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#rockbox log for 2011-10-12

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04:28:25templetwhat is the cheapest ipod that is rockbox or linux compatible ?
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08:13:08Zagorwow, short log today
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08:17:03JdGordonvery easy morning read :)
08:17:42JdGordonZagor: the dynamic lcd patch whitescreens my video which is why it never got ifnished
08:17:54JdGordonso it needs testing on actual targets :)
08:19:04Zagoryeah. I changed it a bit, so static targets don't use the new code. that should hopefully make it less disruptive.
08:19:29Zagoralso it tried to clear the screen before the framebuffer was allocated :-)
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08:23:35GodEater_which is probably not ideal ;)
08:29:52JdGordon*cough* <a target="_blank" href="">>
08:31:18Zagoryeah, I saw that. it looks nice. we should fix some more descriptive icons, maybe just a check mark on the folder
08:32:39JdGordonadding new icons t the list might cause problems
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09:28:45kugelJdGordon: huh? your patch touches the normal list instead first before skin lists?
09:33:07kugelusing "" to modify list behavor seems luike a bit of a hack, but it seems to work
09:33:19kugelto we interpret \\t anywhere else?
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09:34:33nmadiffenRegarding the Clip+: Is the power button hardwired as-is? In other words could you, for instance, change the behavior so the device powers on by holding/pressing the Home button?
09:34:53*JdGordon facepalm
09:35:09JdGordonnmadiffen: yeah, pretty sure itll be hardwired
09:35:16JdGordon(that facepalm wasnt to you :) )
09:35:24nmadiffenI see =)
09:35:59LloreanIt'd be a little difficult to change the behaviour of buttons before any code is loaded.
09:36:42nmadiffenMaybe somebody can think of a clever-er solution. My power button got super-glued in position, and subsequent attempts to fix it while drunk, well, kinda completely removed it from the circuit board. Now I'm forced to plug in the USB to turn it on, and disable power-saver.
09:37:10nmadiffenProblem is I couldn't get the patches to correctly apply to GCC to recompile Rockbox's bootloader to turn on with USB.
09:37:37JdGordonhaha well done
09:38:14nmadiffenYeah. It all started because apparently you shouldn't treat the player like a kunai. I had to superglue the headphone jack back into place.
09:38:31LloreanConsidering they're being replaced by the Clip Zip, your best plan may just be to watch for cheap Clip+. If you spend more than an hour or two trying to solve this problem you've wasted more time than the money you'd save.
09:39:14nmadiffenWell my current income is nil, so as much as I considered that, well I've got vices other than music addiction to satisfy. Cigarettes are $13 a pack now.
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09:42:21nmadiffenI assume the USB boot feature just detects a voltage on the USB power supply, no? I think I could jump-start it with some double-A batteries and a spliced USB cable. I tried with 2 of them, but I kinda half-assed it and gave up when it didn't work.
09:42:37nmadiffenOr would 3V be too lower to jump-start it?
09:43:23ukleinekisn't USB 5V?
09:44:04nmadiffenI think it should work with just three batteries (4.5v). But I no longer have extras lying around to try. T
09:45:09LloreanHonestly, I'd probably just not turn it off during the day. With the screen off, and music not being played it ought to last a pretty long time, and if you can charge it at night, that ought to do it for you.
09:45:39nmadiffenIt does work well enough, but once the battery drops under 35% or so it starts draining much faster while idle.
09:46:06nmadiffenIt doesn't quite last me a day. With the power button intact it used to last me a few days.
09:47:43nmadiffenI suppose I can replace the battery with something much more beefy.
09:47:48LloreanMine gets something like 10+ hours of actual playback time. If yours isn't lasting a day including periods where it's paused, it's probably not doing well.
09:48:42nmadiffenIt'll last 13 hours or so of straight playback with v0. That's not a full day to me.
09:48:59nmadiffenIdle power usage is higher than you'd think actually
09:49:19LloreanYou literally spend more than 13 hours in a given day with headphones on without the ability to plug a USB cable into the device?
09:49:47LloreanThen what's the point of needing to turn it off?
09:49:55LloreanIf it dies during the period it's on, problem solved.
09:50:23nmadiffenI mean, I may spend an hour or two with the headphones on, and five with them off. Idle power usage is more draining than I expected.
09:50:40nmadiffenAnd I may spend up to 48 hours away from a power source.
09:52:38LloreanWell, cut down by a pack every two weeks for a single month and you can probably afford a replacement.
09:52:54LloreanOther than that, good luck with the strange battery contraption.
09:52:55nmadiffenSay I wanted to rewire the battery to a standard AA battery terminal, what would be the best bet? 2 AAs will only max out at 3V, while 3 will max out at 4.5V. Seeing as the internal battery is 3.7V, is this do-able?
