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00:01:20	rarog	looks like a magic book for me. :D
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00:18:44	amiconn	Any shell script expert around?
00:19:25	amiconn	Using configure −−ttsopts (or any other argument) with a quoted value doesn't work properly
00:20:25	amiconn	E.g. configure −−ttsopts="/voice:Audrey16 /speed:2" −−tts=s gets the quotes stripped when assigning $@ to cmdline
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00:21:12	rarog	did you try to escape the quotes with a backslash?
00:21:20	amiconn	The option is interpreted and then added a second time in quoted form so the voice generation actually uses it, but this behaviour a) causes a stray error message when building and b) breaks 'make reconf' due to this error
00:22:22	amiconn	That causes an immediate error in configure
00:22:54	amiconn	Also it shouldn't be necessary because $@ is supposed to retain quoted arguments, but obviously the interpolation strips them
00:23:44	amiconn	This is nasty because you can't even loop and readd them, because it would result in "−−ttsopts=/voice:Audrey16 /speed:2" which is obviously wrong
00:24:01	amiconn	(opening quote moved)
00:25:13	JdGordon	amiconn: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=29203.new;topicseen#new
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00:36:51	gevaerts	amiconn: I think the option parsing should be entirely rewritten...
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00:44:53	saratoga	bertrik: 40mhz P and F clock actually gets worse runtime then 240 FCLK and 24 PCLK
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00:45:03	saratoga	while 240FCLK and 40PCLK gets much worse
00:45:15	saratoga	so apparently PCLK uses a lot of power if you increase it even a small amount
00:45:36	saratoga	i wonder if we're inadvertantly running some peripherals much higher then they need to be when the PCLK is increased
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00:53:37	CIA-22	New commit by mc2739 (r30928): FS #12365 - Czech language update by Marek Salaba
00:55:29	CIA-22	r30928 build result: All green
00:57:09	CIA-22	New commit by mc2739 (r30929): FS #12365 - Czech language update by Marek Salaba
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01:25:28	saratoga	funman: is the DBOP used for display output on all AMS sansas or only some?
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01:42:13	saratoga	huh, any reason the internal ROM is powered up? AFAIK we don't use that
01:46:43	saratoga	and also the "memory built in self test" circuit
01:49:05	Falco98	what target are you talking about? out of curiosity
01:50:46	funman	saratoga: not the clip+ at least
01:51:06	funman	it uses SSP afaik (like the clip zip)
01:51:32	funman	i might (or not) have tested disabling internal ROM in the past but i don't remember the results
01:51:43	funman	what is memory built in self test?
01:52:06	saratoga	funman: i think its a piece of debug hardware used to validate the SOC's memory
01:52:26	saratoga	datasheet only mentions it as "memory bist manager clock enable"
01:53:24	funman	ah it rinsg a bell
01:53:44	saratoga	on my clip+ CPU_PERI gives 0x0F910580
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01:58:54	saratoga	huh switching off the BIST worked fine, but the ROM didn't disable
01:59:01	saratoga	i wonder if we turn it on somewhere
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02:02:05	funman	saratoga: which bit is it?
02:05:55	saratoga	funman: CGU_PERI &= ~(1<<24);
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02:14:51	Falco98	anyone have any info on the status of the android app fork? on my original droid i thought i had a useable port, but now that i have a thunderbolt and installed the build i was recommended on the forum, it basically won't work at all (other than to launch)
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02:15:14	JdGordon	what doesnt work about it?
02:15:23	saratoga	Falco98: Clip/Fuze
02:15:45	Falco98	saratoga: thx
02:16:24	saratoga	hmm lcd_enable_power is just a void function, instead i wonder if we could cut the clock to the SSP when its not in use
02:16:33	Falco98	JdGordon: um.. audio wouldn't play back. like at all. it's been a few weeks since i tried, i can review if you want. also if you think there are more recent builds i should try first, i will if you remind me where to look for them.
02:16:37	funman	saratoga: i dont think we enable the ROM anywhere
02:16:51	funman	saratoga: there is/was a patch for disabling lcd on clips
02:17:22	JdGordon	Falco98: I have no idea what build someone suggested you... rasher.dk.rockbox">http://rasher.dk.rockbox is where the most "official" build is
02:17:30	JdGordon	rasher.dk/rockbox">http://rasher.dk/rockbox
02:17:38	Falco98	i believe that's what i have loaded.
02:18:43	Falco98	ok i get audio playback... but if i pause, the program instantly dumps (seemingly) - at least, it kicks me out
02:22:59	Falco98	at least, it un-focuses the app, effectively kicking me out, but i get the "in progress" notification in the drop-down bar shortly after... but re-entering thru this automatically un-pauses too.
02:23:35	Falco98	it may just be that the UI is doing things I'm not understanding and not expecting, but it comes off as being buggy.
