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#rockbox log for 2011-11-09

00:02:45bertrikLars_G, I don't really have a custom build, I'm just working on getting features (like plugins) to work on clip zip
00:02:53bertriklebellium, not that I recall
00:03:03bertrikfunman, yes it appears so
00:03:35lebelliumbertrik: ok so that's another issue with my OLED panel.... :(
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00:09:38bertriklebellium, I'm not sure if your panel is at fault, I get a lot of weird behaviour when loading themes anyway
00:10:25lebelliumbertrik: I don't say it's the panel fault, I just say your current build doesn't support properly my panel^^
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00:12:57dfktlebellium, did you check the diagnostic menu, what make your screen is?
00:13:27lebelliumin the OF you mean?
00:16:46dfktthat's the fm chip
00:17:49lebelliumI don't know how is your screen but this one is definitely bad quality
00:18:46dfktthe visionox is pretty crappy too - large dot-pitch, streaking, bad color gamut
00:19:44dfktbut i can play doom better than on the clip+ :)
00:20:00lebelliumFor Doom I have the Samsung R0 :P
00:20:59lebelliumWell doom doesn't work on R0 for an unknown reason (base missing while there is there -_-) but rockboy and game plugins work well :D
00:29:26CIA-22New commit by dreamlayers (r30943): Remove last_sleep when it's not needed because IDE power is never turned off.
00:31:44CIA-22r30943 build result: All green
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00:48:25CIA-22New commit by wincent (r30944): Committing fix for FS #12249. Patch by Buschel. Further fixes for AIFF loader in PDBox in the future.
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00:50:24CIA-22r30944 build result: All green
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00:58:54JdGordonwhat was the script to build all targets>?
01:07:14JdGordonhmm, it is tools/release/ I wonder why its complainig about libucl.a for me :/
01:07:22JdGordonoh well, seems to be doing the ubilds anyway
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01:48:43Unhelpfulkugel: the bitmap loader? with all of the exceptions?
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02:01:26ezzieyguywufwhat cross-compiler do I need to build for development or the Cowon D2?
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02:36:31JdGordonmc2739: ping?
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02:51:25saratogaezzieyguywuf: our dev tools come with it FYI
02:52:07JdGordons/it/a script to build it/
02:55:46ezzieyguywufyup, just got done building it using the script, thanks!
02:55:53ezzieyguywufthat was very painless :-)
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02:57:49LyudeThey've only managed to crack the encryption on the 1st revision iPod classic 6th gen, correct
03:02:02saratogaLyude: theres really only one 6G, but yes its been cracked
03:02:18LyudeCould I put rockbox on a 6th gen 3rd revision then?
03:02:28LyudeIt'd save me the trouble of having to buy a Cowon X7 to play my flac
03:02:40saratogayes, see the wiki
03:04:06Lyudehm. Gives me a reason to learn assembly and such. Thanks!
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03:06:17mc2739JdGordon: pong
03:06:53JdGordonhey, thanks for testing :)
03:07:23JdGordonI was wondering if you were bored and wouldnt mind bisecting to help figure out which part of the diff broke images?
03:07:50mc2739you're welcome - sure, I could do that
03:08:17JdGordonhave you got your own git clone?
03:08:39JdGordonI can either send you a patch set, or you can just clone my git repo
03:09:15JdGordon29 commits, so whatever is easiest
03:12:31mc2739I guess I could clone your repo - what is the address?
03:13:06JdGordongit:// and then pull the
03:13:09JdGordonskinengine_to_offsets branch
03:14:01JdGordonI checked this morning before work and both your bugs show in the sim so at least it shold be quick to test :)
03:14:09JdGordonI'm at work or i'd do it myself
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03:30:08saratogagoogling rockbox to see what people say about us is surprisingly amusing:
03:30:15saratoga"FiiO decided to use a Wolfson chip which can't support Rockbox. "
03:30:33saratoga"So, I could be wrong about the that. But I got the impression that Rockbox is only for rockchip based players and X3 doesn't use rockchip."
03:30:36saratogawho knew!
