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00:05:25	bertrik	saratoga, I don't quite remember, I dumped it from within rockbox IIRC
00:05:40	saratoga	oh?
00:05:43	saratoga	do you have code to do that?
00:06:27	aussa	hi, can I shuffle between albums using rockbox?
00:07:55	bertrik	saratoga, I did this sometime in april this year, can't really remember how I did it, maybe I modified an existing dumper plugin. It's basically 128k of memory marked in the datasheet as "internal ROM"
00:08:38	saratoga	ah dumps the memory mapped rom, not the flash rom
00:11:36	pixelma	aussa: look up "random folder advance" in our manual
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00:17:56	dfkt	JdGordon, your name's in the copyright of settings_list.c and .h - do you know a quick way of increasing scroll speed?
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00:20:06	JdGordon	dfkt: change the setting?
00:20:41	dfkt	i changed the maximum from 15 to 25. it shows up fine in the settings menu, but it doesn't increase speed
00:21:19	sillytones	did you try turning it off and back on again?
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00:22:12	dfkt	anything above scroll speed 15 behaves like scroll speed 1
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00:22:22	aussa	pixelma, thank you :D
00:24:52	JdGordon	dfkt: probably because that setting needs more magic done
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00:26:22	dfkt	i thought so - yet i didn't find where the magic links to. settings.c/.h and screen_access.c refer to scroll speed as well, but nothing that would change anything, as far as i can see
00:27:11	dfkt	settings.h even mentions "scroll speed 1-30" in a comment, which probably is not up to date
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00:29:42	saratoga	sorry i'm no help either, i think you probably know more about the wps code at this point then i do
00:30:22	dfkt	cheers :)
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01:02:13	[Saint]	Bah! No one noticed scroll speed isn't a valid config option for themes (wrt themesite?)
01:02:36	[Saint]	s/?)/)?/
01:04:18	JdGordon	how is it a theme setting?
01:05:39	[Saint]	I guess I missinterpreted what dfkt was trying to do.
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01:25:27	[Saint]	Are my posts being eaten by the spam filter?
01:25:41	[Saint]	I can't seem to see my latest post in the forum.
01:26:07	[Saint]	it _should_ be in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,29106.msg185531.html#msg185531
01:28:01	[Saint]	Humm...now it finally popped up :-S
01:28:05	[Saint]	twice.
01:28:56	[Saint]	Wait...what? Nope.
01:29:24	[Saint]	I can see it if I hit "Reply" in the thread. But its not in Recent Posts, or visiblew inthe thread without replying.
01:30:03	sillytones	I don't see yours, justsaratoga's
01:30:30	[Saint]	Yeah...hit reply, without actually replying, though.
01:30:41	[Saint]	see if you see it in the post list then.
01:31:41	[Saint]	I can see it if I hit 'Reply", actually two of them, that its decided to merge.
01:32:02	[Saint]	<grumble>SMF</grumble>
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01:36:04	[Saint]	Fixed! Thanks to the lovely and talented AlexP poking Akismet in the guts
01:36:22	[Saint]	Seems it thought I was a nasty spammer.
01:36:24	AlexP	It was pretty damn complicated
01:36:32	AlexP	I clicked "Not spam" :)
01:52:33	sillytones	don't you love the sea monster picture on the sansa site :/
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02:38:42	[Saint]	alexbobp: New version available on the tracker
02:38:47	[Saint]	FS #12254
02:38:48	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12254 RaaA cabbiev2 [Full Touch Application Port] (patches, new)
02:39:46	[Saint]	(Nothing really "major", just getting my current work into the wild...a few alignment fixes and a couple of c/p fail fixes)
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03:47:26	sillytones	is 3.9.1 still the latest stable release
03:47:36	JdGordon	yes
03:47:51	sillytones	i have a bug i want to report but I want to be sure i'm using the lastest release
03:48:47	sillytones	is flyswatter the place to put up bugs about themes
03:49:11	biasedper	I'm somewhat confused on how to get korean/japanese/chinese characters to display. How do I check if they are unicode or not?
03:49:37	sillytones	biasedper: did you get a the font package and a theme that can support them?
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04:09:04	biasedper	I installed the font package
04:09:21	biasedper	how do I tell which theme supports them?
04:10:04	sillytones	biasedper: what player are you using?
