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#rockbox log for 2011-11-19

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00:25:00pamauryarg, I hate this ida bug about wrapping at 0xffffffff
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00:31:39openstandardsjust wanted to say i've installed rockbox onto my sansa fuze v1... and thanks for such an amazing project
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03:55:31webguest00how do i 'extract and run'?
03:56:57funmanwebguest00: use rockbox utility
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04:02:09webguest00i'm confused. the part i'm missing, a choice i never saw is in about the 1:00 mark in this video. http://bit.ly/vpFRG0
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04:02:49webguest00i never get an option to 'extract & run'
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04:06:11webguest00he moves through the screens quickly, and its hard to figure out exactly what/how he is getting from the downloaded file he clicks on to a screen which gives him an 'extract and run' choice i never get
04:07:34funmanwebguest00: no idea what you are talking about
04:07:57funmanhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility#Download
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04:12:26webguest00i don't know how to 'extract and run' scripts on a zip file after downloading the file.
04:12:55funmanuse rockbox utility, it's simpler
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04:14:40*mystica555_ commented that 'rockbox is not linux'
04:14:55webguest00i've tried that. it skips a step shown in the video, it never asks to 'extract and run', so it never loads the screen which lets me choose an OS
04:15:44mystica555_thats telling you what to do. you yourself extract the file, and run the command
04:16:19webguest00ok tks i'll try again
04:16:19mystica555_what operating system are you using ?
04:19:34funmanwebguest00: there's no extract & run
04:20:02funmando you know how to unzip the file ?
04:22:03webguest00i'm using windows 7 and no i don't know how to unzip file, just downloaded 7zip.
04:23:21mystica555_yeah 7zip is a good start
04:23:38mystica555_then extract it to a folder, and from within the folder should be the rbutil program to run
04:24:38webguest00ok tks
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09:53:00falco99is there any (old) stable build for the Fuze that supports USB?
09:53:43falco99i'm getting sick of having to hit the OF for even so much as usb connectivity... being stuck with an old version (if there's a stable one where usb works at least) would be cake by comparison
09:57:45n1susb seems to work on my fuze
09:58:17falco99what version of RB are you using? in the last stable release it's disabled
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10:00:05falco99http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12184
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10:01:58n1ssome random test build probably i think it's hung during transfer at some point but mostly works
10:02:27funmanfuzev1 has had usb working for years, fuzev2 not
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10:05:03falco99funman: ah, thanks for the clarification. i was under the impression that it was all fuze's, but it makes sense that it would just be v2.
10:05:13falco99since the hardware is so different i guess.
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10:17:33webguest76I have a problem with my rockbox x5
10:19:08n1swebguest76: if you say what the problem is it's a lot easier for people to help
10:21:15webguest76When i plugin my iaudio x5 it don't connect to my pc?
10:22:52webguest76And when you want to connect you iaudio system you need to do it with the USBHOST? or no?
10:23:07n1sno
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10:24:41n1sthe usb device port is on the subpack iirc
10:25:09pixelmaand the USB host port is not supported at all
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11:38:39bertrikJdGordon, RDS is basically working now on the clip zip and the gigabeat-s. The only problem for me seems to be that RDS data in the WFMS is not shown until a button is pressed. Can you help me with that?
11:38:58JdGordonsure
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11:41:03JdGordondid you add new tags?
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11:43:51bertrikno, we're using the existing ones
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11:44:15bertrikthe idea is that tuner_get(RADIO_EVENT) returns true if RDS data changed
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11:44:46bertrik(there could still be a problem with that in the tuner driver, but I don't think so)
11:46:46JdGordonthe skin should automatically pick up the changes the next time it updates
11:46:57JdGordonwhich should happen (by the looks of it) at worst HZ/5
11:47:24JdGordonmake sure the skin_update() call (around line 763 in radio.c) gets called
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11:49:15JdGordonit looks like it should
11:49:29JdGordonreally radio.c needs to be blown away and written again
11:49:31JdGordonits so crap :)
11:50:03n1syes
11:52:56bertrikyeah it's a bit ugly and long but I can't see any obvious bug with it either
11:53:43JdGordonalot of the mess is because it was never fixed when we moved to actions
11:53:50JdGordonand then skins were hacked into it :)
11:56:01[7]who is the current ipodpatcher maintainer? still linuxstb?
