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#rockbox log for 2011-11-08

00:01:20raroglooks like a magic book for me. :D
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00:18:44amiconnAny shell script expert around?
00:19:25amiconnUsing configure −−ttsopts (or any other argument) with a quoted value doesn't work properly
00:20:25amiconnE.g. configure −−ttsopts="/voice:Audrey16 /speed:2" −−tts=s gets the quotes stripped when assigning $@ to cmdline
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00:21:12rarogdid you try to escape the quotes with a backslash?
00:21:20amiconnThe option is interpreted and then added a second time in quoted form so the voice generation actually uses it, but this behaviour a) causes a stray error message when building and b) breaks 'make reconf' due to this error
00:22:22amiconnThat causes an immediate error in configure
00:22:54amiconnAlso it shouldn't be necessary because $@ is supposed to retain quoted arguments, but obviously the interpolation strips them
00:23:44amiconnThis is nasty because you can't even loop and readd them, because it would result in "−−ttsopts=/voice:Audrey16 /speed:2" which is obviously wrong
00:24:01amiconn(opening quote moved)
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00:36:51gevaertsamiconn: I think the option parsing should be entirely rewritten...
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00:44:53saratogabertrik: 40mhz P and F clock actually gets worse runtime then 240 FCLK and 24 PCLK
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00:45:03saratogawhile 240FCLK and 40PCLK gets much worse
00:45:15saratogaso apparently PCLK uses a lot of power if you increase it even a small amount
00:45:36saratogai wonder if we're inadvertantly running some peripherals much higher then they need to be when the PCLK is increased
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00:53:37CIA-22New commit by mc2739 (r30928): FS #12365 - Czech language update by Marek Salaba
00:55:29CIA-22r30928 build result: All green
00:57:09CIA-22New commit by mc2739 (r30929): FS #12365 - Czech language update by Marek Salaba
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01:25:28saratogafunman: is the DBOP used for display output on all AMS sansas or only some?
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01:42:13saratogahuh, any reason the internal ROM is powered up? AFAIK we don't use that
01:46:43saratogaand also the "memory built in self test" circuit
01:49:05Falco98what target are you talking about? out of curiosity
01:50:46funmansaratoga: not the clip+ at least
01:51:06funmanit uses SSP afaik (like the clip zip)
01:51:32funmani might (or not) have tested disabling internal ROM in the past but i don't remember the results
01:51:43funmanwhat is memory built in self test?
01:52:06saratogafunman: i think its a piece of debug hardware used to validate the SOC's memory
01:52:26saratogadatasheet only mentions it as "memory bist manager clock enable"
01:53:24funmanah it rinsg a bell
01:53:44saratogaon my clip+ CPU_PERI gives 0x0F910580
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01:58:54saratogahuh switching off the BIST worked fine, but the ROM didn't disable
01:59:01saratogai wonder if we turn it on somewhere
02:02:05funmansaratoga: which bit is it?
02:05:55saratogafunman: CGU_PERI &= ~(1<<24);
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02:14:51Falco98anyone have any info on the status of the android app fork? on my original droid i thought i had a useable port, but now that i have a thunderbolt and installed the build i was recommended on the forum, it basically won't work at all (other than to launch)
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02:15:14JdGordonwhat doesnt work about it?
02:15:23saratogaFalco98: Clip/Fuze
02:15:45Falco98saratoga: thx
02:16:24saratogahmm lcd_enable_power is just a void function, instead i wonder if we could cut the clock to the SSP when its not in use
02:16:33Falco98JdGordon: um.. audio wouldn't play back. like at all. it's been a few weeks since i tried, i can review if you want. also if you think there are more recent builds i should try first, i will if you remind me where to look for them.
02:16:37funmansaratoga: i dont think we enable the ROM anywhere
02:16:51funmansaratoga: there is/was a patch for disabling lcd on clips
02:17:22JdGordonFalco98: I have no idea what build someone suggested you..."> is where the most "official" build is">
02:17:38Falco98i believe that's what i have loaded.
02:18:43Falco98ok i get audio playback... but if i pause, the program instantly dumps (seemingly) - at least, it kicks me out
02:22:59Falco98at least, it un-focuses the app, effectively kicking me out, but i get the "in progress" notification in the drop-down bar shortly after... but re-entering thru this automatically un-pauses too.
02:23:35Falco98it may just be that the UI is doing things I'm not understanding and not expecting, but it comes off as being buggy.