04:10:09	biasedper	sansa clip+
04:11:44	sillytones	oh cool same as me. hold on
04:12:28	sillytones	take a look through here http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=sansaclip
04:13:27	saratoga	if you just want a font that covers a lot of languages, try unifont
04:14:05	biasedper	sillytones: i found one I liked
04:14:07	biasedper	http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1420&target=sansaclip
04:14:21	biasedper	saratoga: I don't understand how to install fontsother then the font package
04:14:36	sillytones	one of the ones with asian char support
04:14:49	saratoga	once you've installed the font package, you can go to settings and change the font to any of the ones on the player
04:15:11	saratoga	although if you pick a font thats much different then the one your current theme is made for, the UI might look weird
04:15:27	sillytones	biasedper: while you're installing themes, might want to grab some explicitly designed for asian character support as backup
04:15:49	sillytones	saratoga: is flyswatter the place to report bugs in themes?
04:16:03	biasedper	silly what do you mean one with asian char support
04:16:08	biasedper	oh i see
04:16:09	biasedper	nm'
04:16:22	saratoga	flyspray?
04:16:31	sillytones	yeah, sorry
04:16:40	saratoga	aside from the stock theme, no
04:17:25	sillytones	saratoga: I found a fairly annoying problem in botio, which existed as far back as 3.7.1, where would I report it
04:17:50	sillytones	the artist and track information flicker and disappear from the WPS
04:18:11	saratoga	contact the author
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04:21:37	sillytones	saratoga: the theme page doesn't have contact info, but Matthieu Bedouet is the author
04:22:05	saratoga	ok
04:24:31	biasedper	another problem i had is when i transferred over these files it completely fubar'd the entire player, i couldn't delete any of the files even using cmd prompt, how can I avoid this? the song filenames are in english. here's a screenshot of it : http://i.imgur.com/0OiwK.jpg
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04:25:12	saratoga	thats probably a corrupt file system
04:25:50	[Saint]	biasedper: Sounds like your filesystem is toast. You can avoid help avoid this by always safely removing/ejecting the player after transferring files to it.
04:27:55	[Saint]	"saratogaalthough if you pick a font thats much different then the one your current theme is made for, the UI might look weird"
04:28:03	[Saint]	the theme may also actively ignore it.
04:28:30	[Saint]	If the theme loads its own fonts, it doesn't matter what the userfont is set to.
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04:44:54	biasedper	I've got japanese and korean working but it doesn't show chinese characters. I put it on GNU-Unifont too
04:44:59	biasedper	is there anyway I can have all three working at once?
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04:54:54	saratoga	biasedper: probably something wrong with your source if only chinese doesn't work
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04:58:10	sillytones	hmm funman saw my memo about unbricking my clip+ and said to just use the wiki and ask here for help
04:58:52	sillytones	so since I've already asked everyone here, I guess I'll just wait until funman is in the channel
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07:21:24	[Saint]	kugel: ping?
07:21:56	[Saint]	Why won't the line padding patch allow a partial line to be displayed unless the user is scrolling lists?
07:23:28	[Saint]	ie. If the UI viewport allows for the display of 10 lines before padding is applied, and then padding is applied and only 8.7 (just a random number) lines can be displayed, then only "full" lines are drawn. In this fantasy case, it would only draw 8 lines.
07:24:02	[Saint]	but as soon as the user starts to scroll the lists, the .7 line would be shown.
07:25:07	JdGordon	the more correct question is why does the .7 get shown when scrolling
07:25:40	[Saint]	?
07:26:45	[Saint]	the "correct" question (IMO) is "why are partial lines only displayed while scrolling?"
07:27:44	JdGordon	the inbuilt lists never ever drew partial lines, kinetic scrolling changed that
07:28:31	[Saint]	I think its nice that it does do it, personally. It the user has the scrollbar turned off it gives an indication that the list continues.
07:28:41	[Saint]	*If the
07:29:11	JdGordon	I'm not saying that it shouldnt, just that it should always or never
07:29:30	[Saint]	without displayign a partial line, and with a significant amount of padding, it can look as though the UI viewport is a lot shorter than it actually is.
07:29:32	JdGordon	you're blaming the line padding patch which is incorrect
07:29:36	[Saint]	That's the problem I have with it.