03:31:13saratogaa surprising number of people think we're the chinese company behind rockchip players
03:43:34JdGordonwe arent?!
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03:46:11saratogaRockbox will not be possible on a player using rockchip because they have the SDK under lock and key and seem to make everyone that uses a rockchip in there players sign there life away if that sdk gets leaked.
03:47:29saratogaaren't these the people who have copies of their SDK all over google?
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04:19:47mc2739JdGordon: 99e9881 broke images, f48c468 broke radio
04:19:56JdGordonawesome :)
04:20:00JdGordonthanks alot
04:20:12mc2739no problem, glad to help
04:20:45JdGordonnoticed any other issues?
04:21:44mc2739some viewport placement issues with my theme, but I have not had much time to pin down a repro recipe
04:22:45JdGordonfortunately specific issues should hopefully be simple to fix once they are found :)
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08:57:53kugelraaa is broken, buflib freezes on core_alloc() (handle metadata is being overwriteb by something)
09:11:02kugelit seems to be related to 32bit bitmaps, as it doesnt happen on e200
09:11:16kugel(cabbiev2 for raaa has such bitmaps)
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09:30:44JdGordonisnt raaa your usual test target? :)
09:32:17kugelwell, I did test on it
09:32:33kugelpresumably it's related to the core_shrink() calls I added late in development
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09:46:17JdGordonmc2739: fms fixed, now for the conditinoals
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10:40:04arcolIm interested in some kind of mp3 player to replace my babytoys internal chip and use custom music.
10:41:23arcolThe goal is having an mp3 player which could act to 15-25 physical buttons and play the corresponding mp3/ogg file. The bonus would be keycombos. (ie. a.mp3, b.mp3 c.mp3, ab.mp3 (pressing button a then button b)
10:41:35arcolany idea if rockbox could be used to support this usecase?
10:43:29gevaertsrockbox as such, I'd say yes
10:44:38gevaertsI'm not sure if you can add enough buttons to any of the players it currently runs on though. Do you have specific hardware in mind?
10:49:35arcolfor the babytoy or for the mp3 player?
10:50:11gevaertsthe mp3 player
10:50:33arcolI have none
10:50:38arcolI can buy which ever suits the best
10:52:08wodzI'd say something with touchscreen and write plugin for this - that way it should be possible to map dozen of buttons to some actions
10:53:06arcolthis is the babytoy:
10:53:34arcolit has 9 physical button (or 12) if I remember right
10:53:50arcoland on-off, and language selector
10:54:36wodzI don't get what you try to achieve honestly
10:54:39gevaertsHow much space do you have inside? That's a bit hard to guess from the photo
10:54:48Zagorwodz: replace the sounds with his own
10:55:04arcolgevaerts: the cube itself is about 20x20cm
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10:55:16wodzah ok, but how he wants to support buttons then? hard solder to board?
10:55:35gevaertsMaybe a mini2440 would fit?
10:56:13arcolgevaerts: its a bit overkill, no?
10:56:33arcolI was expecting to stay within 40USD price range.
10:56:33wodzI'd say that simple avr based hardware where raw samples are on sd connected to SPI and output from simple PWM based dac is all what needed
10:56:36arcolwodz: exactly
10:56:44wodzmuch simpler than adapting rockbox
10:57:00*gevaerts nods
10:57:04arcolwodz: and the quality is about this:
10:57:16arcolyou can understand it, but not pleasant to listen to it
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10:59:26gevaertsYou need something with enough IO capabilities. I don't think you want to try to replace the buttons on a common mp3 player with wires to these buttons, so I'd say you need one of (a) a player with an accessory port and a custom accessory, (b) some sort of dev board, (c) entirely custom hardware
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11:00:22wodzyou could use hw mp3 decoder VS1001 or similar. There are tons of homebrew mp3 players around avr+vs1001 combo
11:01:01wodzah yes, ipod with custom accessory could do
11:01:28wodzbut still you would need to modify rockbox or write custom plugin
11:03:02gevaertsI'd say building a custom accessory and adding the necessary bits to rockbox is going to be as much work as doing a microcontroller-based design
11:03:18gevaerts(speaking as someone who doesn't know much hardware stuff)
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11:04:53wodzHacking something like this should be the easiest solution IMO
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11:07:24gevaertsarcol: looks interesting
11:08:33arcolgevaerts: indeed
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11:09:16gevaertsI'm not sure if it can do the combinations, but a serial connection to a microcontroller can apperently fix that
11:10:17arcolthank you guys for the nice links
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11:10:23arcolI will read up more on them
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12:01:09pamauryZoiah: ping
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12:24:37Zoiahpamaury: pang. :)
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12:41:05pamauryZoiah: did you make some progress on the gogear ? Did you open it and took some photos ?
