#rockbox 2011-12-04

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#rockbox log for 2011-12-04

00:05:21	saratoga	whats needed to add a clip zip manual?
00:06:24	funman	the red is fixed by using −−gc-sections; why aren't we using that everywhere?
00:06:38	bluebrother^	saratoga: does the manual build?
00:06:56	saratoga	no idea, just wondering whats actually different
00:07:03	saratoga	i guess the buttons need changing from the clip+\
00:07:21	funman	screenshots
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00:07:58	bluebrother^	ah right, the clip zip is the only one with 96x96px screen, right?
00:08:11	funman	yep
00:08:48	bluebrother^	though it's not necessary to have screenshots initially. The manual will happily replace missing images with a warning :)
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00:09:48	bluebrother^	it needs a platform file and a key mapping svg to start with.
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00:13:19	CIA-10	New commit by b0hoon (r31132): HDD6330: introduce a new button (BUTTON_TAP), based on the hardware support for gestures. From now on some things are accessible by tapping on the ...
00:15:08	CIA-10	r31132 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (b0hoon committed)
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00:16:28	b0hoon	yep. i hope that someone understands what i just wrote in the comment
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00:24:20	saratoga	b0hoon: is the HDD63x0 port reasonably stable?
00:24:42	funman	who are our linker experts?
00:25:18	b0hoon	saratoga: well yes it is stable but battery readings are not accurate yet.
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00:25:33	saratoga	perhaps it should be promoted to a stable target?
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00:26:48	b0hoon	saratoga: i would like to wait some time yet, i will take care of the power management soon
00:27:00	saratoga	ok
00:27:13	saratoga	keep in mind lots of the PP targets were stable long before they had USB or battery charging
00:31:17	b0hoon	saratoga: allright, i didn't know that. I'm thinking about the integration of the buzzer with the new code for the ipods...
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00:31:46	saratoga	its just nice to get them stable so that we start doing releases for them
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00:33:03	b0hoon	yes, it would be nice to get all these PP targets stable
00:33:59	b0hoon	i'll try to catch some YH targets maybe
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00:34:27	saratoga	yeah
00:34:46	saratoga	i don't know what the status of half of those are, but i thought a lot of them had advanced ports
00:35:05	saratoga	would be nice to get them sorted out
00:35:35	saratoga	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetClassifications
00:36:01	saratoga	so basically install directions, official bootloader, manual and reasonable functioning port and it should be marked stable
00:36:26	b0hoon	i think that the only missing thing is the radio for YH-920 and the manual for all of them
00:37:10	b0hoon	yes and the bootloaders
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00:52:24	jhMikeS	what's really missing on sa9200 for stable?
00:55:27	b0hoon	i don't know, i have this one but in pieces
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01:03:12	jhMikeS	I finished-off the missing bits 10 months ago, like artwork. A proper cabbie was added, some touchpad details tweaked, enabled plugins, created a PP bootloader USB mode and fixed some bugs.
01:03:14	CIA-10	New commit by pamaury (r31133): fuze+: fix seeking forward/backward keymap, don't know why it was wrong in the first place
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01:05:01	CIA-10	r31133 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (pamaury committed)
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01:06:32	saratoga	jhMikeS: no manual though right?
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01:07:45	jhMikeS	saratoga: nope. didn't do that. :)
01:07:54	saratoga	so really its just missing that
01:08:20	*	jhMikeS isn't the biggest manual guy in the crew
01:08:37	saratoga	MPIO looks like its pretty close to stable as well
01:08:42	saratoga	even has a manual
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01:09:52	b0hoon	writing a manual is so tedious, bleh...
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01:11:07	saratoga	i'm not sure whats involved with the manuals to be honest, i've only tweaked them
01:13:19	low_light	b0hoon: I have all the yh's and recently got the yh920 radio working reliably. I'll try to commit the work this week.
01:13:59	low_light	I also need to get recording working.
01:14:33	CIA-10	New commit by funman (r31134): Clip Zip manual: add platform file
01:14:39	b0hoon	low_light: wow, sounds great :)
01:14:53	low_light	The yh820 needs a Cabbie port
01:15:23	funman	'make manual' output is a mess
01:15:38	funman	it uselessly hides the actual errors
01:15:59	CIA-10	r31134 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (funman committed)
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01:16:27	b0hoon	low_light: isn't it a 160x128x16 lcd?
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01:18:10	b0hoon	ah it's not
01:18:14	low_light	b0hoon: don't know off hand without looking at the config file
01:18:41	b0hoon	128x96x16
01:18:50	saratoga	should probably add that to the theme site as well
01:22:57	b0hoon	low_light: i would like to ask you about some disassembly stuff (PP), but now i have to go, will it be ok to send you an email with my questions?
01:23:54	low_light	b0hoon, jhMikeS: I think the hdd6330 and the sa9200 have the same/similar versions of the synaptics touchpad. Might be nice to unify features the drivers so they have the same features.
01:24:24	low_light	err, unify the drivers to have the same features
01:24:53	jhMikeS	I hadn't realized more than one of those existed
01:25:01	low_light	b0hoon: fine to email me
01:26:34	b0hoon	low_light: yep true but honestly i don't know how to start, synaptics driver is in a big mess
01:26:47	b0hoon	low_light: ok, thanks
01:26:58	jhMikeS	where's the hdd6330 driver? the other is in firmware/drivers
01:27:44	b0hoon	jhMikeS: firmware/drivers/synaptics-mep.c or something
01:28:36	jhMikeS	looks like someone did it
01:28:44	low_light	jhMikeS: the philips hdd's, sa9200, and mrobe100 all use the synaptics-mep driver. But the touchpads are different versions and support different features (like tap, etc)
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01:28:59	b0hoon	it's for the hdd6330, hdd1630, mrobe100, vibe500, sa9200 :)
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01:42:34	*	Strife89 notices that the .voice files have changed. When did that happen?