11:56:30JdGordonthat sounds like you are volanteering
11:56:55n1sif it has a maintainer i'd say linuxstb
11:57:07[7]nah, i'm volunteering to look into writing a bootloader if someone takes over the installation part :)
11:57:38n1sfor the classic?
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11:57:56bertrikoh, I do see a bug in the RDS code, we're treating an enum as a boolean, but shouldn't matter that much
11:58:52[7]n1s: yes
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11:59:50n1sand the installation would be through some RE:d update protocol?
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12:01:08[7]yes, user890104 is apparently working on RE'ing that
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12:13:35n1s[7]: i just confirmed that usb on my classic works with svn so should i close the FS #12083 patch?
12:13:36fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12083 Add delay to usb-s3c6400x init to fix usb hang on some ipod classics (patches, new)
12:14:13[7]n1s: it's still unreliable
12:14:30[7]but i'd assume that it's a different problem
12:15:25[7]that patch has been committed (oops, forgot to mention that in FS), so the FS task can probably be closed
12:15:53n1smaybe, i havent' heard any more reports of it making usb worse on nano2g so i guess theres no reason to revert even if it isn't perfect
12:16:12[7]I'm still wondering if we'll get nano2g regression reports, as none of the people that helped me test this patch could reproduce any problems, but you mentioned a regression on FS
12:16:13n1syeah i'll close it
12:16:49n1syeah iirc Buschel and saint reported that they got less reliable connections
12:16:55[7]it's only enabled for the classic in the release branch, and for both in trunk
12:17:19[7]hm, I didn't get further reports from then
12:17:21[7]them*
12:17:24bertrikpamaury, didn't we look at one of the rockbox USB drivers a few weeks ago, and conclude that we found some bugs in it? I can't remember which usb driver it was.
12:17:26n1si guess we'll just have to wait and see
12:19:55[7]I'm pretty sure there are bugs - I suspect multiple ones
12:20:12[7]apparently we have memory corruption on the ipod classic - not sure where that's coming from though
12:20:32[7]and we have this weird EHCI issue on linux (is that specific to the s3c6400x driver btw?)
12:24:54pamaurybertrik: there was the bug to memory corruption because of dma
12:25:02bertrikI remember a clear-on-write confusion bug, where you have to write a bit using reg = (1<<bit) to clear it, and it was cleared using reg |= (1<<bit)
12:25:19pamaurythat was the s3c2440 sd driver :)
12:25:25bertrikthe latter clears *all* status bits instead of just one
12:25:35bertrikoh, ok
12:25:53pamaurybut yeah, the usb bug probably apply to the clip+ one
12:25:59pamaury*"bug"
12:26:59[7]so clip+ is using my s3c driver as well?
12:28:40pamaury[7]: I rewrote it because it would not work at the beginning but someone once reported the s3c one was basically working (ie had the same failures that mine)
12:28:53pamauryI also rewrote one in PIO mode instead of DMA but wasn't reliable either
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12:29:55pamaurybut I haven't looked at this for some time now, perhaps I'll do a new try tonight
12:30:36pamauryI might be the only one but I still believe that it only works reliably with an sd card inserted
12:30:36[7]hm, in that case you could have reimplemented that bug as well :)
12:30:41[7]but checking that is trivial
12:30:50pamaury[7]: but not in PIO mode !
12:31:47[7]that depends on where you put your data after reading it from the OTG
12:32:00[7]maybe your copying loop is overflowing the buffer as well?
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12:33:08pamauryit was checking for bound, I'm pretty sure, but I wouldn't swear after so long
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12:37:22Poodlemastah7, if you get a new bootloader, won't you still have the i2c OF bug?