02:23:59	saratoga	funman: sorry i'm mistaken, it was the BIST, and it appears that it cannot be disabled
02:24:13	saratoga	the bit returns 1 even immediately after I've set it to 0
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02:34:30	Falco98	hmm... so when i'm playing a track (android build) and i do a "skip forward", it crossfades but starts the same track over again, even when i have valid different tracks next in the playlist.
02:37:52	Falco98	screw it.. the version i'm using is from 9-24, gonna install the latest one before any further t/s
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02:42:52	Falco98	oh, duh, it was set on "repeat one" for some stupid reason -_-
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03:07:27	CIA-22	New commit by saratoga (r30930): Disable the clock the built in AS3525(v2) bootrom. This is only useful for reverse engineering purposes, so disable during normal operation in case ...
03:07:47	saratoga	welp left out a "for" in that commit message
03:09:15	CIA-22	r30930 build result: All green
03:09:47	funman	git commit −−amend;git push −−force
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03:40:18	Falco98	gah.. i can't figure out where the rockbox o/s files sit when installed in android... i have no idea where to put additional theme files
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03:43:07	funman	.rockbox folder of sd card?
03:45:42	Falco98	hmm
03:46:46	Falco98	i actually don't see a .rockbox folder - just "rockbox", which until just-now didn't have much in it
03:47:30	Falco98	i'm checking settings to see whether there might be a "." folder being hidden from me, but i thought astro file manager showed everything
03:54:10	Falco98	i copied the theme files to the "rockbox" folder and it seems to let me pick that theme now. still a little confused, it seems to now preclude the selection of the themes that formerly appeared by default.
03:54:49	JdGordon	yes, raaa does wierd stuff with the .rockbox folders
03:55:14	Falco98	also any use of the "screen on" button, either to manually turn off the screen, or to wake it from an auto-shutoff, destroys audio playback until i force close the rockbox app and restart. i can try to pause and resume playback or various other things, but nothing plays until i completely re-open.
03:55:17	JdGordon	if /sdcard/rockbox/<foo>/ exists it doesnt bother looking at /data/data/org.rockbox/.rockbox/<foo>/
03:55:26	Falco98	ahh ok
03:55:37	Falco98	yeah i'm not an expert at the android native filesystem yet
03:56:31	Falco98	would it feel more like the regular (dap) filesystem if i had android move the app to the SDcard altogether?
03:57:00	Falco98	i.e. all files are contained in the "rockbox" (or ".rockbox" folder?
03:58:07	JdGordon	no
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04:01:55	Falco98	k
04:02:07	Falco98	any comments on the playback issue i described above? or is it a known bug?
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04:09:53	Falco98	saint, you around?
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05:06:45	[Saint]	Falco98: Yep/
05:06:58	[Saint]	-/
05:07:06	Falco98	cool
05:07:12	Falco98	let me see if i can remember my question :-P
05:07:43	Falco98	i just found your android theme tonight, followed the thread all the way back to your old custom build
05:08:10	Falco98	would i be correct in assuming that there is currently no (modern) way to get an "exit button" in the menu like your custom build used to have?
05:08:47	[Saint]	Not without editing/re-compiling.
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05:09:21	Falco98	gotcha, just wanted to make sure
05:09:31	Falco98	now a comment regarding your current theme:
05:09:57	[Saint]	By "current", you mean the one on the tracker?
05:09:59	Falco98	would it be possible to, when a user touches the volume icon and the pop-up pops up, to have a second press of the icon make the pop-up go away?
05:10:05	Falco98	um, yes, that :)
05:10:17	Falco98	(maybe i shoulda said "most recent")
05:10:22	Falco98	(that is the one i'm running)
05:11:24	[Saint]	That should be possible. I'd need to make a dedicated "exit button" in it though. As otherwise you'd close it every time you tried to change the volume.
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05:12:03	[Saint]	that's actually on my ToDo list. I've just not had very much time for theme stuff lately.
05:12:06	Falco98	gotcha. i'm not familiar enough with the way the WPS works i guess, i figured it could change states after the first press such that the second press makes it go away
05:12:55	Falco98	cool - no biggie, just wanted to put it out there. the rasher build is not currently otherwise stable enough for any real usefulness to me... on the thunderbolt, anyway, there is a severe playback error when the screen poweron/poweroff button is used a few times
05:13:16	[Saint]	Yeah, that would be the more desirable approach. With both popups, they're just on a timer and go dead after a few seconds. With the exception of the volume pop-up that will stay open as long as you're fiddling with the volume still.
05:13:35	Falco98	i.e. after turning the screen back on once or twice after a manual or automatic shutoff, playback fails and refuses to do anything until the app is exited and restarted fresh
05:14:07	[Saint]	Hummm...that's a nice one. I'm not sure I've heard of that before now.
05:14:18	[Saint]	I can't seem to reproduce it here.
05:14:31	Falco98	maybe you could make it such that a "volume control exit" button pops up over the original button only when the slider is open? not sure if it can work that way though.
05:14:40	Falco98	what hardware are you running it on?
05:15:09	[Saint]	Samsung Galaxy 5, and Motorolla Defy.
