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#rockbox log for 2011-11-28

00:02:49metaphysfunny usely black ones are only the 16go
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04:15:45itoikenzaHey guys. Gonna get a fuse tomorrow. Dont know if v1 or v2. Wanna know how do i get gbc emu. Where?
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04:21:28itoikenzaalso. are both theme packs exactly the same ver. for v1 & v2 fuse's...
04:24:23JdGordonyes, the themes work for both
04:25:34itoikenzaThanks for response. Where do i get gbc emu. How do i install it?
04:25:50JdGordonread the manual, it is already installed, you need to find the roms
04:26:55itoikenzaOh? Ok.Thanks again.
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04:39:11itoikenzaDoes applying a negative filter to most backdrop files, corrupt the theme in any way? How does the utility read them? Is it .zips or just point to directory?
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04:50:00itoikenzaCan i safely edit any or all non-transparency images? like changing overall hue/applying various filters. As long as file size isnt increased too much?
04:51:14itoikenzaWhats the mb limit of a image?
04:52:01JdGordonan image of what?
04:52:30itoikenzaThe backdrops.
04:52:51JdGordonthey are a set size... they have to be the size of the lcd
04:53:02JdGordonso for fuze its 176*220 pixels
04:53:55itoikenzaAny kb? Limit. Like under 34kb?
04:54:24JdGordon176*220 pixels, 24 or 32bit bmp
04:54:29JdGordonit is a set size
04:55:37itoikenzaWhat i mean is in bytes not bits.
04:56:09JdGordonand im saying it is not possible for you to change the size... it will only load a .bmp of the correct size and format
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04:58:11itoikenzaNo. Not physical size. But size on hard disk when saved from an image editor.
05:02:44itoikenzaI dont mean pixel height or width.
05:03:33itoikenzaData size!
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05:07:16JdGordonlast time.... rockbox will not load a backdrop image that is not *exactly* the screen size, so 176*220 or is not a bitmap... bitmaps are fixed size on disk, so what you are asking makes no sense
05:10:05itoikenzaIf i add another image on top and its has transparency doesnt that increase the kb or b size?
05:13:16itoikenzaOH! now one last question before i go away. how does the installer read themes? can they be unzipped and pointed to from a directory or what?
05:14:52JdGordonthe installer gets the from the web... you can manually unzip them to the .rockbox folder on the player
05:16:16itoikenzaThank you so much For your assistance.
05:16:22itoikenzaBye for now...
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10:34:06JdGordonhow many buttons does the fuze+ have?
10:35:27pamauryJdGordon: three physical (power, volume up/down) + one touchpad (with one directional pad printed, plus two keys printed: back and play/pause, plus two empty places). Have a look at the bitmap in uisimulator :)
10:36:58pamauryso currently there are 1+2+4+1+2=10 buttons mapped and we plan to add two more (the two empty squares and a special "two fingers on touchpad" one)
10:39:20JdGordonthat sounds like a waste of effort and asking for most to be forgotten
10:40:25pamaurywhat is a wate of effort ?
10:45:35JdGordonaddming more buttons than necessary
10:47:06pamaurythese are basically free, I don't why it's a wate, someone might make a use of some later, like in plugins
10:48:28pamauryNote that I'm not talking about action or anything, just the buttons themselves, I don't care about the usage
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10:50:57JdGordonno hardwar elock key?
10:52:27ventlesorry guys, what is the svn url format for specific tag versions? svn://
10:52:28JdGordonno there is or isnt one? :)
10:52:47pamaurythere isn't one
10:53:38pamauryI was thinking about putting two fingers on the touchpad for one second to lock, just a thought I haven't tested
10:53:41JdGordonBUTTON_TWO_FINGERS <- lol
10:53:57*JdGordon finds that funny for some reason
10:53:58pamauryyeah, the touchpad can detect that there are two fingers but no the position
10:55:10JdGordonpamaury: have you got a picture of the target with the rockbox logo displayed suitable for the theme site?