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12:39:03[7]Poodlemastah: i hope this one will go away if we let apple initialize the hardware instead of doing it using our own code
12:40:05[7]hm, something fails while trying to enable multitasking when we boot through apple's bootloader
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12:45:50Poodlemastah7, If you ever need a guniea pig, I've got a 1g and a 3g classic to test on.
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12:56:18*[7] suspects we're running into an IRQ storm
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13:01:25[7]hm yeah, we need to silence the ATA IRQ
13:06:25[7]hm, the ATA IRQ is hammering for no apparent reason, even though we seem to just ack everything it says, no matter whether we expected it or not
13:21:02[7]yeah!
13:21:12*[7] just booted emcore from the firmware partition :)
13:21:43PoodlemastahCongratulations 7. :)
13:22:01pamaurycongrat
13:24:00[7]now it's "just" a matter of writing a proper bootloader and an installer for it
13:24:58PoodlemastahHey, that's the "simple" part. :P
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13:31:50[7]and sorting out the remaining incompatibilities
13:33:12[7]584 power on hours, 21291 start/stops, 1247 retracts, 4832 reallocs, 3376 pending sectors :/
13:34:00*[7] wonders what on earth the previous owner of that ipod has done to it
13:34:41bertrikyou got that from SMART?
13:34:48PoodlemastahWhat the.. iTennisball?
13:37:44user890104158 power on hours, 106 start/stops, 102 retracts, 259 reallocs, 56 pending sectors here
13:40:15bertrik[7], that's 36 start/stops per hour on average :B
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14:12:13amiconnIt seems that SMART data has to be taken with a grain of salt
14:14:17amiconnSlightly related, my linux box has 3 disks, one ssd and two hdds. The ssd reports 1757 power-on hours, the hdds are reporting 11841 and 14057 hour respectively. Actual power-on hours should be ~2800
14:14:30amiconn(4 months)
14:22:48[7]the data looks consistent to me
14:23:06[7]especially the 3376 pendings are very noticable
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14:26:13JdGordonis HAVE_BACKDROP_IMAGE a good #define to replace "#if LCD_DEPTH > 1 || defined(HAVE_REMOTE_LCD) && LCD_REMOTE_DEPTH > 1" or anyone got a better one?
14:26:18bertrikargument count in function lcd_write_data is the number of pixels, not number of bytes, right?
14:26:51bertrikit's a bit confusing since the prototype in lcd.h is void lcd_write_data(const fb_data* p_bytes, int count)
14:27:15bertrik(as if it takes a pointer to bytes)
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14:46:28CIA-22New commit by jdgordon (r31027): Get rid of a really annoying #ifdef line to check if backdrop support should be enabled
14:47:11JdGordonbertrik: you know the fix for that then right?
14:48:23bertrikJdGordon, for what, the radio enum thing in the RDS code I mentioned?
14:48:42CIA-22r31027 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed)
14:48:44JdGordonno, the lcd_write_data() args
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15:13:23[7]hm, do we have efficient byte swapping code for rather huge buffers?
15:18:33n1sdon't think so
15:22:57n1s[7]: what ehci bug btw?
15:26:17n1shmm i seem to remember something with ehci and the initial install
15:27:48[7]at least all of my ipods (don't know about other RB targets) trigger some bug in the ehci_hcd kernel module of certain kernel versions, causing mounts to take ages because it's doing bus resets all the time
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15:28:22[7]would be interesting to know if that's related to my USB driver or if it happens with other targets as well
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15:48:17[7]hmm, that's a tough choice
15:48:39[7]either we need to take a disk access performance hit, or we need to kill all user data during installation
15:50:18[7]don't ask me why apple has connected the PATA data bits the wrong way round...
15:50:53[7]so we'll either have to do byte swapping on the fly, or reformat the HDD with different endianness
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16:57:04falco99JdGordon: have you considered making an update to the random directory plugin? in android it is almost unusable because it starts listing all directories starting at root, and of course the android root seems to contain thousands of useless or arbitrary directories, none of which are user-accessible anyway
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17:03:56falco99as far as an update (at least one hardcoded for android targets) i'm thinking along the lines of adding a dialog to pick the root directory it will scan from. bonus if it lets me choose from an arbitrary number of different ones.