05:15:58	Falco98	gotcha. i'm worried that this will be some pestersome hardware-specific thing. i wish there were a more reliable way to exit the app - at the moment i have to just set "idle poweroff" to 1 minute, pause and hit "home"... then wait
05:17:05	[Saint]	Why do you need to exit it..out of curiousity? When its pushed to the background and there's no playback it shouldn't be bothering anything.
05:17:37	Falco98	at the moment, exiting completely is the only way to get playback back... like as i test and troubleshoot etc.
05:17:53	[Saint]	Oh...right. Gotcha.
05:18:08	Falco98	and during normal use, without a hard-exit, i always feel as if it's lingering in the background somewhere :-P
05:18:25	[Saint]	It is.
05:18:34	[Saint]	This is the way Android works ;)
05:18:43	Falco98	for me, if i leave it playing, turn the screen off manually and back on, off and back on, playback fails on the second [turn-back-on].
05:18:47	Falco98	yeah, heh.
05:19:20	[Saint]	lock the screen == turn the screen off, I preseme?
05:19:41	[Saint]	*lock the handset
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05:19:47	Falco98	yeah
05:20:00	[Saint]	Hmmm. Yeah. I can't reproduce this.
05:20:11	Falco98	the TB has a dedicated button that (afaik) does nothing else.
05:20:20	Falco98	on the Eris it was the "end call" button that did the same thing.
05:21:13	Falco98	(i might try it on my wife's X at some point if i can)
05:22:06	[Saint]	Hmmm, make a note of this in the forum. It certainly can't hurt. One of the problems with RaaA is that it has to attempt to run on every eclair-to-gingerbread based ROM, possibly "home baked", and on a few hundred different hardware types ;)
05:23:01	[Saint]	if Android handsets were like the iPhone, with a few known examples of hardware...then things would be a lot easier.
05:23:15	[Saint]	...but then Android would probably be crap :P
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05:28:04	[Saint]	Falco98: If you feel like getting creative, here's the shutdown-in-main-menu patch: http://pastebin.com/0dTBEnd4
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05:29:20	JdGordon	hmm, should I add shutdown as a option to the shortcuts plugin?
05:29:28	JdGordon	(which looks like wont be contentious!)
05:29:30	Falco98	cool thanks. i might attempt to compile at some point but i'm not sure i'm up for it quite yet.
05:29:59	Falco98	JdGordon: are you referring to all targets?
05:30:04	JdGordon	yes
05:30:17	Falco98	then again i wouldn't object to a soft shutdown option even on my ipod 5.5
05:30:38	[Saint]	JdGordon: Yep.
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05:31:24	Falco98	the ipod is easy enough to let go via idle-timeout but there are times when i don't feel like holding the "pause" button for 10 minutes to invoke hard shutdown :-P
05:31:41	Falco98	(i really mean 5 seconds but you get my drift)
05:31:52	[Saint]	When's that shortcuts plugin going in...btw JdGordon? We've branched no, aren't your commit fingers itchy? :P
05:32:10	JdGordon	its in the queue
05:32:20	JdGordon	currently rejigging the skin engine is my priority
05:32:31	[Saint]	Ah, right.
05:32:55	Falco98	what's the shortcuts plugin btw?
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05:33:06	Falco98	sorry i tend to get out-of-the-loop around here
05:33:09	JdGordon	shortcuts works good enough for me but I tinhk it has some minor bugs still to fix before commit
05:33:34	Falco98	at first i thought you were referring to the wps quick-menu
05:33:39	JdGordon	Falco98: its a replacement for the current shortcuts plugin which puts a menu option and much more choice over what the shortcut can actually do
05:34:10	Falco98	puts a menu option where?
05:34:17	JdGordon	in the main menu
05:35:06	Falco98	so what, it lets you add a shortcut to a buried menu item right in the main menu? or it adds a "shortcuts" menu item at the top, to add whatever the user wants?
05:35:14	Falco98	or am i still way-off-base
05:35:30	JdGordon	it lets you add a shortcut to any setting or file or folder
05:35:40	JdGordon	as well as ome other stuff
05:35:46	JdGordon	it is... freeking awesome :p
05:35:58	Falco98	nice'
05:36:12	JdGordon	jdgordon/rockbox/tree/menushortcuts">https://github.com/jdgordon/rockbox/tree/menushortcuts
05:37:37	Falco98	cool
05:37:45	Falco98	should i be looking at anything specific there?
05:37:50	JdGordon	its on the tracker also but not up to date
05:39:24	Falco98	k
05:40:12	JdGordon	FS #12251
05:40:13	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12251 user shortcuts in the main menu (patches, new)
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07:44:07	JdGordon	Buschel: the 3 lines in the log was the whole discussion on whell boost :p
07:46:00	Buschel	:) well, then we should add some more
07:48:21	Buschel	e.g. I would like to name the define more generic (HAVE_GUI_BOOST) to not limit it to wheel targets. the gui boost code itself could then be adapted to also work with button targets (for scroll actions in the same contexts as defined for scroll wheel targets)
07:48:58	Buschel	then let the devs/owners of the different targets decide whether to activate this or not
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07:49:19	Buschel	for iPods this would be pretty clear ;)
07:49:19	JdGordon	yeah maybe
07:52:24	Llorean	I wonder if it'd be beneficial to D2 (do we do boosting on D2?) to make sure kinetic scrolling tends to be smooth?
