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#rockbox log for 2011-10-24

00:00:01lebelliumMy mp3 player is a Samsung R0, the RB port is in good progress thanks to an Italian developer. I actually ported the now playing screen of Samsung and improved it a bit (bitrate + album year )
00:02:17KiwiCamDarko: Did the Clip just die, as in refuse to turn on again? If it's recognised as a drive on your PC, then you should just be able to format it to Fat and just drag the Firmware .bin file onto it.
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00:03:12DarkoI tried that KiwiCam at first, I formatted it as FAT32 and dragged m30pa.bin and still black screen
00:03:20Darkoshould i disconnet USB and resolder battery?
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00:04:06Darkomaybe it needs FAT system to boot?
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00:04:36KiwiCamHave you got the correct version of the Firmware? There's an 01 & an 02 for the V2
00:04:55saratogaDarko: you need to follow those instructions
00:05:22saratogalebellium: i haven't heard much about that device lately, who is working on it?
00:06:59Darkowell, the firmware IS right because before rockboxing procedure I updated it with Sandisk utility and it said 02.01.35
00:07:24Darkothats the one I downloaded later from sandisk page for manual installation
00:08:03Darkoi hope it is right, has same name in zip archive
00:08:09lebelliumsaratoga: Lorenzo is working on. RB runs on his and on my R0. The interface shows up, keys work, plugins work and there is a basic audio support (for the moment 100% hardware volume so much distorsion and hiss). You can follow the progress on ABI but soon he'll update the RB wiki page
00:08:27Darkoand m30pa.bin when extracted
00:08:32saratogais this an App port or firmware port?
00:09:07lebelliumsaratoga: the R0 has a Linux kernel so that's more like an app port :)
00:09:16saratogaah ok
00:09:33saratogai didn't realize that had progressed so far, yeah you guys should update the wiki
00:09:49saratogamight be a good idea to keep in contact with people here working on the android stuff so that its easier to merge your changes as well
00:09:51gevaertsDarko: I've never had to recover an AMS sansa, so I don't know the details, but I have a vague memory that you need more than the OF file you download from sandisk. IIRC you need a larger dump from a working player
00:11:05KiwiCamlebellium: That looks like a great device. Nice price too. I'd grab one if it was half the size and the same resolution.
00:11:47lebelliumKiwiCam: I could give one, I have 3 R0 among my 30 DAPs hihi
00:12:19Darko@gevaerts you mean that (what you wrote) for this manual copying of .bin image from windows?
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00:14:37gevaertsDarko: I have no idea what you're asking
00:14:39saratogalebellium: are you working on it too, or just that guy?
00:15:25Darkogevaerts, you said i need more than OF file
00:15:38Darkoyou mean, dd and .bin is not enough?
00:16:16lebelliumsaratoga: No, I don't really work on it, I don't have any Rockbox knowledges, he's the current main developer (but 2 other guys already worked on the port previously) and I'm the Community or Project Manager lol
00:16:33saratogalebellium: hmm ok
00:16:48saratogathey should really post their source and let the app people here know what they're doing or else they may have quite some trouble merging their changes in
00:17:39lebelliumYeah but he was waiting for setting the R0 target before posting on the RB wiki
00:17:40gevaertsDarko: as I remember it, the .bin file you can download from sandisk doesn't have all data you need, so you need a .bin file dumped from a working player
00:17:59lebelliumBefore it was rather draft work
00:18:02Darkowhy dont you say so :)
00:18:19Darkodo you know a place for that on rocbox forum maybe?
00:18:48saratogalebellium: FWIW i think everyone who has ever done that has not managed to get their code into SVN . . .
00:19:06saratogausually they show up with some big mess that no one else wants to touch
00:19:26saratogait works much better if people provide feedback while the port is working so that bad decisions get caught early while they're easy to fix
00:19:51Darkogevaerts this is it
00:20:21Darkoi found this page before, never asumed fot its purpose - now i do :)
00:20:37lebelliumThat was a big mess, now the target is set up, he cleaned the shit and we'll be able to post on the RB site soon and share with anyone :)
00:20:47Darkook 1 step closer...
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00:23:13saratogathe problem is that your idea of clean will probably not match ours :)
00:23:20saratogai've posted in that thread
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00:23:58lebelliumsaratoga: that's possible, actually I don't have any idea what's clean for you and for us, I'm not developing at all excep basic language on my TI at the time lol
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00:27:59telliottAny new developements in the newest iPoc Classic battery issue?
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00:31:49CIA-14New commit by pamaury (r30835): sbtools: be more verbose on real key and iv; add very advanced code to craft images
00:33:01saratogapamaury: whats the install process for the fuze+ like at the moment?
00:33:38CIA-14r30835 build result: All green
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00:35:11pamauryinstalling the bootloader is a bit tricky; there are two ways. In any case, one needs to decrypt a valid firmware, extract some part of it, insert rockbox code and rebuild the firmware image. Then either one uses the OF update code (just put at root) or build a not-dualbooting version of the bootloader that gives access to the OF partition and then send it in recovery mode and then dd'it using the file (basically) :)
00:35:29pamauryThe tricky point here is building the firmware image so that it actually dual-boot
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00:43:18pamaurysaratoga: Currently building the firmware images requires to use two tools: sbtoelf and elftosb, but I think I will write a condense version of both just to build the dual boot image, so it's easier to integrate it into rbutil
00:43:49saratogapamaury: so it would work like ams where you patch a firmware and then copy it over?
00:44:13pamauryexcept that the format is much more complicated
00:44:44saratogamkimxboot :)
00:44:46pamauryin any case you need the OF for the hardware init but you can easily build a non dual booting version of it
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00:53:40funmanhey saratoga
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00:58:35funmanyou put the clipv2 image online ?
00:59:54saratogafunman: no i was asking if you did
01:00:08saratogai don't have a copy of it, but i believe you did at one point?
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02:49:45funmansaratoga: perhaps it's still on a ocmputer in south of france
02:50:35saratogai'll ask around and see if anyone else saved one
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05:45:18*[Saint] wonders if the sansaAMSunbrick page should be harder to find...
05:45:57[Saint]reading the forum, I sincerely doubt that "crack open and reset" was the first logical step to take in that users case.
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05:46:16[Saint]especially given the apparent skill level of said user.
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05:46:58[Saint].Its easy to say now, as, what's done is done and it can't be proven...but, I'd put money on it at the time that it just needed a hard resetr
05:46:59JdGordonholy crap!
