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#rockbox log for 2011-12-05

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00:25:13lxs-makot0sup, is it possible to seek during song playback whilst still hearing audio output?
00:26:32saratogano
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00:29:45lxs-makot0is it in the works, or is such a feature not possible due to memory constraints?
00:30:58saratoganot sure about in the works, but its probably much easier to do now given our recent audio mixer changes
00:31:08saratogai think its just hard, not technically impossible
00:32:49lxs-makot0hmm ok. i think it would definitely be a nice feature. *writes learn to c on the endless todo list*
00:37:56funmandreamlayers: ping
00:44:55lebelliumhttp://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=iriverh10 > is it intended that there are both grey and colors themes?
00:45:22funmandoesnt the iriverh10 has a (gray) remote?
00:45:51lebelliumits the same for http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=samsungyh925
00:45:59lebelliumand the YH925 has no remote control
00:46:07lebelliumI guess there is an issue with these targets
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00:48:30funmanlebellium: ah possibly because of sorting by screen size
00:48:43funmanwe might have 2 targets with the same screen size, with one gray and one color
00:49:07lxs-makot0Iriver H10 5gb has a smaller screen than the iriver h10 20gb.
00:49:15lebelliumthe target only depends on the resolution, not the gret/color ?!!
00:49:19lebelliumgrey*
00:49:21funmani think yes
00:49:36lebelliumI'm sorry to say that but sounds stupid to me
00:50:49lebelliumI really thought both parameters are taking into account
00:50:55lebelliumtaken*
00:51:01funmanif all themes work on the target, why not?
00:51:34lebelliumI don't think many people are going to use a grey theme on a color target but why not
00:53:12lebelliumand having colors themes for iPod 4G greyscale doesn't make any sense to me either http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipod4g
00:53:21lebelliumbut indeed it definitely looks intended
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00:56:00pamauryarf, I had micro-sd nearly working on the fuze+ and now it's doesn't even init and haven't modified anything useful
00:57:48funmanlebellium: if they work on ipod4g, why not?
00:58:01funmanpamaury: heisenbug?
00:58:11pamaurylooks like ;)
00:58:30pamauryor just gotobedbug
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05:44:06keenerdSo a few months ago I was getting a huge number of crashes while listening to oggs.
05:44:58keenerdSome progress on isolating the bug: it only happens when listening to playlists of *only* oggs.
05:45:37funmankeenerd: target? how does the crash look like?
05:45:45funmanalso i assume those oggs have vorbis in them
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05:47:04keenerdYeah. It is a Sansa Fuze v2.
05:48:49keenerdCrash specifics I had written somewhere from last time...
05:49:21keenerd(It takes a while to happen and locks the player really hard. I don't like doing it on purpose.)
05:49:49funmancan't be reset without battery emptying ?
05:50:20keenerdNot quite that bad.
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05:53:38keenerdDrat, did not log the chat from last report. Give me 10-15 minutes to crash.
05:54:02funmanif you know the day where you reported, the irc logs are in the topic
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07:09:29keenerdWell, it looks like it got fixed. +1 hour and still no crash.
07:12:09keenerdI'll let it run a few more hours just in case. But thank you whoever fixed it :-)
07:19:38saratoga_i think handling of big album art was fixed recently in vorbis, might have been that
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09:04:55wodzanyone knows how arm eabi treats va_list variables?
09:11:46ukleinekwodz: IIRC they are put on the stack
09:13:02wodzI guess so but can't figure out how is this done. I mean how to branch unconditionally from asm into variable arg function
09:13:22funmanvariable args in asm??
09:13:45wodzfunman: other way around - how to call panicf() from asm?
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09:16:01funmanwrite an helper with fixed number of arguments
09:16:29wodzthat's not the soulution I am looking for
09:17:10funmanor write a call to panicf() in C and look at the asm
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09:18:14wodzI am just lookin' at dissasms of this calls in rb
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10:11:47wodzTorne: ping
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10:41:47wodzI played a bit and honestly I have not idea how to wrap around panicf() with naked function to be able to pass PC and SP before actual panicf() prologue
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10:53:24CIA-10New commit by desowin (r31149): Sansa Connect: Revise codec initialization/shutdown.