02:23:59saratogafunman: sorry i'm mistaken, it was the BIST, and it appears that it cannot be disabled
02:24:13saratogathe bit returns 1 even immediately after I've set it to 0
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02:34:30Falco98hmm... so when i'm playing a track (android build) and i do a "skip forward", it crossfades but starts the same track over again, even when i have valid different tracks next in the playlist.
02:37:52Falco98screw it.. the version i'm using is from 9-24, gonna install the latest one before any further t/s
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02:42:52Falco98oh, duh, it was set on "repeat one" for some stupid reason -_-
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03:07:27CIA-22New commit by saratoga (r30930): Disable the clock the built in AS3525(v2) bootrom. This is only useful for reverse engineering purposes, so disable during normal operation in case ...
03:07:47saratogawelp left out a "for" in that commit message
03:09:15CIA-22r30930 build result: All green
03:09:47funmangit commit −−amend;git push −−force
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03:40:18Falco98gah.. i can't figure out where the rockbox o/s files sit when installed in android... i have no idea where to put additional theme files
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03:43:07funman.rockbox folder of sd card?
03:46:46Falco98i actually don't see a .rockbox folder - just "rockbox", which until just-now didn't have much in it
03:47:30Falco98i'm checking settings to see whether there might be a "." folder being hidden from me, but i thought astro file manager showed everything
03:54:10Falco98i copied the theme files to the "rockbox" folder and it seems to let me pick that theme now. still a little confused, it seems to now preclude the selection of the themes that formerly appeared by default.
03:54:49JdGordonyes, raaa does wierd stuff with the .rockbox folders
03:55:14Falco98also any use of the "screen on" button, either to manually turn off the screen, or to wake it from an auto-shutoff, destroys audio playback until i force close the rockbox app and restart. i can try to pause and resume playback or various other things, but nothing plays until i completely re-open.
03:55:17JdGordonif /sdcard/rockbox/<foo>/ exists it doesnt bother looking at /data/data/org.rockbox/.rockbox/<foo>/
03:55:26Falco98ahh ok
03:55:37Falco98yeah i'm not an expert at the android native filesystem yet
03:56:31Falco98would it feel more like the regular (dap) filesystem if i had android move the app to the SDcard altogether?
03:57:00Falco98i.e. all files are contained in the "rockbox" (or ".rockbox" folder?
04:02:07Falco98any comments on the playback issue i described above? or is it a known bug?
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04:09:53Falco98saint, you around?
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05:06:45[Saint]Falco98: Yep/
05:07:12Falco98let me see if i can remember my question :-P
05:07:43Falco98i just found your android theme tonight, followed the thread all the way back to your old custom build
05:08:10Falco98would i be correct in assuming that there is currently no (modern) way to get an "exit button" in the menu like your custom build used to have?
05:08:47[Saint]Not without editing/re-compiling.
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05:09:21Falco98gotcha, just wanted to make sure
05:09:31Falco98now a comment regarding your current theme:
05:09:57[Saint]By "current", you mean the one on the tracker?
05:09:59Falco98would it be possible to, when a user touches the volume icon and the pop-up pops up, to have a second press of the icon make the pop-up go away?
05:10:05Falco98um, yes, that :)
05:10:17Falco98(maybe i shoulda said "most recent")
05:10:22Falco98(that is the one i'm running)
05:11:24[Saint]That *should* be possible. I'd need to make a dedicated "exit button" in it though. As otherwise you'd close it every time you tried to change the volume.
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05:12:03[Saint]that's actually on my ToDo list. I've just not had very much time for theme stuff lately.
05:12:06Falco98gotcha. i'm not familiar enough with the way the WPS works i guess, i figured it could change states after the first press such that the second press makes it go away
05:12:55Falco98cool - no biggie, just wanted to put it out there. the rasher build is not currently otherwise stable enough for any real usefulness to me... on the thunderbolt, anyway, there is a severe playback error when the screen poweron/poweroff button is used a few times
05:13:16[Saint]Yeah, that would be the more desirable approach. With both popups, they're just on a timer and go dead after a few seconds. With the exception of the volume pop-up that will stay open as long as you're fiddling with the volume still.
05:13:35Falco98i.e. after turning the screen back on once or twice after a manual or automatic shutoff, playback fails and refuses to do anything until the app is exited and restarted fresh
05:14:07[Saint]Hummm...that's a nice one. I'm not sure I've heard of that before now.
05:14:18[Saint]I can't seem to reproduce it here.
05:14:31Falco98maybe you could make it such that a "volume control exit" button pops up over the original button only when the slider is open? not sure if it can work that way though.
05:14:40Falco98what hardware are you running it on?
