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#rockbox log for 2011-10-31

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00:05:24	nsx	meh the button/controller zif connector is impossible to work with on the fuze v2
00:05:54	wodz	patch very similar to this from FS #10883 was commited in r28584 by learman
00:05:56	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10883 clickwheel stops working when its used during the bookmark setting process (patches, unconfirmed)
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00:16:08	saratoga	i recommend tweezers for putting the ribbon cable back in
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00:22:54	JdGordon	rasher: using the "file browser starts here" folder is very likely not what someone wants for their database (or at the very least you would still need to support magic .ignore files)
00:23:24	JdGordon	I have a patch which lets you pick exactly which directories you want to scan but someone needs to hook it up to the db so it works
00:24:00	rasher	JdGordon: yeah, I was just suggesting sticking with the current system (and honor .nomedia as well, to play nice with the OS we're guests on)
00:24:12	rasher	But then completely skip /system/
00:24:33	rasher	It's pretty much orthogonal to what you're doing :)
00:24:35	JdGordon	thats not really portably thuogh, we'd need some list for every OS we're guests
00:24:37	JdGordon	on
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00:49:27	JdGordon	jhMikeS: malloc backed buflib is simple, i believe i put a patch on fs to do it
00:50:01	JdGordon	pretty much do an array of malloc pointers (which will never move)
00:50:18	JdGordon	and yeah, I'd given up trying to get implicti locking into buflib
00:50:45	JdGordon	I'm now not completly convinced they are required anyway. just about anything which needs locking needs a move callback anyway
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01:09:22	jhMikeS	JdGordon: What do you mean by that last statement? I wanted to get rid of callbacks and know it's doable with the exception of the alloc maximum user which needs to make room. The rest can just get pointers when needed from the handles.
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01:18:48	JdGordon	jhMikeS: have a look at the buflib move handle in firmware/font.c. The varisou structs have a bunch of pointers which need updating when the base moves
01:19:02	JdGordon	The only way to remove that is to change everything to offsets which is yuck
01:20:12	JdGordon	implicit locking would for sure be useful for things like images where they are loaded into a handle (which needs to be locked during load) and it has no other pointers to move
01:20:22	JdGordon	but otherwise we don't gain much with it
01:20:31	JdGordon	that said, yes, it shuold have been there from the start
01:22:59	jhMikeS	JdGordon: buffering has concerns like that and yet still needs no callback. why should internal structs be the client's concern? it should be the job of buflib to ease the stress elsewhere.
01:23:32	JdGordon	how is that supposed to work?
01:23:57	JdGordon	it would be great if it could change all pointers in the background, but how can it know which to fix?
01:25:13	jhMikeS	I suppose I don't know what you're getting at. If it's internal structs to buflib, why can't it update it's own business? what's it got to do with what the client knows?
01:25:39	JdGordon	because they arent buflib owned pointers
01:25:50	JdGordon	have a look at font.c :)
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01:26:28	JdGordon	the buflib handle has a struct font on it, which itself has the lru struct, there are about half a dozen pointers into the various buffers which will all move with the handle
01:26:30	jhMikeS	omg. ok, clients don't save pointers. they grab a pointer through the handle, use it, then release it a short time afterwards.
01:26:32	JdGordon	buflib doesnt know about them
01:26:56	JdGordon	yes
01:27:57	JdGordon	I understand what you want, but it requires changing lots of stuff to use offsets instead of pointers
01:28:00	jhMikeS	aha, I see. yes, you would need offsets or a callback for those cases (duh was me). sure the pointers could be adjusted but it wouldn't happen during the locking.
01:28:07	jhMikeS	alot of cases wouldn't need the callback
01:29:20	JdGordon	keeping the lock balanced would be "fun" also
01:29:30	jhMikeS	buffering does mp3entries like that but internally
01:30:27	jhMikeS	that doesn't worry me personally. if you mess up, I get it could show up in the debug screen
01:34:16	JdGordon	sure, still doesnt mean it isnt going to be painful to get working
01:34:37	JdGordon	but anyway, yes, if it had implicit locking then there would be more benefit to changign things to offsets and removing the callback completly
01:38:32	nsx	saratoga, the problem is that I damaged the little black thing that swings up on the ZIF connector
01:38:36	nsx	it popped completely off
01:38:56	nsx	I've taken apart a gazillion netbooks and laptops and dealt with all kinds of ZIF connectors and never had a problem like that
01:38:56	saratoga	ah
01:39:00	nsx	so I'm going to have to rig this back together
01:39:10	saratoga	maybe try glue?
