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#rockbox log for 2011-12-01

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00:58:46saratoga_any feedback on FS #12416
00:58:47fs-bluebot Minor Front Page tweaks (patches, new)
01:03:59Lloreansaratoga_: Sounds like it makes sense to me.
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02:19:39webguest90Hello, does Rockbox 3.6 work with Bootloader 2.0? I use the utility to install the bootloader, then extract RB3.6 to my device. Once the USB cable is connected, the device continually reboots.
02:20:09webguest90Doing a standard full install with 3.9.1 works fine, but I've been having issues where my Sansa Fuze V1 locks up during large file transfers. I believe this started back in 3.7.1.
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02:25:11webguest90Meh. I'll try 3.5.1 then.
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02:37:19dreamlayersAny feedback on from FS #12409? It looks good to me. Some issues being dealt with were tricky, so it would be good if someone else also reviewed it.
02:37:20fs-bluebot problems with buflib_compact() (bugs, new)
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04:34:50saratogaI think the wiki is broken
04:35:13saratogaif I try to create a new page it accepts my changes and then shows a blank page last edited by "guest"
04:35:28saratogawhich is then deleted as soon as I leave the page
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07:46:25w125hi all. I have a "rockboxed" sansa clip plus. is there an easy way to set the default boot to be the sansa firmware?
07:48:14saratogaafraid not about a hard way? :)
07:49:32saratogadepends how good you are at assembly
07:49:45w125no experience...
07:51:45w125and either way i wouldnt feel comfortable messing around with the original firmware or anything...oh well, thanks for your help
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08:02:19CIA-10New commit by kugel (r31101): Address some weaknesses and bugs of buflib_compact() and make the code prettier. Thanks to Boris Gjenero for his great investigation. ...
08:02:44kugel^ should be considered for 3.10
08:03:12kugelit does fix bugs, but it's not clear whether they are actually exposed in rockbox
08:04:11kugela higgs-bugson I suppose
08:04:13CIA-10r31101 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (kugel committed)
08:04:37saratogawe really need to make a decision about that archos build
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08:42:57Perfiewhat the fuck is this place
08:45:43ZagorPerfie: welcome to #rockbox, where we discuss development of the Rockbox firmware for portable audio players. See for more information.
08:48:26PerfieI've never been here before
08:48:36Perfiebut according to irc logs on google I have been
08:50:00Zagorwell you are using an unregistered nick, so it's not unlikely someone else has used the same
08:50:41Perfielol naah, I have a registered one I'm just not on it right now
09:05:39jhMikeSlol that made no sense at all
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09:54:38desowinZagor: can I get the developer icon in irc logs?
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10:09:16wodzSomething is truly broken with battery readout on hd300. I exchanged battery for new one and the situation is the same - in main binary adc readouts are ~0.1-0.2 lower than in bootloader. Any idea why is this so?
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11:03:32kskim running rockbox on my sansa e260
11:03:54kskusing the 'files' function i cannot see mp3 files anymore, but the folders
11:04:06kskyesterday it worked..
11:04:16kskany idea how i fucked it up?
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11:07:20dionoeayou must have changed the "show files" setting
11:07:45dionoeayou can change it in settings > General settings > file view
11:09:28kski just reset to default works now
11:09:35kskthabks anyways dionoea
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11:22:10JdGordongevaerts: so you reckon I should just use the nice ui to generate the folders.txt file for the random folder advance configer?
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11:25:02gevaertsThe folder_advance_dir.txt, yes. Well, maybe not, but I think the UI should be at the level of control provided by that file, and not at the level of individual directories, i.e. I think selecting trees and adding some exceptions is going to work better than selecting individual directories, even if you can mass-select them easily
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11:27:42JdGordonthat works too.
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11:30:45gevaertsI don't particularly care about that file format. I just like to be able to say "all of music except for this particular subtree", and being able to regenerate the binary file from that when I change stuff
11:31:24JdGordondepends on your layout that can be prety tedious to do on target
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11:32:08JdGordonbut then the majority of people I assume would just select their /music folder and want the magic to happen
11:32:30JdGordonif you've got 400 subdirs in /music and oyu dont want a few of them in the RFA you're better ofusing the computer to build the list
11:32:45gevaertsYes, exactly. I have /music, and then various genre directories under that. I tend to want all of music except one or two genres
11:33:32gevaertsCurrently that's a rather simple three-line folder_advance_dir.txt
11:34:32JdGordonneed to figure out how to do the indenting in the list :/
11:34:51JdGordonI tihnk I'm going to have to give the lists an etxra viewport for the selected item so scrolling always works
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11:50:40JdGordoncan anyone think of a nice use for extra indenting in the lists?