05:48:02JdGordonI tihnk a nice warning on the wiki page (if it isnt there already) wouldnt hurt
05:49:25[Saint]I think the common convention of "crashed==bricked" leads users there. We can't fix that.
05:49:31[Saint]Unfurtunate, though.
05:50:42[Saint]The really funny thing is (reading now) the unbrick page fails to mention that to fully recover you need a dd of a perfectly working player's FW partition.
05:51:21[Saint]copying a patched OF there is enough to get RB to boot, but the OF expects more magic.
05:51:38*JdGordon adds a warning
05:52:13[Saint]ah "You can write the whole OF-Image onto that by using e.g.:"
05:52:20[Saint]it *does* assume you already have this image.
05:52:31[Saint]its just not exactly clear about how you need to get it ;)
05:52:36JdGordonit shouldnt be :)
05:52:43JdGordonforces people to come and ask!'
05:53:01JdGordonbut yeah, i remember dding the of image from their website when i did mine
05:53:14[Saint]Yeah..."hey, do you mind cracking open your player and dumping <foo> for me" is a bit of a hard ask.
05:53:52[Saint]JdGordon: Was that enough to get the OF fully working? IIUC, it shouldn't have been.
05:54:29saratogaI'm assuming he had the clipv2 problem where it can't boot the patched firmware
05:54:51[Saint]saratoga: I think it just crashed. And he didn't know about hard reset.
05:55:04saratogadid he ever get it to actually boot?
05:55:05alexbobphey [Saint]
05:55:10alexbobpare there any new interesting android interfaces I should try?
05:55:44[Saint]saratoga: Form the forums...I'm guessing not. Unless there's more I missed from here.
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05:56:08saratogaif it never booted after he patched the firmware he did the right thing, if it booted and then crashed he fucked up badly
05:56:46[Saint]alexbobp: Not presently, sorry. I need to get my current work on the tracker. I'll remember to give you a buzz when I do.
05:56:51[Saint]saratoga: "Hi! 30 minutes ago I had perfectly working Clip v2, now it's dead. Or it appears to be so. "Crashed" or "Bricked", what's the differece? Rockbox configured and installed succesfully, but now it won't boot. Battery is/was at 100% charge."
05:57:02alexbobp[Saint]: alright.
05:57:02[Saint]So yeah..."messed" up badly.
05:57:15saratogai don't think its clear from that what he did
05:57:26JdGordon[Saint]: it was so long ago I dont remember, but I did get a working clip+ again after doing it
05:57:31[Saint]Well, it mentions it installed correctly.
05:58:05saratogai think hes managed to phrase that description in such a way that it describes nothing
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05:59:38[Saint] just scares me that we get first posts like that in the forums. I *really * scares me. I mean at least there's no "and its your fault!" though.
06:00:36saratogai just gave him the benefit of the doubt since he managed to open his player, but after the rest of the thread i'm not sure it was warrented
06:00:46JdGordonI wonder if thats because anyone smart enough to find and follow those steps knows its unlikely we did anything on purpose
06:01:14JdGordonanyone outright dumb will complain but be happy with "hard reset your player" type recovery steps
06:01:38sillytones[Saint]: i have a bricked clip+ −− are you saying I don't need to crack it open? I saw that page and then gave up
06:02:04[Saint]sillytones: It probably wasn't the first step, no.
06:02:04JdGordonsillytones: are you *sure* it is bricked... that you cant get it to any recovery mode?
06:02:08[Saint]But, what's done is done.
06:02:21[Saint]JdGordon: It sure is now ;)
06:02:30sillytonesI just can't get it to turn on.
06:02:47[Saint]the FW partition is now FAT32, she's not turning on...
06:02:56sillytonesplugged in to usb or not. last thing I saw was a frozen screen that I hard powered down
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06:03:40saratogai don't think it should be possible to get a clip+ into a state where you need those directions without screwing up a firmware patch
06:03:49JdGordonsillytones: you want to talk to funman (who isnt on irc much anymore)
06:03:53saratogaif it stops working and you can't get it to power on its probably just broken
06:04:10JdGordonalso that ^
06:04:25[Saint]What you're going to need to do (assuming its not just broken), is delete the partition from the FW partition you uncovered. And place a ROckkbox patched firmware file in it and reboot.
06:04:27JdGordonhold the power button/switch for a good 30s and plug in usb
06:04:50[Saint]JdGordon: That *would* work, assuming the FW partition was intact. that's past, now.
06:05:08saratogaassuming you've let it sit for a couple days, plugging it into USB should be enough to reboot it
06:05:12sillytonesok i'll try it
06:05:23JdGordon[Saint]: sillytones is not the person in the thread
06:05:37[Saint] Fail.
06:06:02[Saint]That was, a weird coincidence.
06:06:18sillytonesI'd also be willing to mail it to someone in rockbox if there's anybody who'd want a possibly bricked or broken Clip+ to mess around with
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06:06:45saratogadid you try plugging it into USB after it sat around for more then a few days?
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06:06:56[Saint]No, no...sorry. I thought you were someone in our forums having a similar problem.
06:07:07[Saint]It should be sufficient to let the batter drain.
06:07:38sillytones[Saint]: yeah it was talking about that similar problem that attracted my interest :)
06:08:02sillytonessaratoga: i'm not sure. it's been sitting in my drawer for a few weeks now though
06:08:11saratogaplug it in and see if it comes on
06:08:21sillytonesso my plan is to hold down the power button for a good 30s and then plug it in
06:09:22saratogano just plug it in
06:09:24saratoganothing more
06:09:31sillytonesalright here goes
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06:10:03sillytoneswell windows says "installing device software−−> ready to use
06:10:19sillytonesand that I need to format the drive
06:10:24sillytonesbut the screen doesn't come on
06:10:26saratogadid the player boot up?
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06:10:46sillytonesno, the screen did not change at all
06:10:47saratogathats probably just a bad memory chip
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06:11:21saratogayou could try flashing a new firmware image to it, but my guess is that the nand isn't working anyway so it wouldn't work
06:11:47sillytonesshould I format it
06:12:02sillytonesand can I use rockbox utility to try a firmware flash
06:12:31saratogahow big is the disk that mounts?