01:39:15	nsx	I'm trying with electrical tape but so far the wheel is only working a fraction of the time
01:39:23	nsx	perhaps
01:39:34	saratoga	yeah you need a good contact otherwise some of the pins won't work
01:39:46	jhMikeS	JdGordon: well, if I get the itch I'll try it out, hard or not
01:39:48	saratoga	be really careful, its easy to break the wheel board as well
01:42:00	nsx	two questions: a) approximately how long does it take to charge a fuze v2 from an empty battery and b) is it safe to connect the fuze to a standard ac -> usb charger (1 amp vs 500 mA is the difference, iirc)
01:42:23	nsx	I'm thinking b shouldn't matter, because the resistance of the circuit dictates how much of a charge it draws
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01:42:29	nsx	so long as the voltage is the same, it shouldn't fry it
01:42:37	JdGordon	jhMikeS: go for it! :) let me know if you do, I'll help out on the client side
01:43:11	saratoga	the fuze is just a usb device, so any USB charger will work
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01:57:13	jhMikeS	JdGordon: I do have the tdspeed/dsp thing itching right now ahead of that (yay!)
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02:02:04	JdGordon	whats wrong there?
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02:13:23	jhMikeS	JdGordon: dsp can't really properly handle truncated destination buffers when an effect demands to output whatever count it wants
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03:15:10	semitones	hey i'm going to try unbricking my clipplus again
03:15:18	semitones	still haven't taken it apart, hope I don't have to
03:15:26	alexbobp	I need to get around to unbricking mine
03:15:30	JdGordon	funman: can you help semitones ?
03:15:31	alexbobp	by which I mean solder the power connectors back on
03:16:19	[Saint]	alexbobp: that one took a saline drink, did it not?
03:16:34	[Saint]	If I'm remembering correctly.
03:17:36	alexbobp	[Saint]: that's the one!
03:19:17	semitones	ok here is the disk in fdisk: Disk /dev/sdb: 32 MB, 32096256 bytes
03:19:47	saratoga	try copying over the image and see if it works
03:20:29	semitones	Ok the last time I tried, I was having a hard time seeing if dd was succeeding to write to the storage. Any tips on how to do that
03:21:00	saratoga	oh i forgot about that
03:21:09	saratoga	i thought you figured out that you couldn't write to the storage?
03:21:25	semitones	saratoga: i think that was what was happening, but I'd like to verify
03:21:37	semitones	I was getting a file that had repeating @^@^@^@^@
03:21:41	saratoga	try reading back what you wrote and see if its still there after a reboot
03:22:19	semitones	how should I read back what I wrote? my experience with linux growing every day I try this :P
03:23:02	saratoga	the wiki page has the command
03:24:12	semitones	ah! maybe that is the problem
03:24:40	semitones	my command didn't have bs=512 count=$((0xF000))
03:25:13	semitones	echo$?
03:25:20	semitones	does that say if dd was successful?
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03:28:03	saratoga	if you don't get any output that usually means it was successful
03:28:24	saratoga	or at least that it didn't error, obviously the command has no way to know if the data actually gets written somewhere
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03:31:40	semitones	I tried to open the file with kate to look at it, and it crashed my system :/
03:31:57	semitones	i need a better program to use
03:32:06	semitones	will less do the job?
03:32:26	JdGordon	kate is a text editor isnt it?
03:33:01	JdGordon	if it didnt error out just assume it worked, eject and try the next bit of the recovery procedure
03:33:22	semitones	I assumed it worked last time, and it may have not
03:33:46	semitones	(last time the rest of the recovery procedure work, so this time I'm going carefully step by step)
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04:11:22	semitones	od orig_image.bin \|head #ok I was able to read the file by doing this
04:12:46	semitones	i can read clppa.bin the same way
04:12:54	semitones	so now I have a good method of comparison
04:13:03		Part toffe82
04:15:34	semitones	$ sudo dd if=/home/patrick/clppa.bin of=/dev/sdb
04:16:54	semitones	30720+0 records in
04:16:54	semitones	30720+0 records out
04:16:54	semitones	15728640 bytes (16 MB) copied, 57.566 s, 273 kB/s
04:17:07	semitones	odd, last time I tried this, it was 60000 some records in and out I thought
04:18:35	semitones	no, it is the same http://paste.ubuntu.com/720167/
04:18:43	semitones	ok, unplugging, turning off, and back on again
04:18:52	semitones	wait!
04:19:18	semitones	JdGordon: saratoga: before I unplug it, should I dump it to a file to see if it actually wrote something
04:19:38	JdGordon	no real point
04:19:43	JdGordon	dd can usually be trusted
04:19:52	JdGordon	just do a sync first
04:20:03	semitones	how do I do a sync?
04:20:09	JdGordon	$ sync
04:20:21	JdGordon	just incase the kernel hasnt written everything to the device yet
04:20:32	semitones	what is the whole command?
04:20:37	JdGordon	$ sync
04:20:49	semitones	$ $ sync
04:20:49	semitones	$: command not found
04:20:59	JdGordon	sync
04:21:01	gevaerts	Why?