05:15:09[Saint]Samsung Galaxy 5, and Motorolla Defy.
05:15:58Falco98gotcha. i'm worried that this will be some pestersome hardware-specific thing. i wish there were a more reliable way to exit the app - at the moment i have to just set "idle poweroff" to 1 minute, pause and hit "home"... then wait
05:17:05[Saint]Why do you *need* to exit it..out of curiousity? When its pushed to the background and there's no playback it shouldn't be bothering anything.
05:17:37Falco98at the moment, exiting completely is the only way to get playback back... like as i test and troubleshoot etc.
05:17:53[Saint]Oh...right. Gotcha.
05:18:08Falco98and during normal use, without a hard-exit, i always feel as if it's lingering in the background somewhere :-P
05:18:25[Saint]It is.
05:18:34[Saint]This is the way Android works ;)
05:18:43Falco98for me, if i leave it playing, turn the screen off manually and back on, off and back on, playback fails on the second [turn-back-on].
05:18:47Falco98yeah, heh.
05:19:20[Saint]lock the screen == turn the screen off, I preseme?
05:19:41[Saint]*lock the handset
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05:20:00[Saint]Hmmm. Yeah. I can't reproduce this.
05:20:11Falco98the TB has a dedicated button that (afaik) does nothing else.
05:20:20Falco98on the Eris it was the "end call" button that did the same thing.
05:21:13Falco98(i might try it on my wife's X at some point if i can)
05:22:06[Saint]Hmmm, make a note of this in the forum. It certainly can't hurt. One of the problems with RaaA is that it has to attempt to run on every eclair-to-gingerbread based ROM, possibly "home baked", and on a few hundred different hardware types ;)
05:23:01[Saint]if Android handsets were like the iPhone, with a few known examples of hardware...then things would be a lot easier.
05:23:15[Saint]...but then Android would probably be crap :P
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05:28:04[Saint]Falco98: If you feel like getting creative, here's the shutdown-in-main-menu patch:
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05:29:20JdGordonhmm, should I add shutdown as a option to the shortcuts plugin?
05:29:28JdGordon(which looks like wont be contentious!)
05:29:30Falco98cool thanks. i might attempt to compile at some point but i'm not sure i'm up for it quite yet.
05:29:59Falco98JdGordon: are you referring to all targets?
05:30:17Falco98then again i wouldn't object to a soft shutdown option even on my ipod 5.5
05:30:38[Saint]JdGordon: Yep.
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05:31:24Falco98the ipod is easy enough to let go via idle-timeout but there are times when i don't feel like holding the "pause" button for 10 minutes to invoke hard shutdown :-P
05:31:41Falco98(i really mean 5 seconds but you get my drift)
05:31:52[Saint]When's that shortcuts plugin going in...btw JdGordon? We've branched no, aren't your commit fingers itchy? :P
05:32:10JdGordonits in the queue
05:32:20JdGordoncurrently rejigging the skin engine is my priority
05:32:31[Saint]Ah, right.
05:32:55Falco98what's the shortcuts plugin btw?
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05:33:06Falco98sorry i tend to get out-of-the-loop around here
05:33:09JdGordonshortcuts works good enough for me but I tinhk it has some minor bugs still to fix before commit
05:33:34Falco98at first i thought you were referring to the wps quick-menu
05:33:39JdGordonFalco98: its a replacement for the current shortcuts plugin which puts a menu option and much more choice over what the shortcut can actually do
05:34:10Falco98puts a menu option where?
05:34:17JdGordonin the main menu
05:35:06Falco98so what, it lets you add a shortcut to a buried menu item right in the main menu? or it adds a "shortcuts" menu item at the top, to add whatever the user wants?
05:35:14Falco98or am i still way-off-base
05:35:30JdGordonit lets you add a shortcut to any setting or file or folder
05:35:40JdGordonas well as ome other stuff
05:35:46JdGordonit is... freeking awesome :p
05:37:45Falco98should i be looking at anything specific there?
05:37:50JdGordonits on the tracker also but not up to date
05:40:12JdGordonFS #12251
05:40:13fs-bluebot user shortcuts in the main menu (patches, new)
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07:44:07JdGordonBuschel: the 3 lines in the log was the whole discussion on whell boost :p
07:46:00Buschel:) well, then we should add some more
07:48:21Buschele.g. I would like to name the define more generic (HAVE_GUI_BOOST) to not limit it to wheel targets. the gui boost code itself could then be adapted to also work with button targets (for scroll actions in the same contexts as defined for scroll wheel targets)
07:48:58Buschelthen let the devs/owners of the different targets decide whether to activate this or not
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07:49:19Buschelfor iPods this would be pretty clear ;)
07:49:19JdGordonyeah maybe
07:52:24LloreanI wonder if it'd be beneficial to D2 (do we do boosting on D2?) to make sure kinetic scrolling tends to be smooth?