06:13:25sillytonesexplorer thinks it is 0 bytes
06:13:58sillytonesbut it also wants to format it, so it might just not be able to tell how big it is
06:14:33JdGordonyou at least arent at the point you need to to the full unbrick
06:14:43saratogathe disk manager can tell you how big unformatted disks are
06:16:06[Saint]right click on My Computer and hit Manage
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06:16:25sillytonesthanks [Saint]
06:16:55sillytones31 MB
06:17:15sillytonesthat's a far cry from 2 GB
06:17:22JdGordonthats recovery mode
06:17:34[Saint] the? weird.
06:18:54saratogahuh, never heard of someone getting a disk that size
06:19:05sillytonesJdGordon: is that a good thing or a bad thing
06:19:16[Saint]its supposed to be ~900MB for recovery mode iirc.
06:19:32JdGordonI *thought* that was a good thing, but sounds like im misremembering, listen to saratoga i tihnk :)
06:20:02[Saint]I have seen people manage to uncover a partition of this size before.
06:20:16[Saint]I don't think we have any idea why, or what it is.
06:21:06sillytonesI can reboot into ubuntu if that would help
06:21:07[Saint]Sometimes I've seen people go through the unbrick steps and think they've hit recovery mode but its this 30oddMB partition.
06:21:53[Saint]from memory, and the unbrock page seems to document, it should be ~980MB
06:22:32sillytonesAt first I thought the memory chip went bad like saratoga thought, and all it had working was 31 MB
06:24:21[Saint]I have seen this before, I'm just nowhere near educated about the target to say what this means.
06:25:15sillytoneswhat do you think I should do from here
06:25:28sillytoneswho is funman and how can I contact him?
06:26:47[Saint]funman is/was the resident SansaAMS expert. He floats in and out these days, Rockbox isn't so much a priority for him any longer.
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06:38:09freddybJdGordon: At this point I favor wrong and working vs. right and broken. You outrank me by a long shot and you can get r30826 reverted if you want but I don't think you should.
06:38:36JdGordonfreddyb: hey, woah now :)
06:38:54JdGordonI just want to make sure the correct code gets in...
06:39:10JdGordonI dont think the font_get_ui() call it so bad, but it is in the wrong place
06:39:56freddybOk, what do you propose?
06:40:59JdGordonfont.c should only deal with id's and the magic sysfont. any FONT_UI/FONT_SYSFIXED magic ideally would be handled by the screen_access api
06:41:05[Saint]freddyb: I think there would be seven different types of uproar from..."a few select people" if Jd tried to suggest reverting anything, right wroung or no.
06:41:45JdGordon[Saint]: see the mailiong list how a revert request should happen....
06:42:02JdGordonfreddyb: see apps/screen_access.c screeb_helper_setfont()
06:42:28JdGordonI'd like an equivilant for getfont() which is exactly what you've done with font_get_ui()
06:42:34freddyb[Saint]: Please don't stir the pot right now...
06:44:37JdGordonfreddyb: that screen_helper_Setfont() isnt quite a good example as that was dont to hook between plugins and font api, but thats where the ui font handling should be imo
06:45:13JdGordonalso, font.c should get a font_get_height(int id) function which would remove a good deal of issues elsewhere L(
06:45:51freddybJdGordon: I thought about sticking in font_get_height() myself.
06:46:18JdGordonthat really is a no brainer when you see what calls font_get() :)
06:48:02freddybJdGordon: I have no objection to moving everything to use or userland_get_user_font() except that it hasn't been done yet and a plugin that asks for FONT_UI and gets a theme font with only 12 glyphs for a timer display is going to saw through the hard drive.
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06:48:35freddyb(Each glyph miss can be/ is likely to be three disk seeks.)
06:49:40JdGordonglobal_status.font_id[screen] is set from the global_setting.font filename so that wont happen
06:49:44JdGordonunless that changes also
06:50:11freddybNo. I mean if a plugin or whatever is not updated and makes the get_font(FONT_UI) call.
06:50:29JdGordonremove get_font() from the plugin api
06:50:44JdGordonor hook a wrapper in
06:50:47JdGordonwhich i tinhk i did
06:51:38JdGordonah, no, i didnt get to doing that
06:52:07freddybIt really wasn't clear to me that FONT_UI was deprecated...
06:53:04JdGordonyeah, well I was hoping to finish the work myself...
06:53:28JdGordonbut that is irrelevant anyway
06:53:47JdGordonI don't remember any plugins which call font_get() for any reason other than getting the font height
06:55:09JdGordonrockpaint does some weird/nice stuff, but otherwise all other calls can be worked around
06:56:20freddybI really didn't look but if they want the height, we should give them the right number.
06:57:03JdGordonlrcplayer uses the font* to call font_get_width() which is fine, but that plugin should load its own copy of the user font really
06:57:10JdGordonor a font it wants
06:57:42JdGordonrb->font_load(<filename of the ui font>) will be a noop anyway if it is already loaded
06:59:32freddybI'd prefer to narrow this discussion to just getting the right font index to the callers. The metrics have already been worked out, right?
07:00:34freddybNot every plugin wants to have it's own font. Most of them just want what used to be FONT_UI, right?
07:01:49freddybSo, if we can agree on some user space (app space?) way of getting what used to be FONT_UI we're set, right? Does[] satisfy that?
07:02:51JdGordonif font_set/get_ui() is moved to apps and hooked into the screen_access and plugin api's that would be great
07:03:04JdGordonthen it is transparent to plugins
07:03:42freddybscreen_access_set_defaults or something?
07:04:12JdGordonif i wasnt at work I'd do the patch quicky for you now
07:05:09freddybI'm in no hurry, if you want to post it on FS that would suit me.
07:05:24JdGordonI'll see about doing it tonight, depends how late i get home
07:05:51JdGordon is wrong which is why i brought it up
07:05:58JdGordon- skin_viewport->vp.font = global_status.font_id[display->screen_type];
07:05:59JdGordon+ skin_viewport->vp.font = font_get_ui();
07:06:22JdGordonFONT_UI depends on the screen, so that change will get the wrong one
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07:09:33BuschelTheSeven: if you have some spare time it would be great if you could check FS #12310
07:09:33fs-bluebot Crash when inserting USB while playback (since r30097) (bugs, new)
07:10:55Buschelseems like since a change from jhMikeS (r30097) the interrupt or DMA handling for USB and PCM interfere
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07:12:52sillytonessaratoga: [Saint]: can anything worse happen to my clip + if I try to use rockbox utility on it?
07:14:09[Saint]I would expect it to fail personally. I have my doubts it could make anything worse, but, wait for saratoga to respond.