04:21:01	JdGordon	just sync
04:21:13	semitones	ok I sync'd
04:21:18	gevaerts	sync is for filesystems, you're not going through that layer
04:21:21	semitones	thanks :)
04:21:42	JdGordon	gevaerts: just testing!
04:22:43	nsx	I can't get this wheel controller's ribbon to connect to my fuze's ZIF connector for anything :\|
04:22:53	nsx	looks like it's not properly aligning
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04:23:02	semitones	ok, I made sure the device is off, now i'm plugging it back into my computer
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04:26:47	semitones	nothing has changed, really...
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04:29:57	semitones	the drive is the same as before: 0000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000
04:29:57	semitones	*
04:29:57	semitones	170000000
04:30:18	semitones	those are the first 10 lines according to od filename \|head
04:30:53	semitones	Anything else to try here?
04:34:58	*	semitones looks around
04:35:34	JdGordon	go buy a new one
04:36:03	[Saint]	Not really...my suspicion was always that when Bertrik "unbricked" his clip he actually just did somethat that brought it out of a hard loop.
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04:36:43	[Saint]	Without exposing the recovery partition, and being able to write to it...there's nothing to be done here.
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04:36:56	semitones	ok −− maybe we should update the page saying that it is likely to be impossible
04:37:02	semitones	unless you want a few other suckers to try it :p
04:37:11	[Saint]	Its not impossible.
04:37:16	[Saint]	Its very possible.
04:37:41	semitones	[Saint]: i'm not saying unbricking is impossible: I'm saying the whole 32mb partition part is
04:37:48	[Saint]	Its not possible without exposing the recovery partition, though.
04:37:53	semitones	yeah
04:38:07	semitones	the bottom section of the unbrick would have you believe otherwise
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04:38:18	[Saint]	How so?
04:38:18	semitones	unbrick page, rather
04:38:48	semitones	read the hacking section near the bottom: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick
04:38:53	[Saint]	Its pretty clear about the need to expose the recovery partition.
04:39:11	semitones	it says you may be able to get it working again just by copying the OF file to a zeroed 32MB drive
04:39:59	semitones	is funman still around? ^^ did you have success with that?
04:40:11	[Saint]	may being the key word there.
04:40:54	semitones	true, but that means it was worth a try
04:41:14	[Saint]	As far as I'm aware, this 32mb partition isn't recovery mode...damned if I know what it is...but I'm fairly cartian its not recovery mode.
04:42:04	[Saint]	You are at a point where you'll literally lose nothing by opening the device and trying to mount recovery mode via the documented procedure.
04:42:12	JdGordon	probably some bootloader recovery mode, but we dont know what file it wants you to copy there
04:42:18	JdGordon	so just open it up and do the unbrick
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04:42:31	[Saint]	You can't break it more...
04:42:56	[Saint]	Well...actually, that's a lie. But, you could also recover it.
04:42:58	semitones	haha
04:43:08	semitones	well I'll go looking around for a razorblade
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04:43:19	[Saint]	Ohhh...no no.
04:43:29	[Saint]	You'll only hurt yourself.
04:43:31	semitones	how would I get it open?
04:43:47	[Saint]	Guitar pick? Similar object.
04:44:01	gevaerts	sledgehammer
04:44:02	[Saint]	Nothing sharp, it needn't be shard at all.
04:44:28	semitones	I'm not realy seeing a gap wide enough to put a guitar pick in
04:44:31	*	JdGordon uses the slegdhammer on gevaerts' head to help him get over his jetlag :)
04:44:44	[Saint]	There's several small clips you need to release, its not a case you need to cut apart.
04:44:52	semitones	the seam is very smooth
04:45:29	[Saint]	A sharp-ish knife can get in between the seam.
04:45:54	semitones	if you look at the clip's narrowest dimension, there's a seam between the front and the back −− that's what i'm trying to pry open, correct?
04:46:59	semitones	did I tell you my wrist is broken too? this is interesting :P
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05:06:12	semitones	yes, got one side open
05:06:22	semitones	knife, then fingernails and screwdriver
05:06:45	semitones	broke the plastic near the microsd slot though
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05:13:12	semitones	finally, it is open
05:14:37	semitones	hmm, looks like i need to unscrew it now, with a jewler's screwdriver
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05:16:34	FloraFauna	Hello?
05:17:39	FloraFauna	Hi, I'm looking for a little support on hardware, can anyone help?
05:18:39	JdGordon	not unless you ask a question
05:20:04	semitones	[Saint]: i took the three small screws out but the circuitboard still seems stuck to the front plate
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05:26:08	semitones	it seems very stuck −− is the lcd screen glued to the frontplate somehow?
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05:33:27	semitones	JdGordon: if i ever get teh front plate off will you help me through the recovery
05:35:26	semitones	oh... there were 4 screws..z..
