the RX buffer that takes up most of the space.
14:02:56Lalufuaccording to the spec the device could send us 64k of data.
14:03:06Lalufubefore, that was a static buffer.
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14:04:07kugelcould make the move operation interrupt safe
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14:09:16LalufuIf I read the buflib core correctly (and I have only skimmed it) then a buffer allocated via core_alloc() is not movable, anyway, right?
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14:09:41LalufuThat does not mean it's the right thing to do, but right now I ought to be safe from the buffer moving away beneath me.
14:10:11*JdGordon blushes his eyelids at Torne in the hope it speeds up the git move!
14:12:14kugelLalufu: no. a buffer allocated with core_alloc() is moveable
14:13:49Lalufuah, I see.
14:14:23kugelthe defaults are "movable but not shrinkable"
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14:15:38Lalufuso what is the correct way to handle this? I could a) go back to static buffers, which would waste 64k on every target built with IAP. Currently that's only the iPods, which have plenty of RAM
14:15:51Lalufuor b) implement a callback that returns BUFLIB_CB_CANNOT_MOVE
14:16:17kugelc) make it interrupt-safe :)
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14:17:10amiconnJdGordon: What is that patch supposed to fix for hwcodec specifically?
14:17:14Lalufuwell, that's on your side of the fence, I think.
14:17:48JdGordonamiconn: I'm not entirely sure what is broken on hwcodec, but that patch got the clip booting again
14:18:11amiconnThe clip+ boots just fine with current svn
14:18:39amiconnHwcodec still doesn't (only tested recv1 and Ondio FM so far) (without the patch)
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14:19:27JdGordonamiconn: clipv1, not clip+
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14:20:36amiconnHmm, weird
14:20:52amiconnJdGordon: The patch doesn't apply (two failed hunks) font.c
14:21:29JdGordonprobably because the commit kugel did yesterday
14:21:30amiconnHunk #1 FAILED at 77.
14:21:30amiconnHunk #2 FAILED at 105.
14:21:49amiconnof what?
14:21:57JdGordonthe conflict
14:22:02kugelLalufu: what do you mean?
14:22:07amiconnI only did −−dry-run
14:22:38*amiconn *always* does that before applying for real
14:23:22Lalufukugel: making buflib moves interupt safe is not something I can do in iap.c, is it? that has to be done in the buflib code?
14:23:56kugelLalufu: right. I can do that for you
14:24:30esalazionehg1hi guys!i'm having problem with ipod nano 2g with all the last releases and builds: playback hangs after some seconds (circa 8) and "undefined instruction at ..." appers..
14:25:00esalazionehg1i readabout it in an old forum theard but it's oldand nothing interesting is written until now...
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14:27:37CIA-14New commit by kugel (r30736): Protect the move operation of buflib against IRQs. ...
14:28:49esalazionehg1no one can help me with this issue on ipod nano 2g?
14:30:38CIA-14New commit by kugel (r30737): Fix audio_get_buffer() implementation on hwcodec, to be similar to the swcodec one. Should make hwcodec bood again.
14:32:04amiconnJdGordon: Hmm, somehow applying the patch (for real) doesn't make those conflict markers show up in the file
14:32:12kugelJdGordon: I think you can do better descriptions than in FS #12328
14:32:13fs-bluebot move icons onto buflib and remove the 24x24 max iconsize limitation (patches, new)
14:32:15CIA-14r30736 build result: 0 errors, 1 warnings (kugel committed)
14:34:20JdGordonamiconn: I'm not synced to master so i dont know what the conflict is. it should be simple to apply manually. check the firmware/font.c.rej file
14:35:11kugelsvn on hwcodec should be working again
14:35:13amiconnkugel: (r30737) Doesn't help
14:35:22amiconnStill hangs at splash screen
14:35:28bertrikpamaury, do you remember at which volume level you did the two battery benches on amsv2 for the voltage patch? The patch increases power used by the headphones by 3 dB and I wonder if that is the cause of the slightly higher power consumption
14:35:54CIA-14r30737 build result: 0 errors, 1 warnings (kugel committed)
14:36:16kugelamiconn: didnt you report it fixes things before?
14:36:22pamaurybertrik: I didn't change the volume between benches and I haven't used it since then I think so I can have a look if you want
14:36:23bertrikLalufu, we shouldn't be doing too much in interrupt context anyway, in my opinion
14:36:33amiconnYes, it fixed the crash (CPUAdrErr)
14:36:53amiconnThat doesn't mean it's fully working again
14:37:19kugelI hoped buflib fonts are working now
14:37:28*amiconn will sprinkle a few splashes into init()
14:39:05Lalufubertrik: agreed.
14:40:11ukleinekmaybe the wiki has ipv6 problems again?
14:40:28kugelLalufu, bertrik: I agree, but writing/reading from the buffers should work at least (that's why I didn't change other parts)
14:42:13JdGordonwhat can cause two files of the same name ending up in the same folder?
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14:43:23JdGordonarent IRQ's disabled when in an irq handler anyway?
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14:44:07ukleinekJdGordon: on ARM the I-bit is set on exception vector entry
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14:45:52esalazionehg1rockbox on my ipod nano 2g is not usable from long time, tried a lot of different version. it plays music for 8 sec then hangs sometimes showing "undefined instruction at..". what can i try?