07:29:59	[Saint]	Hum...I'd only noticed this behaviour since the line padding.
07:30:51	[Saint]	I seem to recall partial lines being displayed fine before this, apparently I'm wrong, but my recollection tells me it used to draw the partial line.
07:32:36	JdGordon	just tried on my phone which is pre-line padding and AFAICT they dont show unless scrolling
07:33:06	[Saint]	Hum...
07:33:11	*	[Saint] retracts the statement.
07:33:42	JdGordon	no!
07:33:49	JdGordon	it is still an issue...
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07:34:58	[Saint]	I need to take a screenshot to measure it...but it looks as though the scrollbar only draws the length of full lines that can be displayed in the UI viewport.
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07:35:39	JdGordon	no, scrollbar draws the full viewport height
07:36:11	[Saint]	My perception must be all out of whack then. It doesn't look like its doing so here.
07:36:15	kugelp	[Saint]: pong?
07:37:06	[Saint]	kugelp: nevermind. I thought I'd found something with the line padding patch, but it turns out the behaviour extends far past that.
07:38:29	kugelp	okay :-)
07:39:18	kugelp	yea it doesnt do partial lines if the pixels offset is zero
07:40:12	kugelp	I made it as to not introduce a special case for touch screen and to not change that behavior for native targets there
07:40:27	kugelp	could/should be changed perhaps
07:40:34	kugelp	it can be awkward
07:40:49	JdGordon	better to fix kinetic scrolling in skin lists
07:41:07	[Saint]	displaying partial lines is nice, IMO. It looks weird when you start scrolling a list and 3/4 of a line suddenly pops into view.
07:41:35	[Saint]	though, its hardly an issue of great importance.
07:41:52	[Saint]	(considering other fun bugs Rockbox has presently)
07:42:46	[Saint]	I've recently discovered that config.cfg changes don't seem to be being saved. I need to test this on more targets/under more conditions.
07:43:11	[Saint]	I seem to recall amiconn noticing this a while ago.
07:48:26	kugelp	I think there was an issue with the shut down procedure?
07:52:45	Buschel	08:38amiconn needs to cross check this on other targets, but with voice enabled, he has to always* use the paperclip at shutdown
07:57:37	[Saint]	kugelp: This is on my phone...its definitely shutting down ok via idle timeout. But the config doesn't seem to be getting saved.
07:58:09	[Saint]	I need to test on non-application targets when I get home/aren't busy.
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09:39:10	kugel	XP got 10 years old. Isn't Rockbox also about 10 years old?
09:46:44	Zagor	yep
09:48:10	kugel	we should celebrate!
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09:50:02	Zagor	I'll buy some cake next devcon :-)
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11:00:57	kugel	saratoga: FS #12348
11:00:58	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12348 [New Port] Samsung YP-R0: the first patches (patches, unconfirmed)
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11:09:22	Zagor	diffstat is horribly buggy. why is it not showing the path?
11:10:04	Zagor	ahh, -p0 does what I want
11:10:13	*	Zagor fixes flyspray
11:11:03	Zagor	much better
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11:23:11	kugel	Zagor: does that work for git patches too?
11:23:27	Zagor	I think so
11:24:05	kugel	it shows b/ before other paths
11:24:32	Zagor	diffstat should just show whatever is in the diff file
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14:41:53	JdGordon	why does the video's scrollwheel feel so slow when the cpu isnt boosted?
14:42:21	JdGordon	is the display so slow and not keeping up? or is it the actual wheel?
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14:56:31	kugel	JdGordon: yes
14:58:15	kugel	the cpu is too slow
14:58:52	Zagor	maybe someone could look into speeding up the boost call, so we could use it in short burts... ;-)
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15:00:12	JdGordon	wasnt boosting on pp pretty much free and CF was the targets which blocked th eidea?