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11:53:20nick-pI've uploaded the first version of a patch to support embedded cuesheets - FS #12419 I'd be grateful for any advice about the implementation.
11:53:21fs-bluebot Support for embedded cuesheets. (patches, unconfirmed)
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13:30:10desowindfkt: I have working simulator for Sansa Connect. Have you seen the "house symbol" on Sansa Connect? Could you please update (I think it requires hand drawing) the image? Also, what is your real name (to attribute you properly in commit message)?
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13:45:55GammadazeHi, I have an iPod classic with rockbox installed, and somewhat frequently it will sound almost like a scratched cd where it keeps skipping on the same part of a song. Does anyone know how to fix this?
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13:53:25user890104Gammadaze: not yet
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13:54:51GammadazeUser890104: is there progress on the issue, or is it mostly a minor problem?
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13:55:59user890104someone needs to find out what is the reason for these skips, then an attempt to fix that can be made
13:56:11user890104and the crashes that are happening from time to time
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14:04:24GammadazeOkay, thank you.
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14:11:33jlbiasiniHello, I've got a lot of musepack file (with mpc extension) not playing (they get immediatly skipped in wps mode) are they're anything special to know about this format? I suspect problem with tag but I didn't find any documentation about APE.
14:12:45jlbiasiniI meant APE related with rockbox, is there anything special with the way it has to be tagged?
14:15:59gevaertsYou should talk to Buschel. He's our musepack specialist
14:20:37jlbiasiniok thanks
14:21:16jlbiasiniI think it more APE related anyway
14:21:39jlbiasiniI've also have problem with the flac they get convert from
14:22:01dfktdesowin, my name is Martin Sägmüller. do you really think it's necessary to change the house icon? i guess faking it would look awkward in the image, and i guess a house is a house, nobody would notice (or complain). :) sure, i can try, but i doubt it would look coherent/cohesive.
14:25:34jlbiasiniis Buschel his irc name?
14:28:28dfktdesowin -
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14:32:21desowindfkt: looks fine
14:32:26dfktcool :)
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14:32:39dfkti took the icon from the clip+, i guess it's the same
14:33:02jlbiasinicool indeed!
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14:33:29jlbiasiniI could have an order for the fuze+ manual ;)
14:33:56dfktjlbiasini, i already made the fuze+ icon for the theme/manual site ;)
14:34:07dfktBagder or Zagor just need to upload it
14:34:36dfktjlbiasini -
14:34:40jlbiasiniI didn't knew that! I've just started on the manual compiling
14:35:00dfkti made all currently missing icons
14:35:11jlbiasinicool !!!
14:36:11jlbiasiniI guess I will have to write this f****** keymaps file after all... :D
14:36:38dfkti wish the fuze+ *had* keys :p
14:36:50*desowin wouldn't mind if someone revised keymap file for Connect
14:37:23jlbiasiniwhat do you what revised?
14:38:10desowinjlbiasini: checked/improved. basically I guessed most of time, checking with my e200 how the plugin actually works, but layout for some plugins could be suboptimal
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14:39:21jlbiasinithe stuff with keymaps is that you can only know if you own the device
14:39:42jlbiasinibecause its all about usuability
14:39:54desowinyes, I know
14:39:57jlbiasinion the paper everything looks practical
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14:40:35jlbiasiniwell if you tell me wich action you want mapped how I guess I can do it
14:41:04jlbiasinibut I didn't that applicaion could get remapped
14:41:33jlbiasiniis it also in the same keymaps file with a specific context?
14:42:00CIA-10New commit by desowin (r31102): Sansa Connect: Make simulator compile. UI-sansaconnect.bmp by Martin Sägmüller (based on press image).
14:42:11desowingevaerts: simulator for Sansa Connect compiles now
14:43:25jlbiasinieh! that's right we could help with one fore the fuze+ simulator too! For the moment we only have some ugly photo derivated blur
14:43:48dfktwhee, second commit message with my name in it ever :)
14:43:51CIA-10r31102 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (desowin committed)
14:44:16Tornedoes anyone know if .vbs files actually need CRLFs?
14:44:28TorneWe only have one, but it explicitly has svn:eol-style=crlf
14:45:48GodEater_I don't believe they do
14:45:51GodEater_LF is good enough
14:46:00GodEater_it's only if you edit them in notepad you care
14:46:04GodEater_and only mad people would do that
14:46:04TorneYeah screw notepad
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14:49:50GodEater_yeah I just checked, LF is fine
14:49:55Torneok, good
14:49:58Tornei can blow that prop away then :)
14:51:36CIA-10New commit by torne (r31103): Convert one more file to LF line endings. ...