01:42:44	b0hoon	jhMikeS: i tried to avoid the ifdefs as much as possible, but the problem is every touchpad is slightly different and the communication layers were mixed already in it.
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02:05:58	*	lxs-makot0 wonders why the "release" for the sansa fuze has an annoying issue where its always throwing prefetch abouts, yet the current build which is meant to be more unstable, actually works better.
02:06:45	gevaerts	lxs-makot0: I'm not aware of other people having such issues
02:09:58	lxs-makot0	hmm. it hapened to me about 3 times with the release.
02:10:22	lxs-makot0	and it was always when making a button input whilst playing music.
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02:12:02	lxs-makot0	i'll stick the release on it again tomorrow and see if i can reproduce it, but for now im going to have to go to bed as its a bad idea to sysadmin tired.
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09:24:17	CIA-10	New commit by desowin (r31135): Sansa Connect: Add TPS65021 (Power Management) driver.
09:26:05	CIA-10	r31135 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (desowin committed)
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09:42:37	wodz	desowin_: ping
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10:24:50	desowin_	wodz: pong
10:26:44	wodz	desowin_: What is the point of implementing driver that do not expose any specialized function actually?
10:27:22	desowin_	wodz: it's stub
10:27:33	wodz	desowin_: I mean TPS65021 driver expose only _init() which is target specific and should be in target tree instead
10:27:53	wodz	the way it is now only introduce ifdef hell
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10:28:40	Buschel	current svn did not compile for me when building win32 sim (nano2g) with test plugins enabled
10:30:13	desowin_	wodz: hm, I could move that to target tree, but seriously, I don't know if later there won't be some extra stuff in there
10:31:11	Buschel	hmm, I cannot create a makefile for win32 anymore... (../tools/configure)
10:31:26	wodz	desowin_: What kind of extra stuff? If all it does is wrapping around i2c transfer than it is not worth to do external driver
10:32:31	wodz	anyway power management is so target specific that I wouldn't expect any other target to reuse the code anyway
10:32:53	desowin_	wodz: the chip has status monitoring
10:34:58	lovasoa	kugel: Why didn't you add SAMSUNG_YPR0_PAD to firmware/export/config.h? Was it on purpose?
10:35:38	wodz	desowin_: what kind of monitoring? Is it again single i2c transfer?
10:36:28	desowin_	wodz: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/SansaConnect/TPS65021.pdf page 31
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10:38:25	wodz	desowin_: speaking other way round - if this driver would expose some higher level functions easily understandable like tps65021_setup_ldo0(), tps65021_setup_pwm() and you use this in target specific pwmgmt file I wouldn't object
10:38:57	wodz	currently it is UGLY hack IMO not worth polluting our tree
10:41:16	wodz	And looking at datasheet it would be again simple wrapper around i2c read from reg. Interpretation will be target specific, and this data is of little use other then debugging
10:41:59	desowin_	okay
10:44:41	Buschel	ok, now I can compile sim again. the win32 sim is not building w/ and w/o test plugins
10:44:59	Buschel	undefined reference to '_lcd_blit_yuv'
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10:48:15	CIA-10	New commit by desowin (r31136): Power management is to be kept in target tree due to being target specific.
10:50:02	kugel	lovasoa: no. just the previous patch didnt have too
10:50:11	CIA-10	r31136 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (desowin committed)
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11:04:23	lovasoa	kugel: Do you know why rockbox refuses to compile with the -O flag on the YPR0?
11:06:33	wodz	lovasoa: IIRC optimization is needed in some rb kernel functions
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11:39:35	bluebrother^	Bagder: I've made new Rockbox Utility release builds for Linux. Can you push them to the download server please? http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-releases/1.2.11/
11:39:52	bluebrother^	those should fix the text appears as boxes issue (related to my Qt build)
11:40:17	*	bluebrother^ wonders why there is no icon showing up on F16 live 64bit
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11:53:03	bluebrother^	hopefully this isn't yet another Qt build related issue :o
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12:22:09	kugel	lovasoa: no
12:22:27	kugel	jhMikeS: what do you do against audible clicks before starting playback?
12:43:00	kugel	ah, miscalculated size of silence
12:55:07	bluebrother^	is the will-become-the-official-one git repository available for cloning yet?
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13:26:59	kugel	perfectdrug: hey :)
13:27:15	kugel	we're in need of a few more svgs :)
13:28:16	perfectdrug	hey:) so did someone already do the svg images og the gogear sa 9200 and the sansa clip zip? because at the current build page there are already thumbnails but I can't find the files for it in svn.
13:29:40	kugel	those aren't SVGs, but pngs downscaled from press "fotos"
13:30:52	perfectdrug	ah okay don't want to do the work twice in case of pixelma already started or something
13:31:23	Bagder	bluebrother^: done!
13:31:57	gevaerts	Any language experts around? I think the Italian translation in the 3.10 branch is out of date, but there have been some changes to languages between branching and the trunk commit and I'm not sure about how to backport this
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13:32:45	perfectdrug	do I see it right that we need clip zip, complete sa 9200, and also sansa connect? something else?
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13:33:19	perfectdrug	svg images that is
13:33:42	gevaerts	Also, can people who happen to have 3.10RC installed try screendumps? I get a stack overflow on x5, but I'd like to know how general the problem is
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13:37:21	pamaury	perfectdrug: you have the svg man ?
13:37:29	pamaury	*you are
13:40:20	pamaury	I think there was a consensus that we needed a svg image for the fuze+, I don't remember why :)
13:42:25	gevaerts	pamaury: do we have one?