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17:12:16gevaertsfalco99: you know about .rockbox/folder_advance_dir.txt?
17:12:33gevaertsOr am I misunderstanding what you mean?
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18:44:17[7]does anyone have an opinion on the ipod classic issue?
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18:45:09[7]n1s: what do you think?
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18:51:59pamaurywhich issue ?
18:52:37PoodlemastahAs a simple user, which doesnt count for much, I would prefer a reformat.
18:55:05pamauryah the byte swapping issue
18:55:19CIA-22New commit by bertrik (r31029): Sansa clip zip: workaround for wisechip display - always copy an entire horizontal strip in lcd_update_rect
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18:58:53bertrikaaaaaah, RED!
18:59:16[7]bertrik: recorder breakage?
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19:03:24SynrGis it possible to invert video *only* for rockboy?
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19:03:44SynrGi can see myself doing this quite a bit to make things legible on the clip+
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19:06:39SynrGe.g. my daughter is playing super mario land 2 (gb) on her clip right now and finds the contrast greatly improved so as to make the game quite a bit more playable
19:06:46SynrGclip+, even
19:07:08SynrGbut in general, inverse is annoying (and probably more power hungry?) for everything but rockboy
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19:10:26funmanshould be possible by recompiling rockboy
19:10:36SynrGthis may vary on a game-by-game basis, of course. so perhaps in the context menu for rockboy, if inverse were an option (remembered automatically per game) ... that may be ideal
19:11:20SynrGoh. is it a compile-time option, then, or some small amount of coding required?
19:13:24funmanthe latter
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19:14:33SynrGwill take a look at it when i have some time then, thanks
19:15:10SynrGbtw, loving rockbox. now on my third day using it. have it installed on 3 clip+ systems and 2 fuzes in the household
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19:15:53SynrGwill probably install it on two more clip+ units by christmas
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19:20:15funmanbe sure to check out the networked doom then
19:20:24funmanoh crap it doesn't exist yet :(
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19:21:20SynrGheh
19:21:51SynrGwell, i really haven't loads of time to contribute. but good luck with that
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19:42:58SynrG3.9.1 is in /branches/3_9? since i have the stable release installed on all these systems, i assume i need to start with fetching this branch instead of /trunk as HowToCompile suggests
19:43:27SynrGer, /branches/v3_9/ even
19:46:26gevaertsSynrG: yes. If you want 3.9.1 with that one modification, that's what you need.
19:47:24gevaertsHowToCompile points to trunk because in the vast majority of cases there's not much reason to start developing something on a stable branch
19:47:44SynrGmakes perfect sense
19:48:23SynrGin principle *i* have no problem running developer releases, but i'm catering to a family of non-technical users with various tolerances for breakage
19:48:43SynrGgenerally i use stable releases of things unless there's a compelling reason to do otherwise
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19:52:52SynrGgevaerts: most of my usable spare time for dev during the week is on the daily commute. this constrains me to a 64-bit atom netbook (n450) with 2G of ram and a 60G ssd. naturally, i'm used to the constraints this places on development ... on such a platform are build tasks impractically long, or just painfully slow? :)
19:53:42gevaertswhich OS?
19:53:46SynrGdebian sid
19:53:55gevaertsShould be fine then
19:54:00SynrGk
19:55:15gevaertsA full build should take a few minutes at most
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19:55:48SynrGgood. well, building the cross-compiler toolchain now. i guess that's considerably longer
19:55:52gevaertsAnd if you're working on just a few files, you're almost never doing a full build
19:55:57*SynrG nods
19:56:42gevaertsThe toolchain takes between ten minutes and ten hours depending on the system. The "hours" end of the spectrum is systems using cygwin
19:56:54SynrGhorrors
19:56:56gevaertsThat;s why I asked about your OS
19:57:00SynrG:)
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20:34:22*[7] wonders what to do about the ipod classic's partitioning
20:34:35SynrGgevaerts: wasn't too bad. just finished
20:34:53[7]apparently there are usually two cascaded partition tables on those...