05:36:05	[Saint]	Google "device name+teardown" :)
05:36:06	semitones	ok i'm looking at the front of the board
05:36:18	semitones	[Saint]: i've been using youtube
05:36:25	semitones	i've got it open!!!
05:37:53	[Saint]	Right, the pins you need to bridge are listed in the wiki. Make sure the device is off, bridge these two pins, and keep them bridged while plugging in USB.
05:38:16	[Saint]	Obviously you need to bridge it with something conductive.
05:38:22	semitones	is a screwdriver ok?
05:38:38	[Saint]	If it reaches, sure.
05:39:50	semitones	ugh my screwdriver is just a little too big
05:40:11	semitones	paperclip?
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05:42:31	semitones	is a paperclip conductive enough
05:43:21	[Saint]	If its made of metal, likely tea.
05:43:31	[Saint]	s/tea/yes/
05:43:53	[Saint]	Weird autocorrect typo ...
05:43:59	semitones	ok well i tried −− held one end of the paperclip against the two pins and plugged it in
05:44:30	[Saint]	And?
05:44:38	semitones	still 32 mb
05:44:55	semitones	maybe i wasn't bridging it well enough
05:45:22	semitones	can I try to bridge it while it's plugged in, or is that a terrible idea
05:45:43	[Saint]	It can take a few attempts. You need to make sure its bridged while it enumerates.
05:45:56	semitones	ok i'll try again
05:46:05	semitones	when it unplugs, is it still powered on
05:46:07	JdGordon	I tihnk i used tape to hold some wire over the pins
05:46:29	semitones	JdGordon: how many other things in the general vicinity are also pins that I have to not bridge
05:46:39	JdGordon	everything
05:46:44	[Saint]	Everything.
05:46:46	semitones	:(
05:46:55	semitones	so those surrounding things
05:47:03	semitones	around those two
05:47:07	[Saint]	You...you removed the battery right?
05:47:13	semitones	...no?
05:47:24	[Saint]	There's a chance you've killed it.
05:47:50	semitones	it's not in the wiki
05:47:54	semitones	it just says make sure it's off
05:48:17	[Saint]	Hum...I was fairly certain that was in the wiki.
05:48:31	[Saint]	Unless what-his-face edited it out.
05:48:55	FloraFauna	Oh, sorry I didn't realize anyone had responded
05:48:58	semitones	the battery looks pretty securly in place
05:49:18	FloraFauna	Is it normal for the HDD in an iPod classic to be easily audible?
05:49:28	JdGordon	yes
05:49:31	[Saint]	Yes
05:49:41	FloraFauna	okay, thanks
05:50:05	semitones	well how do I get the battery off then. i don't have any soldering tools
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05:50:45	[Saint]	You can clip the negative wire, but its pretty short already.
05:51:19	[Saint]	There should be enough there to allow you to strip the ends and splice it back. And insulate it.
05:51:52	[Saint]	Ideally, you'd de/re-solder.
05:52:05	semitones	i don't know how to splice wires either
05:52:20	semitones	i do have some electrical tape though
05:52:33	semitones	red is negative?
05:52:53	[Saint]	You can leave the battery in, and just hope you don't short anything.
05:53:05	[Saint]	Sounds like the best option for you.
05:53:24	semitones	heh that's the kind of compromise I like to hear
05:53:32	semitones	alright, trying again
05:53:56	semitones	and I'll hold the paperclip on it for 5s after I plug it in
05:55:53	semitones	uh oh got one of these: Oct 31 00:55:07 Phixtop-linux kernel: [37191.220125] usb 1-4: device descriptor read/64, error -110
05:56:17	semitones	now I don't see any /dev/sdb
05:56:50	semitones	could have been still on when I plugged it back in
05:57:55	semitones	try #3
05:58:48	semitones	ok it's back. still 32 MB
05:58:56	semitones	try #4
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06:00:42	semitones	still 32mb
06:01:13	semitones	Hm. would it also show a 32mb drive if it was completely broken
06:10:50	semitones	[Saint]: ^
06:11:53	[Saint]	I have absolutely NFI.
06:12:07	[Saint]	...but I would expect not.
06:12:31	semitones	maybe the paperclip is not bridging the capacitor
06:16:13	semitones	JdGordon: eneumeration is the process of the OS recognizing and getting the drive ready?
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06:23:00	semitones	also, original firmware IMAGE, where do I get one?
06:23:06	semitones	i only have the OF file
06:27:34	[Saint]	You get it from a dump of a working player.
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06:28:18	semitones	[Saint]: does it matter that a working player has a 2gb drive
06:28:26	semitones	and this is only 980 some MB
06:29:36	[Saint]	semitones: no. That doesn't matter. But you need a dump of the firmware partition from the working player.
06:29:48	[Saint]	Meaning tiu risk bricking that.