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13:45:33	bertrik	Torne, do you know more about the git mirror ? It appears it stopped getting updates for a few days now
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13:48:08	perfectdrug	pamaury: ok I try to do it, the player looks nice
13:52:42	bertrik	can we just use graphics from sandisk promo material? I'd think we'd need a proper license for that, or do the work ourselves
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13:53:51	gevaerts	As far as I know we're not doing that
13:54:15	gevaerts	The images were drawn based on press photos, but they aren't press images
13:54:58	bertrik	Who made them, and how?
13:55:02	jhMikeS	kugel: audible clicks?
13:55:37	gevaerts	bertrik: desowin did the connect. I don't know about the clip zip right now
13:57:00	bluebrother^	Bagder: thanks!
13:57:14	perfectdrug	I didn't see any svg for the connect, kugel said that are downscaled press images
13:58:03	perfectdrug	we usally draw them as vector in inkscape or pixelma used corel i think
13:58:55	kugel	jhMikeS: yea. I got it fixed
13:59:13	kugel	jhMikeS: another thing. pcm_play_lock() seems to be called recursively
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14:00:26	kugel	gevaerts: dfkt said he used press material directy
14:00:45	dfkt	indeed
14:00:59	gevaerts	How directly?
14:01:15	kugel	file->save as :)
14:01:40	kugel	+ downscaling I guess
14:01:47	perfectdrug	the thumbnail was already there from svg for sa 9200 so no need for using press material
14:02:00	dfkt	removed the backgrounds, resized, sharpened, put the rockbox logo on the screen, saved as png
14:02:59	jhMikeS	kugel: It calls itself? where?
14:03:23	perfectdrug	http://www.rockbox.org/playerpics/gogearsa9200-small.png but something doesn't seem to be right with the display if you zoom into it
14:03:40	jhMikeS	kugel: It is called in a nested way, yes
14:04:00	kugel	jhMikeS: that sucks
14:04:02	gevaerts	I'm not sure if that's clean enough, but we want svg anyway so if it's a problem it should be resolved soon
14:04:07	jhMikeS	kugel: why?
14:04:11	kugel	how can I implement locking if the callback is a signal handler?
14:05:09	kugel	cant use mutex here IIUC
14:06:17	jhMikeS	seems you can mask them
14:06:18	kugel	oh wait, mutex should work
14:10:43	kugel	hm, not sure
14:12:07	jhMikeS	signprocmask?
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14:12:22	jhMikeS	*sigprocmask
14:16:41	kugel	jhMikeS: I can remove the unregister the callback through alsa
14:17:04	kugel	yay for undocumented functions
14:18:03	jhMikeS	what happens if audio needs more data while there's a lockout?
14:18:33	kugel	no that doesnt appear to work
14:18:43	kugel	jhMikeS: don't know
14:19:09	kugel	I think I just don't implement locking. SDL also doesnt implement it for their alsa backend
14:19:46	jhMikeS	afaict sigprocmask is supposed to work much like an interrupt mask and the pending signal is sent after unmasking
14:20:08	kugel	yes, but it's not documented that it's a signal handler, nor which signal
14:21:03	jhMikeS	SDL seems to use a thread and mutex unless built without threading
14:21:55	kugel	i looked at the source, LockAudio isnt implemented for alsa
14:23:15	jhMikeS	alsa docs mention SIGIO for asynchronous notification
14:23:59	kugel	where?
14:24:20	jhMikeS	http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm.html
14:25:11	kugel	ah there
14:25:26	jhMikeS	of course I've not gone deeply into it, I'm just looking for anything that sounds interestingly related
14:29:16	pamaury	can we release a fuze+ bootloader ? what is the procedure ?
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14:35:16	jhMikeS	does it get SDL_(Un)LockAudio_Default instead?
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14:41:37	kugel	jhMikeS: yes, I didnt look proerly
14:41:58	kugel	jhMikeS: when playing back and entering recording, I get the callback even though sigprocmask
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14:45:09	bertrik	funman, I suppose you have tried to play back some video files on the clip zip yet?
14:46:12	kugel	jhMikeS: pcm_play_lock is called
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15:14:43	*	jhMikeS wonders where to start a file to include common inlines like clip_sample_16 that can be cpu optimized and accessed by firmware and apps
15:14:58	bluebrother	what do people think about compiling empty files? I'm considering to always compile the windows and linux specific files for sansapatcher and making them empty using preprocessor checks
15:15:38	bluebrother	that would make it much easier for a libsansapatcher, since I can then rely on the compiler to do the right thing instead of handing the split myself in the Makefile as well
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15:16:00	bluebrother	(especially since I would need to detect cross compiling as well, since I want to be able to do that for Rockbox Utility)
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15:18:03	wodz	bluebrother: you mean that when compiling for windows linux specific files will result empty after preprocessor?
15:18:23	bluebrother	wodz: yes.
15:18:23	kugel	bluebrother: I think it does hardly matter :)
15:18:37	wodz	bluebrother: I see no problem
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15:39:54	lebellium	any Samsung R0/Sansa Fuze+/Toshiba Gigabeat owner willing to try and check my theme before I upload it on the website?
15:41:03	pamaury	lebellium: I can try your theme
15:41:26	bluebrother	lebellium: I can try on the beast, but only in an hour or so −− don't have access to the device this moment
15:41:53	pamaury	lebellium: where can I find it ?