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08:58:23TheSevenBuschel: ACK (put on my todo list :P)
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10:18:16Darkoehat Linux distro to use for Sansa Clip recovery?
10:18:44[Saint]any. Its not even necessary to use Linux.
10:18:59[Saint]the equivalent tools on WIndows will work just fine.
10:19:06Darkowell it is not listend on Knoppix DVD release
10:19:19[Saint]"it" == ?
10:19:19Darkowhat are equivalent tools on Win?
10:19:29Darkodd tools
10:19:35DarkoI was last evening here
10:19:40Darkothats what I was told
10:19:59[Saint]If every standard linux tool was would be a LONG list ;)
10:20:05[Saint]and Linux distro will have dd
10:20:33Darkodo you know Windows equivalent?
10:20:38Darkodd for Win i tried
10:20:44Darkobut nothing happend
10:21:18Darkothis is a command from Linux
10:21:20Darkodd if=orig_image.bin of=/dev/sde
10:21:26Darkoi understand the second part
10:21:42Darkocan you help if my .bin image of OF is on my C: drive
10:21:51[Saint]Ah! you're the guy who panicked and decided to open their player and attempt to "unbrick it", yes?
10:21:59[Saint]from the forums?
10:21:59Darkowhat would be correct sintax
10:22:07Darkoyes i am :)
10:22:08Darkosame nick
10:22:15Darkomy name really
10:23:30[Saint]dd if=whatever_your_binary_image_is_called.bin of=/path/to/device
10:23:59Darkobut how it will know my image is on root of C drive?
10:24:27[Saint]easy, you go to the location of it from the commandline ;)
10:25:01Darkook, but how to do that
10:25:17Darkohow to run command line in Linux? (what Linux also?)
10:25:53Darkoyou understand what troubles me right?
10:26:05[Saint]Look...what OS are you running RIGHT NOW?
10:26:11DarkoWindows XP Sp3
10:26:34[Saint]dd for win should be fine (assuming its setup correctly)
10:26:49Darkoi said up there i tried dd win
10:26:54Darkonothing happend
10:27:09Darkosintax was something like this
10:27:37[Saint]My assumption would be user error, but, ok. Lets try a Linux distro.
10:27:49[Saint]Boot a liveCD of your choice, and come back.
10:28:20Darkook i just need to download it and that will take a while
10:28:25Darkothanks Saint :)
10:28:33DarkoUbuntu is ok?
10:28:40Zagorisn't the question simply "what is the raw device syntax in windows"?
10:28:40[Saint]Yes, Ubuntu is fine.
10:30:07DarkoZagor, are you trying to say if my OF image is on C: and broken Sansa (unformatted) on G: what would be the syntax in dd for Win?
10:31:10DarkoI found WinDD here
10:31:16Darkowhat do you think of it?
10:31:44Darkoits for people with less IQ like me :) (around 140)
10:33:01ZagorI know how dd works, but I don't know how dd works in windows, since the device syntax is completely different.
10:34:03ZagorI assume "dd if=file.bin of=g:" is not working?
10:34:36[Saint](where g: == "correct drive letter)
10:35:45DarkoZagor I havent tried in Linux yet, Ubuntu is downloading right now, but i won't be at home till later this day
10:36:07DarkoI also found this pages and
10:36:25Darkoin dd, do i have to define block size?
10:36:32Zagorthis was for windows. only windows uses the colon syntax
10:36:58ukleinekbecause only windows uses (user visible) drives
10:37:20kugelthe first site suggest you can get the device names with the −−list option
10:37:40Darko@ukleinek user visible drives −− but it is not formatted - how it will be seen then?
10:39:23Darkoblock size - anyone?
10:39:36Zagorno you don't have to specify block size
10:40:17Darkowell thank you everyone
10:40:33Darkowill wait to download Ubuntu and will try later this evening
10:40:40DarkoSee you
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11:06:29Zagorjudging from the commits over the weekend, it doesn't look like we're ready to branch off 3.10 today?
11:07:40JdGordonprobably not, but still, is there a list of required fixed issues before we just drop the release all together?
11:08:13JdGordon*if* voice is actually broken I'd say thats a candidate to forget about it
11:08:45ZagorI'd say the pink ones on our bug list sounds like stuff we can't release
11:09:14Zagorand it appears amiconn still hasn't added his lockup bug
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12:36:51Ryukuhow long will it take some has an idea ?
12:40:19[Saint]"as long as it takes, and no sooner" is the general timeframe.
12:40:43[Saint]no one can tell if there's be some blocker that might make it *never* be released, until it is.
12:46:47Ryukui see :( thx
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13:00:26dfktis there an issue with album art display in current raaa builds? no cover.jpg or embedded art will show up for me
13:01:12dfktusing the latest build from rasher's site
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13:05:59amiconnZagor: I know :\ I want to test on other targets too, meanwhile I found a few more things about this bug
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13:06:34amiconnIt seems that all voice from voice file is broken on H1x0, i.e. only talk clips work
13:07:18Zagorit would be helpful if you put the bug in flyspray, so everyone knows about it
13:07:34amiconnIf some operation would trigger voice output, it either is silently ignored, or it freezes. I even can't start playback within folders with no .talk clip - it freezes immediately
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13:08:03amiconn(probably because it tries to fall back to spelling, which uses the voice file)
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13:35:38JdGordonZagor: another option is wait another week (or whatever) and if people still dont think its up to scratch we release from pre-buflib svn
13:38:33Zagoryes, we have several options. for now I think we should aim at getting 3.10 out, if somewhat late.
13:38:47ZagorI mean trunk
13:39:04JdGordonlate drags out to never though
13:39:34Zagoryep, it's a risk
13:39:58Zagorhowever we've seen pre-buflib also has a number of old bugs
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14:32:10[Saint]dfkt: Happy to help.
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16:17:43dfktsuddenly ../tools/configure complains about my android sdk magically not being in the path.. well, it is and always was in .bash.rc. does anyone have an idea what could went wrong from one day to the other?
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16:26:56kugeldfkt: don't like the playlist viewer?
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16:27:22kugeldfkt: you need ANDROID_SDK_PATH, not PATH
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16:28:30dfktkugel, i set it up (a long time ago) according to the wiki or docs page, but i can't find it again... could you please tell me the correct line?