07:53:08BuschelLlorean: just try to boost the CPU via the engineering menu and give it a try
07:53:36Buscheleven the (fast) nano2G benefits from boosting
07:53:47LloreanI'm hundreds of miles from my D2 right now. :-P
07:54:14LloreanBut I more just meant it as a sort of target that could probably benefit from it that's not a wheel target.
07:54:14Buschelwell, that's a problem :)
07:54:46Buschelyep, we should really not limit this to scroll wheel targets...
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08:41:39Misanthroposhi - i noticed development for the sansa clip+ usb support has somehow stopped
08:42:35Misanthroposi don't mind if I have to boot the sansa firmware to place/remove files
08:43:06Misanthroposbut the database update of the sansa firmware i'd like to circumvent
08:43:34Misanthroposis there a patch maybe to stop that behaviour?
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09:02:01Misanthroposbertrik, good to see you :D
09:02:20Misanthroposhave you given up the usb support for the clip+?
09:03:14bertrikI'm not currently working on that
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09:27:24Misanthroposa question about replaygain: should i mp3gain my files on the rockbox or does rockbox make an analysis of the files before playing them?
09:28:42caramouMisanthropos: the file should contain replaygain info before playing
09:30:12Lloreanmp3gain isn't necessarily the same thing. It by default changes the files.
09:30:40LloreanMake sure it's set to just change the tags.
09:33:57kugelLlorean: it either changes the files, or writes ape tags
09:34:00GodEater_yeah, mp3gain can alter the actual audio information in the file - replaygain should only write metadata.
09:34:04kugelrockbox doesnt read ape tags
09:34:38LloreanI thought it could do id3 tags.
09:34:46LloreanI just knew mp3gain had caused issues in the past though.
09:35:07Misanthroposit does. if id tag is missing it adds one and stores the gain in field in that tag
09:35:40Misanthroposi don't know if it causes issues
09:35:43Misanthroposi will try :D
09:36:48Misanthroposin any case: you can disable replaygain and the file should play as usual, correct?
09:37:02LloreanNot if mp3gain has modified it, which is the default mode.
09:38:17GodEater_Shouldn't we just say "don't use mp3gain, use replaygain instead" ? :)
09:39:43MisanthroposLlorean, if you disable replaygain in the rockbox it should just ignore that value, or not?
09:40:08GodEater_it definitely ignores it
09:40:26LloreanMisanthropos: Rockbox ignored replaygain tags. mp3gain by default doesn't *just* create the tags, it also modifies the gain of each sample
09:40:28LloreanRockbox can't ignore that.
09:41:24MisanthroposGodEater, eat Llorean :D
09:42:17MisanthroposLlorean, as far as I understand, its just a value for db adjust - it should be easily ignored
09:42:48LloreanTHat's replaygain
09:43:06Lloreanmp3gain is designed to modify mp3 files using replaygain's algorithms in a way that those mp3 files are normalized even on non-replaygain supporting playback software.
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09:43:22LloreanIt does this by adjusting samples, but this feature can be disabled so that it only uses tags (the "proper" way that can be ignored)
09:43:31Misanthroposnow i begin to understand
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09:48:31Misanthroposdamn - there seems to be no easy solution to replaygain files in linux
09:48:51crwlnot for mp3 I think (vorbis and flac yes)
09:49:14crwlat least last I checked the command line mp3gain available for linux couldn't write tags, at least ones rockbox would understand
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09:54:56kugelcrwl: as I said, rockbox doesn't read APE tags which mp3gain writes
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10:20:55gevaertsrecentish mp3gain works fine as long as you tell it to use id3
10:24:30gevaertsjhMikeS: the e200v1 has 32MB
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10:32:12gevaertsoh, v2...
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10:39:05*JdGordon loves fake deltas :)
10:39:21Misanthroposgevaerts, thats what i meant by -s i
10:39:57Misanthroposbut can rockbox read v2?
10:40:02Misanthroposor just v1 tags
10:40:47gevaertsv2 is fine
10:41:58gevaertsAnd yes, as long as you use -s i, mp3gain should be fine
10:46:08kugelJdGordon: not exactly a fake delta. ram usage is 1/4 since the default iconset is 12x12
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12:45:12JdGordonOK, I have a serious dilema here... I'm almost finished the skin buffer change but i have no real way of making sure its 100% correct without just pushing it and hoping...