10:55:21JdGordonand the same to bertick for the clip zip?
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10:55:45pamauryJdGordon: not but it's rather trivial since the simulator is working no ?
10:56:37dionoeaventle: svn ls <url> should give you an answer
10:58:19JdGordonpamaury: hmm, looks like the sim is the wrong style compared to the rest
10:58:25JdGordonpixelma: do you know anything baout those target pics?
10:59:03pamaurywhy is it the "wrong" style ?
10:59:15JdGordonyou dont tihnk so?
10:59:56kugelJdGordon: btw, you added the new targets wrongly to the theme site
11:00:22kugelwithout lcd depth and wrong orientation for fuze+
11:00:24pamauryyou mean the fuze+ image of the simulator is not ok for the theme site ?
11:00:49JdGordonserves me right for doing it at work
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11:02:04JdGordonahj, you fixed it already?
11:02:43pamaurythe theme page of the fuze+ looks wrong, the screen doesn't have this shape
11:03:17kugelI changed the target details but it still shows the wrong themes
11:04:08kugelit's 240x320
11:04:09pamauryit shows 320x240 but it's 240x320
11:04:22JdGordonsaratogas email was wrong then :)
11:05:11*kugel didnt get that mail
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11:05:56kugeloops found it
11:05:59JdGordon"updating the theme site"
11:06:17kugelit says same as gigabeat (which is correct) but the wrong resolution :)
11:08:46pamauryJdGordon: so you believe something like this doesn't match the rest of the theme page:
11:09:39kugelyes :)
11:09:58kugelperfectdrug can do nice SVGs if you ask him kind enough :)
11:11:28pamaurywell, if you say so....
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11:14:04*kugel also receives a potential 240x320 target soon :p
11:15:16JdGordoncan anyone do the cabbie backdrop for 1024*278?
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11:16:41JdGordon1) that should be in svn.... 2) i wouldnt have asked if i knew how to do it myself
11:17:09kugelit has a huge'ish background which you can scale and cut out
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11:21:10JdGordon.psd... totally helpful :/
11:21:20JdGordonif someone could do it i would appreciate it
11:21:32kugelgimp can open it just fine
11:22:38kugelit sucks we have no source for the grey rockbox text
11:24:01JdGordonwhy the heck is cabbiev2.bmp being loaded on the real target but not in the sim?
11:24:11JdGordon... when the theme isnt loading it
11:24:16kugeldifferent init() sequence?
11:25:00JdGordonpossibly, too much of main is dupliated when it sholdnt be
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11:34:33JdGordonyou know what really sucks in the code?
11:34:46JdGordonthe gui's interdependant "modules" (for lack of a better term)
11:34:59JdGordonI tihnk i might know why the backdrop is being loaded when it sholdnt
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11:43:32*user890104 wonders if FS #12413 should be fixed before the 3.10 release
11:43:33fs-bluebot ROLO broken on Nano 2G (bugs, unconfirmed)
11:44:19CIA-10New commit by jdgordon (r31080): Fix FS #12408 - don't load skins too early causing buflib handles to leak
11:46:47CIA-10r31080 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed)
11:51:02gevaertsuser890104: I'd say it's something we should try to fix, but not postpone the release for
11:51:56user890104gevaerts: i just tested 3.9.1 and 3.9, it's also broken on both
11:52:05user890104i'm testing the previous ones now
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11:58:16CIA-10New commit by jdgordon (r31081): Be less smart about when to reload skins as it caused more problems than it was worth. If any theme setting is loading from a .cfg reload all skins. ...
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12:00:11CIA-10r31081 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed)
12:00:26JdGordongevaerts: has any descision been made about recv2?
12:02:03gevaertsJdGordon: the 8MB one? Not yet, people were exploring binsize things last time, but I think those didn't look to be enough
12:02:26gevaertsThe regular one will only be a problem *after* your next big feature ;)
12:02:51JdGordon*my* big feature?!