15:42:07	lebellium	I give a link here in some minutes :)
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15:49:49	lebellium	paumary and bluebrother : lebellium/R0/Rockbox/lebellium_Samsung-like_v0.90.zip">http://media.generationmp3.com/lebellium/R0/Rockbox/lebellium_Samsung-like_v0.90.zip
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15:52:50	lebellium	lovasoa : if you have time, please try my theme lebellium/R0/Rockbox/lebellium_Samsung-like_v0.90.zip">http://media.generationmp3.com/lebellium/R0/Rockbox/lebellium_Samsung-like_v0.90.zip
15:53:32	pamaury	lebellium: first impression: loading it is a miserable failure, I had to reboot in order to get something working
15:53:50	pamaury	I doubt it's related to your theme though
15:54:02	lebellium	what device? Fuze+ ? Works fine on my R0 and in the Fuze+ UI simulator
15:54:22	pamaury	on the fuze+ hardware when I loaded it, some parts of the screen stayed black
15:54:48	pamaury	it's a really nice theme
15:55:01	pamaury	I like the playing title bar in the main menu
15:55:21	pamaury	I can't test the radio screen if there is one, radio is not working
15:55:37	lebellium	Thx. I think your issue either comes from the still unstable RB port or from my complex and ugly theme code^^
15:56:25	pamaury	don't think it comes from the fuze+ code, that would be strange. Is that expected that there is no album art ?
15:57:01	lebellium	for the album art on the WPS you may need to initialize the database, I don't know why....
15:57:59	pamaury	my mistake, I thought I had it for an album and in fact not; great work :)
15:58:34	bluebrother	hmpf, seems I need to handle the included bootloader files for sansapatcher :(
15:58:38	lebellium	When there is no album art in tags or as cover.jpg/folder/jpg, you should see a vinyle picture
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16:00:08	pamaury	lebellium: I don't know if it's related to your theme but since the main menu takes like one second to load, I have a big black square in the middle of the screen while loading
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16:01:30	lebellium	pamaury: I don't have this issue in the Fuze+ simulator and on my R0 hum
16:01:48	pamaury	on the simulator that's to be expected, the loading is fast
16:03:09	lebellium	indeed you're right. But it's still very fast to load on my R0 hardware. The Fuze+ should have a good enough firmware to load a theme like that. Maybe a lack of optimization in the RB port?
16:03:24	lebellium	hardware* not firmware
16:05:14	pamaury	I haven't profiled the boot to check but either way, loading will never be instant
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16:05:57	lebellium	and I have the FM screen in the Fuze UI simulator. I assume you could get it on your device. Maybe it's just disabled in the SVN because the radio doesn't work yet
16:06:52	pamaury	no, I can't make the radio work for now, that's still a mystery
16:07:01	SynrG	is there any way to make the pitch detector actually useful? :)
16:07:10	pamaury	with our current (buggy) driver, it will just hang
16:07:19	SynrG	using sansa fuze, i didn't get good results, even with much fiddling with settings
16:07:31	SynrG	(trying to calibrate against a guitar)
16:08:13	lebellium	pamaury: ah ok... anyways, once the radio works, you'll see that : lebellium/R0/Rockbox/dump%20111204-160718.bmp">http://media.generationmp3.com/lebellium/R0/Rockbox/dump%20111204-160718.bmp :)
16:08:27	pamaury	ok, nice
16:09:34	lebellium	I have the FM screen on my R0 but the radio doesn't work either , I can just change the frequency but no sound. That means there is no 240*320 target with working FM radio yet :D
16:10:11	pamaury	lebellium: apparently, from bootchart, it's settings_apply_skins which is slow
16:10:52	pamaury	part of it might be that the fuze+ is not running at top speed currently but even then, it will take some noticable time I think
16:10:55	kugel	lebellium: well, radio doesnt work yet does it?
16:11:53	lebellium	kugel: the radio doesn't work yet but the FM screen does thanks to Lorenzo. That means I can change frequency manually but no sound, no signal strengh, no tuned status etc
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16:16:32	lebellium	pamaury: I don't know what "settings_apply_skins" is. I don't have any RB technical skills. I can just make themes :p
16:16:32	kugel	ugh, supporting timer_register etc seems horrible on RaaA
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16:17:54	bertrik	I'll have a look at it
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16:21:37	bertrik	what is your real name again?
16:21:59	lovasoa	lebellium: OK, I'll try it this evening. I don't have my cable yet...
16:22:05	mshathlonxp	my?
16:22:23	bertrik	mshathlonxp, yes yours
16:22:53	mshathlonxp	it's written in beginning of that lang file ;)
16:27:08	bertrik	ok, I'll commit it later tonight (don't have my SVN login details with me now)
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17:22:22	*	gevaerts is annoyed
17:23:25	gevaerts	I get a stack overflow on the usb thread when making a screendump on x5 from the WPS, but not from the main menu
17:24:16	*	gevaerts doesn't understand how this can happen
17:24:38	n1s	does the screendump code run in the ui thread?
17:24:43	gevaerts	no
17:24:47	n1s	hmm
17:24:52	gevaerts	It runs from the usb thread
17:25:31	jhMikeS	gevaerts: There's a FS task for that and I think the USB stack size needs a bit of a bump up
17:26:06	gevaerts	jhMikeS: yes, but how much?
17:26:08	jhMikeS	there were some fat changes that used a bit more stack
17:26:34	jhMikeS	not sure. it's close to full on i.MX31 but looks like it just goes over on some others
17:26:34	gevaerts	And why does the WPS make a difference?
17:27:16	n1s	does it really need to do a full line at a time
17:27:29	*	jhMikeS 's brain ignored that bit...oops, that is odd
17:27:41	gevaerts	n1s: probably not, but rewriting that is not an option for 3.10 I think :)
17:27:57	n1s	true
17:28:52	jhMikeS	perhaps event handlers?