07:53:08	Buschel	Llorean: just try to boost the CPU via the engineering menu and give it a try
07:53:36	Buschel	even the (fast) nano2G benefits from boosting
07:53:47	Llorean	I'm hundreds of miles from my D2 right now. :-P
07:54:14	Llorean	But I more just meant it as a sort of target that could probably benefit from it that's not a wheel target.
07:54:14	Buschel	well, that's a problem :)
07:54:46	Buschel	yep, we should really not limit this to scroll wheel targets...
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08:41:39	Misanthropos	hi - i noticed development for the sansa clip+ usb support has somehow stopped
08:42:35	Misanthropos	i don't mind if I have to boot the sansa firmware to place/remove files
08:43:06	Misanthropos	but the database update of the sansa firmware i'd like to circumvent
08:43:34	Misanthropos	is there a patch maybe to stop that behaviour?
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09:02:01	Misanthropos	bertrik, good to see you :D
09:02:20	Misanthropos	have you given up the usb support for the clip+?
09:03:14	bertrik	I'm not currently working on that
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09:27:24	Misanthropos	a question about replaygain: should i mp3gain my files on the rockbox or does rockbox make an analysis of the files before playing them?
09:28:42	caramou	Misanthropos: the file should contain replaygain info before playing
09:29:33	Misanthropos	thx
09:30:12	Llorean	mp3gain isn't necessarily the same thing. It by default changes the files.
09:30:40	Llorean	Make sure it's set to just change the tags.
09:33:57	kugel	Llorean: it either changes the files, or writes ape tags
09:34:00	GodEater_	yeah, mp3gain can alter the actual audio information in the file - replaygain should only write metadata.
09:34:04	kugel	rockbox doesnt read ape tags
09:34:38	Llorean	I thought it could do id3 tags.
09:34:46	Llorean	I just knew mp3gain had caused issues in the past though.
09:35:07	Misanthropos	it does. if id tag is missing it adds one and stores the gain in field in that tag
09:35:40	Misanthropos	i don't know if it causes issues
09:35:43	Misanthropos	i will try :D
09:36:48	Misanthropos	in any case: you can disable replaygain and the file should play as usual, correct?
09:37:02	Llorean	Not if mp3gain has modified it, which is the default mode.
09:38:17	GodEater_	Shouldn't we just say "don't use mp3gain, use replaygain instead" ? :)
09:38:24	Llorean	Probably
09:39:43	Misanthropos	Llorean, if you disable replaygain in the rockbox it should just ignore that value, or not?
09:40:08	GodEater_	it definitely ignores it
09:40:13	Misanthropos	ok
09:40:26	Llorean	Misanthropos: Rockbox ignored replaygain tags. mp3gain by default doesn't just create the tags, it also modifies the gain of each sample
09:40:28	Llorean	Rockbox can't ignore that.
09:41:24	Misanthropos	GodEater, eat Llorean :D
09:42:17	Misanthropos	Llorean, as far as I understand, its just a value for db adjust - it should be easily ignored
09:42:48	Llorean	THat's replaygain
09:43:06	Llorean	mp3gain is designed to modify mp3 files using replaygain's algorithms in a way that those mp3 files are normalized even on non-replaygain supporting playback software.
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09:43:22	Llorean	It does this by adjusting samples, but this feature can be disabled so that it only uses tags (the "proper" way that can be ignored)
09:43:23	Misanthropos	ups
09:43:31	Misanthropos	now i begin to understand
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09:48:31	Misanthropos	damn - there seems to be no easy solution to replaygain files in linux
09:48:51	crwl	not for mp3 I think (vorbis and flac yes)
09:49:14	crwl	at least last I checked the command line mp3gain available for linux couldn't write tags, at least ones rockbox would understand
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09:54:56	kugel	crwl: as I said, rockbox doesn't read APE tags which mp3gain writes
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10:20:55	gevaerts	recentish mp3gain works fine as long as you tell it to use id3
10:24:30	gevaerts	jhMikeS: the e200v1 has 32MB
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10:32:12	gevaerts	oh, v2...
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10:39:21	Misanthropos	gevaerts, thats what i meant by -s i
10:39:57	Misanthropos	but can rockbox read v2?
10:40:02	Misanthropos	or just v1 tags
10:40:47	gevaerts	v2 is fine
10:41:58	gevaerts	And yes, as long as you use -s i, mp3gain should be fine
10:46:08	kugel	JdGordon: not exactly a fake delta. ram usage is 1/4 since the default iconset is 12x12
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12:45:12	JdGordon	OK, I have a serious dilema here... I'm almost finished the skin buffer change but i have no real way of making sure its 100% correct without just pushing it and hoping...