16:28:38dfktalso, what's with the playlist viewer? :)
16:29:18kugeldfkt: execute 'env' to see if it's set (or set incorrectly)
16:29:42kugel'export ANDROID_SDK_PATH=/path/to/sdk' would be correct
16:30:28[Saint](same for NDK, with SDK>NDK also)
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16:34:50kugeldfkt: no shortcut implemented in your theme :)
16:35:22dfkt|xah... well, i only use file/folder browsing, and i don't even shuffle ;)
16:36:18dfkt|xok, one step further: [WARNING] The compiler you must use (arm-linux-androideabi-gcc) is not in your path!
16:36:42dfkt|xno idea how this all disappeared... gah
16:38:11[Saint]Did you update your SDK? It sounds like a: soemthing went wrong, or b: directories changed.
16:38:39dfkt|xno changes... i just updated vmware, which shouldn't affect the guest os, i assume
16:41:23[Saint]It can't find the NDK, if its spitting that error.
16:41:54[Saint](re-)export the PATH to the NDK
16:42:36[Saint](assuming the NDK is indeed present)
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16:44:32dfktboth sdk and ndk are present
16:45:25[Saint]well, the toolchain is located in the NDK, so, apparently the OS can't "see" it.
16:46:35dfktmaybe i need to export the /toolchains folder explicitely?
16:48:57[Saint]Just the path to the SDK and NDK, as "ANDROID_*_PATH"
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16:49:35[Saint](where * is either SDK or NDK, if that wasn't clear)
16:50:34dfktwoohoo, working again! thank you
16:51:16dfkti exported it via commandline - not sure if that sticks. i can just write the same two export lines in .bashrc?
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17:06:54dfktkugel, i could change the long press on tags from menu to playlist, since i guess all android devices have a menu soft-button anyways
17:11:11dfktwait - playlist is in context menu :)
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17:50:24dfktdoes anyone have the "list spacing" patch mentioned here? -,27394.0.html
17:51:29pixelmaI believe
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17:51:54dfkthmm, just did a new build, and the list items in android have huge gaps between
17:52:22kugelp its in svn now, yes
17:53:22dfktah, it's not under theme settings, but in display :p
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20:22:26Darkopeople are we ready to rockbox my Sansa Clip?
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20:23:03Darkoreturned home from university.... Ubuntu is burned on CD and now show begins
20:23:20Darkohopes are low though :)
20:23:31[Saint]Possibly ;) Step one is, you'll want a Rockbox patched OF file.
20:23:40Darkohi Saint
20:23:50Darkomy guide to heaven :)
20:24:03*[Saint] makes no promises :)
20:24:03DarkoI will try with original firmware first
20:24:14Darkosimple things are priority atm
20:24:39Darkoah if I only read forums more carefully before I rushed
20:24:41[Saint]There's a very high likelyhood (since you formatted the FW partition) the OF won't boot...but you can try.
20:24:55DarkoI deleted partition with Gpart
20:25:06[Saint]Same effect. ;)
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20:25:28Darkoits now clean, even Win does not see it as mounted wthatsoever
20:25:41Darkoyou mean it doesnt matter
20:26:46[Saint]What I meant was "you killed the OF partition, so, replacing solely the OF may not have all the sufficient files required for the OF to function"
20:27:06[Saint]This has been seen on Fuzes before.
20:27:24[Saint]*How* the FW partition was killed is irrelevant.
20:28:07[Saint]But, we can try.
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20:29:31[Saint]Let me know once you a: have a terminal open in Ubuntu, and b: have identified the correct mountpoint of the device.
20:29:56[Saint](hint: using dd is *dangerous*, you need to know the mountpoint of the device)
20:30:07[Saint]lsusb can help here.
20:30:15Darko_don't worry
20:30:26Darko_i am using old machine and I have backup ghost for it
20:30:31Darko_nothing can be screwed
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20:30:51Darko_here we go Ubuntu is booting up, fingers crossed
20:33:25Darko_cool desktop background :)
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20:37:10[Saint]Applications → Accessories → Terminal or ALT+F2
20:37:18[Saint]then do "lsusb"
20:37:39[Saint]you should be able to identify the mountpoint from the lsusb output
20:38:19Darko_ok its still installing... will notify you
20:38:43[Saint] tricked me saying "desktop" ;)
20:39:27Darko_well it was that magenta thing
20:39:39Darko_then vanished and now appeared again
20:40:16Darko_its just mouse and background and cd is still spinning
20:40:47Darko_Microsoft really spoiled us :)
20:41:40[Saint]Running a distro from a LiveCD really can't be compared to "real" Linux in any way.
20:42:04[Saint]it depends on the speed of your optical drive, and loopback filesystems are really bad for disk IO speeds.
20:42:27Darko_I know just kidding before "operation", this PC has little memory now I remembered
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20:47:04sillytonesif that doesn't work youcan try using puppy linux from usb - it's fast
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20:49:41[Saint]sillytones: assuming the host machine supports boot from USB
20:49:48[Saint](many older machines don't)
20:57:06sillytones[Saint]: true, but you can use puppy from cd and it's still pretty fast
20:57:32sillytonesor you can use PLoP boot manager to boot from cd first, and then transfer to usb
20:58:00*[Saint] slaps himself for sliding conversation offtopic
20:59:06Darko_finally booted
21:00:32sillytones[Saint]: not much else to do waiting :P
21:01:32[Saint]This is an "on-topic" channel, though. You'll remember this fromt he guidelines you read when you joined, right? ;)
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21:03:18Darko_sorry people, collegue called from university... had a long talk
21:03:32Darko_this machine has only 256MB RAM, its a bit slow
21:03:44Darko_hope it wont destroy anything
21:04:04Darko_this machine doesnt support usb boot as far as i know
21:04:29sillytones[Saint]: i think it was on topic as it pertains to Darko_'s situation
21:04:35Darko_now i see ubuntu desktop
21:05:19Darko_is here a File Manager somewhere?
21:05:34Darko_I forgot to copy OF to this computer... oops :)
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21:08:28Darko_people i decided to boot Ubuntu on new computer and switch internet connection to the old one
21:08:34Darko_this is way to slow
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21:17:27Darkoits me again
21:17:38Darkoofficially running Ubuntu and Firefox
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21:21:23DarkoSaint is @ work
21:21:38Darkodoes anyone knows how to start Terminal in latest Ubuntu?