06:29:56	[Saint]	*you risk
06:30:24	semitones	oh no...
06:30:30	semitones	i am not opening the working one
06:30:33	semitones	no way
06:31:23	[Saint]	Using a patched OF file is enough to get Rockbox to boot...this is probably the best case scenario if it turns out the required magic isn't on the firmware partitionanymore.
06:31:33	[Saint]	...which is quite likely.
06:31:57	semitones	is the OF from the sandisk forums patched or vanilla
06:32:41	[Saint]	Afaik sandisk doesn't distribute Rockbox patched binaries ;)
06:33:34	semitones	oh lol, an OF patched by someone from Rockbox, got it
06:33:45	semitones	would anyone be willing to let me download one
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06:35:31	[Saint]	It should probably be in RButil's temp folder still...
06:36:13	[Saint]	If not, patching a firmware file is covered in the manual.
06:36:19	semitones	i'll keep trying to bridge the caps. if i ever get it, i'll just leave it plugged in until I can find RButil and his temp folder
06:37:13	[Saint]	Patching the firmware is covered in the manual installation section of your players manual.
06:39:49	semitones	well, thanks a lot for your help [Saint]
06:40:59	semitones	but I've tried about 12 times to expose the recovery partition, and I don't think it's going to work if I keep trying. I think I might try to give it to someone in my school's LUG if they are up for the challenge
06:48:26	[Saint]	Are we still in a freeze, or did the release get dropped altogether?
06:49:13	[Saint]	kugel: ping?
06:49:38	*	[Saint] wonders about resizing icons on-demand now.
06:50:25	[Saint]	Always sizing the icons to match the userfont height (optionally) would seem a good idea.
06:51:27	[Saint]	Then we eliminate the need for multiple iconsets in the source (for colour targets at least).
06:57:40	[Saint]	Have you figured out yet that I really want to avoid making 12x12, 18x18, 24x24, 30x30, etc. iconsets? :)
06:58:39	JdGordon	resiing on demand is gonna be baad, resizing on load though should be doable
06:59:50	[Saint]	Right...yes. That's what I meant.
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07:34:08	kugelp	resizing isn't going to work with alpha channel bitmaps
07:35:02	kugelp	I voiced that idea a long time ago, however I came to the conclusion that for icons you want the best quality and that's done best on the pc
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07:36:59	kugelp	also a standard size like 24x24 could have better quality and look better than 25x25 which fits to the font
07:37:53	kugelp	(some sizes just scale better depending on the source image)
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07:40:29	kugelp	well perhaps I'm wrong and it works well with alpha. I haven't looked actually
07:46:33	kugelp	just looked. it doesn't work :-(
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07:49:55	[Saint]	Awww...worth a try.
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11:31:16	Pasiasty	hello guys
11:31:28	Pasiasty	could anyone help me with my clip+?
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11:52:06	GodEater_	Pasiasty: it would help if you stated what your actual question is - otherwise no-one knows if they can help or not.
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12:30:32	Pasiasty	GodEater_: You're right, I just wanted someone to react on my post
12:30:45	GodEater_	that's not really how IRC works
12:30:50	Pasiasty	yeah
12:30:54	Pasiasty	i know that
12:30:56	Pasiasty	so
12:31:01	Pasiasty	i've got ATA error -2
12:31:17	Pasiasty	player doens't want to turn on
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12:31:39	Pasiasty	hard reset doesn't work either
12:32:06	Pasiasty	win7 doesn't recognize it
12:33:09	Pasiasty	i've found similar problem on rockbox forums, here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,28833.0.html but i can't register
12:33:24	Pasiasty	i don't know why
12:36:24	GodEater_	have you checked your spam inbox for the registration confirmation email?
12:36:43	GodEater_	(I can't directly help on the issue with your player, as I'm not familiar with it)
12:37:18	GodEater_	but ATA -2 is a pretty fundamental "The storage isn't working properly" message,
12:37:44	Pasiasty	yeah. i've checked the spam folder
12:38:39	Pasiasty	it says like this: An Error Has Occurred!
12:38:39	Pasiasty	You did not answer the verification questions correctly.
12:38:59	Pasiasty	but i retyped the captcha right
12:39:10	wodz	anyone with mrobe100 around?
12:39:38	GodEater_	ah
12:39:50	GodEater_	I seem to recall we've had issues with the captcha for a while
12:39:57	GodEater_	I shall raise your issue with the forum admin ;)
12:40:04	Pasiasty	ok:)
12:40:06	Pasiasty	thx
12:40:44	Pasiasty	maybe then someone could help me one the forum
12:44:08	GodEater_	what sort of storage is in the clip?
12:44:11	GodEater_	is it flash based?
12:45:27	Pasiasty	yeah
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12:50:08	GodEater_	from a very quick look at the code, it seems that a -2 return is either as a result of a failure to reset the storage, or the identity command failing. Either of which would make me think that there's something seriously wrong with your device.