20:35:03SynrGso, under an hr
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20:39:41wodz[7]: regarding byteswap ata - archoses (SH) and MPIOs (CF) have this as well. Our byteswapping code is buried in ata drivers for thouse.
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20:40:18[7][20:30:38] -*- [7] facepalms
20:40:18[7][20:32:25] <[7]> seriously. why on earth would one swap these bytes in software if the hardware can do it by simply setting a bit in a control register!?
20:40:18[7][20:33:40] <[7]> why do I have to disassemble a 10MB OF blob to figure that out?
20:40:18DBUGEnqueued KICK [7]
20:40:18[7][20:34:04] <[7]> why didn't they just do it the right way in diagmode / disk mode as well?
20:40:18[7][20:34:13] <[7]> i mean, they could have just used the OF's driver in disk mode as well!
20:40:20[7][20:35:01] <[7]> we'll definitely need to break compatibility with old ipod classic emcore/rockbox installations rather soon
20:40:26[7]wodz: so that seems to have been resolved :)
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21:06:46*[7] wonders how to best handle the format transition
21:07:56[7]there isn't really a way by which we could warn users that they'll lose their data
21:08:11[7]and emcore/rockbox will have to be updated at the same time
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21:09:04gevaerts[7]: would the upgrade procedure do the format change automatically?
21:09:04morganwkAAAAAAAHHHHHH
21:09:14morganwkrockbox formatted my music
21:09:38[7]gevaerts: yes, the hard way
21:09:49morganwkwhen I booted, my ipod made this terrible screeching noise and then there were no files in my albums
21:09:59SynrGpardon the newbie questions. it's unclear to me in HowToCompile if the 'fullzip' target produces something equivalent to the complete install or whether just 'make zip' is sufficient
21:10:00morganwkall of the music files are GONE
21:10:26*[7] looks at gevaerts
21:10:45morganwkcan somebody help?
21:10:53[7]SynrG: make fullzip == make zip + fonts package IIRC
21:11:03morganwkwhy the heck would all my music files suddenly be gone?
21:11:07gevaertsmorganwk: did the noise come from the ipod, or from the headphones?
21:11:18[7]so make zip is what's usually distributed to end users
21:11:18[7]morganwk: broken hard drive?
21:11:44morganwkI don't know./
21:11:48SynrG[7]: ok, tnx. the font files are installed separately, then, outside of the zip, by the installer?
21:12:11[7]also, what kind of ipod?
21:12:44[7]SynrG: some font files are also included in make zip, and the extra ones can be installed separately through the rockbox utility
21:13:05morganwkwhen I booted it, it (the actual hardware) made a terrible noise and when rb loaded and I looked in my music folder, there were no music files. The folder structure remained intact. iPod 5g
21:13:13SynrGk
21:13:37morganwkoh
21:13:40morganwkI feel really stupid
21:13:54morganwkI think I had it set to only display playlists
21:14:27morganwkyep
21:14:32morganwkfalse alarm
21:14:45morganwkbut that doesn't explain the noise!!
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21:15:13morganwkIt was a terrible high pitched version of the noise it makes when updating the database
21:15:42saratogahead crash on the hard disk?
21:15:53morganwki don't know
21:16:07SynrGmight want to check the S.M.A.R.T. status
21:16:12saratogado you have a ton of bad sectors on the disk?
21:16:33morganwkactually
21:16:48morganwkit has been acting strangely for the past year
21:17:04morganwkonce it put all my music out of order
21:17:09morganwkI think it is just old
21:17:17SynrGmake sure you have good backups
21:17:41morganwkI do
21:17:57morganwkwe have like several solid months of music on the computer
21:18:02morganwkmaybe even a year
21:18:08morganwkit's like 500 gb
21:18:20[7]does the ipod video diagmode have SMART support?