21:21:55DarkoApplications > then something, but I dont se Applications anywhere
21:22:10Darkoonly Ubuntu Software Center
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21:23:11sillytonesDarko: what version of ubuntu
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21:23:51sillytonesDarko: you probably hit the ubuntu dash button, then type terminal in the seach box
21:24:01DarkoUbuntu 11.10 32bit
21:24:44UrnePress the Windows Key button and type Terminal. I can not remember the keyboard shortcut right now unfortunately
21:24:48Darkothanks! it worked
21:24:53DarkoTerminal up & running
21:24:58sillytonesI think the shortcut is control-t
21:24:59robin0800Darko, ctrl+alt+t
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21:25:28DarkoDashboard > search did the trick!
21:25:42Darkonow i will wait for Saint
21:26:02Darkohe said to wait for him and he will guide me how to restore Sansa Clip v2
21:26:05Darkoif possible at all
21:26:39Darkohe mentioned to check something, i forgot now what...
21:26:43Darkousb command
21:31:02Darkoyes thanks Saint!
21:31:54[Saint]This assumes the device is connected, and in recovery mode already.
21:32:01DarkoBus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 002: ID 09da:000a A4 Tech Co., Ltd Port Mouse Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0781:6200 SanDisk Corp.
21:32:46DarkoI reckon its allright :gree:
21:33:10[Saint]Hum...lsusb doesn't give the mountpoint...well, I fail.
21:33:17sillytonestype 'mount'
21:33:22sillytonesthatwill give mountpoints
21:33:36sillytoneswithout quotes
21:33:55Darkoso many text here
21:34:01Darkoto paste all?
21:34:12[Saint]Use pastebin.
21:34:18sillytoneslook for one like /dev/sdb1
21:34:29sillytonesor with mounpoints in /media/
21:34:36bertrikWhen I had to unbrick my clip+, there was a disk the size of (nearly?) exactly the size of the firmware image, so about 30 MB. I still wonder why.
21:34:45sillytonesbertrik: !!!
21:34:48sillytonesthat's where I am now
21:34:55sillytoneshow did you recover from there
21:35:10[Saint]bertrik: yes, I questioned that earlier.
21:35:12bertrikI dd'ed the firmware image to the USB disk
21:35:21bertrikthe original firmware
21:35:26sillytonesbertrik: to the 30mb partition?
21:35:26[Saint]sillytones: has the same "problem"
21:36:35bertriksillytones, make sure you know exactly which disk is the sansa, unmount any filesystem that is on it, then dd the original firmware to it
21:36:54[Saint]The recovery partition should be almost 980MB afaik, no idea what this 30MB partition is.
21:37:25bertrik[Saint], how do you know?
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21:37:41bertrikI dd'ed to the 30MB one and that fixed it eventually
21:38:29[Saint]bertrik: the early ams days and funman discovering it.
21:38:29Darkohere is text, nothing alike im afraid
21:38:35sillytonesi don't want to risk dd in windows, so i'll reboot to kubuntu in a few minutes
21:38:47bertrikAlso what I did, was to just bridge the 'unbrick' pin for a short time, only during USB plug-in
21:39:02bertrik[Saint], have you ever unbricked an AMS sansa yourself?
21:39:11sillytonesugh, i don't want to open my clip+
21:39:14[Saint]bertrik: yes.
21:39:30[Saint]Fuze v1 and v2
21:39:38Darkohow to use pastebin command on IRC?
21:39:57sillytonesDarko: give us the pastebin url
21:39:57[Saint]Darko: Google it. Its not an orchestra command.
21:40:06[Saint]*irc command
21:40:17bertrikthe problem seems to be that no-one really writes down what they do exactly when unbricking, most people panic and do random stuff it seems
21:40:45sillytonesbertrik: i can write what i'm doing i guess
21:40:59[Saint]If the spelling doesn't give it away, I'm on my phone...this isn't the easiest for me ;)
21:41:10Darkoyou know, I learned so much from a broken Sansa :)
21:41:14Darkohere is a link
21:41:52sillytoneslooks like it's not mounted
21:42:08Darkoso how to do that?
21:42:08bertrikit should not be mounted when doing dd
21:42:16Darkoaha ok
21:42:23sillytonesi forget how to find the device name for unmounted things
21:42:31sillytones besides cheating and opening up gparted
21:42:40Darkoso now its time to dd' it?
21:42:50sillytonesDarko: you need to know its name
21:43:17bertrikI think you can do 'sudo fdisk -l' to see all disks
21:44:09[Saint]sudo fdisk -l should show all disks.
21:44:12Darkosudo here it is
21:44:46sillytonesis your clip 1 gb?
21:44:49bertrikor check with 'dmesg' what happened when you plugged it in, or look in /var/log/syslog
21:45:16Darkoits sdb
21:45:22sillytonesit's probably /dev/sdb
21:45:27Darkoyes 1gb only
21:45:38[Saint]That's wrong then.
21:45:51[Saint]You need to expose the recovery partiron.
21:46:01[Saint]Not the entire raw device.
21:46:09Darkomaybe its Gigabits and GibiBits
21:46:19sillytonesbertrik: i'm going to reboot now, will you still be here to walk me through?
21:46:25[Saint]If you don't expose the recovery partiron, THIS WILL NOT QORK
21:46:45Darkoin windows it was reported as 980 Mb
21:46:57Darko979,75 MB
21:47:12Darkohow to that exposure?
21:47:17[Saint]You bridged the unbrick pins while connecting to USB?
21:47:18bertrikI think I only ever saw a 30 MB raw device, not a 1 GB one
21:47:23Darkono other method that I know of
21:47:43Darkoyes, two small ones beside small chip
21:47:52Darkoi mean not now
21:48:11[Saint]You need to do this every time you connect USB.
21:48:14Darkoi think it wont make any difference
21:48:19[Saint]It does.
21:48:31sillytonesrebooting, brb
21:48:32Darkoi tried shorting pins several times afterwards in windows
21:48:34Darkonothing happend
21:48:40Darkook will try
21:49:22[Saint]If you can't expose the recovery partition, which we can't help you with, there's nothing we can do.
21:50:01Darkowill give my best
21:50:34bertrikI guess the unbrick pins have to be shorted while the player starts up
21:51:15bertrikso, IMO, turn off the player with a long press on POWER, then short the pins, plug it in USB with pins shorted, release the short after a few seconds
21:51:53[Saint]bertrik: that's how I did it.
21:53:05[Saint]Mind you...I got a 980MB partition, not 30MB :-S
21:53:26[Saint]This doesn't seem an exact science.