15:00:31	Zagor	I don't remember
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15:01:17	Zagor	I don't recall there were really any problems with it, only fear of problems
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15:02:07	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8668 battery runtime: experimental gui boost (patches, assigned)
15:05:56	JdGordon	ok, why the heck does cabbie work completly fine with the sim build, buton target i dont get the sbs backdrop? :/
15:06:32	JdGordon	i can see the damn buflib allocation there... grrr
15:09:51	kugel	are the voice related bugs posted anywhere? I want to have a look in my little spare time (i.e. on the train ride)
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15:22:50	Zagor	I have asked amiconn for it a number of times, but he doesn't seem to want to write it down
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16:39:12	dfkt	i'm trying to resync fs#12075. it works fine, but creating a .diff to upload to the tracker is a bit tricky, since another patch (sleep timer) shares the same space: http://pastie.org/2756531
16:39:13	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12075 Add timeout to quickscreen (patches, unconfirmed)
16:39:41	dfkt	is there an easy way to 'split' that, or do i have to revert to a clean source and just apply that patch?
16:41:31	Zagor	clean source is usually the best way when creating a patch
16:42:21	dfkt	ok
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18:03:44	saratoga_	is there some reason the channel swap patch was never added to svn: http://pastie.org/2755554
18:03:59	saratoga_	i've seen it floating around but never any explination of why we don't support it
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18:22:17	saratoga_	also, FS #12338 seems useful to me, anyone dislike the implementation?
18:22:17	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12338 Option to restart running sleep timer on keypress (patches, unconfirmed)
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18:23:03	bertrik	meh, do we need yet another sleep timer option?
18:23:11	saratoga_	ha
18:23:26	saratoga_	is there a reason not to?
18:24:10	saratoga_	seems like cluttering the time and date menu isn't much of a problem
18:24:31	bertrik	it's yet another option that has very little to do with audio playback
18:24:57	bertrik	how many more sleep timer options will come next?
18:26:06	bertrik	I don't mind it that much, as long as I can avoid the clutter, but it just feels like feature bloat
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18:26:34	saratoga_	feature bloat is really only a problem if it gets in the way
18:26:53	saratoga_	the time and date menu is easily ignored by everyone else
18:26:56	saratoga_	at least thats my take
18:27:37	saratoga_	and really we only have "start on boot" and "duration" as the settings now
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18:35:37	saratoga_	why do we implement volume balancing by adjusting the individual channel DAC gains rather then just digitally attenuating one channel?
18:36:05	saratoga_	ignoring the problems that will cause using line out, it also means things like channel swap will invert the balance logic
18:36:41	kugel	why are some bugs red colored and sorted at the top of the task list?
18:36:53	kugel	both severity and priority are normal
18:37:02	saratoga_	i've been wondering that for years
18:37:22	kugel	ah I see. the non-red have severity = low
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18:53:32	kugel	I'm unable to reproduce FS #12325. I was able before
18:53:32	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12325 e200v1 screen corruption after USB connection since r30475 (bugs, new)
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18:55:23	kugel	I wonder since when the backdrop is hidden in the usb menu
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19:00:51	kugel	ffs, I hate when bugs don't happen in the sim but on target
19:02:02	kugel	and different behavior. like playback not stopping in the sim when entering usb or recording ...
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19:03:05	kugel	debugging this is going to suck :'(
19:03:28	*	kugel is talking about FS #12241 btw
19:03:29	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12241 Voice menus stop working after return to menu from recording screen (bugs, new)
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20:41:57	mortalis	I want to start new hifiman hm801 port. hm60x and hm801 targets have same lcd. Would it be ok if I move lcd driver from hm60x to rk27xx folder?
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20:43:07	saratoga_	i don't see why not
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20:45:29	Zagor	mortalis: sure
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20:50:42	saratoga_	Zagor: do we have recent download stats for rockbox?
20:50:59	Zagor	anything in particular you wonder?
20:51:09	saratoga_	just wondering which targets get the most downloads
20:51:17	Zagor	I'll take a peek
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20:54:08	Zagor	clip+ has a comfortable lead in october, followed by ipodvideo, fuzev2, e200 & nano2g
20:54:46	Zagor	aug and sep looked the same
20:54:50	saratoga_	how many downloads for the clip+?
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20:55:17	Zagor	~9000/month
20:55:54	saratoga_	nice
20:55:55	y4n	clip+ ftw
20:56:31	saratoga_	so probably over 100k a year just for that one device
20:56:55	Urne	that is pretty impressive
20:57:02	saratoga_	do you have stats for the bootloader downloads?
20:57:22	saratoga_	presumably those are closer to the number of unique users
20:57:47	Zagor	>10k clip+ bootloaders in oct
20:58:19	saratoga_	more then rockbox downloads?