17:28:54	gevaerts	97% usb stack used after taking a screenshot from the main menu
17:29:17	jhMikeS	it is a bit too close, yes
17:31:15	gevaerts	h120 overflows in the main menu
17:36:14	gevaerts	Stack size is 0x400 bytes + the number of bytes needed for a line
17:37:50	gevaerts	It used to be that plus one sector (for FAT), but [7] removed that in r29445 while removing sectors on stack in fat.c
17:38:57	[7]	hm, 1K might just a bit too little for that
17:39:32	[7]	might be*
17:39:44	gevaerts	Maybe we should make that 2*DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + DUMP_BMP_LINESIZE?
17:39:56	gevaerts	That adds 1K
17:40:03	[7]	what do you consider better? 2*DEFAULT or DEFAULT+0x400?
17:40:19	gevaerts	Good question :)
17:40:22	[7]	we might also want to check where the allocation peak actually is
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17:42:31	gevaerts	Where does the ATA driver run the ata idle callbacks from?
17:42:42	[7]	from the ata thread IIRC
17:42:56	[7]	at least on the targets that I maintain
17:43:21	gevaerts	for ata.c, apparently the ata thread or ata_sleepnow()
17:44:23	gevaerts	ata_sleepnow() isn't called from anywhere interesting
17:45:09	gevaerts	I think I'll do + 0x400 for 3.10
17:55:24	gevaerts	h120 uses 68% of a 0x850 byte stack
17:59:28	[7]	so there was a ~350 byte overflow?
17:59:40	*	[7] wonders since when this is broken
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18:00:24	[7]	can that really stay unnoticed for more than 1700 revisions?
18:01:43	gevaerts	Stack usage on the x5 is nearly the same on x5 and h120, even though one is colour and the other one isn't (which is a 240 byte difference in bmp line size). That seems to indicate that the overflow is not in the bit that actually makes the bmp
18:02:24	gevaerts	And yes, that really does stay unnoticed. Most people run stable releases these days
18:04:11	gevaerts	Similar numbers on gigabeat f
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18:04:59	CIA-10	New commit by gevaerts (r31139): Add 1K to the usb stack to prevent overflow in screendump mode
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18:06:47	gevaerts	Should I also do this on trunk, or does anyone feel like finding the actual problem soon?
18:07:27	gevaerts	[7]: could you check this on nano2g? I'd like to make sure this isn't related to sector size...
18:07:40	[7]	sure
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18:08:08	[7]	trying with r30904
18:08:40	[7]	95% usage after screendump in main menu
18:09:15	*	[7] wonders what's the easiest way to get at a memory dump of that
18:10:03	gevaerts	ok, so that looks similar to other targets, i.e. no sector in there
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18:10:16	[7]	yeah, i'm pretty sure I got rid of those :)
18:11:21	*	[7] guesses the easiest way to catch it is to reduce the stack size by a couple of bytes until it crashes and then take a memory snapshot
18:12:24	gevaerts	The problem is that the stack overflow panic isn't synchronous
18:12:38	gevaerts	But yes, in this case that probably works
18:12:42	[7]	but probably close enough to figure out who owns that peak
18:13:09	gevaerts	Nothing else should be happening in that thread around that time, so yes
18:15:07	gevaerts	hm, the remote screendump still allocates too much for the filename
18:17:46	CIA-10	New commit by gevaerts (r31140): Reduce stack allocation for remote screendump. The screendump filename is generated and known, so we don't need MAX_PATH.
18:18:53	CIA-10	New commit by gevaerts (r31141): Backport r31140: Reduce stack allocation for remote screendump. The screendump filename is generated and known, so we don't need MAX_PATH.
18:19:23	CIA-10	r31140 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (gevaerts committed)
18:20:01	*	[7] wonders if gevaerts wants to silence that build as suggested on the ML
18:20:34	*	gevaerts remembers that he was going to reply to that
18:22:05	gevaerts	[7]: I wanted to give people a day or so to reply to that mail
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18:26:43	*	[7] wonders if -ffunction-sections and −−gc-sections could possibly fix it, or rather delay it :)
18:27:26	gevaerts	dreamlayers looked at that
18:27:51	gevaerts	They do gain a bit, but not enough to "save" the 8MB recorder
18:28:15	wodz	he was looking with newer gcc isn't he?
18:28:59	gevaerts	I think he tried with a newer gcc and with the current one
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18:34:01	*	[7] wonders why the postmortem dumper doesn't work any more
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18:35:36	[7]	this isn't particularly helpful...
18:36:53	TheLemonMan	lebellium, ping
18:38:10	*	[7] wonders why there's a buflib allocation that's called "test"
18:38:47	kugel	you can free it to test moving
18:40:30	lebellium	TheLemonMan: yes?
18:42:03	TheLemonMan	oh, nothing heh
18:42:21	TheLemonMan	i fucked up my q2 with an handmade kernel but recovered it
18:42:53	TheLemonMan	you may add in your unbrick guide that uploading the updater.sb with my tools is enough too
18:43:06	TheLemonMan	and it works on linux/mac and windows too
18:45:29	lebellium	TheLemonMan: I'm too lazy to update this tutorial now, I've worked 2 full days on my 240*320 theme for RB. I hope I will see it on the Q2 sooner or later ;)
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18:46:36	TheLemonMan	maybe ill port rockbox as an sdl app here too
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18:49:10	lebellium	great !
18:49:17	lebellium	could be an easier solution
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18:51:30	kugel	TheLemonMan: better without sdl
18:51:31	*	bluebrother wonders why this malloc fails :/
18:52:07	TheLemonMan	even better, i just need a skeleton to start from
18:52:32	kugel	there will be one once the R0 port is in
18:53:20	TheLemonMan	so, i just need to write the driver backend and thats it, right ?