14:51:44Torneso now everything is LFs only in svn
14:52:01Torneexcept for binary fiels, and some windows device driver gunk that i am treating as binary in .gitattributes even though it's technically text
14:52:10Tornebecause nobody is ever going to *edit* those files
14:52:15Tornereplace them possibly
14:52:28GodEater_what windows device driver junk do we have?
14:52:35Torneoh and vcproj files, which are also effectively opaque
14:52:53GodEater_where the hell did they come from?
14:52:53Torneer, some tcctool recovery device driver
14:53:05GodEater_I feel slightly soiled now
14:53:09CIA-10r31103 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (torne committed)
14:53:09Torneoh, no, jz4740
14:53:13Torneer wait what
14:53:18GodEater_I need to go home and bleach my harddrive
14:53:21Tornepretty sure i can't cause any errors by changing a .vbs file
14:53:37Torneoh yeah, 8mb recorder
14:53:41TorneStill broken.
14:53:44TorneWe should do something about that
14:53:51GodEater_rm * ?
14:54:05GodEater_I wonder how many people still have one
14:54:05Tornefine by *me*..
14:54:14GodEater_it was a hardware mod in the first place wasn't it?
14:54:41Torneis it really sensible that we have libusb for windows checked into our tree in the first place, btw?
14:54:52GodEater_no comment
14:54:58Tornei imagine it's pretty old by now
14:55:09TorneOh, i guess it's a hacked inf
14:55:11Torneor something
14:55:19Torneto make it apply to that VID/PID
14:55:21GodEater_I think we only fiddled with it for the gigabeat S originally
14:55:25Tornestupid windows drivers
14:55:43Tornethe vcproj files are for beastpatcher and mtp_dll
14:55:49Torneto build the windows version of beastpatcher
14:55:56Torneno idea if anyone cares
14:56:09Tornebut hey. it's trivial to just treat them like opaque blobs
14:56:16GodEater_might as well
14:56:18Tornenobody wants to edit ugly visual studio xml
14:57:22GodEater_this reminds me, change notepad++ to default to LF and UTF8
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14:59:53Tornedos2unix thinks a bunch of copies of the GPL are binary files
15:00:00*Torne looks slightly dubious about this
15:00:19Tornealso two of the pdbox source files
15:00:48GodEater_have rasher or gevaerts been at them with their funky utf-8 art?
15:01:05Torneoh it's because they have ^L in them
15:01:19Tornebecause yes, a page feed makes it binary.
15:01:19desowinany idea why power button (KP0) in Sansa Connect's sim doesn't seem to be triggered?
15:01:33*Torne kicks it harder
15:02:26TorneYeah, none of those actually have CRLFs in anyway, so it doesn't matter. ok.
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15:05:54desowinoh man, it's radius that goes into button_map, not diameter
15:06:09Tornemy buttons.. are too biiig
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15:15:00CIA-10New commit by torne (r31104): Add a gitattributes file for the migration. ...
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15:15:38Torneso that's one more thing done
15:15:47Torneline endings should now be fixed for good once we move to git :)
15:16:08Torneimpressively git's heuristics for detecting text vs binary appear to be super excellent
15:16:25Torneunlike dos2unix it identifies every file in our repo correctly
15:16:36Tornei've still given it a list of binary types that we have, though, just to be safe.
15:16:42CIA-10r31104 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (torne committed)
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15:18:08CIA-10New commit by gevaerts (r31105): Add Sansa Connect simulator to the build system
15:18:30CIA-10New commit by desowin (r31106): Sansa Connect Simulator: Fix button sizes, add hold button support
15:20:11CIA-10r31106 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (desowin committed)
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15:30:53GodEater_[7]: I'm way out of touch, how is ipod classic support these days?
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15:59:29TorneOkay, so what do people think of the following versioning scheme:
15:59:55Tornecommits on trunk would look like v3.10-dev-9-g38da400
16:00:08Tornemeaning "9 commits after the 3.9 release branch was created"
16:00:18Torne(with hash 38da400)
16:00:32Tornecommits on the release branches would look like v3.9-final-11-g3049a6b
16:00:39Tornecopypasta'ed the wrong thing
16:00:53Tornecommits on the release branches would look like v3.9.1-pre-10-g3049a6b
16:01:06Torne10 commits after 3.9 final
16:01:24Tornedoes that make any kind of sense?
16:01:31Torneit's reasonably easy to get git describe to do that
16:01:50kugelthat's for rockbox-info.txt?