12:45:34	JdGordon	so how long do i bother waiting for people to help test out of tree?
12:46:13	Torne	is it currently just a patch on FS?
12:47:38	Torne	I'd suggest making some test builds for popular players and posting them on the forum to invite skinner type people to try them with all their skins
12:47:51	Torne	i think that's more likely to get you test feedback than just a patch
12:47:53	JdGordon	it will be before i goto bed tonight
12:48:04	JdGordon	going from past experience that isnt likely
12:48:16	Torne	really?
12:48:29	Torne	when i'v eposted ipod test builds for power/etc stuff before I've had 15+ people test them
12:48:31	kugel	test builds usually help, no?
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12:49:08	kugel	JdGordon: what about the ml discussion?
12:49:33	JdGordon	I've done enough of the code that its time to start testing...
12:49:51	JdGordon	I havnt thought about the ml discussion just yet (and will work something out before it goes forward)
12:50:05	JdGordon	just that it really does need testing and the sooner the better
12:50:35	Torne	It doesn't take that long to make, say, 6 test builds for players we know lots of people use (ipodvideo, fuze, h300, etc)
12:50:55	JdGordon	sure, but it will take hours to upload on m horrible connection :(
12:50:57	Torne	i think it's worth it
12:51:00	JdGordon	but yeah, ok I'll do that
12:51:21	kugel	JdGordon: heh, you didn't actually wait with getiing too far in before making sure the macros are acceptable
12:51:51	kugel	which was the point of the mail
12:51:55	JdGordon	err... look at my git commits, i was 8 hurs into the work before any reply
12:52:28	kugel	did you expect instant answer?
12:52:45	JdGordon	macros are easy to change later
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12:58:18	*	Torne agrees that it's easy to change that kind of thing later
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13:13:57	kugel	we didnt have a call for translators :()
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13:17:26	JdGordon	plenty of time for that
13:19:20	kugel	should it also be send to rockbox users perhaps, or to the forums?
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13:20:32	Zagor	kugel: users+forums is a good idea. translation is a perfect thing to lure new contributtors.
13:21:18	*	kugel isnt subscribed to -users, and doesnt want to be ;()
13:21:49	kugel	;)*
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15:36:27	webguest54	anyone know if I patch the clip zip usb will it work like the other amsv2 usb ?
15:36:41	funman	webguest54: you can tell us if it works
15:37:36	webguest54	got my clip zip today and am tempted
15:38:39	webguest54	do I just uncomment usb handled by rockbox and comment out us handled by of in config/sansaclipzip.h ?
15:38:54	webguest54	s/us/usb
15:39:18	funman	i think it should be enough yes
15:40:51	webguest54	cool thanks
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16:37:47	rarog	paumary: hey, currently I'm jumping through the documentation of the 2nd display and am making comments, what sense all the commands do
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16:56:10	rarog	paumary: when I'm done, I'll upload the diff, so perhaps we can make some sence from all the instructions.
16:56:20	rarog	s/sence/sense
16:57:46	rarog	*pamaury
16:58:02	rarog	I'm too tired to type correctly -.-
16:58:38	pamaury	I'm not convinced that making sense of them is interesting, if there are the same as the OF, the problem is somewhere else and I must disassembled it more carefully to find out, something like bus width or missing pin config, don't know yet
16:58:45	pamaury	*they
16:59:36	rarog	so you think, all the registers and data are correctly written in the source code? I hoped to find some illogic instructions
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17:01:22	pamaury	since I've now checked it two times, the probability that it is wrong is rather small (though nonzero) and since the OF code works...
17:01:40	pamaury	but I encourage you to try, even check is a step forward
17:01:44	pamaury	*every
17:05:38	rarog	yes. the OF either has some unneeded bits in commands or uses some undocumented features, though I think it is the first case. In once place a bit was set which doesn't seem to have any meaning. but as it still works, this shouldn't be the problem. probably it's just ignored
17:06:46	pamaury	it might be that the doc we have doesn't match the actual hardware too
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17:07:36	rarog	yes. I'm looking into ILI9325.pdf which you probably have, too.
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17:36:31	rarog	pamaury: indeed I think that OF does something wrong in the init, _lcd_write_reg(7, 0x173) should be _lcd_write_reg(7, 0x133) like in the enableing sequence, but I doubt that this is a solution to our problem. :D
17:39:16	rarog	and I wonder what _lcd_write_reg(0xe5, 0x78f0) and the following 4 instructions are doing, those registers aren't documented at all
17:40:26	rarog	and lpc1343codebase doesn't have any example instructions with those.
17:40:48	kugel	bluebrother: the clef icon has no border :(
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17:43:27	kugel	looks rather big in the iconset
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18:01:22	Lars_G	Hi all.
18:01:30	Lars_G	Is the developer for the sansa port here by any chance
18:01:32	Lars_G	?