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12:03:54gevaertsWell, after the next big binsize increase
12:04:00wodzI see only two reasonable solutions for binsize problem: 1) switch to regular bootloader 2) branch
12:04:17*gevaerts nods
12:04:28wodzI tend to think that considering the age of the targets branching is better
12:04:47gevaertsIn the short term dircache can be disabled for the 8MB build, but that's not a real solution
12:07:54gevaertsWe've been trading ram usage for binsize recently, so I think things are a bit better for the lowmem targets than they were a few months ago, but this binsize limit is annoying
12:09:33gevaertsAnd we also shouldn't forget that the clipv1 or c200v2 (although the latter never got to a usable state, partly because of this very issue) also only have 2MB (or 2.3)
12:12:53wodzso what do You propose?
12:13:40wodzdoes clipv1 use thumb build?
12:14:32gevaertsI think the archos solution is the bootloader
12:15:28gevaertsYes, I think it uses thumb
12:16:01gevaertsWhat I mean is that the memory issues aren't just the old archoses, and they won't magically go away by branching those off
12:16:03CIA-10New commit by jdgordon (r31082): Fix fs#12005 - have %pc,%pl and %pr return the number of seconds when used with %if() instead of a formatted time string
12:17:43wodzgevaerts: well the true benefit of branching would be possibility to massive code cleanups and simplifications. We will get rid of few dozen ifdefs etc.
12:18:02CIA-10r31082 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed)
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12:24:42kugelJdGordon: should it be committed to 3.10 also?
12:25:04kugelI mean r31082. any others too?
12:25:06JdGordonna, was more a feature request
12:25:18JdGordoni tihnk none of them are relevant for the branch
12:25:23JdGordonone from yesterday was
12:25:37JdGordonI dont have a 3.10 checkout and not getting one on my current connection/quota
12:27:08*gevaerts agrees that this isn't 3.10 material
12:27:32gevaertsIt's low risk, but I really think we should only do critical fixes
12:28:11JdGordonr31070 would be worth doing
12:28:18JdGordonwell, sort of
12:28:27JdGordonfree the buffer if the file isnt loaded
12:28:55gevaertsI did that one yesterday I think
12:29:02gevaertswell, you asked for it :)
12:29:24JdGordonah cool
12:29:56gevaertsThe %pc,%pl and %pr thing *never* worked, and those aren't exactly new tags, so yes, that's a new feature :)
12:30:50JdGordonwe are starting to get alot of tags which duplicate other tags in a worse way
12:31:00JdGordondeprecating them isnt so easy
12:31:28*gevaerts nods
12:31:46JdGordonits not really a big deal, just something to think about
12:32:04JdGordoni.e that commit makes %pE/L redundant
12:32:19gevaertsWe should consider marking them as deprecated and having checkwps warn, and not accept new theme site uploads with those
12:32:29gevaertsThen a year later we can drop them :)
12:33:31kugelgood idea. then we can deprecate all settings-related tags from before %St was introduced
12:37:52JdGordonits not so simple. I want to deprecate the horrible subimage display tag %xd(Aa) but every single bloody theme does it :/
12:39:37kugelwhat do you want to replace it with?
12:40:03JdGordon%xd(label, subimage number) which is there and has been for ages
12:40:12JdGordonwhere number can also be another tag
12:40:22kugeloh, it already exists. makes sense
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12:51:41*JdGordon intends on making a 1024*768 cabbie which is *the* showcase skin....
12:51:47JdGordonso, what does everyone want on it?
12:53:50GodEater_why that res?
12:54:04JdGordontouchpad :)
12:54:29JdGordonlandscape with a huge res gives us plenty of room to show stuff off
12:54:46kugeldoes it need to be cabbie?
12:55:01JdGordonmakes sense to be
12:56:11GodEater_seems a bit low res to me ;)
12:56:38JdGordonI just don't know where to put a 500x500 AA image!
12:57:47kugelIMO there shouldnt be _one_ showcase cabbie. ether all should be showcasing similarly or the showcase should be a distinct one
12:58:00kugelthe focus for cabbie is similarity between targets
12:58:15JdGordonthink about what that actually means for a second....