16:01:52Torneif we add (automated for the ones in the past, trivial manual step when making releases in future) extra tags to describe
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16:01:56TorneFor whatever needs the version
16:02:10Torneoutput from
16:02:26TorneActual releases would be much shorter: just v3.9.1-final
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16:02:43Torne(could postprocess to remove the -final if we wanted)
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16:03:14Torneit leaves a slightly weird looking arrangement of tags int he repo, is the downside from where i'm looking :)
16:04:36kugeldo we need "v3.10-dev" prefix for trunk?
16:04:47TorneWe need *something*
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16:05:44Tornewhen this was discussed before (in less specific terms) i think most people agreed that having trunk called after the name of the next version, with some suffix to indicate it's a dev/test/whatever, was probably an improvement over svn revision numbers
16:06:16Tornebecause it's clearer to users that v3.10-dev+27 is newer than v3.9.1 in a way that r30050 is not
16:06:41Torneit's possible in theory to work out atht we are on trunk and produce a plain integer type build number
16:06:44Tornea la svn
16:06:47Tornebut i think that's worse
16:07:45Torne(also if we do that then currently the numbers would be *lower* than the head of SVN)
16:07:55Torne(since there are less commits on trunk then there are revisions in our entire svn repository)
16:09:36kugelI don't mind really
16:09:46Tornethis is about as good as git describe can get. if we want something cleverer, i think i'd need to write an actual script that looked at stuff
16:10:01TorneWe might be able to do something very clever by assuming that one of the remotes is the rockbox repo and cmoparing to that
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16:10:12Tornebut that'd be more work and probably more fragile
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16:11:22TorneActually, putting these tags in is suspiciously similar to having a file with the version number in that gets bumped :/
16:11:26*Torne ponders.
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16:34:34[7]GodEater_: no dualboot, we're replacing apple's bootloader, installation through DFU mode (a bit tricky), occasional lockups, bad battery runtime
16:34:43[7]apart from that it seems to be working
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16:37:22GodEater_[7]: thanks ;)
16:37:40GodEater_anyone know if we have any screenshots of [Saint]'s latest cabbie efforts for android?
16:37:54[7]oh, and no IAP yet (like on the nano2g)
16:38:00[7]and no recording
16:38:27[7](technically both are possible, but they need to be implemented, and for that the whole IAP code needs a cleanup)
16:38:48[7]i'd really like to know where the additional power consumption is coming from though
16:40:24GodEater_IAP? Not sure I know what that is
16:41:11gevaertsGodEater_: ipod accessory protocol
16:41:40GodEater_ah of course
16:41:51GodEater_I haven't used my ipod for so long, those brain circuits are rusty!
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17:05:34dreamlayersWhile examining FS #11675, I noticed menus exit on button release, but text entry exits on button press, leaving the release for the caller. Should this difference exist?
17:05:35fs-bluebot Resistor plugin - led resistor calculator does not wait for keypress (bugs, new)
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19:34:53TempUserHello. I want o contribute a patch for language file to tracker. It created by and include only new lines. They begin with "+" symbol. I'm also want to correct existing lines. What symbol I need to write before lines in this case? P.S. Sorry for my English.
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19:36:59funmanTempUser: you should include the patch
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19:42:25TempUserfunman: Sorry, I don't understand you. Where include? I've taken phrases from current lang file, edited them and want to insert to patch. I need start edited lines with some symbol, isn't it?
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19:48:59funmanTempUser: it is easier to send the complete file then
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20:14:06bluebrotherunlink_: nice :)
20:14:20bluebrothergive that binary a try:
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20:18:42bertrikdid the git mirror die?
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20:20:04bertrikI'm getting "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" when doing a git pull
20:20:08bluebrothernice. Guess I need to rebuild the 32bit version of Qt with freetype support then
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20:20:46bluebrotherthanks for testing btw :)
20:20:50bertrik[7], the iap code is not really an example of elegance, but I don't think it needs a complete rework to get it working on the nano 2g
20:20:54gevaertsbertrik: yes, you're supposed to use the other url :)
20:21:16bertrikthe "other url"?
20:23:22funmanis git/gerrit switch still on the corner? has been taken out today to prepare for the official one
20:23:29bertrikcan I keep switch URLs and keep my local stuff?
20:24:01gevaertsyes, there's a mail somewhere
20:24:13*funman looks somewhere
20:24:16*bertrik is happy with the current situation of svn + gitsvn
20:25:27*funman is happy regardless but would like a real 'pushable' git repo
20:26:27gevaertsfunman: we should switch soon after the 3.10 release, which is now planned for Wednesday (instead of Sunday) because a release on the 10th anniversary of the first email on the rockbox ML was thought to be a good idea :)
20:27:58bertrikWhat was the first version control system (or whatever) used for rockbox?