10:55:46CIA-10r31149 build result: 2 errors, 0 warnings (desowin committed)
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10:59:56CIA-10New commit by zagor (r31150): Removed Archos Recorder 8MB from commit builds.
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11:07:08wodzheh, although my mail to ML doesn't provoke much discussion it ended up in idea being picked up :-)
11:08:34Zagoryeah, there's little sense in building a handmade target nobody wants to fix
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11:38:31JdGordon480*800 is the tallest cabbie in svn right?
11:53:23kugelwodz: I dont think wrapping around panicf is needed, dont we want it in the backtrace
11:53:26kugel?
11:54:21wodzno the problem is with panicf as it is noreturn (at least thats how I understand the problem)
11:54:39kugeldoes a small inline asm work? ("mov r0, pc; mov r1, sp; b backtrace")?
11:55:03wodzfrom within panicf?
11:55:08kugelyes
11:55:20wodzI think I tried this
11:55:39kugelyea, I guess gcc doesnt save lr if it
11:55:41kugel's noreturn
11:56:07kugelcant you just remove noreturn if it's this problematic?
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12:00:17wodzmeh, I am out of luck :/ I produced hacky wrapper around panicf which passes pc, sp and the values seems sane but backtrace is empty
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12:03:46wodzprovoking data abort at the very same place works as expected :/
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12:06:50wodzI think the problem is that we want to pass sp,pc which are AFTER panicf and not before
12:08:05*wodz tries
12:11:13wodz\o/
12:11:34wodzthis is the most hacky code I ever did
12:12:08kugelshow off!
12:12:51wodzI take sp before entering panicf() and pc = __builtin_return_address(0) in panicf()
12:14:05wodzThe hack is in wrapper to catch sp before entering panicf(). The wrapper is naked function with trivial inline asm which do mov r4, sp
12:14:26wodzin actual panicf() I do register int sp asm("r4")
12:14:43wodzand this seems to work but according to gcc docs is not guaranteed
12:14:59kugelTorne's proposal sounds slightly less hacky
12:15:25kugeland should be equivalent
12:15:31wodzTorne's proposal doesn't work because panicf() is variadic
12:15:57kugelah right
12:16:14kugelthat means all params are on stack, right? also those before the format string?
12:16:24wodznop
12:16:31wodzfirst 4 are in regs
12:17:15kugelperhaps globals instead of params then?
12:17:54wodzright globals could do
12:18:14wodzI'll try
12:19:56TorneAll the variadic args should go on the stack
12:19:58Tornenot in registers
12:20:02Torneunless i forget how EABI works
12:20:40Torneso it should take the format string in r0 and the args on the stack
12:20:49Torneso it should be fine to add an extra nonvariadic arg in r1
12:22:02kugeland what about (int pc, int sp, char*fmt, ...)?
12:22:50*Torne checks the pcs
12:24:00Torneoh, hm
12:24:04Torneunfortunately no
12:24:30Torneyou could always do a macro/whatever
12:26:07*Torne suggests you get it working without the other args first, maybe :)
12:26:14Tornevoid panic(void) :)
12:27:34JdGordoncan someone pretty please make me a cabbie wps backdrop for 1024*768? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!
12:29:23wodzhttp://www.pastie.org/2968869
12:29:46wodzfrom this simple test it looks like params to variadic function ARE passed in regs
12:30:23Tornewodz: yes, i just checked
12:32:52wodzmeh, saving SP to global freezes :P
12:35:16wodzyeah, it trashes input params because of wrapper is naked
12:36:03wodzTorne: how dangerous is to trash r4 and r5 in wrapper?
12:36:25wodzwell r4 is enough
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12:41:45LambdaCalculus37Someone's build server is still showing a bad JBR 8MB build: http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=31149;type=archosrecorder8mb
12:42:14JdGordonthere hasnt been any commits since it was disabled
12:42:30LambdaCalculus37Why is it still on the build table?