14:46:46JdGordon[Saint]:,28995.0.html got me thinking, how would you like a list skin tag? so you could do %aa(label, one,two,three,for,5,etc) and then use it later with %ab(label,%sometag)
14:47:56LalufuJdGordon: not sure I understand your question right, but my problem is that I write to a dynamically allocated buffer in an interrupt handler. so an interrupt hitting while moving that buffer would cause some chaos.
14:48:45JdGordonyeah, ok, the commit message confused me
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15:05:30amiconnHwcodec hangs at settings_apply(true); (main.c line 644)
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15:16:22bertrikpamaury, can you please have a look at the volume level of you clip+?
15:18:45pamaurybertrik: -43dB
15:19:32bertrikok, thanks, I can basically rule out power significant extra consumption by headphones then...
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15:20:10ukleinekwodz: the dump from mortalis is exactly using the protocol that I found, too
15:21:07*ukleinek creates a nand-dump from the usb-dump
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15:28:47ukleinekstrange, the first 4 blocks seem to be repeated several times
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15:36:20amiconnsettings_apply() in turn hangs in talk_init()
15:36:24amiconnkugel ^
15:40:17amiconnAnd that in turn hangs in audio_get_buffer()
15:43:46amiconn...which in turn hangs in audio_hard_stop() ...
15:43:58*amiconn is splash()ing along the call chain
15:44:49amiconnEh, there's a nasty interdependency
15:45:26amiconnThe call chain is settings_apply() -> talk_init() -> audio_get_buffer() -> audio_hard_stop()
15:46:24amiconnBut audio_get_stop() in turn calls talk_buffer_steal() - in talk.c - which is not yet initialized...
15:47:06kugelthat shouldn't be a problem
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15:50:03amiconnIt hangs in audio_stop()
15:50:40amiconnAnd that one calls talkbuf_init()
15:51:11kugelis the mpeg audio thread not running, perhaps?
15:52:23kugel(while(!mpeg_stop_done) yield();)
15:52:57amiconnYeah, it waits forever for mpeg_stop_done
15:53:59amiconnaudio_init() happens much later in init()
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15:55:58amiconnNeither the queue nor the thread exist at this point
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15:58:53kugelwell, /me tries the obvious solution
15:59:55kugel(playback.c is doing this as well)
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16:00:46kugelamiconn: I'm sorry about the ugly callchain, but it's not easy to resolve. it wasn't as ugly before since talk.c just used audiobuf directly
16:01:33amiconnWill try it in a bit
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16:44:30pamauryI still have some questions on the audio settings and related: the imx233 has different volume ranges depending on whether its DAC or line1 (radio/recording). I should I handle that ? I can take the smallest range of both but that's a shame but otoh how would I implement an infeasible volume ? Furthermore it's not clear to me whether VOLUME_MIN and VOLUME_MAX should be the absolute min/max with prescaler and volume or if it's only the volume
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16:56:47amiconnkugel: Almost there :) It boots again, plays music, and voice menus work
16:57:01amiconnThere's one thing that still doesn't work though: talk clips
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18:19:53CIA-14New commit by amiconn (r30738): Another fix for audio_get_buffer() on hwcodec by Thomas Martitz. ...
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18:24:17CIA-14r30738 build result: 0 errors, 2 warnings (amiconn committed)
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18:26:22wodzukleinek: (logs) the repeated first block contains nand bootloader. bootrom searches something like first 16 blocks for valid bootloader signature
18:26:38wodzon my player there were 5 copies.
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18:47:09bertrikwodz, ukleinek, perhaps that's done to avoid corrupted bootloader code (since raw nand is not reliable)
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19:41:14bluebrotherhmm. Why does blkid return a label for the USB flash drive but not for the DAP?
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20:08:43bluebrotherfs-bluebot: .explain DAP to Lalufu
20:08:44fs-bluebotLalufu: DAP: Shortcut for Digital Audio Player
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20:10:49fmlHello. Are static variables of type 'bool' assigned the value "false" automatically (when declared)?
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20:14:02fmlAh, found it, it's in the C spec
20:14:29pamauryDo audio drivers only support fixed sample rate or can they support variable sample rates ?
20:16:38pamauryI must be crazy, I was sure some driver had variable sample rate support but now it seems I'm wrong
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20:36:47bertrikpamaury, I think quite a few drivers do support several bit rates, but other parts (dsp) assume a fixed rate of 44100
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21:33:13pamaurythe imx233 is a nightmare, I don't know how many bits I have to set/unset just to enable headphone output
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21:42:37KiwiCamJust to confirm: it is more memory efficient to use %xl() & %xd() to display the same bitmap three times, rather than using %x() three times. Correct? I want to display the same bitmap in three different locations in the main viewport.
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21:48:20wodzpamaury: thanks for testing crt0.S change
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22:15:24pamaury\o/ sound ! finally !
22:15:41Lalufujust wondering: is there a reason why playlist_info.amount is a signed int?
22:18:09*gevaerts gives pamaury a beer
22:18:31pamauryfor now that's just garbage :)
22:18:40pamaurybut thanks for the beer ;)
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23:02:23KiwiCamHow do you take a screenshot using the Simulator please? Also, Hold. H doesn't seem to work. (Sansa Clip+) Thanks.
23:03:19mc2739KiwiCam: it is usually F5 for screenshot and clip+ does not have hold, just soft hold in wps
23:13:32KiwiCamF5. Thanks.
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