12:43:16Zoiahpamaury: been very busy, sorry. I should have some time this evening.
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13:04:06pamauryno problem
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14:43:13JdGordonmc2739: hey, got a link to a theme with a sbs?
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16:11:55GodEater_Torne: you still have some music invites left?
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16:45:55freddybCould someone who knows dircache and buflib take a look at FS #12344? The bug is only causing crashes in a few cases but it's wasting gobs of RAM if dircahe is enabled after boot.
16:45:56fs-bluebot Sansa Clip+: PANIC occurred when dircache is enabled (bugs, unconfirmed)
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16:50:12kugelfreddyb: should be fixed in r30893
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16:52:58kugelfreddyb: oh wait, maybe it isnt
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16:53:50freddybThe most reliable error production was on Clip+ with lots of files and tagccahe in ram.
16:54:40freddybIf you test, look at the memory holes, as that was part of what I was working on.
16:55:31kugelfreddyb: if the problem is really holes before the biggest free block, then core_alloc_maximum() should trigger a compaction before serving the alloc
16:55:41kugelso that all free space is merged
16:55:54kugelI think that would work
16:57:12freddybbut the audio file buffer is already allocated and can't move so compaction will fail...
16:58:19freddybturn on dircache and then look at the buflib allocations
16:59:38freddybyou really can't do core_alloc_maximum() after all the memory is allocated, right? core_alloc_max() doesn't know about shrinking, right?
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17:02:38freddybgonna be on the road for a bit.
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19:24:57Lars_GMeh bertik went away
19:30:12funmanLars_G: he reads channel logs so just write what you wannasay
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19:36:20Lars_GNah I just wanted to say I'd love to see a working zip port soon (fully working), I've had too many hardware problems with my old e200 (lcd) and a vuze (scrollweel) and I'm thinking a zip might be better next year
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20:05:26dreamlayersOn my 5G iPod, in the r30944 build if I play an album and skip tracks quickly, I get a data abort at 000316AC (0). The address I got in my build was just after output_row_8_native in At first, playing through the album normally led to a lockup.
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20:12:21gevaertsdreamlayers: I'd blame kugel. He touched that code recently I think
20:20:35CIA-22New commit by dreamlayers (r30945): Fix assembler .size directives. Currently used binutils don't complain, but 2.21.1 treats these as errors.
20:22:43CIA-22r30945 build result: All green
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20:42:15dreamlayersgevaerts: Yeah, I see the transparency support in r30937. I'm unable to reproduce it with r30755, so that may be the cause. I'm also unable to reproduce in the sim.
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20:55:58MazzeHello altogether. I have bought myself not a portable audio device, but one with GNU/Linux preinstalled and closed. It is a TEAC WAP-R8900 ( ). I am very happy with the hardware and sound, but unsatisfied with the software, and so I thought about starting to change the software or start an alternative one myself.
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20:56:43MazzeI know programming, but not yet C, and I know compiling, but not yet crosscompiling. I wanted to ask, if somebody could give me a hint how I could start off.
20:57:56Lars_GYou should start off reading about firmware and trying to determine if the thing's fw is encrypted or not.
21:00:01MazzeAll I have is what TEAC provides, which seems to be already everything hardware-related: (257 MB).
21:00:04gevaertsMazze: have you read yet?