20:28:12funmangevaerts: when was that first mail sent? is it in the archives?
20:28:47gevaertsWho says rockbox doesn't have a tradition for testing? ;)
20:29:10bertrikwe suck at testing!
20:31:29funmani can't say. never tested anything myself ;)
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20:32:49bluebrotherunlink__: as there are no issues I'm aware of right now: no
20:34:54bluebrothergood to know :)
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21:00:09*desowin wonder what is draining the additional milliamps on connect's when running rockbox
21:00:41funmanthe power consumption malediction which was thrown on the Sansas?
21:01:43desowinbut isn't it that other sansas outperform OF?
21:02:18desowinwe're atleast 20% (OF still plays) worse on battery life on Connect
21:02:26funmanthe amsv2 and PP only, amsv1 are way below
21:06:03TempUserfunman, hmm, you're right. I assumed, patches is more prefered. Thank you.
21:06:12TempUserHere's it. Makes Russian full translated at current moment and contain some fixes (from "Potential problems" page): Again sorry for my English. Good bye.Here's it. Makes Russian full translated at current moment and contain some fixes (from "Potential problems" page): Again sorry for my English. Good bye.
21:06:44TempUserSorry for double post.
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21:22:41desowinwe might try to port the throttle driver from connect's kernel patch
21:23:28desowinthat would require some feedback/testing from people using other dm320 targets
21:25:03lebelliumhey I'd like to design the FM UI for my Samsung R0 theme but there is no R0 simulator and no FM radio in the Toshiba simulator. Anyone willing to compile a Sansa Fuze+ simulator I could use for my R0 ? :)
21:26:31raroglebellium: For which target OS?
21:26:42lebelliumWindows 7
21:27:11lebelliumI'm a newbie with these things, I can't compile anything, just design themes :)
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21:40:08raroglebellium: Ok, I'll try
21:40:26lebelliumrarog: would be much appreciated :)
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21:43:51raroglebellium: 32bit is ok?
21:44:26lebelliumI have a 64 bits OS but as far as I know, 32 bit UI simulator also work on a 64 bits OS
21:45:24lebelliumFor the moment I guess I use a 32 bit Toshiba Gigabeat simulator
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21:46:21rarogThought so, but sometimes 64bit is preferreed, though I don't see, why it would be of any use for this case... No special memory consumption.
21:48:00lebelliumexactly, don't need 4GB RAM for a UI simulator hehe 32 bit is fine :)
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21:56:36rarogOk, it's compiling now.
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22:08:47rarogI hope I zipped all necessary files.
22:10:26lebelliumseems to work fine
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22:10:29lebelliumthank you very much!
22:10:42rarogYou're welcome!
22:11:07rarogif it's the same resolution, I'll be able to use your theme, too.
22:11:14rarogAs I have a Fuze+. :D
22:13:30lebelliumoh really? actually my theme works fine on the R0 but not in the UI simulator so I would be interested knowing if it works on a Sansa Fuze + or Toshiba Gigabeat
22:14:24rarogI could always test it on my Fuze+. You just have to catch me here, so I can put it on my device. :D
22:14:25lebelliumrarog: lebellium/R0/Rockbox/"> you just need to rename the paths in the cfg file.
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22:16:47raroglebellium: can you please give me an example?
22:17:15lebelliumok wait I send you the right cfg file.
22:17:30rarogOk. :D
22:22:26lebelliumrarog: lebellium/R0/Rockbox/">
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22:23:49lebelliumnow it should work on your Fuze+ excep the radio UI hehe
22:24:52rarogRadio is not yet working and hangs rb, so it's not so tragic. :D
22:27:31lebelliumit doesn't really work on the R0 yet either, I just want the theme to be ready in advance hehe
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22:29:22rarogLooks neat so far. :D
22:30:16rarogThough - why don't you use all the vertical space in the database browser?
22:30:38lebelliumlook here for the answer,29371.0.html
22:31:40lebelliumIt's due to the skins engine limitation but jdgordon is working on it. Hopefully sooner or later I'll be able to use all the space :)
22:32:18rarogAh ok.
22:32:20rarogWould be better.
22:33:41rarogWell, it looks neat... :D
22:34:18lebelliumthanks :)
22:34:33lebelliumonce the FM is designed I'll upload it on the Rockbox website
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22:45:54rarogGood. :)
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