13:00:19kugelit can even look like/based on cabbiev2. but if it's very different to other cabbies it should not be default IMO
13:01:22JdGordonanyway, what I';m thinking about is splitting the display in two, the left half shows the normal portrait cabbie, the right shows various different screens which change when the user presses it
13:01:35JdGordoni.e much more track info, or a playlist, or dunno what
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13:14:01wodzJdGordon: would you look at the bug with were selecting the first file from m3u doesn't bring you to WPS (introduced in r30177)?
13:14:22JdGordonyou forgot to say please! :)
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13:15:52wodzI said please at least two times already (when originally reporting this issue) :-)
13:17:04JdGordonyou seem to catch me at bad times
13:18:39wodzI can fill FS entry and assign it to you if you prefer
13:19:15JdGordonoh, this was a easy fix!
13:19:15JdGordonyou coul have done it yourself :D
13:19:49JdGordonhmm, actually no, i tinhk this is wrong
13:27:31memechaserHi; I'm using Rockbox on a Sansa Clip+. It works beautifully, but when the OF starts up (when connecting to USB port on computer), it seems to be creating directories that I don't want, like AUDIBLE, MUSIC, etc. Is there a way to stop this occuring?
13:27:50memechaser(I have read the manual and FAQs but can't find the answer anywhere.)
13:28:55gevaertsYou could try marking them as hidden
13:28:57TorneIf you set them as hidden, instad of deleting them, then they won't show up in rockbox most of the time
13:29:12Torne(hidden things only appear if "show files" is set to "all" instad of "supported")
13:29:25Torneif you delete them the OF will just recreate them, but it doesn't care if they are hidden
13:30:25memechaserok, thanks. I've just realised that I connect the device to my laptop and run my own script to sync podcasts and audiobooks, so could just remove the directories then if they exist. (If the OF creates them when it starts up upon connecting the device.)
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13:33:22JdGordonwodz: im going to revert that part of 30177 so loading a m3u from the file browser is normal, loading it from the catalog viewer opens it
13:33:33JdGordonworking out how to exit the viewer to the correct screewn now
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13:36:47wodzJdGordon: yes it is only problem when accessing m3u from file browser.
13:39:37JdGordonactually i have a splitting headache and cant concentrate so i'll just revert that so it works and look into the other thing another time
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14:37:12kugelgevaerts: entirely possible that the rolo bug the nano2g isn't even a regression
14:37:24kugelrolo is inherently unsafe and prone to break any time
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14:40:34kugelI don't know if it's in iram for the nano2g. if it isn't rolo isn't guaranteed to work
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16:59:09pixelmaJdGordon: the playerpics used for the targets lists were made from the manual SVGs (hiding the text layer and chosing 80 pixels for their widest dimension) if that's what you mean
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17:42:48dfkti wonder if it isn't a bit counterproductive to disallow fonts from the font pack posted in zips uploaded to the theme page. i wonder how many people won't find/download/bother to download the font pack, leaving themes in a semi-ugly or semi-usable state
17:43:26dfkti think redundancy and slightly increased bandwidth might be a good thing there :)
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17:45:32gevaertsdfkt: that's not the issue, really
17:45:35gevaertsFont updates are
17:46:25dfkthmm, would be nice if the zips would be automatically updated with the newest font version then, if that's possible
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18:18:22pixelmasame as it would be nice if the theme site could produce screenshots on its own, especially for themes that in theory work on targets with same display esolution but different colour depth
18:19:38pixelmaresolution too
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18:21:17bluebrother^having such a feature (auto-producing screenshots) would also be useful for testing skin functionality against regressions :)
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18:26:45pamauryany idea what would happen if I enable two i2c_sck/sda pins on the imx233 ? would it behave like a single bus or just don't work ?
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19:27:37pamauryhum, the fuze+ OF init sequence for the audio part is...strange to say the least
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19:45:39CIA-10New commit by buschel (r31084): Update manual to match current codec IDs.