12:50:31	GodEater_	is there a recovery mode or somesuch?
12:50:48	Pasiasty	yes
12:50:58	GodEater_	and does that work?
12:50:59	Pasiasty	but i can't turn the player on
12:51:03	Pasiasty	no
12:51:06	Pasiasty	doesnt work
12:51:16	GodEater_	if you can't turn it on, how do you know you're getting an ATA -2 ?
12:51:37	Pasiasty	because it turned on few times
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12:51:59	Pasiasty	on 5 times when i want to turn it on only one is succesful
12:52:20	Pasiasty	so
12:52:29	Pasiasty	it isn't dead yet
12:52:29	GodEater_	that sounds a lot like the hardware is actually broken in someway
12:52:35	Pasiasty	bou i can't predcit it
12:52:47	Pasiasty	i've opened it
12:52:59	Pasiasty	someone told me that it could be the battery issue
12:53:07	Pasiasty	but everything looks ok
12:53:41	GodEater_	you'll have to wait for someone who actually knows about the clip+ to chip in then - sorry
12:54:14	Pasiasty	ok
12:54:30	Pasiasty	thaks afer all
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13:45:51	mc2739	dfkt: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-1bdabc81.html
13:52:25	JdGordon	so whats the story with the freeze/release?
13:52:54	dfkt	mc2739, thank you very much!
13:53:35	mc2739	dfkt: you're welcome
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14:07:45	wodz	JdGordon: Is button release event designed to be set specifically in button.c? Can I move this to lowlevel driver for scrollwheel?
14:09:41	JdGordon	I don't know that area well enough, button.c makes it happen magically, if scrollwheels need extra handling then wherever it works is good
14:12:05	wodz	as of now scrollwheel doesn't generate _REL event and there are some hacks in action.c to cope with this anomaly
14:12:57	JdGordon	can button_read_device() handle it?
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14:16:39	wodz	JdGordon: I have an idea to set last time event was posted by scrollwheel to button_queue. If it is longer than some timeout emit associated _REL. I don't know yet how good will it work.
14:17:23	wodz	so this could be handled by button_read_device() for scrollwheel
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14:35:08	wodz	ukleinek: any progress with odys mp x66 neo nand bootloader dump?
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14:41:43	pixelma	http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=30862 looks wrong to me but I don't have time to look for the correct fix
14:45:24	pixelma	the diff looks like it adds the option (to be used with \opt or \nopt) for the Clip+ and not remove it, the ones in the platform files are only meant as addition to what isn't or can't be in features.txt
14:47:16	pixelma	maybe it doesn't even do anything as the option isn't called HAVE_* in the manual
14:49:11	gevaerts	pixelma: system_options.tex does say \opt{HAVE_BUTTON_LIGHTS}
14:49:25	pixelma	hmm
14:49:39	gevaerts	And as far as I can see, that diff removes the HAVE_BUTTON_LIGHTS define
14:50:02	pixelma	I read the diff the wrong way around o_O
14:50:33	*	gevaerts holds pixelma upside down to fix this :)
14:50:34	pixelma	still thought it would be done using the teatures.txt features
14:50:46	pixelma	features.txt too
14:51:26	gevaerts	Yes, it's weird that some options use HAVE_*
14:51:54	gevaerts	And especially weird that they're hand-defined
14:52:06	pixelma	ok, looks like system_options.tex needs to be fixed (and maybe some other places)
14:52:51	*	pixelma is reminded of the target rename options rename that still isn't finished in the manual ...
14:53:54	pixelma	another of those "look, something easy to fix -> finding more and more places needing to fix"
14:53:56	*	gevaerts now feels bad for pointing out that the HAVE_BUTTON_LIGHTS stuff was added in r15972 by pixelma
14:54:32	pixelma	well, I guess the features.txt -> features.tex way didn't exist by then
14:55:25	gevaerts	ah, indeed
14:55:41	gevaerts	That was added about 300 revisions later
14:57:12	JdGordon	wodz: in action.c around line 216 there is a hack to check the last button != scrollwheel... could that just be the bug and it needs to set last_button = ACTION_NONE for wheel events there in addition to the if() that is there already?
14:58:55	JdGordon	pixelma: can you commit http://pastebin.com/gLVii8G0 ? the playlist catalog config file setting got incorrectly changed at some point
14:58:57	kugel	I suspect there could be one platform.txt that would be preprocessed?
14:59:05	JdGordon	(or anyone really)
14:59:29	kugel	s/txt/tex/
14:59:54	gevaerts	kugel: I'm not sure that's actually needed. Let's finish the move to features.tex first and then see what's left
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15:00:04	JdGordon	r30272 (AlexP) is to blame for that :)
15:00:52	kugel	gevaerts: right, feature.tex is implementing that actually
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19:39:25	bertrik	Did I break something with my commit to remove HAVE_BUTTON_LIGHTS from the clip+ manual?