12:42:55wodzok, I think I put what I hacked onto FS - maybe some will have idea how to do this better
12:43:39LambdaCalculus37Also, can the SA9200 be added to the theme site?
12:45:16kugelLambdaCalculus37: any progress on your rockbox for ios fork?
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12:46:20JdGordonhow do i make the sdl app not install into /usr/local ?
12:46:37LambdaCalculus37kugel: Not very much. I haven't had much time to sit down and work on it, plus I'm flying blind here on iOS development.
12:47:01kugelJdGordon: −−prefix
12:47:02LambdaCalculus37kugel: When Rockbox is complied as a sim, what files are required?
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12:47:26kugelJdGordon: configure option
12:47:32LambdaCalculus37s/required/call during complie
12:48:01kugelLambdaCalculus37: just check the compile output
12:48:15*kugel isnt going to list hundreds of files :)
12:48:25LambdaCalculus37kugel: That's a lot of files. :P
12:48:29JdGordonkugel: ta
12:48:34*LambdaCalculus37 will do that later
12:48:37JdGordondoesnt seem to like symlinks though which is a bit annoying
12:49:38LambdaCalculus37Well, this is certainly different...
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12:50:09JdGordonkugel: and −−rbdir for the .rockbox directory right?
12:50:13JdGordonthat isnt working :/
12:50:57kugelyou mean the one in $HOME?
12:51:10kugelthat one is hardcoded
12:51:40wodzhow do I silence gcc warning about unused variable in wrapper function?
12:51:45JdGordonbugger
12:52:00wodz(void)fmt; doesn't seem to work
12:54:48wodznevermind I made a typo
12:57:35lorenzo92kugel: I'm adding to wiki some information about the firmware ;) btw have you something to test regarding alsa? :)
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13:07:25CIA-10New commit by jdgordon (r31151): Try $RBROOT before $HOME when looking for the sdl apps rockbox root dir
13:09:18CIA-10r31151 build result: All green
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13:21:21wodzTorne, kugel, dremlayers, other bright ARM guys: FS #12302
13:21:23fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12302 Add backtrace to the panic screen on ARM (patches, new)
13:26:19kugelwodz: remove that PLATFORM_NATIVE and I'll try on RaaA :)
13:33:31kugelwodz: what's .get_sp.c.swp?
13:33:58gevaertsLooks like someone uses vim :)
13:35:25kugelZagor, Bagder: can you rename SamsungYP to SamsungYPR0?
13:35:57wodzmeh :/
13:37:10Zagorkugel: where?
13:37:20kugelthe wiki page
13:37:53kugelunless I can do that too?
13:38:07Zagoryeah, everyone can do that. "More topic actions" at the bottom.
13:38:27kugeloh
13:39:10kugelah nice
13:39:11kugelthanks
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13:58:15wodzok, played a bit and now both data abort and panicf() produce the same, meaningful backtrace
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14:01:25kugelwodz: the compiler must not re-arrange asm volatile
14:02:11wodzbut I guess it may move the whole call down
14:05:34kugelwhich call?
14:07:15wodzasm volatile
14:08:01kugelno
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14:08:48wodzyou mean that this guaranteed that asm volatile block will be executed just after prologue?
14:08:58kugelIIUC yes
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14:10:22wodzthat would be nice
14:10:56wodzI thought it treats it like regular function call
14:11:31kugelit does without volatile
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14:23:31pamauryvolatile should prevent the compiler from doing anything but volatile has been known to be badly implemented in many compilers too :) That seems a safe use of volatile though
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15:33:51wodzis FS #12428 our resampler issue?
15:33:51fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12428 Alaising in recorded files (bugs, unconfirmed)
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15:46:30wodzI think I asked this some time ago but can't remember the answer: why do we use -O on arm instead of -Os?
15:47:03Zagorbecause we haven't released 3.10 yet :-)
15:47:55wodzshit, when is this magic date that will solve a few issues at once?