19:46:11gevaertsBuschel: I assume the codec ideas changed before the 3.10 branch?
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19:47:21lebelliumhey JdGordon
19:47:38CIA-10r31084 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (buschel committed)
19:47:40lebelliumare you sure that works: "Total Track Time (when used with %if() returns the number of seconds the track runs for) " ?
19:48:03lebellium'cause that code doesn't work: %?if(%pt, >, 600)<%pt|0%pt>
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19:55:58Buschelgevaerts: yes, I will submit this to 3.10 as well
19:56:06gevaertsOK, thanks :)
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20:03:30Buschelgevaerts: if ok for you I will just submit your manual change to wps_tags.tex regarding embedded AA as well
20:03:55gevaertsOh, right. Sure, why not?
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21:00:00desowinany idea why battery bench on sansa connect resulted in empty file? (hopefully I have .scrobbler.log, so I can estimate the running time as 8:20)
21:00:51saratogait launches a background thread, maybe that depends on some timer or something (no idea just guessing)
21:01:37desowinwell, the file was not completely empty, just no actual results
21:02:43bertrikThe plugin waits for one minute between measurement IIRC. Measurement are kept in memory until they are flushed to disk by the ata idle callback.
21:03:08bertrikDoes the file have a line saying something like "battery benchmark ended, reason: XXX" ?
21:03:47gevaertsI'd investigate the ata idle callback
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21:05:48bertrikoh, someone renamed it to storage_idle_func :)
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21:07:06desowinwell, I don't call register_storage_idle_func() at all from sdmmc.c - so that's the reason?
21:09:24bertrikI don't think so
21:10:17desowinhmm, other sd threads do case on SYS_TIMEOUT which calls call_storage_idle_notifys - could it be that?
21:10:31desowin(I don't do such thing)
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21:23:38wodzI am observing strange issue on my hd300. In bootloader battery readout is ~3.83V. OF boots just fine and reports between 33 and 66% of battery (crapy 3 level indicator). Rockbox doesn't boot due to bat low level warring (cutoff is set at 3.5V).
21:24:06wodzIf I boot with charger plugged and after start unplug DC rockbox reports ~3.7V
21:24:50wodzIf I shutdown and bring bootloader again (so after heavy disk activity on shutdown) it reports again over 3.8V
21:24:53wodzany clue?
21:25:54wodzthe driver is the same in bootloader and rb
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22:12:56CIA-10New commit by desowin (r31086): dm320: call storage idle notifys on in sdmmc thread
22:13:09desowinthis fixes the battery_bench issue
22:14:39CIA-10r31086 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (desowin committed)
22:15:45desowinbtw. how to add Sansa Connect to build table?
22:18:30desowinoh, and who do I call to get the developer icon in IRC log viewer?
22:19:12gevaertsI can add it to the build table
22:22:16gevaertsdesowin: is there both a bootloader and a regular build as usual?
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22:24:14desowingevaerts: well, the bootloader compiles fine, but currently is not supposed to be used verbatim
22:24:33gevaertsNot a problem. Bootloaders aren't uploaded anyway :)
22:24:45gevaertsFor the log viewer, you need Zagor or Bagder
22:25:11Bagderyou need Zagor for that really
22:25:50gevaertsAh, you need Zagor xor Bagder :)
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22:37:29CIA-10New commit by gevaerts (r31087): Add Sansa Connect to the build system
22:37:46gevaertsdesowin: the sim doesn't compile yet apparently?
22:38:45converthello rockbox crew, i have a question that i'm hoping you can answer, so may i ask if anyone has a status update on rockbox's stable release on the sansa fuze+?
22:39:17gevaertsconvert: no. We don't even try to guess that sort of thing
22:40:14converti see, thanks
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22:50:49desowingevaerts: no, it doesn't
22:51:10gevaertsdesowin: ping me when it does, and I'll add it to the build system too
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23:55:21bertrikdesowin, sorry for putting you off the right track, but good to hear you got it working

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