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21:03:24alienkid10pamaury: I saw someone posted a patch in the thread. Is it for the second LCD? Any confirmation whether it works? Or need someone to test it? (I would)
21:04:31saratogado you mean the one that adds code comments?
21:04:58alienkid10I think so
21:05:11alienkid10that latest post on the Fuze+ thread
21:05:14saratogaadding comments shouldn't change the compiled code
21:05:52alienkid10ok wasn't sure if it was for 2nd LCD or just comments
21:06:04alienkid10I'm new to this thing
21:06:10Mazzegevaerts Thank you, I did not read it yet, but I will do it. I have to admit, I did not think about encrypted firmwares ... if that would be the case, I think I would have to cancel the idea ... :(
21:06:15alienkid10don't really know coding
21:06:50gevaertsMazze: if you have linux kernel source and config, some of those steps are probably less needed
21:08:05saratogawow that tarball actually has documention, build tools, etc
21:09:07saratogaMazze: you won't be able to do much without being able to program in c
21:09:19saratogabut i guess you could try and build the stock firmware and see if those instructions actually work
21:09:30ukleinekand if it's capable to run Linux, why bother about (native) rockbox?
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21:10:21saratogayeah you could do an application build
21:10:47saratogaarm9E @240MHz is a bit slowish compared to android devices, but still servicable for something simple like this
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21:12:12Mazzegevaerts: TEAC provides the kernel source and the drivers, and the build scripts. But I assume, encryption would be a show-stopper ...
21:13:14ukleinekMazze: if they are reasonable enough to give you a source that complete you can be optimistic that there is no encryption I think
21:13:43saratogaMazze: they bothered to type up build and install directions, its a good bet they didn't try to hard to keep you from running code
21:13:59Mazzesaratoga thank you for giving it a look. It did look promising to me, too, but I at least discovered, that the user interface software part is missing; most probably proprietary. But if I were able to SSH into the box and the running system, I would be happy to learn to code in C and do my own interface, maybe port some rockbox ;)
21:14:01saratogausually if they've locked down the hardware they'll just dump the source without documentation (since they realize its useless)
21:15:42saratogaheh they even included the binaries for all the codecs
21:15:44MazzeSo, the most critical point seems to me to learn how to flash the thing so that I can get into it without bricking it. The binary upgrades from TEAC are some format I don't recognise (or "file" does not recognise it).
21:16:06saratogathey may not actually be a file format, but just a raw memory dump
21:16:14saratogaor that with some minimum header
21:20:33user890104can someone please reopen FS #12210 for an update, or i need to open a new task?
21:20:34fs-bluebot Bulgarian translation update (patches, closed)
21:21:10saratogauser890104: if its new words, just open a new task
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21:21:58ukleinekMazze: which architecture is that thing using?
21:22:26MazzeARM, I think
21:23:45user890104saratoga: added as FS #12379
21:23:45fs-bluebot Bulgarian translation update, part 2 (patches, unconfirmed)
21:23:58ukleinekMazze: do you recognize ARM code?
21:24:28user890104what is the policy for changing already translated strings?
21:24:29ukleinektry $(xxd $image | head -n 40)
21:24:38Mazzeukleinek Maybe I don't understand the question ...
21:25:00user890104i noticed that some things are translated literally and the meaning is not correct for the context
21:25:02Mazzeukleinek with $image you mean the binary download from TEAC?
21:25:25gevaertsuser890104: I'd say fix those
21:26:09ukleinekMazze: yeah
21:26:39user890104gevaerts: ok, i'll review the whole lang file and post the changes
21:26:47MazzeI see "UMDA ... app.ext2 ...." some numbers, and later ".. ustar ... maxyin .."
21:26:50user890104i could also make a translation for rbutil
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21:29:11ukleinekustar could be a tar IIRC
21:29:23ukleinekMazze: can you pastebin it?