21:18:20[7]if yes, you might want to check that
21:18:33morganwknow that I am done with rockbox giving me a heart attack,
21:18:36morganwkwait
21:18:42morganwkI do have another prob
21:19:04morganwkwhen I try to use the iClassic or iLike skins, it doesn't work
21:19:07SynrGwell, if it were me, i'd want to image the drive in case. there's a fair amount of time invested in getting everything "just so" on the system
21:19:26morganwkit just shows data
21:19:29morganwklike decibels and volts
21:19:34morganwkand song title
21:19:36morganwkno graphics
21:20:59morganwkI think I am going to make a vista theme
21:21:07morganwkand make it actualy look like vista
21:21:19morganwkor LCARS command interface from star trek
21:21:22morganwkeither one
21:22:33morganwkhow do you make a theme? Is there an editor or do you have to dive into configs? I hate doing that...
21:23:49SynrGuse the wiki? http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS apparently
21:24:32morganwkdo you know much about star trek?
21:25:08SynrGwell, as much as the average geek. but this is OT for here, i suspect
21:25:41morganwkI might make a LCARS command interface skin
21:26:37SynrGapparently it has been done, at least for the e200 target.
21:27:12morganwknot for 5g
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21:31:44[7]gevaerts: there are two possibilities:
21:33:12[7]if the user updates rockbox first, it will just not work. if he reformats the drive through rockbox, emcore will not be able to load rockbox any more during the next boot and load the fallback image, which will now also not work, and if the user reformats again he'll be back to the first non-working state. not very desirable.
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21:34:13*gevaerts nods
21:34:39[7]if the user updates emcore first, it will reformat the drive during installation (and warn the user before doing that), and flash a new rockbox fallback image. the regular rockbox binary will be gone, so if the user installs a recent rockbox build after that, everything will be fine. if the user installs an old build though, it won't work, and formatting through that build will run into the same trouble as above
21:35:44gevaertshm
21:35:56[7]in theory we could make rockbox detect the current hdd endianness and make it work with both, and let the next emcore update do the transition, but I don't really like that kind of magic, especially as rockbox won't know what to do if the user will ever trash his MBR
21:36:26gevaertsI'd go for trying to detect the situation and show a good error message
21:36:46[7]which could again lead to ipods formatted in a way that rockbox can access but emcore can't boot
21:37:14[7]hm, can we even show an error message? is this running on the UI thread?
21:37:29gevaertsYes
21:38:29[7]OTOH this is an unusable port... how many people are even using it?
21:38:37[7]and in the long run we'll probably want to get rid of emcore
21:38:51[7]so one could postpone it until that happens
21:39:19gevaertsYes, doing this to e.g. the h1x0 would be a lot worse
21:39:53[7]which brings up the next question: the ipod classic installation is going to be tricky
21:40:45[7]even though I've found a way to inject code into the firmware image on the HDD, writing that image before rockbox is installed isn't really easy
21:41:30[7]there's a bunch of vendor-specific scsi commands involved in accessing it, and from what I can tell you can't easily access just a couple of sectors, instead you'll have to write the whole firmware partition at once
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21:41:55[7]which again means that you'll need to grab and decode a firmware image from phobos first
21:42:49[7]i'm also not sure how to handle the hidden firmware partition from rockbox's point of view
21:42:57user890104[7]: can we make custom ipsws, and use itunes to flash them?
21:43:08[7]user890104: copyright issues
21:43:28user890104ah, i see
21:43:37gevaerts[7]: I believe the fuze+ also has nested partition tables or something like that
21:43:46[7]just pretend that the drive would be smaller than it actually is and hide away the first few thousand sectors at the storage layer?
21:43:47user890104then let the users patch them, like the sansas iirc?
21:44:36gevaerts[7]: how does emcore installation work today? Do you use some sort of DFU mode to run code?
21:44:56[7]yes, we flash away apple's bootloader through DFU
21:45:22gevaertsDirect to flash, or running your own code first?
21:45:37[7]running own code first, but limited to 128K size
21:46:31[7]so we probably won't easily fit a rockbox bootloader + installer in there
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21:46:51gevaertsright
21:47:10[7]also talking to that DFU interface on windows is a bit complicated
21:47:35[7]so DFU is the thing that I'm wanting to get rid of in the first place
21:47:43gevaertsWell, the nano2g bootloader is 53K. The other ipod bootloaders are smaller.