20:58:43	Zagor	yup. no theory :-)
20:59:17	saratoga_	lots of people failing at the bootloader install :)
20:59:29	saratoga_	still very impressive for such an old target
20:59:41	Zagor	86k clip+ bootloaders in 2011
20:59:54	saratoga_	wow
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21:00:29	saratoga_	next time one of those sandisk people messages me i'll remind them that we have easily 100k users for a single one of their devices
21:00:41	saratoga_	then bug them for docs
21:00:52	Zagor	have fun :-)
21:01:54	saratoga_	at very least they should send us some clip zip players already :)
21:02:07	[Saint]	Hahaha!
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21:21:36	bertrik	saratoga_, I'm struggling with the sd code now, I'll have another look at the USB code
21:21:45	bertrik	not quite clear if they use interrupts in the boot code
21:22:05	bertrik	looks like they poll for sd code
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21:48:58	bluebrother^	Zagor: is it possible to automatically generate montly graphs from the download stats? That would be neat :)
21:49:22	Zagor	bluebrother^: sure. are you volunteering? :-)
21:49:55	bluebrother^	is there some kind of stats csv or the like available?
21:50:21	bluebrother^	might be fun to play around with perl a bit and create some graphs. Or use python.
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21:54:27	Zagor	bluebrother^: I can give you a file for playing with
21:55:09	bluebrother^	Zagor: that would be nice
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23:13:29	Darko	Hello!
23:13:44	Darko	can someone help me with dd command pls?
23:13:54	Darko	trying to restore Sansa Clip v2
23:13:59	Darko	tried this:
23:14:00	Darko	ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ dd if=/dev/sda1/m30pa.bin of=/dev/sdb dd: opening `/dev/sda1/m30pa.bin': Not a directory
23:14:09	Darko	and some variations but nothing
23:14:54	Darko	where am I wrong?
23:16:31	Darko	anyone?
23:16:49	bluebrother^	you can't read a file from a device.
23:17:18	Darko	so what should I do? mount it somehow?
23:17:21	bluebrother^	regardless that I don't think dd'ing the firmware file to the player is the way to go: the if= part is wrong
23:17:54	bluebrother^	and _if_ you want to dd it to the player you're likely to want dd'ing it to a partition on the player. Otherwise you'll overwrite the partition table
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23:19:26	bluebrother^	what instructions are you following?
23:19:28	Darko	this is from SansaAMSunbrick page
23:19:29	Darko	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick
23:19:41	Darko	second bold title
23:20:21	bluebrother^	well, that if= part doesn't say something with /dev, does it?
23:20:47	bluebrother^	ah, seems you can dd the firmware to the recovery partition.
23:21:03	*	bluebrother^ wasn't aware of that
23:21:06	Darko	i cant type in right syntax
23:21:15	bluebrother^	why not?
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23:21:27	Darko	my OF m30pa.bin is on my hard disk partition
23:21:40	Darko	i want to put it on player
23:21:41	bluebrother^	so what?
23:21:55	Darko	the first part with if command −− i dont know it
23:21:57	bluebrother^	then use the correct path to the firmware file
23:22:01	Darko	i am new to linux
23:22:06	bluebrother^	if = input file
23:22:08	Darko	and dd −− dont know that
23:22:11	Darko	can you help
23:22:36	bluebrother^	well, as I said. That if= part in your command line is wrong
23:22:52	bluebrother^	and you need to have the firmware file available somewhere in the filesystem
23:22:54	AlexP	Darko: Where is that file?
23:23:07	AlexP	I imagine you want /home/Darko/file.bin or somesuch
23:23:12	bluebrother^	just download the file first using wget ...
23:23:34	Darko	http://pastebin.com/TyKAEhQy
23:23:39	Darko	here are my drives
23:23:55	Darko	it is on a 7 GB partition (on windows that is my C: root)
23:23:58	bluebrother^	err ... your partition table doesn't help
23:24:09	AlexP	It needs mounting
23:24:13	Darko	ok
23:24:16	Darko	how to mount?
23:24:22	AlexP	If you click on it in your file browser it should do it automatically
23:24:26	bluebrother^	type mount, and check the output if it contains sda1
23:24:37	Darko	on .bin file right?