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19:02:38	TheLemonMan	also, i fear there will be some abi incompatibility between the kernel and the compiler used by rockbox
19:04:13	[7]	phew
19:04:19	*	[7] finally managed to capture a dump
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19:08:34	[7]	gevaerts: seems like the usage peak is somewhere inside the FTL
19:08:48	gevaerts	hm
19:09:09	gevaerts	So by extension probably somewhere in ata.c for the targets I tested on
19:10:08	gevaerts	Which seems to imply it's something in fat.c
19:11:11	[7]	from what i can tell it's inside update_fsinfo()
19:12:07	[7]	or possibly before that...
19:12:50	[7]	i would need to catch the very moment where it overflows... hm, this would need instrumentation
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19:16:53	bluebrother	hmm. Writing a c200 firmware to a e200 doesn't sound like a good idea, does it?
19:19:44	CIA-10	New commit by jethead71 (r31142): Collect the 16-bit signed range sample clipping routines scattered about, which can be optimized on armv6 and create firmware/export/dsp-util.h (for ...
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19:21:04	gevaerts	bluebrother: possibly not, no
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19:25:01	bluebrother	maybe sansapatcher should check that and error out ...
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19:30:58	[7]	dammit. our usb code must be leaving the usb controller in a state during screendump in which the postmortem dumper doesn't work
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19:31:57	lorenzo92	I was wondering why virtual keyboard has NO background image here on the R0, while gigabeat fx seem to have it (I've seen that in the manual)
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19:45:48	[7]	dammit
19:46:00	[7]	no matter what i do, the usb dumper won't work if called from that location
19:47:09	funman	bertrik: yes, video playback looks correct on my clip zip (wisechip display)
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19:57:46	kugelp	lorenzo92: can get your new firmware from somewhere?
19:58:40	lorenzo92	do you mean the one with /.rockbox folder at root? otherwise it has no other new things :)
19:58:48	kugelp	yea
19:58:54	lorenzo92	okay I'll upload it!
19:59:00	lorenzo92	by the way
19:59:06	lorenzo92	your build fixed DOOM
19:59:10	lorenzo92	now it finds wads
19:59:16	lorenzo92	but crashes when playing
19:59:20	kugelp	I'll post a new patch with alas sound soon
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20:00:07	lorenzo92	yeah great
20:00:17	Buschel	funman: the latest lcd_yuv_blit changes were submitted by you?
20:00:47	funman	Buschel: which ones?
20:01:07	Buschel	funman: the introduction of the weak attributes?
20:01:20	funman	yes
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20:01:48	Buschel	ok, then it would be great if you check FS #12427
20:01:48	fs-bluebot	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12427 win32 cc does not compile (undefined reference 'lcd_blit_yuv') (bugs, new)
20:01:58	lorenzo92	kugel: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38710278/R0.ROM
20:02:09	kugelp	lorenzo92: not all plugins work with my patch. I removed some functionality for user timers (not on purpose) that sdl provided. perhaps doom needs that
20:02:23	lorenzo92	okay
20:02:54	lorenzo92	ah you need also the "new" starter...
20:03:06	lorenzo92	kugel: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38710278/rockbox_loader.sh
20:03:25	kugelp	I restored that but it doesn't quite work, metronome ticks too slowly
20:03:47	funman	Buschel: hm, could you try mingw-w64 (with the -m32 option or by calling i686-mingw-w64-gcc)
20:04:56	lorenzo92	kugel: just found that there are 2 useless lines in the script, just don't care about them :D
20:05:01	lorenzo92	kugel: echo "enable_lp_audio" > /sys/devices/platform/mx37_lpmode.0/lp_modes
20:06:21	kugelp	lorenzo92: btw, imo we should have everything needed to install rockbox in svn too
20:06:40	lorenzo92	yes indeed :)
20:06:46	kugelp	e.g. the repack tool etc
20:06:54	lorenzo92	ah for the rom you mean?
20:07:20	kugelp	ideally we should only depend on a stock of you can download from Samsung
20:07:24	kugelp	yes
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20:08:00	lorenzo92	samsung offers: kernel sources, busybox src, usermsc src + tools to pack new rom (unpack script was written by an user of a forum)
20:09:41	lorenzo92	kugel: basically a rom stores in "encrypted" format the following: MBoot (that's NOT flashed by an user update, only using samsung tool), ZImage, Cramfs and Sysdata
20:10:14	lorenzo92	Mboot searches in nand if R0.rom is present, if so flashes (don't know how) the components
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20:10:25	lorenzo92	to some internal memories of the IMX37
20:10:56	TheLemonMan	hrm, the makefile keeps searching rockbox/firmware/{crt0.S,i2c.c}
20:11:06	TheLemonMan	and dont seem to be there heh
20:11:56	kugelp	we really want that stuff in the wiki
20:12:43	lorenzo92	okay I will do that sooner or later :)
20:13:52	Buschel	funman: I only have i586-mingw32 installed. right now I am checking the build under cygwin
20:14:33	funman	i'll try here when i can find sdl for win32
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20:15:11	funman	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator has all the steps
20:16:51	kugelp	funman: I can send you ask later if you want
20:16:59	kugelp	sdl
20:20:58	kugelp	lorenzo92: any idea what we can do about usb?
20:21:06	funman	Buschel: i586-mingw32-gcc is 4.4 on debian sid
20:21:25	lorenzo92	kugel: well my safe mode uses a script to initialize it!
20:21:49	lorenzo92	you can find it in /etc/
20:23:25	funman	Buschel: btw what prevents us from having an automatic win32 sim build?