18:02:24	pamaury	Lars_G: sansa port is a bit vague, which sansa ?
18:03:00	pamaury	rarog: ok thanks, I'll check this instruction against the OF to see
18:04:37	rarog	pamaury: ok, I'll be online in some hours again, then I'll see, if you have some results and/or try some modifications
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19:53:26	Lars_G	pamaury: Any idea if the e200 dev is around?
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19:57:57	saratoga	Lars_G: still a bit vague, which e200 port?
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19:58:34	gevaerts	If you have specific questions or issues, you're much better off saying what those are
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20:19:54	saratoga	the latvian translation?
20:20:19	kugel	yes
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20:21:23	kugel	seems it changes voice only to lower case and removing accents as if the voice generator couldnt handle it
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20:47:58	dfkt	bertrik, it's funny - i don't get any WPS bitmap corruptions with your r30898+a3a0507 clipzip build, but any other build breaks the WPS (no matter if older or newer, compiled by myself or downloaded from the site)
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21:01:46	lebellium	hey
21:01:50	lebellium	just got my zip
21:01:59	lebellium	just tried my own theme and dkft'one
21:02:29	lebellium	why is the screen like shaken everytime I scroll down or up in a list
21:02:39	lebellium	only happens with my theme and default theme
21:02:46	lebellium	no problem with dfkt theme
21:02:48	lebellium	hum
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21:07:57	rarog	pamaury: hello. did you already have a look into my comments vs. OF?
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21:28:00	bertrik	dfkt, odd, perhaps try a make reconf and a make clean first
21:29:05	bertrik	lebellium, shaken?
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21:30:07	lebellium	yeah, try my theme v.0.80, the display move one pixel right often
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21:32:05	lebellium	bertrik: that lasts less than 1 second everytime and looks like you "shake" the screen Oo
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21:37:00	dfkt	bertrik, well it happens as well with builds downloaded from build.rockbox.org
21:37:52	dfkt	sure is an interesting issue, and i'm glad i have your build :)
21:39:35	bertrik	that build will soon get outdated
21:39:59	bertrik	BTW, we found a user with a sansa zip with a wisechip display
21:40:38	dfkt	already? weird that sandisk releases hardware variants parallel
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21:45:15	bertrik	lebellium, I don't see the shaking
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21:46:31	lebellium	so either it comes from my build (r30933-111108) or maybe I have another screen panel (you seem to say there are 2 variants) ?
21:47:49	bertrik	lebellium, you can see the variant if you flashed the OF with a 'T' version of the firmware, in the settings / system menu (IIRC)
21:48:04	bertrik	unfortunately, you can't see this in rockbox itself yet ... :\|
21:48:19	bertrik	oh wait, you can see it in the IO debug menu probably, indirectly
21:49:40	bertrik	please tell me the number you see after "GPIOB:" in menu System / Debug / View IO Ports
21:51:27	lebellium	I don't remember what was the OF, I can only say I know have v.01.01.17A and after GPIOB I seeE6
21:51:39	lebellium	now*
21:52:17	dfkt	lebellium, i don't see 'shaking' in list scrolling either
21:53:19	bertrik	lebellium, hm, yes that appears to be a different display than mine
21:53:27	lebellium	aha!
21:53:38	bertrik	maybe the display can't handle odd horizontal coordinates
21:54:21	dfkt	lebellium, i do see that the alignment isn't the same as in the screenshots - album art has 1px space on top and 2px on the left
21:54:57	dfkt	...and now a hard reset :p
21:55:02	lebellium	1px space on top and 2px on the left is the alignment of v0.80, seems OK for me
21:55:12	lebellium	but I really have a display issue
21:55:18	dfkt	ah ok, i was looking at the 0.7 screenshots
21:55:23	lebellium	everytime I press a key, the display is shaken
21:56:05	lebellium	why the hell do they use different panels -_-
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22:04:17	bertrik	the code in the OF does check bit 0 of the x start coordinate, but I can't really make sense of what it does
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22:06:52	lebellium	Hopefully you or another person will find a solution otherwise I'll regret this buy :D
22:08:19	lebellium	and above all I don't understand why there is no issue with the dfkt theme
22:08:38	dfkt	cause i'm a leet haxxor :p
22:09:03	lebellium	the only main difference is he uses white font on black background and I use black font on white background
22:14:10	bertrik	on closer inspection, the OF does not check the odd/evenness of the horizontal coordinate
22:15:36	*	bertrik blames some other theming bug :D
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22:16:31	bertrik	lebellium, does radio work for you in rockbox?
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22:18:06	lebellium	tell you that soon, just finishing a file transfer
22:20:34	Lars_G	the kernel elements for the e200v1 players
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22:23:04	CIA-22	New commit by kugel (r30934): Simplify icon.c a bit.