15:48:41Zagorrumors say wednesday
15:51:38wodzpamaury: Considering that backtrace() seems to be working could you come up with some symbols solution?
15:51:57pamaurywodz: on device you mean ?
15:52:02wodzpamaury: yes
15:54:34pamaurywodz: I'd like to, the question is where do we store the symbol map. There are several options we need to explore, like how do we handle plugins/codecs, how do we integrate the map in the final binary or use stripped debugging symbols, etc
15:54:46pamaury(do we compress, if yes, how)
15:55:35wodzpamaury: I would drop the compression for now
15:55:47pamauryyes, it's simpler
15:56:19wodzI would dedicate section at the end of binary for storing symbols
15:57:01wodzthe other questions I don't know
15:57:56pamauryI'll do my best to come up with one working solution, I guess it's be best starting point of a further discussion
15:58:06wodzyep
15:58:24wodzI would exclude plugins for size reason
15:58:47wodzcodecs are interesting though
15:59:29pamaurygood point, codecs might be useful because crappy files could crash codecs which are not robust enough
15:59:47pamauryand then debugging might be hard
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16:00:21wodzfor the start lets do map for main binary
16:01:20wodzmaybe codecs could have their maps attached to the .codec and magically copied by the loader?
16:02:41pamauryI'm sure we can come up with an idea for codecs, it suffice that the map comes with the codec and the header has a pointer to it
16:03:58wodzthat way plugins can be supported as well
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17:10:05jlbiasinihi all, I've identified a bug related to the Fuze+'s port could we have a category for this player along to other's one in FS?
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17:25:50funmanjlbiasini: i think not all models have a category, you can just open a bug anyway with another category
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18:34:22jlbiasinifumman: there is a category "another", I really have to look before asking. Anyway I've put it here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12429
18:35:24jlbiasiniIf there are anything more that I could test tell me!
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18:52:32BuschelFS #12429 does not look good :/
18:52:33fs-bluebothttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12429 problems reading mpc and flac format with Fuze+ (bugs, unconfirmed)
18:52:53BuschelI do not think mpc or flac are the cause for this...
18:53:11Buschelyesterday I experienced something similar on my iPod nano
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19:54:39bluebrotherhmm, that handling of platform specific sources for ipodpatcher / sansapatcher could be done in a different way as well.
19:55:21*bluebrother wonders what's better: have separate WINSOURCES / LNXSOURCES that get added later or compiling in call cases and using the preprocessor
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22:17:09lxs-makot0well, I think i officially killed my ears today. Had Sennheiser cx300s in, not much vol. The connector is non-original, metal replacement. Keys shorted onto body of the connector and onto the dock connectors ground on my Sansa, and POP, my ears were totally raped.
22:17:42*lxs-makot0 wonders why sandisk hadn't put protection into the hardware for this
22:21:02bluebrotherok, so let's see if I can get Rockbox Utility build with VS2008 ...
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22:40:36Bagderdid anyone ever actually properly look into using qemu to do a rockbox simulator ?
22:40:51n1sdon't think so
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22:41:32BagderI had it run a powerpc linux the other day, it is a really slick thing when it works
22:44:08n1sisn't the problem basically that we don't have docs for any recent player so we'd need to implement devices based on RE?
22:45:23Bagderyes
22:45:41Bagderbut it would also help with RE
22:45:56Bagderas you'd see what is read and written
22:46:12bluebrotheras in you'd try to run an OF?
22:46:21n1syes i think it would be very interesting
22:46:24Bagderbluebrother: yes
22:46:28bluebrotherindeed
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22:46:58n1sBagder: any idea how hard it would be?
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22:47:57lovasoaWhile compiling, I get : rockbox/apps/plugins/sokoban.c:1416:9: warning: unused variable ‘i’ [-Wunused-variable]
22:48:49Bagdern1s: my guess: not too hard to get code to run for a while at least, assuming we ignore screen and sound output to start with
22:49:16Bagderthe critical parts of course being registers that are read that have to contain certain values
22:49:50n1shmm, yes, faking enough of that for something to start shouldn't be too hard
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