23:24:45	AlexP	eh?
23:25:05	Darko	on what to click to mount −− bin image or partition? :)
23:25:05	AlexP	If you can navigate to the bin file in a file browser then the drive is mounted
23:25:16	bluebrother^	Darko: if you type "mount" on the command line, does the output contain a line saying something with "sda1"?
23:25:20	Darko	sorry, i am not aware ven how stupid my questions are :)
23:25:27	AlexP	type "mount" as bluebrother^ says, and pastebin the output
23:26:53	Darko	http://pastebin.com/bt3aFnf8
23:26:55	Darko	here it is
23:27:18	AlexP	OK
23:27:51	bluebrother^	mkdir /tmp/sda1 && mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/sda1
23:28:00	bluebrother^	where did you put the file on the Windows partition?
23:28:10	bluebrother^	Desktop? My Documents?
23:28:10	Darko	in the root
23:28:17	AlexP	bluebrother^: Probably need sudo for that
23:28:20	Darko	no, C:\
23:28:35	Darko	C:\m30pa.bin
23:28:36	bluebrother^	ls -l /tmp/sda1/
23:28:45	bluebrother^	that should contain the file then
23:28:49	Darko	wait wait guts and galls
23:29:02	Darko	you typed so many lines
23:29:05	bluebrother^	ok
23:29:07	Darko	what to execute
23:29:10	bluebrother^	you do the following:
23:29:14	bluebrother^	mkdir /tmp/sda1 && mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/sda1
23:29:17	bluebrother^	ls -l /tmp/sda1/
23:29:27	Darko	ok
23:29:28	bluebrother^	then you should see the file listed
23:30:08	Darko	i typed first line it says "only root can do that"
23:30:19	bluebrother^	ok, then do the following first:
23:30:21	bluebrother^	sudo su -
23:30:31	Darko	done
23:30:53	bluebrother^	now the mount line should work.
23:30:57	Darko	not is says
23:31:00	Darko	mkdir /tmp/sda1 && mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/sda1
23:31:08	Darko	cannot create dir file exists
23:31:21	bluebrother^	ah, you already created the folder.
23:31:21	Darko	now (not)
23:31:30	bluebrother^	mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/sda1
23:31:47	Darko	done
23:31:55	bluebrother^	ls -l /tmp/sda1
23:32:03	Darko	how to check?
23:32:17	bluebrother^	does the output contain the firmware file?
23:32:28	Darko	yes
23:32:50	Darko	http://pastebin.com/JSnRGdWR
23:33:07	Darko	m30pa.bin
23:33:12	bluebrother^	dd if=/tmp/sda1/m30pa.bin of=/dev/sdb
23:33:23	Darko	ok
23:33:47	Darko	God help :)
23:33:57	Darko	now to wait?
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23:34:18	bluebrother^	no idea how the player reacts on this. That's been the dd part described on the wiki :)
23:34:46	Darko	how long to leave it like that? i mean not to interrupt
23:34:48	bluebrother^	I'd unplug the player now and see what happens.
23:34:48	Darko	aha
23:34:51	Darko	it finished
23:35:26	Darko	http://pastebin.com/gMxd33Q9
23:35:31	bluebrother^	the wiki doesn't describe what's supposed to happen and I don't have a clipv2 :)
23:35:48	Darko	look at pastebin
23:35:51	bluebrother^	well yes, you need to wait until dd finished its work :)
23:35:57	Darko	it says 16MB copied
23:36:06	Darko	ok, now its save to unplug?
23:36:12	bluebrother^	I guess so.
23:36:20	bluebrother^	at least you wrote the firmware.
23:36:28	Darko	i guess, there is no "safe remove hardware" like on Win :))
23:36:36	AlexP	of course there is
23:36:45	bluebrother^	well, not really
23:36:46	AlexP	But you don't need it here
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23:36:56	Darko	ok
23:36:58	bluebrother^	you need to unmount the player on Linux, but since you haven't mounted it you can just unplug it
23:37:07	saratoga_	funman said that his player wouldn't boot if you just DD'ed the firmware update file
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23:37:20	bluebrother^	that "safe remove" on Windows is similar to unmounting on Linux.