12:45:34JdGordonso how long do i bother waiting for people to help test out of tree?
12:46:13Torneis it currently just a patch on FS?
12:47:38TorneI'd suggest making some test builds for popular players and posting them on the forum to invite skinner type people to try them with all their skins
12:47:51Tornei think that's more likely to get you test feedback than just a patch
12:47:53JdGordonit will be before i goto bed tonight
12:48:04JdGordongoing from past experience that isnt likely
12:48:29Tornewhen i'v eposted ipod test builds for power/etc stuff before I've had 15+ people test them
12:48:31kugeltest builds usually help, no?
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12:49:08kugelJdGordon: what about the ml discussion?
12:49:33JdGordonI've done enough of the code that its time to start testing...
12:49:51JdGordonI havnt thought about the ml discussion just yet (and will work something out before it goes forward)
12:50:05JdGordonjust that it really does need testing and the sooner the better
12:50:35TorneIt doesn't take that long to make, say, 6 test builds for players we know lots of people use (ipodvideo, fuze, h300, etc)
12:50:55JdGordonsure, but it will take hours to upload on m horrible connection :(
12:50:57Tornei think it's worth it
12:51:00JdGordonbut yeah, ok I'll do that
12:51:21kugelJdGordon: heh, you didn't actually wait with getiing too far in before making sure the macros are acceptable
12:51:51kugelwhich was the point of the mail
12:51:55JdGordonerr... look at my git commits, i was 8 hurs into the work before any reply
12:52:28kugeldid you expect instant answer?
12:52:45JdGordonmacros are easy to change later
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12:57:01*JdGordon honestly didnt think this change would be doable so quickly :p
12:58:18*Torne agrees that it's easy to change that kind of thing later
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13:13:57kugelwe didnt have a call for translators :()
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13:17:26JdGordonplenty of time for that
13:19:20kugelshould it also be send to rockbox users perhaps, or to the forums?
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13:19:36JdGordoncheck where that last one went :)
13:20:32Zagorkugel: users+forums is a good idea. translation is a perfect thing to lure new contributtors.
13:21:18*kugel isnt subscribed to -users, and doesnt want to be ;()
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15:36:27webguest54anyone know if I patch the clip zip usb will it work like the other amsv2 usb ?
15:36:41funmanwebguest54: you can tell us if it works
15:37:36webguest54got my clip zip today and am tempted
15:38:39webguest54do I just uncomment usb handled by rockbox and comment out us handled by of in config/sansaclipzip.h ?
15:39:18funmani think it should be enough yes
15:40:51webguest54cool thanks
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16:37:47rarogpaumary: hey, currently I'm jumping through the documentation of the 2nd display and am making comments, what sense all the commands do
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16:56:10rarogpaumary: when I'm done, I'll upload the diff, so perhaps we can make some sence from all the instructions.
16:58:02rarogI'm too tired to type correctly -.-
16:58:38pamauryI'm not convinced that making sense of them is interesting, if there are the same as the OF, the problem is somewhere else and I must disassembled it more carefully to find out, something like bus width or missing pin config, don't know yet
16:59:36rarogso you think, all the registers and data are correctly written in the source code? I hoped to find some illogic instructions
17:01:22pamaurysince I've now checked it two times, the probability that it is wrong is rather small (though nonzero) and since the OF code works...
17:01:40pamaurybut I encourage you to try, even check is a step forward
17:05:38rarogyes. the OF either has some unneeded bits in commands or uses some undocumented features, though I think it is the first case. In once place a bit was set which doesn't seem to have any meaning. but as it still works, this shouldn't be the problem. probably it's just ignored
17:06:46pamauryit might be that the doc we have doesn't match the actual hardware too
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17:07:36rarogyes. I'm looking into ILI9325.pdf which you probably have, too.
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17:36:31rarogpamaury: indeed I think that OF does something wrong in the init, _lcd_write_reg(7, 0x173) should be _lcd_write_reg(7, 0x133) like in the enableing sequence, but I doubt that this is a solution to our problem. :D
17:39:16rarogand I wonder what _lcd_write_reg(0xe5, 0x78f0) and the following 4 instructions are doing, those registers aren't documented at all
17:40:26rarogand lpc1343codebase doesn't have any example instructions with those.
17:40:48kugelbluebrother: the clef icon has no border :(
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17:43:27kugellooks rather big in the iconset
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18:01:22Lars_GHi all.
18:01:30Lars_GIs the developer for the sansa port here by any chance
18:02:24pamauryLars_G: sansa port is a bit vague, which sansa ?