19:40:20	gevaerts	bertrik: I don't think so. We just were reminded that the manual needs some more work in general
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19:57:22	bertrik	pamaury, is the fuze+ set up to receive an interrupt when an RDS packet is received?
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20:03:53	AlexP_mob	Don't forget the breast!
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20:17:30	lorenzo92	hi guys...a quick question. Is it possible to implement keylock in menus too (not only wps)?
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20:19:51	lorenzo92	because I sucessfully implemented it in wps, but mapping the same action in the menu (fileman, and so on) has no effect at all
20:23:23	AlexP_mob	Are you doing soft lock? As key lock normally works everywhere
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20:26:41	lorenzo92	soft lock
20:29:31	lorenzo92	soft lock, I mean I binded power button (as in OF) to lock/unlock screen. No sliders or such
20:31:53	dfkt	bertrik, i updated my zip theme, if you're interested - http://www.mediafire.com/?pw4v1c5e9dcwzs7 - and i would be interested if you get garbled images after a while too (at first all is fine, then either the battery icon or the memory access icon become messed up)
20:35:24	lorenzo92	so with soft lock it is supposed to work only on wps right?
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20:47:29	bertrik	dfkt, I haven't noticed any garbled stuff so far, I'll try with your WPS
20:48:33	bertrik	maybe I don't understand the RGB565SWAPPED mode completely
20:49:12	bertrik	I can make album art work with non-swapped mode, but then bitmaps (like the rockbox logo) and icons are messed up
20:52:17	amiconn	Do 'make clean' when changing bitmap mode
20:52:39	amiconn	Oh, it may also be that you have to change the parameters for bmp2rb in configure
20:52:59	bertrik	ok, I think I want the latter
20:53:13	bertrik	I guess swapped mode is more complicated/slower on target
20:54:19	amiconn	Swapped mode is for the colour PP ipods (except the video), which have their 16 bit interface byteswapped
20:54:47	amiconn	Drawing pecalculated stuff in this mode is neither faster nor slower than in ordinary rgb565
20:56:23	amiconn	rgb565 needs bmp2rb -f 4, rgb565swapped has bmp2rb -f 5
20:56:41	bertrik	argh, configure is already using swapped bmp2rb, so I just need to use unswapped mode I think :)
20:57:49	bertrik	(I copied some fuze v2 stuff
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21:04:52	bertrik	oh nice, everything looks fine again, with having to swap anything
21:07:11	bertrik	BTW, I think the clip zip can be moved from unusable to unstable
21:07:34	bertrik	And I don't see a problem with adding it to the build system too
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21:10:33	gevaerts	I'd say go ahead!
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21:17:08	CIA-75	New commit by bertrik (r30873): Sansa clip zip: attempt to fix the pixel format swappedness for good
21:17:40	bertrik	gevaerts, how do I do that?
21:18:53	CIA-75	r30873 build result: All green
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21:20:20	bertrik	hm, I haven't tested the wps build yet to be honest
21:21:00	bertrik	ok, checkwps build is clean
21:21:45	bertrik	sim and boot builds are warning-clean too I think
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21:26:19	CIA-75	New commit by gevaerts (r30874): Add Clip Zip build
21:26:55	*	gevaerts hopes he didn't make too many mistakes
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21:35:12	CIA-75	New commit by gevaerts (r30875): Add Clip Zip as unstable
21:36:51	CIA-75	r30875 build result: All green
21:37:48	bertrik	\o/
21:38:41	bertrik	gevaerts, thanks
21:38:56	CIA-75	New commit by gevaerts (r30876): Add Clip Zip to unstable ports on the front page
21:39:15	gevaerts	Bagder: could you give the front page a nudge?
21:39:30	*	Bagder wakes up
21:40:38	Bagder	done!
21:40:55	gevaerts	Thanks!
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22:19:13	saratoga	the clip zip is both unstable and unusable on the front page
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22:30:16	wodz	gevaerts: Do I recall correctly you have mrobe100?
22:30:49	gevaerts	yes
22:32:38	CIA-75	New commit by gevaerts (r30877): There can be only one Clip Zip
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22:36:36	wodz	gevaerts: I am tracking some bug in hd300. Basically a few people reported distorted sound output. As mrobe100 uses the same codec driver it would be great to exclude the error there.
22:37:41	wodz	The best would be to play the same file (the problem is more pronounced in low freqs) and compare to other target with similar codec (some ipod for example).
22:38:06	gevaerts	hm, I tend to be rather bad at hearing that sort of thing...