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20:28:39	TheLemonMan	im having such a great fun with compilers, i cant find one that works with rockbox
20:29:58	funman	TheLemonMan: use rockboxdev.sh to build all the compilers you need
20:30:19	funman	or are you porting to a new target?
20:30:37	TheLemonMan	the latter, i need a toolchain with the gnu eabi
20:34:23	funman	wow win32 sim gives loads of warnings
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20:35:38	funman	Buschel: mingw-w64 gives the same error
20:35:56	funman	gcc 4.6 an/usr/bin/ccache i686-w64-mingw32-gcc -o /home/fun/sim/rockboxui.exe /home/fun/sim/apps/action.o /home/fun/sim/apps/alarm_menu.o /home/fun/sim/apps/abrepeat.o /home/fun/sim/apps/bookmark.o /home/fun/sim/apps/debug_menu.o /home/fun/sim/apps/filetypes.o /home/fun/sim/apps/language.o /home/fun/sim/apps/main.o /home/fun/sim/apps/menu.o /home/fun/sim/apps/menus/menu_common.o /home/fun/sim/apps/menus/display_menu.o /home/fun/sim/apps/menus/theme_m
20:36:12	funman	... and binutils 2.21...
20:36:13	Buschel	btw, my cygwin build environment compiles sim w/o any issues
20:37:59	ahtmly2k	HELP: I'm planning to give my iPod Mini 1st Gen 4Gb a CompactFlash mod.. and I was wondering is there a way to install a stand-alone Rockbox system into the fresh empty CompactFlash drive without having to install the original Apple iPod OS?
20:38:54	gevaerts	ahtmly2k: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPatcher#Advanced_Rockbox_install_methods_with_ipodpatcher
20:39:22	funman	Buschel: you're running cygwin on windows, right?
20:40:00	ahtmly2k	<gevaerts> thanks i'll have a look at it..
20:40:10	Buschel	yes, that was my former build environment (which still works). I migrated to Ubuntu under VMware
20:40:39	CIA-10	New commit by bluebrother (r31143): sansapatcher: guard platform specific files. ...
20:40:45	CIA-10	New commit by bluebrother (r31144): sansapatcher: factor out handling of bundled bootloaders. ...
20:40:51	gevaerts	ahtmly2k: make sure you add some cardboard or something like that to make up for the CF card being thinner than the original drive. If you don't you might have button issues
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20:43:15	CIA-10	r31143 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (bluebrother committed)
20:43:56	funman	Buschel: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11539
20:44:23	ahtmly2k	<gevaerts> would it be better to use a sheet of cardboard or should i use the rubber/shock-absorber wrapping intended for the original MicroDrive? ..and is it to avoid button issues or to prevent the CF from sliding around the place?
20:45:23	CIA-10	r31144 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (bluebrother committed)
20:45:31	gevaerts	ahtmly2k: I'd use both. A bit of cardboard to go from 3.5mm to 5mm, and the shock absorber to keep everything in place. The problem is that (for some people) the buttons don't work reliably if there's nothing "pushing them back"
20:45:49	gevaerts	Well, unless you have a thick CF card, but those arem
20:45:51	gevaerts	t comon
20:45:54	gevaerts	*common
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20:46:34	TheLemonMan	thread.h:261: error: field 'context' has incomplete type
20:46:48	TheLemonMan	le-derp, this thing is becoming frustrating
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20:48:16	ahtmly2k	<gevaerts> got it.. i was just thinking that thanks.. oh by the way.. i read that the modding requires the CF to be "fully ATA compatible".. How does one know for sure the chosen CF is "fully ATA compatible"?
20:48:40	ahtmly2k	isn't all CF "fully ATA compatible"?
20:50:22	gevaerts	Not all of them, no. I'd expect modern ones to be though. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CFModGuide may be helpful
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20:51:39	pamaury	our code is really not clean w.r.t to sd and mmc
20:52:07	pamaury	everywhere I see assumptions about having sd or mmc but not both
20:52:08	wodz	Speaking about CFs - unfortunately this is hit&miss.
20:52:33	Lalufu	ahtmly2k: i've put a bog standard kingston 32GB CF card into my mini2g.
20:52:36	Lalufu	no problems.
20:52:48	bluebrother	thinking about the upcoming release, how about changing the logo to something including "10 years" for that release? ;-)
20:53:11	Lalufu	well, apart from dropping the thing and ruining the connector cable, but one can hardly blame the CF card for that.
20:53:20	funman	Buschel: ah lcd_blit_yuv definition is removed from the .o
20:53:54	*	bluebrother has a mini2g with a broken connector cable as well
20:54:19	Lalufu	got a replacement part on ebay for a handful of euros
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20:54:39	Lalufu	thinking of it, there's pretty little on that thing I haven't replaced yet.
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20:56:45	wodz	someone should try to solder socket to unpopulated header on mini mainboard and find out if this is jtag by chance. With some luck this would allow to find out whats wrong with our shutdown code
20:56:49	ahtmly2k	oh ok great then.. i've got this choice of a cheap 32gb CF of a local brand.. i just sent a FAQ email to them asking if their CFs are "fully ATA compatible".. hope the answer's positive.. i can't wait to get started on modding my mini..
20:57:01	funman	code, though it
20:57:01	funman	can also be used with non-function declarations. Weak symbols are
20:57:01	funman	supported for ELF targets, and also for a.out targets when using
20:57:01	DBUG	Enqueued KICK funman
20:57:01	funman	the GNU assembler and linker.
20:57:33	bluebrother	haven't found that part on ebay yet. Just broken minis which you can't be sure have that part intact
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20:59:11	funman	http://sourceware.org/binutils/docs/ld/WIN32.html mentions 'weak externals' but i'm not sure how they differ from gcc's "weak"
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21:03:46	funman	ho the function is there, but it's called "_lcd_blit_yuv._lcd_framebuffer"
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21:04:15	funman	Buschel: can you do i586-mingw32msvc-nm on lcd-16bit.o ?