18:03:00pamauryrarog: ok thanks, I'll check this instruction against the OF to see
18:04:37rarogpamaury: ok, I'll be online in some hours again, then I'll see, if you have some results and/or try some modifications
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19:53:26Lars_Gpamaury: Any idea if the e200 dev is around?
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19:58:34gevaertsIf you have specific questions or issues, you're *much* better off saying what those are
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20:18:56*kugel finds r30616 suspicious
20:19:54saratogathe latvian translation?
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20:21:23kugelseems it changes voice only to lower case and removing accents as if the voice generator couldnt handle it
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20:47:58dfktbertrik, it's funny - i don't get any WPS bitmap corruptions with your r30898+a3a0507 clipzip build, but any other build breaks the WPS (no matter if older or newer, compiled by myself or downloaded from the site)
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21:01:50lebelliumjust got my zip
21:01:59lebelliumjust tried my own theme and dkft'one
21:02:29lebelliumwhy is the screen like shaken everytime I scroll down or up in a list
21:02:39lebelliumonly happens with my theme and default theme
21:02:46lebelliumno problem with dfkt theme
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21:07:57rarogpamaury: hello. did you already have a look into my comments vs. OF?
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21:28:00bertrikdfkt, odd, perhaps try a make reconf and a make clean first
21:29:05bertriklebellium, shaken?
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21:30:07lebelliumyeah, try my theme v.0.80, the display move one pixel right often
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21:32:05lebelliumbertrik: that lasts less than 1 second everytime and looks like you "shake" the screen Oo
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21:37:00dfktbertrik, well it happens as well with builds downloaded from
21:37:52dfktsure is an interesting issue, and i'm glad i have your build :)
21:39:35bertrikthat build will soon get outdated
21:39:59bertrikBTW, we found a user with a sansa zip with a wisechip display
21:40:38dfktalready? weird that sandisk releases hardware variants parallel
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21:45:15bertriklebellium, I don't see the shaking
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21:46:31lebelliumso either it comes from my build (r30933-111108) or maybe I have another screen panel (you seem to say there are 2 variants) ?
21:47:49bertriklebellium, you can see the variant if you flashed the OF with a 'T' version of the firmware, in the settings / system menu (IIRC)
21:48:04bertrikunfortunately, you can't see this in rockbox itself yet ... :|
21:48:19bertrikoh wait, you can see it in the IO debug menu probably, indirectly
21:49:40bertrikplease tell me the number you see after "GPIOB:" in menu System / Debug / View IO Ports
21:51:27lebelliumI don't remember what was the OF, I can only say I know have v.01.01.17A and after GPIOB I seeE6
21:52:17dfktlebellium, i don't see 'shaking' in list scrolling either
21:53:19bertriklebellium, hm, yes that appears to be a different display than mine
21:53:38bertrikmaybe the display can't handle odd horizontal coordinates
21:54:21dfktlebellium, i do see that the alignment isn't the same as in the screenshots - album art has 1px space on top and 2px on the left
21:54:57dfkt...and now a hard reset :p
21:55:02lebellium1px space on top and 2px on the left is the alignment of v0.80, seems OK for me
21:55:12lebelliumbut I really have a display issue
21:55:18dfktah ok, i was looking at the 0.7 screenshots
21:55:23lebelliumeverytime I press a key, the display is shaken
21:56:05lebelliumwhy the hell do they use different panels -_-
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22:04:17bertrikthe code in the OF does check bit 0 of the x start coordinate, but I can't really make sense of what it does
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22:06:52lebelliumHopefully you or another person will find a solution otherwise I'll regret this buy :D
22:08:19lebelliumand above all I don't understand why there is no issue with the dfkt theme
22:08:38dfktcause i'm a leet haxxor :p
22:09:03lebelliumthe only main difference is he uses white font on black background and I use black font on white background
22:14:10bertrikon closer inspection, the OF does not check the odd/evenness of the horizontal coordinate
22:15:36*bertrik blames some other theming bug :D
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22:16:31bertriklebellium, does radio work for you in rockbox?
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22:18:06lebelliumtell you that soon, just finishing a file transfer
22:20:34Lars_Gthe kernel elements for the e200v1 players
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22:23:04CIA-22New commit by kugel (r30934): Simplify icon.c a bit.
22:25:21CIA-22r30934 build result: All green
22:25:51CIA-22New commit by thomasjfox (r30935): Fix format string
22:25:58lebelliumbertrik: yes it works
22:27:30CIA-22r30935 build result: All green
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22:34:47CIA-22New commit by kugel (r30936): Add new lcd_bmp and lcd_bmp_part APIs. ...