21:54:12sillytones[Saint]: i got 30 without doing anything to pins
21:54:31sillytonesbertrik: alright trying what you said, first looking for firmwares
21:54:37[Saint]Yeah...I'm still curious about that.
21:56:01[Saint]bertrik: in case you missed it, sillytones' device decided to expose this 30mb partition all by itself after a hard power down and sitting a week or so.
21:56:27Darkowell it still is same
21:56:31bertrikwhat devices are we talking about really?
21:56:32Darko1027 MB reported
21:57:05sillytones[Saint]: isn't darko looking at disk size not partition size since nothing is mounted
21:57:22Darkoi did it
21:57:23sillytonesbertrik: i've got a clip+, Darko has a clip v2
21:57:27Darko4 MB partition reveiled
21:57:37DarkoI used metal tool
21:57:47[Saint]4 MB? !?
21:57:49Darkowhats its name in english... grabber of metal
21:57:56Darkoand shorted nand IC rendomly
21:58:01Darkoand now i see 4MB
21:58:23Darkomaybe i fried it :)
21:58:49Urnevery.. interesting!
21:59:04[Saint]Never seen, nor heard of, that before. A 4mb partition. The OF would not fit there.
21:59:22Darkomaybe some stripped down version? :)
21:59:37Darkojust mp3 support, no room for radio :)
22:00:22Darkoto try another time?
22:00:39bertrikI think we've seen the 4MB disk before, but never really understood what it was good for, maybe funman knows
22:00:57sillytones[Saint]: bertrik: I'm not seeing the clip+ in fdisk
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22:01:48bertriksillytones, I thought you already had the 30 mb disk?
22:02:00sillytonesbertrik: i did in winows
22:02:04Darkonow i repeated with old pins everybody nows and its back to 1027MB
22:02:17Darkoi think we have to accept this is it
22:02:25sillytonesbertrik: i restarted into ubuntu to use dd, now I don't see it
22:02:28Darkoall we can do now is try dd-ing
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22:02:47bertrikDarko, I think it can't get any worse by trying ...
22:02:50[Saint_] were shorting RANDOM pins?
22:03:01Darkoyeah :)
22:03:12DarkoESD protection worked
22:03:19[Saint_]Do you LIKE this device? :)
22:03:22sillytones[Saint]: could I have rehidden the 30mb partition by leaving it plugged in too long
22:03:26 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
22:03:33Darkoeasy come easy go
22:03:47Darkoreally i have 5 exams in next 2 months
22:03:55Darkoreally must keep calm :)
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22:05:01bertriksillytones, you can try powering it down and then turn it on by plugging USB
22:05:08sillytonesi'm not seeing the disk anymore. i really don't know what to do at this point.
22:05:28Darkobut i really appreciate your help
22:05:40Darkoyou have to shortpin it
22:05:42sillytonesbertrik: it never powers up when it's plugged in
22:06:51bertrikopen a separate terminal window or terminal tab and type 'tail -f /var/log/syslog'
22:07:20bertrikin this mode, you cannot tell if it's powered up or not just by looking at the display
22:08:09sillytonesalright, looking at syslog. now should I hold down the power button for 30s and then plug it in?
22:08:14Darkobertrik i also did that
22:08:15sillytonesor just plug it in
22:08:21Darkohow you know if its powered
22:09:08bertrikyou know it's powered if syslog shows a USB device when it's plugged in
22:10:00sillytonesbertrik: got something (pastebinning)
22:10:47sillytoneslooks like a recurring pattern
22:11:07bertrikAFAIK, the most promising method is to 1) unplug the device from USB 2) hold power button for 20sec or so to make sure it's powered off 3) bridge the unbrick pins 4) while bridged, plug it in USB 5) release the unbrick pins after syslog shows that something USB was detected
22:11:50bertrikif you get a 30 MB disk, try dd-ing the original firmware image to it
22:11:57Darkohere it is, shorted pins, plugged and then checked
22:12:11bertrik(not the .zip by the way, but the binary image inside the .zip)
22:13:00Darkoso i wont to try dd
22:13:06bertrikDarko, what does sudo fdisk -l say now?
22:13:54Darkosudo fdisk -l unchanged
22:14:06bertriksillytones, hm, there seems to be some other problem, the USB disk is not coming up
22:14:54sillytonesbertrik: i think i got it
22:15:11sillytonesbertrik:after hodling down the power button it looks like it found it
22:17:03bertrikgreat, now it's dd time
22:17:10sillytonesawesome, clippa.bin?
22:17:37sillytonesdd ~/clppa.bin /dev/sdb ?
22:17:43sillytonesI don't dd frequently
22:18:04bertrikdd is a bit weird with respect to arguments
22:18:21bertrikyou have to do 'sudo dd if=~/clppa.bin of=/dev/sdb'
22:18:32sillytonesalright. here goes
22:19:37sillytonesits going
22:20:21sillytonesi wonder what dd is like if you make it more verbose
22:20:57sillytonesalright 16MB copied. should I try powering it on now?
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22:21:26bertrikyeah, unplug, then turn it off and then on again
22:22:17sillytonesnothing :(
22:22:46[Saint_]What happened exactly?
22:23:17sillytones[Saint_]: i held the power button down for 30 s, waited 5 seconds, and pressed it, expecting the screen to come on
22:23:25sillytonesI didn't notice any change
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22:24:11sillytoneswhatever that 30mb partition was, I dd'd over it though...
22:24:18bertrikdo you see anything different in /var/log/syslog when plugging it into USB ?
22:24:28sillytonesbertrik: hold on i'll try
22:25:04Darkosorry sillytones to hear that :(
22:25:14DarkoSaint I got another idea
22:25:24Darkoi unsoldered "-" battery wire
22:25:34Darkoi will unsolder "+" wire too
22:25:37Darkoand try reseting
22:25:45Darkomaybe it is blocking it
22:26:01Darkoor... i could just try dd-ing now as it is
22:26:21Darkowhat you think?
22:26:26bertrikunsoldering the "+" wire is not going to help IMO
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22:27:14[Saint_] may as well try DD to the raw device...but, I really doubt success.