22:38:36	saratoga	use RMAA
22:38:43	wodz	gevaerts: It is hard for me to hear on its own but comparing to nano2g the difference is obvious
22:38:45	saratoga	it'll give you a plot of distortion verses frequency
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22:41:07	dfkt	is there some specific bitmap mode one should use for images on the clip zip? x1r5g5b5? r8g8b8?
22:41:25	gevaerts	wodz: will any ipod do for comparing?
22:41:51	gevaerts	I have a mini 2g and a video
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22:42:34	funman	dfkt: which models display r8g8b8 ?
22:43:12	dfkt	i don't know, just asking if there is a correct one, cause i still get garbled images on the zip
22:43:13	saratoga	i think we don't do rgb888 on anything
22:43:19	dfkt	been using x1r5g5b5 so far
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22:43:59	funman	it looks like the image format is strange enough to have confused bertrik
22:44:10	dfkt	even get garbled stuff with 1bit bmps
22:44:51	wodz	gevaerts: ipods use various wolfson codecs and the codec of question is wm8750/51 so guess any will do
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22:45:45	bertrik	funman, I got confused because I accidentally used swapped rgb565 mode for the rockbox logo
22:46:14	dfkt	bertrik, album art jpegs look noticeably better with the new revision
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22:47:34	gevaerts	saratoga: rmaa looks like it's windows only. Is there some way for us poor linux users to do this?
22:48:04	saratoga	i have no idea, maybe try wine?
22:49:26	gevaerts	sounds like a plan
22:49:33	*	gevaerts now looks for a quick tutorial
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22:55:02	wodz	gevaerts: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=12430
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23:07:10	wodz	dfkt: Is there 'start up' tutorial how to do RMAA test on portable player?
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23:08:51	bertrik	I guess you'll need a sound card that's at least better than the dap
23:12:02	dfkt	i don#t know of any tutorial, but it's simple - create calibration and test signal with the disk button at the bottom
23:12:34	dfkt	put those on the player, hit the "recording only" button in rmaa, calibrate to about -1db and record
23:13:45	dfkt	(make sure that "adjust.." above record is checked)
23:14:10	saratoga	rmaa basically just plays some test signals (superimposed sin waves and such) and then measures things like distortion and noise
23:14:28	dfkt	it might be helpful to open the calibration wav in an audio editor and loop it a few times, since it's rather short
23:14:29	saratoga	so you basically just have to play that signal into a line in jack on a sound card and it'll tell you what the errors were
23:14:37	wodz	dfkt: thanks thats exactly what I was looking for
23:14:38	saratoga	yeah that or set it to repeat in rockbox
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23:14:52	dfkt	true, that's easier :)
23:15:09	saratoga	make sure you use 44.1khz in rockbox by the way
23:15:19	saratoga	err a 44.1khz test file with rockbox i mean
23:15:52	wodz	I guess I need at least mid class sound card to not get meaningless results
23:16:06	gevaerts	I assume the first device near the top is playback and the second is record?
23:16:34	JdGordon	wodz: hey, did you get anywhere with the scrollwheel?
23:17:12	saratoga	wodz: a half way good sound card is probably needed for the SNR measurements, but distortion and frequency response tests are probably ok on just about anything
23:17:40	saratoga	if theres some audiable effect here it will probably be huge compared to a normal on board sound card
23:18:42	wodz	JdGordon: nop. But I don't understand your statement about action.c line 216
23:19:04	wodz	saratoga: ah good
23:20:10	JdGordon	wodz: http://pastebin.com/m7f4VwKx that second if will never be true after a whell event right?
23:21:06	gevaerts	saratoga: the "adjusting levels" thing is with the calibration file?
23:21:34	dfkt	yes, you adjust the level to -1db with the beep calibration
23:21:37	saratoga	yeah, it just makes sure that you're somewhere near line level output
23:22:06	saratoga	and that you've set the line in gain and such in windows to something other then mute
23:22:26	gevaerts	hm, that's all over the place here apparently
23:22:35	dfkt	saratoga, i saw frequency response on cheaper soundcards to be somewhat wavy, not flat - but you should see bass or treble roll-off at least
23:22:55	saratoga	probably due to resampling if it wasn't at 48k
23:23:09	dfkt	ah yes, the classic creative shtick
23:23:24	saratoga	yeah pretty much everything resamples to 48khz on windows
23:24:46	wodz	JdGordon: yes you are right and this was introduced to workaround the problem with wheel after screen change
23:26:29	JdGordon	wodz: so, what about changing that to "if the last button was a wheel, and this button isnt, then set last_button and last_action to BUTTON_*, and (possibly) skin the return line to get_action_worker() runs normally"
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23:37:11	gevaerts	Is the calibration signal supposed to only beep every 10 seconds or so?
23:39:01	dfkt	gevaerts, i made a looped version with less pauses in between - http://temp.elektrokrishna.com/index.php?dir=&file=Calibration%20signal.zip
23:44:04	gevaerts	grrr
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