22:36:24Lars_GWhat I'm looking for is someone who knows the e200v1 hardware well
22:36:52CIA-22New commit by kugel (r30937): Support for transparency in 32bit bitmaps on color targets. ...
22:37:07CIA-22r30936 build result: 104 errors, 12 warnings (kugel committed)
22:37:08gevaertsLars_G: several people know specific bits
22:37:27Lars_GI want to know what type of bus the lcd uses.
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22:38:28Lars_GI wonder if it's a serial or parallel bus, and what are the details of the bus
22:38:36bertrikLars_G, as far as I know, the lcd data is directly either pushed or pulled by DMA from memory
22:39:18CIA-22r30937 build result: 110 errors, 12 warnings (kugel committed)
22:39:26CIA-22New commit by kugel (r30938): Adapt the resize-on-load image scalers to support the alpha channel. ...
22:39:28Lars_GSo an address bus and data bus... I guessed from the ribbon size one of the two is parallel
22:39:31CIA-22New commit by kugel (r30939): Adapt icon and skin engine to make use of the new 32bit bitmap capabilities. ...
22:40:00Lars_Gbertrik: I have an lcd problem on my e200, and I'm trying to determine if it's the screen itself, or if it can be a ribbon/bus problem.
22:40:56CIA-22r30938 build result: 836 errors, 12 warnings (kugel committed)
22:41:08Lars_GDo you know of any wiki/site with info on the lcd's bus? I'm thinking on hooking the LA to it
22:42:30CIA-22r30939 build result: 836 errors, 12 warnings (kugel committed)
22:45:29bertrikdfkt, maybe it helps to clean ccache to get rid of the corruptions?
22:45:46rarogdoesn't google help? currently I'm looking into the documentation of the 2nd lcd type used in some fuze+. it's not complete as it seems, but it's pretty well documented.
22:47:05kugelhm this LCDM() macro is magic
22:47:06Lars_Gso far I couldn't find the one in the sansa
22:47:11kugelI didn't know this can work
22:47:27Lars_Gthe fuze uses a different lcd, small ribbon, looks serial
22:47:43Lars_Gthe e200 uses a wide many channels ribbon "soldered" directly to the pcb
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22:48:09morganwkI just got rockbox on my ipod 5g
22:48:27Lars_Gmorganwk: Congrats, nothing revitalizes a player like rockbox
22:48:38morganwkI looked at some of the plugins but there were no download links :(
22:49:09morganwkI found them on the plugin wiki
22:49:17morganwkwhere can I download them?
22:49:47dfktbertrik, as i said, the official builds behave the same, only yours is magic :) ... but i can try cleaning on my setup
22:50:19morganwkwhere are some games avalible for download? I don't like pacman and I don't like doom.
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22:51:17gevaertsmorganwk: all plugins are included
22:51:22lebelliumbertrik: how to run the diagnostic mode to check the screen model?
22:51:31morganwkall of the plugins in the wiki?
22:51:39morganwkthat explains it
22:51:59dfktlebellium, rename clpza.bin to clpzt.bin and reflash
22:52:11Lars_Gbertrik: In theory if it's DMA, a trouble with lines on the screen could be the lcd, the bus, or even the memory? if addressing is static that is....
22:52:21bertriklebellium, I already know that your display is a "type 0" and that the different lcd type is probably not the cause of the shaking
22:53:01bertrikbut it can be interesting to have a look at the diagnostic menu anyway, so do as dfkt says to be able to access it :)
22:53:15lebelliumdfkt thanks
22:53:28lebelliumbertrik: that was just to check if there is not a 3rd panel used \o/
22:54:01bertrikI think some clips or clip+es could also get into diagnostic mode when holding all buttons during boot
22:54:11lebelliumas I told you, the main info is that it shakes on my theme but not on dfkt's one. Once we've understood why...
22:54:53Lars_Git shakes on a theme?
22:55:01Lars_GHow do you define "shake" ?
22:55:10*bertrik wonders what the "restore" menu option does
22:55:17dfktthe screen rebells against white backgrounds, as already shown by the streaks ;)
22:55:27Lars_Gis it a screen wide shiver? or is it like part of the screen moves back and forth?
22:55:31dfktbertrik, it just resets to defaults
22:57:13Lars_GCool, Xorg is hanging up
22:57:54pamauryrarog: I check the one you found suspicious and the OF really sends this
22:58:02lebelliumLars_G: in a list (main menu or settings etc) when I press some keys like down or up, the whole viewport (but not whole display) goes 1px right and then comes back immediately to the original position
22:58:23Lars_GThe sansa family each has design troubles
22:58:29Lars_GI wonder if any clip/+ works well.