22:28:03sillytonesbertrik: there's a slight difference compaired to the previous one
22:28:07sillytonesa few lines missing
22:28:49sillytonesmostly looks the same though
22:29:04sillytonesi'm taking a look in fdisk
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22:29:36Darkowell it was worth trying
22:29:43Darkonow its dd time
22:29:56bertriksillytones, indeed I see no significant change
22:29:57Darkoif i am not mistaken
22:30:09Darkom30pa.bin is on my sd1 drive
22:30:17Darkobut i want toheck that
22:30:26Darkois there a File manager
22:30:34sillytonesbertrik: fdisk sees /dev/sdb as a 32mb disk with no partition table
22:30:38Darkotoheck = to check
22:31:05bertriksillytones, I don't know what to try anymore, maybe you can try again a few more times
22:31:13sillytonesbertrik: ok
22:31:26sillytonesDarko: there is, just click on the dock icon that looks like a folder
22:32:02bertrikI can't remember if there really was a partition, or that I copied the original firmware image directly to the raw disk
22:32:33bertrikmaybe the 30 mb raw disk needs to be partitioned first
22:32:47sillytonesbertrik: would it be fat 16 or fat 32?
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22:34:08bertrikI don't know, it didn't have a file system when I did it
22:34:54sillytonesi'll try 16 then 32
22:35:04sillytonesafter formatting do I use the same dd command?
22:35:58 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
22:36:10sillytonescreate an ms-dos partition table?
22:36:11Darkook thanks sillytone
22:36:18bertrikIt doesn't need formatting, maybe only partitioning
22:36:38Darkonow just to put something in my mouth, never do important job on empty stomach :)
22:37:07bertrikwash your hands after soldering, before eating
22:37:20sillytonesbertrik: hmm,, what technique do you suggest I use? I only know gparted, and it says i need a partition table first
22:37:28Darkooh i disconnected soldering iron
22:38:18bertriksillytones, sorry I don't know
22:38:39sillytonesi guess it doesn't hurt to try
22:38:40bertrikI think we (the rockbox dev team) should have a closer look at the internal AMS code
22:38:59sillytoneswhat does AMS stand for btw?
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22:39:16n1sAustria mircosystems
22:39:22bertrikaustria micro systems, the manufacturer of the main chip
22:39:55sillytonesfunman appeared earlier, but said something about needing to charge his laptop, too bad we can't ask the expert
22:40:10Urnewas just about to ask. I just found there was 184 abbrevations for AMS.
22:40:12n1sbtw wasn't formatting and or partitioning a nice way to get serious trouble with some older sansa in recovery mode?
22:40:28n1si never remember how these weird recovery modes work
22:40:33sillytonesmaybe i shouldn't partition then
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22:41:50n1si'd say that the best way would be to get ahold of someone who knows how to do this and not try random stuff unless you can't find any such person
22:41:54sillytonesthink i should send funman a memo and see if he'd be willing to help me out later
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22:46:45Darkook fresh as new :) too bad my Sansa is not :(
22:47:25Darkook, my .bin is on a 7.7GB partition (root)
22:47:30Darkoand my sansa is sdb
22:47:36Darkonow to dd it
22:48:03sillytonesalright sent a memo to funman
22:48:15sillytoneshope he's able to help
22:48:35Darkocan someone help me with the right command?
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22:50:21DarkoSaint welcome back
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23:03:43saratogabertrik: according to the wiki, just sending over an OF.bin file won't work, so probably no surprise it didn't work here
23:03:50saratogai think you need to send over an image from a working player
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23:05:57Darkocan you help me with dd command?
23:08:39dfktdoes using a peak meter in a theme use significantly more processing power/battery?
23:09:00saratogait uses some more power, probably depends on the target
23:09:07saratogathe screen will refresh a lot more IIRC
23:10:20dfkti see. too bad that's not easily measured with batter runtime, except one wants to 'burn in' the screen
23:11:11saratogahopefully we're smart enough to not calculate it when teh screen is off
23:11:23Darkocan someone help me with dd command?
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23:11:38Darkoits getting late at my place :)
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23:15:27dfktregarding screen refresh - i'd like text lines scrolling as smooth as possible, meaning in 1px steps. but then the maximum speed of 15 is kind of slow. would it be easy to tweak the source to provide faster speed?
23:16:30saratogaits probably just a variable somewhere in the wps code, but i don't know much about that
23:16:34saratogakugel could probably tell you
23:16:38dfkti will have a look
23:17:46pixelmathe scroll speed settings are in the menu, it's something general, not something WPS or theme specific (code wise)
23:18:45bertrikWhat is at 0xc607000 in the AMSv2?
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23:22:15dfktmenu.c has a lot of scrolling references
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23:26:15dfktah, settings_list.c seems to be the right one
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23:27:54saratogais it hard to get the clipv2 open?
23:28:02Darkocan you help figuring dd command?
23:28:08Darkosaratoga no
23:28:16Darkoclip v2 is very easy to open
23:28:28DarkoI used razor/scalpel tool
23:28:41Darkogently it will open by very little force
23:28:46Darkoyou have youtube video
23:28:58Darkothen you have 5-6 little screws
23:29:42Darkogently remove heatsink and you will see one side of the board with battery attached to it with double-sided mini tape
23:30:16Darkoi haven't gone dipper then this
23:30:41Darkounless you wish to dissasamble oled screen and get to other side
23:31:39Darkoits getting late here at my place
23:32:15Darkoi wish to try dd-ing my sansa, so far it is seen as 1014 MB drive, not mounted
23:32:40Darkoi have m30pa.bin on my 7GB partition and sansa is sbd
23:32:54Darkowhat should be the proper command?
23:37:39DarkoI have trouble figuring first part of command
23:38:01Darkodd if=???/m30pa.bin of=/dev/sdb
23:38:27Darkohow to find out source drive letters
23:38:36Darkoi tried sda1 (first partition)
23:38:51Darkobut it reports no such dir
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23:42:00Darkoany help anyone?
23:47:44Darkoill try tomorow, bye everyone!
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23:50:27*bertrik now has a nearly complete disassembly of the clip+ internal rom
23:51:47 Quit parafin (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
23:52:53sillytonessaratoga: I happen to have another working clip+
23:53:05sillytoneshow do I get the image
23:53:11dfkti changed the scroll speed from 15 to 25 here - - it shows up, but it's not doing anything. any hints on where else to look?
23:54:07saratogasillytones: with the dd command on the wiki page
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23:54:29saratoga(in the recovery mode)
23:54:40sillytonesdo I need to get the recovery partition first?
23:54:43saratogai guess we could also dump it pretty easily from rockbox, but you'd have to write some code to do it
23:55:09saratogabertrik: where did you get the ROM from? dumped in recovery mode or?

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