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10:03:59wodzyou can wire MUCH bigger li-ion single cell battery clip has something like 400mAh while ~2000mAh batteries are readily available
10:05:01wodzin fact any modern cell phone battery should do
10:05:07nmadiffenYeah I'm seeing that now. It seems like I can get 2600 mAh batteries for about $10, at 3.7V. Also Clip+'s internal is only 190mAh.
10:05:26nmadiffenHmm. Didn't think of a cell battery. I have many of those around.
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10:05:37nmadiffenLooks like I got a project for tonight
10:06:07nmadiffenWould it be dangerous to let the Clip charge one of these, assuming the voltage matches the stock battery? Batteries are one thing I don't know much about.
10:06:43nmadiffenWell let me rip some batteries out of their warm homes then. Thanks.
10:06:56wodzbut I don't know how clip assumes end of charging - so it may not charge it fully
10:15:12nmadiffenSomebody already Frankensteined theirs: <a target="_blank" href="">>,28421.0.html. I'll read through and see if he had issues. It doesn't look like it though.
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10:21:19[Saint]So...who's sick of bitching in the mailing list?
10:22:03*[Saint] puts up a hand.
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10:26:30nmadiffenHow important is the protection circuits on li-ions? and do cell batteries have these inside?
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10:29:02nmadiffenGoogle has immensely conflicting information. =/
10:37:23[Saint]I'm not saying you'll get anywhere there as opposed to here nmadiffen, but you probably want to take this to #rockbox-community
10:38:02nmadiffenAh, sorry
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10:58:30wodzpamaury: ping
11:04:40wodzpamaury: even factoring vectors will be tricky probably <- <a target="_blank" href="">>
11:05:19wodzwe can probably sacrifice tiny bit of performance and use ldr scheme always
11:06:37wodzbut I am more and more thinking if this is worth effort at all
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13:13:02pamaurywodz: I don't know, refactoring would be nice, but it's not clear that it would make the crt0s more readable
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13:13:27pamauryperhaps a more modest goal would be to uniformize them as much as possible
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14:14:23mortaliswodz: I uploaded patch with working sound: <a target="_blank" href="">FS #12319a>. But I doesn't see any mistakes in I2S clock configuration.
14:14:25fs-bluebot<a target="_blank" href="">> HiFiMAN HM-601 initial work (patches, unconfirmed)
14:15:35mortaliswodz: And i found little bug in kernel-rk27xx.c
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15:57:04Stephen__torne ping
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15:58:13Torneif you insist
15:59:04Stephen__got the 240gb into the gigabeat s but usual problem it's only seeing 127 gb
15:59:54Stephen__do I install rockbox then format the third partiton or can I do it before rockboxing
16:00:09Torneyou need to, er, do a whole bunch of complciated steps
16:00:19TorneIf the third partition is visible to the OF it will just blow away the disk
16:00:24TorneWhether rockbox is installed first or not :)
16:00:41Stephen__Using these steps - <a target="_blank" href="">>,28554.msg183645.html#msg183645
16:00:49Stephen__is a build with multi-volume still needed ?
16:01:26Torneif you are following those steps then it tells you when to format it
16:01:46gevaertsThe first (well, second...) partition can't be larger than 128GB or the ROM bootloader will complain in its very own charming way
16:02:08Stephen__the patch is missing ?
16:03:11gevaertsStephen__: try <a target="_blank" href="">>
16:03:33*gevaerts kept his local copy :)
16:03:41Stephen__Thank gevaerts
16:04:35Stephen__Hmm gonna have to reboot to ubuntu to compile
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16:10:54Tornewe should really write a plugin to do this
16:13:00gevaertsI actually did something like that recently, except it's not a plugin
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16:21:41stephen__It would be far easier with a plugin!
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17:01:11kugelwtf is up with cwm
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18:25:50stephen__Torne, gevaerts, success! 240gb works in the beast
18:26:37stephen__127 & 95 gb drives inside now
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18:43:11AlexPOh nice r.e the beast
18:44:04AlexPgevaerts, Torne: How does e.g. USB function with the multidrives? I assume Rockbox is altered to both recognise the second partition which is marked empty or something, and then expose it over USB?