22:25:21	CIA-22	r30934 build result: All green
22:25:51	CIA-22	New commit by thomasjfox (r30935): Fix format string
22:25:58	lebellium	bertrik: yes it works
22:27:30	CIA-22	r30935 build result: All green
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22:34:47	CIA-22	New commit by kugel (r30936): Add new lcd_bmp and lcd_bmp_part APIs. ...
22:36:24	Lars_G	What I'm looking for is someone who knows the e200v1 hardware well
22:36:52	CIA-22	New commit by kugel (r30937): Support for transparency in 32bit bitmaps on color targets. ...
22:37:07	CIA-22	r30936 build result: 104 errors, 12 warnings (kugel committed)
22:37:08	gevaerts	Lars_G: several people know specific bits
22:37:27	Lars_G	I want to know what type of bus the lcd uses.
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22:38:28	Lars_G	I wonder if it's a serial or parallel bus, and what are the details of the bus
22:38:36	bertrik	Lars_G, as far as I know, the lcd data is directly either pushed or pulled by DMA from memory
22:39:07	Lars_G	Ok
22:39:18	CIA-22	r30937 build result: 110 errors, 12 warnings (kugel committed)
22:39:26	CIA-22	New commit by kugel (r30938): Adapt the resize-on-load image scalers to support the alpha channel. ...
22:39:28	Lars_G	So an address bus and data bus... I guessed from the ribbon size one of the two is parallel
22:39:31	CIA-22	New commit by kugel (r30939): Adapt icon and skin engine to make use of the new 32bit bitmap capabilities. ...
22:40:00	Lars_G	bertrik: I have an lcd problem on my e200, and I'm trying to determine if it's the screen itself, or if it can be a ribbon/bus problem.
22:40:56	CIA-22	r30938 build result: 836 errors, 12 warnings (kugel committed)
22:41:08	Lars_G	Do you know of any wiki/site with info on the lcd's bus? I'm thinking on hooking the LA to it
22:41:57	bertrik	no
22:42:30	CIA-22	r30939 build result: 836 errors, 12 warnings (kugel committed)
22:45:29	bertrik	dfkt, maybe it helps to clean ccache to get rid of the corruptions?
22:45:46	rarog	doesn't google help? currently I'm looking into the documentation of the 2nd lcd type used in some fuze+. it's not complete as it seems, but it's pretty well documented.
22:47:05	kugel	hm this LCDM() macro is magic
22:47:06	Lars_G	so far I couldn't find the one in the sansa
22:47:11	kugel	I didn't know this can work
22:47:27	Lars_G	the fuze uses a different lcd, small ribbon, looks serial
22:47:43	Lars_G	the e200 uses a wide many channels ribbon "soldered" directly to the pcb
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22:48:00	morganwk	hey
22:48:09	morganwk	I just got rockbox on my ipod 5g
22:48:13	morganwk	and...
22:48:27	Lars_G	morganwk: Congrats, nothing revitalizes a player like rockbox
22:48:38	morganwk	I looked at some of the plugins but there were no download links :(
22:49:09	morganwk	I found them on the plugin wiki
22:49:17	morganwk	where can I download them?
22:49:47	dfkt	bertrik, as i said, the official builds behave the same, only yours is magic :) ... but i can try cleaning on my setup
22:50:19	morganwk	where are some games avalible for download? I don't like pacman and I don't like doom.
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22:51:17	gevaerts	morganwk: all plugins are included
22:51:21	morganwk	oh
22:51:22	lebellium	bertrik: how to run the diagnostic mode to check the screen model?
22:51:31	morganwk	all of the plugins in the wiki?
22:51:33	morganwk	cool
22:51:38	Lars_G	So...
22:51:39	morganwk	that explains it
22:51:59	dfkt	lebellium, rename clpza.bin to clpzt.bin and reflash
22:52:11	Lars_G	bertrik: In theory if it's DMA, a trouble with lines on the screen could be the lcd, the bus, or even the memory? if addressing is static that is....
22:52:21	bertrik	lebellium, I already know that your display is a "type 0" and that the different lcd type is probably not the cause of the shaking
22:53:01	bertrik	but it can be interesting to have a look at the diagnostic menu anyway, so do as dfkt says to be able to access it :)
22:53:15	lebellium	dfkt thanks
22:53:28	lebellium	bertrik: that was just to check if there is not a 3rd panel used \o/
22:54:01	bertrik	I think some clips or clip+es could also get into diagnostic mode when holding all buttons during boot
22:54:11	lebellium	as I told you, the main info is that it shakes on my theme but not on dfkt's one. Once we've understood why...
22:54:53	Lars_G	it shakes on a theme?
22:55:01	Lars_G	How do you define "shake" ?
22:55:10	*	bertrik wonders what the "restore" menu option does
22:55:17	dfkt	the screen rebells against white backgrounds, as already shown by the streaks ;)
22:55:27	Lars_G	is it a screen wide shiver? or is it like part of the screen moves back and forth?