21:48:04[7]I'm just afraid that accessing the firmware partition might not be much easier
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21:48:29gevaertsYes, from what it sounds like it's not a good idea to throw away possibilities too soon...
21:48:58[7]we can probably handle that with less driver trouble and interference from itunes, but having to send over apple's 90MB-sized firmware blob doesn't seem very appealing
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21:53:17[7]gevaerts: do you think it's a good idea to keep apple's weird formatting (nested partition tables, hidden firmware partition) on these devices?
21:53:32gevaerts[7]: do you want to support dual boot?
21:54:13[7]i'd think so
21:54:13[7]but I'd guess that we can trick the OF into accepting different layouts as well
21:55:14[7]from what I know from the nano2g it will probably accept a superfloppy-formatted "user volume", which would be what a normally MBR-partitioned disk would look like
21:55:57[7]OTOH what apple is doing might look similar enough to an extended partition
21:57:10gevaertsI'd check if the fuze+ approach works. If it does (i.e. this is similar enough), I'd change as little as possible
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22:01:47pamaurythe fuze+ has two nested partitions tables
22:02:43pamauryin "normal" mode, I only expose the nested one and if the bootloader is given a special argument on boot, this behaviour is disable and the whole drive is exposed, this is useful to build a reocvery mode image to reflash the bootloader
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22:04:03[7]user890104: did you manage to capture a classic restore process in the meantime?
22:04:39user890104i only captured the dfu+wtf part and almost the whole firmware update part
22:04:47[7]i'm curious if these update log pages already exist on the classic, and if yes, where they're stored
22:05:00user890104my usb capture app died in the last few seconds
22:05:11user890104i even repeated it, and the result was the same
22:05:24[7]and also that .rb3 file doesn't exist on the classic, so there'll probably be only a type 0 upload
22:05:29user890104i should consider trying Farthen's method
22:05:49[7]anyway, I'll probably only need the first couple of packets to gather the neccessary information
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22:08:31[7]user890104: I'm interested in, let's say, the first 100 c6 commands
22:09:05user890104[7]: yeah, these should be there
22:09:30[7]can you send them over?
22:10:40user890104sure
22:12:06user890104you can unstall usblyzer in the meantime
22:12:17user8901047-zip is compressing the dump pretty well
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23:09:49QuantumQrackDoes rockbox have support to play .wav's?
23:11:49gevaertsYes, except on the old Archoses where wav playback is not well integrated
23:12:46QuantumQrackI have an album though, and it just *hisses*
23:13:14QuantumQrackplays fine on pc
23:13:21gevaertshm
23:13:38QuantumQrackcan the codec be replaced?
23:14:11gevaertsIs it actually PCM wav?
23:14:27QuantumQrackI dont know how to tell what type of .wav it is
23:14:29gevaertsWhat do you mean by replacing the codec?
23:14:59QuantumQrackthere are different codecs for playing different formats right?
23:15:05QuantumQrackogg, mp3, etc etc
23:15:19gevaertsyes
23:15:36QuantumQrackso I assume there is one that supports .wav
23:15:42QuantumQrack*shrug*
23:15:43gevaertswell, technically ogg isn't a codec, it's a container format that usually contains vorbis
23:15:55gevaertsyes
23:16:02gevaertsWell, it supports PCM wav
23:16:14QuantumQrackhmm, this says DTS-WAV
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23:17:05saratogawe don't have a DTS decoder integrated into rockbox
23:17:17QuantumQrackahh ,ok. That answers that. :-)
23:17:22saratogaits a fairly rare format, so i don't think anyone has bothered, although I suppose it would not be terribly hard
23:17:25QuantumQrackcan I convert it?
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23:17:34saratogasure
23:17:40QuantumQracksoftware?
23:17:52QuantumQrackwhich software can I use to convert it
23:18:05saratogaprobably whatever you use to play it
23:18:15QuantumQrackI use VLC
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