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18:45:45AlexPIf only the beast had better battery life, I'm not sure if I want to spend loads of cash to expand the S
18:48:15AlexPI want a fuze with 240 GB dammit! :)
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21:18:29wodzgevaerts: ping
21:18:44*gevaerts jumps
21:21:31wodzgevaerts: how make dep knows which dir to include when searching for .h files? or more specifically what I need to change besides firmware/SOURCES if I move portalplayer stuff to arm/portalplayer subdir
21:22:12gevaertswodz: I never looked at that, really. You want Zagor I think
21:22:55wodzZagor: ^
21:25:11Zagormkdep uses the same include path as the compiler
21:25:53wodzI think I found it - configure sets TARGET_INC
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21:44:14bertrikI want to commit a change for AMSv2 which configures some PMU register for a higher internal voltage for some analog parts (using the same setting as the OF). This increases max volume, improves audio quality and reduces some pops, but comes at the expense of about 3% runtime
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21:48:40wodzbertrik: I think benefits are worth this
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22:00:15Zagorbertrik: sounds good to me
22:00:39bertrikok, thanks for the support, I'll commit that soonish
22:00:59bertrikoh, and thanks for pamaury for benchmarking it :)
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22:09:25CIA-14New commit by bertrik (r30743): Sansa AMSv2: set internal voltages PVDD1 and AVDD17 to the same value as the OF does. ...
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23:28:01pamaurybertrik: what is the state of USB on amsv2 with those pmu settings ?
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23:36:35bertrikUSB seems to work for me on linux, I don't know if the PMU settings make a lot of difference
23:37:40keyb_grApparently it still is hit and miss though... works fine for some people, not so much for others.
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23:38:58pamaurydoes the "sd inserted => usb works" proposition seem to hold ?
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23:40:40bertrikI haven't noticed a relation between sd inserted and USB working
23:41:00jhMikeSthere's a problem with <a target="_blank" href="">FS #12322a> on i.MX31. the dvfs interrupt will set it back to svc mode (see avic-imx31.h) for the asm.
23:41:00fs-bluebot<a target="_blank" href="">> Switch to SYS mode on arm (bugs, closed)
23:41:47pamaurybertrik: on my clip+ that's day and night, we sd inserted it works 100% of the time and without it, it's hardly ever works (last time I tried)
23:42:30bertrikpamaury, where/when does it fail for you?
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23:43:38pamauryrandom, most of the time if fails when reading descriptors and the few times it manages to identify, UMS usually freezes the player because the control went mad
23:43:59pamaury(and if it's windows XP, it also freezes windows until you unplug)
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23:44:30wodzThis is something which irritated me for long time: <a target="_blank" href="">FS #12331a>
23:44:31fs-bluebot<a target="_blank" href="">> move PortalPlayer stuff to subdir (patches, new)
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23:46:10*pamaury agrees with wodz but never had the courage to do it
23:46:39pamaurythe patches looks huge though :(
23:47:14pamaurywodz: your patch looks strange: why firmware/ and b/firmware ??
23:47:25Zagoryeah, looks like you got it twice
23:48:39bertrikpamaury, hm, indeed it stops working for me without an sd card, but I think I'm now also running into the db-problem-when-no-music-is-present
23:48:40wodzI don't understand what you mean
23:48:58bertrikthe disk activity LED is on constantly
23:50:02bertrikso there could be non-USB problems that prevent me from debugging USB properly
23:50:23pamaurywodz: does your patch change the directory structure ?
23:50:36pamauryI see cpu/soc/manufacturer
23:50:58wodzthats not perfect but acceptable IMO
23:50:58pamauryversus cpu/manufacturer
23:51:45bertrikbah, wonky database
23:52:14pamaurythe current architecture is already cpu/soc/manufacturer, so does your patch change ? (yeah it's hard to read a diff ^^)
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23:53:24ukleinekgit diff -M is nice for patches that mostly move around files
23:53:53wodzpamaury: current architecture (as configure set it) is cpu/manufacturer/model - we abuse this a bit and set soc name as manufacturer
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23:54:39wodzI can regenerate patch but not today - I am tired
23:55:25wodzand I recall git diff -M produces patches which doesn't behave correctly in subverison
23:55:25pamaurybut couldn't we just switch to a cpu/soc/model ? I think that's how most target work except PP which is a mess
23:55:31bertrikpamaury, with the db problem out of the way, it seems to work reliably (5 out of 5 tries) without an sd card inserted
23:56:21pamaurybertrik: so you think it's a db problem ? Did you disable the db ?
23:56:24bertrik(on linux)
23:56:27wodzpamaury: not really in case of PP - there are bunch of files which are shared on manufacturer level
23:56:40pamauryyes but we want to change that :)
23:56:50bertrikI just made sure that there was no disk activity while plugging USB
23:57:05pamauryindeed that looks weird
23:57:12pamaurywhat did you change ?
23:57:15bertrikmy db seems to be bugged
23:57:37bertrikI put one audio file on the internal disk and let the db do an update
23:58:00bertrikso it's no longer constantly accessing the disk after boot
23:58:15pamauryI'm pretty sure I had audio on the disk when I tried, then I'll retry
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23:58:33AlexPThe db falling over if there are no music files on the player is sadly well known
23:58:33wodzpamaury: this would mean massive code duplication

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