22:58:45Lars_Ge200 has lcd troubles, fuze has scrollweel troubles... sigh
22:59:02Lars_GAnd I don't mean software ones, I mean QA hardware troubles
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23:04:45CIA-22New commit by kugel (r30940): Fix build errors and warnings in the lcd drivers.
23:06:31CIA-22r30940 build result: 746 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed)
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23:09:52JdGordonkugel: the FORMAT_SIZE flag doesnt get the actual buffer size anymore?
23:11:04kugelit does
23:11:18bertrikmeh, committing database takes long too
23:11:36kugelexcept it gives too much if the alpha channel is useless (all 0xff)
23:12:09JdGordonso it overallocates?
23:12:34kugelbut that's due to the optimization done at drawing (it doesnt go through the alpha blender for all-0xff transparency)
23:13:46kugelit doesn't allocate too much. the alpha part can just be savely be freed if there's no actual alpha information
23:14:03rarogpamaury: ok. so it's a bug/feature on their side. and changing this didn't help at all (as expected).
23:14:44rarogpamaury: you mentioned setting like bus setting as a potential other source of error, right? I could also look into this.
23:15:10Lars_Gbertrik: What do you do to your build? and what players do you build for?
23:15:57kugelJdGordon: well, one could argue there's too much allocated for that case, but there's no way to know beforehand
23:16:39bertrikI have mostly sandisk sansa players and recently I do development for AMSv2 targets like the clip+ and the clip zip
23:17:25pamauryrarog: that was just a thought but I can't find any difference between the two screen settings in the OF although I must say that there code is pretty complicated so I can't tell for sure
23:17:46pamaurybut even if the settings were different it shouldn't display a grey screen
23:18:05JdGordonkugel: ok
23:18:33kugelcan someone explain the mrobe100 error?
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23:19:40rarogpamaury: hm... how about a testing vector just by trying to paint something on screen after the start just to see if this works?
23:20:52pamauryrockbox is drawing quite often on boot and "painting" is basically sending a streaming on pixels on the data bus so I don't see what else you could do
23:21:52Lars_Gbertrik: How does your build fork/differ off the original one?
23:21:53raroghm... but drawing function itself (the information sending those streams) should be identical with both screen types I think.
23:22:23pamauryyes, as far as I can tell
23:22:45gevaertskugel: I'm pretty sure this is related to the mrobe100 sim reds we used to get every now and then
23:23:30CIA-22New commit by kugel (r30941): Make pictureflow compile again.
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23:25:23kugelsomeone needs to check coldfire. there's asm in the resizer which I'm not 100% sure it still works (MAC() macro). I wanted to test this before commit but I forgot about that
23:25:38CIA-22r30941 build result: 18 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed)
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23:26:00kugelgevaerts: how can this be fixed?
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23:26:37kugelit seems strange as 'remote' is used unconditionally just the line above
23:26:38gevaertsWith lots of pain and suffering. It's basically a case of ifdef hell
23:27:44kugelyea, I noticed bmp.c/resize.c has lots of ifdefs for very little gain
23:27:56gevaertsBM_SIZE() probably eats the last argument on non-remote targets
23:28:11kugelespecially the #ifdef PLUGIN stuff makes it even more tricky
23:28:57gevaertsI know I had a go at fixing the occasional red a few weeks/month ago, but I gave up
23:29:50*kugel wonders how Unhelpful managed to write this in the first place :)
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23:32:05kugelaha, remote is only declared if HAVE_BMP_SCALING is also declared
23:32:20kugelwhich isn't the case for mrobe because it's mono display on the main unit
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23:34:36CIA-22New commit by kugel (r30942): Fix warning on mrobe100.
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23:36:28lebelliumbertrik dfkt: do you also have display issue with scrolling text in menus/lists? on my Zip the selector bar goes up to the left edge of the screen (so over the icon and the vertical scrolling bar) and it's like there is twice the text one over the other
23:36:29*gevaerts bets a warning will appear :)
23:36:47CIA-22r30942 build result: All green
23:37:07kugelgevaerts: nah, remote isn't unused anymore :)
23:37:10gevaertskugel: congratulations!
23:37:33kugelthanks! ;)
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23:39:15funmandoes clipzip OF use the full screen area?
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23:57:20rarogpamaury: where in the code is setup_lcd_pins() called?

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