22:55:31	dfkt	bertrik, it just resets to defaults
22:55:42	Lars_G	hmmmm
22:57:13	Lars_G	Cool, Xorg is hanging up
22:57:54	pamaury	rarog: I check the one you found suspicious and the OF really sends this
22:58:02	lebellium	Lars_G: in a list (main menu or settings etc) when I press some keys like down or up, the whole viewport (but not whole display) goes 1px right and then comes back immediately to the original position
22:58:23	Lars_G	The sansa family each has design troubles
22:58:29	Lars_G	I wonder if any clip/+ works well.
22:58:45	Lars_G	e200 has lcd troubles, fuze has scrollweel troubles... sigh
22:59:02	Lars_G	And I don't mean software ones, I mean QA hardware troubles
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23:04:45	CIA-22	New commit by kugel (r30940): Fix build errors and warnings in the lcd drivers.
23:06:31	CIA-22	r30940 build result: 746 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed)
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23:09:52	JdGordon	kugel: the FORMAT_SIZE flag doesnt get the actual buffer size anymore?
23:11:04	kugel	it does
23:11:18	bertrik	meh, committing database takes long too
23:11:36	kugel	except it gives too much if the alpha channel is useless (all 0xff)
23:12:09	JdGordon	so it overallocates?
23:12:34	kugel	but that's due to the optimization done at drawing (it doesnt go through the alpha blender for all-0xff transparency)
23:13:46	kugel	it doesn't allocate too much. the alpha part can just be savely be freed if there's no actual alpha information
23:14:03	rarog	pamaury: ok. so it's a bug/feature on their side. and changing this didn't help at all (as expected).
23:14:44	rarog	pamaury: you mentioned setting like bus setting as a potential other source of error, right? I could also look into this.
23:15:10	Lars_G	bertrik: What do you do to your build? and what players do you build for?
23:15:57	kugel	JdGordon: well, one could argue there's too much allocated for that case, but there's no way to know beforehand
23:16:39	bertrik	I have mostly sandisk sansa players and recently I do development for AMSv2 targets like the clip+ and the clip zip
23:17:25	pamaury	rarog: that was just a thought but I can't find any difference between the two screen settings in the OF although I must say that there code is pretty complicated so I can't tell for sure
23:17:46	pamaury	but even if the settings were different it shouldn't display a grey screen
23:18:05	JdGordon	kugel: ok
23:18:33	kugel	can someone explain the mrobe100 error?
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23:19:40	rarog	pamaury: hm... how about a testing vector just by trying to paint something on screen after the start just to see if this works?
23:20:52	pamaury	rockbox is drawing quite often on boot and "painting" is basically sending a streaming on pixels on the data bus so I don't see what else you could do
23:21:52	Lars_G	bertrik: How does your build fork/differ off the original one?
23:21:53	rarog	hm... but drawing function itself (the information sending those streams) should be identical with both screen types I think.
23:22:23	pamaury	yes, as far as I can tell
23:22:45	gevaerts	kugel: I'm pretty sure this is related to the mrobe100 sim reds we used to get every now and then
23:23:30	CIA-22	New commit by kugel (r30941): Make pictureflow compile again.
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23:25:23	kugel	someone needs to check coldfire. there's asm in the resizer which I'm not 100% sure it still works (MAC() macro). I wanted to test this before commit but I forgot about that
23:25:38	CIA-22	r30941 build result: 18 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed)
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23:26:00	kugel	gevaerts: how can this be fixed?
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23:26:37	kugel	it seems strange as 'remote' is used unconditionally just the line above
23:26:38	gevaerts	With lots of pain and suffering. It's basically a case of ifdef hell
23:27:44	kugel	yea, I noticed bmp.c/resize.c has lots of ifdefs for very little gain
23:27:56	gevaerts	BM_SIZE() probably eats the last argument on non-remote targets
23:28:11	kugel	especially the #ifdef PLUGIN stuff makes it even more tricky
23:28:57	gevaerts	I know I had a go at fixing the occasional red a few weeks/month ago, but I gave up
23:29:50	*	kugel wonders how Unhelpful managed to write this in the first place :)
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23:32:05	kugel	aha, remote is only declared if HAVE_BMP_SCALING is also declared
23:32:20	kugel	which isn't the case for mrobe because it's mono display on the main unit
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23:34:36	CIA-22	New commit by kugel (r30942): Fix warning on mrobe100.
23:34:45	kugel	s/wanring/error/
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23:36:28	lebellium	bertrik dfkt: do you also have display issue with scrolling text in menus/lists? on my Zip the selector bar goes up to the left edge of the screen (so over the icon and the vertical scrolling bar) and it's like there is twice the text one over the other
23:36:29	*	gevaerts bets a warning will appear :)
23:36:47	CIA-22	r30942 build result: All green
23:37:07	kugel	gevaerts: nah, remote isn't unused anymore :)
23:37:10	gevaerts	kugel: congratulations!
23:37:33	kugel	thanks! ;)
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23:39:15	funman	does clipzip OF use the full screen area?
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23:57:20	rarog	pamaury: where in the code is setup_lcd_pins() called?

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