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21:34:28Mazzeukleinek ustar is a tar format, yes. I pasted the dump to
21:34:53Mazzethe binary file is also publicly downloadable at
21:37:20ukleinekxxd -a would be more interesting
21:38:55ukleinekit seems to include a svn wc
21:39:10Mazzexxd -a on
21:39:20ukleinekMazze: I have the file already :-)
21:45:02ukleinekMazze: try: dd if=WAP-R8900- bs=16 skip=1 of=WAP-R8900-
21:45:17ukleinekMazze: tar tf WAP-R8900-
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21:47:31Mazzeukleinek :D
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22:04:58MazzeOkay, thank you all for having a look into the tarball. I think, what TEAC provides is a promising basis. I am not yet sure, if I can build myself a manipulated image file, as I don't know what the first 16 bytes are, but if you have any idea that could help me, that would be great :)
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22:13:15TheLemonMan16 bytes, might be a sha hash ? but its more likely its just archive size plus the md5
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22:16:17MazzeTheLemonMan When I use md5sum on the .tar-File, the md5 sum is much longer than 16 bytes ...
22:17:13gevaertsThose 16 bytes are not a hash. They
22:17:17Mazzeat least the last three characters in hex match ...
22:17:17gevaerts're too ASCII for that
22:17:30Lars_GI try again today
22:17:46Lars_GOh wait I think I have the info I need
22:18:57n1sTthe UMDA looks very much like a file "magic marker"
22:19:06TheLemonManUMDA looks like a magic, there must be the archive size in the header and the 0101 looks like a version
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22:27:56MazzeFrom my user point of view, the main problem is performance/sluggishness of the interface. I thought about replacing the application there with a much simpler, less beautiful one, that does the everyday-job more directly and faster. But I don't really recognise where the performance could go lost, maybe this is a hardware-issue anyway, or maybe it could be much faster by using less bitmaps ...
22:28:57n1sit could also just be done in an inefficient way
22:30:08MazzeOTOH, I would really be happy to add a feature that was always on my wishlist: NFS client support. I now have to do mediatomb on my NFS-Server just for this device, and I don't find that really what I want ...
22:31:04n1sah it does network?
22:31:31Mazzeabsolutely! It does WLAN, and Internet-Radio, and UPnP and all the stuff :)
22:31:53MazzeThis in combination with OGG support, and still with FM-Radio was the cause I bought it
22:32:06Mazze(aside a fair price and good sound quality)
22:32:46MazzeIt was our replacement for the old FM-Radio with CD-Player and Audio Cassette deck, as we had everything music on our NFS-Server anyway.
22:32:52n1sthen you probably don't want a native rockbox port and really hope the ui app is not handling anything important
22:33:55MazzeBut now we don't use the device very often for anything more than FM-Radio, as it is always a bit sluggish to start playing some directory ...
22:34:38TheLemonManif it runs a linux kernel you could simply write just another interface
22:34:50Mazzen1s I understand. I think, from what I found out until now, I may be lucky, as it seems that there are many middleware things that do the audio stuff.
22:35:22n1sTheLemonMan: that depends on how the original ui was implemented
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22:35:35MazzeTheLemonMan That was my initial idea anyway, but I did not now how to start to get into the machine, and I hoped for rockbox-people being able to help −− and you were! :D
22:36:28TheLemonManwell, writing a firmware from scratch is overkill on your platform
22:36:56MazzeI may still not know what the first 16 bytes of the flashing image are, and I might be afraid of bricking the device ... but I'll have to see. Maybe there is another way to get into the box without having to flash it with a manipulated image ... (VNC is open at all times ...)
22:37:39TheLemonManopen the tar and look into the init scripts, there must be the one that checks for the firmware file and unpacks it
22:38:14MazzeTheLemonMan I hear you ...
22:38:22TheLemonManonce you find where it's done it's just a matter of reversing the tiny app that does some checks and strips off the header
22:38:51TheLemonManthe player i hacked was using the same fw format, but it had xor'd blocks too
22:40:39Mazzethe firmware update on the player is usually started "manually" with the GUI and the remote. So, maybe I'm not lucky here, as it could be some binary program, for which the source code is not available ...
22:43:50TheLemonMani don't think youll need more than 5 mins with IDA to discover how it's done heh
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