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23:37:31	bluebrother^	saratoga_: wow, sounds like fun :o
23:38:18	Darko	saratoga i was told that by Saint last day
23:38:26	Darko	but i dont have a full OF dump
23:38:41	Darko	i couldn't find it and to be hones never seached for it in the forum
23:38:48	Darko	someone must have it
23:39:13	Darko	this .bin is 15MB
23:39:27	Darko	its pretty large file just for an update i think
23:41:34	Darko	i still cannot turn it on (via USB, battery is still unsoldered)
23:41:41	Darko	but something definitly changed
23:41:48	Darko	using funman script for real time monitoring
23:41:52	Darko	i see new line
23:42:22	Darko	"[ 2321.468924] scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk Sansa Clip 1GB v02. PQ: 0 ANSI: 0"
23:42:44	Darko	so it is recognised as Sansa Clip
23:42:56	Darko	that line was not there before when I plugged it in
23:43:37	Darko	guys
23:43:38	Darko	it
23:43:44	Darko	works!!!
23:43:52	Darko	MY sANSA IS BACK!!!!
23:43:55	Darko	OOPS
23:43:57		Part Zagor
23:43:59	Darko	caps sry
23:44:27	Darko	If you ever come in Belgrade, Serbia I'll get you a bear or whatever you are drinking!
23:44:38	AlexP	Not a bear thanks :)
23:44:39	Darko	phew
23:44:44	Darko	anyone there still?
23:44:48	AlexP	Beer on the other hand...
23:45:03	AlexP	I'm glad you got it going
23:45:08	Darko	oh thank you AlexP, thank you bluebrother!
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23:45:34	Darko	and thanks to Saint, bertrik and other guys here who helped me
23:45:44	bluebrother^	you're welcome
23:45:53	AlexP	I did nothing, but you're welcome all the same :)
23:45:55	Darko	I will try to compile recovery guide so other folks will have less trouble as me
23:46:05	Darko	yes you did
23:46:16	Darko	and bluebrother helped alot with syntax stuff
23:46:25	Darko	gee i am so happy
23:46:45	Darko	these past few days were devastating for my self-esteam :)
23:47:04	Darko	ok
23:47:22	Darko	if you want to listen some of my original music as a little way to thank you
23:47:26	Darko	visit my hompage
23:47:28	saratoga_	perhaps copying a firmware update file will work if the rest of the reserved space is zeroed first
23:47:31	Darko	www.darkoangeleski.co.cc
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23:47:54	Darko	saratoga i dont understand what you mean?
23:48:20	Darko	aha about that thing with full OF vs update?
23:50:14	Darko	people I am thanking all again
23:50:39	Darko	its almst midnight here and I have to go
23:50:50	Darko	I will write about this procedure tommorow on the forum
23:50:57	Darko	to help others
23:51:05	Darko	see you all and take care!
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23:51:56	bertrik	nice to hear it worked out eventually
23:52:54	bertrik	so, the clipv2 apparently doesn't need to be partitioned before dd-ing the OF firmware
23:54:04	bertrik	yet the whole procedure seems to rely a bit on black magic
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23:55:35	Darko	also Clip v2 (at least this 1 GB version) reported as 1027MB drive, Saint was puzzled and doubted it will work
23:55:57	Darko	because 30MB "hidden" partition wasn't reveald. Nevertheless, it worked!
23:56:00	saratoga_	bertrik: the reserve area is bigger then the OF binary, so I bet the key is to zero the storage right after the OF image so that it doesn't have leftover state when it tries to boot
23:56:24	Darko	the most confusing part for me is that mounting procedure we did this evening and if part of dd command
23:57:33	Darko	i am a Linux newbie, but after this will try to invest some time to learn Unix OS
23:57:36	saratoga_	wasn't the command you ended up using identical to the one on the wiki?
23:57:44	Darko	nope
23:57:49	saratoga_	what was different?
23:57:59	Darko	dd if=/tmp/sda1/m30pa.bin of=/dev/sdb
23:58:09	Darko	well, it was identical
23:58:13	saratoga_	yeah
23:58:16	Darko	but the procedure was much complicated
23:58:32	AlexP	It depends on your knowledge
23:58:54	Darko	for a linux newbie its not easy to mount a drive or partition
23:58:59	saratoga_	so the entire problem here was just figuring out the mount point of your player?

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