21:08:29	Buschel	http://pastie.org/2965941
21:09:34	funman	not sure what's the name: _lcd_blit_yuv.something_else
21:10:20	Buschel	there's a line "w _lcd_blit_yuv"
21:12:14	funman	for arm i see W lcd_blit_yuv
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21:12:29	funman	and in info nm: On some systems, uppercase indicates that a default
21:12:29	funman	value has been specified.
21:12:42	funman	bbl
21:13:57	lovasoa	kugelp: Did you remarj=
21:14:17	lovasoa	kugelp: Did you remark that rebv
21:14:38	lovasoa	Sorry, I have problems with my keyboard
21:15:03	lovasoa	Did you remark that the reversi plugin makes the R0 crash?
21:15:31	pamaury	aaarrrgggg, I hate having to work with this SD/MMC crazyness, how the hell did we end up in this situation
21:16:51	wodz	pamaury: take a deep breath and ... fix it :-)
21:17:08	pamaury	yeah, I'm thinking about how to do this
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21:18:49	Buschel	gotta go now, see you later
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21:24:55	pamaury	why is sd.c in drivers/ ??
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21:34:14	[7]	because lots of things are in drivers/ for no apparent reason
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21:41:53	CIA-10	New commit by bertrik (r31145): FS #12424 - latvian translation update by Mārtiņš Šimis
21:43:58	CIA-10	r31145 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (bertrik committed)
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21:47:23	funman	pamaury: where should it be ?
21:48:47	pamaury	in firmware/ because i'ts a driver at all, it's related our own rockbox messy storage architecture
21:48:57	pamaury	*it's not
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21:50:20	gevaerts	bertrik: should that translation go to 3.10?
21:50:36	funman	bertrik: did you have problems with video playback on your zip?
21:50:44	bertrik	I have no idea
21:50:49	bertrik	funman, no
21:55:01	bertrik	it has strings for LANG_GLYPS, LANG_KEYCLICK_, LANG_LIST_LINE_PADDING, LANG_SHORTCUTS and SLEEP_TIMER_
21:55:55	n1s	this branch period is becomming painful
21:56:11	gevaerts	Are there ways to automatically pick relevant bits from a translation? There was a recent commit for italian, but only to trunk
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22:00:46	bertrik	phrases LANG_LIST_LINE_PADDING and the SLEEP_TIME_* need to be backported to the 3.10 branch for this language
22:01:55	funman	Buschel: ping
22:02:05	gevaerts	roght
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22:02:08	*	gevaerts tries
22:02:31	bertrik	funman, I played the 128x128 version of elephants dream, which ran fine (image is cropped). Which made me think about newer open movies we could post on the wiki as sample videos
22:03:43	bertrik	gevaerts, what are you trying? a) port only the relevant bits to 3.10? or b) port the entire diff to 3.10?
22:03:55	CIA-10	New commit by gevaerts (r31146): Merge Italian and Latvian from trunk
22:04:25	gevaerts	bertrik: I ended up applying the patch and then running genlang -u for the relevant languages
22:04:31	gevaerts	That seems to have done what I want
22:04:36	gevaerts	I hope :)
22:07:10	CIA-10	New commit by funman (r31147): Compile fix for mingw-w64 ...
22:07:14	CIA-10	New commit by funman (r31148): Don't define str(n,i)cmp(i): we don't use those
22:09:22	CIA-10	r31147 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (funman committed)
22:11:34	CIA-10	r31148 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (funman committed)
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22:13:24	funman	bertrik: yeah, perhaps not only blender videos
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22:14:55	gevaerts	Is there a way to get statistics about language completeness?
22:15:37	funman	gevaerts: http://translate.rockbox.org/
22:16:01	gevaerts	funman: that tells me about trunk
22:16:54	funman	bertrik: http://www.archive.org/details/movies
22:18:20	funman	http://www.archive.org/download/Alice_in_Wonderland_1903/Alice_in_Wonderland_1903.mpg is mpeg2 (silent)
22:19:39	saratoga	ffmpeg has a lot of test samples on their server as well
22:20:22	funman	are they fun to watch though ? :)
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22:38:05	jlbiasini	hello :) I'm trying to use backtrace and I need now to use utils/analysis/find_addr.pl but it seems that I miss a library : Can't locate String/Scanf.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./find_addr.pl line 20. Does anybody know which one?
22:39:21	funman	jlbiasini: distro?
22:39:31	jlbiasini	debian
22:39:53	funman	use packages.debian.org to search for that Scanf.pm file
22:40:08	jlbiasini	ok thks
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22:46:34	lebellium	funman: sorry I did not follow the whole discussion. Is the Alice in Wonderland movie supposed to work on Zip with r31148.
22:46:36	lebellium	?
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22:48:35	funman	lebellium: no clue, it's a mpeg2 movie so it should work on mpegplayer
22:48:51	jlbiasini	lol the only Scanf.pm that apt-file could find is in dvdrip!!! :D
22:50:14	lebellium	funman: when I start the playback the screen turns off and nothing seems to react. I have to reset it. But well that's not a big deal, I was just trying it by curiosity, I won't watch a movie on that poor screen^^
22:54:22	jlbiasini	no no Scanf.pm in debian pehraps because i'm on 64 bits?
22:54:32	gevaerts	unlikely
22:55:01	jlbiasini	then I'll go for dvdrip!
22:58:19	funman	lebellium: try a smaller version perhaps
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23:04:13	lebellium	funman: yeah with the 128*128 sample from the RB website, it works fine :)
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